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It’s about frickin’ time!
November 30th, 2005 at 1:14 pmGood start. Now she needs to strangle Lieberman.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:16 pmNancy, why did it take you so long?
November 30th, 2005 at 1:20 pmFlip-flopper! Flip-flopper!
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Thanks for seein’ the light, Nancy.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:20 pmLieberman is a Senator. It’s Harry Reid’s job to beat the crap out of him. As a former boxer, he should be up to the task.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:25 pmAre the Dems finally coming out of the long dark night and becoming a real opposition party with real alternative policies?
Pelosi’s statement is a good sign.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:26 pmGREAT TIMING!!!
The strategy is now back-firing! It should start to heat up, now that Congress has the Harry Potter version of how to achieve Victory in Iraq!
Now, that the fiction is published, the non-fiction accounting of what is being done whould send the White House cronies scurrying like roaches running from the RAID cloud!
Now, Lieberman will live or die with the decision of reversing his course or being thrown to the wolves, because he cannot have it both ways on this one! Either way, he’s gonna get some damage from this one!
November 30th, 2005 at 1:28 pmMaybe we just need to put Lieberman into Al Gore’s “lockbox”…
November 30th, 2005 at 1:28 pmTHAT’S what I’m talking about!
November 30th, 2005 at 1:29 pmGo, Pelosi. I think she’s pretty cool. She seems “fedup.”
November 30th, 2005 at 1:30 pmI am as always so pleased to be one of her constituents!
November 30th, 2005 at 1:36 pmGo Nancy! Go Barbara (Boxer)! Go Barbara (Lee)!
this is good, but it still has just a handful of supporters…
November 30th, 2005 at 1:39 pmHooray. I think Nancy will bring others along with her. She’s a strong persuader.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:42 pmAbout time ,sometimes wimps see the error of their ways . If only Kerry changes “style ” and call Bush a liar , he and HILARRY could develop a back bone instead of a fast mouth.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:52 pmBeing from the “about frickin time” school of thought on this, I was wondering whether Hillary is still “staying the course” of being closer, I think, to Lieberman than Murtha.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:06 pmPelosi endorses al Qaeda’s strategy for our surrender and defeat in Iraq. Uh, hmmm…that is great news.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:41 pmPelosi has bigger balls than the entire republican caucus combined!
November 30th, 2005 at 2:41 pm“Pelosi endorses al Qaeda’s strategy for our surrender and defeat in Iraq. Uh, hmmm…that is great news.
Comment by Finger Bang ”
Oppression and Surrender – if that’s the only black and white world you can see, then you need to see a psychiatrist. People who only see things in black and white and victor and victim are psychologically disturbed.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:42 pmHey FingerBang,
Why didn’t republicans care about AlQaeda’s dangers when the CIA was recruiting, funding and training them to fight the soviets? You and your traiterous republican terrorists created this shameful organization, so why should anyone listen to your inept and ineffectual opinions on the topic in the first place?
IDIOT!
November 30th, 2005 at 2:43 pmI wonder who will take over Pelosi’s seat.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:44 pmFlip?
Take over her seat? She isn’t running for Senate as far as I know, and she’s immensely popular in her district based on her progressive efforts to support same sex marriage.
Based on what I’ve read, she wins handily in her district, which has more green party voters than republicans. I’m guessing you’re being flip out of sarcasm, because otherwise you’re one ignorant retarded republican ;)
November 30th, 2005 at 3:09 pmWho else was funding the mujahideen in the 80’s Ryan? When was al Qaeda formed and why Ryan? When was al Qaeda’s first attack on the US Ryan? You’re anti-american propaganda based on lies is so transparent.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:09 pm“People who only see things in black and white and victor and victim are psychologically disturbed.”
Ah, Ryan, it’s nice to know that under that hard, caustic exterior beats the heart of a fuzzy liberal.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:16 pm#12: John Kerry made sure to state his clear disagreement – twice! – with the Murtha plan, while weaseling his way to complete obscurity.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pmDear MoveOn member,
In a speech today, President Bush tried to answer the majority of Americans who believe we need to change course in Iraq. But he offered no plans to bring troops home—just flashy public relations.
Bush’s public relations push comes at a tipping point in the Iraq debate. A majority of Americans want troops home in 2006 and former supporters of the war in Congress like Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) agree.
Members of Congress are changing and examining their position on Iraq right now. It is critical that they hear from all of us. For the next two weeks we’re circulating a petition calling on Congress to insist on an exit strategy to bring the troops home in 2006. Will you sign? Click below.
http://political.moveon.org/iraq/
November 30th, 2005 at 3:52 pmDear MoveOn member,
Please Sign petition
In a speech today, President Bush tried to answer the majority of Americans who believe we need to change course in Iraq. But he offered no plans to bring troops home—just flashy public relations.
Bush’s public relations push comes at a tipping point in the Iraq debate. A majority of Americans want troops home in 2006 and former supporters of the war in Congress like Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) agree.
Members of Congress are changing and examining their position on Iraq right now. It is critical that they hear from all of us. For the next two weeks we’re circulating a petition calling on Congress to insist on an exit strategy to bring the troops home in 2006. Will you sign? Click below.
http://political.moveon.org/iraq/
November 30th, 2005 at 3:52 pmWe will never get out of Iraq as long as the shrub keeps mistakenly saying that if we pull out, the terrist will then attack us on our soil.
Georgie Porgie, the ones fighting us in Iraq are not Al Qaeda or terrist of any stripe. They are IRAQIS, they are insurgents.
You yourself are breeding terrist Georgie Porgie, dont you see that?
November 30th, 2005 at 3:59 pmSay isnt a Finger Bang when you buy Cheap toilet paper, finger goes thru and you umm, inadvertyently get some..Sheeewwwie.
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November 30th, 2005 at 4:03 pmDo not sign the MoveOn petition. It seriously misrepresents the Murtha/Pelosi position which is:
To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces.
To create a quick reaction force in the region.
To create an over- the- horizon presence of Marines.
To diplomatically pursue security and stability in Iraq
This is not the same as timeline to withdraw troops by the end of 2006. If you want to die in Iraq in 2006 then take the next plane to Baghdad, but don’t ask someone else to do it for you.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:05 pmNancy wants to cut and run too. No surprise there. Democrats don’t want America to win. Thank God they have no power to stop us from winning.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:30 pmHere is an excellent article depicting what we can foresee happening as we redeploy/withdraw. Basically, the Pandora’s Box has been blown wide open and now we need to accommodate the consequences.
http://www.forward.com/articles/6936
I just hope this nation can come together, focus on developing renewable energy sources, restore our integrity internally and externally, and move forward into the future with our head up because we’ve learned from our mistakes and realized that power is to be awarded to those who are responsible enough to wield it accordingly and not to the highest bidder.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:34 pmOne wonders what would have happened had Clinton stood up to Al Qaeda after the U.S Cole was attacked. Would they have been so emboldened to attack the U.S. on its own soil. I think not. What do liberals really plan to do about the threat of terrorism? Do they want to negotiate with them? For what? What do you offer them? In negotiation, each party has to have a give and take and how do you trust them? You are not dealing with a country or a nation in the traditional sense. I know I keep hearing, “Well, I wouldn’t have attacked Iraq”. I know thats an easy answer, but honestly, what do liberals or the democratic party have to offer as a solution other than criticism?
November 30th, 2005 at 4:43 pmComparisons to Vietnam are sometimes useful; in terms of guerilla warfare there are similarities. But the overall political situation, which is really at the heart of the matter, is different. A prompt withdrawal from Iraq accompanied by some serious diplomacy (perhaps partition) needn’t be a costly disaster. Again, it is the occupation which is the problem at this point, as John Murtha has said so eloquently.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:49 pmDon – John Murtha is looking for a headline. Please stop making a hero out of a grandstander. Our boys in uniform – my brothers – do not agree with Mr. Murtha. It is shameful that the MSM stifles dissent when it comes to how the troops feel. They don’t want to leave a half-assed Iraq. Shame on Murtha for suggesting it.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:12 pm“This croc is really pissed! But not as pissed as he’s gonna be when I jam my thumb up his butt’ole!”
November 30th, 2005 at 5:18 pmPete, thanks for the laugh!
By the way, Nancy Pelosi is Jon Stewart’s guest tonight, if anyone’s interested.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:13 pmEducation, Randy. We offer them education. We try to teach them why the cause they think they are dying for isn’t valid. They do what they do because someone took advantage of their ignorance and promised them ridiculous things if they would kill themselves for Allah. Or do you oppose educating people?
Oh, and the attack on the USS Cole happened close to the end of President Clinton’s term. He had to wrestle with the idea of starting a war that couldn’t be finished in the time he had left, or devise a plan and give it to the incoming administration and let them decide what to do. Because the results of the 2000 election were still up in the air, he waited. Then they gave the plan to the Bush Administration, which did NOTHING! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Once the attacks of 9/11 happened, our country’s reaction to al Qaeda was pretty much everything the Clinton Adminsitration suggested we do in response to the USS Cole attacks. But you’ll probably just call that revisionist history because your beloved president didn’t want to do anything that his predecessor did.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:14 pm“One wonders what would have happened had Clinton stood up to Al Qaeda after the U.S Cole was attacked.”
RandyMoron,
Randy, there you go again you retard.
That bombing occurred at the END of Clinton administration, and was under investigation when Clinton left office. It was the Bush administration that didn’t respond once they confirmed who had done it you idiot! And besides, and attack against a military ship is NOT an act of terrorism by definition – it is an act of war ironically.
“Would they have been so emboldened to attack the U.S. on its own soil. I think not. What do liberals really plan to do about the threat of terrorism? ”
Well, then you should be blaming bush, and while you’re at it, don’t forget to criticize him for ignoring that memo entitled bin laden plans to attack within the united states, and the one that mentioned they planned to use planes as weapons.
I agree that a poor US response was a problem, but unfortunately it was the republicans who screwed up.
“Do they want to negotiate with them? For what? What do you offer them? In negotiation, each party has to have a give and take and how do you trust them? ”
You know, republicans consistently demostrated a retarded and unsophisticated view of the world. The IRA was negotiated with, and now there’s peace in northern ireland. And besides, terrorism is supported by the local population because REAL grievences exist. Until those are handled, the terrorist groups will continue to form.
“You are not dealing with a country or a nation in the traditional sense. I know I keep hearing, “Well, I wouldn’t have attacked Iraqâ€. I know thats an easy answer, but honestly, what do liberals or the democratic party have to offer as a solution other than criticism?”
How about look at HISTORY, and what has worked before. Once again, we have a model that worked with ireland, are you completely ignorant of this? Or are you just being a jackass, as is typical of republican morons?
November 30th, 2005 at 6:16 pm“John Murtha is looking for a headline. Please stop making a hero out of a grandstander. Our boys in uniform – my brothers – do not agree with Mr. Murtha. It is shameful that the MSM stifles dissent when it comes to how the troops feel. They don’t want to leave a half-assed Iraq. Shame on Murtha for suggesting it.
Comment by danny k”
I agree about the MSM stiffling troops that dissent against the war. That’s why operationtruth.org exists to give those troops a voice.
Shame on you for criticizing Murtha, but like all chickenhawks, you’re really just trying to justify your own cowardly positions. What an idiot, and a liar you are!
November 30th, 2005 at 6:17 pmRandy, the investigation of the Cole incident only finished in January and BUSH was president. From wikipedia…
“On January 19, 2001, The Navy completed and released its Judge Advocate General Manual (JAGMAN) investigation of the incident, concluding that Cole’s commanding officer “acted reasonably in adjusting his force protection posture based on his assessment of the situation that presented itself” when Cole arrived in Aden to refuel. The JAGMAN also concluded that “the commanding officer of Cole did not have the specific intelligence, focused training, appropriate equipment or on-scene security support to effectively prevent or deter such a determined, preplanned assault on his ship” and recommended significant changes in Navy procedures.”
November 30th, 2005 at 6:19 pmThanks, Ryan. I had forgotten about the investigation not being complete. So, there it is. I guess they wanted to be absolutely sure before they responded.
But it is true that once the Bush Administration knew for certain who was responsible, they did nothing until after 9/11 when they did everything the Clinton Admin recommended.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:24 pmI support Nancy Pelosi, who voted NAY on the original Resolution, and took power when 60% of the House Dems joined her.
Pelosi’s job is NOT to provide a solution to Bush’s policies. It is rightwing racist republican policy — let them wear it around their necks.
Her support of Rep. Murtha’s recent statement comes SPECIFICALLY with the disclaimer that it is not the policy of the Caucus.
Those who rush to defend and support Murtha ought to realize that this warhawk TOTALLY opposes most of what TP readers support. Like John McCain, he has supported every single insane military adventure of the last twenty years. He and Duke Cunningham authored that ‘flag burning’ bill a couple of years ago.
As Seymour Hirsch has noted, Rep. Murtha’s statement is a report directly from the GENERALS, who are rebelling against the flypaper ’strategy.’
Hirsch goes on to point out that withdrawal of boots on the ground will accompany a VAST INCREASE IN IRAQI DEATHS THROUGH BOMBING.
With 15 permanent airbases in Iraq, and at least 10 new bases in Afghanistan, the USPNAC conspiracy has ZERO intention of leaving the ME, and the Murtha plan DOES NOT IN ANY WAY COMMIT TO WITHDRAWAL FROM USPNAC POLICY. It suggests pulling up the boots, and bombing the place(s) into submission.
“There is no more Iraq. There will be three territories.” — Kissinger, early 2004, unaware he was being reported.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:25 pmNice summary, Paul in LA — you’ve said it all, short and sweet — and accurately!
November 30th, 2005 at 9:27 pmExcept that the military is very wary of the bombing plan because they don’t know who will be the tergeters for their bombs — we could be dragged into being the air supply for a civil war.
November 30th, 2005 at 9:30 pmDanny K,
This song’s for you: (from militaryproject.org)
After I returned from Iraq in Feb 2005, I began to struggle with my political and moral justification for the war that I was now a veteran of.
My political views began to falter. I no longer could swallow what the public was being told. I knew it was different than what the talking heads on the news and the spin-doctors in the government were saying it was.
I floated around thinking about what I had done, what I had seen, where I had been. It all seemed surreal. I was trying to talk to my friends at home and they didn’t quite get it. They tried to understand but nothing could put it into terms they could grasp.
This went on for several months, but I never quite connected with anyone well enough to explain it. I began to feel isolated and alone. I thought that I would never get anyone to “understand” me. Then sometime around August something happened that made me realize how I was to come to terms with it.
Cindy Sheehan had moved into Crawford. The small town of less than 1000 had been turned into the site of a national media spectacle. The mother of a soldier wanted to know why her son had been killed. She needed to hear from the President what the real reason was.
I felt a pull to the town just to see what was going on. A buddy of mine and I made the 105 mile drive to the north on a Sunday afternoon. Little did I know that this trip would change me forever. I sat down and wrote this with memory still fresh in my head .
My week had been a little off. I had this nagging feeling since Sunday evening. I thought it was school starting or maybe I was coming down with something, but tonight I figured out what it was. I had yet to find the correct words to describe my and my buddy’s trip to Crawford on Sunday.
I then came to a solution. There is no way to describe it. You had to see the helplessness, fear and disillusionment in the eyes of the people. You had to see the white crosses. You had to see the world turned on it’s ass in microcosm in a small Texas town. But here goes nothing…
On the drive to Crawford, we mused about what to expect in Crawford. We came to a consensus and decided that it was going to be a circus. Upon arrival, we were not disappointed.
On our drive through town (approx. 10 seconds), we saw protestors from both sides lining the main strip. Neither side was making an effort to talk to the other. There was a tension that you could taste. Somewhere out there was the answer to what caused the tension. After a quick turn around, we headed back into town and fell in behind a “Peace Bus.” We knew we were on the right track.
As we made the turn onto the road leading to Camp Casey, a knot formed in my stomach. I began to wonder if I was doing the right thing. Am I supposed to be here? Am I betraying my brothers in arms like the media says? Is this the right thing to do? I couldn’t answer the questions. So I drove on.
We drove past Camp Casey 1. Protestors were on both sides yelling at us and at each other. This was the circus that we had talked about. I noticed the white crosses. I tried to ignore them and focus on the road. My buddy made a comment about how nice the country side was. It helped snap me back from the blackness I was beginning to feel. We drove past the turn to Bush’s “ranch” and made our way to Camp Casey 2.
We parked on the road and began to walk towards the area. Part of me wanted to run. I still wasn’t sure if I was doing the right thing, but as we crested the hill and I saw the cross memorial. I was certain that I knew someone in there. I knew I was in too deep.
We paid a nominal visit to the crosses, and then moved into the tent to see what was going on. I saw posters for varying organizations. I saw the 15 ft. coffin covered with the names of fallen soldiers. People were milling about, talking about this and that. The knot tightened in my stomach a little. But I drove on.
My buddy had to pee, so we went over to the Porta-John area. A woman wearing an organizational button approached us.
She asked our names, but was more concerned about our stance on the war. “Are you guys against the war,” she asked?
I shook head and begrudgingly mumbled yes. I am against the way that it has been handled and managed. I am against the massive loss of life on both sides. I was then struggling with the plausibility of being against the war and for the troops. I then told her that I was a veteran. She turned cold. I think she saw me as a threat. I walked away.
I had noticed a tent set up near the rear of the camp. My interest was peaked, so we walked over.
It was the tent for Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW).
I stood outside for a few minutes and finally mustered up the guts to go in. The first guy I talked to seemed a little distracted. But there was another vet there that seemed more interested. We started a short conversation about where we had been stationed in Iraq and what not. Normal Army guy chit-chat, but there was more in that conversation than anyone could have known.
My buddy saw the whole exchange, but I’m not sure that he got it all. I saw in the other vet’s eyes that he knew exactly where I was without even asking. I saw that he understood my pain. He shared the demons I have. I said more to him in five minutes than I have to anyone since I got back six months ago. My healing began at that point.
I knew then it was time to face my personal hell. I walked over to the crosses and I began to look at each one. I said a prayer and told them that I would use the rest of my life to make sure that they were not forgotten. I wanted to find the parents of each one and give them a hug. I wanted to tell them that their son or daughter had not died in vain. That they fought for each other and a ticket home. I wanted to go back to the second that they were killed and rescue them so that their families would stop suffering.
When I was done, we got back in the jeep and rolled down to the other camp. This one was more chaotic. Had more of a militant feel. These people were there to get a message out. I listened, but something else was calling me. The first set of white crosses we had passed. They were sitting there begging me to do something for them. All I could do was walk and say a prayer.
I started down the row heavy footed with my friend. We walked together for a bit, exchanging glances at names we thought we knew. I adjusted flowers and even righted a flag that had been placed upside down. I then began to get ahead of him. I just kept walking. I got half way through and tears began to stream down my face.
I was angry. I wanted to run up to Bush’s house and kick in his door. I wanted to force him to tell me what we were fighting for. Why all of this death? What reason did he justify this with? What allowed him to sleep peacefully at night while I tossed and turned with the sound of gunfire and mortars in my head?
As I calmed down, we headed back to my Jeep. Amid the honks of cars and the screaming of protestors, the true message was there. Never forget the fallen. I took one last look around and drove on.
This simple trip made me realize that I had a duty as a soldier to get the word out.
There are other soldiers out there that need to have an experience that I did. They need to start the healing process.
On top of that, the American people needed to know what was really going on. People needed to see what was happening in Iraq.
I have since made a pledge to myself and to the memory of the more than 2000 dead that the world will never forget them.
That their names, deeds and actions will be remembered every time.
. . . By Ryan Timmins, http://www.optruth.org/
November 30th, 2005 at 10:05 pmRobert Dreyfuss (read his excellent new book Devil’s Game) explained it all in 2003:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2003/03/ma_273_01.html
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