Daschle Asked To Depoliticize Iraq War Vote, Bush Refused
Daschle Asked To Depoliticize Iraq War Vote, Bush Refused
In recent weeks, President Bush has used the October 2002 Iraq war vote to deflect criticism of his conduct in the lead-up to war. Today’s Los Angeles Times reports that, in September 2002, Sen. Tom Daschle asked President Bush to delay the vote on the Iraq war:
“I asked directly if we could delay this so we could depoliticize it. I said: ‘Mr. President, I know this is urgent, but why the rush? Why do we have to do this now?’ He looked at Cheney and he looked at me, and there was a half-smile on his face. And he said: ‘We just have to do this now.’ “
In so doing, President Bush departed from the example of his father, who waited until after the 1990 midterm elections to call for a vote on the first Iraq war. Bush’s decision to rush the vote had two important effects:
1. Members did not have adequate time to review the National Intelligence Estimate.The 90-page unclassified document was delivered to Congress on October 1, the night the hearings began and less than 10 days before the vote. Members “could look at it only under tight security on-site. They could not take a copy with them for review.”
2. The vote was overly politicized. E.J. Dionne noted recently that Bush “forced the war vote to take place under circumstances that guaranteed the minimum amount of reflection and debate, and that opened anyone who dared question his policies to charges, right before an election, that they were soft on Hussein.”
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Other than the rush to get the vote done, wouldn’t we rather know how our representatives stood on the war before we vote for them? Isn’t that what democracy is all about?
November 28th, 2005 at 10:18 amThank god that chump Daschle isn’t the Senate leader anymore. Smirky practically gave him a public melvin and how does Tom respond “Thank you sir, may I have another?”
November 28th, 2005 at 10:18 amThe President’s conduct around that vote was disgraceful. They were attacking Wellstone, until he died in that plane accident.
November 28th, 2005 at 10:18 amTerror tip for rich
E-mails warned bigs of city attack
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/355272p-302744c.html
November 28th, 2005 at 10:35 amBush Was Rushing to WAR because he knew he had little Evidence. Since WE have many of the SAME players as WIMPsr.
Lets look at the First Gulf War and Compare.
Saddam Told Ambassador Glaspie about His intent to Attack Kuwait for Slant Drilling into IRAQ Oil Fields. Glaspie informed Saddam that they took no sides with the Current Kuwaiti issue, meanwhile WIMPsr was Planning to attack, Saddam did what he said he would do, Attack Kuwait.
Of course WIMPsr then attacked Iraq. Wolfowitz Cried FOUL! He wanted SR. to go all the Way to Baghdad. Senior and Scowcroft stated that Would Destabilize the Middle East. Embargos and controlled Airspace Were out into effect.
So the Likudian Psycho Wolfowitz and his AEI Co-horts Kristol, Murdoch et al. Started the Rhetoric once again thru PNAC and other such Coporate Enterprise Institutes.
the Article above shows that WIMPjr is pulling a Bums Rush.
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Which brings me to this;
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/clark8.html
Well, now ABC News has uncovered the “smoking gun” (or in this case, the smoking ruins of a house) showing that the U.S. in fact did everything possible to prevent a negotiated surrender. “Missed Opportunity? U.S. Attack May Have Ended Saddam Surrender Attempt.”
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Socrates and What I learned;
“If you Speak truthfully the unrighteous shall attempt to Silence you in the Name of the Righteous” –Aj
November 28th, 2005 at 10:42 amThis was done because Democrats stabbed Bush’s father in the back in 1991 – they wanted him to wait on the vote til after the mid-term elections, he did, and then they voted en masse against it. Bush is smarter than his father and Democrats hate that.
The left’s hatefulness caught up to them in 2000 and it’s been downhill ever since. They’ve been out-Bushed and they know it. Shame they will never be in power in our lifetime again.
November 28th, 2005 at 10:45 am#6 – that’s pretty funny – funnier still if you actually believe it!
November 28th, 2005 at 10:51 amI don’t think you know the score, danny k.
November 28th, 2005 at 10:53 am“Mr. President, I know this is urgent, but why the rush? Why do we have to do this now?’”
Aside from the sheer stupidity of the staement “I know this is urgent but why the rush?”, what Daschle was REALLY saying was:
“Mr. President, can we PLEASE put this off until after the elections so my Dems won’t have to go on the record about such annoying little nuisances as national security? I mean, why do our constituents need to know how we stand BEFORE the election? That’s just crazy talk!”
November 28th, 2005 at 10:57 am#7 – prove that I’m wrong. Democrats are LIARS. They would have voted en masse against the war if we didn’t live in a democracy and people didn’t vote. They are chickenshits.
Liberals hate Bush because he is effective. He wanted people like Daschle on record before the election.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:03 am#9 Sure, it was clever politics on Chimpy’s part to do what he did – he completely emasculated anything even approaching an effective debate on whether or not the country should go to war or not. But there’s the issue: on an issue as vital to the nation as committing young men and women into harm’s way, don’t you think (a) you’d better be right about your reasons (b) history (or an impeachment trial) might judge you better if you had not played politics with the lives countries armed forces, its treasure and its standing in the world? Just asking..
November 28th, 2005 at 11:04 am#6 so WHY did Bush Senior WRITE a WHOLE letter stating the reason he DID not go all the way to Baghdad?
http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/bushsr-iraq.htm
theres BUSHsr. reason Danny K Please READ IT and PLEASE post some DATA pertaining to THIS democratic Back Stabbing, not that I dont Beleive it, but would LIKE to read it for Myself. AS I have posted the BUSH sr reason for not GOING to Baghdad for YOU to read.
Now, How do you come to the Conclusion Junior is Smarter than Sr. Obviuosly HE DOES NOT LISTEN to the Voice of Experience.
I see yet another FOOLISH troll in you Danny K, attempting to stick his neck out, without looking first, much like Wwallace.
We currently have THREE parties Danny K, in power, for Which do you speak? The Neo-Cons, The Republicans, or the Democrats?
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Part of the Bushsr Scowcroft Letter here; –Aj
Excerpt from “Why We Didn’t Remove Saddam” by George Bush [Sr.] and Brent Scowcroft, Time (2 March 1998):
While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state. We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in “mission creep,” and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.’s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish
November 28th, 2005 at 11:06 am#10 – Danny, I thought that in a democracy, sometime people vote against you… or maybe your idea of a democracy is a bit different from mine. I’m sorry, but your argument is the one that needs facts to support it – I just found you funny – (1) prove that democrats stabbed Bush 1 in the back (2) Bush 2 is smarter than Bush 1 (3) prove that democrats will never be in power in the next 50 years again. Don’t you see why I think you are being funny? I lost it at (2).
November 28th, 2005 at 11:08 amDanny K you have been Proved WRONG ALREADY, LOL.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:09 amSure Democrats Lie, EVERY POLITICIAN LIES!!!!! –Aj
“Aside from my sheer stupidity I urgently listen to Rush.â€
-toejamaig
November 28th, 2005 at 11:10 amAnd that Folks is HOW you
WHACK-A-TROLL YAY!
November 28th, 2005 at 11:14 amSay Bye Bye Now Danny K, Change your name and come back later Muuuuhahahaa.–Aj
Dear Wwallace,
Seeing as you have been such a bright shining beacon of Intelligence, thoughtfullness and share in the joy and the well-being of Others I have Joined your Group of Brownshirts.
Now of course being in your latent racist group, I am Superior to YOU and NOW the Group has decided that you aren’t Blood Cult Christian Enough, and as you have taken it upon yourself, and your ILK, to be the final judge of others on this Planet, we have Judged you Wwallace to be lacking in the area of Fascist Hitlerian Bushcon ways, Since I, Pat Robertson,have annointed ME as GODS Speaker, I, GOD, PAT, herefore condemn Wwallace to Hell.
Signed -Pat ‘Blow you up’ Robertson.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:16 am#12 – the post was not about the reasons for war. The post was about how Democrats hate that Bush is a better pol than his father.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:18 amThe post was about how Democrats hate that Bush is a better pol than his father.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma — November 28, 2005 @ 11:18 am
Try asking all the dead civilians and american soldiers if Bush 2 is smarter than Bush 1; oh, I forgot, you can’t because they’re DEAD!
So you admit that Bush 1 is the reason we’re even talking about terrorists – because he failed to free the Iraqi people when he had a chance. So refreshing to hear a conservative own up to past mistakes.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:32 amUnjustified, Illegal, Immoral, Stupid, Foolish President! Point Blank!
November 28th, 2005 at 11:34 am#19 – this wasn’t about the reason for war. People die in wars – liberals don’t seem to understand that. People also die when we fight wars half-assed like we did in 1991. Our weakness invited terror. But, you wouldn’t understand that so it’s not worth debating. Continue with your Bush bashing please.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:34 amAs we know now – everything is political with Bush/Rove.
Only that 3-ring circus in Texas was easy to handle for Karl. He never thought he’d be doing hard time in Leavenworth when it was over.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:36 am#21
Doesn’t the bible say something about worshipping false idols, Danny?
Yer goin’ to hell, buddy.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:36 am# 18
A better pol with an approval rating under 40 percent?
And this with three long years to go.
Remember over at the White House they are wishing for another massive terrorist attack to bring up their poll numbers… this is the man you have faith in? I hope you choose your friends and associates a bit more wisely…
I know you hate liberals with a visceral intimacy akin to lust. Nevertheless, I am a friendly, smart, and easily approached human being. Who knows… maybe we’d LIKE each other, were we to meet in a less contentious environment? Like to think so.
So… much friendship and respect despite our differences,
the GTL
November 28th, 2005 at 11:38 amWhat a bunch of crybaby losers and liars the Democrats are. First is was….Bush lied to us….now its…we didn’t have enough time to depoliticize the issue. What that means is they have come up with another excuse for their war vote to tell their anti-American paying political supporters at home and abroad so the money doesn’t dry up before 06 elections. Democrats are cowards and they are liars. Period.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:40 amRepublicans -Traitors “r Us
November 28th, 2005 at 11:41 amAnd you, IRI, are a vile Nazi. A sampling of IRIs recent best:
IRI on the Chinese: “I don’t think much of the Red Chinese. I find it helps to dehumanize them when considering that one of these days we’re going to kill over a billion of them. I feel the same way about rabid homosexual leftists like you too”
November 28th, 2005 at 11:45 am#18, Neddy, a better policitian does not a better president make – exhibit b – Bill Clinton. Amurkan democracy has ‘evolved’ to a point where it seems impossible for anything other than a Bill Clinton or a George W. Bush to reach the top – I seem to remember Rome had this sort of problem near the end too.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:48 amScuse me using the word ‘evolve’. I know you are not from Kansas so I can use it without being excommunicated.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:50 amTerry, remember in school, when one kid just sat and doodled when the teacher was speaking, and if you saw his doodles it looked like a battlefield scene with bullets flying and planes exploding in midair, and dead soldiers everywhere? IRI is that kid – only now he uses a keyboard instead of crayons.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:53 amAnd you, IRI, are a vile Nazi. A sampling of IRIs recent best:
IRI on the Chinese: “I don’t think much of the Red Chinese. I find it helps to dehumanize them when considering that one of these days we’re going to kill over a billion of them. I feel the same way about rabid homosexual leftists like you tooâ€
Comment by Terrytheturtle
That’s racism to you? You must be one of those overly sensitive black, Arab or feminist Turtles always looking for an insult. Or maybe you just love the Chi’coms, sexual degenerates and Arab head choppers?
November 28th, 2005 at 12:01 pm“Bush gives better pol than his father.
-NED
November 28th, 2005 at 12:01 pm“[I]Love sexual Arab head”
-IRI
November 28th, 2005 at 12:02 pm#31 thanks for giving us all another glimpse into your dark, sick, fascist mind.
November 28th, 2005 at 12:02 pmYes, Terry,
IRI got’s some serious problems. If we keep him in here he is at least off the streets.
November 28th, 2005 at 12:07 pmATVV – not if IRI has discovered wireless…
November 28th, 2005 at 12:19 pmI’ll bet IRI can’t afford wireless.
November 28th, 2005 at 12:42 pmNazis aside, point #1 on this post is the one to study – not enough time to understand the intelligence, no time for anyone to see the raw intelligence assessments, to see past Doug ‘Stupid’ Feith’s politicized ‘intelligence’. The vote was taken on incomplete information at best, lies at worst.
November 28th, 2005 at 12:44 pmI-R-I’s hynie must be bright red by now, with the spanking you guys are giving him!
November 28th, 2005 at 12:55 pm………although, he may actually be liking it………
eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
MizzWrong (like Bush) is a typical psychopath. She’s incapable of processing any information that doesn’t already fit her preconceptions. And any attempt to bring that information to her is met with a ‘violent’ response. It’s typical of someone with her pathology.
November 28th, 2005 at 1:18 pmDon’t forget the North Korean angle to the war vote.
The NK admitted they restarted a nuke program a few days before the vote and the Bush Administration sat on the information until four or five days after the vote.
Worth looking into. Hersh has mentioned it once.
November 28th, 2005 at 1:29 pm“…a typical psychopath…typical of someone with her pathology.”
So says your Psychology 101 professor so it MUST be true, huh?
Does it never occur to you that by pompously declaiming as to the “typical pathology” of someone you have never met, you look like a jackass?
Guess not.
November 28th, 2005 at 1:50 pmThat’s racism to you? You must be one of those overly sensitive black, Arab or feminist Turtles always looking for an insult.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 28, 2005 @ 12:01 pm
I-RIGHT-I is absolutely right to be offended: That quote does not do him any justice. Let’s go back to his original post:
(…)fix the slime ball Eurolosers, the Murdering Red Chimpanese and mob of third world shit hole countries in Africa and S. America (…)
Comment by I-RIgHT-I — November 26, 2005 @ 5:53 pm
He called the Chinese “Chimpanese” and then said : “I find it helps to dehumanize them when considering that one of these days we’re going to kill over a billion of them.” -considering China’s population hovers at around 1.4 billion people, I-RIGHT-I was saying mass murder is ok with him.
So, it was genocide he was talking about, not racism.
C’mon Terry, get your facts straight.
November 28th, 2005 at 1:53 pmI’ll bet IRI can’t afford wireless.
Comment by Average TV Viewer
I’ve had a radio for years.
November 28th, 2005 at 1:56 pmAre you in favor of foreign spies on US soil? Is this what the Neo-CON / GOP agenda stands for?
Speak up!
Comment by plunger
Clinton had the Red Chimpanese Army spying and bribing from the Lincoln bedroom. But that’s OK as long as it’s Clinton and the spies are Chinese Communists and not Joooooz, right Hans?
November 28th, 2005 at 2:00 pm#49, tomaig
No, the only ones sounding like idiots here are you trolls.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:02 pmDoes it never occur to you that by pompously declaiming as to the “typical pathology†of someone you have never met, you look like a jackass?
Guess not.
Comment by tomaig
We don’t call them Donks for nothing.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:13 pmYou sound paranoid toejam.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:15 pmWould you like to talk about it, toejam?
November 28th, 2005 at 2:16 pm#50, thanks Gregor, you are right (as in correct) – my mistake.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:30 pm#42 (grin), me thinks IRI likes the Abuse, although its Kinda like beating a Dead Horse -Aj
November 28th, 2005 at 2:32 pmLOL NeD, Jr is a Better Liar than his Father?
Ohh sorry, you meant politician?
Whats the Difference?
Define Politics NeD.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:43 pmNow, care to answer the ACTUAL Question about the Dancing Israelis caught and found to be Mossad agents celebrating on 9/11 as the towers fell?
Comment by plunger
Sure, I’ll take a stab at it. Much is made of the dancing Jooooz. They were school kids as I recall and the Nazi right and the commie left in this country tried to turn them in to Mossad. That’s a laugh. But it doesn’t make any difference. Why? Because the way I see it if I were an Israeli and saw those planes hit the towers I’d know immediately who was behind it just as I a WASP American knew when I saw it on TV that morning. The difference between me and the Israelis though is as an American until that day I didn’t have any first hand experience with terrorists blowing up buildings and killing innocent people right in my own backyard.
If I was an Israeli watching this happen to a left wing Israel hating terrorist appeasing city like NYC I’d be just a little smug and self satisfied. I might even do a little dance.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:56 pmI love how none of these trolls are over defending Cunningham in the other threads.
Hey trolls,
We are talking trash about one of your guys. He is on the intellegence subcomittee. Somebody you shoul dcare about.
Did I mention that he plead guilty to accepting bribes and tax evasion.
Now how did the Filthy Left get him to plead guilty. It has to be a conspiracy. They put a tinfoil hat on him a nd brainwashed him.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:58 pm“They were school kids as I recall and the Nazi right and the commie left in this country tried to turn them in to Mossad.”
Cool, I-RIGHT-I just admitted to being a Nazi.
November 28th, 2005 at 2:59 pmHey, Adolf? What did Timothy McVeigh do – let off a bunch of ballons in Oklahoma City? Funy how terrorists, freedom fighters and patriots get mixed up in your dark mind. I hear you and Mighty A don’t see eye-to-eye on the ‘Jewish question’ – care to comment?
November 28th, 2005 at 3:01 pmI love how none of these trolls are over defending Cunningham in the other threads.
Hey trolls,
We are talking trash about one of your guys. He is on the intellegence subcomittee. Somebody you shoul dcare about.
Did I mention that he plead guilty to accepting bribes and tax evasion.
Now how did the Filthy Left get him to plead guilty. It has to be a conspiracy. They put a tinfoil hat on him a nd brainwashed him.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
If he’s a crook and a thief I won’t defend him. But I notice when one of yours gets caught with his pee-pee in the pepper patch you losers make a hero of him and buy his book. That’s why we win. That’s why we’re better than you.
November 28th, 2005 at 3:03 pm“If he’s a crook and a thief I won’t defend him.”
Then why do you defend the Bush administration.
And once again, who cares about a blow job?
I don’t. Kenn Starr’s investigation into a blow job caused the US to be a laughing stock and now Bushie is adding to it.
Maybe you need a blow job. Why don’t you ask your boyfriend for one.
November 28th, 2005 at 3:08 pmIf he’s a crook and a thief I won’t… notice…[I]… pee-pee.
-IRI
November 28th, 2005 at 3:12 pmKenn Starr’s investigation into a blow job caused the US to be a laughing stock and now Bushie is adding to it.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Who cares what the Zeropeans think? I don’t. As a culture they are as good as dead and a lot of that has to do with their attitudes about leaders who cheat on their wives, lie and give state secretes away to the Communists. (among other things)
Your problem is simple Spudge, you don’t know nor care about what is right and what is wrong, the difference and why it matters. Your buddy BJ Clinton didn’t care either and look what happened to him; impeached.
November 28th, 2005 at 3:32 pmIf he’s a crook and a thief I won’t… notice…[I]… pee-pee.
-IRI
Comment by Average TV Viewer
You’d think a bright ten year old like yourself wouldn’t have to edit my sentences to get something worth bitching about.
November 28th, 2005 at 3:33 pmI hear you and Mighty A don’t see eye-to-eye on the ‘Jewish question’ – care to comment?
Comment by Terrytheturtle —
I doubt you can do it but tell me in a nutshell what my position is on the “Jewish Question” and how it differs from hers. I don’t think I’ve ever read her opinion.
November 28th, 2005 at 3:36 pmLet’s see now, what could be ‘right’ about advocating genocide? “I find it helps to dehumanize them when considering that one of these days we’re going to kill over a billion of them.†– IRI’s Chinese policy.
Oh you mean THAT ‘right’, Adolf!
November 28th, 2005 at 3:40 pm“I doubt you can… tell. I don’t think I’ve ever read.”
-IRI
November 28th, 2005 at 3:43 pmActually you have defined your opinion on the ‘Jewish question’ all by yourself:
This is insane. One one hand Bush didn’t do enough to prevent 9-11 and on the other he’s doing too much to prevent another one while not doing enough to prevent another Katrina. The Left Wing Jew who runs that LA paper should be hung up by his balls if he had any. Ditto the rest of you losers.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 19, 2005 @ 3:33 pm
Left wing non religious Jews are the problem. Period. I wonder if the Germans had the same problem with y’all?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — October 20, 2005 @ 4:04 pm
This is interesting stuff I-R-I – http://nopc.antares-dev.com/yabbse/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=6711 there’s this little gem:
“What is important is to expose those who are the “Jews” of today. Who is it that wants to destroy Christianity? Who is it that says Christians are the enemy? Who is it that persecutes Christians and demeans Christian values and principles at every opportunity? When you can find them you’ll find the real culprit.” I-Right-I April 3, 2004
I believe MA is in fact Jewish and has a slightly different opinion, I may be wrong there…
November 28th, 2005 at 3:54 pm“Zeropeans”?
November 28th, 2005 at 3:54 pmIsn’t that a symptom of an enlarged prostate?
#65 – “I hear you and Mighty A don’t see eye-to-eye on the ‘Jewish question’ – care to comment?” – Turtle
****Turtle, if you slow down a bit , you may be more thorough in your reading comprehension. Any disagreements we might have is a long way from the lock steppers of the left. (A REAL newsflash for Dems would have been “Congressman So & So, recognizing the threat of radical Muslims, joins President Bush in calling for total victory.” We are in agreement about our hatred of spies – from ANY country. I-R-I concisely notes that progs never seem to worry about Chinese spying during Mr. Bill’s term but that’s to be expected with over a thousands of communist sympathizers “teaching” on college campuses today.
To the thread: Think Pessimism, you’re only 3 years late reporting this??? The reason Dems lost in ‘04 (after two years of non-stop lib whining) is because that poster boy for wimp-men Tommy Daschle helped project what a weak, impotent party you have. Must be a sl;ow news day. Astute prog interns would have criticized the President’s speech in Arizona re: wanting to keep Dems latest “victims” from polls – illegal aliens.
November 28th, 2005 at 3:57 pmC’mon, I-R-I,
your ass must be burning red by now.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:00 pm#5 – Action, please tell me you went to poor, urban schools – it’ll buy you a pass on your ignorance – just this once.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:03 pm“Bush Was Rushing to WAR because he knew he had little Evidence.” – A. Jackson
*****He had the same evidence many of your “heroes” (HA!) had – Mr. Bill, his brilliant bride, the sober portion of the US Senate, sober and drunken French and Russians. Your “arguments” are pathetic.
#76 ‘locksteppers of the left’ – that’s funny MA. If there was an effective representation of the people in this country Chimpy wouldn’t have been able to do what he did. The gutless reaction of congressional dems at the start of this thread is a factor, the very fragmentation of the opposition to Bush ruthlessly exploited by Bush. Anyway, you never confirmed for me what you thought of IRIs ‘Christ killer’ position – are you saying I need to backtrack TPs archives?
November 28th, 2005 at 4:07 pmThis is interesting stuff I-R-I – http://nopc.antares-dev.com/ yabbse/ index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=6711 there’s this little gem:
“What is important is to expose those who are the “Jews†of today. Who is it that wants to destroy Christianity? Who is it that says Christians are the enemy? Who is it that persecutes Christians and demeans Christian values and principles at every opportunity? When you can find them you’ll find the real culprit.†I-Right-I April 3, 2004
I believe MA is in fact Jewish and has a slightly different opinion, I may be wrong there…
Comment by Terrytheturtle
Nice catch. Too bad you don’t know what it means. You’re the kind of guy who puts his ear to the door and catches half the conversation then goes out and blabs.
The Goddess may be Jewish but a left wing Jew she is not.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
I despise Left Wing Jews in the same way I despise Liberation Catholics and Right Wing Nazi Lost Tribe Christians. Unless you’ve fooled me Turtle you’re not quite up to speed on any of that terminology and therefore unable to contribute much to this area of inquiry.
By the way…welcome to NoPC.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:10 pm‘locksteppers of the left’
is funny.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:10 pmBTW -how is former Senator Daschle enjoying his “retirement”?
November 28th, 2005 at 4:11 pm#79, er McFly, anyone home? Which of these luminaries actually invaded Iraq with ‘the same evidence’? ‘Er, what is none? Alex’. Since none of the significant ‘evidence’ proved true, you might think that they didn’t invade because they didn’t think they needed too?
And by the way, only the Chimp and his organ grinder, had the Sep 21st PDB debunking the Al Qaeda link: http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/11/1722364_comment.php
Check your facts MA, it’s embarrassing for you.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:13 pmAnyway, you never confirmed for me what you thought of IRIs ‘Christ killer’ position – are you saying I need to backtrack TPs archives?
Comment by Terrytheturtle
Oh, I missed this. You are either terminally stupid or an intentional liar. I do not maintain that Jews are Christ killers. The discussion makes that clear unless of course you are terminally stupid or a liar.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:14 pmDaschle’s a wierdo. And ANY argument can be won using the Bible.(But you can’t keep anything won with the bible).
November 28th, 2005 at 4:15 pmTurtle – out of all the interesting points I made the only one you could take umbrage with is “locksteppers of the left”??? Did you attend contemporary public schools with Action?
November 28th, 2005 at 4:17 pmCommunists? What decade are you living in?
Comment by plunger
I’m living in the decade immediately following the one where President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton sold out his country to a rabid Red Chinese Communist regime with a 200 million man army and the intention of starting a nuclear war that they believe they can win. Bill gave them the machine tools to produce advanced ICBMs and the technology to arm them with multiple warheads capable of hitting as many targets. This they did not have prior to Bill accepting campaign contributions from the Red Chinese Army representatives that he had sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:20 pmIf you weren’t quoting the bible all the time I’d believe you, IRI. You’re just another quack whose opinions are only self-serving.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:23 pm“I’m living in…the Lincoln bedroom.”
-IRI
November 28th, 2005 at 4:25 pmBahaha, sold out his country? Bahahah, that’s even more insane than the things you normally say.
Do you have any PROOF of your claims? Of course not.
What a whacko you are MizzWrong. Your repressed homosexuality has repressed the part of your brain that also can discern reality. You live in a fantasy world of your own making..
I guess you didn’t see bush in the little Mao jacket recently – how soon the republicans forget that it was republican corporate interests that used the Commerce Department to lower export restrictions to China. You want to blame Clinton, but this is ENTIRELY the fault of american corporate business interests who used the role of the CD as a ‘promoter of business’ to sell advanced technologies to China for american profits. And this is NOT a Clinton problem, the same complaints had already been levied against BushI for allowing the CD to export high tech to china when he was in office.
If you really want to complain, then complain about the corporatism (eg. fascism) that ties together american companies to our politics and makes this possible. Your very value system is in fact to blame heir NAXI!
Bahahaha – LUNATIC!
November 28th, 2005 at 4:29 pm“If I was an Israeli watching this happen to a left wing Israel hating terrorist appeasing city like NYC I’d be just a little smug and self satisfied. I might even do a little dance.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I ”
This is a psychotic and hateful response. To dance at the deaths of the lives of others is what you and MightyMoron have repeatedly done. You and the rest of your NeoCon Nazi Zionist freaks are in the same pool of idiocy as the islamic terrorists. You’re all whacko dangerous terrorists and lunatics. People like you should be medicated and placed into padded rooms to protect society, you have no place roaming the streets freely. You are a danger to yourself and society you whacko!
November 28th, 2005 at 4:36 pmIf you weren’t quoting the bible all the time I’d believe you, IRI. You’re just another quack whose opinions are only self-serving.
Comment by Average TV Viewer
Kidz your age are liable to believe anything so I wouldn’t feel all that great if you tried to give me high fives for my opinion.
The Bible is a wonderful source of truth and insight into the human condition. If and when you grow to be a rational thinking human try reading it. You may be surprised how much you’ll learn.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:38 pm“I despise Left Wing Jews in the same way I despise Liberation Catholics and Right Wing Nazi Lost Tribe Christians. Unless you’ve fooled me Turtle you’re not quite up to speed on any of that terminology and therefore unable to contribute much to this area of inquiry.
By the way…welcome to NoPC.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I ”
MizzWrong is one of the Opus Dei faithful. Retarded and entirely ignorant of the bible or its meaning. He only knows the passages of the bible that support the opus dei whacko beliefs, but none of the countless ones that contract their insanity. He’s a typical religious zealot – a clear sign of schizophrenia. But he also claims that the APA is an untrustworthy organization (conveniently) as to throw off the fact that he’d be locked up as clinically insane if a psychiatrist ever interviewed him/her in person.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:40 pm“The Bible is a wonderful source of truth and insight into the human condition. If and when you grow to be a rational thinking human try reading it. You may be surprised how much you’ll learn.” MizzWrong
Is the truth the part that says the earth is flat, that it’s 8000 years old, or that woman was made from a rib? What about that we’re from eden and can never return, although eden is just an overrun valley in Turkey that’s full of shanty towns.
What part of the bible is true again? Is it the part that warns people from the ‘radicals’ and ‘pagans’ who stand on the stree corner professing their religion all the while living an evil and hateful life (that would be you). The folks who ‘profess’ religion as an absolute are ALWAYS the ones who possess no morality. It’s an axiom of life.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:43 pmThis is a psychotic and hateful response. To dance at the deaths of the lives of others is what you and MightyMoron have repeatedly done.
Comment by Ryan “FMFB” Neat
Not at all. But as I recall most of the Arab world did dance when we got hit. They danced in the streets and murdered a few Christians and Jews to celebrate the occasion. Those are your friends, not mine.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:52 pmI’ve read it. The bible is a psychotic’s panacea. All the Abraham garbage is. Truth is, the bible doesn’t do anything for you except make you FEEL better. And that’s not going to help run the country. Take your tired nonesense elsewhere, IRI.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:57 pm#6 — for the record: Nobody hates like the Right hates.
November 28th, 2005 at 4:59 pm“The Goddess may be Jewish but a left wing Jew she is not.” – - I-RIGHT-I
***** RIGHT again, I-R-I! Left wing Jews (here and abroad) fall all over themselves apologizing for living – Right thinking American Jews are grateful to live in this WONDERFUL country. Right thinking Ameican Jews in Israel voted (by absentee ballot) in overwhelming support for President Bush. Many anti- Jewish KKK’ers take Bebe Netanyahu’s quote out of context(”This is good news for Israel”). You may wish to note that my hero, Winston Churchill, saw the “sad opportunity” for the US to overtly join the war effort that FDR had PROMISED not to join. England had been battling the Nazi’s valiantly but were in dire need of our help. (Good-bye lend-lease program – thank-you US military!)
I-R-I called it right when he described progs inability to ascribe the title evil to that which is truly evil. I remember Mr. Bill telling the world what a “forward thinker” Jiang Zemen was. (I hardly call the architect of the Tianemem Square crackdown a forward thinker.) I guess that’s why Vlad Lenin described anti-American progs as “useful idiots”.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:00 pm“Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
I despise Left Wing Jews in the same way I despise Liberation Catholics and Right Wing Nazi Lost Tribe Christians.”MizzAlwaysWrong
See, that’s what happens when you let a retarded republican chimp quote the bible. Not only do they don’t know what they’re quoting, they don’t know what it means. Israel was always a mix of jews and non-jews, because israel was stolen from the phoenecians and philestines by the jews (it’s documented in exodus). All this passage refers to is the fact that much of judea was non-jew. And yet, you find a way to make it an anti-semitic reading that lets you attack jews you don’t agree with. What a scumbag moron you are!
November 28th, 2005 at 5:02 pm#101 – “… for the record: Nobody hates like the Right hates.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:04 pmComment by Charlie M — November 28, 2005 @ 4:59 pm”
*****Thamk you for your insight, Mr. Manson. But you had better brush up on your history. The casualties of the Fascist right were only overshadowed in number by the communist Left. Are you old enough to play here?
bigot. yea you! you know who I’m talking about & you are a bigot.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:04 pm#85, I’m not a liar and apparently not so stupid: you actually did come out and give us your position – just took a little encouragement. Thanks for clarifying. Now maybe you can tell us if the Israelis building a wall in Palestine and moving their capitol to Jerusalem is a necessary part of the Second Coming and therefore should that be a foreign policy goal of the United States, yes or no?
November 28th, 2005 at 5:05 pm“Not at all. But as I recall most of the Arab world did dance when we got hit. They danced in the streets and murdered a few Christians and Jews to celebrate the occasion. Those are your friends, not mine.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I”
Actually it IS a psychotic response, no matter who has it. They may not be your friends, but they’re your kind. The fact is I condemn ALL human beings who do this as immoral – and that ESPECIALLY means people like you that should know better. You were raised in america, and presumably with american values. For you to divorce yourself of those values, and accept the barbaric and immoral values of Nazi-ism and christofascism is unacceptable and evil. You are a fool, and an unreligious idiot.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:05 pmI thought the true part of the bible was the part where it talks about dragons.
Revelation 12
1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.
3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.
4 His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.
6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
I wanna go on a dragon ride. That would be cool.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:05 pmLiberation Theology Catholics and Left Wing Jews are cousins – both are Marxists (some even pretend to be religious!)
November 28th, 2005 at 5:06 pm“Liberation Theology Catholics and Left Wing Jews are cousins – both are Marxists (some even pretend to be religious!)
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Bahaha, that’s really retarded – thanks for the laugh…
By your definition Christ was a marxist, interesting to hear that you’re also also anti-christian along with being anti-muslim.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:11 pmOh MA, #76. I agree with your assessment of Mr Daschle – his record of effective opposition in congress was poor. The rest, I’m not sure you made a point I can respond to – something about ‘reds under the bed’. Chinese industrial spying is par for the course, these days, same as piracy etc – it will only matter if corporate Amurka is impacted. As for Israeli AIPAC spying, what’s that about? How do you explain that? I chose the ‘lockstep’ comment because it was funny, that’s all.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:12 pm#85 – Dear Turtle – No wonder you’re info gathering is so dishonest – linking to indymedia is akin to conservatives linking GOPac. Pathetic…
November 28th, 2005 at 5:16 pm“Since none of the significant ‘evidence’ proved true, you might think that they didn’t invade because they didn’t think they needed too?”- Turdle
****When did they discover there were no WMD’s in-country?? Your argument is a dishonest as your heroes.
Spudge,
I want to see it when the dragon sweeps those tiny stars onto the ground. They must be shiny laying in the grass…
Yeah, anyone who ‘literally’ believes that book is just another whacko like MizzWrong. They’re repressing their cerebral cortex and replacing it with harry potter. He plays with dragons too :)
November 28th, 2005 at 5:16 pm“****When did they discover there were no WMD’s in-country?? Your argument is a dishonest as your heroes.
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Well, you are retarded, and clearly have trouble reading english so this BIG NEWS escaping you wouldn’t be surprising. Not only has EVERY weapons inspector said this, but the brits have admitted to knowing it all along…
Silly wabbat, arguments are for adults who can wead!
TONY BLAIR privately conceded two weeks before the Iraq war that Saddam Hussein did not have any usable weapons of mass destruction, Robin Cook, the former foreign secretary, reveals today.
John Scarlett, chairman of the joint intelligence committee (JIC), also “assented” that Saddam had no such weapons, says Cook.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:18 pmYeah Hermaphrodite, can you explain why so many jewish americans seem to be involved in spying for israel, justifying attacking sovereign nations with false evidence, and generally betraying america? Is it a conspiracy, or are some of you just too retarded to realize you’re americans and not israelis? I mean, as much as I love Ireland, I know I’m an american, and my loyalties lie here. I don’t get that from you. I get traitor when I talk to you…
November 28th, 2005 at 5:20 pm#110- “By your definition Christ was a marxist, interesting to hear that you’re also also anti-christian along with being anti-muslim.” – RyANNie *****Only you would think Jesus Christ was a political leader. As an apolitical rabbi concerned with religiosity, he would NEVER embrace the Marxism espoused by errant Catholic Liberation theologists. Do you recall Pope John Paul II railing against Marxist Catholic priests in Central qand South America? Please come back when you can argue A POINT – not make up your own. Your sudpidity is embarrassing your mother.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:30 pmRyan,
My favorite part is 12:4
“His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.”
Those stars are bigger than Earth, much like our star known as Sol. You can fit something like 22 billion Earths inside our sun.
This stuff was written back when people thought the stars were pinholes in the sky and comets were firey chariots being driven by the sun god Ra.
How about 12:5?
“She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.”
If god is all powerful, why will he have to “snatched” up by god. Can’t he just blast the dragon into little dragon bits. Are the writers of the bible saying that there is a dragon out there that is as powerful as god?
November 28th, 2005 at 5:31 pm“If god is all powerful, why will he have to “snatched†up by god.”
Should be
“If god is all powerful, why will he have to “snatch†up this child.”
November 28th, 2005 at 5:32 pm#111 Sorry, seems to be the National Journal, not Indymedia: http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1122nj1.htm. I used that as an exmaple that congress did not have the same ‘intelligence’ as the Chimp and his organ grinder. You fail to disprove my statement.
On the ’significant evidence’ I guess you don’t have to take my word for it, you can always read Charles Duefler’s report, the UN report, or perhaps you’d like to supply the evidence that there were WMD in Iraq at the time of the invasion (besides the US MK77s and DU shells, that is).
November 28th, 2005 at 5:33 pmThese two idiots have totally taken over the post and deflected the attention from Chimp-Boy to who knows more about the Bible.
It’s time to ignore them and get back to finding out how to get rid of the Boy King.
They simply are not worth it.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:34 pmRyannie – Please explain to me how Bill, Hellary, Al Gore, JFKerry could have gotten it so wrong? You want the definition of “trailer trash” (I apologize in advance to any red-blooded Americans living in trailers) – former Presidents Clinton and Cardigan “bad-mothing” the current President – bad form!! I don’t recall well-mannered former Republican Presidents acting so uncouthly.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:36 pmAnd finally back on track, I find Daschle’s revelations unimportant, frankly and Daschle’s role in this disaster unrehabilitatable. But then he was just the minority leader, not the President.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:36 pm#119, I’m not sure that flushing I-R-I into taking some clear position over there by Attila the Hun wasn’t worth it. Its funny how we always end up discussing various aspects of Bible-justified genocide and Apocalyptic myth with these people. Tells you a lot about what you are up against, TB
“Know your enemy” – Sun Tzu
November 28th, 2005 at 5:40 pm“Ryannie – Please explain to me how Bill, Hellary, Al Gore, JFKerry could have gotten it so wrong? You want the definition of “trailer trash†(I apologize in advance to any red-blooded Americans living in trailers) – former Presidents Clinton and Cardigan “bad-mothing†the current President – bad form!! I don’t recall well-mannered former Republican Presidents acting so uncouthly.
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
That’s what happens when your Zionist Israeli NeoCon Nazi Buddy Feith fabricates intelligence findings. It causes lots of folks to ‘get it wrong’.
As for Clinton being criticized by former presidents, why should he be. Unlike Shrub, Clinton was competent. ShrubCo is like Kind Midas, except everything he touches turns to turds. Something tells me it’s a trait you share.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:43 pmAnd MightyHermaphrodite, why do you keep skirting the obvious role of Israel in this deceit and illegal war? Your fellow zionist Nazi/NeoCon Feith has already been found by an internal pentagon investigation to be guilty of ‘cherrypicking’ and ‘altering’ intelligence findings to justify attacking Iraq.
It seems every stone we overturn, pops up either a christian or a jewish NeoCon zionist. Why are you guys such traitors? Is it part of the oath of PNAC?
November 28th, 2005 at 5:45 pmI think I’ve cracked it I-R-I. To help you find the ‘left wing non-religious Jews’, perhaps we could persuade them to wear their yellow stars on their left arms and not their right, in your brave new reich?
November 28th, 2005 at 5:52 pm#120
“I don’t recall well-mannered former Republican Presidents acting so uncouthly.”
Wow, you don’t even pay attention to what Bush Boy says. He took a shot at Clinton, his dad and Regean. Pay attention, Georgie is your man, not ours.
November 28th, 2005 at 5:54 pm#111 – Turdle – You have a weird sense humour…”lockstep” is a term you like to ascribe to conservatives – but you seem to forget the great marchers in the Red Army!! Give credit where credit is due! If you think the greatest impact of Chinese Communist spying affect corporate American trade issues – have I got the appointment for you in the NEXT Democratic cabinet!!!
****#114-”Robin Cook, the former foreign secretary,” who has had an anti-war agenda since day one “reveals today…” Just correcting Ryanne’s obvious half-truth.
True Blue is RIGHT!! When conservatives criticize a point made by young interns, rabid libs lob persaonal attacks and deflect the argument. To get back on thread, many conservatives think:
November 28th, 2005 at 5:56 pma.) Tom Daschle helped Dems loose more seats in the Senate with his limp-wrist terror policy. Terrorists had every reason to believe America was apaper tiger -Mr. Bill and President Cardigan were not convincing defenders or warriors. (But they were sensitive and they did feel our pain.)
b.) real men were NOT emulating Tom Daschle’s soft spoken manner of delivery.
c.) Tom Daschle was so whiny as a kid his Mom was thrilled when he moved to Washington – he was too annoying to listen to.
d.) Think Pessimism, like most progs is last to arrive and first to leave – typical.
Bush also asked Daschle to limit Sept. 11 probes:
November 28th, 2005 at 6:01 pmhttp://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/
“You have a weird sense humour…â€lockstep†is a term you like to ascribe to conservatives – but you seem to forget the great marchers in the Red Army!! Give credit where credit is due! If you think the greatest impact of Chinese Communist spying affect corporate American trade issues – have I got the appointment for you in the NEXT Democratic cabinet!!!”
That’s a stupid statement.
“â€Robin Cook, the former foreign secretary,†who has had an anti-war agenda since day one “reveals today…†Just correcting Ryanne’s obvious half-truth.”
Bahaha, really? Hey retardeYou forgot to read the rest of the quote, “John Scarlett, chairman of the joint intelligence committee (JIC), also “assented†that Saddam had no such weapons, says Cook.”
So just because he’s ‘anti-war’, you believe that means he’s wrong? See that’s the problem with whackos like you, since you dismiss anyone you disagree with, the ‘facts’ are relegated to just the misinformation that’s misfed to you by the ‘lockstep’ goosestep fascist news feeds you listen to.
“b.) real men were NOT emulating Tom Daschle’s soft spoken manner of delivery.”
You really should look up ‘anxious masculinity’, it explains the whole overcompensation that republican men/women like you do because you don’t have a clear sense of what masculinity actually is.
In otherwords, you is cookoo foh cocoa puffs gurlfriend.
November 28th, 2005 at 6:02 pmIt is very revealing that this thread, which began as a discussion of the rush to war, has spiraled into a ‘liberal wankers’ versus ‘right-wing nutbags’ verbal warscape, replete with bible verse references and colorful hate speech cleverly disguised as dialectic debate.
Please, let me take a stab at it:
President Bush and his cronies are utterly incompotent morons who have have traditionally used their privelege to make it appear as though ‘failure’ is in fact ’success’. Republicans are retards who are so scared of hell that they will use the silliness of the bible, which in fact has two creation stories, as “evidence” for anything and everything.
Democrats are spineless commies with no record to stand by except that they are terrible at vote fraud and their leaders are fake war hero bastards. Most democrats are god-hating fags or liberal jews trying to destroy America.
How’d I do?
November 28th, 2005 at 6:03 pmAnd MightyHermpahrodite,
You never answered my question of how you can hate liberals so much, when you owe both your lifestyle and career to their efforts. Isn’t that a bit like being a jewish nazi – hey wait, you’re one of those too! Wow you sure are stupid!
And what about the zionist spies – how long have you believed that betraying america for the benefit of israel was worth being a traitor to the nation that gave you your entire existence?
November 28th, 2005 at 6:04 pmGebra, that’s a good synopsis, but the republican part is true, and the attack on democrats is entire disproven by facts. That’s the problem. Republicans have opinions and ‘feel’ they are right, Democrats have idea, and research them to ‘know’ what’s right…
It’s the difference between dogma and enlightment.
November 28th, 2005 at 6:06 pm#115 – “…can you explain why so many jewish americans seem to be involved in spying for israel, justifying attacking sovereign nations with false evidence, and generally betraying america?” – Ryanne
November 28th, 2005 at 6:08 pm****Your argument sounds like something Herr Goebbels might have constructed. Sadly, a few jews have been convicted of spying for Israel – I DO NOT support clemency for them. More importantly (and more heart-breaking) are the number of secular Jews who spied for the Soviet Union. Karl Marx was a Jew to be ashamed of.
#127, MA,
I was talking of YOUR interruptions, rants, talking points,etc.
Thank you for confirming that you should all be ignored because you are delusional and will deflect away from the REAL issues to keep yourself from seeing the truth.
ICK!!! Me being made part of your rant and hatred is too much………..
November 28th, 2005 at 6:08 pmI need a shower……….
#127, you’ve missed my point: US corporate trade issues, the US defense industry and the US government are one and the same – the Chinese see it that way and are also set up this way – it is called fascism. We’re talking about one fascist nation spying on another – correct me if I’m wrong but flying snooper planes in and out of Chinese airspace might piss them off, don’t you think? Anyway, I don’t differentiate between Clinton and Bush when it comes to China – if it is good for business, it seems quite alright to both of them. Seems the ‘human rights’ pressure on the Chinese is a weak argument these days, when you’ve got your own gulag and putting your own citizens in prision without trial its a bit of ‘pot kettle black’ all round.
BTW, I wouldn’t work for the US government – far too corrupt and incompetent. Didn’t understand the Robin Cook point either…sorry. Who doesn’t have an anti-war agenda? Right enough of this thread, I’m off.
November 28th, 2005 at 6:10 pmMost agreed, True Blue. If MA and IRI are the posterchildren for the christian coalition, they would make great ads for how NOT to be American. Maybe doing some background checks on them, photographing them going into their respective ‘churches’ while sounding their oh so sorry commentary could provide some horrifically defining examples of what we DON’T want this nation to carry forth in the future.
It’s unfortunate how much time and intelligence is wasted conversing with these unfortunate individuals (IRI, MA). These types of personalities enjoy obtaining attention even if they have to say the worst filth about anyone or anything. Don’t they want you to be a christian just like they are? Hahahaha; a little dark humor there! Ahhhh, but I’ve wasted too much time on them anyway.
It would be nice if we could all exercise tolerance and simply ignore them.
November 28th, 2005 at 6:15 pm“Your argument sounds like something Herr Goebbels might have constructed. Sadly, a few jews have been convicted of spying for Israel – I DO NOT support clemency for them. More importantly (and more heart-breaking) are the number of secular Jews who spied for the Soviet Union. Karl Marx was a Jew to be ashamed of.
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Actually Feith isn’t just ‘a few jews’, he was a key player and ally of the entire NeoCon core group. This includes wolfowitz, pearle, chertoff and any number of other central government figures. We aren’t talking about some guy who worked in a lab, we’re talking about the CENTRAL GOVERNMENT FIGURES.
And I have NEVER heard a jewish person talk about ’secular jews’ the way you do. You sound more like MizzWrong pretending to be you, than someone who’s jewish. And how do you know if secular jews did what you claim they did? Do you have proof? It sounds like you’re spouting more ‘christian’ mythology – where did you learn that stupid anti-semitic nonsense anyway?
November 28th, 2005 at 6:17 pmAnd MightyHermaphrodite, you’ve just answered my question in general. Why are so many jews involved in spying for other countries in the first place? I don’t hear about other groups who’ve so consistently sold out america and american values. Do jews not believe they’re american? What’s the deal?
I always think of jewish americans as americans, but obviously there are jews among you that don’t. Why is that? Is it a cultural or religious thing that makes so many of you traitors?
November 28th, 2005 at 6:19 pmI have the same question for MizzWrong. What about Robert Hansen – he was an OpusDei conservative Catholic like you, and a complete traitor (like you). Why did he spy for the soviet union?
And what makes all of the reichwing religious types like you guys such traitors to america?
November 28th, 2005 at 6:21 pm#124 – “Clinton was competent.” – Ryanne
November 28th, 2005 at 6:22 pm****Except when he was lying – then he was incompetent. (I’m surprised his mama didn’t train him to be a better liar.) Also – he lacked a tad of competency, dealing with the first attack on the WTC, he lacked just a smidgin of competence in dealing with Rwanda, quite a bit of incompetence was present in Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia (late to arrive and busy bombing a neighbor), the impotent response to the Kenyan and Tazanian embassy bombings and ZERO response to the bombing of the USS Cole. Mr. Bill is an EXCELLENT example of Dem inCOMPETENCE
#122 – “Daschle’s role in this disaster unrehabilitatable. But then he was just the minority leader, not the President.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — November 28, 2005 @ 5:36″
*****To which I can only add, THANK GOD!!!
President Bush said repeatedly that while it appeared Osama was responsible for 9/11 – Saddam’s Iraq was a “State sponsor of terrorism”. That seems a bit difficult for Dems to get. (I was going to say “comprehend” – but small words a sometimes easier to sound out.)
November 28th, 2005 at 6:28 pmThere’s a lot more on Feith and his Brownie level of ineptitude and anti-american fascism here. I find it particularly ironic that they blame Feiths ‘fear of pessimism’ for his failures to plan properly. Sounds like a trait that MightyMoron shares. Pessimism when based on FACTS is a matter of good planning. Something pollyanna retarded republican zionists are truly clueless about – and why the CONTINUE to fail.
http://www.slate.com/id/2100899/
Here’s a few of the more outrageous acts.
Douglass Feith was the Defense Department’s undersecretary for policy, and is the Pentagon’s No. 3 civilian, after Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. – all NEOCONS.
Feith’s office was in charge of Iraq’s military prisons, but that’s not the only reason his name keeps turning up in newspaper reports about the scandal. It was Feith who devised the legal solution for getting around the Geneva Conventions’ prohibition on physically or psychologically coercing prisoners of war into talking.
“They said he had a dismissive, if not derisive, attitude toward the Geneva Conventions,” Scott Horton, a lawyer who was approached by six outraged JAG officers last year, told the Chicago Tribune. “One of them said he calls it ‘law in the service of terror.’”
During the buildup to the war, Feith oversaw the two offices that have since been criticized for politicizing intelligence and for inadequately planning for the occupation. The first group was known as the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Unit, and it was established to find links between terrorist organizations and their state sponsors. The group issued a report about connections between Iraq and al-Qaida that Rumsfeld had Feith deliver to CIA Director George Tenet in August 2002. This was reportedly the same report that Vice President Cheney recently called “your best source of information” on the links between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.
Nearly every critique of the Pentagon’s plan for Iraq’s occupation blames the blinkers imposed by ideology. For example, The New Yorker reported last fall that Feith intentionally excluded experts with experience in postwar nation-building, out of fear that their pessimistic, worst-case scenarios would leak and damage the case for war.
November 28th, 2005 at 6:29 pm“President Bush said repeatedly that while it appeared Osama was responsible for 9/11 – Saddam’s Iraq was a “State sponsor of terrorismâ€.”MightyZionist
Actually that’s what the zionists who were mad at Saddam for sending condolence money to families of dead palestinian ‘freedom fighters’ (that’s what republicans called them when they fought the soviets). That was the big ‘ties to terrorists’ that saddam had. Hardly a threat to america, but it sure pissed off the rightwing jews like mizzMoron here. She’d rather see 2000 dead americans, and tens of thousands of dead iraqis and wounded americans than to deal with situation in any other way.
Whacko zealot!
November 28th, 2005 at 6:35 pmBlue blood – “ICK!!! Me being made part of your rant and hatred is too much………..
I need a shower……….”
****You really should shower daily – I recommend brushing your teeth, too!
Turdle – I disagree with you completely on China – but I guess that’s to be expected if you do not see the threat of Communist China. Good night
November 28th, 2005 at 6:38 pmAnd FYI MightyMoron, the US supported AlQaeda FOR YEARS, so who’s the biggest state sponsor of terrorism again?
You’re such a stupid cow.
November 28th, 2005 at 6:39 pm“Turdle – I disagree with you completely on China – but I guess that’s to be expected if you do not see the threat of Communist China. Good night
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
But you’ve continually shown that you’re a retarded idiot and zionist traitor to america. What the heck do you care what happens to this country, you and your fellow NeoCons have sold is down the river with your retarded ineptitude.
heck, most of the illicit trade with china occured because of Reagan and Bush policies, and not until Clinton discovered what was happening in 1996 did they actually start clamping down on all of the republican corporate corruption that was selling out america. You and your ‘corporatism’ are the cause of this failure, but your retarded redirection towards ‘liberals’ is just like watching brownie try to blame everyone else for HIS ineptitude. Typical republican idiots!
Good night to you hellhound.
November 28th, 2005 at 6:43 pmThis is silly. The bible is the beginning and end of one’s love affair with one’s self. It has no place in our politics.
November 28th, 2005 at 6:52 pmBesides, the average country bumpkin american only knows about Israel because it’s an obscure reference in a Christmas song. If the everyday Americans knew that aipac had hijacked our congress they wouldn’t know what you meant. But we’re working on that.
November 28th, 2005 at 6:55 pmRyANNe – you have just demonstrated why you have no real friends (Sponge, Susan and Marie don’t count) – your lack of loyalty to allies Israel and Taiwan is telling – and significant.
November 28th, 2005 at 6:58 pmIsrael is not a friend. It is a satellite.
November 28th, 2005 at 7:00 pmyour lack of loyalty to allies Israel and Taiwan is telling – and significant.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 28, 2005 @ 6:58 pm
The US has no friends, only interests…
November 28th, 2005 at 7:01 pmDear Average (Your name says it ALL)- Israel may be a satellite to YOU – but I am thankful they blew the $hit out of Saddam’s nuclear reactor.
#146 – “…the US supported AlQaeda FOR YEARS, so who’s the biggest state sponsor of terrorism again?
November 28th, 2005 at 7:09 pmYou’re such a stupid cow.” – RyANNe
****I wished Turdle a Good night – stop skim reading. The US supported the overthrow of the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan – I’m sure it didn’t bother or inconvenience you that they had been invaded. Many of the mujuhadeen did not and do not support Al Quaeda, you pathetic purveyor of half truths and mini-info. If you had any friends I would recommend you go out and play, but….Wow, “stupid cow”? Not a very effective tool for winning the debate. Pitiful….
“I wished Turdle a Good night – stop skim reading. The US supported the overthrow of the Soviet invasion in Afghanistan – I’m sure it didn’t bother or inconvenience you that they had been invaded. Many of the mujuhadeen did not and do not support Al Quaeda, you pathetic purveyor of half truths and mini-info. If you had any friends I would recommend you go out and play, but….Wow, “stupid cowâ€? Not a very effective tool for winning the debate. Pitiful….
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Pitiful is right, but it describes your pitiful excuses. Just like osama who justifies terrorism by the ‘outcome’, you justify terrorism by saying if we didn’t support it the soviets would have invaded. First of all, that’s such a retarded, and irrelevant argument it’s just whacko. By your argument, then the insurgency in Iraq is justfied because WE invaded the Iraqis. See the problem with you and your fellow republicans is that you are moral relavists. You always believe that every evil is fair game as long as you perform it, but when someone else uses the same tactic it isn’t fair. That’s PSYCHOTIC you hellhound.
As for someone who’s a purveyor of ‘half truths’, I just caught you in a lie about republican presidents never criticizing democratic presidents in office. Now WHO’s the PROVEN liar – that would be you.
And stupid cow isn’t a debating tool, it’s an accurate description for you, you miserable nazi beast of burden.
November 28th, 2005 at 7:20 pm“you have just demonstrated why you have no real friends (Sponge, Susan and Marie don’t count) – your lack of loyalty to allies Israel and Taiwan is telling – and significant.
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Would those be the same allies that have been caught spying on us? Feith, Wen Ho Lee, it seems like these ‘reliable allies’ produce more spies that undermine american security than they should by ‘fair share’. Add in the saudis, and pakistanis and you have a full round of ‘embarrassing’ allies whose citizens continually seem to spy against our country.
November 28th, 2005 at 7:22 pmmighty aphrodite,
Who the fvck do you think you are to tell me who my friends are and are not. Got fvck yourself you dumb bitch.
*Does secret handshake with Ryan*
November 28th, 2005 at 7:26 pmMA,
“Not an effective tool for winning the debate.”
You didn’t just write that, did you?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Your idea of winning a debate is to deflect to Clinton, or the Bible, or any other talking points ypu picked up from the NeoCons.
You actually debate nothing.
November 28th, 2005 at 7:28 pmYou deflect, defer, project…. that’s all.
You never answer any questions.
When pinned against the wall, you come back as I-R-I or some other troll. (hasn’t anyone else noticed the disappearance of one troll when “one the ropes”, only to suddenly have another come in?)
Why don’t you go to your right wing sites? Everyone will love your diatribe there.
You personally sicken me.
“When pinned against the wall, you come back as I-R-I or some other troll. (hasn’t anyone else noticed the disappearance of one troll when “one the ropesâ€, only to suddenly have another come in?)”
True Blue,
The trolls are all just reading off a script much like the outsourced Indian tech support folks. They are paid to come here and derail our conversations.
I only speak of the trolls. There are plenty of rational conservatives that come here and actually want to debate. cynicon implant started like a troll, because they thought we just attacked conservatives. You can find cynicon implant debating in another thread right now, as they actually want to debate and understand we are not conservative haters. We hate trolls.
November 28th, 2005 at 7:33 pmSpudge,
I agree, and their ‘outsourced’ quality control is as bad as the call centers. You can’t get them to answer your questions or have any real understanding or expertise either. It’s so bad when the inept republicans outsource their lies to even more inept trolls. It’s like like double flushed sewage…
November 28th, 2005 at 7:35 pmSo MightyHermaphrodite,
You didn’t answer my DIRECT question. Why are so many jewish and conservative americans arrested as traitors? It seems disproportionate to the population for both groups – don’t you think?
So what is it? Why are so many conservative catholic and jewish americans traitors?
November 28th, 2005 at 7:37 pm“I’m living in the decade immediately following the one where President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton sold out his country to a rabid Red Chinese Communist regime with a 200 million man army and the intention of starting a nuclear war that they believe they can win.”
IRI
No, you’re living in fantasyland. Keerist…where do you get these facts? Is the RNC feeding you this stuff from the unused “Curveball” intel debriefings? Or did you read this on the back of a Walmart-brand Corn Flakes Box?
200 Million Chinese Army? Here, IRI, here’s a bunch of virtual bananas for those Corn Flakes. -> (((((
November 28th, 2005 at 7:41 pmAnd MightyHermaphrodite,
Where’s your apology for calling two distinguished american presidents name, while accusing them of bad manners? And then on top of it you LIED that their actions were different from republicans – and I PROVED YOU HAD LIED.
So why are you such a retarded hypocrite? Did you sleep through what the Nuns taught you, or were you so retarded the let you skip grades as the pity student? You can’t have possibly gone to a good private school, you’re entirely too stupid and hysterical.
November 28th, 2005 at 7:41 pmPoor Tom…too nice a guy to be Senate Minority Leader with these fascists in charge. Of course, if Bush had let Tom have a reasoned debate and kept an open mind ater the mid-terms, he might have avoided the quagmire he has put us in today.
Not only has this administration spent billions and lost thousands of soldiers as well as kill 10’s of thousands of innocent Iraqi’s to topple a moderately secular country in the ME for no good reason, but that stunt will damage future Presidents for decades to come. Can you imagine a President of a minority Party who needs to get bi-partisan support to react to a real ‘gathering threat’?
November 28th, 2005 at 7:48 pm#156, Spudge,
Thanks! I have been confused re: Cynicon Implant because I remember the rants. I thought it was a ploy for a while, ala “.” (Talk about a flip flop…)
To CI: debate is cool. Nice to see you now feel the same way. Welcome.
November 28th, 2005 at 7:54 pmAnd I forgot to point you to an actual scholarly review of your ’school vouchers choice’ nonsense argument.
http://www.asu.edu/educ/epsl/EPRU/documents/cerai-00-31.htm
This was done by PHD’s, you know people who are actually ‘qualified’ to discuss the topic? I know partisan hacks like you have your NeoCon friends have all of these retarded preconceptions about what policies are ’supposed’ to do, and yet the evidence contradicts this, just like it contradicts ‘creationism’. You and your friends consistently show that even with the ‘big brain’ of a human, conservatives are closer to the ‘monkey’ brain than the ‘great ape’…
November 28th, 2005 at 8:05 pmI am not sure which thread to post this in, but it is important, so I will post it here.
CNN
November 27, 2005
Poll: Americans back abortion limits, oppose ban
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/11/27/abortion.poll/index.html
Here is the important part:
“Thirty-nine percent of the respondents said that abortion should only be legal in a few circumstances, 26 percent believe it should be legal in all circumstances, and 16 percent favor legal abortion in most circumstances.
Another 16 percent said it should not be legal under any circumstances, the poll showed.”
That would be:
39 Few Legal
16 Most Legal
26 All Legal
16 None Legal
That means that less than half of the whacko 36% of this country that support Bush want abortion to be illegal. That is very interesting. That means the NeoCon “Ban Abortion” platform might not be a good one for them to continue on.
Sorry, for off topic post, but there isn’t anywhere else to put this.
November 28th, 2005 at 8:10 pm#152 – “The US has no friends, only interests…” Gregr
November 28th, 2005 at 8:25 pm****Thank you, Greg, for demonstrating why I refer to this site as Think Pessimism.
Ha ha, you’re so witty. That’s why I refer to you as dipshit.
November 28th, 2005 at 8:32 pm“the post was not about the reasons for war. The post was about how Democrats hate that Bush is a better pol than his father.
Comment by The Northeast Dilemma”
That’s pretty funny. We’re now comparing dumb and dumber, and america is the big loser….
November 28th, 2005 at 8:36 pm“Thank you, Greg, for demonstrating why I refer to this site as Think Pessimism.
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
They blame Feith (the Israeli Spy’s) mishandling of the occupation on his unwillingness to believe pessmistic reports from pentagon experts. Is this aversion to pessimistic facts endemic of all zionist traitors – or are just the two of you the only ones that possess these traits?
November 28th, 2005 at 8:38 pmAnd wasn’t it our ‘friends’ Israel who were caught spying on us through Feith?
Now what international ‘friends’ again are you optimistic about MightyHermaphrodite? I’d like a listing if you don’t mind…
November 28th, 2005 at 8:39 pm#156 – Sorry Sponge – you seem to be a lonely, insecure, friendless sort. P.S. Ryan says you’re not doing the secret handshake correctly – keep practicing! Good luck.
#157 – Blue Blood – The conservatives must be confusing you – please show me where I whipped out a Bible passage or thought to bolster an argument. Are you old enough for remedial reading??
#160- RyANNe – To tell you the truth – you’re boring. There…that needed to be said. You remind me of one of my kids when they were 3 and 4 years old – you don’t reason with a kid having a kicking screaming tantrum. (The unimportant, miniscule world according to RyANNe:
I am a zionist cow, I-R-I has latent queer tendencies – you wish – and anybody who doesn’t agree with you is stupid, greedy, corrupt, etc.) Zzzzzz….Zzzzz – And, amazingly (!) you decided all of this while being an efficiently oprganized paper pusher in some obscure government office – God made bureaucrats because there are so many average people out there who need employment.
Well you anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish bigot – as for being a son of Eire – why did so many Irish Americans contribute to the IRA. Oh…. that must be the conservative Catholics you threw in for good measure. The reason you have no friends is you take the ball if you are losing – we call it moving the goal posts. Sissies and losers “play” that way. Good night, kid. Zzzzzz….
November 28th, 2005 at 8:45 pm“You remind me of one of my kids when they were 3 and 4 years old – you don’t reason with a kid having a kicking screaming tantrum.”MightyBadMom
My experience of kicking screaming kids, is that they’re always a reflection of bad parenting. If your kids behaved that way, that’s no surprise. You’re extremely unobservant and self absorbed. Your parenting would no doubt reflect those tendencies.
“I am a zionist cow,”
True.
” I-R-I has latent queer tendencies”
True
“- you wish ”
Not true. Ugh. I point out the facts, I don’t ‘hope’ for things that aren’t true to be so – unlike you and the rest of your ‘wishful thinking, polyanna republican morons’
“- and anybody who doesn’t agree with you is stupid, greedy, corrupt, etc.) Zzzzzz….Zzzzz ”
Doesn’t sound boring to me. Sounds a whole plethora of responses, completely in response and in context to the person. Heck, Cynicon implant had an actual discussion today on immigration civilly, and I happily had one. But see, you’re retarded, so a civil discourse is out of your means.
“- And, amazingly (!) you decided all of this while being an efficiently oprganized paper pusher in some obscure government office – God made bureaucrats because there are so many average people out there who need employment.”
Ah, you don’t pay attention well, but then again your party affiliation and complete lack of ‘facts’ already demonstrated that clearly. I haven’t worked as a bureaucrat for years, I been in the private sector running my own businesses for years you stupid cow. I’ve already said that to you, but you never listen to anyone – which explains why you raised brats.
And if you ‘tuned out’ your children the way you imply, then all it does is confirm what I already had accused you of before, which is being a HORRIBLE MOTHER. I’m sure you beat them when they annoyed you too much as well. The ‘abuse’ is the most common republican thread I’ve seen… And your ‘hatred’ of what you see as ‘permissive parents’ is another sure sign I’m right.
“Well you anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish bigot – as for being a son of Eire – why did so many Irish Americans contribute to the IRA. ”
Well first of all, I’m not anti-catholic, or anti-jewish, I’ve already established that. But you haven’t yet answered why so many people from both groups have found to be spies? No ideas? Not surprising, republicans never have ideas or justifications for their treachery.
I’m anti ZEALOT, and if that comes in a religious or non-religious form – so be it.
“Oh…. that must be the conservative Catholics you threw in for good measure. ”
Yeah, the Conservative Catholics – Opus Dei freaks like Hansen who sold secrets to the Soviets for money are just scum. IRI is one of them, he quotes from their teachings.
“The reason you have no friends is you take the ball if you are losing – we call it moving the goal posts. Sissies and losers “play†that way. Good night, kid. Zzzzzz….”
No friends? That’s your pathology honey. I have to fend off people who want to spend time with me. You really must stop projecting your own pathetic life on others – it’s just embarrassing to watch there you stupid cow.
November 28th, 2005 at 8:59 pm“Blue Blood – The conservatives must be confusing you – please show me where I whipped out a Bible passage or thought to bolster an argument. Are you old enough for remedial reading??” MightyMoron
See you don’t make arguments, you only post nonsense attacks, or ridiculous smears about clinton or kennedy. That’s not making an argument, it’s showing that you’re a juvenile little girl who still gossips and spews rumors about the popular girls (it’s catholic school all over again for you isn’t it?).
When you have tried to make an argument, like the pathetic one about the yachting industry, your claims about school performance problems, I quickly shot you down with cited references and studies that showed you were a retard with only talking points.
So that isn’t having an argument, it’s stating an ill informed and uneducated opinion. And like the fanny you sit on, showing it in public is not dignified, and merely shows you’ve outgrown your mental britches. You’re unqualified to speak about any topic, and what you post is boring, rehashed, and retarded drivel. You accuse others of being boring, but only because you know this best expresses your own miserable rants.
You are boring.
November 28th, 2005 at 9:04 pmYou are stupid.
You are petty.
You are hypocritical.
You are gossipy.
You are an IDIOT!
And MightyHermaphrodite, before your kids have kids, send them to therapy and a parenting class. You really should stop the abuse and bad socialization at their generation if possible. Clearly you’re a lost cause, but hopefully they aren’t…
Here’s a guide on tantrums. You do realize that if you are a GOOD parent, you can prevent and difuse tantrums quite readily. Too bad you didn’t have someone like me around to show you how to actually parent – but clearly you had no good role models, considering the way you turned out…
http://kidshealth.org/parent/emotions/behavior/tantrums.html
Most of the time tantrums are the direct result of bad parenting – I’m sure you were unaware of that, just like you seem unaware of anything that exist in the ‘real world’ or ’science’ or ‘medicine’ or ‘law’…
November 28th, 2005 at 9:14 pmIs anyone here actually Jewish or did somebody call “Jewish Headquarters” to get an update on the “takeover”?
November 28th, 2005 at 9:24 pmAnd I had to respond to this one more time just for the MightyBigot
“Well you anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish bigot”
Actually I’m ‘anti-zealot’, and how is this different from you who’s anti-anti-zealot? You claim that you’re anti ’secular jews’ and ‘liberal catholics’, but isn’t that the same as me being anti conservatives? If I’m a bigot, then by your own definition you are.
See I’m not anti them because they’re religious – and in fact for the opposite reason. Despite being hindu, I’ve previously demostrated I know more of jewish and christian teaching than you or that retard mizzwrong. The reason I am ‘anti’ your group is because you are immoral by any measure of human decency, and especially BY YOUR OWN RELIGIONS. Charity, generosity and forgiveness are critical to both of those faiths, and yet you show none of this most basic religious tenets. You don’t even sound remote religious, you sound like a stupid hateful teenage spoiled girl.
” – as for being a son of Eire – why did so many Irish Americans contribute to the IRA. Oh…. that must be the conservative Catholics you threw in for good measure. ”
I should ask you why so many jews support israel, or why so many palestinians abroad support hamas – but you already know the answer. Many americans supported their irish brothers and sisters, even when they didn’t support the IRA. I’m a pascifist, so I disagreed with the IRA tactics, but I did understand their frustrations of being OCCUPIED, much as I understand the palestinians and iraqis. The fact that you CAN’T or WON’T put yourself in the place of another human being to try to understand their suffering is the main reason I know you’re neither religious nor frankly a complete adult. You’re a hateful stupid child, and nothing more.
“The reason you have no friends is you take the ball if you are losing – we call it moving the goal posts. Sissies and losers “play†that way. Good night, kid. Zzzzzz….”
Actually that’s what YOU and your whacko republican trolls all do. You can’t stay on topic, you try to move the goal posts constantly either to an unrelated or retarded discussions, you won’t EVER admit when you’ve been proven to be an idiot and a liar. You are a constant moving goal post. And when you are challenged on your childish, stupid and nonsense postings, you ‘take your ball’, just in the same psycho psychotic way you project all of your numerous failures and weaknesses on others…
You’re a real piece of work. You must have had a miserable childhood to have ended up as such a stupid hateful cow.
November 28th, 2005 at 11:52 pmDoes it count if you can’t spell “pacifist”?
And you’re a Hindu, too?!
Sounds like someone went to college as a piece of malleable putty and came out oozing smug self-righteousness and just filled to the brim with
“self-esteem”.
“You must have had a miserable childhood to have ended up as such a stupid hateful cow. ”
I’m just guessing, but you seem to have done a good job of repudiating / rebelling against your own upbringing. Or do you come from a long line of American Irish-named Hindu pacifists?
November 29th, 2005 at 7:47 amI’m just guessing, but you seem to have done a good job of repudiating / rebelling against your own upbringing. Or do you come from a long line of American Irish-named Hindu pacifists?
Comment by tomaig
I doubt he’s rebelling against anything. My guess it is the way he was raised that is the reason he’s turned out to be such a despicable, surly, and pitiful excuse for a man.
Given his homosexuality, his adherence to foreign and heathen religion mixed with Marxists ideology I can’t see how such a one could develop on his own. His rhetoric bears a remarkable resemblance to what has become known about John Walker Lindh . This is what happens to people with godless materialistic parents who never met an “ism” they couldn’t embrace.
It’s only a matter of time before we read about Ryan and his attempt to fly somebody else’s airplane. You heard it here first.
Check out this article about JWL and tell me it doesn’t sound like Ryan and a couple of others on this site….and these people wonder why I think hanging Left Wing Losers is a good idea.
“Hip hop led to Malcolm, Malcolm led to Islam and Islam led to the Taliban. All roads, in short, led to Afghanistan.
But something else was happening when Walker was 17. Much more, in fact, than Lindh lets on. For even as Walker was reading Malcolm X, his father separated from his mother — herself a recent convert to Buddhism — and moved in with another man to pursue a homosexual relationship. Or such was the news in San Francisco gossip columns in the month following Walker’s discovery in Afghanistan. As PJ Corkery wrote for the San Francisco Examiner: “When Lindh left his family in 1997, it was to move in with a male companion. Yep … The man with whom Lindh lived has since been described as a ‘family friend,’ but other family friends say the men lived as a gay couple.” While details of the story have been disputed by Lindh and others since it first broke, it is significant than no one has denied its central claim: that Lindh now lives as a homosexual and that that was the reason he left Walker’s mother.
Never heard about it? Well, there’s no surprise there. While the Lindh story received a lot of coverage in the Bay Area, national news outlets studiously avoided it, even as they devoted round the clock coverage to the Walker case. Apparently, the media elite considers it in bad taste to mention Lindh’s sexuality.* That’s too bad for it is crucial to understanding Walker’s weird saga. Lindh’s homosexuality, for instance, partly explains Walker’s enthusiasm for hip hop culture. The world of hip hop (and especially its gangster rap segment) is a world of aggression and male domination. It is, in fact, the exact opposite of tolerant Marin: violent, misogynistic, homophobic, intolerant of everything that doesn’t neatly fit into its own narrow categories. One can only guess what went on in the Walker household after school but it is easy to imagine young John taking a particular thrill in blasting songs about “punking” enemies while his father sat nervously downstairs. Even if Walker’s interest in hip hop had nothing to do with his father’s homosexuality, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that his enthusiastic reading of Malcolm X and subsequent conversion to Islam did have something to do with it and in a very direct way. More so than any other major religion, Islam enshrines the principle of male rule, or patriarchy. This is especially true of Wahhabism, the radical sect to which the Taliban belong. In Wahhabi Islam, society is built around the authority of the heterosexual male. One consequence of this is the total exclusion of women from public life. Another consequence is a spectacularly violent attitude towards homosexuality. In Afghanistan, the one country in which Wahhabism has been fully put into practice as state policy, homosexuals were routinely punished by having tanks collapse brick walls on to them, a punishment that almost always resulted in death. Here was heterosexual authority in its starkest guise. When Frank Lindh deserted his family in 1997, not only did Walker reject his father’s name (until then, he had gone by Lindh), he immediately latched onto the strongest expression of male authority he could find. In short, Walker found a new father.
http://www.boundless.org/2001/features/a0000542.html
November 29th, 2005 at 10:07 am#173 – “You remind me of one of my kids when they were 3 and 4 years old – you don’t reason with a kid having a kicking screaming tantrum.†RyANNe quoting MA
****I apologize, you’re not a parent! But many professionals will enlighten you about the “necessary” selfishness of children – necessary to get their needs met and nurtured. (As my sister who is a pediatrician said, “Babies don’t cry for others.”) But all children need to learn social skills, good manners, fair play and honesty. I don’t blame you for your poor social skills – it’s obvious the nanny didn’t do her job. (Your Mom might have been “too busy”.)
“I’m a pascifist, so I disagreed with the IRA tactics, but I did understand their frustrations of being OCCUPIED, much as I understand the palestinians and iraqis.” – RyANNe
****I can just imagine you sympathizing with our enemies in 1941 – “Those poor benighted Japanese – the imposed oil embargo really wasn’t “fair”" – and “The Germans HAD to get their economy rolling after the devastating terms of Versailles treaty.” It’s very similar in scope to the way you sympathize with our enemies today.
RyANNe: (overheard at a meeting of the “Coalition for Peace and Just-us”) – “Go Ramsey!!!”
#177 – “The fact that you CAN’T or WON’T put yourself in the place of another human being to try to understand their suffering….” – RyANNE
****Empathy, (which I have and fuels most people’s volunteerism and charity) is VASTLY different than the attention seeking “downtrodden identification” you appear to relish. But progs are VERY easy to identify – they have longer arms than everybody else. Those arms get stretched longer and longer from patting themselves on the back. Voila!! Evidence of prog moral high ground!!!
You say I answer few of your q’s. Who has the time to re-hash for the 150th time what has been said before?? No matter what is posited here, your response, if not simple, immature name-calling, is a link to a lefty site – many of which I already read. You have the childish sense that if it’s in print it must be true.
I’m sorry you have to “fend off the number of people wishing to spend time with you” – have Mom hire a bodyguard.
I have a VERY busy day planned – so I might not get back till after schools out – behave!!!
November 29th, 2005 at 12:50 pmIf he’s a crook and a thief I won’t defend him. But I notice when one of yours gets caught with his pee-pee in the pepper patch you losers make a hero of him and buy his book. That’s why we win. That’s why we’re better than you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 28, 2005 @ 3:03 pm
I-Trite-I,
What exactly have you WON?
(in rational, logical, detail if you please)
November 30th, 2005 at 9:19 amWhat exactly have you WON?
(in rational, logical, detail if you please)
Comment by big papa
We win the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans. Donks get the dregs.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:33 amI-Trite-I,
Let’s see if we can do some simple math…at $300 billion dollars, two countries nearing civil war (America and Iraq), 100,000 or more dead and wounded in Iraq, liberation of the Kurds to secede in the north, the Shiites to secede in the south and hook up with Iran, hundreds of thousands of homeless and displaced in the gulf coast region, the enmity of the civilized world…and you get the hearts and “minds” of the ignorant, racist, red state, Al Cracka, redneck, inbred, Bush-Cheney worshipping simpletons!
I’d say you got ripped-off!
November 30th, 2005 at 12:17 pmthis wasn’t about the reason for war. People die in wars – liberals don’t seem to understand that. People also die when we fight wars half-assed like we did in 1991. Our weakness invited terror. But, you wouldn’t understand that so it’s not worth debating. Continue with your Bush bashing please.
Comment by danny k — November 28, 2005
danny boy,
This- “fighting a half-assed war”- is EXACTLY why we never should have gone to war with Iraq in the first place. When attacking an opponent (or victim) that has done nothing to deserve such an attack, one tends to reserve one’s ferocity due to a lack of all out passion and commitment to “kill” the target. Dropping bombs on and attacking villages in Afghanistan was tough enough (as justifiable …or not as it may/may not have been), but doing the same to the innocents of Iraq was totally unjustified- hence no overwhelming force (a’la the Powell Doctrine), and a quagmire is born.
Yes, people do die in war, which is why no country should engage in it unless it is absolutely justified in its committment to being as ruthless as necessary to avenge its rationale for perpetrating such a harsh act- and accomplishing its mission.
danny boy you’re a sick individual if you “truly” believe Bush-Cheney are/were justified in committing our troops to Iraq. this ain’t politics as usual!
November 30th, 2005 at 1:06 pm“We win the hearts and minds of the majority of Americans. Donks get the dregs.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I”
Really? Because the latest polls show that only 34% of americans approve of the president and that a MAJORITY of americans want the democrats in charge of both houses of congress. Clearly you’re receiving your messages from those talking voices again, because you don’t live in reality MizzWrong!
November 30th, 2005 at 6:51 pmReally? Because the latest polls show that only 34% of americans approve of the president and that a MAJORITY of americans want the democrats in charge of both houses of congress.
comment by Ryan “Pussyboy” Neat
Oh boy. I can hardly wait for 08 to see the Democrats win everything by a landslide. That will be interesting….. Talk about reality.
December 2nd, 2005 at 11:46 amTiming is Everything
November 29, 2005
This article “Timing cited as factor in Democrats’ vote for war†by Ronald Brownstein and Emma Vaughn is worrisome. The issue is whether the decision for military action against Iraq was influenced by the 2002 election. Daschle asked both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney to delay the vote for war after the election, not to politicizing it. Whether Bush or Cheney just nod and padded Daschle’s head and said no to him isn’t so important to me than the Bush/Cheney’s true intention for pursing the war: their desire to conquer Iraq was from the inception of the Bush Presidency in 2001. Allowing Congress just one night to review NIE on Iraq, 10 days before the vote the Bush administration at the same time forced the war vote on the Democrats, challenging their patriotism by limiting reflection and open debate. In short, any member who question the war before the election were accused of being soft on Hussein or providing aid and comfort to the 9/11 terrorists. This is more truthful than what Daschle said: “Given the circumstance…that we were responding to 9/11…all the urgency was created and cajoling by the administration.†Yeah, right.
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