From “Mission Accomplished” to “Tough Days Ahead”
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From “Mission Accomplished” to “Tough Days Ahead”
Bush today:
Before our mission in Iraq is accomplished, there will be tough days ahead.
Bush, May 2003:
On Thursday, I visited the USS Abraham Lincoln, now headed home after the longest carrier deployment in recent history. I delivered good news to the men and women who fought in the cause of freedom: their mission is complete and major combat operations in Iraq have ended.
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Now headed home? Hahahahahahahahahahaha
We were providing security along the costline and NO ONE was allowed to take photos or tape the President as he took off from the airbase for his 10 minute flight!!!
Hahahahahaha…The carrier was going in a circle just off the California coast!!!
What a CROCK!
November 30th, 2005 at 1:36 pmThis picture needs to be blown up as large as possible and put onto billboards in every city in America.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:38 pmTaken from the “Presidency for Dummies” workbook? Or the “Idiots guide to the Presidency?”
November 30th, 2005 at 1:38 pmHow did this idiot get re-elected? What a stain on our history.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:38 pmLadies and Gentlemen, I present to you the President of the United States, George W. Bush, bloodthirsty flip-flopper and dissembler extraordinaire!
November 30th, 2005 at 1:38 pmComparaisons .
When Clinton spoke the markets , the emplyoments rose .
When W opens his mouth with illusionary statements the markets go down ,unemployement rises , GM , Merk , Bristol Myers , Ford etc etc lay off good old traditional jobs , the middle class disapears , and Georgie’s friends get rich.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:40 pmCool – another caption contest: “Now on to Iran, and see this thumb? This is the one I’m going to use to push the button in the briefcase that no-neck in a suit over there is holding. And guess what – poof, no turban-headed bearded men in dresses left to set fire to our flag and bad mouth us.”
November 30th, 2005 at 1:42 pmFlip. Flop.
I smile whenever someone tries to defend Bush and his Henchmen. They reveal themselves to be fools, unthinking, uncaring, immoral, and unethical.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:42 pmAnother one: “Did everyone see how big my package was? Come on thumbs up, see I am the commander-in-chief”
November 30th, 2005 at 1:44 pmBush has just simply never quite known what the hell he was talking about.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:45 pmHmmm, ya know, I’m just sitting here wondering what other presidents or world leaders there have been who have so exploited and used the military for back drops and photo-ops.
Let’s see, the only other president I can think of is one from another country, and his name is Kim Jong Ill. As for world leaders, the only than think of is an italian, a german, and all of the whackjobs from the USSR. But I’m sure that its just coincidental.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:51 pmNow headed home? Hahahahahahahahahahaha
We were providing security along the costline and NO ONE was allowed to take photos or tape the President as he took off from the airbase for his 10 minute flight!!!
Hahahahahaha…The carrier was going in a circle just off the California coast!!!
What a CROCK!
Comment by IraqVet
What’s this “we” shit bozo? How come every time the opportunity presents itself to piss on our flag you show up to provide “eye witness news”, hummmm? IraqVet my ass. I think you’re a twelve year old punk. Better get back to class loser, lunch time is over.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:51 pmCaption:
*wink*
November 30th, 2005 at 1:53 pm“Mission Accomplished Mr. Cheney. The Iraqi oil will soon be ours. (whispers) Can you believe the US fell for this?”
Caption:
November 30th, 2005 at 1:53 pm‘And the President thought to himself: “I hope I’m holding up the right finger.”‘
Caption:
“And this thumbs up is for you, autocue.”
November 30th, 2005 at 1:53 pmAh, I see that Ass Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Check is back. So, sir, how do you reconcile the message that bush delivered on the aircraft carrier and the one that he delivered today?
Oh, and by the way, when do you start your enlistment?
November 30th, 2005 at 1:54 pmPresidential Logic (Completion-Backward Principle):
1. We’re in Iraq
2. If we’re in Iraq, there must be a mission.
3. If there’s a mission, it must be a matter of US national security.
4. If Iraq is threat to US national security, we must invade.
5. Our mission, ipso facto, is to invade Iraq.
6. If our mission is not yet accomplished, it means we have not invaded Iraq.
7. A mission that is not accomplished is a failure.
8. Failure is the opposite of success.
9. In order to succeed, we must invade Iraq. And we must keep invading Iraq until our mission is completed.
QED.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:54 pmHmmm, ya know, I’m just sitting here wondering what other presidents or world leaders there have been who have so exploited and used the military for back drops and photo-ops.
Let’s see, the only other president I can think of is one from another country, and his name is Kim Jong Ill. As for world leaders, the only than think of is an italian, a german, and all of the whackjobs from the USSR. But I’m sure that its just coincidental.
Comment by Pessimist
I guess you conveniently forgot Clinton’s tearful photo op on the Normandy beach?
November 30th, 2005 at 1:54 pmI-RIGHT-I,
IraqVet has already told you exactly how to find him. Why don’t you go show him how tough you are. Little bitch.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:54 pmor:
November 30th, 2005 at 1:55 pm“Hey who is pulling that string, gimme back my hand!”
I guess you conveniently forgot Clinton’s tearful photo op on the Normandy beach?
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Yeah. But that was a “good” war, and one we had a chance of winning…and, in fact, won. Oh, and Clinton was our Last Elected President, so I’m willing to cut him some slack.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:57 pmOr:
“I can’t hear you in my earpiece. When should I put my thumb down.”
November 30th, 2005 at 1:57 pmFor all intents and purposes, Bill Clinton is “President of Planet Earth”…
…which must REALLY stick in IRI’s craw.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:59 pmBill Clinton is a narcissist.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:02 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
Ah yes, Clinton attending a public ceremony commemorating D-Day is EXACTLY the same as what bush is doing. Sir, either you are an idiot or…oh screw it, you’re an idiot.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:04 pmAh, I see that Ass Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Check is back. So, sir, how do you reconcile the message that bush delivered on the aircraft carrier and the one that he delivered today?
Oh, and by the way, when do you start your enlistment?
Comment by Pessimist
You mean Mission Accomplished? You know as well as I that sign was referring to the mission the carrier just returned from. What a bunch of piss-ant losers you people are.
Taking me out of my present position would hinder the war effort. Unfortunately they never let guys like me get shot at. How about you? Can Burger King spare you?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:04 pm#24
True. But he sure makes Dubbya look small and weak whenever he’s around.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:04 pmSee my spoof on how Bush’s slogans are going in reverse:
http://whatamockery.com/2005/11/war-slogans-going-in-reverse.html
Mr. Mocker
November 30th, 2005 at 2:05 pmhttp://whatamockery.com
John Kerry commenting on that back/frontdrop ‘thing’:
http://www.cspan.org/
[Sens. Kerry & Reed Response to Pres. Bush Address on Iraq]
November 30th, 2005 at 2:05 pm“Bill Clinton is a narcissist.”
I think you have to be a narcissist to be in politics. So that statement was a waste of electrons.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:06 pmYou mean Mission Accomplished? You know as well as I that sign was referring to the mission the carrier just returned from.
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Pull the other one — it’s got bells on it.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:06 pm“You know as well as I that sign was referring to the mission the carrier just returned from.”
Is that the current lie for the picture. How about his statement:
“I delivered good news to the men and women who fought in the cause of freedom: their mission is complete and major combat operations in Iraq have ended.”
November 30th, 2005 at 2:08 pmIRI
“Combat operations are over”
You’re an idiot.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:08 pm“Taking me out of my present position would hinder the war effort.”
Yes, we know you are part of the 101st Tactical Fighting Keyboardists.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:08 pmI guess you conveniently forgot Clinton’s tearful photo op on the Normandy beach?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 30, 2005 @ 1:54 pm
I-RIGHT-I, what do you hate our soldiers so much?
President Clinton was paying homage to their sacrifice. The only homage Bush pays to them is $3.00 a gallon gas prices, while he holds hands with Arabs royalty.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:09 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
First off, you tell me exactly where the “mission accomplished” sign came from and who put it there. I already have the facts but it is obvious from your response that you do not.
And since you are in such a priveledged position that you are crucial to the war effort then you will have no problem explaining in precise detail what the “noble mission” is. Please, enlighten us.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:09 pmActually, we should give the President the benefit of the doubt. When he said “Mission Accomplished”, he was obviously basing that on his lengthy military experience, much the same as Lt. Col. Bill O’Reilly does when he opines on the Current Unpleasantness in Iraq.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:10 pmTaking me out of my present position would hinder the war effort.
____
Ah — ass up and cheeks apart. Yes, your “position” is INDISPENSABLE to Bush’s war effort.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:11 pmIt’s amazing where they can put a telepromter these days!
November 30th, 2005 at 2:13 pmWow, he looks so young then. What happened? Oh, yeah, Mr. Cuckoo Bananas met reality. I hope his cell mate remebers how cute he used to be.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:13 pmHow come every time the opportunity presents itself to piss on our flag you show up to provide “eye witness newsâ€, hummmm?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 30, 2005 @ 1:51 pm
Would you care to explain how to publicly criticise Pres. Bush is tantamount to “piss on the flag”?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:16 pmAnother one: “See, if I hold my thumb out and close one eye, I can make Ari Fleischer disappear, heh, heh”
November 30th, 2005 at 2:17 pm#42 “I’m crushing your head!”
November 30th, 2005 at 2:19 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek always throws out inflamatory and bogus claims and then runs and hides without ever explaining or supporting them. Now that I think of it, it kinda sounds like the pendejo in the picture above. Hmmm, makes you wonder….
November 30th, 2005 at 2:20 pmOne more: “Any of you Democrat pussies wanna thumb wrassel?”
November 30th, 2005 at 2:21 pmSo if FDR had announced after V-E day that “Our mission is accomplished”, would you consider him a liar because, after all, we still have thousands of troops stationed in Europe 60 years later?
Just asking because you folks are either too ignorant or too blinded-by-the-hate to understand the difference between “major combat operations” and the ensuing stablization and democratization of Iraq.
If we use your logic, WWII is STILL going on and our mission (defeating the Nazis) has not been accomplished because, after all, we still have troops there.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:25 pmFine point tomaig … wasn’t that “mission accomplished” sign in reference to that ship and it’s crew in the first place?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:26 pmDon’t let the trolls sidetrack everyone.
Let’s get back to the sheer fun of bashing Bush!
November 30th, 2005 at 2:27 pm(No. Not the troops. Or America. Just the pin head in the Oval Office. So zip it, Trolls.)
#46 – I don’t believe that the US took 90% of its WWII European Theater casualties after VE day….your argument is seriously flawed.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:28 pmNo longer “Mission Accomplished”?
Talk about a picture and an event that comes back to bite you in the butt. This political stunt has to rank as the ultimate gaffe for this presidency. Iraq has done nothing but gone downhill since this event. More soldiers have died since “Mission Ac…
November 30th, 2005 at 2:29 pmAny statement that begins with “if” is not “fine”.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:30 pmtomaig and IRI seem rather amiss today.
#47 are you saying the “mission wasn’t accomplised” then G? Say it wasn’t so? Then why did the Pentagon expect the troop levels to be reduced to 30,000 and the oil to be paying for the invasion by September 2003? Bush: “Major combat operations have ended” – Fallajuah, April 2004 and November 2004, Al-Ansar province 2005…
I’m confused, who to believe, the Chimp, the Pentagon, my lying eyes?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:31 pmCaption: “Ma index finger is purple, and my thumb is brown, see. Now give a guess where that thumb’s been soldiers.”
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November 30th, 2005 at 2:32 pmAmericans would not have signed up for a war with no end. That’s clear as of this very moment. He lied then. He’ll lie again. It’s all lies. I can’t believe he shows his face anymore.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:36 pmBeing honest to Americans is more inportant than the Iraq war. And it’s too late for that.
Don’t let the trolls sidetrack everyone.
Let’s get back to the sheer fun of bashing Bush!
Comment by True Blue
Spoken like a true idealogue … every bit of this discussion is total conjecture with people from both sides of the political aisle cherry picking those items/facts that add value to their currently held beliefs and ignoring anything that causes them to reconsider those beliefs … it seems that most here love to read any slander directed toward the president/repubs and never consider the sources … one can always prove what one sets out to prove … this requires zero thought and makes us comfortable in our own skin, but anyone who behaves this way is truly ignorant … I read (sometimes post) Think Progress almost daily and I’m amazed at the self cheering. There are those that appear to think (Gregor comes to mind) who astutely disagree, but the whole “we’re right, they’re stupid” is alarming and childish.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:37 pm“Spoken like a true idealogue … “GeoMetro
You should know, I’ve yet to see anything from you or the other trolls that isn’t propaganda fascist idealogue nonsense. We post FACTS and PROOF, and you post conjecture, yet you consistently claim the contrary.
STFU you lying idiot.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:38 pm“one can always prove what one sets out to prove … ” GeoMetro
That’s not true, but unscientific and irrational republican idiots always think so. As the old saying goes, you can have your own opinion, but you can’t have your own ‘facts’. And republicans don’t use FACTS to prove, they use opinions to justify.
The FACT that you can’t distinguish the difference just shows you’re an idiot, but it doesn’t PROVE the lies you propagate.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:40 pm“You stupid sign maker!, what I ‘ment’ was MISSION IMPOSSABLE!”….GW BUSH
November 30th, 2005 at 2:40 pmBush finds missing “Strategy for War” document
President Bush today announced that the document that outlines the strategy for winning the war in Iraq has finally been found on his ranch in Crawford after mysteriously going AWOL three years ago. The document, that had been missing ever since the …
November 30th, 2005 at 2:41 pm“When I say “now”, soldiers, throw your pretzels and try to get a ringer on my thumb. NOW…… I’ll even try to eat a few in bed tonight without choking.”
November 30th, 2005 at 2:41 pmSo I went to see what Fox News had to say about Mission Accomplished, 2003 – they’ve removed all their reporting on it….now why would anyone do that? But over here I found Bush himself: ‘Bush tells U.S. troops in Qatar: ‘America sent you on a mission, and that mission has been accomplished.’ http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/05/qatar.bush/index.html
So the ‘just for the ship’ bull is simply that, bull. Or are you calling your Dear Leader a liar?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:41 pm#56 you have a point, except when people compare “Mission Accomplished Day” to “VE Day” and a WWII memorial to “We have prevailed” or the post-WWII occupation of Germany with the post-Mission Accomplished occupation of Iraq. In those cases, what can one say?
Problem is, we are not allowed to participate in discussions on right-wing blogs, and these open blogs seem to mainly attract wacky “screw you losers” types.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:44 pm[...] From “Mission Accomplished” to “Tough days ahead”. On Thursday, I visited the USS Abraham Lincoln, now headed home after the longest carrier deployment in recent history. I delivered good news to the men and women who fought in the cause of freedom: their mission is complete and major combat operations in Iraq have ended. [...]
November 30th, 2005 at 2:46 pmWould you care to explain how to publicly criticize Pres. Bush is tantamount to “piss on the flag�
Comment by Gregor Samsa
I don’t know what country you come from or what your native language is but I can tell you the rhetoric directed against the President and the United States on this site is a far cry from criticism. Why do I have to point that out?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:47 pm#62 “they’ve removed all their reporting on it….now why would anyone do that?”
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Probably for the same reason they removed all their coverage of the “dancing Israelis” in NYC on 9-11, and the ring of Israeli “moving companies” and art student/Mossad operatives that was quietly permitted to break camp and leave the US in the days that followed.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:47 pmGWB = Asshole & Liar
November 30th, 2005 at 2:47 pmWow. The trolls are really stupid today.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:50 pmWhere did they get that “only the ship”
crap? New fax from Rove?
I don’t think they could fool anybody
with something that stupid, but here?
They must be getting paid.
Mission Accomplished…oil wells and infrastructure secured
November 30th, 2005 at 2:50 pmWow, Ryan…for a self-described Hindu pacifist, you sure sound ANGRY all the time.
Maybe some chanting is in order?
BTW, do you come from a long line of Irish-named Hindus, or is this a recent (say, around the time you were a sophomore) conversion?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:51 pm“one can always prove what one sets out to prove … â€
That’s not true, but unscientific and irrational republican idiots always think so. As the old saying goes, you can have your own opinion, but you can’t have your own ‘facts’. And republicans don’t use FACTS to prove, they use opinions to justify.
The FACT that you can’t distinguish the difference just shows you’re an idiot, but it doesn’t PROVE the lies you propagate.
– Comment by Ryan Neat
So Ryan … those people that find “facts” in support of intelligent design (I’m talking PhD scientists (aka Einstein) and not local pastors) don’t really have facts according to you I guess (just as an example) … it’s very easy to manipulate statistics let alone “facts” … why … because very few things are black and white … this is not a difficult concept.
I also have yet to post any “lies” nor have I “propogated” anything today, at least anything that is conservative (other than that people here seem to enjoy slapping their own backs) which is not only inarguable but basic human nature … it’s also supremely ignorant.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:53 pmGiacomo,
The point that you are attempting to make is at the foundation of the success of blogs, and that is that current events and issues are best discussed, through cognitive discourse, rather than just “spewed”.
Yet, criticising folks for their manner of discussion is wholly unfair. Also, labeling folks as “ideologues” only attempts to negate them. Everyone can be labeled an ideologue.
I believe that the discussions sometimes go astray but that is only because the topics are so extreme. This thread is a poignant example of such. People have strong opinions and feelings on these issues and the issues themselves have life or death consequences.
I would suggest, if I may be so bold, that you present your opinions and arguments on the issue. That is what this is all about, and the beauty that is the foundation of democracy. Let the voices be heard!
November 30th, 2005 at 2:54 pm#71,
So why were you here exactly?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:54 pmOT
On The Washington Note, Steve Clemons has posted a letter from Al Jazeer to Tony Blair to release the bombing memo.
He speculates the memo will finally be made public, but this trying to hide mistakes, and the missing info talked about above only further disgraces the US.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:55 pmThey act like little kids: if I cover it up, it never happened.
GWB = Asshole & Liar
Comment by Zookeeper
Wow … poignant and insightful. I guess from your many meetings with the man himself, you’re able to declare this.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:55 pm#75,
So why were you here exactly?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:56 pmSo why were you here exactly?
Comment by afterthought
I’m looking for people like Gregor (maybe others) who think differently than me … but actually think. Ryan does sometimes, but his caca mouth often gets the best of him.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:57 pmGiacomo,
I haven’t met you, and I can clearly and insightfully say you’re an overinflated and ignorant windbag…
See it’s not hard at all to see people if you pay attention..
November 30th, 2005 at 2:57 pmGiacomo,
I think more in an hour than you have in your entire life. I’d rather have caca in my mouth, than have it be the only composition in my skull – which is clearly your case…
November 30th, 2005 at 2:58 pm#77,
Okay fair enough, though Ryan typically
November 30th, 2005 at 2:59 pmtreats people as they treat him.
Anyway, where did you want start discussing
the “mission accomplished” thing?
“So Ryan … those people that find “facts†in support of intelligent design (I’m talking PhD scientists (aka Einstein) and not local pastors) don’t really have facts according to you I guess (just as an example) … it’s very easy to manipulate statistics let alone “facts†… why … because very few things are black and white … this is not a difficult concept.
I also have yet to post any “lies†nor have I “propogated†anything today, at least anything that is conservative (other than that people here seem to enjoy slapping their own backs) which is not only inarguable but basic human nature … it’s also supremely ignorant.
Comment by Giacomo ”
Bahaha, that’s really funny, on so MANY levels.
The theory of intelligent design isn’t even a THEORY, it’s a supposition and a preconception. It’s an ANTI theory.
See the difference between intelligent design and SCIENCE is that science actually has facts, experiments and proofs that either complete or discredit the hypothesis. Intelligent design is a relgious myth masquerading as scientific lingo.
It’s ANTI-FACT, just like you, you idiot.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:00 pm“Okay fair enough, though Ryan typically
treats people as they treat him.” afterthought
That’s sort of true. I don’t mind being the first person to use ‘caca’ language, even if someone else hasn’t. But I do so because they’re being an idiot or a propagandist.
I’d like to say I speak to my audience. If someone is being thoughtful, intelligent and is actually capable of an honest discussion, I give it to them. GeoMetro is just another loser nerd who likes to argue because he THINKS he’s smart, but who doesn’t realize how stupid in the REAL world he actually is. It’s typical of folks who are intellectually driven and socially challenged – which seems to be MANY of the republican variety.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:02 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
I recognize the language that Mr. Samsa speaks, it is english. You may or may not be familiar with it but it is an acceptable language here in the USA and understood by most of its citizens.
I take issue with you saying that the valid discussions and opinions in this thread are “rhetoric” and not criticism.
Rhetoric would be: “George bush is a pencil dick and anyone who follows him must be sucking on it.”
Criticism: “George bush lies, such as the falsehoods he used in justifying the war, and he is horribly mismanaging this country.”
Do you see it differently?
November 30th, 2005 at 3:06 pmPessimist
I usually do present my opinions … they are often met with venom. I think putting “mission accomplished” on the ship (for whatever reason) was a stupid thing to do (in hindsight which of course is 20/20) … I think president Bush going to the ship was both 1) a stunt for our (the people’s benefit) 2) a nice thing to do for the troops returning home (if it were me on that ship, I’d be keyed up to meet any US President) … I think that at his basic core, president Bush feels strongly that he knows the way to protect this country from further attack (has he done so, so far, but time will tell) … I don’t think the war was over oil, I don’t think the war was over capitalism … I think we were attacked on 9/11, it happened on this president’s watch, and he determined that this course of action was the best way to stop it from happeneing again (a strategy agreed with by other countries without a vested interest in Saddam’s Iraq) … I think 25 million Iraqis are hoping we and they can succeed while 10,000 Iraqis/Non-Iraqis are hell bent to stop us … I think a democratic Arab nation is akin to a unicorn prior to Iraq (mostly) and we need to do everything possible to help them.
One can say that Bush’s ideas were wrong/bad/horrible/misguided without questioning his intentions. When you questions someone’s intentions you immediately and cheaply de-ligitmize their opinions/actions and make your own stronger. None of us truly can know any politicians motives for most of their actions … disagreeing with those actions is enough, calling GWB a facist or a A-hole or whatever is childish.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:06 pmcaption contest:
The colosseum crowd to Bush: up or down on Osama, W?
unhhuh
November 30th, 2005 at 3:07 pmRyan … I’ve never stooped to calling you names, nor have I questioned your motives/intentions, nor have I accused you of intellectual inferiority. You may be a patriot, you may not be … the fact that anyone who disagrees with you automatically falls under your category of “idiot” is very unlearned and supremely arrogant.
I don’t “argue” to prove anything to myself or any other … I discuss because surrounding myself with those that only agree with me makes me dumb. I could care less what name I’m called … I’m here to find other rational people who may, rationally, think differently than I do. You seem to not fit that bill.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:13 pm“I’ve never stooped to calling you names, nor have I questioned your motives/intentions, nor have I accused you of intellectual inferiority.”GeoMetro
Whoopie for you, and how could you accuse me of intellectual inferiority when clearly you’re borderline retarded.
“I don’t “argue†to prove anything to myself or any other … ”
So you just do it to waste time. Makes sense, that’s classic republican ineptitude in action…
“I discuss because surrounding myself with those that only agree with me makes me dumb.”
No your inability to learn and listen makes you dumb.
“I could care less what name I’m called … I’m here to find other rational people who may, rationally, think differently than I do. You seem to not fit that bill.”
No you’re not, you’re hear to annoy people, spread propaganda and avoid learning while convincing yourself that you’re ’smart’. Trolls like you are a dime a dozen, and like a classic idiot, you all think you’re original…
November 30th, 2005 at 3:17 pm“I usually do present my opinions … they are often met with venom.”GeoMetro
That’s because you don’t present them as opinions, you present them as ‘facts’. And you also post sources that are known outlets of lies and propaganda, instead of ACTUAL source material.
That makes you a propagandist idiot who DOESN’T do his homework. You’re lazy, self righteous and frankly a little stupid.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:18 pmGiacomo, don’t pay any attention to these dorks. Most of the drivel you see written here is from spineless wimps like Ryan. As for facts, they believe if any comment is presented in print it becomes fact. You just have to realize that they are very tired of always being on the losing end of everything they’ve ever tried to promote. They never seem to have any answers for anything, only complaints.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pmGiacomo, don’t pay any attention to these dorks. Most of the drivel you see written here is from spineless wimps like Ryan. As for facts, they believe if any comment is presented in print it becomes fact. You just have to realize that they are very tired of always being on the losing end of everything they’ve ever tried to promote. They never seem to have any answers for anything, only complaints.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pmGiacomo,
Just to clarify something for you, Einstein did not believe in intelligent design. He has some very interesting thoughts and observations on the presence and effect of God in the physical make-up and functions of the universe, but I’m relatively certain (pun intented)that he agreed with darwin’s theory of evolution.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm“I think that at his basic core, president Bush feels strongly that he knows the way to protect this country from further attack (has he done so, so far, but time will tell) … I don’t think the war was over oil, I don’t think the war was over capitalism … I think we were attacked on 9/11, it happened on this president’s watch, and he determined that this course of action was the best way to stop it from happeneing again (a strategy agreed with by other countries without a vested interest in Saddam’s Iraq) …”GeoMetro
Then you’re stupid. Oil and the palestinians are the two reasons we went to war. Douglas Feith was supplying intelligence reports, and he’s now been caught as a mossad agent. Israel wanted to topple saddam, and so did the NeoCons who wanted Iraq’s oil. It’s outlined in the PNAC agenda you retard, that Cheney and Rumsfeld SIGNED. It says that oil is in regions that must be SECURED by american might.
For someone who says they want to KNOW the truth, you are woefully uninformed, yet highly opinionated in your ignorance. In otherwords, you’re a typical republican IDIOT!
November 30th, 2005 at 3:21 pmI don’t know what country you come from or what your native language is but I can tell you the rhetoric directed against the President and the United States on this site is a far cry from criticism. Why do I have to point that out?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 30, 2005 @ 2:47 pm
This is exactly why I say it is almost impossible for you to post a comment that does not include derogatory language directed towards foreigners and/or minorities.
You have no idea what I look like, but you had to start with a low, cheap attempt at a swipe.
So, some people go beyond criticising Pres. Bush. I will repeat my question: How is that akin to “pissing on the flag”? How is that to be un-patriotic?
The allegiance of a true patriot is to the country and the principles it stands on, not to a leader.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:23 pm“Most of the drivel you see written here is from spineless wimps like Ryan. As for facts, they believe if any comment is presented in print it becomes fact.”UnAmericanPieHole
Not true, the Wall Street Journal and NYPost are absolute trash heaps of propaganda. But your little swiftboating lie of me is typical of the ‘faith based’ fascist republicans who only believe what their fuhrer tells them. Drivel aptly describes the tripe you’ve written, but it also describes all of the unscientific, unfactual and idiotic ‘opinions’ of the reichwing hate machine.
You guys are such pathetic losers…
November 30th, 2005 at 3:23 pmGregor,
Very measured and intellectual response in #93, but your target audience unfortunately doesn’t have the cranial capacity to process this sophisticated response. Let me help.
Hey MizzWrong, just because you lick the crack of your nazi master doesn’t make you a good american or a good christian, but it certainly makes you a retarded fascist!
November 30th, 2005 at 3:25 pmI for one love you, Ryan!
November 30th, 2005 at 3:27 pmAnd I love how you debunk these trolls with such ease.
Just because you guys change your screen names to make it seem like there are more of you doesn’t mean we believe it.
You are republican paid smear whores.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:28 pmComment by Giacomo — November 30, 2005 @ 3:06 pm
ROTFLMAO.
Where the hell do you come up with this shit? Honestly, you want someone on this blog to feel anything but utter contempt for a dickweed you fondly refer to as the “president”?
He’s only holding his thumb in the air because he’s please that they have turned the carrier around so his ears won’t flap in the wind.
He’s a postcard president posturing for a good photo op and a one sentence sound bite so the chances of him severing his tongue with an incisor is minimized.
He got sucked into a neo-con agenda because his brain went one direction and his body another during a out of body experience after a good hit up his right nostril, being careful not to spill any on the mirror.
He has no redeeming qualities other than his propensity for time off which saves helicopter gas and the grass on the White House lawn.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:28 pmRyan
you have not caca in your mouth .Only Kafka in mind .
We are fighting the castle . Fortunatly this one is crumbling .
November 30th, 2005 at 3:29 pmTrue Blue,
Thanks, but it’s not that hard if you like to read :)
The problem with republicans is that they spout their ‘opinions’ before they do the research, so debunking them is kinda childs play. And they’re all such typical ‘bullies’ (eg. overcompensating insecure wimps), that they can’t actually stand up and fight a real fight. It’s why so many of them are chickenhawks. All talk, no action…
November 30th, 2005 at 3:30 pmCheck this out!!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,952135,00.html
IDIOTS travel in limited numbers…while cohesion and abundance favors the well prepared!
November 30th, 2005 at 3:31 pmSpudge,
The giveaway was the whole ‘einstein and intelligent design’ thing. Anyone that quotes that is another Opus Dei cult whacko from the clique of MizzWrong.
Those guys are retarded enough to need an EXTRA SHORT short bus.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:32 pmyour target audience unfortunately doesn’t have the cranial capacity to process this sophisticated response. Let me help.
Comment by Ryan Neat — November 30, 2005 @ 3:25 pm
Yeah, well…. I was trying to be polite… so, is that what my response translates into? Wow. I guess one never stops learning ;-)
November 30th, 2005 at 3:35 pmComment by AmericamPie — November 30, 2005 @ 3:20 pm
And just what are the facts you limpdick?? A republican agenda. What the hell is that? Blow shit up and maim or kill tens of thousands of civilians. Invade and occupy? Spend 250 billion bucks over an illusionary threat? Cut medicade spending, education, veteran benefits? Tax cuts for the weathiest Americans?
Gay bashin, save me jesus, gun totin’, spew spouting, un ethical partisan, jerkoffs. That would be the Republican party.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:36 pmThe intelligent design guys are having to rewrite their own crap, because several of the ‘weak points’ in evolution have recently been proven.
In england they recently found the fossil evidence that shows the pre-cambrian explosion as a natural radiation.
And another scientific discovery showed how only MINOR individual gene changes affect major biological and physical changes. For instance if a gene is modified to change the length of a bone, then the muscle, skin and other tissues automatically grow to fit the new size without additional biological changes.
In otherwords the mechanims and system is SIMPLE as one would expect from a natural EVOLUTION as opposed to the ‘pre planned’ nonsense of the intelligent designers.
Besides, I always say if the design is so intelligent, why do men have boobs and humans all have an appendix that’s sole purpose is to rupture and put is in an emergency room.
There’s very little ‘intelligent’ about the design of biological system, but it is very cool!
November 30th, 2005 at 3:37 pmGregor,
That’s only one translation, each audience speaks a slightly different dialect – this one is just particularly stupid and crude, so the translation fits the target :)
November 30th, 2005 at 3:38 pmOkay now
#1
“Now headed home? Hahahahahahahahahahaha
We were providing security along the costline and NO ONE was allowed to take photos or tape the President as he took off from the airbase for his 10 minute flight!!!
Hahahahahaha…The carrier was going in a circle just off the California coast!!!
What a CROCK!
Comment by IraqVet — November 30, 2005 @ 1:36 pm”
#12
“What’s this “we†shit bozo? How come every time the opportunity presents itself to piss on our flag you show up to provide “eye witness newsâ€, hummmm? IraqVet my ass. I think you’re a twelve year old punk. Better get back to class loser, lunch time is over.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — November 30, 2005 @ 1:51 pm”
#101
“Check this out!!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ usa/ story/ 0,12271,952135,00.html
IDIOTS travel in limited numbers…while cohesion and abundance favors the well prepared!
Comment by IraqVet — November 30, 2005 @ 3:31 pm”
And from the Guardian Story:
“The carrier was only 30 miles short of its home port of San Diego, California, and was within easy reach by helicopter. It steamed around in lazy circles during much of his visit.”
Fvcking OWNED bitch!!!!!
November 30th, 2005 at 3:39 pmdave,
You’d think jesus would have said something about gay people if it were so important. After all, he supposedly re-affirmed that divorce and particularly remarriage were completely illegal. And yet divorce rates are higher among the devoutly religious than the general population. Just goes to show you that highly religious people seem to care the least about living ‘morally’ according to their own religions…
November 30th, 2005 at 3:40 pmI for one love you, Ryan!
And I love how you debunk these trolls with such ease.
Comment by True Blue
Ryan continues to state left leaning talking points and you think he’s debunked something.
1) Ryan, you say “Israel wanted to topple saddam” … so did President Clinton, President Bush, and most of Congress (and Britain, etc.). The question is, why shouldn’t we have toppled Saddam. That point makes zero sense … he was a brutal dictator who held his people under thumb. The world, I’m sure we can agree, is better without him in power. We must make sure that those of his ilk are driven from a now democratic Iraq.
2) You say that our plan was to make sure the oil was “SECURED by american might”. Do you remember what Saddam did to Kuwaits oilf fields last time around? Securing that resource was critical for the Iraqis to begin to generate money to support themselves … having all the fields ablaze would’ve crippled that.
Dave also adds –
He’s a postcard president posturing for a good photo op and a one sentence sound bite so the chances of him severing his tongue with an incisor is minimized.
He’s not the most eloquent guy in the world … we have all seen the king of posturing and the photo op – that would be our last president, not this one.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:42 pmI recently said that I smile whenever someone tries to defend Bush and his Henchmen. They reveal themselves to be fools, unthinking, uncaring, immoral, and unethical.
But I also realize something:
November 30th, 2005 at 3:43 pmNo matter what happens, no matter the truths that come to light, no matter if the US has no moral or ethical standing, no matter how many civilians are killed, no matter if Bush and his Henchmen are hauled off to jail or the Hague for legitimate reasons; there will always be a small collection of fools who will shout that Bush has been somehow wronged.
16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
November 30th, 2005 at 3:43 pm17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
If anyone is interested in a short letter from a soldier stationed in Iraq who’s not so…ummm…..pleased with the fuc*tard in chief, here you go. Might open the eyes of some of the wingnuttiest:
http://psstpsstpsst1.blogspot.com/2005/11/war-based-on-lie.html
November 30th, 2005 at 3:43 pmRyan: I too like the way you debunk the trolls! Of more value, however, are your posts that shed light on the nuances of issues. People like me who have little time to brush up on politics (Business School), yet don’t like to settle for MSM’s take, really apreciate your and others willingness to share your depth of knowledge on these subjects. Its too bad I have to scroll through so much crap to get the goods!
November 30th, 2005 at 3:44 pm#109 – Ryan, and add to your list the fact that 90% of sexual predators and offenders currently in jail list themselves as being devout “christians”.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:44 pmIn My air force jargon they are all flaps and no throttle. Did you know georgie girl’s nick name in the ANG was ” wind bag ” .Sure proved it to day.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:44 pmHIS THUMB UP IS’NT SO RIGID . Must not have the strength of his convictions .His body language says so.
5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:44 pm6 ¶ And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
OK, this thread has degenerated into Bible quotes – I’m off.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:46 pmThe question is, why shouldn’t we have toppled Saddam. (…) We must make sure that those of his ilk are driven from a now democratic Iraq.
Comment by Giacomo (aka GeoMetro) — November 30, 2005 @ 3:42 pm
Wrong answer. I despise Saddam hussein and his ilk as much as you do. Unfortunately, the US does not have the right to topple regimes at a whim. The US cannot decide who gets to run a country and who doesn’t, specially since that was the way Hussein got to be in power to begin with.
It seemed like such a good idea at the time -a strong man in Iraq to help stabilise the region and who would kowtow to American interests. Until he decided to invade Kuwait.
As to the second part, again, the US does not have the right to decide who stays and who leaves Iraq. That task is up to the Iraqis.
Whatever happened to Iraq being a sovereign nation? How can it ever be sovereign, when people like you are advocating it be run from Washington D.C?
November 30th, 2005 at 3:48 pmIsrael had Iraq #2 on their list of serious threats BEFORE UNSCOM started their work. Iraq was #8 and dropping rapidly on that very same list by the time Bush stole the WhiteHouse.
Why should we remove Saddam? I can’t think of any legitimate reason to do it through force of arms using our fine boys and girls. He was effectively unarmed, toothless, and hemmed in by the no fly zones.
Rather, we should have continued to support change from within Iraq itself. And we should have continued to work on finding Bush #41’s business partner’s son, Osama bin Laden.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:48 pmGiacomo,
We shouldn’t have invaded Iraq because he was boxed in and not dangerous. That’s a fact. Both Powell and Rice said as much ON THE RECORD in speeches given in 2001. Please read and listen (the video of their claims is under the 2nd link):
http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/index.cfm?Page=Article&ID=1132
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm
November 30th, 2005 at 3:48 pmDear MoveOn member,
In a speech today, President Bush tried to answer the majority of Americans who believe we need to change course in Iraq. But he offered no plans to bring troops home—just flashy public relations.
Bush’s public relations push comes at a tipping point in the Iraq debate. A majority of Americans want troops home in 2006 and former supporters of the war in Congress like Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) agree.
Members of Congress are changing and examining their position on Iraq right now. It is critical that they hear from all of us. For the next two weeks we’re circulating a petition calling on Congress to insist on an exit strategy to bring the troops home in 2006. Will you sign? Click below.
http://political.moveon.org/iraq/
November 30th, 2005 at 3:49 pmThe “Mission Accomplished” sign was Karl Rove’s idea. Later, Rove said that he regretted it.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:50 pmBy the way, I used the intelligent design theory/idea because I knew it was one that most people here would find ridiculous. My point was that there are those who set out to prove something and are able to do so simply becuase they completely negate the possibility that they could be wrong in what they believe. It’s bad science (it’s actually not science at all) and I think it applies here when some support their arguments with websites and “facts” that adhere to the way they think. It’s very hard to find untarnished ideas nowadays on both sides. It’s harder to find someone who may lean a certain direction (left or right) but doesn’t allow that to taint 100% of what they think (Lieberman comes to mind, and interestingly enough, he was trashed here by people yesterday).
I happen to be pro-life, against the death penalty (because it would be cognitively dissonant, to use Ryans’ word, to believe otherwise), etc. – I don’t adhere to party lines and I’ve voted for a, gasp, democrat (for governor).
Einstein did believe in evolution … he also had a strong belief in God based upon his empirical research … that’s why I referenced him.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:50 pmIf Iraq didn’t sit on the world’s second largest proven oil reserves, not one U.S. soldier or marine would have set foot on her soil. Ever.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:57 pmThis isn’t about “ideas”. This is about truth and fact vs opinion and strong desire.
The truths and facts around Iraq, Bush’s handling of the post 911 environment, natural disasters, and the economy all stand in stark contrast to the wishes and desires of conservative mouthpieces and spin masters.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:59 pmGregor, Jay and uhm … Jesus
I guess we basically disagree then on that point … from my perspective, we are put here (both individually and corporately) to stand up for those that can’t stand for themselves. I feel the Iraqis fit that bill. Is it fishy that we invade Iraq and ignore N. Korea … sure, but we also have China to help rattle N. Korea’s cage. Interestingly enough, most people have no trouble with our usurping the tyrants in Afgahnistan … is this because it was relatively easy to do or because there was a clear line from Afghanistan to those who perpetrated 9/11.
If we and the Iraqis are able to quell the terrorists, Iraq WILL be much better off … to say that it was none of our business and that it was up to Iraqis to toss him on his ear is too simplistic for me. We tend to be uneasy with the US “enforcing” it’s way of life on others, but have no problem with those same countries despots “enforcing” a way of life on their onw people. If you kill your own people, you can get away with it … if you invade someone else, we “can’t let that stand” (with apologies to Eddy Izzard for those that know him well).
November 30th, 2005 at 3:59 pmComment by freedom is not free! — November 30, 2005 @ 3:44 pm
Warning!!! Another “Left Behind” revelationist.
Do us all a favor and go read the Gnostic Gospels and then revisit this blog.
One dimensional and probably shit scared to look at themselves in the mirror.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:59 pmOf all the basket cases in the world where people are in need of help, why Iraq? Why not North Korea? Why not any number of countries in Africa?
There’s only one answer: Oil.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:02 pmaye : ELAINE PAGEL had it right , a must read .
November 30th, 2005 at 4:03 pmI say “WE” because I happen to be in the ARMED SERVICES! I talke to MANY people who know the REAL DEAL!!!
But I challenged you to step up and make your mark in our beloved military? You see, UNLIKE YOU, I honor my service and defend the constitution…Regardless of my personal beliefs! Honor to the CODE is more important than the person administering the orders!
Even though I feel that this war in unjust, I went and completed my tour, like THOUSANDS of other soldiers in the military! YES!!! I did say “WE” because I was there and saw the REAL story, unlike you; a person who waits for a news flash on FOX or some IDEOLOGICAL right-wing blog saying that the war is going great!
Like I told you earlier, and I’ll say it again! I have a spot waiting for you, and if you can hang with me for ONE week, then YOU win! But, PUNKS like you will keep yelling and trying to change the conversation while I stand in your face and call you a p***y!!!
If I am a 12 year old, then come and whoop my ass! I should not be a difficult challenge for you! Meet me on ARTILLERY FIELD! Name the time, and I’ll be there!
But, then again, YOU failed to take the hint! I have DESTROYED more punks like you in my career than I care to name! BRAVE in words, but COWARDS in action! I take pride in bringing my soldiers home to their families, and pray that they do not have to face combat again! For you, it’s a duty as long as YOU do not have to do it…
WILL YOU SERVE? (YES OR NO) No explanations! Just an answer will suffice!
If not, WHY NOT?
But, silly me, what else would I expect from someone who praises and supports a DRAFT DODGER!!!
SHOOT, MOVE, COMMUNICATE!
November 30th, 2005 at 4:03 pmBet you I-WRONG dodges it again (wink wink)
November 30th, 2005 at 4:06 pm#130 – My adopted son spent 1.5 years in Iraq as a reservist in the Army. He would agree with everything you just wrote. And then some.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:06 pmCould someone provide me a source for the statistics that “divorce rates are higher among the devoutly religious than the general population” and that “90% of sexual predators and offenders currently in jail list themselves as being devout christians” …
November 30th, 2005 at 4:07 pmthose facts are highly circumspect without the sources.
Giacomo,
Iraq was a sovereign nation. The Bush adminsitration didn’t say that we were going to invade Iraq so that we could liberate its people until the WMD lie was exposed. Come on Giacomo, you seem like you’re trying to have an honest debate here but you’ve got to be honest with yourself first. Every single justification for invading Iraq has been thoroughly exposed as a lie, there is NO WAY around this.
As someone mentioned earlier, you have to undertsand the PNAC’s goals (and its signatories) prior to Bush’s election to fully appreciate what happened here. This group and its stated goals is no secret. Once enough of the PNAC crowd was appointed to positions of power, Iraq’s invasion was a foregone conclusion, they just needed to justify it (see WHIG, Office of Special Plans, et al.).
You are coming across as painfully naieve and I want you to understand the truth. Not my truth, or Ryan’s or anyone else’s.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:08 pmSo If Cheney is one, DuhBya Must be also…
If I follow Neo-Kook logic -Aj
http://www.counterpunch.org/solomon11302005.html
AP added: “Wilkerson blamed Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and like-minded aides. Wilkerson said that Cheney must have sincerely believed that Iraq could be a spawning ground for new terror assaults, because ‘otherwise I have to declare him a moron, an idiot or a nefarious bastard.’”
November 30th, 2005 at 4:10 pman oldie but goodie:
http://www.vinland.org/scamp/monkey/pix/saminsuit.jpg
along with:
November 30th, 2005 at 4:10 pmhttp://www.itaffectsyou.org/blog/images/bush-flightsuit.jpg
Comment by Giacomo (aka GeoMetro) — November 30, 2005 @ 3:59 pm
Look do what you need to do to make it easy for you to go to sleep at night. Your rational is like saying that it’s ok to kill people because they don’t know how nice we are and we are only trying to show them how much better our “way of life” is. It’s just such a shame that innocent people get in the way of an AK.
What kind of convoluted rationale is that. Sound more psychotic than rational.
And, it’s hypocritical. We are supposedly fighting? (if you want to call it that) an idealogy and your argument is that our idealogy is better? than theirs?
Who the hell made you the judge? Or the bubbleboy the judge?
Not only are you and the rest of the chimps cheerleaders hypocritical, you are also complicit. Saddam is on trial, know why? He has killed (supposedly) thousands of his own citizens and with what? Biological weapons supplied by the United States that were to be used against Iran.
Go back to school, particularly history class and see if you rationale is still working.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:10 pmThere’s only one answer: Oil.
Comment by Jesus Christ God of WAR
No, there’s not only one answer … there’s tons.
1) A democratic Iraq stabilizes (eventually) the middle eastern region
2) Saddam’s Iraq had the ability to support terror (and did so).
3) Saddam had attempted to assasinate a former US President (and don’t trivialize this, if he went after Clinton, I’d still say it was a big deal)
4) Saddam had invaded surrounding countries before.
… to name a few.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:11 pmGuys, not to be nitpicky, but it’s “ideology”.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:12 pmComment by Jay — November 30, 2005 @ 4:12 pm
Thanks! Thought to Keyboard transition.:)
November 30th, 2005 at 4:16 pm“By the way, I used the intelligent design theory/idea because I knew it was one that most people here would find ridiculous. My point was that there are those who set out to prove something and are able to do so simply becuase they completely negate the possibility that they could be wrong in what they believe. “GeoMetro
To ‘claim’ something and to ‘prove’ something are entirely different. Intelligent design is a series of ‘claims’, but not proofs. Proofs require a hypothesis and the repeatable and measurable facts that prove that theory. For instance the ‘claim’ of weapons of WMDs, or 9/11 ties of Iraq are often bandied about, yet there is NO PROOF of either of these ‘opinions’. Republicans who claim otherwise don’t even know what the word PROOF means.
This is where republican idiots like you always fall down.
“It’s bad science (it’s actually not science at all) and I think it applies here when some support their arguments with websites and “facts†that adhere to the way they think. ”
Actually it isn’t science at all, it’s religion. You really should get a dictionary. As for ‘facts’ that adhere to your thinking, this is not typical of republicans. They consistently misquote, misrepresent and flat out LIE. If you review and research original source material, the republican opinion ALWAYS crumbles.
“It’s very hard to find untarnished ideas nowadays on both sides. ”
That’s because you listen to propaganda sites that spread lies… Stop being so lazy and retarded and go research the SOURCE MATERIAL you idiot.
“It’s harder to find someone who may lean a certain direction (left or right) but doesn’t allow that to taint 100% of what they think (Lieberman comes to mind, and interestingly enough, he was trashed here by people yesterday).”
Lieberman is a zionist rightwing democrat, he and zell miller both belong in the republican party – not the democratic one.
“I happen to be pro-life, against the death penalty (because it would be cognitively dissonant, to use Ryans’ word, to believe otherwise), etc. – I don’t adhere to party lines and I’ve voted for a, gasp, democrat (for governor).”
Well, at least 1% of your brain works, but lets see if we can pop that up to 2%. If you believe this, then some abortions actually will save lives, so you ARE pro death penalty for women who are unfortunate enough to be in that condition. Once again you have a cognitive disconnect. Also, are you against allowing people to pull the plug on their braindead relatives (like tom delay did for his father?), because unless you are, that’s also a cognitive disconnect. What about siamese twins – sometimes they have to separate the two and effectively kill one of them to save the other – this is a ‘moral equivalent’ of abortion – yet reichwingers never seem to have issue with this act, how come? Another cognitive dissonance.
See, you’re not 1/10th as smart as you thought you were…
“Einstein did believe in evolution … he also had a strong belief in God based upon his empirical research … that’s why I referenced him. ”
Actually he said he found it hard to believe that there wasn’t a god because the MATH under the universe was so perfectly tuned. That is an opinion and even stated as personal religious speculation, and he never confused this with science – the same can’t be said for whackos like you that interfere with medical science (eg. abortion) with religious bigotry daily…
November 30th, 2005 at 4:17 pm3) Saddam had attempted to assasinate a former US President (and don’t trivialize this, if he went after Clinton, I’d still say it was a big deal)
Comment by Giacomo
Does anyone remember the “Covert Operation to Kill Saddam”?
November 30th, 2005 at 4:18 pmSo I guess that’s one against you, Giacomo.
….I’ll leave the rest to Ryan, and IraqVet….
Jay
Bush gave a host of reasons to invade … they stupidly focused on the WMDs and it blew up in their faces.
From wikipedia – The PNAC website states the group’s “fundamental propositions”, which are
“American leadership is good both for America and for the world”
“such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle”
“too few political leaders today are making the case for global leadership.”
I tend to agree with that statement … does that mean we should willy nilly invade “sovreign nations” … no.
No one’s answered my question why Afghanistan was OK but Iraq isn’t. They were both sovreign nation’s. Are you arguing that because you disagree with PNAC that then the side benefit of 20 million Iraqis having a fighting chance of freedom is irrelavant?
November 30th, 2005 at 4:18 pm“No, there’s not only one answer … there’s tons.”GeoMetro
“1) A democratic Iraq stabilizes (eventually) the middle eastern region”
Well we already have an Iraq that’s signed a security alliance with Iran, and who’s constitution is basically as much of an islamic fascist regime as Iran is. This theory just got shot to hell, like the rest of the republican failures.
“2) Saddam’s Iraq had the ability to support terror (and did so).”
Really? His biggest ’support’ came when he sent condolensce gifts to palestinian families who had lost loved ones fighting israel. That’s the ‘big supporter’ of terrorism he was responsible for. Considering the united states created, funded and equiped Al Qaeda, this holds no water internationally or intellectually.
“3) Saddam had attempted to assasinate a former US President (and don’t trivialize this, if he went after Clinton, I’d still say it was a big deal)”
And we planned his assassination – what’s your point?
“4) Saddam had invaded surrounding countries before.”
And had been stopped – what’s your point? We invaded Iraq, against UN law (Kofi said so publically), so we are no different than Iraq in this case.
“… to name a few. ”
And these are REALLY lame… You need new material.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:20 pm1) A democratic Iraq stabilizes (eventually) the middle eastern region
Bullshit!! We are gonna turn 5,000 years of Arab/Islam civil war and dissent around in a couple of years? Get a grip.
2) Saddam’s Iraq had the ability to support terror (and did so).
The proof for that must be where the WMD’s are. Find it and produce it.
3) Saddam had attempted to assasinate a former US President (and don’t trivialize this, if he went after Clinton, I’d still say it was a big deal)
Where’d you get that info, talking points or Chalbi?
4) Saddam had invaded surrounding countries before.
By that you must mean Kuwait?? Or is that Kurdistan?
And just what the hell does that have to do with justification of our current invasion and occupation?
… to name a few.
Comment by Giacomo (aka GeoMetro) — November 30, 2005 @ 4:11 pm
November 30th, 2005 at 4:21 pm1) A democratic Iraq stabilizes (eventually) the middle eastern region
WRONG! Iraq was a secular state. Friend of Reagan and Bush the Smarter #41. #41 even passed plans to attack the Kharg Island Oil Terminal to Saddam’s generals, which they successfully executed on.
2) Saddam’s Iraq had the ability to support terror (and did so).
WRONG! The only links to “terrorism” were in the North amougst the Kurds who remain allies of the US. Their “terrorist” trainees included member of al Qida. But Saddam had no influence in this area.
3) Saddam had attempted to assasinate a former US President (and don’t trivialize this, if he went after Clinton, I’d still say it was a big deal)
Likes is a REASON to invade? Give me a freak’n break. You’re so lame!
4) Saddam had invaded surrounding countries before.
Big hairy deal. By the time Bush the Dumber #43 invades, other countries in the region knew he was of little concern. Again, a lame weak excuse unsupported by the rhetoric leading up to the invasion.
Mission NOT Accomplished. Unless it was intended to mislead people so that certain entities could retain control of the second larged oil pot on the planet.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:21 pmIntelligent Design.
This sounds VERY much like Rockefellers FAUX Arc of the Covenant. TO me, looks like and Intelligent Profit Driven Debacle, akin to Crooked Televangelists.
SMACK!!! (on forehead) HEAL!!
gimme 100 bucks (whispers TellyBoob)
SMACK!!(on forehead) HEAL!!
(The duped one Falls Backward)
(Crowd) Ooooh… Aaaahhhhh…
(Fade scene….)
Now wheres dat durn link.
The New American – The New World Religion – September 23, 2002 Steven Rockefeller, a religion professor and scion of the fabulously wealthy banking family that donated the land for the UN headquarters in New York, …
November 30th, 2005 at 4:21 pmhttp://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2002/09-23-2002/vo18no19_religion.htm
Comment by Ryan Neat — November 30, 2005 @ 4:20 pm
Gotta go Ryan…Well done.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:23 pm#132
The soldiers of this war are sick of the rhetoric that is being stated by Bush…
PUNKS like I-WRONG look for ways to justify a situation that is easily stated from the comfort of their homes, and as long as THEY do not have a fear of being called or re-called to service to defend their country, it is easy to call us out!!!
I HONOR your son’s service and can only imagine some of the potential problems that exists upon his return. NO ONE can imagine the horrific dreams and symptoms of paranoia that exists, because of the potential death that existed from an automobile or person in Iraq. Living with that fear can be difficult…
I-WRONG is a PUNK! EVERYONE knows it, and a TRUE hero (like your son and others) must endure the idiots who push them out front while they hide behind the wall of IGNORANCE and COWARDICE!
God Bless…
With Honor and Humility
Shoot, Move, Communicate
November 30th, 2005 at 4:23 pmBack to the topic, Progs: Having Faiz deliver the news is a bit like having a domestic version of Al Jezeera – looks good, lacks substance and loaded with propaganda. From the VERY beginning of the war in Afghanistan (and Iraq) President Bush said it would be a long, arduous fight with ups and downs. Mission Accomplished referred to the end of the tour for the USS Lincoln as well as the removal of your friend and non-threat, Saddam.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:24 pm#138
“1) A democratic Iraq stabilizes (eventually) the middle eastern region”
Got some proof of that. Seems that right now, one of Bush’s biggest critics is Hugo Chavez, a Democratically appointed leader.
“2) Saddam’s Iraq had the ability to support terror (and did so).”
And the Iraqi leaders, all three waring factions, just came out and said that the Insurgents (aka Terrorists) have ever right to attack us.
“3) Saddam had attempted to assasinate a former US President (and don’t trivialize this, if he went after Clinton, I’d still say it was a big deal)”
Pat Robertson said that we should assasinate , above mentioned, Hugo Chavez. Should we bomb the 700 CLub?
“4) Saddam had invaded surrounding countries before.”
Yes, twice. Once was Kuwait. We kick his ass for that. The other was Iran. You remember the war we gave WMDs to fight? You know, the picture of Donald Rumsfeld smiling and shaking hands with Saddam?
Now tell me again why we attacked Iraq?
November 30th, 2005 at 4:24 pmOnce again Giacomo, your answers are flawed.
We didn’t set out to make Iraq democratic, only to remove it’s alleged status as an imminent threat. Iraq, or any nation for that matter, will never be FORCED to adopt someone else’s values at the point of a gun, nor should they. Let alone the fact that the gun is being held by an arrogant bully that tortures and bombs THEIR families and fellow Muslims indiscriminately. Iraq will NEVER, EVER be what we want them to be. Democracy is a ridiculous, illusory goal.
Saddam was the enemy of the Islamic fundamentalists, to argue otherwise is silly. History shows that Saddam was an American creation and WE armed him to fight the radical Shia in Iran back when that famous photo of Rummy and Saddam was taken.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:25 pm#150
“Having Faiz deliver the news is a bit like having a domestic version of Al Jezeera – looks good, lacks substance and loaded with propaganda.”
Oh shit! You better hurry up and close your browser then. Wouldn’t want to get invected with this crap. Hurry, there is still time for you, but sadly, we are lost. Bye
November 30th, 2005 at 4:26 pmRyan
According to you, because I am pro-life and “some abortions actually will save lives, (I am) pro death penalty for women who are unfortunate enough to be in that condition.”
1) Very few are “unfortunate” enough to be pregnant (rape and incest come to mind as examples) and that accounts for how many abortions annually … get real.
2) Abortion has become a convenience for many who were irresponsible with their sexual behaviors
3) So, those that are stupid and get preganant because they are irresponsible … sucks for you. People are stupid and drive drunk … when someone’s hurt because of it, they have to answer for their irresponsibility (despite the fact that they’re lives are now ruined).
4) For those poor unfortunate souls who are victims of a crime, as one who has an adopted child myself (and as one whose sister adopted 2 children) … there are plenty of those of us out there willing to adopt in these situations … I’d gladly adopt again.
I know I may have over simplified the whole abortion debate with my comments, but I have to pick up my dog from the vet. Chiao.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:26 pmToday’s Bush Irony Watch:
- “In Iraq, there will not be a signing ceremony on the deck of a battleship.” President Bush, November 30, 2005.
- “In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.” President Bush, aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:27 pm#154
Alrighty, the abortion talking point again. Let me debunk that for you:
Sorry, you are not supported by the majority on abortion.
CNN
November 28, 2005
Poll: Americans back abortion limits, oppose ban
http://www.cnn.com/ 2005/ US/ 11/ 27/ abortion.poll/ index.html
“Thirty-nine percent of the respondents said that abortion should only be legal in a few circumstances, 26 percent believe it should be legal in all circumstances, and 16 percent favor legal abortion in most circumstances.
Another 16 percent said it should not be legal under any circumstances, the poll showed.â€
For those keeping score at home, that’s:
26% All Legal
16% Most Legal
39% Few Legal
16% None Legal
So, 81% of the country thinks that at the very minimum a few abortions should be legal, 42% believe Most should be legal.
But ONLY 16% of Americans want to Ban abortion.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:29 pm“No one’s answered my question why Afghanistan was OK but Iraq isn’t. They were both sovreign nation’s. Are you arguing that because you disagree with PNAC that then the side benefit of 20 million Iraqis having a fighting chance of freedom is irrelavant?
Comment by Giacomo (aka GeoMetro)”
That’s an easy one you idiot. The UN is the international body that decides whether or not a country is such a bad citizen that it deserves international intervention. Afghanistan qualified for this, Iraq did not at the point it was invaded.
1) Afghanistan was invaded with virtually unanimous internation support, and with a VERY international force.
2) Afghanistan was knowingly and intentionally harboring an international terrorist organization that had just attacked us. They didn’t deny it, but refused to hand over the group.
3) The attack on america was launched from afghanistan, which was a known and admitted fact.
4) Al Qaeda admitted it would continue to attack us, and had shown that it had the capacity to do so.
5) Al Qaeda and the Taliban were so interlinked that in effect it was afghanistan that attacked us on 9/11, thereby warranting the attack.
“The UN Security Council also issued a resolution on September 18, 2001 directed towards the Taliban demanding that they hand over the terrorist Osama bin Laden and close all terrorist training camps immediately and unconditionally. The council also referred to a resolution it adopted in December 2000 demanding that the Taliban turn over bin Laden to the United States or a third country for trial in the deadly bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa in August 1998.”
November 30th, 2005 at 4:30 pmSpudge
Polls depend on the questions asked … if I said “do you support our troops in Iraq” of course you’d say yes (believing I’m polling support for troops). If I said “do you support the US invasion of Iraq” you may be more likely to say no (believing that I was asking if the US policy in Iraq was a good one. In either case, I could lead you toward an outcome (because polls don’t have room for caveats). I’m not sying that’s what happened in your poll, but it could.
Also, I just stated how I see things in the abortion issue, I could be in the minority.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:33 pmInterestingly enough, most people have no trouble with our usurping the tyrants in Afgahnistan … is this because it was relatively easy to do or because there was a clear line from Afghanistan to those who perpetrated 9/11.
Comment by Giacomo (aka GeoMetro) — November 30, 2005 @ 3:59 pm
I saw the attack on Afghanistan as a legitimate exercise of self-defence: Bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attacks, he was in Afghanistan, the Taliban would not extradite him to the US or surrender him to international authorities.
The UN Security Council passed a resolution asking Bin Laden be extradited.
The Taliban regime refused.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:35 pm“1) Very few are “unfortunate†enough to be pregnant (rape and incest come to mind as examples) and that accounts for how many abortions annually … get real.”
And yet it happens, so your anti-abortion stance is in effect a death penalty for these people. A FEW deaths is all the death penalty folks are asking for as well, right?
HYPOCRITE AND FOOL!
“2) Abortion has become a convenience for many who were irresponsible with their sexual behaviors”
Oh please, that’s such a judgemental, retarded and foolish thing to say.
“3) So, those that are stupid and get preganant because they are irresponsible … sucks for you. People are stupid and drive drunk … when someone’s hurt because of it, they have to answer for their irresponsibility (despite the fact that they’re lives are now ruined).”
Really? Where does this fount of ‘facts’ come from that establishes this is the case? Have you heard of condoms that break? Have you heard of teen ignorance because retarded republican prudes not providing sex education? Have you heard of birth control failures despite the parties BEING RESPONSIBLE. To say that accidentally getting pregnant is irresponsible, is like saying getting in an automobile accident is irresponsible. It’s just whacko babble from a retarded fool…
“4) For those poor unfortunate souls who are victims of a crime, as one who has an adopted child myself (and as one whose sister adopted 2 children) … there are plenty of those of us out there willing to adopt in these situations … I’d gladly adopt again.”
Poor child, please don’t raise them with your values, they deserve better! So what you’re saying is that a woman is a forced incubator that MUST FORCIBLY incubate the baby of a rapist. Are you a closet rapist, is that baby you adopted really yours? It would explain such a neandrathal and idiotic answer. Women are NOT property, and to force one to carry a child after forcing one to have sex is not only INSANE it’s EVIL you MORON!
“I know I may have over simplified the whole abortion debate with my comments, but I have to pick up my dog from the vet. Chiao. ”
Oversimplified, misrepresented and generally showed the typical idiocy of republicans. You demostrated the general insanity of your party with standard behavior.
Why don’t you stop by a psychiatrist while you’re out, because you need help!
November 30th, 2005 at 4:36 pmGiacomo, you don’t SEE anything in the abortion issue, that’s the problem. You have ignorant and retarded preconceptions – and that’s it.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:37 pmIn addition to my previous post:
Although now in retrospect, with all the disinformation coming out of the White House, I don’t knoe waht to think anymore and I am beggining to believe all kinds of dumb conspiracy theories: Bin Laden does not actualy exist, AlQaeda is a CIA fabrication and an excuse to invade Afghanistan, Zarkawi is a myth, etc.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:37 pm#150. MA – stop skim reading and go back to #62. reconcile for me the ‘hard road’ with ‘mission accomplished’ as laid out to those soldiers in Qatar?
Seems to the ‘hard road’ refers to the ‘war on terr’ or whatever and the ‘mission accomplished’ to Iraq. Now is Iraq and the ‘WOT’ different, the same, or what? If one is accomplished then surely what about the other one? Rewriting history is like lying to your kids you know.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:38 pm#143
“No one’s answered my question why Afghanistan was OK but Iraq isn’t.”
One reason:
Osama bin Laden was in Afganastan. You remeber that guy that had his people flown into the WTC buildings? The American people signed up to go to any length to get Osama bin Laden.
Instead, Bush start an unwinnable war on Terror. This War on Terror will go on forever, much like the war on drugs and the war on poverty, the war on obesity, the war on keep retarded republicans from posting on liberal sites.
You know those wars we keep having that don’t go anywhere, they are just a way to funnel the American taxpayers money out of their pockets.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:38 pm#150
The “mission accomplished” schtick was unwarranted. Looking back it ranks up there with “bring it on”. What a ridiculous statement by the both of you.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:40 pmGot news for ya, also: Americans don’t like muslims and they don’t like zionists and they sure as hell don’t like Saddam. The revenge train stopped at feel-good station and the super majority have done got off-
#158
“I’m not sying that’s what happened in your poll, but it could.”
It is not my poll, it is CNN’s.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:40 pmJust sing em their ‘Nationale’ tune Ryan
Hinduism?
O’ ye Foolish ones, One does not study just One Subject or Religion. One studies all Subjects.
Perhaps you would like me to place the Bible, and the Sanskrit/Sumerian Egyptians in the Alps?
IE;
From JOHN 1;1 Last Word -AETZI
In ALPS in ICE, Frozen Egytpian found, -OETZI
OLD Greek -AETAI the Moving Air.. or Pushing aei pei forever.
ZEUS= Zena Dia
AETZI= Zena DIA forever, (Forever Lord)
10 th planet found named Xena, Her Moon Gabriel.
dharma
Brahman
Which Version is Correct? If GOD is omnipotent Would HE not be ALL of the GOD HEADS? Jesus, Buddha, Krshna, Mohammad, If you Pray he comes, In many Disguises, for he is a Jolly Old Soul, THAT Santa (Sanskrit=Neutral) St Nick.
Many words, lost meanings, many are the Same.
More Examples if you Wish, but you only need ask your GOD, or your CREATOR, for assistance, and of course Self-Educate.
Now ALL of you HAVE a VERY MERRY Season of Festivities, as YOU all are Brothers and Sisters!
November 30th, 2005 at 4:42 pm““4) For those poor unfortunate souls who are victims of a crime, as one who has an adopted child myself (and as one whose sister adopted 2 children) … there are plenty of those of us out there willing to adopt in these situations … I’d gladly adopt again.—
There are too many kids too be adopted right now, no matter how many people want to adopt. The other half of the problem is that the states want to keep the kids in the foster care system, because they want to make the money. Each kid in the system is that more money for them.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:44 pmWe tend to be uneasy with the US “enforcing†it’s way of life on others, but have no problem with those same countries despots “enforcing†a way of life on their onw people. If you kill your own people, you can get away with it … if you invade someone else, we “can’t let that stand†(with apologies to Eddy Izzard for those that know him well).
Comment by Giacomo (aka GeoMetro) — November 30, 2005 @ 3:59 pm
If this is your line of reasoning, what you are saying in essence is that you are at the same level as those despots: You feel entitled to “enforce” your way of like because they enforce theirs.
Your actions should stand on their own, and be right on their own merit -not as measured against the bottom of the barrel.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:50 pmI dont have any Wisdom Gregor Samson or Giacomo,
Reasoning without Bias
Bias keeps you from seeing Clearly
and coming to rational conclusion
First we need to Alter logic a Bit.
What Came First the Chicken or the Egg?
November 30th, 2005 at 4:51 pm# 84
Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack, fact.
Bush has lied to the American People many many times
(that anyone involved in outing a cia agent would be fired is just one, later changed to anyone charged, then to anyone convicted )
Bush is a flipflopper ( see above for 1 example )
Bush stated he would bring honesty and integrity to the office of president. Biggest lie he ever made.
Why dont you explain the flipflops, the out and out lies, since you are defending Shrub
November 30th, 2005 at 4:57 pm#164
November 30th, 2005 at 4:58 pmIraq is NOT part of the “War on Terror”, or Global Struggle against Terrorism, or whatever. It’s a DIVERSION from it. Afghanistan was front and center, straight out “there’s the bad guys” go get em. Iraq was a preconceived BS ploy to fulfill the PNAC agenda. The two should not be confused. It’s part of Rovian Propaganda to equate Iraq with the WoT.
What Came First the Chicken or the Egg?
Comment by Acksyn_JAcksyn — November 30, 2005 @ 4:51 pm
I like omelette in the morning and fried chicken for dinner ;-)
November 30th, 2005 at 4:59 pm“Iraqis want us there to do the fighting for them”
“The Iraq insurgency is not terrorism”
-Murtha
November 30th, 2005 at 5:01 pm#163 – Dear Turdle – My apologies – it has been a skim reading day!! The war in Afghanistan started many years before the WTC catastrophes. bin Laden declared war – and stupidly, we were expecting a formal declaration. The war in Iraq has been going on since the first Gulf War – Saddam’s refusal to abide by the terms of the cease fire brought about a resumption of hostilities. But no doubt – they are both hard roads – but like most optimists, we celebrate small and large victories. The soldiers you’re referring to in Quatar were thanked for helping clear out an evil dictator. Now I know that bothered alot of blue bloods – oh well! But you’re mixing with the oft repeated message from the carrier off the coast of San Diego.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:06 pmLOL.
Sooooo,
DID you eat the SHELL?
The Hen Needed the Shell to Continue Life, yes?
She then discards it.
The Chick also needs the Shell? yet it also Discards it.
The Third answer. Natural Logic.
The SHELL had to come first, Perhaps our Atmosphere, and Earth or Gaia,Or Universe is Our Shell?
Could we exist without it?
Yet we take it for Granted.
1+1=3 -AJ
November 30th, 2005 at 5:06 pmSo why did REAGAN call TIM OSMAN err OSAMA the “Freedom Fighters” Aphrodite?
I Am confused, Please Help Me unnerstan’
November 30th, 2005 at 5:08 pm“The war in Afghanistan started many years before the WTC catastrophes.”
WTF?
Did your mom make you drink Palmolive also. You are fvcking nuts.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:09 pm#175 so the WOT and the Iraq War are not the same? Wow, I must have been drinking the kool aid. “President Bush has frequently described the Iraq war as an integral part of U.S. efforts to combat terrorism.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7460-2005Jan13.html
“Iraq is the latest battlefield in this war” http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050628-7.html So I take your comment to mean Iraq really isn’t part of the war on terror or it wasn’t before? And since you are ‘lockstep’ with the Chimp on Iraq, I’m guessing then you mean that the Iraq war really wasn’t anything to do with the war on terror until the US invaded. OK, so why are you people there again? Help me drink the kool-aid – I want to believe.
And finally, who was fighting whom in the “war in Afghanistan started many years before the WTC catastrophes”? I must have missed that: it was drug lords versus turban-headed Islamic extremists was my take on that squabble. Looks like the drug lords have won after Uncle Sam put his finger on the scales.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:22 pmAll of you can eat me. If “shrub” followed the democrats’ plan to a T, you would all still be pissed off. Oh, wait a second, I guess that isn’t possible since all democrats do is point fingers and bitch instead of coming up with a better plan.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:36 pmOldGuard,
We’ll never know, republicans are so inept they can never follow any plan to a tee – as katrina showed…
November 30th, 2005 at 5:40 pmIf I don’t miss my guess the alternative plan was to wait for the UN inspections to complete…. and prove that there were no WMD there? That seemed like a good plan to me.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:55 pmWow, looks like I missed an action-packed day here on TP!
I have even heard what Bush said today but I bet it included the word “stragedy”
November 30th, 2005 at 5:57 pm…”haven’t even heard”…
November 30th, 2005 at 5:59 pmActually the word bush used was ’stratergize’, and that’s what he eventually plans to do… And eventually meaning once the problem has gone away and he can claim that he made it happen somehow…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:03 pm#183…yep, you missed it…
It was the Harry Potter…Strategy of Victory dialogue with all of the characters…The word was just as ficticious as Hogwarts and the wizards realm that they can see and we cannot!
I cannot wait for PART II to tell us how the Iraqi people love us and embrace Democracy and will pay us back the $200 billion we have invested and the most suspensful part…How we caught Bin Laden!
Get out your popcorn, because fantasy movies usually do well…
I give is TWO THUMBS DOWN…Bad Director and Poor Storyline…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:09 pmI’ve got a crush on Hermione…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:17 pmAnd finally: “Is that Henry Winkler over there? Heyyyy!”
November 30th, 2005 at 6:21 pmScottie and Hermione?
So I guess you’re Bi- , JoJ?!!?
Just kidding………..
My daughter has a thing for Ron….
Me, Voldemort w/o the make-up. (Ralph Finnes. woo-Hoo!)
November 30th, 2005 at 6:22 pmHermione? Aint she ’bout 14?
November 30th, 2005 at 6:28 pm#190 – I can wait
November 30th, 2005 at 6:31 pmSounds like love!
November 30th, 2005 at 6:36 pmI could cross over for her – all that intelligence and that accent….
November 30th, 2005 at 6:38 pm#All of you can eat me. If “shrub†followed the democrats’ plan to a T, you would all still be pissed off. Oh, wait a second, I guess that isn’t possible since all democrats do is point fingers and bitch instead of coming up with a better plan.
Comment by Old Guard — November 30, 2005 @ 5:36 pm
How would you KNOW what Shrubs plan is?
He says its always en la mesa, but it never is.
you are pointing fingers sir.
If anyone KNEW Bush’s Plan Maybe that Question could be answered. From WHAT has been GLEANED by his actions and the Latest round of Dubious Deeds by Senators, it Doesnt look Good. Not to Mention the Continuual Flip Flops.
I think you are NOT a neo-con, but you havent yet seen that the two, conservative and Neo-Con, are actually VERY Different Ideologies.
Sorry I have to Work and Cant cover every Page on this Board,Others Here Know what Im talking about. They Will Share their Information.
November 30th, 2005 at 7:08 pmChill OUT Dude, Damn.
Its Not like ME or YOU are working in the White House And wiggle our Noses, rub a lantern, and POOF, ex facto change-O!
“Mission Accomplished” Why are we still in Iraq?
November 30th, 2005 at 7:47 pmHmmm…Better Plan…(See Murtha)
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr051117iraq.html
Point Fingers and Bitch…(See Below)
The president’s spokesman Scott McClellan likened Rep. Murtha to “Fahrenheit 9/11″ filmmaker and ultraliberal Michael Moore.
Senators and others who accuse President George W. Bush of misleading Americans into war were guilty of “revisionism of the most corrupt and shameless variety”, Cheney declared.
Schmidt was booed off the floor of the U.S. House on Friday after she criticized Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., saying that “cowards cut and run, Marines never do.”
Running away from their own words:
In an NBC “Today” interview on Friday, White House communications director Nicolle Wallace said that while the White House has nothing but respect for the military service of Murtha and his record of standing strong for the U.S. military…
“He’s a good man, a Marine, a patriot — and he’s taking a clear stand in an entirely legitimate discussion,” Cheney told the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank.
“I did not know he was a Marine or I would not have said it,’’ the newly elected Republican congresswoman (Schmidt) told The Enquirer this afternoon in an interview at her Kenwood district office.
Get the point?
November 30th, 2005 at 8:10 pmThe most ironic news of the day. Iraqi citizens have asked Saddam to be allowed to run for president!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.asp?page=2005\121\story_1-12-2005_pg4_14
Good job republicans, you’ve so screwed up the occupation that the iraqis prefer a dictator over american troops! That kind of ineptitude is clearly a NeoCon republican specific trait! It’s the same sort of checked out, irresponsible and inept attitude that’s rampant with the retardatrolls on this site!
November 30th, 2005 at 8:35 pmHe didn’t:
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2005/1529
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/30/diebold_hides_source
November 30th, 2005 at 8:39 pm
The commander who screamed victory.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:53 pmMy bad. It should read, “The commander who YELLED victory”. It has been a while since I have read childrens books.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:54 pmYEAH BABY!!!
HEY BATS…HEAR THE PREZ’S SPEECH TODAY?
BUSH KICKED ASS AND THE CROWD WENT WILD WITH MUCH CHEERING AND STANDING OVATIONS YOO HOO!!!
BWWWAHAHAHHAHAHA BEWARE MY LI’L MOONBATS YOUR TREASONOUS LIBERAL POLITICS CAN’T SAVE YOU NOW OR IN 2006/2008!!!
November 30th, 2005 at 11:26 pmYeah, you kind of left out the rest of the 2003 radio broadcast phrases such as:
“Our coalition still has much work to do in Iraq.”
“The transition from dictatorship to democracy is hard, and will take time — but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done, then we will leave — and we will leave behind a free Iraq.”
Darn. There I go deconstructing the nonexistent issues that Think Progress keeps posting.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:35 pmIt’s nice to see that the “duimbing down” of America started with the President – he never misses a chance at missing a chance to screw it up
November 30th, 2005 at 11:51 pmSeixon, if you were 1/4 as smart as you THINK you are, you might actually contribute something useful to society. But even if you were 100 times as smart as I know you are, that still wouldn’t happen.
In a February 7, 2003, appearance at Aviano Air Base in Italy, Rumsfeld projected that the Iraq war “could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”
On April 23, 2003, Andrew S. Natsios, head of the U.S. Agency for International Development, laid out in a televised interview the costs to U.S. taxpayers of rebuilding Iraq. “The American part of this will be $1.7 billion,” he said. “We have no plans for any further-on funding for this…”
There’s more, but what again were you doing? Oh yeah, pretending to ‘deconstruct’, when in reality you don’t know what the fvck you’re talking about as usual…
November 30th, 2005 at 11:51 pmI’ll say “Mission Accomplished” when Bushie and Cheney are run out of town.
We’ve gottem by the balls, now lets put on the squeeze.
Squeeze hard, Impeach Bushie and Cheney.
December 1st, 2005 at 12:53 amCaption Contest continuance….
“Mr Busch is that the Thumb you used?”
“Look, Smirk, Thats why Im holding it Way Out Here See, smirk, en la mesa”
December 1st, 2005 at 2:23 am“Our coalition still has much work to do in Iraq.â€
“The transition from dictatorship to democracy is hard, and will take time — but it is worth every effort. Our coalition will stay until our work is done, then we will leave — and we will leave behind a free Iraq.â€
Darn. There I go deconstructing the nonexistent issues that Think Progress keeps posting.
Comment by Seixon — November 30, 2005 @ 11:35 pm
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LOL, I guess By ‘Coalition’ you Mean those People that got the 194 Billion in Iraqi Money?
http://www.periodico26.cu/english/news_world/iraq112805.htm
I do Say, wasnt that Wackenhut Private army or was it blackwater that got the Contracts, and WAIT looky here, more CRONYISM, imagine my surprise, Bush Rangers! (google that one BR)
Almost forgot; Blackwater USA is looking for P-2 fodder, its never too late to Apply -Aj
December 1st, 2005 at 2:32 amhttp://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html
Interesting pictures, Nice Lines connected to Points. -Aj
December 1st, 2005 at 2:51 amWow…I remember that speech on the carrier deck very well.
December 1st, 2005 at 6:41 amWhat those of you with selective memories seem to forget is his statement that “Now the hard work begins”. Imagine that: liberals with selective memories.
I also recall that “Mission Accomplished” was a banner erected by the sailors of that ship, as a reminder that THEIR mission, and the mission of the initial forces in Iraq was accomplished: that of toppling the regime and defeating the Iraqi army. The follow-on forces were tasked with counter-insurgency and reconstruction. Those sailors’ mission WAS accomplished. Yet more spin by the liberal left.
“End of combat”, Mike.
December 1st, 2005 at 7:50 amIt was an ill-timed speech/insult. A super majority of Americans know that. Are you not American, Mike? You a traitor?
BS, the WH finally admitted that THEY were the ones who hung the sign. Rove even admitted it was one of his dumber moves. Get your facts straight, and get a clue. I hear WalMart will sell you one cheap.
December 1st, 2005 at 9:26 am#202 – Seixon- Please don’t confuse progs – their minds are not flexible enough to adjust to the facts!!
December 2nd, 2005 at 8:32 pmYa! Bush was claiming that it was all wine and roses after invading Iraq….and then the mother ship will come and rescue lefties from the world of angry terrorists….I remember now…..
December 4th, 2005 at 11:09 pmHoorah, someone who recognizes that things don’t always come out as planned.
I love stirring up all these bleeding heart liberals. It’s so easy. I’ve been reading some of these posts and I think it is hilarious how people constantly attack other people’s intelligence…for example…”You aren’t 1/10 as smart as you think you are.” That seems to be a recurring trend. I don’t recall seeing anyone one here starting their posts with “I’m a member of MENSA and have an IQ of 145. Because I’m so smart, I’ll give you a little insight on the topic.” Give me a break. Unfortunately, I’ve got a feeling that a Democrat will be in office after Bush because of all of the whiney Ultra-Liberal Democrats out there. Is it just me, or do Liberals as a whole just seem to whine louder and make larger spectacles of themselves than the general public? I digress….What makes it worse is that it may be another…gasp…Clinton in the White House…that is if they can change the Constitution and all. Maybe in 10 or 20 years, people will be afraid to say things like “Christmas” in public for fear of infinging on someone else’s precious right to repress the rest of the world so that they won’t be offended by someone else expressing their beliefs. Think of a world where marriages between two men or two women just becomes a normal everyday thing. Just see if you really want everything that you’re gonna get.
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