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A Bad Sign For Karl Rove

By Judd Legum on Nov 27th, 2005 at 2:21 pm

A Bad Sign For Karl Rove

Patrick Fitzgerald’s investigation is still active and Karl Rove is still under heavy scrutiny. The AP reports:

A second Time magazine reporter has been asked to testify in the CIA leak case, this time about her discussions with Karl Rove’s attorney, a sign that prosecutors are still exploring charges against the White House aide. Viveca Novak, a reporter in Time’s Washington bureau, is cooperating with Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald…

Novak specifically has been asked to testify under oath about conversations she had with Rove attorney Robert Luskin starting in May 2004, the magazine reported.

Rove claims that any inaccuracies in his previous testimony were because “he was very busy man who simply forgot” about his conversation with Time Magazine’s Matt Cooper and other information relevant to the case. Fitzgerald clearly has his doubts about Rove’s excuse and believes Viveca Novak’s testimony can help him establish what really happened.

UPDATE:
Talk Left has an informative review of Viveca Novak’s reporting.



59 Responses to “A Bad Sign For Karl Rove”

  1. leslie says:

    Looks like Bill Kristol should re-cork the bubbly.


  2. SpudgeBoy says:

    I love the “I forgot” excuse coming from the leaders of the greatest country in the world. There are a lot of good, smart people that have photographic memories. Can’t we get them to lead the country. BTW, I wouldn’t doubt for a minute that Rove has a photograhic memory. I may hate his tactics, but he isn’t stupid.


  3. Marie says:

    People like me “forget” — but people in high places, with staffs to aid them, with records of every call and visit, with daily agendas do not forget. They remember every favor granted, every debt, every chit owed them, and every slight against them. They got where they are because they don’t forget — that excuse, whether used by Rove or by Libby doesn’t fly.


  4. Susan says:

    This is the most “forgetful” administration in history.

    Roll over Rove, we won’t forget, not never!


  5. FedUp says:

    A lot of people have gone to jail for forgetting.


  6. mima says:

    The outing of Mrs. Wilson goes all the way to the round office. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby and others discussed this.
    Busy? so buey thek deal in petty hate.


  7. Mary Poppin says:

    Rove time is coming soon. That would be a great Christmas present.


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  9. profmarcus says:

    oh, yeah, baby…! if i had my choice of one man in this criminal administration that i would like to see go down, it would be karl rove, with trickier dick a close second… rove is an evil, evil man and that he has come to occupy such a seat of power will be seen down the road as one of the most tragic chapters in this country’s history…

    http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/2005/11/rove-still-vulnerable.html


  10. Average TV Viewer says:

    Soft.
    Rove is soft.
    Woodward is soft.
    Kristol is soft.

    Soft hands. Soft morals.


  11. alton says:

    Is Viveca Novak any relation to Bob Novak?


  12. Shawn Wasson says:

  13. afterthought says:

    Ahh, the incompetence excuse. Made
    popular with right-wing whack-jobs
    by Ronnie “I didn’t know they were
    breaking the law in my basement” Reagan.
    Never really thought it should work so
    well. After all, who wants an incompetent
    running your company or country?


  14. The Debtonator says:

    I forgot MURDER was illegal. Ooopsey. My Bad.


  15. John Ferguson says:

    Not all evil men get the recompense they deserve. But, with luck, Karl Rove will.


  16. Toes says:

    Christ, the damn Novaks are all over this story.



  17. Red says:

    Great, we have a second person named Novak in this case. Like I wasn’t having a hard enough time keeping it all straight.


  18. Acksyn_JAcksyn says:

    I believe (perhaps wrongly) that Novak has a Brother whos a Preacher, and also a neo-con…Ennyhoo Perhaps another poster can fill in that Blank.
    ~~~~~~~~~
    David Addington. This name struck a Nerve when reading the article;
    http://www.guerrillanews.com/headlines/5875/Rumsfeld_Openly_Admits_Guantanamo_Torture
    Scooter Libby’s replacement David S. Addington was another torture advocate saying that the Geneva convention was obsolete and Bush was above the law. Cheney’s new chief of staff John Hannah has also been outed as the go between for bogus intelligence on Iraq from agent provocateur ‘exile groups’ and the Intelligence establishment

    When Donald Rumsfeld was asked about the force feeding of detainees at Guantanamo (Gitmo) Bay recently, a brutal practice that involves inserting tubes as wide as fingers directly through stomachs and nostrils without any anesthetic as prisoners convulse and vomit blood, Rummy replied, “I’m not a doctor.”
    Rumsfeld didn’t deny that this torture was taking place, he simply claimed ignorance of the exact nature of the procedure.
    Rumsfeld was defending his decision to bar a UN investigation of Guantanamo Bay.

    Hey Rott Rover,seems like old Rummy Caught your Memory Lapsing Illness, and your Machiavellian Sickness. –Aj


  19. Colorado Jyms says:

    Fitzmas is the best time of year. Especially when he takes down Rove and the bullying tactics of this administration. Tim Rutten wrote a great piece today about the connection between this administration and the media that is worth reading:

    http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/insight/article/0,1713,BDC_2494_4267310,00.html

    I cannot wait for Rove to get roasted. The sooner the better.


  20. Jesus Christ God of War says:

    Rove. Forgets. Right.

    And I’m Santa Claus.

    With a lame excuse like that I’m sure Fitzgerald smells a rat. A soon to be very dead rat (politically speaking).

    This is the honor and integrity that BushCo has brought to our formerly great country?


  21. the Fly-man says:

    I suggest everyone go to redstate.org and read Questions for the Wilsons. The point is Joe Wilson supposedly “made up” his story about the forged docs before the CIA even released any info on them. Well to me that’s the ticket, he didn’t make it up he was tipped off that someone , possibly ex CIA Uber Neocon Michael Ledeen was in Rome cooking them up because the Aluminum Tube story wasn’t biting with anyone. Rove is just the master of timing so it doesn’t matter if he forgot or not he just blew smoke up eveyones ass to divert attention away from the real leak story, namely someone at the Cia was ratting on the WHIG. MAYBE?


  22. the Fly-man says:

    Here is the link sorry about the delay.
    redstate.org/story/2005/11/25/15825/422


  23. Granite State Destroyer says:

    With any luck Karl Rove will follow in his mothers footsteps and end his own life, thus saving taxpayer money on incarceration and retirement.

    -GSD


  24. freedom is not free says:

    Freedom is Loose, therefore, FREEDOM is SATAN!


  25. freedom is not free says:

    Freedom is Loose, therefore, FREEDOM is SATAN!
    Read your Hate! ~HATE=EVIL!



  26. freedom is not free says:

    GENESIS CHAPTER 11

    ——————————————————————————–
    1 ¶ And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
    2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
    3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
    4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
    5 ¶ And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
    6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
    7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.
    8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
    9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.


  27. True Blue says:

    #24: GSD,

    Suicide is never funny.
    Suicide should never be wished upon anyone.

    Comments like that only make us like the ones we are fighting against.

    That said, I DO hope Fitzgerald gets these SOB’s.
    I’m afraid they’ve gotten a lot more slippery than in “Dick’s” day. I’m really afraid we won’t get anything to stick. Hell, if OJ can walk away, what does it really say about the accountability of our Judical System? Our nation?

    America is in sad times, indeed.


  28. Quit Smoking says:

    He simply forgot?

    Well that’s just great isn’t it!


  29. Andrew G. says:

    $570,000 million including Iraq. Increadible!

    What do they want the country’s balance sheet to look like, Louisiana?


  30. WaltTheMan says:

    This administration only lacks a few values – like truth, justice and the American way. That seems a bit familiar, where have I heard that before? Look up in the sky – it’s stupidman!


  31. kjlovell says:

    I have read that KKKarl never forgets anything. He never forgets people, places, events, or dirt on them.

    He was a busy man, you know doing the treason thing and masking his chimp-puppet’s stupidity. But he knows what he did….TREASON.

    This is they guy that invaded a political foe’s campaign HQ posing as an intern. Then he took letter head from this office and made fake invitations to a fundraiser and promised free beer, free food and loose women. He then distributed them to people on skid row. When the bums showed up, the media had quite a field day.

    He is a snake!!!!! and a coward, and a chickenhawk!


  32. SpudgeBoy says:

    Karl Rove planted a bug in his own office once to make it look like the opposistion party did it. It was determined that the bug was very short range, so the bug planter would have to be in Karl Rove’s office to receive the signal.


  33. Mark Marco says:

    We need Hans Blix to investigate this investigation! If there’s anything to these allegations, Hans is sure not to find anything but photographers and few fine eateries…..


  34. aztec says:

    Rove and Bush are war criminals. They use war (killing people) for domestic political ends. Afghanistan was to distract from the fact that Bush was responsible for letting 911 happen. The timing for the run-up to the Iraq War was to gain ground in the 2002 elections. Bush’s lying fear-mongering conflation of the Iraq War,911 and al Qaeda was to garner votes in 2004 since he couldn’t run on his record.

    Indicting Rove for perjury, obstruting justice or misleading federal investigators is a start. What he really deserves is to be treated as an enemy combatant in Gitmo.


  35. Christina says:

    I found this cartoon yesterday – it’s pretty funny:

    http://deadguylives.blogspot.com

    It sums up Cheney and this whole thing all the way.


  36. Average TV Viewer says:

    Suicide would be the only noble thing Rove ever did.


  37. Pablo in Mexico says:

    I love bad signs for Rove. Nothing like it in this world right now.


  38. ron says:

    And they are still funding loanes to other countries, how is that possible when you’re bancrupt yourself???!!!
    It is time to hit the streets!!!


  39. ron says:

    Terror tip for rich

    E-mails warned bigs of city attack

    By ALISON GENDAR
    DAILY NEWS POLICE BUREAU CHIEF

    Cop guards downtown Broad St. subway station Monday as New Yorkers’ nerves are frayed by terror warning.

    The city’s rich and well-connected were tipped off to last week’s subway terror threat days before average New Yorkers, the Daily News has learned.
    At least two E-mails revealing the purported plot were sent to a select crowd of business and arts executives early last week by New Yorkers who claimed to have close connections to Homeland Security and other federal officials, authorities said.

    The NYPD confirmed that it learned of the E-mails on Oct. 3 – three days before Mayor Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and the FBI went public with the threat.

    “I have just received a most disturbing call from one of my oldest friends from growing up in Washington,” one E-mail began. “He called with a very specific caution to not enter or use the New York City subway system from Oct. 7 through 10th.”

    A second E-mail sounded a similar ominous tone: “As some of you know my father works for Homeland Security, at a very high position and receives security briefings on a daily basis.

    “The only information that I can pass on is that everyone should at all costs not ride the subway for the next two weeks in major areas of NYC.”

    One of the E-mails was dated Oct. 3 with a 6:05 p.m. time stamp, about 90 minutes before Bloomberg was fully briefed on the threat, a police source said.

    The early warning infuriated several police officials, who noted that Homeland Security officials had challenged the credibility of the threat after the city and FBI warned the public.

    “We’re briefing the mayor, ratcheting up security, talking about when to go public – and Homeland Security is downplaying the whole thing while their people are telling friends to stay out of the subways,” a police source said. “It’s pretty bad.”

    NYPD investigators obtained copies of the E-mails on Oct. 4, as Bloomberg and Kelly were finalizing a plan to respond to the threat, and police officials gave the E-mails to the Homeland Security Department, police said.

    ‘Members of our corporate security network informed the Police Department of the E-mails’ existence days prior to any announcement of the threat,” NYPD Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne said yesterday.

    Homeland Security officials confirmed that they were told about the early E-mail warnings.

    “We have looked into them, but do not consider them to be of great significance,” Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said yesterday.

    “At best, they were based on anecdotal accounts of very limited information,” he added, declining to reveal whether the feds were investigating.

    The News obtained copies of two E-mails, one with the foreboding subject line: “Alarming call from Washington.” Unsigned versions were also posted on Snopes.com, a site that examines urban legends.

    One of the E-mail senders, when reached by The News, declined comment.

    The plot, calling for terrorists to detonate bombs hidden in briefcases, suitcases or strollers, has been largely discredited since the public warning.

    Bloomberg has defended his response, arguing the city had no choice but to act on the “specific threat.” He has said he held off alerting the public until Oct.6 to give authorities time to round up suspects in Iraq.

    Originally published on October 13, 2005


  40. KillCon2006 says:

    #24: GSD,

    Suicide is never funny.
    Suicide should never be wished upon anyone.

    Comments like that only make us like the ones we are fighting against.

    That said, I DO hope Fitzgerald gets these SOB’s.
    I’m afraid they’ve gotten a lot more slippery than in “Dick’s” day. I’m really afraid we won’t get anything to stick. Hell, if OJ can walk away, what does it really say about the accountability of our Judical System? Our nation?

    America is in sad times, indeed.

    Comment by True Blue — November 27, 2005

    Suicide is just fine. It’s your life and if you what to end it, that’s your business, not the state’s. That’s freedom and self-determination for you, but it’s too good for Rove. He should be shot. As far as just being like the enemy, whatever enemy, the ones here at home or the ones elsewhere, I should hope we would be better than them, in every way. More vicious and deadly when need be. It’s the only way to win, and survive. The right IS the enemy at home. Death to them all. However they want it. As they are cowards, I expect quite a few will take the coward’s way out. Good riddance. It will save us the trouble.


  41. REVOLTED REPUBLICAN says:

    Hitler took a self-imposed dirt nap when he finally admitted to himself that all was lost. He was not alone, some of his cronies in the bunker did the same.

    The problem now is: Dumbya and his evil cronies in the bunker will never admit that they are finished, and they lack even the class of the nazi party. And they lack the stones to remove themselves and save a little face. Even Nixon looks classy next to these clowns.

    I can’t wait until they come to get them and dumbya has a melt down during the perp walk on camera.




  42. TAC says:

    “Rove claims that any inaccuracies in his previous testimony were because ‘he was very busy man who simply forgot’ about his conversation with Time Magazine’s Matt Cooper and other information relevant to the case.”

    This, coming from the TurdBiscuit who’s famous for being able to quickly recite obscure precinct polling data from years ago? I hope this lying, double-chinned Pillsbury Doughboy is raped in prison.


  43. Mr. Evil says:

    Karl (Chubby Butt) Rove forgot one other thing…. Patrick Fitzgerald won’t.


  44. Mr. Evil says:

    Rove is going to be brought down by his own arrogance. He assumes he is smarter than everyone else and therefore he can worm his way out of any adverse situation. Not to mention the fact that Bush will probably pardon him as soon as he is convicted. After all is said and done that may be so, but Bush has to still be president.


  45. Justin Passing says:

    “Karl Rove Formula”

    It goes like this.

    1) Confuse the public
    2) Create an “evil doer”
    3) Create a Righteous Savior


  46. a. says:

    I look forward to the day when honorable men and women act as leaders for the common good.


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