Fox News Host Chris Wallace Claims Bush “Never†Linked Saddam and al-Qaeda
Fox News Host Chris Wallace Claims Bush “Never†Linked Saddam and al-Qaeda
In a stunning display of historical revisionism, Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace argued this morning that President Bush never tried to link al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein:
[T]hat specific quote there where you say he couldn’t distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, he wasn’t saying that they were linked at all. He was saying one was as bad as the other, and when he said in that same answer something about that Saddam Hussein would like to use a terrorist network, he wasn’t saying that they would like to use al Qaeda. So you’re making a link there that the President never made.
Wallace focused on a single statement President Bush made on September 25, 2002. (“[Y]ou can’t distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror.â€) But that statement was part of a series of statements that intentionally and explicitly linked Saddam and al Qaeda in the lead up to war. For example, this statement by Bush on February 8, 2003:
Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in acquiring poisons and gases.
Virtually none of that was true. The administration’s hand picked weapons inspector, David Kay, concluded “We simply did not find any evidence of extensive links with Al Qaeda, or for that matter any real links at all.†But to pretend that President Bush never made an effort to link Saddam and al-Qaeda is incredibly irresponsible, even for Fox.
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.
UPDATE II: Low on the Hog catalogues all the times Bush linked Saddam and al-Qaeda.
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November 27th, 2005 at 11:12 amBushCo and his cronies are all LIARS and (most of) the public knows it.
November 27th, 2005 at 11:17 amwwallace will be along in a second to declare that Judd, myself, and anyone else he disagrees with are stupid and/or dishonest.
He will refuse to read or understand the article and claim that it just is not so.
I am willing to bet that he watches Fox news.
Z.
November 27th, 2005 at 11:23 amSay it enough, and the faithful will come! I’m nauseated.
November 27th, 2005 at 11:24 amOf course it would be impossible to connect Saddam and ANY Muslim terrorist group or Islamic thugs. Saddam never killed the Kurds with gas, never invaded Kuwait and looted the country, never murdered tens of thousands of his own people or supported Palestinian bombers by funding their families and never tried to assassinate the President of the United States. Saddam was a nice guy. A real liberal fellow, well respected by the UN and the Euroloser Union and American Leftists who profited greatly by knowing him and doing business with him.
Why would such a fine upstanding gentleman like the Butcher of Baghdad involve himself with such terrible mean and nasty terrorists? Only a real nut case would ever try and form such a connection.
November 27th, 2005 at 11:24 amI don’t even think he said they had WMD’s. When we are done looking at the reasons we went to war we are going to find out it was all becuase of Clinton. He had sex with an Intern for christ sake!
November 27th, 2005 at 11:29 amZ-
November 27th, 2005 at 11:30 amDifferent pinhead,… same tripe…………
Don’t these people get tired?
i-right-i,
You’re pathetic bible thumping pedophile.
November 27th, 2005 at 11:31 amI-RIGHT-I…
Strawman arguments…
The article points out that Saddam was linked with Al Qaeda (explicitly in at least one case) by Bush. To claim otherwise is disingenous at best, and a downright lie at worst.
Nobody (other than you) has claimed that Saddam was not involved in some nasty activities or that he had no connection with terrorists. The question is whether Bush connected Saddam with Al Qaeda (he did) and whether Fox is lying about that now (they are).
BTW I seem to remember photos of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam and I am sure that I heard that Halliburton did business with him. I guess that makes them “American Leftists” in your book.
As you are attempting to change the subject you can now safely be ignored once again.
Z.
November 27th, 2005 at 11:34 amIf this is what we have to offer ,lies and more liars where is the god and the intelligence design that supposedly crafted us all ? At the shoppinfg malls ?
November 27th, 2005 at 11:37 am“A real liberal fellow, well respected by the UN and the Euroloser Union and American Leftists who profited greatly by knowing him and doing business with him.”
IRI,
Please name the “American Leftists” that profited greatly. (In case you forget, France or Russia are not “American Leftists.”)
November 27th, 2005 at 11:44 amMore duplicity. Ho hum…
November 27th, 2005 at 11:46 am2003 State of the Union address…? Where Bush says, “Imagine those 19 terrorists armed with other weapons provided by Saddam Hussein….” ?
W?TF!
November 27th, 2005 at 11:46 amIt warms my heart how much IRI loves oppressed Muslims.
November 27th, 2005 at 11:48 amAnyone ever find nude Coulter pics?
November 27th, 2005 at 11:50 am16 ATV
November 27th, 2005 at 11:57 amEWWWWW.
Thanks for that disgusting Visual image-
Dont think I’ll be able to Eat for a Week Now –Aj =)
#5 “Butcher of Baghdad”
____
Are you referring to former BoB Saddam Hussein, or the current title-holder, George W. Bush?
November 27th, 2005 at 12:03 pmI just want express the full length of my appreciation of her writing skills, that’s all. Her beauty may be in question. My girth of gratitude is not.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:05 pmChris Wallace is making a great imitation of Armstrong Williams , next he will paint his face in Black.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:06 pmWallace is taking a page from Bush&Co. Cherry pick the one sentence you can parse in order to validate your claim; omit the numerous other statements by Bush, Cheney, Rice, Powell, Rumsfeld, et al.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:12 pmRewriting history–distortions–misleads–exaggerations–exploitations–there is no difference between Fox and Bush.
As usual, I-Right-I stops by to take a dump and expects us to wipe his/her ass.
Another Bush apologist without the capacity to experience the slightest bit of cognitive dissonance. Jeebus- isn’t life simple for people like that.
Redleg- Kicking asses and taking names since 1964.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:13 pmBush Put It in Writing!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html
For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
March 19, 2003
Presidential Letter
Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate
March 18, 2003
Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)
Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Sincerely,
GEORGE W. BUSH
November 27th, 2005 at 12:16 pmIs this unprecedented? Does the Average Fox TV Viewer not believe in the link between Saddam and Osama? And don’t they believe that in large part because of Fox?
November 27th, 2005 at 12:17 pmHow can they sustain this?
“Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early ’90s–they can only say that if they’re illiterate. This is a slam dunk.”
November 27th, 2005 at 12:17 pm– James Woolsey, CIA director under President Bill Clinton, November 2003
“The front in the war on terror is not in Iraq”
-Feingold
November 27th, 2005 at 12:22 pmWWallace,
Woolsey has a financial incentive to lie. Quit cherrypicking your quotes.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000015.html
WALTER F. ROCHE JR. HAS AN ILLUMINATING PIECE TODAY in the Los Angeles Times on the clan Woolsey — exposing some of the Iraq contract connections of Suzanne Woolsey, the former CIA Director’s wife. In January 2004, she became a director of Fluor Corporation, which has $1.6 billion in Iraq related contracts. She also serves as a director of the Institute for Defense Analyses which also has war interests, and received modest compensation for that role according to the article.
James Woolsey serves as Vice President of Booz Allen Hamilton with at least $89 million in Iraq defense contract interests. Roche’s article also points out that Suzanne Woolsey is also affiliated with Paladin Capital Group, a venture capital firm where her husband serves as a principal and director….
November 27th, 2005 at 12:26 pmcris is NO mike wallace, and neither are you wwallace. Those of us AWAKE are now the MAJORITY, twist,spin all you want, the facts still stand. The whitehouse gang lied to us all even fellow republicans.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:26 pmWhich network was Junior gonna bomb again?
November 27th, 2005 at 12:27 pmYou boys & girls down at Fox better look out, ya never know when Junior’s gonna pull another major fvck up!
Woolsey is on board with the Ne-Con artists agenda.
Slam dunk!
-GSD
November 27th, 2005 at 12:30 pmwwallace,
Woolsey is also a discredited neo-con hack. Big whoopee that he worked for Clinton. Since when did you trust anyone from the Clinton admin?
One might as well say that Jeb Bush, as the Governor of Florida, should be held accountable for 9-11 because several of the hijackers took pilot training in Florida. Or that Rummy the Dummy encouraged evil Saddam Hussein to use chem weapons on the Kurds during the Iran-Iraq war. Or that Bush let 9-11 happen on purpose- whoops- that last one IS true. LOL.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:31 pmJust were did Saddam get his chemical weapons in the first place… and who put him in power?
November 27th, 2005 at 12:36 pmRedleg is a discredited neo-nazi hack.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:46 pmIraq and al Qaeda, The Connection:
November 27th, 2005 at 12:47 pmhttp://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/152lndzv.asp
Mack is peddling anti-American conspiracy theories.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:47 pmWell that pretty much ends all debate, wwallace.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:48 pmYou win!
Average, what goes on at this website day to day is not debate, it’s paid anti-American propaganda.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:49 pm“Weakly Standhard”
November 27th, 2005 at 12:49 pmJust taking out the garbage, wwallace. When the Dems come back we’ll clean out their garbage, too. That’s what we’re really fighting for.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:52 pmwwallace,
Go to Redstate as a progressive imposter. Get yourself banned. Learn alittle about controlling the message.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:55 pmPeople people people.
There is a tie between Saddam and Iraq. The republican led government put Saddam Hussein into power in Iraq and the CIA under republican leadership trained Osama bin Laden.
wwallace,
As in the last thread, oh righteous king of stupidity, James Woosley is part of PNAC. A NeoCon workshop. It doesn’t matter that he worked under President Clinton.
That is like saying I am the head of the PR department of my company under President Bush, so therefore I am a republican. I once again bow down to your supierior stupidity. Idiot.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:57 pmI-RIgHT-I wrote, Of course it would be impossible to connect Saddam and ANY Muslim terrorist group or Islamic thugs. Saddam never killed the Kurds with gas,…
I suppose if I pointed out that Saddam and Islamicists don’t exactly see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, you probably wouldn’t understand.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:58 pm#33
I have already told you that this sentence:
“One name stood out: Lieutenant Colonel Ahmed Hikmat Shakir. The name was not spelled exactly as Carney had seen it before, but such discrepancies are common.”
Discredits the entire Weekly Standard “The Connection” story.
November 27th, 2005 at 12:58 pm#42
Don’t waste your fingers. These guys can’t seem to figure out that Saddam, a iron fisted secularist, hated Osama, a strict islamofascist. If Saddam got his hands on Osama, he would have tortured and killed him, just like he did with any extremist. That is how a dictator keeps control. He kills those who oppose him. In Osamas case, it was preaching Jihad.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:03 pmI want some of what Wallace is having … make it a double.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:04 pmA sign your tinfoil hat is on way too tight: when you say things like, “The republican led government put Saddam Hussein into power in Iraq and the CIA under republican leadership trained Osama bin Laden.”
America-haters always blame America for everything.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:06 pmplunger, like many on the left, like Osama bin Ladin, clearly hates Jews.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:07 pmYes, I need a tinfoil hat because I tell the truth that you don’t like to hear.
Sorry oh leader of the stupid people. How would you like for me to talk today. In a positive Nazi way. Or are we going to preach NeoCon talking point today.
As you being the leader of the stupid people, I demand that you tell me which talking point we should be using today. Moron.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:09 pm#48
Let’s see Osama is a religious nut bag and so are the right wingers, so therefore Osama is from the left. Good math. Keep up the good work.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:11 pmThe funniest part of the segment was Wallace claiming that, in fact, there were links to Al Qaeda and Iraq. Makes you wonder what the point of the segment was…
November 27th, 2005 at 1:11 pmMore importantly, did you watch the video wwallace? Do you find it disturbing that the MSM is lying and saying that bush never linked Saddam and Al Qaida? I mean, you spent all day yesterday preaching to us how they are linked.
So, are they linked or are they not linked?
We all vote not linked. Do you vote linked. simple question.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:13 pmI should clarify my above post. It doesn’t really make you wonder what the point of the segment was. The point of the show was to lead the American public to the conclusion that Bush did not lie about the reasons for going to war. We all know that there were no substantial links between Al Qaeda and Iraq. However, the Bush cheerleading squad must never admit that Bush said something that might be misleading, or *gasp* factually incorrect. Thus, in the same breath they state that ‘A’ both equals ‘B’ and does not equal ‘B’. It is very Orwellian. I am impressed.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:16 pmIraq and al Qaeda, The Connection:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/ Content/ Public/ Articles/ 000/ 000/ 004/ 152lndzv.asp
Comment by wwallace — November 27, 2005 @ 12:47 pm
This is your proof that Iraq and Al Qaeda were working together?
“In late February 2004, Christopher Carney made an astonishing discovery. Carney, a political science professor from Pennsylvania on leave to work at the Pentagon, was poring over a list of officers in Saddam Hussein’s much-feared security force, the Fedayeen Saddam. One name stood out: Lieutenant Colonel Ahmed Hikmat Shakir.
One name stood out: Lieutenant Colonel Ahmed Hikmat Shakir. The name was not spelled exactly as Carney had seen it before, but such discrepancies are common. Having studied the relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda for 18 months, he immediately recognized the potential significance of his find. According to a report last week in the Wall Street Journal, Shakir appears on three different lists of Fedayeen officers.”
EVEN THE AUTHOR KNOWS IT IS WEAK~!!
“The Shakir story is perhaps the government’s strongest indication that Saddam and al Qaeda may have worked together on September 11. It is far from conclusive; conceivably there were two Ahmed Hikmat Shakirs. And in itself, the evidence does not show that Saddam Hussein personally had foreknowledge of the attacks.”
November 27th, 2005 at 1:18 pm#55
“Israel is a country, not a religion.”
Exactly. Just as people who hate America aren’t anti-Christian. We have more than one religion. Israel has people of other religions. Heck there are Christians in Iraq. They aren’t all Muslim.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:30 pm#53, “We all know that there were no substantial links between Al Qaeda and Iraq. ”
“Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early ’90s–they can only say that if they’re illiterate. This is a slam dunk.”
November 27th, 2005 at 1:33 pm– James Woolsey, CIA director under President Bill Clinton, November 2003
Spudge, your anti-Semitic hate-mongering is not welcome in America.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:34 pmplunger hates Jews: “Are you concerned that Mossad seems to have played a role in the events of 9/11?”
November 27th, 2005 at 1:35 pmwwallace,
i’m sorry. i must apologize for making a hasty blanket statement. please allow me to clarify. we all know that there is no evidence to support a substantial connection between al qaeda and iraq especially with regard to the events of september the 11th, 2001. is that better?
November 27th, 2005 at 1:38 pm“Spudge, your anti-Semitic hate-mongering is not welcome in America. ”
What? Are you looney. I haven’t said anything racist against anybody. No hate speech either, except for the stuff directed at you and Bush. Are you and Bush Jews? I am pretty sure Bush is CHristian, so what does that make you?
November 27th, 2005 at 1:39 pmAnswer the question wwallace, stop trying to change the subject.
So, are they linked or are they not linked?
November 27th, 2005 at 1:39 pmwho you gonna believe, murka! Us or your lyin’ ears!
November 27th, 2005 at 1:43 pmI like Jews. I hate Israelis. It’s the old “I like Americans/Hate American foreign policy” paradox. Hmmm..
Did Kristol see the day that real men would balk at the idea of peddling his wares on the streetcorners of a sh*thole? Did he not see the day the barrel of the Democracy Gun would be aimed squarely at him?
For shame
November 27th, 2005 at 1:43 pmAs someone who has done it, let me be the first to say that it’s darn fun to rewrite history. Y’all should try it sometime.
Vote,
November 27th, 2005 at 1:44 pmPresident Gore
Are you aware that
November 27th, 2005 at 1:48 pmGREED+CORRUPTION+GAMBLING+NARCOTICS+SEX+LIES+COVETNESS+BLASEMY+DISHONOUR+DISRESPECT IS CAUSING HATE AROUND THE WORLD?
WAY TO GO FREEDOM LOVERS.
wwallace,
As a follow up to my previous post. If connections between Iraq and Al Qaeda that cannot be verified to have any substance with regard to 9/11 are the President’s basis for starting a war, then I guess Saudi Arabia is the next country on the hit list right? I mean hell, if that is our standard for invading a country then we had better start the draft because there is going to be hell to pay.
Fox’s Wallace inadvertently invalidates his position that there was a *substantial* link between Al Qaeda and Iraq with this stupid segment he did. Why make people believe the president never said there was a link when Wallace himself believes it to be factual (as he revealed at the end of the segment)?
The answer is obvious. They do not want the general public to think that the president claimed a connection when we all know that claim is tenuous at best, and even more likely, completely wrong. Therefore, they get all heated up when they see a democrat connecting the dots. After all, the president did make this connection many many times as did many people in his staff and all of it was just a bigger part of the campaign to gain support for an invasion of Iraq.
BTW, answer Spudgeboy’s question.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:53 pmCome one wwallace. You spent all day preaching, now is your time to make a stand as an individual.
So, are they linked or are they not linked?
November 27th, 2005 at 1:55 pmWhat tune will Kristol sing when his servants become his masters?
November 27th, 2005 at 2:00 pmwwallace,
The most authoritative document regarding any connections between AlQaeda and Saddam Hussein’s regime is the 9/11 Commission report.
I have posted this before, and I will re-post it for everyone’s benefit but yours since you are simply ignoring it:
The Commission’s findings bluntly contradict the central claim in The Weekly Standard article, namely that AlQaeda and Iraq “may have worked together on September 11th”. Let’s not forget the Commission members had access to a lot more information than the magazine staff. This was widely reported shortly after the Senate hearings and the publication of the report.
9/11 panel sees no link between Iraq, al-Qaida
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/
Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
Read the report from the 9/11 Commission’s web site. http://www.9-11commission.gov/
November 27th, 2005 at 2:03 pmWhat tune will Kristol sing when his masters soften the message? He’ll scream like a smashed cat. The masters will cover their ears until the animal control truck takes him away.
November 27th, 2005 at 2:05 pmwwallace,
I’m confused, so maybe you can help me understand. You appear to be claiming that there IS a link between Saddam and al-Qaeda, which condtradicts what Chris Wallace is now saying that George Bush said. So why do you hate George Bush so much? And therefore why are you such a coward and traitor? Why do you hate America so much?
I’m merely using right wing arguments to reach the conclusions in my last three questions, that is that anyone that disagrees with Bush is a coward, a traitor and hates America.
November 27th, 2005 at 2:10 pmMan, I hope Commedy Central uses this in their next Daily Show. It’s ripe with moments of stupidity.
November 27th, 2005 at 2:12 pmWhy didn’t the senator say something like “It’s embarrassing watching you make an ass out of your self, Mr. Wallace.”
November 27th, 2005 at 2:19 pmEven Bushie, had to admit they could find no connection between Al Qaeda and Hussein — of course that was WAY after we became inextricably involved in Iraq, so it didn’t make any difference — that’s when he started emphasizing the reason-du-jour for invading Iraq. Cheney continues to spew the lies, and Fox/Wallace is fulfilling their mission to herd the sheep and keep them believing in the lying bastard-in-chief.
November 27th, 2005 at 2:22 pmSheep don’t read independently – if Wallace/Fox says something, that’s all they hear.
I find it fascinating that you guys have allowed a troll to hijack the thread so effectively. Don’t get defensive when he calls you an anti-Semite. It is a common conservative tactic to conflate opposition to Likud policies with anti-Semitism. It automatically shuts down debate and puts liberals, who are traditionally much more sensitive to ethnic and racial oppression, into an instantly defensive posture. Additionally, you’ll note that whenever you address and refute one of his silly points, he just reasserts the same point. Point out that Woolsey is a PNAC neo-con and he merely repeats the Woolsey quote. This is another time-honored conservative tactic, borrowed from conservative icon Joseph Goebbels: repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Wwallace has learned his lessons well. The fact is that wwallace has no interest in winning an argument or persuading anyone. He just wants to distract everyone from the salient points: Bush lied about Hussein and al Qaeda. He is now trying to revise those lies and Fox News is aiding and abetting him.
November 27th, 2005 at 2:25 pmHey #21, cherrypicking sentences and parsing words pisses you off because it’s intruding on the master–Bill Clinton’s territory.
More response to this misguided post here:
http://environmentalrepublican.blogspot.com/2005/11/iraq-and-al-qaeda.html
November 27th, 2005 at 2:45 pmOh boy, a new troll.
Your gonna have to be really stupid to beat our champion trolls. We have I-RIGHT-I, master of racist slurs and wwallace, king of copy/paste.
Get to work Scott, you are seriously lagging at the momment.
November 27th, 2005 at 2:53 pmOh brother.
November 27th, 2005 at 2:59 pmIraq and al Qaeda, The Connection:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/ Content/ Public/ Articles/ 000/ 000/ 004/ 152lndzv.asp
Comment by wwallace
Nope, sorry Wally not good enough. We need video of Saddam either at the airport kissing Atta goodbye or George Bush has to admit that he and Saddam were involved in 9-11 together to raise the price of oil.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:03 pmChris Wallace hasn’t learned anything from his father, a true legend and a pioneer in journalism. He’s going to be just like Dubya and Frank Sinatra Jr., someone who just can’t progress in life just because he can’t
November 27th, 2005 at 3:04 pmlearn about life from their father’s.
I-RIgHT-I wrote, Of course it would be impossible to connect Saddam and ANY Muslim terrorist group or Islamic thugs. Saddam never killed the Kurds with gas,…
I suppose if I pointed out that Saddam and Islamicists don’t exactly see eye-to-eye on a lot of things, you probably wouldn’t understand.
Comment by liberal
Neither would what’s his name who posted above understand that although the US and Saddam never totally saw eye to eye we still helped him in his war against Iraq. As the Muslims say, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Kiddo, there’s nothing on your mind or the Left’s agenda I don’t understand.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:07 pmOh, and wwallace,
Spudgeboy specifically made it to you the definition of a troll which happens to be YOU!
If you can’t understand the definition of a specific word, you better go back to bed and get it on with your other Wallace friend, Chris. Maybe in a cage with bears and a new friend named Scooter.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:11 pmYeah, that I-Right-I is a real psychologist. He/she claims to know what we all think.
I-Right-I: since you’re so smart, guess which of my ass-cheeks I want you to kiss.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:13 pmPlunger
As a card carying Liberal , i think you are full of crap when you clam Mossad was behind 9/11 . You playing in the HANDS OF ALL FUNDEMALISTS , WHO ARE NEO FASCISTS and hate themselves above all .
November 27th, 2005 at 3:14 pm“The most authoritative document regarding any connections between AlQaeda and Saddam Hussein’s regime is the 9/11 Commission report.”
What utter nonsense. The 9/11 Commission report is a joke.
“Anybody who says there is no working relationship between al Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence going back to the early ’90s–they can only say that if they’re illiterate. This is a slam dunk.”
– James Woolsey, CIA director under President Bill Clinton, November 2003
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.”
November 27th, 2005 at 3:14 pm– President Bill Clinton, 1998
It’s obvious to any literate person that Chris Wallace was referrign to that one single quote, not to any and all connections bewtwen Iraq and al Qaeda generally.
So the only remaining question is, is Judd illiterate or is Judd a lying propagandist who will say anything for a buck? I suspect the latter.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:17 pmRedleg,
IRIGHTI is as much of a Psychologist or psychiatrist as Tom Cruise. Same for the trolls such as Mighty Mouth(who hasn’t had the balls to show up, yet)wwallace
or the new troll Scotttissue.
Guess that makes you, me and the rest of us Brooke Shields.
P.S. Loved that closing statement on #90.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:19 pmYeah, that I-Right-I is a real psychologist. He/she claims to know what we all think.
I-Right-I: since you’re so smart, guess which of my ass-cheeks I want you to kiss.
Comment by Redleg
What are you, ten? Let’s put it this way Jr. I know what your response is going to be before I ax the question or make the statement. That means I’m three jumps ahead of you before I ever sign on. That’s why we win and that’s why we’re better than you.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:21 pmIRIGHTI-
No one on this earth, not even Mighty AphroMouth would want to kiss your asscheeks. They probably haven’t been washed in five years or more.
Condi might want to. That’s basically her job: kissing the ass of any incompetent maniac.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:30 pmWhat utter nonsense. The 9/11 Commission report is a joke.
Comment by wwallace — November 27, 2005 @ 3:14 pm
So maybe you are privy to information that the 9/11 Commission wasn’t, or any of us here is. Would you share that information? Also, point us to authoritative sources that call the 9/11 Commission’s report “a joke”.
And your posting the Clinton quote is rather odd. Haven’t you stated all liberals lie?
November 27th, 2005 at 3:30 pmSo the only remaining question is, is Judd illiterate or is Judd a lying propagandist who will say anything for a buck? I suspect the latter.
Comment by wwallace
Judd is a small time paid political operator without much in the way of imagination or talent. His twists of words and manipulation of “facts” are way too obvious to anyone over the age of 40 or not educated in public schools, but I like him.
As long as he and these other Think Communist editors are able to maintain their illusion of elitist superiority they’ll stay on the job fooling nobody except the teenagers and fringe loons that make up the majority of posters on this site.
Keep that in mind and try not to make them look too bad.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:34 pmAt the time Iraq was invaded 68% of Americans thought Saddam and Osama were the same person. That kind of mistaken impression doesn’t happen by accident.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:36 pmIRIGHTI-
No one on this earth, not even Mighty AphroMouth would want to kiss your asscheeks.
Comment by JIMBO
For the love of Jesus Jim it’s Sunday. Stay off the drugs will ya? I think your reading and comprehension would improve if you’d just learn to get high on life. I said nothing about kissing somebody’s behind.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:38 pmMizzWrong, you quote white supremacist sites, and opus dei whackos, what would you know about ‘facts’, you’re clearly alergic to them. I post facts all the time,
Comment by Ryan “FMFB” Neat
Ryan, what can I say to convince you that to me you are a pimple on the ass of America. The kind of “facts” you constantly try and fool people with have no basis in reality. By the way, I’m not Catholic, have never quoted a white supremacist site and note that all the freaks from places like Stormfront and other neo-Nazi dung heaps tend to agree with you most of the time. It doesn’t surprise me though because a lot of Nazis were homosexual.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:48 pmThe gist of it is this: the White House seldom flatly stated that SH had links to AlQ an 9/11, but they did everything they could the leave that impression (hence the public’s erroneous early take on the matter).
November 27th, 2005 at 3:49 pmWhy the reticense? Well, to allow for deniability later (i.e., now) . The need for that deniability, in turn, stemmed from their gut feeling that the case was very thin from the outset.
I predict poor Ryan will engage in juvenile name-calling. :()
November 27th, 2005 at 3:49 pmGregor, When did I say Clinton lied about Iraq? Please provide evidence. You are far from trustworthy, to say the very least. :()
November 27th, 2005 at 3:50 pmIt’s a classic sign how bankrupt many conservatives are when they yell “anti-semite!” at the first mention of the word “neo-con”. They think that will end the argument.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:54 pmIt’s a classic sign how bankrupt many conservatives are when they yell “anti-semite!†at the first mention of the word “neo-conâ€. They think that will end the argument.
Comment by jason
I just call them Joooooo haters. They really love some semites. You know the ones who wear rags on their heads and tend to explode around groups of Jews.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:56 pmjason, “when they yell “anti-semite!†at the first mention of the word “neo-conâ€.”
Since that did not happen, you are a liar.
November 27th, 2005 at 3:57 pmLike I said, criticism of Israel = hatred of Jews to those of you who insist on playing the racial card. It shows how intellectually dishonest you are.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:01 pmEverything I hear about FOX, i get second hand. I turned off my TV almost 10 years ago and I haven’t missed a thing.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:03 pmHow about his closing statement about Biden not being able to back up that Cheney had oft declared Saddam to be an “imminent threat”?! They are just trying to parse their way out of hell!!
November 27th, 2005 at 4:07 pmSpudge, your anti-Semitic hate-mongering is not welcome in America.
Comment by wwallace — November 27, 2005 @ 1:34 pm
Spudge said nothing anti-semitic, so your attack was classic use of the race-card. That’s all you got.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:07 pm“I predict poor Ryan will engage in juvenile name-calling. :()
Comment by wwallace”
Now why would I do that MonkeyBoyRetard? :()
November 27th, 2005 at 4:09 pmWhackoWallace is anti-semitic, he hates arabs and palestinians, and has said so… He’s just projecting that rascism onto Spudge so he won’t have to own his own evil…
November 27th, 2005 at 4:10 pmWE AS AMERICANS MUST DO OUR UTMOST TO PROTECT THE STATE OF ISRAEL FROM THE MUSLIM HORDES. THIS DOESN’T MEAN WE LIKE JEWS. IN FACT, WE CONSIDER THEM IMMORAL. BUT THE JEWS OF THE WORLD MUST BE PRESENT IN THE PROMISED LAND IN ORDER FOR THE RAPTURE TO COME. THAT’S WHAT THIS WAR IS ABOUT. ANYONE WHO DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THIS IS WEAK AND CONFUSED AT BEST, IMMORAL AT WORST.
WEBSITES LIKE THIS ARE A DISGRACE TO AMERICA. THEY ARE PROVIDING AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY. LIBERAL LEFT-WINGERS SHOULD HANG THEIR HEADS IN SHAME.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:13 pmGregor, When did I say Clinton lied about Iraq? Please provide evidence. You are far from trustworthy, to say the very least. :()
Comment by wwallace — November 27, 2005 @ 3:50 pm
That’s a strawman argument. I asked this question: “Haven’t you stated all liberals lie?” A yes or no answer would have sufficed.
And here is evidence that you have called Democrats/liberals liars -it wasn’t hard to find:
Because an end to the liberal media monopoly is bad for liberals. Truth is the enemy of the left.
Comment by wwallace — October 27, 2005 @ 7:40 pm
The ones lying about Iraq are the Democrats.
Comment by wwallace — November 5, 2005 @ 7:55 pm
Granted, Democrats are incessant liars. I just disagree they lied about Iraq.
Comment by wwallace — November 5, 2005 @ 9:37 pm
And I was also able to find your posts where you do actually say Clinton is lying:
Bill Clinton had access to the same type of intel in the 1990s when he said Iraq was a threat to US national security. The ones lying about Iraq are the Democrats.
Comment by wwallace — November 5, 2005 @ 7:55 pm
(…) given identical statements by Clinton and Bush about the threat posed by Iraq, one is lying, the other not.
Comment by wwallace — November 5, 2005 @ 7:38 pm
As for my other question: Provide the information the 9/11 Commission did not have that makes you think their report was “a joke”. Or point us to authoritative sources that call the 9/11 Commission’s report “a joke”.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:13 pmto I-RIgHT-I and wwallace
If you are being paid to interject your slavering nonsense into legitimate blogs, I can understand that. In this republican economy, many of us have to take whatever work we can find.But if you’re doing this on your own? If this is some kind of hobby? Please accept my sincere and heartfelt advice: try to get out of the house more. Honestly, get involved in some physical activity, go out to movie theaters, try to make some friends, seek professional help if necessary. I’m worried about you.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:14 pm“Rags on their heads”. No racial stereotyping there.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:15 pmBleeding heart, they lurk around liberal websites because they are losers and nobody likes them.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:17 pmThe kind of “facts†you constantly try and fool people with have no basis in reality. Comment by I-RIgHT-I
You mean like this?:
“We know for a fact there are weapons there.” – Ari Fleischer, Jan. 9, 2003
November 27th, 2005 at 4:19 pmronald, good satire. You’ve caputered the schizophrenia that is opus dei (MizzWrong) perfectly…
November 27th, 2005 at 4:20 pm#92
“What utter nonsense. The 9/11 Commission report is a joke.”
So, you think the report that was commsioned by the Bush adminstration is a joke. What else about Bush do yo find to be a joke?
November 27th, 2005 at 4:20 pm#93
“It’s obvious to any literate person that Chris Wallace was referrign to that one single quote, not to any and all connections bewtwen Iraq and al Qaeda generally.”
So, from this post we can take it that you believe there are ties between Saddam Hussein and Al Qiada?
“So, are they linked or are they not linked?”
So, your answer to my question is “Yes” I just want you on the record when the right wing spin machine gets in full gear saying there wasn’t a connection.
Which by the way is what we have been saying all along.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:25 pmI love it when the right quotes the 9-11 commission approvingly when it suits their purposes, then call it a “joke” when it doesn’t.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:25 pm#95
“know what your response is going to be before I ax the question or make the statement. That means I’m three jumps ahead of you before I ever sign on. That’s why we win and that’s why we’re better than you.”
And you are asking other people how old they are and callin gthem Jr? I haven’t heard anything like you wrote since I drop off my twelve year old at school.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:27 pmI notice Wallace had no comeback when Levin mentioned Bush’s comments that al-Quada was an “ally” of Hussein (Mission Accomplish speech). I notice he also ignored the Feb. 2002 DIA memo that said al-Shaikh al-Libi was a fabricator.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:28 pm#100
“Judd is a small time paid political operator without much in the way of imagination or talent.”
If Judd is small time, then you must be a pissant, considerin gthe only thing you do is reply to his postigs. Moron.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:29 pmMy guess is Mike Wallace is sick to death of his sons horrific journalism practices. It was evident in the interview they had together recently. Mike Wallace disagrees with his son on almost everything his son reports. Because Chris Wallace has become a propoganda agent for the Neocons and the shamefull lying Bush regime.
Kill you corporate cablevision and get active on the internet.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:30 pmGregor, liberals lie often, but not 100% of the time. Where’s the contradiction in that? :()
November 27th, 2005 at 4:30 pmSpudge, the belief that Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism was bipartisan, before the Democrats started lying about it. See the bipartisan Iraq war resolution, comment #107.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:32 pm#109
“I predict poor Ryan will engage in juvenile name-calling. :()”
I predict you will copy/paste this in another thread and still nobody will give a shit.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:33 pmWhy do these morons keep quoting the Weekly Standard? A totally discredited GOP tool.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:34 pmC’mon guys, I’m surprised you’re not quoting Powerline and Little Green Footballs. They’re about as legitimate as the Weekly Standard.
#132, cherry-picking a few quotes out of context in no way changes the fact that there was a broad bipartisan consensus that Iraq was a threat, that Iraq had WMD, and that Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism.
The Democrats are now lying about that consensus because they care more about partisan gain than about US national security.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:35 pm#110
“Gregor, When did I say Clinton lied about Iraq? Please provide evidence. You are far from trustworthy, to say the very least. :()”
You posted a quote of Clinton saying Iraq was evil.
You said Democrats are liars. Clinton was a Democrat.
Therefore, CLinton lied about Iraq.
You are a moron.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:35 pmReally, what part was untrue? No one is saying that Saddam planned the 9/11 attack, but there is a big difference between that, and saying there were no connections with terrorists. See http://donsingleton.blogspot.com/2005/11/think-progress-blasts-chris-wallace.html (there is something wrong with your trackback)
November 27th, 2005 at 4:36 pmNo one has less credibility than Piltdown. The Weekly Standard is a great publication.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:36 pm#112
“You know the ones who wear rags on their heads and tend to explode around groups of Jews.”
That would be an anti-Semitic statement aimed at Arabs.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:36 pmIraq was a state sponsor of Palestinian terrorism. Saddam openly admitted that. That’s bad, but has nothing to do with al-Quada or 9-11.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:37 pmWeekly Standard is a hysterical neo-con rag.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:38 pmAnyone ever find nude Coulter pics?
Sorry, I’m not into guys.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:38 pmSpudge, no one claimed that Clinton lied 100% of the time. Noting the fact he assaulted many women doesn’t imply he assaulted every woman on Earth, you nitwit. :()
November 27th, 2005 at 4:39 pm#120
“WE AS AMERICANS MUST DO OUR UTMOST TO PROTECT THE STATE OF ISRAEL FROM THE MUSLIM HORDES. THIS DOESN’T MEAN WE LIKE JEWS. IN FACT, WE CONSIDER THEM IMMORAL. BUT THE JEWS OF THE WORLD MUST BE PRESENT IN THE PROMISED LAND IN ORDER FOR THE RAPTURE TO COME. THAT’S WHAT THIS WAR IS ABOUT. ANYONE WHO DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THIS IS WEAK AND CONFUSED AT BEST, IMMORAL AT WORST.
WEBSITES LIKE THIS ARE A DISGRACE TO AMERICA. THEY ARE PROVIDING AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY. LIBERAL LEFT-WINGERS SHOULD HANG THEIR HEADS IN SHAME.”
Man, that’s some crazy shit there. Heh, he said Rapture.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:39 pmjason is a hysterical neo-nazi dufus.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:40 pmwwallace, there you go again with your race baiting. Once again, you equate criticism of Israel or the term “neo-con” with hatred of Jews. Not at all the same thing. Your mind is too small to realize that I guess, you poor thing.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:42 pm#134
“Gregor, liberals lie often, but not 100% of the time. Where’s the contradiction in that? :()”
Yes, we know, they only lie when it benifits you. Retard.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:43 pmThere jason goes again with his race-baiting.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:44 pmNo, I’m only baiting fools, such as yourself. Call it fool-baiting.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:46 pmSpudge, calling me names will never change any of the facts I’ve posted.
Did you get a chance to read the bipartisan Iraq war resolution above, with all its many references to terrorism?
November 27th, 2005 at 4:46 pm#135
“Spudge, the belief that Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism was bipartisan, before the Democrats started lying about it.”
What does that have to do with Iraq and Al Qaida being connected?
I could higher a Japanese hitman to kill you.
Does that tied George Bush to the Yakuza?
So, I ask again is Saddam Hussein linked to Osama bin Laden?
November 27th, 2005 at 4:46 pmjason is obviously a racist.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:47 pm#138
“#132, cherry-picking a few quotes out of context in no way changes the fact that there was a broad bipartisan consensus that Iraq was a threat, that Iraq had WMD, and that Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism.
The Democrats are now lying about that consensus because they care more about partisan gain than about US national security.”
The only reason people believed there were any connections or WMDs is because THEY WERE LIED TO.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:47 pmwwallace, have you read the Iraq war resolution? You might notice that it says nothing about invading Iraq, indefinitely occupying it, or even overthrowing Saddam Hussein.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:49 pmLooks like poor wwallace has been caught with a case of the “The Kramdens,” if you know what we mean.LOL
November 27th, 2005 at 4:49 pmSpudge, I’ll quote again from the Iraq war resolution, since you’re obviously a slow learner:
Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;
It is interesting that you have no problem with terrorists other than al Qaeda. Are you a member of one of those organizations, or just a sympathizer?
November 27th, 2005 at 4:49 pm#146
“Spudge, no one claimed that Clinton lied 100% of the time. Noting the fact he assaulted many women doesn’t imply he assaulted every woman on Earth, you nitwit. :()”
Yes, we know, as I have already stated Clinton only lies when it benifits you.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:49 pmSpudge,
“The only reason people believed there were any connections or WMDs is because THEY WERE LIED TO.”
“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed”
— Madeline Albright, Sec. of State under President Bill Clinton, 1998
“(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983″
— Clinton National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
“Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don’t have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president.”
— Senator John Kerry, December 16, 2001
“in the post-Sept. 11 world, the unrestrained threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein is unacceptable and that his refusal to allow in inspectors is in blatant violation of the United Nations 1991 cease-fire agreement that left him in power.”
— Senator John Kerry, Sept. 6, 2002
“There is also no question that Saddam Hussein continues to pursue weapons of mass destruction, and his success can threaten both our interests in the region and our security at home.”
— Senator John Kerry, Sept. 6, 2002
“If Saddam Hussein is unwilling to bend to the international community’s already existing order, then he will have invited enforcement, even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act.”
— Senator John Kerry, Sept. 6, 2002
“In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man [Saddam Hussein] should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an uninspected 4-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them.”
“I believe the record of Saddam Hussein’s ruthless, reckless breach of international values and standards of behavior which is at the core of the cease-fire agreement, with no reach, no stretch, is cause enough for the world community to hold him accountable by use of force, if necessary. The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new.”
— Senator John Kerry, October 9, 2002
“Saddam Hussein’s regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal.”
— Senator John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
— Former Vice President Al Gore, September 2002
“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime poses a threat to his people, his neighbours and the world at large because of his biological and chemical weapons and his nuclear programme. They admitted to vast stores of biological and chemical stocks in 1995. In 1998, as the Prime Minister’s speech a few days ago made clear, even more were documented.”
— Former President Bill Clinton, October 2002
“The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow.”
— President Bill Clinton, 1998
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons”
— Senator Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
“Now, I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt,” Hillary Clinton told the Senate the day she announced her support for the war.
“There’s a very clear history and intention of not only building stockpiles and adding to what they already have of biological and chemical weaponry, but attempting to obtain nuclear capacity”
— Senator Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. . . . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:50 pm— Senator Jay Rockefeller, October 10, 2002
Iraq probably did have some chemical weapons in 1998. They were likely destroyed in Operation Desert Fox. To claim that Bush was using the same intelligence that Clinton had is disingenous, and frankly irrelevent. It was no longer applicable in 2002-2003. Pluse, Bush was getting intelligence, FALSE intellegence, from Chalabi and the INC in 2001-2003.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:52 pm#153
“Spudge, calling me names will never change any of the facts I’ve posted.
Did you get a chance to read the bipartisan Iraq war resolution above, with all its many references to terrorism?”
But since you don’t ever post facts, I will continue to call you dick lickin’ asshole.
Did you get a chance to figure out that you shouldn’t post the same retarded shit over and over?
There WAS a bipartisan resolution. I don’t need to read it as I already have. It is filled with the lies brought on by the Bush administartion.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:52 pmjason, right, the war resolution – “This joint resolution may be cited as the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq”" – was not at all about using military force against Iraq.
ROFL
November 27th, 2005 at 4:53 pm#159
“Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;”
This is based on lies. LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES
November 27th, 2005 at 4:54 pm…http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20031010.html
Welcome to “Ask the White House” —
an online interactive forum where you can submit questions to Administration Officials and friends of the White House. Visit the “Ask the White House” archives to read other discussions with White House officials.
…nice pictures…
November 27th, 2005 at 4:54 pm#161
Your copy/paste of those quotes does not impress anyone here. You could post those at a right wing site and get a cheer. But it ain’t gonna happen here.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:55 pmSpudge is having an emotional outburst, much like a spoiled toddler. That will not change the fact that there were members of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations in Iraq before the war.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:56 pmMe think there are agents provocateurs among you , setting one against the other for the benefit of this manipualitive admistration ,May be it’s karl rove and co.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:56 pm#166
Now tell me those e-mail/questions aren’t hand selected to be of the finest quality bullshit.
November 27th, 2005 at 4:57 pmjason, Bill Clinton and Al Gore didn’t think Desert Fox ended the threat from Iraq:
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
— Former Vice President Al Gore, September 2002
“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime poses a threat to his people, his neighbours and the world at large because of his biological and chemical weapons and his nuclear programme. They admitted to vast stores of biological and chemical stocks in 1995. In 1998, as the Prime Minister’s speech a few days ago made clear, even more were documented.”
— Former President Bill Clinton, October 2002
Are you calling Bill Clinton a liar? ROFL
November 27th, 2005 at 4:58 pm#168
“Spudge is having an emotional outburst, much like a spoiled toddler. That will not change the fact that there were members of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations in Iraq before the war.”
ACtually, I am having a great time making you look like a retard in real time.
As for the other part of your drivel. Give us some proof. The international community is looking for it right now. You can help save Bush’s ass. You can show the world that the Democrats are wrong and you are right. Now is your chance. Stick a pencil in your ear.
November 27th, 2005 at 5:00 pmjason, right, the war resolution – “This joint resolution may be cited as the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against Iraq— – was not at all about using military force against Iraq.
ROFL
Comment by wwallace — November 27, 2005 @ 4:53 pm
You are really a dishonest idiot, wwallace. I never said it didn’t authorize force against Iraq. We used force against Iraq in 1991 and 1998 but did not invade and occupy the country and overthrow Saddam. The resolution merely authorizes the use of force to compel Saddam to obey UN resolutions, and let weapons inspectors into his country. Bush himself said before the war that this resolution does not mean that war is “inevitable”. You are really getting into Joe McCarthy-levels of dishonesty here, wallace.
November 27th, 2005 at 5:00 pmDear God, if Chris Wallace was any stupider, he’d be able to donate organs.
November 27th, 2005 at 5:02 pmAnd, of course, Clinton and Gore never made the phony claims that Saddam had link to al-Quada.
What about al-Libi, wallace? Or curveball?
November 27th, 2005 at 5:03 pm…one does begin to understand in all this how the Germans, another educated and highly civilized people, were driven in the 1930s by a campaign of fear and lies, into supporting a policy of aggression, religious hatred and racism.. .
November 27th, 2005 at 5:05 pmInteresting how Bush and the neo-cons blame the CIA exclusively for the horribly bad intelligence, and then Bush goes and gives former head of the CIA Tenet a medal!!! That’s Bush logic for you.
November 27th, 2005 at 5:08 pmYes, rewarding incompetence ala Brownie.
November 27th, 2005 at 5:09 pm“You did a heckuva job Tenny.”
November 27th, 2005 at 5:11 pmVery good point jason.
November 27th, 2005 at 5:11 pmWell, I’m going to get offline now. Unlike wwallace I have a rewarding and productive life that doesn’t consist of getting kicks by trolling websites that I don’t agree with. Everyone have fun!
November 27th, 2005 at 5:12 pmjason has to get to his Aryan Brotherhood meeting.
November 27th, 2005 at 5:50 pm#182
You are so funny and stupid all at the same time.
November 27th, 2005 at 5:51 pmThe Clinton administration did in fact tie Iraq to al Qaeda when they bombed the al shifa pharmaceutical plant in Sudan.
jason seems incapable of basic honesty. But what can one expect from a racist?
November 27th, 2005 at 5:52 pm#184
But, more importantly, can you tie Saddam to Osama.
November 27th, 2005 at 5:53 pmI just want to know this….Was Chris Wallace a used car salesman in his past life? It seems that what was sold in the past is not meeting the conditions of the warranty and the goods are being returned. Remember…Caveat Emptor.
November 27th, 2005 at 5:56 pmThis is undeniably true: “Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks.”
Why would Judd deny something so obvious? How much is he paid to tell these lies?
November 27th, 2005 at 6:15 pm#187
“This is undeniably true: “Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks.—
And how does that tie Saddam Hussein to 9/11. Can you tie Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden or Al Qaida?
November 27th, 2005 at 6:27 pmQuoting what Bill Clinton or John Kerry or Al Gore said in 1998 is not going to make us run away and hide, shame-faced.
The difference between (most) Democrats and (most) Republicans is that (most)Republicans happily and stalwartly follow the party line and parrot talking points until the cows come home, while (most)Democrats don’t fall hook-line-and-sinker for some statement made by a Democratic leader simply because s/he is prominent in our party’s leadership. In other words, we are critical thinkers, you are sheep. We are smart and skpetical, you are dumb and accepting. And we don’t worship Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry. We take whatever they say with a grain of salt and do some research ourselves, rather than following blindly. That’s the American way, that’s the patriot way, and that’s way that fully evolved humans act in a Democracy; they PARTICIPATE, they don’t turn off their brains and lie back in their La-Z-Boy recliners.
November 27th, 2005 at 6:33 pm#189
“And we don’t worship Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry. We take whatever they say with a grain of salt and do some research ourselves, rather than following blindly.”
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
These guys keep posting about stuff hurting Hillary’s run for office. I coul dcare less. There are way better people I would choose over a member of the Carlyle Group.
November 27th, 2005 at 6:37 pmSpudge- Can you tie Osama to 9/11 before it happened? Can you tie Saddam to anything before it happened? Can you predict the future of most sitcoms? I know one thing, besides the fact that Britney Spears will get divorced and marry 14 more times, and that is that a person who slaughters innocent people for the sake of attention and terror will do anything to keep that power. Those with absolute power will be corrupted by the power they seek ( even if they meant good stuff)….My apologies to Lord Acton for that interpretive lingual dance….(Marco prediction: Spudge will ignore OR respond with outrage that anyone would dare question the lefty kool-aid drinkers….)
November 27th, 2005 at 6:43 pm“Bush has 3 more years which allows him to ignore the will of the people”
-Bill Kristol
Hee!
November 27th, 2005 at 6:48 pm#191
“Can you tie Osama to 9/11 before it happened?”
Yes I can, it was the August 6 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing.
“Can you predict the future of most sitcoms?”
Yes, most sitcom story lines have already been done. Everything is just a repeat.
“Those with absolute power will be corrupted by the power they seek”
You are right. The NeoCons are extremely corrupt.
I don’t get outraged. I find you guys to be rather funny. In a delusional kind of way.
November 27th, 2005 at 6:58 pm#184 -
November 27th, 2005 at 7:39 pmI did not know that the Sudan was in Iraq. Should I buy a new atlas?
Gregor, liberals lie often, but not 100% of the time. Where’s the contradiction in that? :()
Comment by wwallace — November 27, 2005 @ 4:30 pm
How do you know I am looking for a contradiction? And to further clarify your position on this: How do you know when Clinton, Democrats, and/or liberals lie and when they are being truthful?
Were you able to gather evidence that the 9/11 Commission final report was “a joke”?
November 27th, 2005 at 7:47 pmforget about targeting al-jazeera for their supposed al-qaeda propaganda and “biased reproting”, it’s time that someone like Qatar to target Fox news headquarters for all their shameless pro-war anti-arab propaganda that they try to pass off as reporting. hahahahaha. paybacks are only fair
November 27th, 2005 at 8:10 pmFreedom is Loose, therefore, FREEDOM is SATAN!
November 27th, 2005 at 9:02 pmFreedom is Loose, therefore, FREEDOM is SATAN!
November 27th, 2005 at 9:03 pmRead you hate!
1-Right(wrong)-1…you are so naieve. Stop trying to use sarcasm to make a point that has no foundation. Virtually everyone on this board doesn’t hate Bush because they’re Dems. They (we) hate Bush because he LIES. To say that Saddam was a good guy is wrong, but to say that Bush is any better is laughable. They are BOTH guilty of the worst crime…murder. That is the truth. No matter how killers try to justify it they are still killers.
November 27th, 2005 at 9:13 pmFreedom is Loose, therefore, FREEDOM is SATAN!
November 27th, 2005 at 10:01 pmRead your Hate!~HATE=EVIL!
Freedom is Loose, therefore, FREEDOM is SATAN!
November 27th, 2005 at 10:06 pmThis is Intend For Rupublicans, Democrats, Independants and ALL.Not Just a One Sided Issue!!
Read your Hate!!!! ~HATE=EVIL!
Saddam’s trial continues next week. I was wondering if George H.W. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and company will be made to testify that they provided the gas to kill the Kurds? Can they be indighted as co-conspiritors? It would be great to see that.
November 27th, 2005 at 10:16 pm#133
Danny,
Chris Wallace has been trying so hard to get his Dad’s
approval that he has to stoop very low by leaving network TV, which his father is still involved with, and instead jerking off with the right-wing propaganda called Fox News.
Someday, I’d like to see a public figure like Harry Reid, John Murtha, who represents my county by the way,
or even George Clooney, look at Chris straight in the eyes and tell him, “You have a long way to go to get to the quality of reporting that your father has done.”
Boy that would make Chris piss in his pants.
Besides, he wouldn’t have the balls to interview Tina Turner as his father did a few years ago. Hell, even Mike was turned on by her. Chris would probably prefer a Playboy Bunny reject like Ann Coulter.
November 27th, 2005 at 10:25 pmGENESIS CHAPTER 11
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November 27th, 2005 at 10:34 pm1 ¶ And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 ¶ And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
I’ve had all day to consider the change in tides. I’ve decided it is very offensive that considering EVERYONE except Fox proper has acknowledged the near complete fracture of the GOP that Bush supporters still come to this site and argue these points. It really showcases their intentions.
November 27th, 2005 at 10:48 pmEven my local Fox Dallas (Yes, here in Texas)affiliate is very negative about most things dealing with the war and the WH. Yet Fox proper keeps towing the line along with the trolls. Don’t these guys consider their credibility at all?!
And by the way, when things are REALLY F*CKED?
Quote the bible
November 27th, 2005 at 10:50 pmChris was speaking specifically to tying Iraq to 9/11 not terrorism in general which there is a whole bunch of evidence of. Such as all of this Click here.
November 27th, 2005 at 10:54 pmYes, relying on FOX news viewers to lose their memory has worked for them in the past. Why should they stop now? THANK GOD we have a forum to call them on it! Thank GOD for the internet!
November 27th, 2005 at 11:26 pmFreedom is not free,
1. FREEDOM IS FREE!!! Governments make you pay for it.
2. If there is a god, I’m a Vermicious Kanid.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:56 amFINF, Genesis is retarded. It says the earth is flat and 8000 years old. Anyone who quotes it as either accurate history or predictive of the future is utterly insane.
Comment by Ryan Neat
Liar.
November 28th, 2005 at 9:51 amClick on the Bushflash link in post #217 above. Lots of memories, to be sure. Specificaly recommended to the Wingnuts.
November 28th, 2005 at 9:58 amEven my local Fox Dallas (Yes, here in Texas)affiliate is very negative about most things dealing with the war and the WH. Yet Fox proper keeps towing the line along with the trolls. Don’t these guys consider their credibility at all?!
Comment by Average TV Viewer
You’re credibility and that of MSM is what is in question. Even with the full court press of lies and horror stories fabricated by the Filthy Left and their alphabet communist courtesans at ABC,NBC,CBS etc. the American people are still behind the efforts of the Bush Administration and the military. That’s got to be bad news for you and the Donks come the elections in 06.
THE ONLY CHANCE the traitors on the Left have of winning some meaningful elections in 06 and 08 is if America FAILS and pulls out of Iraq. Otherwise the American people will not be disposed to elect military hating Democrats and put them in charge of their sons. Real Americans are too smart for that. We know who you are.
November 28th, 2005 at 10:03 amwackowallace and irighti are twins of different mothers–or else they’re being paid to troll. How else to explain their tenacious grip on unreality and their continual posting of utter bulls***?
November 28th, 2005 at 10:34 amTerror tip for rich
E-mails warned bigs of city attack
By ALISON GENDAR
DAILY NEWS POLICE BUREAU CHIEF
Cop guards downtown Broad St. subway station Monday as New Yorkers’ nerves are frayed by terror warning.
The city’s rich and well-connected were tipped off to last week’s subway terror threat days before average New Yorkers, the Daily News has learned.
At least two E-mails revealing the purported plot were sent to a select crowd of business and arts executives early last week by New Yorkers who claimed to have close connections to Homeland Security and other federal officials, authorities said.
The NYPD confirmed that it learned of the E-mails on Oct. 3 – three days before Mayor Bloomberg, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and the FBI went public with the threat.
“I have just received a most disturbing call from one of my oldest friends from growing up in Washington,” one E-mail began. “He called with a very specific caution to not enter or use the New York City subway system from Oct. 7 through 10th.”
A second E-mail sounded a similar ominous tone: “As some of you know my father works for Homeland Security, at a very high position and receives security briefings on a daily basis.
“The only information that I can pass on is that everyone should at all costs not ride the subway for the next two weeks in major areas of NYC.”
One of the E-mails was dated Oct. 3 with a 6:05 p.m. time stamp, about 90 minutes before Bloomberg was fully briefed on the threat, a police source said.
The early warning infuriated several police officials, who noted that Homeland Security officials had challenged the credibility of the threat after the city and FBI warned the public.
“We’re briefing the mayor, ratcheting up security, talking about when to go public – and Homeland Security is downplaying the whole thing while their people are telling friends to stay out of the subways,” a police source said. “It’s pretty bad.”
NYPD investigators obtained copies of the E-mails on Oct. 4, as Bloomberg and Kelly were finalizing a plan to respond to the threat, and police officials gave the E-mails to the Homeland Security Department, police said.
‘Members of our corporate security network informed the Police Department of the E-mails’ existence days prior to any announcement of the threat,” NYPD Deputy Commissioner Paul Browne said yesterday.
Homeland Security officials confirmed that they were told about the early E-mail warnings.
“We have looked into them, but do not consider them to be of great significance,” Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said yesterday.
“At best, they were based on anecdotal accounts of very limited information,” he added, declining to reveal whether the feds were investigating.
The News obtained copies of two E-mails, one with the foreboding subject line: “Alarming call from Washington.” Unsigned versions were also posted on Snopes.com, a site that examines urban legends.
One of the E-mail senders, when reached by The News, declined comment.
The plot, calling for terrorists to detonate bombs hidden in briefcases, suitcases or strollers, has been largely discredited since the public warning.
Bloomberg has defended his response, arguing the city had no choice but to act on the “specific threat.” He has said he held off alerting the public until Oct.6 to give authorities time to round up suspects in Iraq.
Originally published on October 13, 2005
November 28th, 2005 at 10:34 am#3 turned out to be absolutely correct. Wwallace must stand for ‘what a troll’ wallace… and of COURSE he watches FAUX news channel. No doubt he’s got an IV in his arm dripping red blog cells and ‘talking points’ serum into his b.s. (bloodstream, bulls***, what’s the dif in his case).
Now that the Republicans are touting troop w/drawal as their own ‘plan for victory’ we can all breathe a little easier.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:03 am….the American people are still behind the efforts of the Bush Administration and the military. From, I-RIGHT-I
So not only do these Bush-God lovers don’t understand facts, but they don’t read polls either. Your God is sinking in the polls faster than pollsters can ask the questions. And oh, that includes your video-Bible FoxNews and their polls.
Just the opposite is happening, the vast majority of Americans aren’t buying the Bush lies anymore. And once a person considers another a liar, it is rare for the trust to return. The only people still buying the Bush lines are those that lie to themselves or believe Bush to be their God.
I laugh and giggle at how upset the Bush-God lovers have become in the last months. They hate seeing the poll numbers dropping fast and feeling more lonely by the day. Their world vision is falling apart in front of their eyes, yet refuse to blame their Bush-God. Pray some more to Dubya, maybe he will find that unlocked Chinese door to a miracle. Fat chance! LOL
November 28th, 2005 at 11:21 amI-Right-I:
“THE ONLY CHANCE the traitors on the Left have of winning some meaningful elections in 06 and 08 is if America FAILS and pulls out of Iraq.”
Well then you better get ready for some Dem wins by your prediction. Do you bother keeping current on what your masters are doing? Read this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051127/pl_afp/usiraqtroops
The White House and the rethugs have been talking about withdrawal for a few days now. Of coarse they have to lie about it and say it’s been they’re plan all along.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:48 amThat will not change the fact that there were members of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations in Iraq before the war.
-wwallace
there were also members of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations in the united states before the war.
November 28th, 2005 at 1:05 pmplunger… a clear anti- semite in the house. die.
November 28th, 2005 at 1:30 pmFINF, Genesis is retarded. It says the earth is flat and 8000 years old. Anyone who quotes it as either accurate history or predictive of the future is utterly insane.
Comment by Ryan Neat
Liar.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 28, 2005 @ 9:51 am
It’s a good story, however, if you live by it and force others to live by it, YOU are a facist ignoranamus.
November 28th, 2005 at 1:33 pm#184 -
I did not know that the Sudan was in Iraq. Should I buy a new atlas?
Comment by WaltTheMan — November 27, 2005 @ 7:39 pm
Considering the general American goegraphic ignorance… you might buy a couple million and distribute throughout the school systems. A friend of mine didn’t know where Iraq is…
November 28th, 2005 at 1:37 pmI-RIGHT-I,
If Ryan is a “liar,” then prove it. If you can’t, then you are making blanket statements based on ignorance, which then means you are in fact ignorant.
November 28th, 2005 at 1:40 pmAverage, what goes on at this website day to day is not debate, it’s paid anti-American propaganda.
Comment by wwallace — November 27, 2005 @ 12:49 pm
Paid by…
November 28th, 2005 at 1:43 pmwwallace,
November 28th, 2005 at 1:59 pmI guess it’s a good thing that no one appointed you to decide what is pro-American and what is anti-American. You must be one of those 30% of Americans who think Bush is the second coming. The rest of us Americans wish you and your idiocy would just go away from here.
#36 & #231 ::
“Average, what goes on at this website day to day is not debate, it’s paid anti-American propaganda.”
uuhh… did you feel that maybe your statement wasn’t as clear the first time you posted it?
personally i think wwallace is a content-driven aggregator/comment bot… he’s not real… he’s prolly been created by the boys at PNAC to help combat the interior war on terror.
it’s ok robot… someday you’ll become a real live boy!
i normally don’t personal with my responses, but… you’re just getting rediculous.
p@-
November 28th, 2005 at 2:01 pmaustin tx
wwallace,
The right wants you to believe (and it appears that they are doing a good job as far as you are concerned) that political dissent is “anti-American.” When in fact, there are few things that are “as American” then political dissent (if there is such a thing as “American” at all).
The right fear change. While if there is one thing that is certain in life, its change. Death is a change, and it’s unavoidable.
I’d like to ask you to read two books.
1. A Peoples History of the United States by Howard Zinn
2. Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky
Whether you like these authors and/or what they say or not, it would increase your intellect and understanding of others in general, to read them. Without understanding, you’ll live your life in conflict, which is unhealthy.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:12 pmit’s ok robot… someday you’ll become a real live boy!
i normally don’t personal with my responses, but… you’re just getting rediculous.
p@-
austin tx
Comment by p@ — November 28, 2005 @ 2:01 pm
You need some sort of AI for that,ww doesn’t really have any, intelligent or artifical.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:12 pmYou darn Liberals!
There is a proven link between Al Qaeda & Iraq.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:56 pmAl Qaeda.
Iraq.
They both have a “Q” in them.
In George WMD Bush’s statement of justification to Congress for military action, as required under the congressional resolution passed last fall, Bush claimed:
Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html
November 28th, 2005 at 3:21 pmAnd are we going to let them get away with this too? Enough is enough.
November 28th, 2005 at 3:45 pmWhat the wingers continually forget and conveniently ignore is that the most substantial ties between Saddam and al Qaeda are all Republican operatives from the administrations of Ray-gun and Bush the Elder… other than that, Saddam was predominantly secular and many of the same people that the pro-war crowd want to offer as martyred victims of his atrocities were, in many cases, the same sorts of religious radicals that they now brand as the enemy.
Conversely, the Mujahideen and their subsequent mutation into the Taliban and Al Qaeda can be traced back into the same Republicans (and members of the Carter admin before them) deciding that it was worth the future risk to arm people who hated us on principle to serve our tactical advantage in Central Asia against the Soviets
November 28th, 2005 at 3:55 pmthere is no evidence that Iraq was linked to the terrorists but do you know who is?
USA. yup. we trained the terrorists and even armed them when they were fighting the russians.
do you know who Iraq was linked to?
USA. yup. we supplied them with training and weapons in their war with Iran.
nice.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:04 pmForget about the ties between Saddam and Al-queda,what about the ties between Bin laden and Bushco?What kind of brilliant insight do you have on that i-right-i?Are you a paid shill for these thugs or do blow em for free?I’m thinking you give em freebies.Well,awaiting your next stupid comment,however i think thats all your capable of,stupid comments that is.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:22 pmI’ve come to believe that planet earth is the galaxies insane asylum. It’s not our fault, we’re sick and in need of treatment. But some of us more than others. Maybe us progressives were sent here as counselors for the really bad cases. Be kind to the likes of wwwallace, their chances of recovery and a return to whatever rock they came from are, sadly, very small.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:58 pmhow many pictures of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam does it take to look fishy? Why didn’t they have a problem with the brutal dictator back then? Let me guess, bad intel?
November 28th, 2005 at 5:27 pmWatching Republicans as they try to defend Bush is like watching Charlie Brown as he tries to fly a kite.
I cannot help thinking that the continued mindless blathering of the Bush supporters (poor delusional bastards), is intended to fend off reality. Accepting the truth of the matter, basically, Bush lied, people died, would just push them over the edge, which they currently teeter on now. How awful to know that you cheered it on, no less. Yes it will suck to be you when the day finally comes. But most americans are happy to forgive people, once they admit they are wrong. I don’t think the people of Iraq will be as willing, and can you blame them? Righties make me tired. Get over yourselves, PUHLLEEEZE!!
November 28th, 2005 at 7:51 pmAnyone ever find nude Coulter pics?
Damn it, there went my appetite.
November 28th, 2005 at 7:51 pmThe quote in question was a response to a reporters question about how AQ and Saddam’s regime were alike. It’s called a contrast and comparison. The context of this statement is obvious in reading the entire interview. But we Bushies are too mindless to understand complex things like CONTEXT. Good thing the blameocrats are able to ignore that or we might actually be talking about facts here.
November 28th, 2005 at 8:38 pm#188, Fred Green is obviously on drugs. The opposite of what he said is true.
November 28th, 2005 at 9:06 pmwwallace,
I thought you had given up on this thread. It’s good to see you back, because I still would like you to answer a few questions:
How do you know when Clinton, Democrats, and/or liberals lie and when they are being truthful?
Who in the White House, Congress, the Senate, or the intelligence community impugned the veracity of the 9/11 Commission’s report by calling it “a joke”?
Also, in post #109 you said that I was “far from trustworthy”. After I took your challenge and presented my evidence, in post #133 you admitted I was right by saying “liberals lie often, but not 100% of the time”.
Can I please get a retraction on your statement that I am not trustworthy.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:06 pmFox News? What’s Fox News?
Oh yea, thats the station where the Presidents 1st cousin, John Ellis works. You guys remember John Ellis don’t you? He was the guy that put out the news that Bush won Florida (you know, the state where the Presidents brother works, as the Govenor?), after ALL 3 major networks had projected Gore based upon exit polls.
Funny how those exit polls were so wrong, by all 3 networks, but not Fox.
Well, at least they had a recount.
Too bad the person in charge of the recount, was also the head of the Bush campaign in Florida…and appointed to head the recount by the Presidents brother…
Oh well,
ya win some, and ya win some,
November 29th, 2005 at 2:25 amBut there was no monkey business there, thats for sure….
November 29th, 2005 at 2:26 amI don’t know why you people are always bitching about Fox said this or Fox said that…. wah wah wah.
You should be greatful for what Fox reports. If it wasn’t for their experts on foreign policy and politics you would have nobody of any knowledge providing reports.
That is why you keep reporting on what they say right ? Because you have no alternative.
Same for when Paris Hilton comments on Avian Flu. If she doesn’t tell the world how to prepare who will.
You idiots are pretty much just a web based version of talkback radio listeners. Doesn’t matter how ridiculous the throw-away line… you’ll pick it up and repeat it until it has a forum.
November 29th, 2005 at 5:29 amTank… You sound desparate to defend Faux News. Ever ask yourself WHY?
And, pardon me, we do have alternatives to Faux News. Plenty. Besides that, I’d get more truthful news about American Politics by staring at a blank wall compaired to Faux News.
November 29th, 2005 at 8:29 amNude Pictures of Ann Coulter?
November 29th, 2005 at 10:51 amYes, Yes! I saw them last week on a movie called “Bone Snatchers”. No, No… not bony snatch…. “Bone Snatchers”! She took on various rolls that involved being strewn about the Sahara. Apparently she had some “bit parts”!
First time here- generally spend my time at Kos- less repug trollers. The best article on why we went to Iraq is here: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0924-13.htm and the best book about everything from peak oill to the Carlyle Group to Sudan, Venezuela, etc. is “Crossing the Rubicon” by Michael Rupert.
November 29th, 2005 at 12:07 pmYa’ll need to dig a little deeper. The difference between George Bush and John Kerry is a fabrication- there ain’t none. In fact, they’re related, and Hugh Hefner is a cuz too. Skull and Bones, all of ‘em. All of ‘em gotta go.
Free saddam put bush in front of the wall.
November 29th, 2005 at 12:38 pmTrue Believer,
You’ve got something there. If they’d follow the damned money we wouldn’t have so many confused repugliscum and (DLC) hypocrats. The power brokers in D.C. are all playing mind games with the rank and file, while raking in the dough and leaving the middle class, flag waving suckers to foot the bill. Tax cut? What tax cut? Bush fed you idots just enough money to donate to the oil company of your choice!
ALL POSTERS ON THIS SITE:
PLEASE CEASE AND DESIST FROM REFERRING TO FOX AS A “NEWS” OUTLET, IT’S PURE RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA…
November 29th, 2005 at 1:11 pmOn thread – Judd, I think maybe you and RyANNe are Siamese twins – Think Pessimism regularly argues that Pres. Bush erroneously linked Osama and Saddam with the 9/11 attacks. Bush has linked them in the characteristic they share – EVIL. Dems go on to point out that the secular Saddam and the fanatic Osama would never work together. On Fox News Sunday, Chris Wallace asked Sen. Levin:
“And I want to ask you about one specific case, if I can. You’ve charged repeatedly that the president said before the war that you couldn’t distinguish between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. Aren’t you distorting what the president actually said?…..
(VIDEO CLIP)
GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Both of them need to be dealt with. The War on Terror is — you can’t distinguish between Al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the War on Terror. I can’t distinguish between the two because they’re both equally as bad.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: The point, Senator, is he wasn’t saying that Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda were linked. He was specifically asked which one is more dangerous, and he was saying he couldn’t distinguish and say one was more dangerous than the other.”
The entire interview, minus the sleight of hand by Think Pessimism is at:
November 29th, 2005 at 1:13 pmhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/02933,176807,00.html
Puny Hermaphrodite (masquerading as “Mighty Aphrodite”),
Bush’s references to Saddam as a supporter of terrorism had its foundation in Saddam’s support of Palestinian suicide bombers’ families, to which he would donate $25,000. Can you please explain for the edification of those of us who are mere aspirants to the rarified air of you psuedo-intellectuals on the right how such support differs (morally) from the “death benefit payment” our government/ insurance companies pay for soldiers/private security contractors killed in combat in Iraq?
Another question that comes to mind (while we’re on the subject of Iraq) is if Dick Cheney no longer has any financial ties to Halliburton (and consequently no vested financial interest in the Iraq war), what should call the reported $8 million dollars in stock options and deferred compensation the “vice” -prez has at his old company?
November 29th, 2005 at 1:49 pm#257 – “…. how such support differs (morally) from the “death benefit payment†our government/ insurance companies pay for soldiers/private security contractors killed in combat in Iraq?” – BP
*****Your question demonstrates moral equivocation – as well as poor attention to relevant facts. Why would the “leader” of one country pay others to commit suicide/homicide bombings in another country they were ostensibly not at war with?? Please know, that should the manaical enemy ever want to kill a broad swath of Americans or Westerner’s, they won’t care that you were “progressively” sympathetic to their “cause”. Oops, I’m sorry – that already happened four short years ago here, and a myriad of other places abroad.
Again, factual retention must elude you. Stock options (according to lib site “Raw Story”, Cheney holds 433,333 shares of Halliburton) and deferred compensation are legal (I checked with those paragons of lib biz and philanthropy, George Soros and Peter Lewis). Change the law if you don’t like it.
November 29th, 2005 at 2:29 pmPuny Hermaphrodite’
That’s the problem with you racist, right wing, Bush-Cheney worshipping fanatics on the right, you think that only YOUR government has the right to supply arms, money and subversive support to the enemies of its enemy (Reagan and Iran-Contra, bin Laden and the Mujahedin-vs-the Soviets in Afghanistan, or Saddam-vs-Iran, as well as Bush I’s Gulf War to protect Kuwait; just the tip of the iceberg baby!). You feel that only YOU have the capacity to suffer. You believe that YOUR lives are more important than the lives of other “kinds” of people, different from yourselves. You believe that only YOU have the right to challenge oppression, or take revenge when having been wronged. The Palestinians and Israelis are in a de facto war (and Saddam Hussein chose to support the Palestinians just as Eisenhower,Carter, Reagan, Bushs I and II chose to support Israel), 9/11s happen everyday all over the world to countless millions who seethe in oppressive poverty, that btw bankrolls your lifestyle. Study the policies and practices of the IMF, World Bank and WTO if you want to know why people want to kill you.
On Cheney, you’ve simply buttressed my contention. If it looks like a duck (thief), and quacks like a duck (thief), then it’s a duck (thief)! Follow the money in Iraq, inbred!
November 30th, 2005 at 8:55 am“You believe that YOUR lives are more important than the lives of other “kinds†of people, different from yourselves.” – Big Papa
November 30th, 2005 at 1:15 pm*****It’s called SELF PRESERVATION – but guilt ridden, self-flaggelating progs have a difficult time with this simple concept. Perhaps you should join the “human shield” brigade.
“It’s called SELF PRESERVATION – but guilt ridden, self-flaggelating progs have a difficult time with this simple concept. Perhaps you should join the “human shield†brigade.
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
You have a big fixation with guilt, as you should being a fascist zionist traitor to america and our values. You and the rest of the NeoCon traitors trained AlQaeda in the first place. But your ‘fear of guilt’ is really more of a symptom of a paranoid personality disorder which always breaks things down into victim and victimizer. This ’simplistic’ and ‘psychotic’ view of the world is typical of terrorists like yourself and osama – know wonder all of you zionists supported him as long as he was fighting for your causes… He’s ONE OF YOU!
November 30th, 2005 at 6:53 pm“WALLACE: The point, Senator, is he wasn’t saying that Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda were linked. He was specifically asked which one is more dangerous, and he was saying he couldn’t distinguish and say one was more dangerous than the other.â€
The entire interview, minus the sleight of hand by Think Pessimism is at:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/02933,176807,00.html
Comment by mightyBigLiar”
Actually this is an utter fabrication. We are more linked with North Korea and Iran that Saddam ever was to AlQaeda. You have NO proof of this, and all proof points to debunk this lie.
You must be the STUPIDEST COW in your ZIONIST FIELD to say such lies so readily…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:55 pm“Again, factual retention must elude you. Stock options (according to lib site “Raw Storyâ€, Cheney holds 433,333 shares of Halliburton) and deferred compensation are legal (I checked with those paragons of lib biz and philanthropy, George Soros and Peter Lewis). Change the law if you don’t like it.
Comment by mightyHermpahrodite”
Actually it’s highly unethical, and the legality would have been challenged if congress hadn’t been such a fascist tool of the dictatorship.
If you suck this much as a lawyer, clearly a JAG was a better career choice for you. You better get some BIG malpractice to cover you…
“A new Congressional Research Service report describes deferred salary and stock options as “among those benefits described by the Office of Government Ethics as ‘retained ties’ or ‘linkages’ to one’s former employer.”
This behavior could easily be seen as both unethical and even as a form of ‘bribery’ by halliburton to pump up their valuation. Considering the ‘charity’ that Cheney is apparently planning on opening is a VP Library and possibly a ‘lobbying charity’, this is not only a HUGE conflict of interest, but it’s downright criminal you STUPID COW!
November 30th, 2005 at 6:59 pm“On September 14th, Mr. Cheney told Tim Russert on Meet the Press that he had severed all financial ties and had no financial interest in Halliburton.”
Once again according to the findings of the Congressional Research Service – CHENEY LIED!!! Big surprise? Nope. And neither will the responses from the hack ambulance chaser idiot MightyHermaphrodite in defending his criminal acts. She’s accuses the ACLU of defending criminals, and yet here she is doing that herself. That’s called a hypocrite, a cognitive dissonance, and a STUPID COW!
November 30th, 2005 at 7:02 pmI find it striking that people are so one sided on either portion of this. The bottom line in my mind is whether or not things are better off as a result of Saddam’s removal? Plus, you forget that congress (Republican and Democrat) had plenty of information at their disposal and the ability to get more if they felt that they didn’t have enough. Watch the videos of Democrat after Democrat reinforcing the administration’ position. Look, a lot of mistakes were made. They are not categorized by simple party lines, no matter how simple you think this stuff is. The information was bad, no doubt, but I don’t think that it altered our position on Iraq one iota. Plus, as all of you up to the minute and open minded liberals are aware, there is a “new” CIA scandal being uncovered. Apparently, there may be evidence that people within the CIA have been basically “making up” some of the intelligence that the Bush administration has relied upon in an attempt to screw him. Reading this series of web postings reinforces my belief that there really are people out there who would believe anything negative about Bush, and people who would fabricate said information. I can only hope that age will temper your hostilities, and realize that we are all one cohesive unit. Most Republicans aren’t buck-toothed rednecks, and most Democrats aren’t jobless pot-smokers. And Big Papa, I just would like to thank you for your hypocrisy. Stereotyping people for stereotyping. Very clever. For a third grader. The rest of us call it hypocrisy. And do you remember when we gave arms to and assisted Stalin in World War II? Then we had the Cold War. Alliances are often formed with nations which you know you will confront later. What is your point? You have to consider, too, that you have the enviable position of having hindsight, which you don’t have at the time you make a decision. Diatribe over. Let the sophomoric insults fly.
December 1st, 2005 at 10:32 am“You believe that YOUR lives are more important than the lives of other “kinds†of people, different from yourselves”
December 1st, 2005 at 11:26 amMore hypocrisy from my personal best friend, Big Papa. So which is worth more, Big Papa, an Iraqi life or an American life?
Also, the reason that people want to kill us is because they believe differently from us. They hate us because our women are allowed to think freely, and our men are free to hold hands with their wives. They hate us more because though we are “The Great Satan,” God seems to be blessing us.
We give more money worldwide in almost every single circumstance than any other nation on earth. Don’t kid yourself. The Muslim world wasn’t to blame for the Europeans’ Crusades, and America is not responsible for the Islamic Extremist crusade today.
I especially like how you make the statement that “You believe that only YOU have the right to challenge oppression.” No, we just have a responsibility. You oughta read the “Declaration of Independence.” Fascinating document, really. Are you somehow suggesting that we are oppressing these “civilizations” which you argue want to be living in a state of repressed freedom. That would argue that freedom of a society usurps the freedom of the individual. But you are a Democrat, right? Interesting.
#257 #258, Saddam’s payments to the families of suicide bombers were to Help the HOMELESS. Israel bulldozes the homes of bombers families.
December 2nd, 2005 at 12:16 amThis is how the conservatives work , they lie and most Republicans watching seems to throw logic out the window and just believe what ever they are told. Take for example the President suggesting that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. They try to out talk you and bring up untrue statements and Republicans jump right on that mess.
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January 18th, 2006 at 4:35 pmHi CHriss,
I do not watch TV Much any more, however I do listen to the people that teardown the elected people. You know? Like you tear down the president every chance you get. Well to me cHris and to many others, you only want a Democrat in office.
President Bush was elected by WE The People Chris. this leads mr to the following question.
If you the News Media Personal had to be elected every two years or so, WOULD YOU STILL BE IN OFFICE?
I DOUBT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MADE A SECOND TERM.
TAKE IT FROM A PERSON THAT IS VERY DOWN TO EARTH AND A STRONG AMERICAN. YOU WOULD BE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER JOB CHRIS.
AT EIGHTEEN YEARS OF AGE I VOLENTEERED FOR THE ARMY, THE PARATROOPERS AND THEN FOR kOREA.
I HAVE A SUSPICION THAT IF AMERICA DEPENDED ON THE LIKES OF YOU, WE WOULD BE SPEAKING A FORIGN LANGUAGE NOW.
When it comes to you stating your own news, “YOU STINK”
You wouldn’t make a PIMPLE on The PRESIDENTS BUTT.
TRULY YOURS
ARTHUR
i AM AN independant voter.
March 19th, 2006 at 7:24 pmArthur G. Hickey, Jr,
September 25th, 2006 at 12:41 pmWake up, brother.
This is not your father’s world anymore. No longer do todays youth listen to old cynical fellows and take their word for the truth. Today we seek the truth, and typing vague statements in all caps might have worked long ago, but today’s kids are much smarter and independent. Emotional, frothy (look that one up) tyrades no longer work, just the facts please, how about you stop watching Fox and turn on Public Broadcasting news, oh yeah, you may not be able to understand the big words, you better stick to Fox News, let them spell it all out for you so you don’t have to do any of that thinking stuff. Remember to try and spell correctly when you rant so you don’t come across as “iliterut”.
to Mr Independentvoter:
March 2nd, 2007 at 11:12 amI agree with Arthur…. But it seems like when all you Liberal Bush hating types sees a difference of opinion you squeeze out insults and innuendo similar to the communist manifesto! my friend, you will never silence the conservative movement and you will never understand the way we as conservatives think! so keep watching your CNN and your alphabet soup brand of network commie news blocks , and keep believing that you and your Clinton Butt kissing Democrat Cabal scream about how you hate Fox news and President Bush! it seems to me your people lose money cheer leading about useless tripe In, Of course a FOREIGN Language! that is what you people understand anyway, that’s what those Government schools taught you ….. Right!!