On Today Show, O’Reilly Compares Murtha With Hitler Sympathizers
By on Nov 30th, 2005 at 10:14 am
On Today Show, O’Reilly Compares Murtha With Hitler Sympathizers
Bill O’Reilly on the Today Show this morning:
These pin-heads running around going, “Get out of Iraq now” don’t know what they are talking about. These are the same people before Hitler invaded in WWII that were saying, “He’s not such a bad guy.” They don’t get it.
Watch it:
Of course, the most prominent person calling for withdrawing from Iraq now is decorated Vietnam veteran Rep. Jack Murtha.
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he’s got his own damn show – don’t invite him onto yours, Katie! ps: I’d be careful – he may be trying to look up your skirt… he may pull the old “dropped my pen” routine….
November 30th, 2005 at 10:16 amI’m sure that Bill is drawing upon his decades of direct military experience.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:17 amSieg Heil!!! (sp?)
November 30th, 2005 at 10:18 amDamn, is there no other “evil” we can compare to? Like Barney? Or Am-Way?
November 30th, 2005 at 10:21 am*Doing the math*
Hmmmm it just doesn’t add up. I’m 32 Bill. I wasn’t around to make any comments about Hitler. Neither were a big percentage of folks that support troop redeployment.
Is anyone else weirded out by his constant Hitler references? Does he have a Nazi fetish or what? Creepy.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:24 amQuisp-
I echo your sentiments. This has to be the height of hypocrisy for someone like O’Reilly to question the patriotism of those who question the policies of the government while O’Reilly mysteriously managed to avoid putting on a military uniform and ending up on the front lines in Vietnam. He is doing the same thing he did after the U.S. invaded Iraq, saying that he would “spotlight” anyone, like Barbra Streisand, who would have the temerity to question the wisdom of the government taking this country to war. Of course, Couric allows him to say these things without challenging the veracity of O’Reilly’s statements.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:27 amSeems like every day O’Doofus comes up with another moronic statement for his enemies on the left to crucify (he’d like that word) him with, he doesn’t know when to shut his fascist mouth.
A wise person once told me that “empty vessels make the most noise.” How true.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:29 amStop posting BOR crap, he is not worth the attention he craves!
November 30th, 2005 at 10:30 amI’m with Chris. Tell Bill O’Reilly to take a number!
November 30th, 2005 at 10:35 am[...] Watch more Video [...]
November 30th, 2005 at 10:37 amGee, weren’t some of the more notable Nazi sympathizers prior to the US involvement in WWII, members of the Bush, Mellon, and Scaife families, to name a few? Families/people that today write a lot of blank checks to support right wing/fundamentalist think tanks, which also create and furnish a lot of information and opinion to O’Reilly and the Bush White House?
If I wanted to listen to a turd speak, I would install a telephone in my toilet. I’m all for the 1st Amendment, but if ever there was an argument FOR abortion…it’s Bill O’Reilly and his ilk.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:38 amThe “Neville Chamberlain/Joseph P. Kennedy” mentality is reproduced every generation. Mercifully, not many are afflicted with this lethal disease. I have been wondering since last night if the poor, kidnapped Christian “peace workers” have been able to negotiate with their captors?? (Hopefully, they fell into the hands of ransom seekers and not radical Islamofascists.) The lesson here? Maybe it’s best to leave dealing with kidnappers and killers to the professionals.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:39 amHere, let me straighten that out for you Bill.
The people who think that the illegal pre-emptive strike on Iraq are the same type of people who thought an illegal pre-emptive strike on Poland was bad.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:39 amGosh;could we please just not give this nut job anymore publicity.I now know why I never watch the today show………..god Katie; get a real job will you?
November 30th, 2005 at 10:40 amhey, he DID say one thing that, i think, we all can agree with: he wonders why it’s taking 2 years to get the iraq army trained, why aren’t they ALREADY trained?!? he was very agitated…
then he went and spouted off with this “pin-head” remark…
and no mention of “the list” that msnbc is on…
November 30th, 2005 at 10:40 amI lived thru the same era that O’Silly’s talking about /
November 30th, 2005 at 10:42 amHe sounds more and more like Geobels , Hitler’s propaganda minister . May be his ambition to replace that position at the WH . He should be careful , he may end up as a war criminal and suffer the same fate .
Sponge – Your Poland comparison (clever reichwing stuff, but ignorant) is like comparing bagels and borscht.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:44 amThis Hitler slur is even worse than “Bill O’Reilly’s VideoGate.”
November 30th, 2005 at 10:44 amWho books guests on “Today”? Bill O’Reilly as a military expert? The only weapon he’s ever wielded is a falafel. Why not get an actual military expert like, oh, I don’t know, a colonel with 27 years in the Marines? Or how about Brent Scowcroft, or Gen. Shineski, or Larry Wilkerson or somebody who actually has a freakin’ clue. I know, how about Al Franken, he’s actually been to Iraq a number of times?
November 30th, 2005 at 10:45 amYou know, I am beginning to Like Communists as long as it pisses people like BOR Off!
November 30th, 2005 at 10:47 amBesides, Chinese have a Cute innocent look on thier faces. they are sorta charming
These are the same people before Hitler invaded in WWII that were saying, “He’s not such a bad guy.â€
Like Prescott Bush, you mean?
November 30th, 2005 at 10:48 amNow let us be honest. Mighty pain in the aphrodite – what, you don’t like the naming of prominent republican Oligarch clans (Bush, Scaife, Mellon) who went out of their way to try to continue to reap profits off of nazi germany so you throw in a Kennedy. Well, Kennedy might not have been a vigilent anti nazi but it’s my understanding that his clan made their money cleanly – by importing booze from Canada during the prohibition. Are you equating that with business with nazi’s by giving them the means to wreck havoc on the rest of Europe/Russia with oil? A curious point to be claiming some tangible superiority, isn’t it?
O’Liely should be examined thoroughly when he says nutjob things like this. And he should be inextricably linked to the right wing nuts that currently run the Republican party.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:49 amAfter putting MSNBC on his enemies list why is NBC giving this f*** any airtime?
November 30th, 2005 at 10:53 am“They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit, and the poison of asps is under their lips.Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness
Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Destruction and misery are in their ways:
And the way of peace have they not known….â€
Romans 3:12
November 30th, 2005 at 10:54 amIs “Pinhead” a professional term?
November 30th, 2005 at 10:55 amYes, well O’Reilly is today’s version of Joseph Goebbels.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:56 amYou know, I am beginning to Like Communists as long as it pisses people like BOR Off!
November 30th, 2005 at 10:56 amBesides, Chinese have a Cute innocent look on thier faces. they are sorta charming !
“These pin-heads running around going, “Stay in Iraq forever†don’t know what they are talking about. These are the same people before Bush invaded Iraq that were saying, “He’s not such a bad guy.†They don’t get it.”
November 30th, 2005 at 10:56 amI’m thinking BO should get lots and lots
November 30th, 2005 at 10:57 amof publicity in all the MSM. He makes the
Right look so whack-job it can only help
wake people up.
Still, TP could ignore him as a complete
nutball.
Speaking of Falafel Bill’s enemies list, he has The NY Daily News on it-which regularly runs his syndicated column!
November 30th, 2005 at 10:58 amMA,
If I’ve noticed anything about you it is that you are just cryptic enough that you absolve yourself of real debate. You think it’s intellectualism. It showcases itself as hyped opinion. Either crap or get off the pot already.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:58 amWhat Hitler invasion is he talking about? Cechoslovakia? Poland? France? Russia? The U.S. did nothing asbout these invasions thanks to peoble like Henry Ford, Joseph Kennedy and oh yea Prescott Bush. The only people caling for a war against Fasism befor an invasion were the Reds, that went to Spain to fight agains Franco, Hitler and Mussolini. They were then not allowed to fight in WWII because they were prematurly anti-fascist.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:00 amAverage TV Viewer,
Yeah, that has become a pretty steady
November 30th, 2005 at 11:01 ampattern with MA. Ryan can get he/she (?, really – I don’t know)
quite riled up at times.
[...] Coward?!! Try Nazi sympathizer. [...]
November 30th, 2005 at 11:01 amO’Reilly has no true conviction because he’s paid huge amounts of money and whatever else to reflect the sentiments of the neocons. What is more disturbing is that his opinions are given credence by The Today Show. He will continue his mercenary thing as long as he is provided an audience. Let’s just say “NO” to anyone that airs this ridiculous person.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:02 am# 3
November 30th, 2005 at 11:03 amspelling correct. *g*
I had submitted my name to be included on Bill’s Enemies List, and alas it’s only corporate entities as of now. I feel hurt and ignored. I’m going to go eat some Nazi chocolate, that will cheer me up.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:03 amMA’s schtick seems most of the time to be deliberate setups by progressives. Softballs. I don’t get it.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:04 am“You know, I am beginning to Like Communists as long as it pisses people like BOR Off!”
That’s exactly how Communism spread in Central America. The government strongmen were denouncing all their enemies (i.e. anyone who criticized them) as communiststs. After a while, people started thinking, “If these jerks don’t like communists, then I’ll be a communist too!” They didn’t necessarily believe in communism, they just saw that teachers, scientists, clergy, and other pillars of society were being labeled, and wanted to share that label.
In what must be bitter irony for Reagan fans, communism began its decline only after Congress cut off military aid to the anti-communist dictators.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:06 amA- Hitler declaired war on us, we didnt declair war on Germany. BOR needs to hit some history books
November 30th, 2005 at 11:07 amB – Most of the people against the war were not around in 1936. So how can this be the “same people”?
#17
“Sponge – Your Poland comparison (clever reichwing stuff, but ignorant) is like comparing bagels and borscht.”
Actually, it is right on the money, but you are a retarded asswipe that doesn’t know you head from you asshole. Fvck you bitch.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:08 amI’m just thrilled that O’Liely actually used my S/N on national TV!! I guess that means I’m on his Enemies List — happy happy, joy joy!
I guess it wasn’t bad enough that the Today show has been channelling the repugs over the last several months more and more; now they invite this bugger on… More reason to switch to ESPN’s Cold Pizza for the morning “newsertainment”, I guess…
November 30th, 2005 at 11:09 amMy computer won’t play the video, stupid thing.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:09 amWhat was cute little Katie’s response to BO’s pearl of wisdom? A giggle, right?
What do you expect from a retard? You get what you get with O’Reilly. That’s his shtick. That’s what the knuckle-dragging morons who make up his audience want to see. Its theater for the brain-dead.
Inviting O’Reilly onto a show and expecting him not to make some outrageous ignorant comment is like inviting a dog into your home and expecting him not to shed.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:10 amI must have missed the Today show starring the rightwing hero and former-draftdodger, Bill O’Reilly. I must have been pissing beer and watching “Crank Yankers” or something.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Bill has not been to Iraq since Bush sent the troops there to spread “freedom”
November 30th, 2005 at 11:12 amso he must be basing his conclusions on the Faux News Talking Points he and Hannity both get daily.
When will somebody respond – on the air – to this cretin with a ‘You really are a vile piece of s**t, aren’t you?…Why don’t you just leave? We’ll get along without you quite well, thank you.’
C’mon, will someone please put this guy in his place and keep him there.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:13 amIn response to comment #12
November 30th, 2005 at 11:15 amIf Pat Robertson and such were not sending terrorists into foreign contries under the disguise of “Christian” peace keapers, the real honest good hearted people would not be kidnapped by desperate people trying to keap the gready golobalists from destroying their counties and enslaving the population so fat heads like you can get cheap mechandise at Wal-Mart etc.
There was a wonderful This Modern World comic in today’s paper. Two people in a car. Passenger repeatedly warning of danger ahead. Driver saying he had a map and knew where he was going. Of course they drive off the end of the cliff.
Punch line: The driver faults the passenger for wanting him to fail.
Sound familiar?
Bottom Line: Bush Apologists == Retards
November 30th, 2005 at 11:18 amah..and here’s Joe Liebermann…former Democrat, on MSNBC with Don Imus, spouting his strangely REPUKE doctrine, as set forth in the WSJ Yesterday…what is going on? Do the Repubs want to really repudiate Murtha, their hangdog military wannabe? But do it with Joey ? IS that even logical?
November 30th, 2005 at 11:19 amHe is the Jack of Hearts!
http://www.chickenhawkcards.com/
November 30th, 2005 at 11:19 amHe’s on the TODAY SHOW because , like Coulter and Hannity, he’ll draw certain kinds of listeners who are easily seduced by the commercials. It has nothing to do with anything he says. It’s the commercials that air between his remarks that are important to NBC. It’s not amazing to me anymore what the media will do for money money money money money! Look at Woodward et al.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:21 amWhy must people always have to put someome down in order to make themselves look bigger, leave Hitler alone already!
November 30th, 2005 at 11:22 amSome of you liberals would ask, “What credibility does this pervert have regarding Iraq.” Yes, as a rightwing liberal I’ll be one of the first to admit that he is a “pinhead” draftdodger turned armchair warrior and lowdown womanizing sexual deviant. That said, I’ll leave it to aphrodite to defend him.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but he is one of the original defenders for Bush’s military action against Iraq, who said continously, “If we don’t find weapons of mass destruction, I’ll be one of the first to apologize.”
On a serious note: what’s with that great big turkey neck hanging down under Bill’s chin? Has he got gout or something?
November 30th, 2005 at 11:29 amHey Dildo O’Rielly,
Do you think Hitler ever sexually harassed Eva Braun over the telephone? Also, do you think Hitler ever used a vibrator on his own ass?
-GSD
November 30th, 2005 at 11:29 amthe real honest good hearted people would not be kidnapped by desperate people trying to keap the gready golobalists from destroying their counties and enslaving the population so fat heads like you can get cheap mechandise at Wal-Mart etc.
Comment by Brian — November 30, 2005 @ 11:15 am
“We don’t need no edyu-caytion…we don’t need no thowt control”, right, Brian?
November 30th, 2005 at 11:35 am#22 – No, Blindness, I “didn’t throw in a Kennedy” – but he was such a clumsy target (along with Charles Lindberg). The patriarch of the Kennedys not only profitted from his company’s boot legging but also shady stock dealings. THAT should strike terror in the hearts of anti-capitalists EVERYWHERE!!
Regarding Prescott Bush – I have found prog ideologues rarely influenced by the facts. So for the few curious liberal minds out there, visit http://www.em.wikipedia.org/Prescott_Bush#Nazi.ties. (Oh well, whether you are a Kennedy, a Bush, a Rockefeller, etc. there is usually a “pirate” in every corporate closet.) There are a host of prominent people and corporations (www.karenlyster.com/hitler) who went out of their way to keep America on the isolationist track promised repeatedly by FDR – or to profit from business ties with Nazi Germany. I simply added more to your point.
Quick “q” – Since most cars and industry currently run on petroleum would you:
November 30th, 2005 at 11:36 ama.) Try to use Mazola in your Prius – and carry a longer cord.
b.) Let industry grind to a halt – Americans are too fat anyway!
c.) NEVER open any new oil fields in the US – between Mazola and the thinning of America we CAN maintain a pristine ….(fill in the blank).
On a vaguely related note, has anyone here read “The Plot Against America” by Philip Roth? It’s an extremely thought-provoking book and really discusses the connotations on both sides.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:36 amWhat the hell is O’Reilly doing on the Today show? It is unthinkable that NBC would give him the credibility. I went along with him appearing on The Daily Show, as Jon Stewart pretty much made a fool of him:
Stewart: One question, Why so angry?
O’Reilly: There are a lot of bad people out there doing a lot of bad things. We’ve got to stop them.
Stewart: So, when are you going to start on that?
I don’t watch “Today”, but I am about ready to boycott NBC.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:38 amHeh, let Bill the Terrorist Sympathizer say whatever he feels like slapping his gums about. The hole he’s digging for himself is almost deep enough for us to bury him.
Keep digging, Bill!
–mf
November 30th, 2005 at 11:40 amMad Murtha is a two-bit hit man for the left. He knows the media will follow anyone who has something negative to say about the war. (especially a Democrat war vet)
But as people are seeing today with the health of the economy no longer in question by sane individuals, the liberal media has a tendancy to exaggerate negative events such as Katrina and of course, the war.
America is a tough country and it’s a shame people like Murtha will so easily bet against it. Shame on Think Progress for cheering defeat.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:41 amJust put down the Twinkies Mighty Aphrodite and tell us about progress being made in Iraq.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:42 amWhat do you get when you place Katie Couric and Billo on the same stage?
Two morons trying to prove who’s the smartest kid in a two-student special ed class.
Hint to Katie and The Loofah King: No one cares.
What will be your reaction if the rumors are true and Couric is the next CBS Evening News anchor, occupying the same chair Waler Cronkite sat in? Laughter? Revulsion? Cynical detachment?
As one of my colleagues said, “You can always trust someone after you’ve seen the inside of her ass.”
November 30th, 2005 at 11:42 amSame to you, danny. Describe the feel good stories coming out of free Iraq-and don’t say satellite dishes.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:43 amFor those of you who have seen “Good Night and Good Luck”, don’t O’Reilly and Joe McCarthy have similar physical characteristics and similar verbal styles?
November 30th, 2005 at 11:43 am#63 – the liberation of millions of people is a start. Free democratic elections and HOPE that we can bring democracy to the middle east. The same democracy that gives you the right to lie about the President.
#63 – what do you have against promoting democracy?
November 30th, 2005 at 11:46 amDanny, wrong thread dude, your irrelevance is embarrasing for you. Why don’t you read the stuff about Bill and Katie and think of something to say. Go on, you can do it…
November 30th, 2005 at 11:46 am“That’s exactly how Communism spread in Central America. The government strongmen were denouncing all their enemies (i.e. anyone who criticized them) as communiststs. After a while, people started thinking, “If these jerks don’t like communists, then I’ll be a communist too!†They didn’t necessarily believe in communism, they just saw that teachers, scientists, clergy, and other pillars of society were being labeled, and wanted to share that label.”-
Cynical Hippie
Is this an eye-witness account, weak supposition, or interview info from Daniel Ortega? If Communism, ala Sandanista, was so appealing in Nicaragua, please tell me how Repubs “stole the election” for Violetta
November 30th, 2005 at 11:47 amChiammoro?
Taking my own advice: I don’t agree that Bill has the same kind of talent of Goebbels – he’s not that clever.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:48 am#56, as you know Kennedy was put in charge of building what is now the SEC. Clearly someone thought he knew what he was doing. And nobody today is so puritan as to consider bootleggers on par with Nazis.
I can’t answer your multiple choice, but I can offer my own:
a) Recognize that the oil will run out, regardless of what we do. Also, act like it.
b) Conserve fuel today. The less we burn today, the more time we have to develop a viable alternative to petroleum.
c) Put federal money into developing an alternative. The last major energy source developed was nuclear. That was from a massive government program. As it should be. You wouldn’t want a thousand private nuclear programs competing for profit would you? The next major new energy source will need to be at least as powerful.
Finally, if you think liberals are anti-capitalists, I invite you to do business here. We can always use a new sucker. I love it when red state conservatives come here thinking they’re going to walk all over us. We’re the 5th largest economy in the world. We are better capitalists than most.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:48 amMore of the same retarded inaccurate talking point strategy aimed at the dopey sheeple:
November 30th, 2005 at 11:48 amHitler/Fascism = the liberal left
(a nice loud yawn)ooooohhhhohummm
Damn!, BO looks really depressed all the time, even with all that make-up.
The right hates it when anyone points out the similarities between the Bush administration’s propaganda tactics and those employed by Joseph Goebbels, but they never miss an opportunity to compare people THEY disagree with to Hitler or the Nazis.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:49 amYou are off topic MA, what have you got to say about Katie and Bill?
November 30th, 2005 at 11:49 amUnder the Radar
IRAQ — PENTAGON PUTS OUT ‘COVERT PROPAGANDA’ IN IRAQ: Following the Education Department’s “covert propaganda” campaign in the United States, the Pentagon is now secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to publish stories — favorable to the United States — written by the U.S. military. But when published, these stories often are presented as “unbiased news accounts written and reported by independent journalists.” The stories contain quotes from anonymous military officials, and it is “unclear whether the quotes are authentic.” “Absolute truth was not an essential element of these stories,” said a senior military official. One newspaper that readily accepted the Pentagon’s newspapers was Al Mutamar, the newspaper run by associates of Ahmad Chalabi.
MILITARY — ARMY TRIES TO REENLIST FORMER SOLDIERS: In an effort to meet their goal to enlist 80,000 soldiers this year, “the Army has a new offer: Join us and regain your old rank without repeating basic training.” The Army hopes to plug last year’s 7,000 soldier recruitment gap. “The Army previously had welcomed back former service members, but only under conditions that made it unattractive to most, namely that they would lose their prior rank and were required to take basic training again.” The new offer applies to all former soldiers who return to the Army after being out of uniform for fewer than five years.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:49 amZookeeper – wouldn’t we all have liked to have seen cute, perky little Katie pull a Shanon Stone/Basic Instinct move on Bill. The look on his face as he grabed his falafell would have been priceless.
MA – you are an idiot. Didn’t you see I was making fun of your foolish ideas? I’m not about to try and “talk” to you because you are a moron. Not worth my time and bandwidth other than to cast stones at.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:51 amO’reilly is a tool.. he thrives on attention,
November 30th, 2005 at 11:51 amcynical ex-hippie . where is “here?”
November 30th, 2005 at 11:51 amwhere are you?
#67 numerous interviews with refugees and others directly involved. FYI. You’re determined to misunderstand me, but I’ll say it again. If huge asshole calls every respectable person X, people will want to be called X. Don’t confuse opposition to death squads with support for communism. Was the archbishop a communist? Those poor unfortunate nuns? Remember when GHW Bush gave his assurance that his buddies were not involved in all that nastiness?
November 30th, 2005 at 11:51 amhow ironic that he would use a hitler reference when the president’s own grandfather was a hitler supporter.. google ‘prescott bush hitler’
the similarities between 9/11 and the reichstag fire are pretty eerie too.. both bush and hitler ended up with a war of agression against those that hadnt attacked them (called terrorists or communists at the time).. turned out that germans had set their own reichstag on fire to fuel the will for a war for agression.. the same will eventually be found to be true about 9/11..
9/11 was an inside job, orchestrated by dick cheney through the use of 5 live fly wargames on the morning of 9/11, wake up people!
November 30th, 2005 at 11:52 am#76 One of this country’s liberal strongholds. You know, the kind of place Bush and his supporters like to deride. Also, one of the economic powerhouses of the country.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:52 am#56
“a.) Try to use Mazola in your Prius – and carry a longer cord.”
This show what a retard you are. A Toyota Prius is not an electric car. It does not ever need to be plugged into an electrical outlet. It is a hybrid vehicle that generates electricity while it is going downhil and while it is braking. Stupid.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:52 am#71 – the only fascists in modern day politics are the hit men on the left – Franken, Soros, MoveOn and Teddy Kennedy. They insist on Bush appointing judges that have a radical left-wing agenda. Anyone that falls short of that will be smeared.
America knows who the real Joe McCarthys are today and that is why the Democratic Party is out of power.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:53 amIf Communism, ala Sandanista, was so appealing in Nicaragua, please tell me how Repubs “stole the election†for Violetta
Chiammoro?
With bombings, death squads, and other acts of terrorism, making it clear that such acts would continue until they elected a leader friendly to US corporate interests.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:57 amIf that chicken hawk Bill O’coward had not been such a chicken hawk and served his country he wouldnt go around calling the brave people who served pin heads. The biggest pin head of all is Bill O’Reilly !!!!!!!
November 30th, 2005 at 11:57 am#61 – “Just put down the Twinkies Mighty Aphrodite and tell us about progress being made in Iraq.
Comment by Average Pessimess”
****I hate Twinkies – but I think Susan has a few dozen left. Guess you missed the part about children being vaccinated, schools opening, political debate taking place, trials proceeding against Saddam and his followers, Iraqi forces successfully protecting polling stations, increased number of batallions relying on less US military leadership and tactical planning… But like so many negative Chicken Littles, keep running around in circles shrieking, “The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!!!(Maybe you’ll work off a few Twinkie calories.)
Now, kids, I’ll be gone most of the day – play nicely together. Sponge – your Mom said you need to use MORE VULGAR and colourful language – just like she taught you!!
November 30th, 2005 at 11:57 amAmerica knows who the real Joe McCarthys are today and that is why the Democratic Party is out of power.
Bullshit. The Democratic Party is out of power due to Republican vote fraud. No other reason.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:57 am“Mad Murtha is a two-bit hit man for the left.”
Murtha is well respected by republican and democratic members of both the House and Senate. Time for you to look before you leap.
“the liberal media has a tendancy to exaggerate negative events such as Katrina and of course, the war.”
No exageration needed. Bush not showing support is what brought out the negatives. And that goes for the war and Katrina. No support from our leaders.
“America is a tough country and it’s a shame people like Murtha will so easily bet against it.”
Murtha is THE biggest supporter of our military than any other person in Washington they only people that don’t get that are the Bush administration and you.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:00 pmIf we were Hitler supporters we would support the policies of the Bush administration also.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:02 pmMA, I think the 1990 Nicaraugan elections may not have been free: they seem to have cost the CIA (and you, the American taxpayer) about $48m. Oh and the national intelligence budget is now beyond congressional oversight, nice eh?
http://www.brianwillson.com/awolnicelection.html
The Best Democracy Money Can Buy! Acknowledgements to Greg Palast.
Sorry. I’ll get back on topic – I really can’t think of anything to say about Katie or Bill, but I won’t do a Danny K and foam at the mouth randomly…
November 30th, 2005 at 12:03 pm#65
“and HOPE that we can bring democracy to the middle east”
Wow, a clear admission of faith based politics.
I am HOPING that George Bush will choke on another pretzel. What er the odds of that? About the same as bringing democracy to the middle east. You see, they don’t want our brand of democracy. They have Islam. Are you gonna try and convert them awawy from Islam?
November 30th, 2005 at 12:03 pm[...] Bill O’Reilly compares decorated Vietnam veteran Rep. John Murtha to Hitler sympathizers on this morning’s Today Show. Says people who want to get out of Iraq now, “just don’t get it.”. So a decorated and respected veteran doesn’t understand war as well as draft dodgers, deferment seekers, and umm… Bill. [...]
November 30th, 2005 at 12:04 pmThe people who were arguing that Hitler wasn’t such a bad guy were those making money selling him weapons. Like Prescott Bush!
November 30th, 2005 at 12:05 pmIt blows me away that people still buy this sh*t every day. Both my in-laws LOVE FAUXNEWS. They ONLY trust Faux. They paint me a pinko-wuss-liberal (another traitor).
My MOther-in-Law contiued to argue “TRUTH” is subjective. I tried to correct her, We have truth and opinion, they are not the same. She would not give up her point, so since judgement is so subjective you might as well pick the TRUTH you want.
I am trying to teach my kids truth to power no matter who is in control. Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth. My in-laws don’t care about truth, only what they want to believe so I guess I cracked one of the reasons how American’s can still buy this crap. I mean, what the hell do they think America is great for; why America is the greatest country on earth???
Honor and justice the american way… what idiots. They go to great lenghts, crazy duplicity to continue Bush SUpport. THEY BELIEVE BUSH IS THE GREATEST PRESIDENT!!! I just can’t possibly understand… sigh
“Don’t believe that traitor Michael Moore!” they tell me. When I ask why they say he is lying to sell books. FOX is the only network that EVERY talking head has published books, and many more then 1!! uggghh!!
I swear, sometimes I get so crazy in my head I want a civil war.
Roof top
November 30th, 2005 at 12:05 pmsix pack/rifle.
Aim for bush stickers
shoot.
repeat.
How’s it hangin’ Danny Kaye my long lost butt buddy?
November 30th, 2005 at 12:05 pm#76
If he is talking abou tthe world fifth largest economy, he is talking about California.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:07 pm“America knows who the real Joe McCarthys are today and that is why the Democratic Party is out of power.”
Tell that to Bush who is now getting hammered by democrats AND republicans. It is the NeoCons that have lost power.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:10 pmI am HOPING that George Bush will choke on another pretzel. What er the odds of that? About the same as bringing democracy to the middle east. You see, they don’t want our brand of democracy. They have Islam. Are you gonna try and convert them awawy from Islam?
People in the Middle East would probably love REAL Democracy. But military occupation by a foreign power isn’t democracy and will never lead to it.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:11 pmI mean and that is the point SPudgeBoy, Neo-Cons, not True Republicans are in control, why can’t my in-laws just except that and see it as a way to come out of supporting bush???
The neo-cons duped us, this is not true Conervatisim.. this is Pirate Fascists…
but no, they love these idiots and see any and all Republican bad press as Evil Democrates empty attacks..
November 30th, 2005 at 12:12 pm#84
“Sponge – your Mom said you need to use MORE VULGAR and colourful language – just like she taught you!! ”
Actually, my mom is one of you people. She is a Republican and a Church lady. SO, be careful who you attack, it may be one of your own.
So go fvck yourself with a razor barb stick in your ass. cvnt.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:12 pmWhy do you guys even respond to the trolls? You’re just giving them the attention they crave. Picking at them is like picing at a zit. It only makes the problem worse. Ignore them and they’ll be forced to seek gratification elsewhere.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:13 pmNazis Bill? Takes one to know one..
November 30th, 2005 at 12:13 pmI think to myself if I were single and had no kids, I would make it my business to go down to Foxnews (I live in NY) and wait for O’rielly and Hannity to show up and attack them. I am not kidding. A nice shiner or fat lip would be fantastic to see on them. what a picture…
They are a disgrace to my Country and deserve much worse.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:15 pm1) Until Bill O’Reilly apologises, every Democrat on his show must demand an apology and not say anything else until they get that apology.
2) Outside of Bill O’Reilly’s home and place(s) of work, the DNC needs to put a Shame on You billboard.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:16 pmWhy do you guys even respond to the trolls?
Comment by El Perro Patron
I know, I know!!!
It’s because we are the closest thing to an reasonable rational adult this site has to offer. Besides…I’m impossible to ignore. Try it….loser.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:17 pmDo we need to see a smut filled creature like this on the show, Katie????
November 30th, 2005 at 12:17 pm“2) Outside of Bill O’Reilly’s home and place(s) of work, the DNC needs to put a Shame on You billboard.”
That’s a great idea.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:17 pmIt would be so nice if the MSM stopped giving the bully pulpit to the wingnuts. It seems like the crazier they are, the more airtime they get.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:20 pmThis hate-spewing jerk is trying to create a civil war in America. He must be stopped. Boycott any and all sponsors of any program that give this diseased human air time.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:24 pmWhy would the Today Show have Bill O’Loser on their show? For the advertisers benefit of course. They know that not only does Bully Boy have a legion of brain dead followers, but they are also already preselected as people who tend to waste their money on useless vanity products like an O’Reilly windbreaker or No Spin Zone tie clasp or Bill’s favorite, The Factor Falafel Flavored Dildo. Idiots with expendable cash and no taste… That’s an advertiser’s dream demographic.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:25 pmWhat? I guess my Mighty Booting campaign didn’t work out as I had hoped for you Iassholeee. Damn. Actually, you aren’t very adult. But more so than ned, who has been wonderfully absent lately. But you are right up there with MA. If you want to post yourself to be deserving of respect, don’t end your schpeil with “loser”. Me I don’t really care for your respect. LOSER.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:25 pmAnd why do journalists interview other “journalists” anyway (I know O’Reilly is a stretch there)? That seems so incestuous. Journalists should be working the story. Interviews with the journalists themselves belongs on Entertainment shows, not news broadcasts. It’s journalism on the cheap.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:26 pm#106, that’s right S – the SCLM looks more and more like Jerry Springer every day.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:26 pmIronic that a NAZI accuses others of acting like hitler sympathizers. Hitler invaded Poland illegally on trumped up reasons as well – and the ‘hitler sympathizers’ were the people in germany who went along with it – just like O’Leilly.
What a hypocrite, a liar and a FOOL!
November 30th, 2005 at 12:26 pm#109 I saw Ned in New York last week, I took this photo: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/nutrichris/detail?.dir=/6f32&.dnm=7b41re2.jpg
November 30th, 2005 at 12:31 pmIt’s obvious that Bill Al Reilly (hey Bill, have your terrorist buddies completed their plan to bomb Coit Tower yet?) and other right-wing nuts use insults, invective, and strong emotions to prove their point. Liberals use truth and logic. Unfortunately, a majority of Americans seem to prefer the obscene and showy over those boring facts…how else can we explain Al Reilly and pro wrestling?
November 30th, 2005 at 12:31 pmI guess we get what we put up with. I am going to send a little note off to the Today’s Show network about that O’Reilly idiot. If I wanted to watch FOX, I know how to turn the channel.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:33 pmInteresting, we need a study.. I bet majority of Pro Wrestling fans voted for Bush. hands down.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:33 pmThe Worst Thing Imaginable is to HIGHLY Critizise Military VETS, Treat them as Exposable, Throw them OUT in ther Streets, KILL Them with FRIENDLY?Fire. Then Call them BACK?????????????????????????????????
MILITARY — ARMY TRIES TO REENLIST FORMER SOLDIERS: In an effort to meet their goal to enlist 80,000 soldiers this year, “the Army has a new offer: Join us and regain your old rank without repeating basic training.†The Army hopes to plug last year’s 7,000 soldier recruitment gap. “The Army previously had welcomed back former service members, but only under conditions that made it unattractive to most, namely that they would lose their prior rank and were required to take basic training again.†The new offer applies to all former soldiers who return to the Army after being out of uniform for fewer than five years.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:33 pmBO. YOU are a Fascist!(fact)
BO responds; no, the left is fascist.
It’s the old, “I know you are but what am I”, practiced by 8 year old’s throughout the country for ages.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:34 pmThe Falafel King Has Spoken!
November 30th, 2005 at 12:34 pmEnough of this asshole.
Is Mel Brooks behind this?
Straight to Broadway!
mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging
November 30th, 2005 at 12:34 pmHoly crap, Morgan Fairchild of all people is on MSNBC now and boy she laid it out!! SHe is fantastic, calling Bush straight out
November 30th, 2005 at 12:39 pmLeaving Hussein in power in 1991 sent a terrible message to the world. When liberals realize that, they might be better off. Until they stop blaming Bush and start blaming terrorists, they are doomed to minority status.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:40 pmTy, how could you insult Mel Brooks like that? Mel is funny and talented…Falafel King is mean and criminal.
I’m sorry, but even when I’m in my best mood, Al Reilly makes me cringe, not laugh.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:40 pmShe was opposite Pat Buchanan (who also speaks the truth but with a non-liberal way. they should have their own show.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:41 pmDanny – Katie Couric and Bill O’Reilly… look at the picture if it will help you.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:42 pmDanny, WTF??? It was a Republican president who left Hussein in power. He had good reasons for doing so, as well.
Also, you’re confusing the words “Hussein” and “terrorists”. They had nothing whatsoever to do with each other. That is a fact. To bad the current Republican president doesn’t let facts stand in his way. Too bad the current Republican president is nearly as smart as the former Republican president.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:43 pmall these chickenhawks wanting to stay the course…sending soldiers to die when they dodged the chance to become real men…gag me with a spoon…
November 30th, 2005 at 12:44 pm“Leaving Hussein in power in 1991 sent a terrible message to the world.”dannyKKK
You mean the message that we respect international law, even though Saddam didn’t and THAT was the reason we were fighting him?
And the current me we sent is that we’ll lie, kill, use WMDs, torture and break international law if you make us mad – ironically the EXACT same characteristics we claim we were fighting Saddam over.
You’re such an idiot, you certainly picked the correct political party that reflects your ignorance.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:45 pmUntil they stop blaming Bush and start blaming terrorists,
It’s logically impossible to do both of those at once.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:47 pmOh, Danny, by the way, one of the principal people involved with the decision to not try to remove Hussein from power in 1991 was Dick Cheney. He publically defended that decision, and with some very well-reasoned, well-thought out points, I might add. Talk about a flip-flopper.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:47 pmBoy, I know I’m gonna get flamed for this one, but Judd, you’re stretching things a bit to say that O’Reilly compared Murtha to “Hitler sympathizers.” Look, I hate O’Reilly, and what he said was stupid, but let’s not do what he does and twist people’s words to try to score cheap points.
First (and I’m going by your quote here, I haven’t watched the video): He didn’t say Murtha, he referred to people saying “Get Out of Iraq Now” (assuming there are such people). Murtha has not said that — he wants a 6 month redeployment and a ready strike force, etc. The Republicans said he called for immediate withdrawal, remember? Their stupid little sham resolution on immediate withdrawal that they tried to say was Murtha/the Dems’ proposal? But he didn’t say that. So, not for O’Reilly’s sake, but for Murtha’s, let’s keep our facts straight here.
Second, O’Reilly’s comment doesn’t necessarily refer to “Hitler sympathizers.” He’s obviously trying to make a lame reference to people like Chamberlain, who I don’t think anybody would call a “sympathizer” of Hitler. He misjudged him, and was too eager to appease him to avoid war, but I don’t think this was out of sympathy for Hitler or his aims.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:48 pmMSM meeting talking heads like Katie that let this crap go unchecked are far worse than scum like O’Reilly. Who the hell ever came up with the notion that the truth tellers and liars need equal air time?
November 30th, 2005 at 12:49 pmSo “if” Murtha was a Hitler sympathizer, what does that make O’Reilly…A Communist supporter? Because according to his views, everything should be one way with ONE person stating the facts and everyone supporting it, regardless of their personal beliefs…
But hey, a senile old white man with sun spots and a clear propensity for forgetting snd distortion of the facts, sounds like symptoms of alzheimers to me??? I for one, feel that it is his way of saying he really didn’t understand his ignorance of the time…
November 30th, 2005 at 12:50 pmI get so sick of correcting all of you republican retards on this. You know conservatards, you can buy a dictionary if you want to learn english – so few of you seem to even know what basic words mean.
Webster defines fascism as “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
American Heritage instead describes it as “A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.”
That completely and accurately describes the Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/Exxon/TimeWarner/OLeilly combination of belligerent nationalism. It also describes the fascist trolls on this site to a tee…
Now Republican Children, grow up and go read a book. Illiteracy and ignorance among the reichwing is just embarrassing!
November 30th, 2005 at 12:50 pmO’Reilly must be talking about the Bush crowd — wasn’t Bush’s granddaddy a supporter of Hilter?
November 30th, 2005 at 12:53 pm#122
“Leaving Hussein in power in 1991 sent a terrible message to the world.”
That is hilarious. That was Operation Desert Storm. That is where I was. We were called back by Smart Bush, because he didn’t want to get us into the never ending war we are in right now. He wanted to save lives to keep from happening what is going on there now.
George HW Bush, samrt.
George W Bush, stupid.
November 30th, 2005 at 12:56 pmI don’t think that Bush’s grandfather’s support of Hitler has any bearing on the current Bush’s policies, to be honest with you. And I’m quite sure that if GWB was president back in 1941, instead of FDR, he also would’ve taken immediately and decisive action against the invaders.
Imagine…right after the Japanese attack, GWB addressing the nation, and talking about the “infamacousness of the attack”. The next day, in retaliation for the actions of the Japanese, America invades South Africa.
40 years later…America is still in South Africa. Honeymooners everywhere needs a passport and a visa from the Japanese embassy to visit Hawaii. Over 200,000 American troops have died, but those South Africans now know their place.
On second thought, I’m glad that Democratic FDR was president then…
November 30th, 2005 at 1:01 pmMarquis,
Bush’s Grandfather Prescott was both a supporter and FUNDER of hitler. He and his bank were fined after it was discovered.
Republicans were often fascist traitors during world warII, it’s amazing we were able to win at all with so many of those treasonous bastards around. Good thing we didn’t have a republican president at the time!
November 30th, 2005 at 1:01 pmtoo bad Katie didnt have a falafell (read loofa) to stuff in his big mouth!!!
November 30th, 2005 at 1:02 pmDannyK, Big George Bush new that taking out Hussein would cause the very mess we now see in Iraq…thats why he was left in power…he keep the likes of the Taliban at bay. He had NOTHING to do with 9/11, Al Qaeda or bin Laden (oh yeah, bin Laden…remember him?) When Conservatives realize that, they will understand that the US created this whole charade for oil.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:03 pmRyan…
Watch yourself…You might be labeled as a “true” Republican…And you know educating the Radical-Right may label you as a traitor by many of the neo-cons!
And as you know, Your definition is not a popular stance to have these days…Unless you subscribe to the 700 Club and donate to Pat Robertson for his new Bentley!
I know the ideal on conservatism has changed, and I feel that the Republican party has been hi-jacked by a christian initiative that has distorted the views of what the party was truly about…
Reagan was NOt the best President, in my opinion, but he did respect the principles of that party. This guy (BUSH) does not have a clue about the true creed of what a Republican is supposed to be…
November 30th, 2005 at 1:06 pmWhy Bad Mouth a Military Veteran that Has “BEEN THERE DONE THAT”? And then try to reenlist them?
MILITARY — ARMY TRIES TO REENLIST FORMER SOLDIERS: In an effort to meet their goal to enlist 80,000 soldiers this year, “the Army has a new offer: Join us and regain your old rank without repeating basic training.†The Army hopes to plug last year’s 7,000 soldier recruitment gap. “The Army previously had welcomed back former service members, but only under conditions that made it unattractive to most, namely that they would lose their prior rank and were required to take basic training again.†The new offer applies to all former soldiers who return to the Army after being out of uniform for fewer than five years.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:10 pmWatch out Iraqvet, They are Comin to get you.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:12 pmI don’t hate Republicans …. I just hate their behavior.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:12 pmWith all the talk about Hitler, one should notice the similarities to GWB’s speech right after 9-11 and Hitler’s after the Reichstag fire. The paid pudit’s for the right invoke Hitler to keep the idiot’s frothing. In reality the current regime is doing the same thing step by step as did Hitler and that should be where the Bush family ties to Hitler come to light.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:13 pmThe Republican party was hijacked back in Reagan’s day, too. Remember Jerry Falwell and Ed Meese? Still, I must admit that I respected the Republican party…up until Newt Gringrich and the “Contract with America”, which turned out to be “Contract on America”.
How the Republican party went from Abraham Lincoln to GWB just escapes me…
November 30th, 2005 at 1:13 pmI used to watch the Today show, but I have declined to do so within the last year. And what happened today was proof that I had no regrets abandoning Katie, Matt, Al and Ann. Although, I cheered for Matt when he went up against Tom Cruise, I’m extremely pissed at Al for being more of a joke.
Why couldn’t the producers of the show invite Al Franken, Dana Milbrook, Maureen Dowd, or Randy Rhodes
to the program? I plan to e-mail the Today show to ask why and to tell them that they need to provide equal objectivity in their stories.
And I just think it’s now typical for Mighty Hermaphroditzo to chicken out of intellectual discussions just as soon as she makes a couple of usless posts. Typical troll.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:14 pmSame double speak and oxymoron talk from O’Reilly and the great right fascists:
1. Most are draft dodging cowards (O’ Reilly, Limbaugh, Rove, Cheney, etc.) and choose to “swift boat” vets who don’t agree with them.
2. They have no problem invoking Hitler and the Nazi party when describing people who are diametrically opposed to fascism. Instead they are describing themselves and spewing their self-hatred.
3. They cling to the weak GOP talking points, ie. “freedom’s on the march”, “Iraqi elections”, “Iraq/911, Iraq/911, Iraq/911..”, “cut ‘n run”, “mission accomplished”, etc…..puke
4. They try to tell us the economy is great when that only applies to career McDonalds burger slingers. You can’t trade skilled jobs for a mop and a broom and say the economy is great. Idiots.
So why are the trolls so damn intersted in the welfare of the Iraqi’s now? Why are they so “compassionate” about liberating a people that they really wanted to blow off the face of the earth prior to the invasion? I’ll tell you why: To stay lock-in-step with their Feuhrer and help continuously change the reasons as to why we invaded Iraq. These filthy degenerates will stop at nothing to hang onto power.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:16 pmDanny, Join the Military.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:16 pmBy the way, wasn’t there suppose to be a resoultion in San Francisco to ask Fox to fire O’Lielly for his disgusting comments about bombing the city?
Does anyone know what happened? Please let me know.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:17 pmDannyK
“I think that the proposition of going to Baghdad is also fallacious. I think if we were going to remove Saddam Hussein we would have had to go all the way to Baghdad, we would have to commit a lot of force because I do not believe he would wait in the Presidential Palace for us to arrive. I think we’d have had to hunt him down. And once we’d done that and we’d gotten rid of Saddam Hussein and his government, then we’d have had to put another government in its place. What kind of government? Should it be a Sunni government or Shi’i government or a Kurdish government or Ba’athist regime? Or maybe we want to bring in some of the Islamic fundamentalists? How long would we have had to stay in Baghdad to keep that government in place? What would happen to the government once U.S. forces withdrew? How many casualties should the United States accept in that effort to try to create clarity and stability in a situation that is inherently unstable? I think it is vitally important for a President to know when to use military force. I think it is also very important for him to know when not to commit U.S. military force. And it’s my view that the President got it right both times, THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE FOR US TO GET BOGGED DOWN IN THE QUAGMIRE INSIDE IRAQ.” 4-29-91 Cheney
“And the question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam worth? And the answer is not very damned many.” 8-92
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Scholar says Bush has used obscure doctrine to extend power 95 times:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/CanExecutive_Branch_Decide_0923.html
I got 50+ more links to give to you if you want to read about the attack on civil liberties since 9/11. I think I don’t even have to mention which party is pushing hardest for them.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:20 pmMighty,
November 30th, 2005 at 1:23 pmIf vaccinations, schools, political debate, putting Saddam on trial, armed polling places and building a foreign military abroad were popular with Americans it would have been done a long time ago. Americans aren’t into this anymore. It doesn’t make us bad people. Most of us are smart enough to know these aren’t the resons we’re in Iraq. And if a super majority of Americans aren’t into this then the leaders need to follow suit. I don’t think it is mathematically possible for our leaders to care about something more than the people do. If Americans were concerned about these things they would be on the news every night. They’re not. You will blame the media bias but you’re wrong. There are very good reasons feel-good stories don’t come out of Iraq. Censorship is not one of them.
Besides, your stuff clearly comes off Whitehouse.gov.
Hey, If I-RIGHT-I is still around he needs to answer three questions.
1) Are you 35? If so I am older than you, that leaves Intelligence and Wisdom.
2) How do you want to prove Intelligence?
3) How do you want to prove Wisdom?
I’m willing to prove that following your criteria, my comments about what I believe are more valid than yours.
You claimed that they were becose you were older (apparently not), wiser and more intelligent.
Now, either put up, or shut up.
Z.
p.s. Sorry to the rest of you if you’ve seen this before, but I STILL want an answer…
November 30th, 2005 at 1:24 pm#108,
You are exactly correct.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:26 pmo reilly peaked during his “sex scandel”, hes a bum, and the world, fox viewer or fox hater knows hes just not credible (he never was in my opinion), he is begging for some new attention. The today show is not made up of the smartest people in television, they book anyone, they just hope for some buzz.
o reilly isnt worth it, this is what he loves, more attention.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:28 pmOReily is a street thug and will do or say anything to remain on television and the more outrageous he is and the more progressives sink to his level and respond or give him the time of day the more empowered he becomes. STOPPIT! As for the Today show or Fox News new morning show…pleez how many more right wingers and republican talking heads will Katie and MAtt give a platform…is that because they want to make sure Courd comes on there show to mouth the Bush position or they get access to W? Suspect it is and I for I am not watching them any longer. Good Morning America and CBS Morning if you must watch stupid programming is an alternative.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:36 pm#129#
Until they stop blaming Bush and start blaming terrorists,
It’s logically impossible to do both of those at once.
Comment by Gary Kleppe — November 30, 2005 @ 12:47 pm
Gary – I disagree – From where I stand, Bush is a terrorist.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:38 pmMJ, that was rather my point.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:40 pmKeep waiting Zwack…
I-WRONG is a COWARD and a FRAUD, just here to demonstrate his ignorance and misguided realities upon those who he feels he can initimidate…
His record is not too good…So be patient, because the short bus doesn’t get back for a while!
Free…
I am already here (Hahahaha), and if YOU could see the recruits we are getting in now…EVERYONE would be very worried about our security! Bad time to be on DRILL status!
Next up…Go to war or Go to jail!
November 30th, 2005 at 1:43 pmThat nut case is a diversion , to get our mind from Georgie W. and the continued casuaties , destuction and expenses.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:44 pmHe’s a baby crying for attention.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:46 pmBush a terrorist? Well, he did terrorize the American people into re-electing him (or electing him, depending on your views of the 2000 election). The color-coded terrorist alert went to orange several times during the election, and hasn’t done so since. He tried to paint Kerry as someone who doesn’t know anything about the military (in Vietnam, Kerry was getting shot at, Bush was doing shots). Overall, though, Bush has killed almost as many Americans as bin Laden, although I have to admit he’s approaching that 3000 mark awful quickly. Until Bush, through his hard work, passes bin Laden’s mark, I’m not sure I can call him a terrorist.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:47 pmCountdown will have a great take on this unless the host has gone over to the other side.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:49 pmBush a terrorist? Well, he did terrorize the American people into re-electing him (or electing him, depending on your views of the 2000 election).
Either assumes the 2004 election was honest, which is doubtful to say the least.
Overall, though, Bush has killed almost as many Americans as bin Laden, although I have to admit he’s approaching that 3000 mark awful quickly. Until Bush, through his hard work, passes bin Laden’s mark, I’m not sure I can call him a terrorist.
You seem to think that only American lives matter. Bush and his cronies have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:52 pmIraqVet,
Thanks, I know…
I explicitly stated in a different thread that I am not a member of the armed forces, but that if I was I would be more concerned about lack of planning than whether people disagreed with the President. IRI then claimed that my comments were less valid than his because… he hadn’t signed up, but he was “older, more intelligent and wiser” than me.
Ryan then posted a comment about him being 35, which makes him younger than me (I’m 36 if it counts), and I am willing to prove that I am more intelligent and wiser than him.
Every time I post my challenge he seems to stop writing in those threads though…
I wonder why. Probably something to do with the coke that he mentioned he had up his nose.
Z.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:53 pmFree…
I am already here (Hahahaha), and if YOU could see the recruits we are getting in now…EVERYONE would be very worried about our security! Bad time to be on DRILL status!
Next up…Go to war or Go to jail!
Comment by IraqVet
You spend to much time on the internet to be in the service. I’m thinking possibly used car salesman.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:07 pmEvery time I post my challenge he seems to stop writing in those threads though…
I wonder why. Probably something to do with the coke that he mentioned he had up his nose.
Z.
Comment by Zwack
You don’t have the skills or the tools to challenge me.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:08 pmGary, the 2004 election was honest, by most accounts. Bush’s 2004 campaign, however, was not. And the 2004 election was not even close to the mandate Bush claimed it is.
I don’t think that only American lives matter. The fact that so many Iraqi lives have been needlessly lost only adds to Bush’s crimes.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:11 pmClassic!!
http://wewanttobeonoreillyslist.blogspot.com/
November 30th, 2005 at 2:14 pmI-RIGHT-I…
You made your claim, now I want proof. If you prove to be older, wiser and more intelligent than me then I will accept it and admit that I am wrong.
If however I turn out to be Older, Wiser and more intelligent than me then I would like you to stop posting your imbecilic trolls.
Given the evidence we have so far, it seems like I am winning one of the three categories THAT YOU CHOSE already. I am older than you based on the evidence that we have.
If I was going to be mean about it I would claim that that makes me the winner already as at least one of your three options is wrong and you used the conjunction AND rather than OR.
Now, given that the only way you can save face in this is to accept that we prove which of us is more intelligent and wiser. Claiming that “You don’t have the tools for it” simply makes you sound like the yellow-bellied coward that you are.
Now, what are the rules for the Intelligence challenge going to be? (Bear in mind that I have a Masters degreee and complete all of the puzzles in the local paper puzzle page on a 30 minute bus ride in the morning you might want to just cede defeat now.)
Z.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:16 pmGary, the 2004 election was honest, by most accounts.
Um, no. Go read Free Press, or the Conyers report.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:16 pmI-RIGHT-I,
by the way, if you really are that much better than me, don’t worry… I’m willing to accept defeat if I have to. Let me worry about whether I have the skills or not.
Z.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:17 pm“You don’t have the skills or the tools to challenge me.”
Yes, because you have some serious mad l337 haxzors skillz? Okay, send me a DDOS attack right now.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:18 pm#172: Agreed. Ohio was not legitimate. I also implore anyone to read the Conyers report: “What Went Wrong in Ohio” and read the details.
This is a shocking account at how fraudulent these elections have been, and fraudulent elections are one of the first of the 14 characteristics of Fascism to surface when a nation is on a fascist trajectory.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:21 pm- Um, no. Go read Free Press, or the Conyers report.
- Comment by Gary Kleppe
Those are your sources … look, if I want to be taken seriously, I can’t support my far out theory with websites that are far out themselves. Of course they’re going to say the election was rigged. I bet you could find a strong defense of creationsim or “intelligent design” at Focus on the Family too …
November 30th, 2005 at 2:22 pmBad Science = I already know the truth, now how can I prove it.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:24 pm“Gee, weren’t some of the more notable Nazi sympathizers prior to the US involvement in WWII, members of the Bush, Mellon, and Scaife families, to name a few? Families/people that today write a lot of blank checks to support right wing/fundamentalist think tanks, which also create and furnish a lot of information and opinion to O’Reilly and the Bush White House?”
Well, to be fair, Joe Kennedy was up to his neck in prewar Nazi dealings…
November 30th, 2005 at 2:25 pmThe whole Nazi dealings line is fallacious anyhow (with both Dems and Repubs having dealt with them) … we have hindsight to guide our opinions of the Nazis and Hitler’s regime … they didn’t.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:28 pmThese “pin-heads” don’t know what they’re talking about? If anybody who doesn’t know what they are talking about it is Bill O’Reilly. I cannot believe he likened anti-war activists to Hitler supporters. Wait, no, I can believe it.
I hate Bill O’Reilly. I tore him a new one, again, last night on my blog. He is using defamation to allege defamation by the news media. Once again, contradicting himself.
http://secondcivilwar.blogspot.com
November 30th, 2005 at 2:30 pm#176: The John Conyers report is not a wacky website. It is a document produced by a long standing member of the House of Representatives, and is based on the affidavits of thousands of eye-witnesses and some election officials willing to stick their necks out.
Kenneth Blackwell is a henchman for the Bush Crime Syndicate just as Katherine Harris was in Florida in 2000.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:31 pmThose are your sources … look, if I want to be taken seriously, I can’t support my far out theory with websites that are far out themselves.
Where “far out” is defined as something you don’t agree with, no doubt.
Of course they’re going to say the election was rigged. I bet you could find a strong defense of creationsim or “intelligent design†at Focus on the Family too …
That’s like saying that logical arguments don’t mean anything, because you can find arguments out there in favor of pretty much any proposition that you want. That would be a dumb thing to say, because not all arguments are equal; some make sense, and some don’t.
That the sites are out there don’t prove anything. Read the content of the sites. The arguments and information ON the sites is the evidence.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:34 pmMy apologies in advance! Hate to hit and run – but there’s always later!!
Note to Sponge – I saw your Mom on her way to church. She said she did her very best to bring you up to be a “polite boy” – I told her Palmolive was my secret weapon (once!) when one of my Mini-Aphrodite’s let loose with a dirty word. But like a good conservative Mom, she said she loves you VERY much!!
#96 – “People in the Middle East would probably love REAL Democracy. But military occupation by a foreign power isn’t democracy and will never lead to it.
Comment by Gary Kleppe — November 30, 2005 @ 12:11 pm”
****Please explain your “brilliant” conclusion to the people in Germany and Japan. Mental Loafers of the World Unite!!!
#147 – “And I just think it’s now typical for Mighty Hermaphroditzo to chicken out of intellectual discussions just as soon as she makes a couple of usless posts. Typical troll.
Comment by JIMBO — November 30, 2005 @ 1:14 pm”
****Jumbo – It’s called WORK – something conservartive trolls engage in often – perhaps a foriegn concept, or maybe you’re busy saving lives on the graveyard shift. If it’s the former, you may wish to hook up with Gary’s “victims” group at “Mental Loafers of the World Unite!”
#153 – “There are very good reasons feel-good stories don’t come out of Iraq. Censorship is not one of them.”
– - Average
*****Surprisingly good point, Average!!!!! You know the adage, “If it bleeds it leads” – voila!!!
“Americans aren’t into this anymore. It doesn’t make us bad people.” -Average
*****Not bad people, but PESSIMISTIC people.
#165 – “You seem to think that only American lives matter. Bush and his cronies have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
Comment by Gary Kleppe — November 30, 2005 @ 1:52 pm”
*****I think your numbers are a bit skewed here, Gary. 100’s of 1000’s???????? But yes, being the optimistic realist I am, I hold American life in higher regard. Sadly, I realize that innocent people are killed every day in war zones – but the objective in a war is “VICTORY”. We seek victory to preserve our nation and her people.
Some folks don’t think our nation is worth preserving – but they can never seem to figure why people die to get here. Self-loathing, guilt tripping progs – why is there NO EXODUS out of this wonderful country if the system is so (fill in the blank): vile, unfair, racist, sexist, homophobic?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:37 pmcompletely amoral for nbc & couric to give a screeching kill bill a forum.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:39 pmDear Bill:
November 30th, 2005 at 2:43 pmI was a youth but alive during the World War II antecedent political retoric, and, as I recall, those who vociferously defended Fascism and Hitler’s hegemony ware almost totally, your right wing predecessors,i.e. the America Firsters, the Lindberg aplogists, the Henry Ford wing of American politics. Indeed, those who spoke most strongly against Hitler were the liberals and the liberal wing of the Republican Party against the abuse of the Right Wing of the period. A course in hisorty wouldn’t hurt Bill!!
Mighty Hermaphrodite is here to spread her mossad zionist propaganda again.
Why are you here again traitor? And why should we listen to someone who’s allegiance is clearly not with america? And by ‘our nation’, you mean israel right? Because clearly your interests aren’t those of our liberal democracy…
How long have you worked for the mossad, or are you so stupid you don’t even know who employees you?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:45 pmThat’s like saying that logical arguments don’t mean anything, because you can find arguments out there in favor of pretty much any proposition that you want. That would be a dumb thing to say, because not all arguments are equal; some make sense, and some don’t.
- Comment by Gary Kleppe
I think Occam’s Razor applies here … what’s more logical, that a party was able to “steal/rig” the election of the president or that the party (which holds a majority in both legislative branches already) won because more people 1) thought that party had the better values (ie. traditional) 2) thought that party was stronger on national defense. The democrats lost the last election becuase they failed to realize that moral issues (moral in terms of how traditional Christianity sees it) mobilizes voters and votes.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:46 pmMighty,
When you accuse patriots of not wanting to preserve our nation you take the wind out of your arguments.
It also shows a fundamental shortcoming in the logic area.
You truly are a Bush propagandist.
If you even tried to tie your loose ends and back up your assumptions with facts you’d have nothing to say. Doesn’t that bother you?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:46 pm“Bad Science = I already know the truth, now how can I prove it.
Comment by Giacomo”
Oh, you mean like ‘intelligent design’?
Yeah, bad science pretty much sums up republican approaches to everything from economics, to warfare to politics…
The whole foundation of ‘conservatism’ is that you already know the answer, that’s why you’re closed minded bigots. So bad science is a natural outcome of that psychosis isn’t it? Of course it is.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:47 pmMighty–
Explain to me how this war, where it has been proven that no links to al-Qaeda, no WMD, is preserving the country?
Iraq had one tyrant and a bunch of scared underlings pre-2003. Now? Hundreds, probably thousands of suicidal crazies, some of which are streaming across the borders, and creating more terrorists. How is that preserving the country?
Show me where “some folks” display their belief that the U.S. is not “worth perserving.”
If you were truly preserving America, you would remember that “All men are created equal.” It does not say, “All Americans are created equal, everyone else can suck it.”
People stick around here, MA, because of the possibility of change. The U.S. is not a dictatorship. We can change the government, and it is a fight worth waging.
The only thing you said right was that this is a “wonderful country.” However, it is people like you and BushCo. that are ruining it, destroying our credibility in the world and pissing on the true ideals that made this country great.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:48 pm“I think Occam’s Razor applies here … what’s more logical, that a party was able to “steal/rig†the election of the president or that the party (which holds a majority in both legislative branches already) won because more people” GeoMetro
Occam’s razor does apply. The easiest explanation for why exit polls mismatch election results in spite of unacceptable mathematics probabilities it defies is surely a stolen election. This ‘razor’ technique for electioneering is what the pentagon used to surmise a stolen election in the ukraine.
Before you use a math principle, understand it next time you dope.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:48 pm“why is there NO EXODUS out of this wonderful country if the system is so (fill in the blank): vile, unfair, racist, sexist, homophobic?
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Because the country isn’t that way, only CONSERVATIVES are that way. If you’d stop stealing elections, those conditions would go away.
Never thought of that one did you oh retarded one?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:50 pmBush supporters lied or said nothing at all in the exit polls because they were ashamed that they were voting out of fear for their cowardly pathetic lives.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:51 pmFYI GeoMetro, Gore received a HALF MILLION MORE VOTES THAN BUSH, so clearly your occam’s razor theory is contradicted by the fact that the majority of american’s DIDN’T buy your whacko values…
November 30th, 2005 at 2:51 pm“My apologies in advance! Hate to hit and run – but there’s always later!!”
You don’t hate to hit and run, that is you modus operandi.
“Note to Sponge – I saw your Mom on her way to church. She said she did her very best to bring you up to be a “polite boy†– I told her Palmolive was my secret weapon (once!) when one of my Mini-Aphrodite’s let loose with a dirty word. But like a good conservative Mom, she said she loves you VERY much!!”
My mother would never talk to a piece of shit like you. Nice to know that you tried to poison one of your children. I always knew you were pyscho. You just proved it. Fvck being polite, I already tried that.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:51 pm[...] Oh yeah, he also essentially called Rep. Murtha a Hitler sympathizer while on with Katie “superstar” Couric this morning. Don’t even get me started on Couric and her $15M/per to be a newsanchor. Grr. [...]
November 30th, 2005 at 2:51 pmVoters wanted a dog in Bush. They got it. Now they want their refund.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:52 pmATV,
Hehe, that’s funny. Unfortunately a lack of dignity seems to go with the same person who’s willing to vote for the idiot. That one doesn’t pan out in the real world…
November 30th, 2005 at 2:52 pm#187:
Do you really want to open up the can of worms concerning “Bush’s Christian Moral Values” right now?
This could lead to some severe flaming.
November 30th, 2005 at 2:52 pmRepublican = FASCIST
That’s what’s a FACT, everything else is a republican/neocon and if MightyMoron/NED or wwallace is involved a ‘israeli reichwing zionist’ lie.
I still can’t understand how these ‘few’ retarded jews could betray the history of the holocaust to become nazis. It’s unfathomably retarded. I can honestly say I’ve never met a jewish person – in person – who’s as retarded as these 3. What are you guys, the short bus kids that are generally hidden from public because the family is so embarrassed that you’re so stupid? It certainly seems that way…
November 30th, 2005 at 2:55 pmHahahahaha…Just proves what an idiot I-WRONG can be…
Apparently YOU have NO IDEA about military service, so let me enlighten you…
I am a DRILL INSTRUCTOR, which means I provide tools to soldiers who require them in a combat environment…
That status affords me time to take care of other matters, while the soldiers are at BRM training!
What an IDIOT!
November 30th, 2005 at 2:56 pmI must take exception to both O’Reilly’s comments and Aphrodite’s initial comments on this thread. Both show a degree of historical illiteracy that I find it difficult to stomach.
The reality of the thirties was that the world was in a great depression, and both Britain and France were effectively prostrate. America was isolationist. Russia was a reclusive communist Empire. Italy was favouring the Germans.
The truth was that both Britain and France were in a far weaker position, both militarily, economically and in terms of alliances (Russia, Italy) than they had been at the start of WWI.
Moreover, there was very little support for military aggression or strength among free European peoples. The travesties of the first world war had brought down a distaste that made the ‘Vietnam Syndrome’ of the US look like a snit.
The treaty of Versailles had been inequitable and everyone knew it. Hitler, could, with a fair bit of justification, claim equity on his side when re-occupying the Rhine, reclaiming the Saar, and even speaking out for Austrians and Sudeten Germans. I’m not a Hitler fan, and we know where his actions went and what it all resulted in. But in 1933, you couldn’t know it was going to lead to a World War, and you couldn’t really justify occupying the German Saar valley, and you weren’t going to risk a major war.
Hindsight is 20/20 and if Hitler had been stopped during his early political victories, that would have been the end of him. On the other hand, it was very clear that trying to stop those early political victories might simply have lead to a war right then and there, or might merely have fueled war later.
The Czechoslovakian crisis began because 30% of the population of Czechoslovakia were ethnic germans historically living in the Sudeten region bordering Germany. That was a historical and political and social fact that couldn’t be easily dismissed.
In attempting to resolve this crisis, Britain and France compromised Czech independence and aquiesced to the partition of that country. Well, guess what. (1) There was no way for them to help Czechoslovakia, as one look at a map will show. It was a tiny landlocked country far away from Britain and France. War breaks out, its gone. (2) Neither Britain nor France was in any way ready for war.
Neville Chamberlain came to the table with an empty hand, militarily, strategically, economically, and equitably. He did the best he could, and in the end, all he bought was time.
After Czechoslovakia, Britain and France became convinced of Hitler’s intransigence and began to rearm and prepare for war. They also decided that the next line would not be crossed. The fact is that when the war finally came, they were a good deal readier for it.
As it turned out, Britain survived that war, France did not. Had that war come in 1936, the Brits might not have been so lucky.
On the subject of Poland, Hitler began that war on a provocation. A group of Jewish and Polish prisoners were dressed in Polish uniforms, taken out to the border and shot. The Germans then announced a Polish invasion, including reports of German towns and radio stations being attacked. Germany claimed the right of self defense in attacking Poland.
So, bottom line: Pre-Emptive Self Defense against a country that posed no actual threat, and which was based on a pack of lies…. Sound familiar?
November 30th, 2005 at 2:56 pmSpudge/RYAN…
PLEASE handle my lightweight adversary!
He is clearly inferior to the ways of the military and can ONLY lower himself to name calling from the bleachers while others engage in USEFUL dialogue…
He ask for a challenge and I placed one, now he resorts to NAME-CALLING again? Can’t he come up with something refreshing?
This ONLY validates the claim, Patriotism is always in danger of those who wrap themselves in the flag only as a symbol, rather than a creed…”
November 30th, 2005 at 3:00 pmAnd just for the record, ‘vaccinations, elections, etc.’ are not proof that things are going well in Iraq. That’s merely desperate cherry picking.
Saddam Hussein held elections and plebiscites, which oddly enough, got the same sorts of votes (90% or better) than the Provincial tallies in the constitutional rounds. If we assume Saddam’s results meant his elections were not credible, we have to wonder about provincial corruption in the last round.
Vaccinations are carried out by NGO’s, and the US occupation can claim no credit there at all.
Given the state of Iraq, it is difficult to get reliable indicators detailing economic performance and quality of life. But there is one fairly hard core statistic that cannot be disputed: Electrical power generation. I would take Electrical power generation as an indicator of stability, quality of life, economic health and recovery.
As of the current date, Electrical Power Generation after three years of occupation, still fails to achieve levels set by Saddam Hussein three months after the Gulf War. Pathetic.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:03 pmRyan’s already touched on this, but by all means, let’s apply Occam’s Razor to the ‘04 election. You at home can play! Pick the simpler explanation in each case. It’s fun and educational!
1) Diebold and other companies are owned by Republicans. The CEO of Diebold was publically quoted as intending to deliver Ohio’s votes for Bush. Machines produced by these companies are completely unauditable and the code they run cannot be inspected by persons outside the company, making it an act of faith to trust that the totals they report bear any relation to actual votes cast, and they consistently favor Republicans over above-board exit polls.
A) The machines are rigged to favor Republicans.
B) The machines are honest. Any discrepancies or oddities is a result of the influence of space aliens.
2) Ken Blackwell, overseer of Ohio elections, was also co-chair of the state Bush campaign.
A) This is an unacceptable conflict of interest.
B) This is nothing to worry about. A Republican would never put personal gain over civic responsibility.
3) In districts heavy with likely Democratic voters, voters were made to wait in long lines for hours in the rain due to insufficient numbers of deployed voting machines. Many voters were sent to the wrong precinct. Still more were harassed by Republican observers, slowing the vote down even further.
A) This resulted in some people not being able to vote.
B) No it didn’t.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:05 pmValdron,
MightyHermaphrodite is illiterate in every topic she shares her ‘opinions’ on. If you could look up self important moron in a dictionary, her stupid fat puss would be there. She’s the classic self indulgent pig.
How many tons did you gain when you left the JAG there miss piggy? Can you even fit in anything smaller than an escallade now?
November 30th, 2005 at 3:05 pmTalk about the “pot calling the kettle black”.
He is twisting the clear associations with the rise in power of the Bush reich, er, I mean regime, er, I mean Administration, and trying to throw out a Red Herring to get us off the absolutely astounding similarities between the right wings rise to power, and attempts to fill the offices of the Federal government with conservate Christians who share their views on ushering in the reign of the Christ, and their own righteous selves of course.
I know a Nazi when I smell one, and O’lielly would have fit right into the good ole knee slapping reichstag gang.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:10 pmbetter to tolerate hitler than bush co. they make the third reich look like a den of boy scouts. and saddam simply looks genuine in contrast to bush’s pathological lies.
where the term nazi is used by these right wingers in the media, i’m sure there is an israeli check in their pocket with a nod of approval.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:12 pmWorfeus,
Do you mean like how
“Cheney’s office, Rumsfeld aides and others argued “that the president of the United States is all-powerful, that as commander in chief the president of the United States can do anything he damn well pleases,” Wilkerson said.”
from the AP.
That kinda sounds like Hitler to me…
November 30th, 2005 at 3:12 pmIf things are going so well then pResident bush should have had another Turkey dinner in Irag. Thanksgiving helped bring peace to native americans and the colonist. What a missed photo-op for shrub and the spread of democracy.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pmThis is a classic case of projection. He talks about Nazis all the time, because it’s on his mind, not because of anything he’s observing.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:24 pmGary
1) Diebold and other companies are owned by Republicans.
- Which proves … nothing. Is there any proof that those machines weren’t on the up and up other than the owner of the company is a Republican? Exit polling has been notriously innacurate … a conservative could say that a left leaning media has cause to lean the exit polls the way they want (which I’m not sying, but is along the same lines as the owner of the company is a republican)
2) Ken Blackwell, overseer of Ohio elections, was also co-chair of the state Bush campaign.
- Again, proves zip. Every one of the overseers of state elections wants their “guy” to win … this is a fact in all states and does not mean that those people are then more likely to cheat for their candidate.
3) In districts heavy with likely Democratic voters, voters were made to wait in long lines for hours in the rain due to insufficient numbers of deployed voting machines. Many voters were sent to the wrong precinct. Still more were harassed by Republican observers, slowing the vote down even further.
– this is an overly broad statement. I know where I need to vote … no one sends me anywhere. Harassmant occurred by both parties (slashed tires, etc.). George Bush could not possibly conjure the rain, so let’s leave that out. I stood in line for almost 2 hours … tough for me.
Do you honestly think it’s easier to say that the above sketchy “correlative” issues are actually “causal” issues than to say “this guy got more votes”. And yes, Ryan, Gore won the popular vote … we all know that … sucks for him about the electoral college thing.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:29 pmHe’s making the wrong WWII comparison.. what he should instead be comparing the “pin heads” to is the dissenters in Germany prior to Hitler’s pre-emptive invasion of russia.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:31 pmHahahahaha…Just proves what an idiot I-WRONG can be…
Apparently YOU have NO IDEA about military service, so let me enlighten you…
I am a DRILL INSTRUCTOR, which means I provide tools to soldiers who require them in a combat environment…
That status affords me time to take care of other matters, while the soldiers are at BRM training!
What an IDIOT!
Comment by IraqVet
I think you’re burger flipper but whatever…I shudder to think that someone with your hate for America would be teaching anyone anything but that’s pretty much par for the course in any school these days.
Dang…I think I’m out of bourbon and Prozac…..MEDIC!!!!!!
November 30th, 2005 at 3:33 pmbetter to tolerate hitler than bush co. they make the third reich look like a den of boy scouts. and saddam simply looks genuine in contrast to bush’s pathological lies.
where the term nazi is used by these right wingers in the media, i’m sure there is an israeli check in their pocket with a nod of approval.
Comment by weefs
MEDIC?????!!!!!!
November 30th, 2005 at 3:35 pmFunny, it was only a year ago that the fRight wing was denouncing any comparisons with Hitler, O’Reilly included:
http://www.fair.org/activism/hitler-ads.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff01062004.html
Of course, it was also denounced by the ADL, which holds exclusive rights to the words “Hitler,” “Holocaust,” “Third Reich,” and all acceptable historical accounts of WWII.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:49 pm#187
“won because more people 1) thought that party had the better values (ie. traditional) 2) thought that party was stronger on national defense.”
You are absolutely correct. People THOUGHT the republicans had better values and was stronger on national defense. Turns out they were dead wrong.
There are more investigations, indictments and guilty please coming from the republican party right now, than I can remember.
Strong defense would be supplying our troops with body armor and madatory armor for Humvees. Defense would be ready in case of an emergency like Katrina.
The republicans really screwed the pooch in both of these areas. America THOUGHT wrong.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:50 pmThats right Ryan, in fact, it is the foundation of all such corrupt governments. I have written several posts that deal how the Bush admin has leveraged the same tactics as the Nazi party, to stifle dissent, wage war, change the laws, (Just look sometime at the similarities between Bushes “Patriot Act”, and Hitler’s “Enabling Act”)
Morons like Tatreau, peabrains who call the light dark, and the dark light, who call black white, and white black, are the scummy little minions who have always supported evil tyrants and rulers. They are the mindless drones, the morally bankrupt automatons who goosestep to their masters call. They blindly sit back and say, sure, the Emperor is wearing a fine set of new clothes, can’t you see it?
I for one am not going to sit back, and let them turn America into a murderous regime of totalitarian dictators, who lock men up without cause or writ, murder wantonly, and use their reactionary laws to commit treason to all we stand for.
Like I said, I know a Nazi pig when I smell one.
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“The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist.”
Winston Churchill
November 30th, 2005 at 3:52 pmNovember 21, 1943
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Bush’s public relations push comes at a tipping point in the Iraq debate. A majority of Americans want troops home in 2006 and former supporters of the war in Congress like Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) agree.
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November 30th, 2005 at 3:53 pmClearly, O’Reilly takes some perverse satisfaction from the loathing most of us feel for him. I’m old enough to remember Joseph McCarthy, to whom O’Reilly bears an uncanny resemblance. It’s curious how they both emit the same snarling, creepy, self-righteous vibe.
Ironically, O’Reilly may serve to remind us of what our own Hitlerian domestic fascism looks and smells like.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:54 pmBut you have to admit Ryan, “Sheisskopfs” like Tatreau learned their lessons well from their Nazi fathers.
Just like Nazis and every other corrupt evil regime, they learned that they simply need to call those of us who choose to question the bloodshed they commit in our names, traitors, and supporters of the enemy.
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“Naturally, the common people don’t want war, but they can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders.
Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and endangering the country.
It works the same in every country.â€
Reichsmarschall Herman Goering
At the Nuremberg Trials
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Yea, they learned their dirty little trick well, and in the words of Samuel L. Jackson “I hope they rot in hell”.
November 30th, 2005 at 3:58 pmGiac, you seem like a thinker. Look at some of the collected evidence on exit polling and on Diebold machine hacking. I suggest you spend sometime here http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm and here: http://blackboxvoting.com/s9/
Your comments about ‘exit polls are not accurate’ seems only to apply to the George W. Bush /Dielbold era of American politics. Occam’s razor anyone? http://www.tompaine.com/print/kerry_won.php
November 30th, 2005 at 4:07 pmRyan-
OOH! Mighty Hermaphroditzo is getting a little steamed. OOH! I wonder if she’s going to stomp her tiny little feet and throw a felafel at me. Of course she’ll have to find me first. :)
And IRI must be asking to get his health insurance working if he dares to cross Iraq Vet. How do you think he’ll look from head to toe in bandages when Iraq Vet takes care of business.
But seriously, it really pisses me off when the Representative who works for the district I live in
gets constantly slammed in the media and the media ( with the exception of Olbermann and Stewart) don’t do enough for people like you, me and the rest of us to get a objective perspective from the other side.
That’s why TV news sucks.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:15 pmIndeed, those who spoke most strongly against Hitler were the liberals and the liberal wing of the Republican Party against the abuse of the Right Wing of the period. A course in hisorty wouldn’t hurt Bill!!
Comment by Jim Hansen
Indeed. They spoke out but not because of Hitler’s atrocities or grand scheme for Europe but because he was a threat to Stalin and the Russian Red’s grand scheme for world conquest. Henry Ford, Lindberg and the Kennedy clan may not have liked Jews (who does really?)but the reason they supported Hitler was a clear and correct choice between two evils. FDR made a mistake (?) when he sided with Stalin (over 30 million murdered)and at the same time guaranteed the deaths of those 6 million Jews in Nazi occupied territory. Someone less “progressive” than FDR would have cut a deal with Hitler to stop his murders of innocents and divided up Europe.
FDR is rotting in hell right now and it serves him right because I could be sitting on the beach in Francofornia today sipping an 85 Château Margaux had he not been a communist stooge.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:16 pmGiac, you can look here, if you are really stat minded. The facts are that the Germans use exit polls regularly and they typically are less than 0.3% inaccurate (instead of the 6.7% swing that Ohio seems to show – here: http://www.organizationaldynamics.upenn.edu/center/get.cgi?item=exitpollp ). US foreign policy has been driven by trust in the past as exhibited in exit polls in the 2004 Ukranian election. Come back and comment when you have some facts of your own…
November 30th, 2005 at 4:18 pmClearly, O’Reilly takes some perverse satisfaction from the loathing most of us feel for him. I’m old enough to remember Joseph McCarthy, to whom O’Reilly bears an uncanny resemblance. It’s curious how they both emit the same snarling, creepy, self-righteous vibe.
Ironically, O’Reilly may serve to remind us of what our own Hitlerian domestic fascism looks and smells like.
Comment by Thomas Patton
McCarthy must have just missed your parents. Too bad.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:18 pm#212
It has been nearly impossible to check the “up and up” of the Ohio Diebold machines because Diebold will not allow anyone to audit their code for “proprietary” reasons. Bullsh!t. They have something to hide. Besides, any equipment or system involved in any U.S. elections should be completely transparent-for all to see.
Exit polling notoriously inaccurate? What world are you living in? Exit polls have been NOTORIOUSLY ACCURATE until the age of Bush. You are simply wrong.
Kenneth Blackwell has done more to stall, obstruct and undermine, the post election investigations of voter fraud in Ohio. He was most certainly involved in the corruption that has since grown to national proportions. He, too, had something to hide or he would have gladly cooperated. He should be indicted for election fraud.
I live in a more up-scale republican district. It took me 2 MINUTES to vote. But then again, Diebold hasn’t infected this area yet. No need to: it consistently votes republican year in and year out.
You can’t simply “brush off” these issues as heresay or bogus claims. They happened, and it is recorded. Read the damn Conyers report already, and then get back to us.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:20 pmMighty Aphrodite wrote: “…Self-loathing, guilt tripping progs – why is there NO EXODUS out of this wonderful country if the system is so (fill in the blank): vile, unfair, racist, sexist, homophobic?”
Response: As a member of the select committee, it is imperative to have at our reserve, a complete and thorough list of all US residents entering and departing our continental borders. I have spent many hours examining all related data concerning the ever-increasing exodus of our best and brightest citizens.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:21 pmWhile we would rather stem this trend, we must however conclude that there is indeed an exodus. It may not be a popular topic of conversation in many home quarters, it is, and I assure you, a serious topic of conversation in many boardrooms.
I-RIGHT-I
Given that your debating skills are still lacking, and that you refuse to prove your own claims that you are older, wiser and more intelligent than I, would you consider either accepting the challenge (and don’t worry about my lack of skill, if it’s that bad and you completely whip me, you will just have proved that I am not worthy) or shutting up.
I didn’t think so. You always seem to make claims that you can’t prove. Just like your administration masters.
At least I still have my own free-will rather than just being a combination of a public laughing stock and a photocopier. (I would have said Parrot, but that is unfair on parrots who seem to have some intelligence)
Z.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:25 pmI-RIGHT-I said ### McCarthy must have just missed your parents. Too bad. ###
And there you have it. The NAZI PIG sheds his slithery skin.
Man that stuff just sells itself, don’t it?
November 30th, 2005 at 4:27 pmWorfeus…
“…may not have liked Jews (who does really?)” – I-Right-I
You can’t make this shit up. Even my worst attempts at satire just can’t keep up with some of their comments.
Z.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:29 pm#288 – Paulie, Show me some evidence…but if that’s too “top secret” to share, would you ask them to take a boatload (or ten) of ACLU’ers, self-important entertainment types and university “professors”!!How bright can they be when they are SOOO easily replaced???
November 30th, 2005 at 4:36 pmIRI-
If it wasn’t for FDR, we wouldn’t have helped to end WWII and defeat Hitler, Prescott Bush’s boy. Also, the depression would have lasted for decades.
Give me a break. You have no respect for true American history.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:36 pmMighty Mouth-#232
How can there be a post #288, when Paulie posted #228 and you replied on #232? Wow, it must have taken you awhile to graduate for kindergarten.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:40 pm#190 – “Mighty–Aphrodite
November 30th, 2005 at 4:50 pmExplain to me how this war, where it has been proven that no links to al-Qaeda, no WMD, is preserving the country? – Matt O.”
*****Dear Matt, You’ll be alot better off when you expand your intellectual horizons beyond the narrow fences of Think Pessimism. Read Peter Bergen’s “Holy War, Inc.” Bergen is just one author who discusses the backbone of Osama and jihad evil, famed pediatrician, Al Zawahiri. In a closed society such as Saddam’s Iraq, it is telling that Zawahiri and others received extensive medical treatment in Bagdhad. Pay attention here, Matt. We know Saddam had WMD’s – because he USED THEM – on the Kurds, Iranians, and probably most important to you sensitive PETA types, dogs. It is logical to assume he still had WMD’s as he had demonstrated the willingness to use them. Perhaps after Syria is forced to turn over everything Saddam trucked out (along with tons of cash, thanks to the altruistic UN) you will be gracious enough to admit you were incorrect (and gullible). As for preseving the country – how many hits has the US taken since we went into Afghanistan? The correct answer is: MERCIFUL GOD – NONE!!! I guess that it’s difficult for those virgin seeking murderers to be in two places at the same time.
#224
“Henry Ford, Lindberg and the Kennedy clan may not have liked Jews (who does really?)”
You never cease to thoroughly amaze me with you racist atittude.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:54 pm#236, actually, it’s only ‘left-wing non religous jews’ – you know, the ones with the yellow star on their left arms. The others are all right by him.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:58 pmMightyHermaphrodite,
Zawahiri was in the Kurdish autonomous region, not Saddam’s controlled territory. Wow, you sure are a stupid propagandist.
November 30th, 2005 at 4:59 pm“Show me some evidence…but if that’s too “top secret†to share, would you ask them to take a boatload (or ten) of ACLU’ers, self-important entertainment types and university “professorsâ€!!”MightyHermaphrodite
How about self important conservative lawyers who think they know everything, but can’t even argue a legal case without looking like an inept boob (that’s you babbie doll).
You’re SUCH AN IDIOT.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:00 pmDid Mr. O’Reilly take…umm…. grade ten history? It was the governments of the U.K., Canada, and the United States, among others, that permitted Hitler to take Sudenetland. And why has he never been adequately punished for spewing these terrible statements? Bill O’Reilly is synonymous with the word “pinhead”.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:01 pmMA, you’re not getting it. Hussein had WMDs. The operative word is “had”. George H.W. Bush (Smart Bush) started the process of wiping them out. Bill Clinton finished that job. By the time George W. Bush (Stupid Bush) came into office, Hussein was basically a de-fanged viper…capable of producing venom, but sorely lacking in the capability of spreading it anywhere.
I have to admit…in early 2003, I was all for an invasion of Iraq. I mean, Hussein was sitting there is WMD’s and nuclear weapons, and the bastard had just helped bin Laden in his attack on America. When I found out that none of that was true, I got angry…and I haven’t calmed down much. I don’t like being conned, and I refuse to let Stupid Bush do that to me again.
Tell me, MA, because I’m really trying to understand…how does it feel to be conned, to have the wool pulled over your eyes, and actually enjoy the feeling? How do you justify acutally rooting for the con artist that sold America on this war? And why weren’t all those soldiers, and weapons, and money, sent to Afghanistan to tear that country apart to find the people who actually attacked America? Please help me understand the whole neo-con spin on this!
November 30th, 2005 at 5:01 pm“Pay attention here, Matt. We know Saddam had WMD’s – because he USED THEM – on the Kurds, Iranians, and probably most important to you sensitive PETA types, dogs. It is logical to assume he still had WMD’s as he had demonstrated the willingness to use them.”MightyHermaphrodite
Actually the IIAE wasn’t convinced he had them, because they knew they had mostly destroyed them. Your claim is so retardedly foolish.
As for why he had them in the first place? Because RUMSFELD SOLD THEM AND GRANTED HIM PERMISSION TO USE THEM.
And while we’re on the topic, the US used WMDs last week, so by your standards the UN should be invading our country.
You’re such a partisan fool, and your idiot opinions better fit a middle school debate class…
November 30th, 2005 at 5:02 pmI think Reilly and his comrades are great neo-nazi propagandists. The new Hitler, Bush, and the new Nazi Party, the Republican Party and already in power. I hope in 2006, when more Republicans have suffered the fate of Randy Cunningham of San Diego, the people will get the chance for a legal regime change in the US, with a Democratic house and senate.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:03 pm“Henry Ford, Lindberg and the Kennedy clan may not have liked Jews (who does really?)â€
You never cease to thoroughly amaze me with you racist atittude.
Comment by SpudgeBoy
I know. I’m pretty good at it aren’t I?
November 30th, 2005 at 5:03 pmMarcWW
MightyHermaphrodite is part of the Zionist NeoCon set of traitors who don’t really care as long as palestinian families aren’t sent money from iraq. She doesn’t care about the iraqi or american people – her loyalties are to israel.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:03 pm“I know. I’m pretty good at it aren’t I?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I ”
Actually you’re really bad at it, because good racists aren’t so blatantly retarded…
Come on, calling the chinese the ‘chimpanese’, is just pathetic…
But what more should one expect from a homophobic closeted gay/pedophile republican who’s still single and 35. You’re as creepy as Michael Jackson, and a lot less likable.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:05 pmGraeme , actually that is pretty accurate.
But truthfully, the people truly responsible for the rise of Adolph Hitler, were the German people themselves.
The German people who turned a blind eye, and a deaf ear to the cries of Hitlers political prisoners, and to his “pre-emptive” war against Poland, and the Germans who sat outside of Treblinka, and Buchenwald, and said, “Jews, really? We thought they were burning rubbish”
November 30th, 2005 at 5:07 pmUh, Ryan, I think IRI is actually 37.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:07 pmSee little sturmtroopers like I-WRONG-I, and Aphrodite, will never learn the historical lessons that have been taught from every civilation known to man.
The real enemy, the enemy who can hurt us, will not come from without, but from within…
November 30th, 2005 at 5:08 pm“Zawahiri was in the Kurdish autonomous region, not Saddam’s controlled territory. Wow, you sure are a stupid propagandist.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:11 pmComment by RyANNE”
*****Ryanne continues, “And my friend Zawahiri would had let me know if he were going to Bagdhad for better medical care.” Poor RyANNe, you are a “useful idiot”.
I remember I poem that has a line saying something like (and I’m paraphrasing, because I don’t remember exactly), “Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it”. GWB, by my understanding, studied history at Yale. Did he actually learn anything? Was he doing shots, or snorting coke during class, and his dad paying for passing grades? This President gives every indication that he has learned nothing, and he is not interested in learning anything else.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:12 pmWe all know that B.O. is just part of the Pro Bushco Advertising Fox News Network. His comments shouldn’t suprise anyone, though his motives with Katie should be under suspect. I can’t really see how his reference to Hitler is realative to this Bushco invented war; though I don’t live in Europe so I can’t say how much of it Saddam had taken over before this all started.
What we really need to do is get these “Professional Poloticians” (AKA Professional Liars) out and real people in office! We would be better off with someone that has more in common with the majority of our population than these greedy rich ba$@#ds in office now!
I am going to throw my hat in for 2008 now before everyone gets onboard!
November 30th, 2005 at 5:13 pm“Ryanne continues, “And my friend Zawahiri would had let me know if he were going to Bagdhad for better medical care.†Poor RyANNe, you are a “useful idiotâ€.
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
We you’re an idiot, but clearly you serve no purpose…
Other than showing everyone how inept republicans are at EVERYTHING they try, especially the propaganda…
So when Al Qaeda was the republican dog, you say you were fond of them – not surprised, many in the mossad have always like terrorism as long as it suits their needs…
November 30th, 2005 at 5:15 pmActually MarcWW, it was George Santayana who said it, and you got it pretty damn close, and it is pretty damned pertinent to this discussion.
Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.
– George Santayana
November 30th, 2005 at 5:16 pmSee it is not bombs, bullets, terrorists or traitors who can damage the fabric of democracy.
It is those, who would use the privileges of power, to rip away at that fabric, a piece here, a piece there, a freedom here, a liberty there, until all that is left, is a totalitarian, goose-stepping, self worshipping communistic regime of mono-theocratic monastic demigods.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:18 pm“Perhaps after Syria is forced to turn over everything Saddam trucked out (along with tons of cash, thanks to the altruistic UN) you will be gracious enough to admit you were incorrect (and gullible).” MightyCognitiveDisconnect
You say saddam had USED WMDs, and yet when confronted with losing power he moves the WMDs out of the country instead of defending himself?
Bahaha, that’s the most fringe tinfoil hat lunatic thing you’ve said – and boy, you’ve said some doozies! You’re just trying to find an excuse to fight another enemy of israel you lying cow.
Oh, and while we’re on WMDs, what about the VX Nerve gas that Brewster Jennings caught being shipped through Turkey to Israel to set up Saddam – and STOPPED? You know, the one that Israel helped coordinate, and which so pissed off the NeoCons that they attacked Plame in order to destroy the front company?
You’re such an obvious hack israeli zionist! Go back to your country, and stop pretending to be an american, it’s just embarrassing you traitor!
November 30th, 2005 at 5:19 pm“Tell me, MA, because I’m really trying to understand…how does it feel to be conned, to have the wool pulled over your eyes, and actually enjoy the feeling? How do you justify acutally rooting for the con artist that sold America on this war?” – MarcWW
November 30th, 2005 at 5:19 pm****Marc – ask Bill and Hillary – they were convinced and tried to convince you, too. Apparently, you didn’t believe them (Dems do lack military credibility so that’s understandable). You “claim” you believed too – but not until George Bush told you?? What rock were you napping under??? If President Clinton attacked Iraq and Afghanistan with the ferocity he should have, I would have been 100% in support of him. He had the balls, he was just to busy juggling them.
“Marc – ask Bill and Hillary – they were convinced and tried to convince you, too. Apparently, you didn’t believe them (Dems do lack military credibility so that’s understandable). You “claim†you believed too – but not until George Bush told you?? What rock were you napping under??? If President Clinton attacked Iraq and Afghanistan with the ferocity he should have, I would have been 100% in support of him. He had the balls, he was just to busy juggling them.
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
Well, they were gullible enough to trust that the NeoCon Zionist spies like Feith weren’t fabricating evidence, which apparently is what you mossad types do best when threatened…
Why are you such a traitor to american values that as you say gave you such a good life?
November 30th, 2005 at 5:21 pmI have something more to add. Listen up Mighty aphrodite: Spain and Britain. What do these two countries have in common? Well, two things actually: 1) they were both involved in the invasion of Iraq, and 2) they were both attacked by none other than Al-Qaeda. The only reason the terrorists haven’t attacked the United States is because they were driven out of Afghanistan, (for a while at least). Maybe if we didn’t give Osama a two month head-start, we could have caught that bastard.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:25 pmPS: Almost all of the WMDs Saddam once possessed, were given to him by another evil of the 20th century: the Reagan Administration.
### If President Clinton attacked Iraq and Afghanistan with the ferocity he should have, I would have been 100% in support of him ###
Little trailerpark doorstops like you are ALWAYS ready to support war AphroFrigty.
Man has always been able to kill, since we first crawled out on this big blue marble. Finding people who will kill, and wage or support war, is not the problem. We have plenty of you.
What we need is people who are brave enough, to live in a world where we might be hurt, and not lash out speading blood and horror on the face of the planet, just to keep there chickenshit fat lazy security mom assess safe.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:26 pmMightyHermaphrodite,
An initial pentagon report has already shown that the Israeli spy Feith was coaxing intelligence in order to justify attacking iraq. Why must you continue with these debunked lies of yours?
I know you wish to protect your israeli homeland, but all of this spying and lying just makes you guys look like the bad guys. It just feeds the suspicion of reasonable people in the middle east – justifiably so unfortunately…
November 30th, 2005 at 5:28 pmAnd let me remind all you good ole lil hash slinging right winged sturmtroopers out there who want to tell us how BAD everything WILL be if we pull out.
YOUR THE KNUCKLEHEADS WHO GOT EVERYTHING WRONG ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WENT IN.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:29 pmI have to admit…in early 2003, I was all for an invasion of Iraq. I mean, Hussein was sitting there is WMD’s and nuclear weapons, and the bastard had just helped bin Laden in his attack on America.
Comment by MarcWW
Nobody said he has nukes Marc. And if he didn’t have gas and toxins then what did he kill the kurds with? Nobody said he helped Bin Laden but you’d have to be pretty stupid to rule out the possibility that he knew a few terrorists and would help them. He was sending money and making a big show of it when he “helped” the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.
Do you want the spin? Here it is….we needed a good reason to put the worlds most feared military in the middle of radical Islam. Now we’re there, you’re still alive and every top thug (with the exception of the Iranians) think twice about supporting the jihadists. Even Syria is starting to toe the line. George did the right thing. If he hadn’t we would probably be faced with the necessity of killing 10 million Muslims just to get their attention.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:29 pmUm, MA, you’re not getting the point. I’ll accept blame for not stating it clearly, and try again.
Bill Clinton participated in enforcing the UN’s “No Fly Zone” in Iraq. He used force in Iraq when it became necessary, but no more force than he had to…following the exact same principle that his Republican predecessor used. Afghanistan never posed a direct threat to American interests while Clinton was president, so he had no reason to attack them.
After 9/11, Iraq still posed no direct threat to American interests, nor did they assist the terrorists that attacked America in any way. However, Bush and company explicitly stated otherwise, and used that as justification for this war. They’ve been proven wrong in the meantime, and the evidence suggests (and the majority of American now believe, according to recent polls) that Bush KNEW his arguments were wrong before the invasion, but did it anyway.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:30 pm“If President Clinton attacked Iraq and Afghanistan with the ferocity he should have, I would have been 100% in support of him” MightyHermaphrodite
And yet he attacked Kosovo, and if I recall you and your fellow republican fascists belittled him constantly for doing so. And Clinton DID float the idea of invading Afghanistan, and the TRAITOR republicans said now, because they didn’t want to hand Clinton yet another WAR VICTORY.
So what you ‘claim’ is clearly inconsistent with your psychotic fascist republican representatives, so it don’t mean crap you stupid cow!
November 30th, 2005 at 5:30 pmNow what’s that old saying?
Oh yea;
“Fool me once, shame on…you..
Fool me twice…..shame on…..er.uh.
can’t git fooled again”
November 30th, 2005 at 5:31 pmYOUR THE KNUCKLEHEADS WHO GOT EVERYTHING WRONG ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WENT IN.
Comment by WORFEUS
Short memory. You are the ones that got it wrong. Tens of thousands of American body bags, quagmire, blah, blah.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:31 pmAnd yet he attacked Kosovo, and if I recall you and your fellow republican fascists belittled him constantly for doing so.
Comment by Ryan “I’m Evil” Neat
Dumbass Donks got in that war on the wrong side. Now we’re fighting the pukes we tried to help. We killed Christians to save Muslims. Yep, old BJ Clinton sure has a legacy.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:33 pmActually, if we continue on with your timetable, another 4 years will bring those 10,000 body bags genius.
As for Quagmire, it was your Vice President that first used the quote Einstein.
“I think it is also very important for him to know when not to commit U.S. military force. And it’s my view that the President got it right both times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the quagmire inside Iraq.â€
Richard Cheney, April 29, 1991
November 30th, 2005 at 5:34 pm“And if he didn’t have gas and toxins then what did he kill the kurds with? Nobody said he helped Bin Laden but you’d have to be pretty stupid to rule out the possibility that he knew a few terrorists and would help them. He was sending money and making a big show of it when he “helped†the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.” MizzClosetedRepublicanWhacko
Actually those had already been stripped earlier, that’s what the CONSERVATIVE american weapons inspectors said.
As for the Bin Laden help, actually you republican whackos claim this all the time, so you’re contradicting your fellow republican trolls as LIARS?
I’d have to agree with that assessment, and clearly the only HONEST thing you’ve ever written there miss closet case…
November 30th, 2005 at 5:35 pmLike I said, these idiots, like I-WRONG-I sell our argument for us.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:36 pm#259 – Good point Graeme – but why stop when you were on a roll?? Neither Spain or Britain (in their quest to remain PC) instituted an office similar to Homeland Security – which is surprising, given the level of domestic terror each has had to contend with.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:36 pm“Dumbass Donks got in that war on the wrong side. Now we’re fighting the pukes we tried to help. We killed Christians to save Muslims. Yep, old BJ Clinton sure has a legacy.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I”
Bahaha, you’re such a RETARD. We saved HUMAN BEINGS WHO WERE BEING OPPRESSED. What religion someone is not relevant, except to fascist idiots like you…
You and MightyHermaphrodite talk all of the time about liberals not being tolerant of ‘religion’, and how funny, neither of you are tolerant of ISLAM! So what you’re both saying is that religious intolerance is the problem you have with democrats after all, because clearly you’re both religiously intolerant bigots!
November 30th, 2005 at 5:37 pm“Good point Graeme – but why stop when you were on a roll?? Neither Spain or Britain (in their quest to remain PC) instituted an office similar to Homeland Security – which is surprising, given the level of domestic terror each has had to contend with.
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Neither Spain nor Brittain are fascist states, but clearly you have no problem with fascism or the removal of civil rights to fight an organization that YOU created out of ineptitude…
STUPID COW!
November 30th, 2005 at 5:38 pmAnd by the way I-WRONG-I, what exactly is the definition of Quagmire?
Websters defines it as,
1. A Prediciment
2. A Dilemma
3. A Quandry
4. A sticky situation
But hey, those aren’t adjectives to describe our situation in Iraq, right?
We got it wrong genius?
November 30th, 2005 at 5:39 pmThe administration (State of the Union Address, anyone?) explicitly stated that Iraq was in the process of developing nuclear weapons. The inference was that if he didn’t have them yet, he would soon. Turns out that was a lie. Not a misunderstanding, a lie.
The administration (Dick Cheney) explicitly stated that the Iraq Intelligence Agency had verifiable contacts with Al Qeida before the attacks on America. Turns out to not be true.
Nobody said he helped Bin Laden but you’d have to be pretty stupid to rule out the possibility that he knew a few terrorists and would help them. — IRI
Is that “possibiliy” worth over 2100 American lives? We do not risk soldiers lives on a possibility! We risk it on a certainty! Afghanistan was most certainly sheltering the animals that attacked America. Why isn’t that country the focus of our military action?
Call me a stupid true American patriot if you will, but I firmly believe that if our military, the greatest military in the world, was turned loose on Afghanistan with the clear directive to find bin Laden, and given every resource to do so, he would’ve been found by now. Bushie cheated all of us out of justice by the attack on Iraq.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:39 pm#202 – Vardon – I read your laborious tract – you sound just as pessimestic as an old Red Prof I had. You forgot to mention that the time “bought by Chamberlain” also purchased time for Hitler. An oversight, I’m sure. Your opinions are interesting, but they have a tinge of….hmmmm….defeatism. Thanks for sharing!
November 30th, 2005 at 5:41 pm“Nobody said he had nukes” http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/bush/cheneymeetthepress.htm
Your pants are on fire again I-RightArmRaised-I
November 30th, 2005 at 5:44 pmYou have just voiced the dirty little secret the republican war machine does not want you to know, MarcWW.
Truth is, Bin Laden wasn’t caught for reasons not yet revealed. But we know, and have known all along, where he is.
Since we gave him our 2 month warning that we were coming into Afghanastan, he headed into the disputed region, between India and Pakistan, where Alqeada has always used as a headquarters.
See the US military is not permitted into this region without escort, and then only by pulling many strings. It is a dense, jungle region, where satallite photos are hard to utilize, and constant fighting turmoil make it very difficult to launch a mission.
Also it’s important to remember, that both India and Pakistan have real armies, real weapons, real fighter jets, and real NUKES.
So the big bad republicans, instead going in after the man who was responsible for 911, just instead went after the easiest little country they could, that still had Arabs in it.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:44 pm” I read your laborious tract – you sound just as pessimestic as an old Red Prof I had. You forgot to mention that the time “bought by Chamberlain†also purchased time for Hitler. An oversight, I’m sure. Your opinions are interesting, but they have a tinge of….hmmmm….defeatism. Thanks for sharing!
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Your pollyanna view of the world is apparently the same as that criminal spy Feith who was caught passing secrets to Israel, and fabricating intelligence reports. The critique against him was that he was ‘pessimistic averse’ – which you seem to share. Ironic you bring up the word Hitler, you being a NeoCon Fascist and all…
Are you guys afraid of any pessimism that’s grounded in facts, or just pessimism in general? You know a little pessimism is both healthy and normal in someone’s psyche that isn’t mentally disturbed – so how long have you had this illness? As long as Feith?
November 30th, 2005 at 5:49 pm#277 – your grasp of WWII history seems weak MA. The UK was not on a war footing until after Munich. Hitler was already on a war footing – the UK used the time to close the gap. Don’t oversimplify. Democracies don’t start wars … at least they never used to.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:49 pmAnd yet, Worfeus, I have to believe that post-9/11, and pre-Iraq invasion, both India and Pakistan would have allowed the US in there. For a short time, the whole world, including India and Pakistan, was on our side, except for a few nut cases.
Post-Iraq invasion? India and Pakistan, while still technically on our side, are probably very nervous about our intentions. So am I.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:50 pmMightyHermaphrodite,
And yet Ironically you aren’t averse to pessimism as I think of it. You are pessimistic that all liberals and progressives are ‘commies’. You are pessimistic that arabs can’t have democracy without american oppression. You are pessimistic that israel can’t solve it’s problems without subverting american government. And you’re pessimistic that the poor will steal all of your money if you don’t stop them.
You’re plenty pessimistic it appears, but your pessimism seems to be grounded in irrational paranoia, while you ignore the REAL problems of the world. This kind of psychotic avoidance I bet is something you’ve always suffered from….
November 30th, 2005 at 5:52 pmMarcWW,
What’s really sad is that Afghanistan is getting worse by the day because of how badly bushco botched the job. Election results were disappointing during the last election. Lawlessness and oppression of women is on the rise. And illegal drugs are a bigger problem now than ever!
Bush is like King Midas, except everything he touches turns into a pile of turds!
November 30th, 2005 at 5:54 pmActually, if we continue on with your timetable, another 4 years will bring those 10,000 body bags genius.
As for Quagmire, it was your Vice President that first used the quote Einstein.
“I think it is also very important for him to know when not to commit U.S. military force. And it’s my view that the President got it right both times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the quagmire inside Iraq.â€
Richard Cheney, April 29, 1991
Comment by WORFEUS
How does 2000 dead in five years equate to 10,000 dead in ten? Do you think the terrorists are getting better at what they do? I don’t think there will be any more terrorists to kill in Iraq in four years, especially considering what the Iraqi military is going to do to the Sunni Triangle as soon as American Leftists get out of the picture.
Oh, and about that quote. I think he was wrong and I think he knew he was wrong but he was backing George Sr.. I’m not a military genius but giving that bastard ten years to regroup was in my not so humble opinion, a great tactical error that Bill Clinton should have corrected.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:54 pmMizzWrong, I know you don’t like science, but math clearly is outside of your realm of skills as well. What do you do, pickup garbage for a living?
The death toll is not based on “5 years” you moron, we haven’t been in Iraq that long.
Wow, it’s like watching dumb and dumber the republican sequel!
November 30th, 2005 at 5:57 pmSo, IRI, you’re saying Cheney is a capable liar. For once, I agree with you.
November 30th, 2005 at 5:57 pmHey MightyHermaphrodite,
Your silence on the whole MizzWrong saying we needed to have supported Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo sounds eerily like a complicitous Nazi supporting the Ethnic Cleansing of Jews. Are you sure your family actually went through the Holocaust? Because I’m not getting anything that indicates you even know what that even was…
Your silence on this matter indicates you agree with MizzWrong, that ethnic cleansing is a reasonable act against practitioners of islam. At least we know 100% that you’re anti-semitic along with being a fascist idiot. YOU STUPID COW!
November 30th, 2005 at 5:59 pmYea I-WRONG-I, your math skills are apparently as poor as your memory.
The war in Iraq, started in 2003 Einstein.
And as for the Insurgents getting better at killing us?
According to the Pentagon, last year we lost an average of 1 soldier per day.
Now we loose 4. You do the math.
Oh yea, thats right, you apparently don’t do math.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:00 pmI would say Cheney is a ‘compulsive’ liar. His lies are transparent for anyone with their brain switched on, so republicans who continue to believe him have automatically passed the idiot test. That’s why it’s so easy for me to label them ;)
November 30th, 2005 at 6:00 pmSaddam’s war-making capability in 2001, once again….
November 30th, 2005 at 6:00 pmhttp://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm
#279:
Don’t forget lots and lots of oil to steal. That’s a big one.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:00 pmYea I could not respond to that one fast enogh Ryan.
This is what they call, BushMath……
No wonder they all think they are right…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:01 pmWorfeus,
Math and science are of the devil, that’s what the Opus Dei cheat sheets tell the whackos…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:01 pmOh, yea, silly me.
That damn Galileo…….good thing they arrested him, and all that fancy science crap….
November 30th, 2005 at 6:03 pmWorfeus,
Yeah I know, I much prefer the stories in the bible of the flying dragons, and the ability to knock the stars from the heavens onto the ground. That seems much more rational to me…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:04 pmOr the part where the earth’s rotation stopped completely for an entire day – that’s another really good ‘bible fact’ that I just can’t get enough of…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:05 pmMan, got quiet in here all of a sudden.
I guess there off stratagizing about how to turn that lemon I-WRONG-I posted, into lemonade.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:06 pmThat really does talk to the essence of their delusions, though doesn’t it?
These guys aren’t intersted in facts, figures, hard evidence. They “shoot from the hip”, and “go with the gut”.
The rightwing did not wage war based on fact, they wage it based on emotion. That “feel good” feeling when their little tyrant stood on the site of the Twin Towers, and read his lines.
They thought, “oh he’s sooo brave”(whats brave about holding a bullhorn surrounded by 100 secret service agents?) and “ohhh, God’s with him”.
If these guys had there way, we would be back in the dark ages by the end of the year. (were gettin close now)
November 30th, 2005 at 6:10 pmWorfeus,
That’s because they’re all part of the same propaganda unit. Most likely coordinated from the free republic based on the particular set of ‘misinformation’ they come with.
This is an intentional campaign of propaganda, deception, distraction and noise by the reichwing fascist machine and their retarded whoooores…
They’re not americans, they’re retarded freaks. Just like the fat stupid republican guy who got in hackett’s face on camera recently and when challenged ran away like the little wuss that they all are. It’s typical insecure behavior of people who aren’t well socialized and resort to ‘bullying’ behavior because they don’t have proper social tools to deal with conflict. I hit them with the only thing they know, which is force…
The common thread is abusive childhoods. It’s why they’re so shattered and incompete as human beings. They’re not really even adults from a ’skills’ and ’socialization’ perspective. They’re stunted by their early traumas, and unfortunately they’ll probably pass on those failures to their children…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:22 pmYeah, the “optimistic” thing is a bit manic. I thinks it’s also a euphamism for many other deceptive practices.
But I’m afraid you missed it, Mighty:
Americans don’t like muslims, zionists, or Saddam. So quit trying to associate anti-war sentiment with treason.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:25 pmThe very fact that Bill O’Reilly exists is an indictment of the media, and the people he represents.
It’s amazing to watch them go down, desperate and pathetic and somehow surprised that they couldn’t get away with the Big Lie strategy forever.
But nobody has been able to make it last forever.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:28 pmStudent,
FauxTV is not the ‘media’, it’s a corparate/state intertwined fascist propaganda mouthpiece. Rove is Goebbels, and OLeilly is happy to spread the lies and smears for a riches and fame. He’s a classic example of daniel webster, except daniel had a soul…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:34 pmAnd hey, I-WASWRONG-I,
If your still there, licking your asswhooin wounds, muse on this FACT.
There are currently 212,000 Iraqi Army personnel, who have completed basic training, are outfitted and equiped.
Here let me say that again.
TWO HUNDRED AND TWELVE THOUSAND TROOPS, EQUIPED AND ARMED
Now,
Question;
How many Iraqi army personnel does it take to defeat an insurgency?
Answer;
ZERO. They ARE the insurgency stupid.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:36 pmKatie’s legs are gorgeous, by the way. How ’bout a shorter skirt next time?
November 30th, 2005 at 6:42 pmKatie who?
November 30th, 2005 at 6:43 pmOh is that Couric up there? Oh yea, it is.
Lil Miss “navy seals are cool” herself
November 30th, 2005 at 6:44 pmLancelot,
Couric is such a retarded b!tch, that I can’t stand to watch her. I’ve seen better reporting on high school closed circuit reporting from the school drama club! Watching her and the other MSM inepts is like watching the episode of southpark where they did the ’sexy morning news report’. It’s just amateurish and absolutely pathetic…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:47 pmHey I-WASSOOOWRONG-I,
Since you arbitrarily dismissed that first Cheney quote, perhaps this one you will find a little harder to dismiss.
See everytime we say the war was wrong, you guys say, “well, would you rather that Saddam Hussein still be in power?”.
So lets re-examine what Vice-marschall Cheney said about that very subject.
____________________________________________________
“and the question in my mind is how many additional
American casualties is Saddam worth?
And the answer is not very damned many.â€
-Richard Cheney, August, 1992
November 30th, 2005 at 6:53 pm_____________________________________________________
And let me predict your haggard retort,
“that was before911″, right?
And “everything changedafter 911″, right?
The only thing that changed on 911, was YOU.
You got scared, and you let your fear, cloud your judgment.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:55 pm#306 – WArface – What a cute little joke!!! Sounds like the world’s thinnest book, “French War Heroes”. I’m off to start dinner for my darling little Mini-Aphrodite’s and their handsome dad, Mr. Aphrodite.
P.S. Sponge – Your Mom is so nice!!! Being a Republican and believing in God – we have quite a bit in common!!! She thought maybe you accused me of poisoning my children with soap because SHE admitted to leaving it in your big mouth a little toooo long. I explained my method of just swiping their little toothbrush over the Palmolive and then “brushing” their teeth. Never had to do that twice to the same little angel. She apologized for your filthy mouth but I said, “There, there….after a young boy reaches a certain age he’s responsible for his own behaviour.”
November 30th, 2005 at 7:05 pmMightyHermaphrodite, You once said that pimple faced moron Hindrocket was handsome, clearly you have ‘lowered expectations’ that would make a dog barf.
And isn’t it ironic that because of liberals you can open your hateful mouth in public without men being able to slap your teeth out of it the way they can in CONSERVATIVE countries….
Your ‘cognitive dissonance’ is always freakishly amazing…
And we know you beat and ignore your children, you don’t poison them. You made that clear the other night when you described your description of your bad parenting around tantrums.
Did you read that reference I sent you? Clearly you’re as inept at parenting as you are at law and politics. Please don’t pass on your dysfunction and hatred to your children. There are enough zionist rightwinger terrorists and traitors in this country without your spawn adding to the mix.
STUPID COW!
November 30th, 2005 at 7:14 pmHitler Sympathizers?
Like the Chimperor’s Grandfater?
November 30th, 2005 at 7:15 pm“What a cute little joke!!! Sounds like the world’s thinnest book, “French War Heroesâ€.”MightIgnorant
Being that you’re an austrian jew, and recently arrived at our country, clearly you’re unaware of all of the french who gave their lives in resistence to the german nazis, and in the effort to save jews like your mother. This SLANDER is both unfit, and uncivilized. And surely you’re ignorant of the fact that without the french, we’d still be the provence of england. They were the ONLY reason we were able to defeat the english, and without Lafayette and the french navy who fought and died for us, we’d not be the democracy that we are.
You are a HATEFUL AND RETARDED FOOL YOU STUPID COW!
November 30th, 2005 at 7:16 pmLordStarFyre,
Prescott Bush the GOOD REPUBLICAN was a FUNDER of hitler. So now MightyHermaphrodite spits on her mother’s grave and becomes a Nazi. Nice work you STUPID COW!
November 30th, 2005 at 7:17 pmIf it wasn’t for the French financing, and the Dutch arms smuggling, the US wouldn’t exist!
November 30th, 2005 at 7:25 pm“I’m off to start dinner for my darling little Mini-Aphrodite’s and their handsome dad, Mr. Aphrodite.” MightyLiar
You said you live in California and work as a lawyer. It’s barely 4:00 in California, so either you’re lying about where you live, what you do for a living, or EVERYTHING, which is more likely.
Once again, MightyLiar caught in a lie of her own creation. Just like last night when you claimed to have never talked about Delay, only to have me point you to the thread where you had. LYING STUPID COW!
November 30th, 2005 at 7:29 pmSo she left early (no justice being required) and went to cook a potroast… let’s keep this on an issue based plane, huh? I’m AntiFascist, but personal attacks are pointless…
November 30th, 2005 at 7:31 pmFace it, she, and I-WASSOODAMNEDWRONG-I are just out of ammunition.
Notice she did not address any of the facts that I and so many others have posted in the last hour. Just lashed out with a random, smug, republican personal attack.
They remind me of that family on SNL, you know, the two married couples that sit around telling each other how smart they are, but get everything wrong?
November 30th, 2005 at 7:36 pmBill Clinton,s move in Kosovo was humanitarian in nature He did not back the wrong side. George Bush’s policies in Iraq are supporting fundamentalist shiites to construct a government. This appears to be another quag in the mire. The German general staff believed that Hitler was bordering on insanity in continuing the war that was lost after the Barbarossa campaign in Russia. The revolt of certain officers to remove Hitler is now a matter of history. Those involved in the attempt were hanged with piano wire. There has been criticism from high ranking military officers in service and retired leading up to pre-emptive invasion and on the conduct of the war. Able Danger, The Downingstreet memo, the goals of the New American Century and Carlyle group should be fully revealed to the American people to show how we got into this phony war. An independent press has an obligation to do this. Our military leaders must square with the American people on the conduct of the debacle in Iraq. Not to do so will approximate their effort in Viet Nam to keep fighting knowing full well the futility of conducting a losing cause. THE FOG OF WAR!
November 30th, 2005 at 7:41 pmMrWizard,
I would love to, but the fascists always bring up something idiotic and nonsensical. They’re annoying whackos that will spout and respout the same debunked lies, just like they’re taught to in hitler school.
Worfeus,
They never HAD ammunition, it was always blanks. They were just too retarded to know it. Heck, she once claimed that the Yacht tax had destroyed the yachting industry and that it was Clinton who did it. The yachting industry overbuilt had already collapsed under the depression of BushI, the tax was actually passed by BushI, and it was repealed in the BEGINNING of Clinton’s administration by the democratic congress. It’s just one of the MANY whacko nonsense and unresearched claims that she makes. It’s really just a pathetic cry for attention. Clearly the other Mr/Mizz Hermaphrodite isn’t giving her enough of what she needs, so she comes her to find authentic men – instead of those fat stupid doughy things that republican values seem to grow…
November 30th, 2005 at 7:43 pmSounds like the world’s thinnest book, “French War Heroes”.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 30, 2005 @ 7:05 pm
This is a completely unwarranted attack on the French who, by the way, are allies and have been since before WWII. I thought you didn’t like letting allies down.
It is also puzzling this singling out of the French when the Netherlands (to name one) surrendered after an even shorter campaign.
The French Resistance fought the Nazi in the only way a people can when confronted with superior manpower and hardware: Guerrilla warfare. Sabotage. Civil resistance and desobedience in the face of the ruthless occupation.
Many French were caught and died in concentration camps, or tortured at the hands of the Nazi police. Many opposed the nazi treatment of the Jews and helped to hide them -those caught also paid with their lives.
The fight against the Nazi was heroic given the lopsided nature of the conflict. Your sophomoric attempt at making light of the French is pathetic.
November 30th, 2005 at 7:46 pmMrWizard,
She used to call us ‘think communist’, until I pointed out to her that I was a successful capitalist, while she was an exploited prolitariat, making your arguments insane and hysterical. Now she calls us think pessimist, and ironically everything she says about liberals is completely pessimistic. It’s the sort of obssesssion and manic responses one would expect from someone with schizophrenia. Most likely she inherited from her mother, based on the thinks she’s quoted her mother as having said… It does tend to run in families…
November 30th, 2005 at 7:47 pmGregor,
Well Said. MightyHermaphrodite is psychotic though, so her pathetic nature is something she can’t actually be aware of. She’s not grounded and cognitive enough to recognize her own illness. It’s typical of schizophrenics. She’s constructed an alternate reality, and when the truth comes in, she just moves the goal post of the reality and re-establishes her lying frame. She’s just a sick stupid cow.
November 30th, 2005 at 7:49 pmRyan,
I had enough of this French-bashing… It drives me up the wall.
The people who criticise the French in such a way sound like little kids who have been disappointed by an older, wiser sibling. You know how rabid someone who has been disappointed can sound.
I have not been able to otherwise explain to myself the anti-French stance, and the snubbing of everything and anything French, because it is “elitist”, or “cultured”
November 30th, 2005 at 7:54 pmGregor,
You hit the nail on the head. The inferiority complex is a big part of the republican psyche. That’s why the throw around ‘elitist’ all of the time. What they really mean is ’smarter’ and ‘more cultured’, and it drives them up a wall.
I’ve spent a lot of time in france, and while the french can be absolutely INFURIATING, they can be some of the most charming, delightful, generous and warm people in the world. They are a engaging mix of all of those traits – but then again they ARE cultured…
And for a relatively small country country population and economics wise, they have a profoundly large footprint internationally. And THAT’s what annoys our retarded cowboys in this country. They are actually better able to leverage what should be an inferior position into an effective checkmate…
November 30th, 2005 at 8:04 pm“Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile and more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world. By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.” USA Banker’s Magazine, August 25 1924
“Our first priority must always be the security of our nation… We will win this war; we’ll protect our homeland”
- George Bush, 1/29/2002
“An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic security and protect our homeland. ”
November 30th, 2005 at 8:11 pm- Adolph Hitler, 1932
#92 Anthony, I disagree on only one point. Make it a case instead of a six-pack.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:16 pmGregor that was well said.
She, like all the smug repugs, like to call the French cowards, because they don’t fit the good-ole shitkickin frogblastin, pheasentshootin inbredneck, that they love so much.
And of course, like you said, the fact the massivly overwhelmed French Army, who had about the same chance of defeating the mighty German Blitkreig as the Iraqi Army did in defeating our own version of “shock and awe”, surrendered as the Iraqi’s did to us, makes them weak and sissies in the good ole boy eye.
In fact, the so now famous “Pollock jokes” were begun due to a an attack by Col. Mastalerz Mounted Cavalrym, the 18th Lancers who drew terrible losses from German armour and their 20mm automatic cannons, on the Pomeranian front, Sept 1st, 1939.
The fact is the Poles fought with what they had, and the deadnecks laugh at them for being, “stupid” as they put it, and the French, because they were cowards. Of course with that logic, they would be calling the French stupid, and the French would be the butt of all those jokes, instead of the Poles.
Boggles the mind.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:25 pmThe most ironic news of the day. Iraqi citizens have asked Saddam to be allowed to run for president!
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.asp?page=2005\121\story_1-12-2005_pg4_14
Good job republicans, you’ve so screwed up the occupation that the iraqis prefer a dictator over american troops! That kind of ineptitude is clearly a NeoCon republican specific trait! It’s the same sort of checked out, irresponsible and inept attitude that’s rampant with the retardatrolls on this site!
November 30th, 2005 at 8:36 pmFor the last time:
November 30th, 2005 at 8:36 pmBill O’Reilly is a draft dodger!
169 – If the 2004 election was honest, why did the Government Accountability Office (GAO) find that there were widespread problems not only in Ohio, but in several other states as well? These problems included voter purges, distribution of voting machines, and machine “malfunctions”.
November 30th, 2005 at 8:46 pmthe today show is on nbc, which is owned by the same company as msnbc, which, according to bill’s media blacklist on his website, we’re supposed to be boycotting?
November 30th, 2005 at 8:57 pm#333, Dave, you typed it first — I was going to make the same comment — MSNBC is “bad” but NBC is “good”?? See even BO won’t honor his own boycott, if the price is right. As for the Today show — I seldom watch it because it is mostly inane, and before work, I’d rather watch C-Span — so I shouldn’t be surprised that they would invite one of the Fox jerks on for an interview, but I am disappointed, nonetheless, that they would entertain the a–hole.
November 30th, 2005 at 9:18 pmI’m off to start dinner for my darling little Mini-Aphrodite’s and their handsome dad, Mr. Aphrodite.
– mightyaphrodite
Hey, MA, where were you in basic grade school English class? Plurals don’t contain apostrophies. ONLY possessives and contractions do. Go read Eats, Shoots, and Leaves.
November 30th, 2005 at 9:20 pmGregor and Ryan, I’m with you on the France bashing. So those Frenchmen who fought the Germans and died during the Occupation of 1940-1944 – were they patriots or insurgents? Terrorists or freedom fighters? After all there was a French government in charge of 2/3 of the country after 1940, so they must have been insurgents against the installed regime, right? Bad guys, right? History written by the winners…
November 30th, 2005 at 9:48 pmIn light of the French Bashing from MA, I would like to post something a friend of mine wrote. Please permit me.
LETTER FROM A FRENCH IMMIGRANT
I came to America quite some time ago.
My trip to America was planned for well over a year.
Everyone I ever knew in France loved and respected America.
Although I was a single female, my countrymen thought I would be a good ambassador.
I arrived in America on board the French frigate “Isere”.
I didn’t travel light. I came with 214 crates.
I took me four months to settle into my permanent residence.
I was welcomed with open arms by Americans everywhere.
In fact, I was never “naturalized”, I was immediately adopted by America almost unanimously.
I am the only Ambassador to have had millions upon millions of Americans and foreign nationals come to visit me.
I have never once denied an audience with a visitor.
I was inspired by America, and in turn, tried to inspire for America.
Soon, I was no longer the French Ambassador, I was the American “Greeter”.
My face became the “Face of America.” I was so proud to represent America’s Liberty.
I have stood tall and unwavering for 121 years. It was easy, America had my back.
The torch I held was but a reflection of the “light” America gave the world.
I am saddened today.
You forget my ancestry when you revile my former countrymen.
They thought enough of you to send me. Not a small task, all things considered.
You thought enough of me to let me represent you.
If I could have but one wish granted. I would wish for my pedestal to be turned 180 degrees.
I want to see your face when I ask “What has changed?”
I know I haven’t changed. I was designed that way.
You see, France had a statement to make to you when they made me.
France saw Truth, Liberty, Hope, Justice,Compassion and countless other values in you.
By creating me out of respect for those qualities, They made me unchangeable….permanent, hoping those values would never waver.
I was sent before the “Great War” at the turn of last century, so don’t confuse me with a gift of gratitude.
I came before, as a gift of monumental respect.
I was Frederic Auguste Bartholdi’s life work, but it was the people of France who decided where I should reside.
I want to hold this torch for quite some time to come.
All I need, is for you to shine again.
written by J.C. Rich January 01, 2005
It really hits me to see how far the world opinion of our great country has slipped as a result of this Administration.
Thank you for allowing me to post.
November 30th, 2005 at 9:50 pmMr. Bill strikes again!!! Katie looked like a schoolgirl fumbling for her
November 30th, 2005 at 9:54 pmhomework. Poor Katie.
Dear Bill, #1 you suck as usual, #2 Stop holding up your soft pink hands on TV and showing your delicate, fleshy palms to the camera-It’s really gross!.. and the experts say it means you’re gay…
November 30th, 2005 at 9:58 pmRYAN SAID ##### Do you mean like how “Cheney’s office, Rumsfeld aides and others argued “that the president of the United States is all-powerful, that as commander in chief the president of the United States can do anything he damn well pleases,†Wilkerson said.†####
Yes Ryan, thats EXACTLY what I mean.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:18 pmYou know actually it’s kinda funny, see the French women would wait on the balcony’s,waving their skirts at the German halftracks and troop carriers, and the German soldiers.
Then, from under their skirts, wine bottles filled with kerosene, gasoline, anything that would burn, and rags stuffed in the end, they would light them, and toss them from the balconies, onto the unsuspecting German troops, burning them alive in the steel coffins, turned into ovens, and they would cheer with glee.
Of course, they were the bad, bad Germans, and were the good, good Americans.
So when we do bad things, it’s ok. Cause were the good guys. Right?
No, I guess it’s not really funny is it?
November 30th, 2005 at 10:25 pmMighty–
Just like Billy O says, you need proof (that Iraq trucked the WMD into Syria).
Secondly, I am for the war in Afghanistan. THAT is the REAL war on terrorism.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:29 pm#316 -”Being that you’re an austrian jew, and recently arrived at our country, clearly you’re unaware of all of the french who gave their lives in resistence to the german nazis, and in the effort to save jews like your mother.” – RyANNe
***** How ever do you manage getting through life when you are factually wrong at least 50% of time? My mother was an immigrant, I was fortunate enough to be born in this wonderful country. The numbers of the French resistance are highly inflated by….the FRENCH!
MHQ: Military History Quarterly (Winter 1998), Douglas Porch has an interesting article on pp. 99-107.
“In France, “the belief that popular resistance to the German occupation was general, effective, and necessary became accepted as an article of faith…. In fact, the myth of the military effectiveness of the French Resistance was precisely that — a myth!… In the end, the Resistance served as a political movement for preparing the assumption of power by Charles de Gaulle.”
If as many French men and women who claimed to be in the Resistance actually were, France wouldn’t have fallen so far, so fast. Those who couldn’t run hunkered down or hid. Those who helped poor Jews will forever be honored. But a HUGE number of Jews (see the history of Lyon) were shown to their death through the COLLABORATION of their vile, cowardly “neighbours”.
You are correct about the intervention of the French in our Revolution – I think that was their last honourable international endeavor.
#319 -”You said you live in California and work as a lawyer. It’s barely 4:00 in California, so either you’re lying about where you live, what you do for a living, or EVERYTHING, which is more likely.” – RyANNe
November 30th, 2005 at 10:30 pm*****Living in beautiful San Diego – it is a TREAT when court adjourns early!!!!
P.S. You mentioned my “support” for Tom Delay – where I said “I am not a huge supporter of Tom Delay”?.. you might want to get some help with your apparent comprehension difficulty. You didn’t find my “support” for Bill Frist, did you?? There’s nothing worse that being pitied – you are pitiful!
#344 – “Secondly, I am for the war in Afghanistan. THAT is the REAL war on terrorism.”
November 30th, 2005 at 10:40 pmComment by Matt O. — November 30, 2005 @ 10:29 pm
***** Matt, I don’t disagree with you about Afghanistan, however, I see this as a multi-front global war. I view Islamic terrorists like I do bacteria or viruses – they are opportunistic and wreak their havoc in susceptible arenas. On this point we may have to agree to disagree.
“P.S. You mentioned my “support†for Tom Delay – where I said “I am not a huge supporter of Tom Delayâ€?”
You distancing yourself for when he goes down? You sure did attack us back when his indictment first was handed down.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:48 pmHmmm- I think a reminder of Godwin’s Law is in order, Bill.
There is a statistical probability in all discussions that sooner or later one party will bring up Hitler; once that is done, the person bringing up the name has lost his argument.
Too bad, Bill- and stop looking up Katie’s skirt!
November 30th, 2005 at 10:51 pmSponge – I attacked the LEGAL argument and the appearance of personal vendetta against Ronnie Earle. If you don’t like a law – change it. Can’t find my Bill Frist “Support Statement” – it must be somewhere!! Where did remedial RyANNe hide it???
November 30th, 2005 at 11:07 pm“Sponge – I attacked the LEGAL argument and the appearance of personal vendetta against Ronnie Earle. If you don’t like a law – change it. Can’t find my Bill Frist “Support Statement†– it must be somewhere!! Where did remedial RyANNe hide it???”
Dear stupid bitch,
I can’t figure out what the fvck that is supposed to mean. This time post in an English style of language that I can understand. I don’t speak dumbfvck.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:14 pmThis is why I don’t watch the Today show Katie Couric is trash…not a journalist. Fvck bill oreilly and the nazi hand me down horse he rode in on.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:31 pm“Living in beautiful San Diego – it is a TREAT when court adjourns early!!!!”MightyHermaphrodite
Why do I doubt this… There’s no way you’re involved in court unless you’re cleaning the toilets there. You aren’t competent enough to practice law…
“P.S. You mentioned my “support†for Tom Delay – where I said “I am not a huge supporter of Tom Delayâ€?.. you might want to get some help with your apparent comprehension difficulty. You didn’t find my “support†for Bill Frist, did you?? There’s nothing worse that being pitied – you are pitiful!”
And yet you claimed to have NEVER DISCUSSED HIM, which is CLEARLY A LIE, by your own posting. And of course, while you began with the statement you said above, you continued to ATTACK EARLE with lies and smears, which IS supporting Delay you retarded whore. You’re a typical republican propaganda hack – you STUPID COW.
I proved you wrong, because you DID attack those who were investigating delay, proving once again that you’re a LYING HACK… It is YOU who are pitiful.
November 30th, 2005 at 11:57 pm” I attacked the LEGAL argument and the appearance of personal vendetta against Ronnie Earle. If you don’t like a law – change it. Can’t find my Bill Frist “Support Statement†– it must be somewhere!! Where did remedial RyANNe hide it???
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
You said you didn’t support Delay or Frist, and I pointed out that you did support delay by attacking earle. I PROVED YOU ARE A LIAR ONCE AGAIN!
And your argument that most politicians were democrats was lame and lying. While democrats had a majority in texas for years, they did NOT have a 5 to 1 majority, which is what it would take for there to be a bias for republicans.
Your HACK and HYSTERICAL and PESSIMISTIC view of earle is the typical sort of PESSIMISM I expect out of retard like you.
December 1st, 2005 at 12:01 amSpudge,
She ‘claims’ to be a litigator, but I’ve spent a LOT of time with litigator over the years. She’s neither articulate or skilled enough to be one. She barely writes coherent sentences, and this is NEVER the mark of a litigator. They tend to be clear, concise and very direct to the point. Following this b!tch is like trying to read braille through a glass pane.
December 1st, 2005 at 12:03 am“Matt, I don’t disagree with you about Afghanistan, however, I see this as a multi-front global war. I view Islamic terrorists like I do bacteria or viruses – they are opportunistic and wreak their havoc in susceptible arenas. On this point we may have to agree to disagree.
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
MightyMoron,
Wars are between nations, not against individuals or ‘groups’. It’s impossible to imagine you ever served in the military, because your inability to grasp this simply military concept clearly shows you are an idiot.
As for your view of terrorists, funny, that’s EXACTLY how you come across. Clearly they represent a case of self hate for you…
December 1st, 2005 at 12:05 am“Living in beautiful San Diego – it is a TREAT when court adjourns early!!!!” MightyHermaphrodite
It’s not typical practice of trial attornies to ‘go home’ because court adjourned early, they tend to go to the office (home or otherwise) and do work on the ongoing case(s) they have. This statement just proves to me that you’re NOT an attorney, but a poser fake. But your complete lack of understanding on basic legal cases had already proven that to everyone.
December 1st, 2005 at 12:10 amThe numbers of the French resistance are highly inflated by… the FRENCH!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 30, 2005 @ 10:30 pm
Mighty Aphrodite,
If the Douglas Porch quote is the best you can do, then you are grappling at straws. I know where you got it, because I can google too:
http://intellit.muskingum.edu/wwii_folder/wwiieurope_folder/wwiieurfrn-z.html
Of course the Résistance was militarily ineffectual from a conventional standpoint: It was a guerrilla movement, with a large civil component that emphasised civil desobedience and sabotage.
The main goal of a guerrilla movement is not to deliver a defeat on the battle field -althought it has happened- but to make the country ungovernable, and to overall disrupt the efforts of the occupier. The fight is as much political as it is military.
That does not take anything away from the efforts of the French patriots who were actively involved in ousting the Germans from their country: The Résistance did not have planes, tanks, or high caliber machines guns like the formidable German army did.
The Résistance coordinated labour strikes within France, as well as attacks by the Maquisards on German supply lines and harrassment attacks on garrisons. They were also involved in supplying intelligence to the Ally forces; intelligence that was essential for the success of D-Day.
The Résistance coordinated the general insurrection in France after it was obvious the invasion of Normandy was a success, and helped the allied troops during their advance towards Paris.
“Those who helped poor Jews will forever be honored. But a HUGE number of Jews (see the history of Lyon) were shown to their death through the COLLABORATION of their vile, cowardly ‘neighbours’.”
As was done throughout Europe -not to excuse the French collaborators, but to point out that the collaborators were as despicable in France, as they were in Polland, Hungary, or Romania. And you cannot use the sins of the fathers to judge the sons.
“You are correct about the intervention of the French in our Revolution – I think that was their last honourable international endeavor.”
I must understand you mean military endeavour. I could argue that, but I’d rather focus on constructive French contributions to the world, like the Médecins sans Frontières, Reporters san Frontières, or the large network of Alliance Françaises around the world whose goal is to make the French culture known, and to act as good will embassadors -you might not think much of this effort, but it contributes to the good image France enjoys abroad. Smart move if you ask me.
And finally, your obsession with bashing the French is more and more puzzling. Yes, the Vichy regime was nothing more than a vile collaborationist lot, but the French people largely opposed the occupiers in whatever degree they could.
December 1st, 2005 at 12:23 am“Living in beautiful San Diego – it is a TREAT when court adjourns early!!!!” MightyHermaphrodite
And yet if we look at the approximate ‘california’ time for when the idiot posts we see:
7:40
8:40
9:00
11:30
1:30
2:00
2:30
4:00
Exactly when did you participate in court today mizz liar? And what exactly were you doing, typing on the laptop while the judge was talking?
Just what I expected, another professional liar republican hack propagandist. No wonder you are so inept at law, clearly you’re not a lawyer, and based on your postings, certainly not a woman. You’re just another personality for that MizzWrong to distract, diffuse and generally act like the ahole he clearly is…
December 1st, 2005 at 12:32 amGregor,
That’s how you know mightyhermphrodite is not a woman. The preoccupation of the reichwing is based on a psychological insecurity called anxious masculinity. Peace and the french are both seen as the ‘feminine’ that these people fear actually reflects them.
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/05/03/int05011.html
The reason it seems irrational to you, is because it is. They’re nuts.
December 1st, 2005 at 12:40 amGood point Graeme – but why stop when you were on a roll?? Neither Spain or Britain (in their quest to remain PC) instituted an office similar to Homeland Security – which is surprising, given the level of domestic terror each has had to contend with.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 30, 2005 @ 5:36 pm
I cannot believe you actually typed this. “level of domestic terror” -you probably are talking about the London tube bombings earlier this year, and about the Madrid train bombings last year.
Both countries have been dealing with “terrorists” for longer than you care to remember: London labeled the IRA a “terrorist” organisation and treated the Irish with the same contempt they are treating the Iraqis now.
Successive Spanish governments have been dealing with the ETA -also labeled a “terrorist” organisation- for years, while treating the Basques like second-class citizens.
The fact that neither country has a Homeland Security department is not to remain PC -they simply do not need it, as they have learned to deal with separatist movements (aka “terrorists”) in other ways.
December 1st, 2005 at 12:51 amThe reason it seems irrational to you, is because it is. They’re nuts.
Comment by Ryan Neat — December 1, 2005 @ 12:40 am
Well, Mighty Aphrodite certainly seems a little irrational in her contempt for everything French.
What have the French done to her? Is it because the French government refused to go along with the invasion? Please. Like a kid throwing a tantrum.
And I thought the “Freedom Fries” congressman was a little immature.
December 1st, 2005 at 12:54 amGregor,
There are several ‘triggers’ for them, the french, commies, peace, and of course ISLAM….
They’re just pessimists about anything they don’t think fits their little conservative preconceptions, which ironically change more often than who they hate this week. Remember that Saddam, and AlQaeda were their buddies in the 80s and russia was their enemy. And 3 years ago, bush was saying the exact opposite.
To call republicans schizophrenic is an obvious and redundant statement.
December 1st, 2005 at 1:01 amGregor,
This entire group of trolls are PNAC/NeoCon/Zionists. MightyHermaphrodite, NED, MizzWrong, wwallace, they’re all the same group of folks that spout the zealot rhetoric of the PNAC TERRORISM that now inflicts the world. They’re irresponsible, irrational, hateful, stupid and evil. But because most of them have some degree of ‘education’, they’re deluded into believing they’re ’smart’. It’s really sad to see…
That’s why I hit them with the whole freerepublic thing. Those guys (especially powerline/hindrocket) are all PNAC stooges that haven’t had a creative or individual thought in their lives. Their little eichmans in the worst sense of that word.
My guess is that the pentagon is subsidizing some of these guys to go wreak havoc on the blogs, since that’s the only place that consistently and successfully debunks the lies, mythology and utter retarded nonsense of republican idiots…
December 1st, 2005 at 1:05 amGregor,
I forgot to also bring home the correlation that the suicide terrorists that hit the world trade center were also ‘educated’, but obviously retarded fools… It seems to be indicative of the folks who are drawn to radical and religiously zealous organizations like PNAC and Al Qaeda.
December 1st, 2005 at 1:06 amI forgot to also bring home the correlation that the suicide terrorists that hit the world trade center were also ‘educated’, but obviously retarded fools
Comment by Ryan Neat — December 1, 2005 @ 1:06 am
That’s true -the suicide bombers in the Middle East are not from poor, disenfranchised families but largely from middle class backgrounds.
The Saudis that carried out the WTC attacks were definitely not uneducated but they were seriously misguided.
Coincidentaly, the same is true for Bin Laden: Very wealthy, and overly self-righteous.
December 1st, 2005 at 1:28 am“Coincidentaly, the same is true for Bin Laden: Very wealthy, and overly self-righteous.
Comment by Gregor Samsa ”
Exactly, just like the republican trolls. Misguided, delusional, self-righteous and absolutely nuts.
December 1st, 2005 at 1:40 amThe Saudis that carried out the WTC attacks were definitely not uneducated but they were seriously misguided.
…
Exactly, just like the republican trolls. Misguided, delusional, self-righteous and absolutely nuts.
Whereas Democratic candidates for the 2008 presidential election are all running on platforms of withdrawing the military from the middle east. All of it. Saudi Arabia and all. Right ?
If not trust the man when he says al Qaeda doesn’t care who you elect if you continue the same foreign policy you will remain a target for attacks.
You can talk about misguided Republicans all you like but if nobody anwhere is suggesting they are going to do anything different you can replace the word “Republicans” with “Politicians”.
September 11 happened before the Iraq invasion if you had forgotten. The previous 4 attacks happend under a Democrat leadership.
December 1st, 2005 at 1:54 amSeptember 11 happened before the Iraq invasion if you had forgotten. The previous 4 attacks happend under a Democrat leadership.
Comment by Tank — December 1, 2005 @ 1:54 am
Can you please clarify your point here?
Are you saying the US should invade and occupy more countries in the Middle East?
Or that the next administration should be Republican? Or both?
December 1st, 2005 at 1:57 amhitler was a bad guy? Thank god we have bill o’reilly to spread his infinite wisdom!
December 1st, 2005 at 2:11 amYeah Tank,
what ARE you trying to say. i’m guessing english is not your native tongue, because what you write is often not completely coherent.
December 1st, 2005 at 2:13 amWhat galls me most about O’Reilly is his ability to continue to be a lying propaganda mouthpiece for this administration. His basic discourse on this issue is to smear anyone who disagrees with this administration. Why NBC seems to think his perspective on this issue is worthy of their time is beyond me. Could it be they are spineless and do not feel it necessary to provide the other perspecitve on issues. After all that other network says its “fair and balanced.” Yah give me a break Rupert!
I suggest two courses of action with O’Reilly; 1) Do not watch his show and, 2) Defend the truth when the situation arises. We all have chances at work, school, etc. We are going to have to take this country back, because we ultimately can decide who will represent us in the political arena.
O’Reilly is choosing to smear a politician (Murtha) that unlike those he wishes to defend in this administration, has honarably served in the military, and is willing to speak out in the best interest of the country. Get involved people its our only hope.
December 1st, 2005 at 2:17 amConsidering I only mentioned withdrawing troops you could assume not.
My point was that Regardless of how insane Republicans are your only alternative is to elect Democrats. Neither party has a policy of withdrawing troops from the middle east or ceasing support for Israel against Palestine which is why al Qaeda has been attacking the US since 1994.
This other idiot here thinks it is useful to ask Democrats if they would have handled the Iraq invasion the same way. That would be handy to know in the case of Saddam somehow getting back in charge but otherwise not.
Any of you planning on asking your representatives to cease support for Israel and withdraw troops from all middle eastern nations ?
If not quit complaining about Republicans giving you grief because you really don’t want it any other way. There hasn’t been any political scandal under the Bush Administration which compares to 9/11 and there won’t be under the next one. Except for another attack on US soil which kills thousands of civilians.
So maybe at some point in between selecting one of the 4872 Republican scandals to be outraged about today take a moment to check whether anyone else is going to do anything different for you.
December 1st, 2005 at 2:32 amAfter all it really doesn’t matter how corrupt Republicans are if you’re dead.
Why not pull the troops out? I mean the insurgency is in their “last throes” anyway. Right? Right? Are you listening Dick Cheney? Why do we need any troops against the “last throes” of a dying insurgency?
December 1st, 2005 at 3:03 amGee I guess O’Reilly’s latest BS really does hurt. By his logic this put us “liberals” in the same category with Bush’s grandfather who made alot of money doing business with Hitler. I’m sure he didn’t think Hitler was such a bad guy. How anybody can take anything that comes out of that idiots mouth serious is beyond me. His lies are so easily proven to be just that, lies, that it seems too easy. I am so sick of these lying slime balls and the total idiots that listen and believe their crap. They make me so mad I can’t even think straight, so I will leave it here.
December 1st, 2005 at 3:07 amGeez, I guess O’Reilly is the same as those people that, in WWII, rallied behind their leader (or Führer, as it is called in German) and and followed him blindly, believing everything he did and said, defending him all the way. O yeah, and weren’t those people proven wrong? Boy, where they proven wrong…
December 1st, 2005 at 5:24 amThere is a new tendency in the administration lately, to accuse the opposition of being involved in “revisionist history” while they are full time involved in “revising facts”. Bill O’Reilly’s words are just another example of this. They figure, if they repeat this so many times, people will lose track about who lied about the facts and manipulated intelligence around the policy.
In search of the underlying motive in his words, we should read them backwards by switching the subjects and the objects in his sentences, then we will see what the Hitler reference corresponds to and “who don’t get it”.
December 1st, 2005 at 8:17 amLet us not forget that the reason the appeasers made deals with Hitler is because public opinion in Britain was overwhelmingly against a second, catastrophic war with German. Having lost over a million men and women in the Great War, no one was all that eager to see a second generation sacrificed.
It seems to me that the United States government did not do much to stop Germany from invading Czechoslovakia in 1938 or Poland in 1939. It also did little to stop Germay from invading Holland, Belgium, France, Denmark, Luxembourg and Norway in 1940. Only in December, 1941, when Hitler declared war on the United States, did the U.S. government get “on side” with the anti-appeasers.
On the other hand, Canada, which is always the butt of O’Reilly’s criticism, went to war with Germany in 1939.
Maybe Bill is secretly regretful of American neutrality in 1939 and wants to become a Canadian?
December 1st, 2005 at 8:27 amHey wasn’t it Prescot Bush that supported Hitler until the FBI stopped him. Wasn’t it the presidents party that was reluctant to even get involved with what Hitler. Behaps Bill should borrow some of Rush’s medicine. It might settle him down a little.
December 1st, 2005 at 9:17 amTank is right. It tickles the hell out of me to hear Chimpy’s apologists go bonkers over the left- liberal- commie dems when the only thing that is happening is the centrist Republicans of the “realist” foreign policy persuasion, are trying to oust the neocons before too many people get pissed enough to notice; the elite don’t care how many of us die for their world vision. BTW we may reduce our forces but we ain’t leaving either, unless the neocons hold on to power until people here are in revolt.
December 1st, 2005 at 9:19 amClick here: The realist persuasion – The Boston Globe
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2005/11/06/the_realist_persuasion/?page=full
The sadest part of Bill O’Reilly is the publicity he gets for knowing so very little. He has made a living by dumbing down issues to their bare bones, thus appealing to those who are the least likely to take an educated look at any issue. As a Canadian, growing up in a society that never polarizes people for what their opinions are, I find Bill O’Reilly and his minions to be at the core of what ails the United States in these difficult times.
December 1st, 2005 at 9:48 amO’Reilly is actually the pin-head (and ultimate chickenhawk) who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. My 87 year old father is totally opposed to Bush and his war. He was in WWII for nearly 4 years and fought against Hitler’s armies in France and Germany!
December 1st, 2005 at 9:59 am43 uber alles.
December 1st, 2005 at 10:13 amMy 87 year old father is totally opposed to Bush and his war. He was in WWII for nearly 4 years and fought against Hitler’s armies in France and Germany!
Comment by Bill Drendel
So what?
December 1st, 2005 at 10:36 amHow many Iraqi army personnel does it take to defeat an insurgency?
Answer;
ZERO. They ARE the insurgency stupid.
Comment by WORFEUS
There’s no such thing as an insurgent in this war. Former Iraqi military were largely made up of Saddam’s Ba’athist Sunni thugs. That’s why we disbanded the military. They will soon be dead along with their families once the American forces pull back to the perimeter and allow the new Iraqi military to take control of the Sunni Triangle. POOF! PRESTO-CHANGO!….no more “insurgents”.
December 1st, 2005 at 10:40 amI love the humour (and truth) of many of these remarks but the grim reality here is that the nutcakes are running the show. Is this American karma playing itself out? Or just plain stupidity on the part of the American public? Or both? One thing is certain: our country is in deep trouble when the kindest thing that could be said of our leaders is that they are idiots.
December 1st, 2005 at 10:45 amA huge flaw of democracy is that 50% of everyone is of below avg. intelligence(a statistical truism), but 75% of everyone believe they are above average. Worse, more of the lower 50% are registered to vote and DO vote. Do the bright among us forget when election day is? –we made/let this happen.
December 1st, 2005 at 11:05 amHmmm… Based on facts the media continually side-steps, i’ve always been under the impression that Bush supporters were a more accurate parallel of those who are tolerable of Hitler.
Nice spin attempt O’Reilly. I’m sure it worked on the few idiots left who would support Bush even if he sacrificed their children to Moloch, or Eulogia the demented goddess of betrayal revered by Skull & Bonesmen.
December 1st, 2005 at 11:06 amBy the way Four T. Tray, voting is nice when you simply want to ‘feel like a useful and thankful citizen’, but in our day and age of electronic voting manipulations… it really doesn’t make a difference.
December 1st, 2005 at 11:09 amWeird, anyone else notice Bill’s lack of a Soul?….weird.
December 1st, 2005 at 11:11 amTouche,JPR
December 1st, 2005 at 11:14 amWell no offense intended or anything… Just making a point. While I still think we should excercise ‘our right to fill out a ballot’, we should know better than to believe we, at this time, actually have a right to ‘cast an effective vote’ which determines our leader.
December 1st, 2005 at 11:21 amTo help us Americans feel like our vote counts, our propaganda TV networks fire up ‘voting shows’ like ‘American Idol’, where America votes for the next super-star singer.
That takes our attention off the fact that our important vote never counted.
December 1st, 2005 at 11:25 amDo you think index finger inking combined with a reproduction of our slate of choice tatooed in barcode form on our person (I love cop talk) will ferret out fraud. Ahh…scap it–we’re doomed.
December 1st, 2005 at 12:04 pmWe’re just monkeys with car keys.
What does Billy O’ have in common with a set of car keys a mother jangles in front of a crying baby, 20-inch Sprees on a mini-van, and Paris Hilton? All are merely shiny objects of distraction. Poor man needs our help. I suggest all that have left/will leave a comment on this page use just a tiny more energy to go to Billy’s web site and send him a cheery greeting, something along the lines of “In the spirit of peace and goodwill, I wish you Happy Holidays.”
December 1st, 2005 at 12:05 pmAfter all, it’s both the Christian and secular thing to do.
(Then go to the Fox News site and order up yourself a dandy Bill O’Reilly holiday coffee mug! Mmmmmm…I love the smell of fresh brewed vitriol in the morning!)
So what?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 1, 2005 @ 10:36 am
You seem to be implying that you are in the military and that you are writing from Iraq by your deep knowledge of the Iraq war and it’s progress. How’s the weather?
Or are you just one more Chicken Hawk Coward® who supports a misrepresented war with the last drops of blood — of someone else?
Impress someone and put your money where your mouth is, coward. Join the military and fight bush boy’s noble cause or be a Republicoward and continue hiding behind your Dell, dude.
The 4-year 911 bush boy grace period is over. Your time is up… you failed.
bok bok Chicken Hawk
December 1st, 2005 at 12:29 pmHe’s so paid to say crap like that.. he needs that money to support his phone sex habit, so he’ll say anything..
December 1st, 2005 at 1:03 pm### There’s no such thing as an insurgent in this war. ###
Another wrongisim from I-WASSOOOOGODDAMNEDWRONGWASNT-I. We should add that to your hall of shame, with oldies but goodies like, “war is not a partisan issue”.
So if their are no insurgents in this war, why are we out everyday fighting the “insurgency”? And what are all those little insurgent running around for?
Man try not to speak I-WASSOOOOOGODDAMNEWRONGANDSTILLAMAINT-I. Maybe we can call someone for you.
And that was pretty lame, how you conveniently skipped over all the posts after you clearly pointed out that you don’t even know how long the war has been going on for.
If you are being paid to post in here, someone deserves their money back.
December 1st, 2005 at 1:33 pmI’m being paid to post here, but like the Bush deficit, I’m being financed in Chinese Yuan.
December 1st, 2005 at 1:49 pmWhy is anybody listening to such an UNEDUCATED, selfish, egomaniac, ODD, like Osama Bin’Reilley??, I know, I don’t.
December 1st, 2005 at 1:49 pmWeren’t Hitler’s followers guily of blind devotion to their leader…
December 1st, 2005 at 2:04 pmYou take this idiot too seriously.
Think of the guy as an entertaining embarrasement to the right wing lunatics running your country.
But perhaps its not so funny when these idiots are responsible for the deaths of thousands of American soldiers in a lost war all in the pursuit of profits for their masters.
December 1st, 2005 at 3:37 pmMaybe old Bill should remember whose relatives were actually working with Hitler and his people. It wasn’t American heros. No those nuts fell from Bush’s family tree. They must be the ones Bill is talking about saying Hitler wasn’t sucha a bad guy. After all, they made money off him and we all know how much that family loves making money.
December 1st, 2005 at 4:05 pmI have to admit, I couldn’t finish reading all of the posts here because after a while it just got old. I have so many things I could say right now, but most of it would just be more variation on a theme. What I would really like to do, as a lover of language and words, is criticize all of you, Democrats, Republicans, and everyone else, for your lack of wide vocabulary ranges. And it’s one thing to keep using words like stupid, idiot, moron, dumbass, etc., etc. I must say, though, I did expect that at least some of you would be socially aware enough not to use the word retarded as an insult. I learned not to do that in elementary school, for goodness’ sake, and that was a while ago. You all seem to be well into adulthood and quite capable of monitoring your own language. Some of you, not to name names, seem to enjoy monitoring others’ language as well, with toxins no less. And you claim to be such a good parent. That, among many other things I have read here, utterly disgusts me, but I have better things to do than rant at you, so I’ll stop now.
Kat
December 1st, 2005 at 4:47 pmThe Today Show are whores equally as low as O’Reilly though whores of a different variety.
December 1st, 2005 at 8:04 pmHm, Mister Goebels, oops O’Reilly, Do you really believe what you are talking about? If you believe in it, you must be very stupid man. :)
December 1st, 2005 at 8:23 pmScrew O’reilly. Shouldn’t he be somewhere sexually harrassing some young woman anyway??
December 1st, 2005 at 8:32 pmIt is true that there were three major factions in the US arguably supporting Hitler through pacifism:
–sincere pacifists who were horrifed by WWI, all of whom came around when they saw what time it was. Smedley Butler wanted a fundamental rethinking of warfighting and martial policy, and there were blacks (as with South Asians in the old BE) who asked wha we were doing freeing Europe from racism while protecting racism at home. These were not Hitler’s friends.
–Actual Nazi agents planted by the Nazi government.
–Americans sympathetic to Hitler, especially as a hammer of Bolshevism. Henry Ford for example saw no reason to stop supporting Hitler just because the war had started and later succesfully sued the Army Air Corps for damages after they bombed a Ford Panzer works!
But a Hitler comparison begs a Hitler. A centralizing fear-state relying on terror and conservative imitations of values, on some omnipresent enemy, to justify militarism for its own sake and wild capitalist rapine, and viciously attacking dissent. You know, like Cheney and O’Reilly. What sense does it make that Murtha is being paid by, is sympathetic to or doubts the (you must admit) extremely small* threat offered by, the terrorists?
(*be serious for a minute New Yorkers and pseudo-NYers and tell us how many feet of sidewalk Al Qaeda is ready to properly militarily conquer, then compare that to an unopposed Third Reich or Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere.)
December 1st, 2005 at 9:28 pmKat, nice Red Herring, but we’ve heard it all before.
This is a BLOG. People don’t spend hours writing fancy dissertations for your literary consumption.
This is rapid fire, and typos, grammatical errors, and yes, cliche’s are common.
Deal with it.
December 1st, 2005 at 9:57 pmKat,
December 2nd, 2005 at 12:33 amIt is not polite to say “retarded”. Labeling is an insult to all who suffer. Please use the term retard-o
Hey!
December 2nd, 2005 at 12:36 amDon’t you get it?
This is an act. He carefully crafts these inflammatory comments to gain notoriety, thus, more money.
You’re just paying his mortgage!
FC
HE HAS A CHIP IN HIS HEAD AND RATTLES ON LIKE MAD COW DISEASE AND LIKES TO TALK ABOUT NOTHING THAT MAKES SENSE AND THE PEOPLE THAT WATCH JERRY SPRINGER THRIVE ON O RIELY
HES LIKE THE ROMANS WHO THREW IN THE LIONS
SOME DAY HE MAY GET BITE IN THE ARSH AND SEE WHAT ITS LIKE TO EAT HIS OWN WORDS
MAYBE HES PISSED CUS NO PHONE SEX ANYMORE
Grandiose Type: delusions of inflated worth, power, knowledge, identity, or special relationship to a deity or famous person
Mixed Type: delusions characteristic of more than one of the above types but no one theme predominates
December 2nd, 2005 at 2:28 amBill O’Reilly..what a piece of work that is..anyone who thinks for a second this guy has any knowledge about the real world..well..think again..does the term idiot, ass backwards or liar come to mind…I shudder that there are people in the US and around the world that look up to and agree with this piece of garbage…Really quite shocking what you people allow on your national media outlets..the TODAY show?? Free publicity to spead his fascist agenda..what more can you ask for…just my thoughts, folks
Dave
December 2nd, 2005 at 3:37 amA Concerned Canadian in Calgary
Bill’s Right, the Dems did tollerate Hitler, looks who president now!
We have a fascist regime in this country.
December 2nd, 2005 at 8:54 amI wonder if Bill has ever study history if he had he would have known that the pin heads from WW 2 were the conservative Republican. But then people like Bill never did have a clue.
December 2nd, 2005 at 9:11 amI think Bill knows what he’s doing. He isn’t uneducated. On the contrary, he has consciously betrayed our nation. He is a scumbag filled with lies, manipulations and avoidance of facts.
At this point, he exists merely to keep the uninformed ignorant, and to help hardened idiots feel justified in their presumptuous views.
December 2nd, 2005 at 10:41 ami wonder if Oreilly masturbates on the phone when his grandma calls him?
December 2nd, 2005 at 12:01 pmwho cares what that bum has to say. he should be in prison as a sex offender anyways. so whats all the fuss about?
If you wanna impress me Bill……….Go to Iraq!
Upstate, NY mom of a brave soldier.
December 2nd, 2005 at 1:09 pm“…before hitler invaded.” What, Pearl Harbour?!? Doesn’t he know Belushi was kidding?
December 2nd, 2005 at 2:44 pmbill o’reilly should volunteer his services and enlist. he could at least peel potatoes. what a mouth.
December 2nd, 2005 at 5:53 pmWhy is that stupid lady wearing glasses.? She looks like an old bag. Why is bill talking to an old bag?
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:51 pmo’ reilly is a delusional faggot eunuch
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:27 pmIn response to message 416
No, Hitler did not invade the U.S. But he did invade France, and my grandmother got to live under Nazi rule because of it.
I don’t like war. But I agree with this point. Hitler couldn’t be reasoned with, and neither can al Qaeda.
Here’s to hoping we win.
December 3rd, 2005 at 10:13 pmWho is Bill O’Reilly? Never heard of him. Thank god.
December 4th, 2005 at 1:26 amHmmm, let’s see, is Murtha in Iraq NOW? No he isn’t. He has no clue… Murtha is a political hack PERIOD. The Generals on the ground say to stay until the job is finished. That means, enough Iraqi forces trained to fight for themselves. The Liberals voted for this war, have publically supported it, and they’ll live with their deicision, and it will get their asses handed to them in 06, and in 08. They can’t spin those votes, and quotes away, SORRYAH. In closing, I’d just like to say that, I found Hillary’s latest statement saying she was “mislead” too funny. She reminds of a kid that’s got caught smoking in the bathroom, “Hey it’s not my fault, the cigs were his…” Give me a break!! And John Kerry. Geese, he’s sure making a total ass out of himself lately.
December 4th, 2005 at 1:30 amBill is entitled to his opinion, and I am entitled to mine.
I think it’s strange that people must assume you HAD to fight in Vietnam or visit our troops in Iraq to have a valid point. Michael Moore never fought for this country, and he has popular opinions, too. When it comes down to it, are the opinions smart? Do they have a base?
Merry Christmas!
December 4th, 2005 at 4:03 amHey, leftists…Get a grip! O’Reilly’s entitled to his opinion , just as you are entitled to express your opinions via Che Guevara t-shirts, MoveOn.org petitions, Cindy Sheehan rallies and Michael Moore mockumentaries. In fact, given Bill’s high ratings and book sales, it appears that quite a few want to hear his views.
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Why are newspeople interviewing other newspeople? Isn’t this the height of insanity.
And the real smart part is statement about “These are the same people before Hitler invaded in WWII that were saying, “He’s not such a bad guy.—. Is he for real? Why doesn’t call him a child molester while he is at it.
How much of a bonus is O’Reilly getting from Bushco?
December 4th, 2005 at 5:44 pmRemarkably well thought out posts here. O’Reilly is a “eunuch”, “stupid”, “a sex offender”, “maturbates to his grandmother’s voice”… and on and on. What a bunch of high brows we have.
December 4th, 2005 at 6:25 pmThe very people who are comparing Murtha to the Hitler Era are the very same people who have constantly tried to suppress freedom of speech, backed cronyism, pushed nationalism, and is suppressing education to name a few. By the way, these are the very same traits that Hitler used in his fascist government. You do the math. These people may want to be careful in backing Bush, they may have to eat crow in the near future…and I’ll be the one in the kitchen cooking.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:02 pmlol…..u guys are losers…the right rules this country….take a back seat….lol
December 4th, 2005 at 11:39 pmRemember that our media is about entertainment and propaganda. They want us to buy cars and support whatever right wing agenda they have in mind. While O’Reilly leads the pack, this infestation and deformation of our broadcast airwaves are pervasive.
In other words The Today Show is part of it. It’s all one big slime festival where reality and truth are not what is important. Otherwise Bush and Cheney would be in jail and we would not be fed crap day in and day out by these media whores.
December 4th, 2005 at 11:57 pmHitler was largely a creation of the “west”. Fascists like W’s grandaddy, Prescott Bush ( aka “Hitler’s financial angel”) helped bankroll Hitler to power. Anti-semite Henry Ford’s portait hung over Hitler’s desk, and Hitler referred to Ford as his “inspiration”. And Hitler enjoyed support of other deranged fascists like Charles Lindburgh who thought we should have been fighting with Hitler, not against him. Republican Nazi-symp, Joe McCarthy helped expedite the import to the US of many Nazis – mainly scientists and spies – and sided with the nazi-war criminals and helped several get their sentences reduced or commuted. I think O’reilly fits the definition of ‘fascist’ perefectly.
December 5th, 2005 at 1:08 amIn response to O’Reilly’s inane statement that the people wanting us to get our of Iraq are the same ones who thought Hitler wasn’t such a bad guy, I noted in comment 379 that my own 87 year old father had served in WWII for nearly 4 years and fought against Hitler in France and Germany, to which I-RIGHT-I answered in comment 381, “So what?” Is this a representative attitude of those supporting the war in Iraq? They love war but apparently have no gratitude or respect for those actually serving in the military, not even those who put their young lives on the line for a long and harrowing 4 years–in a war that really was about freedom and democracy and the defense of our country.
December 5th, 2005 at 9:39 amAll I have to say is, “CUT HIS MIC!!”
December 5th, 2005 at 11:25 amOne thing can be said about O’Reilly and that is the fact that he is consistent. He is consistent a good little hate monger who enjoys Texas style democracy. You all know the type. Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand. He is a classical example of ignorance, fear and prejudices all walking hand in hand. We really do live in sad times when someone as shallow and void of substance and integrity like O’Reilly can be given public forums to criticize people of great depth and sacrifice like John Murtha. People like O’Reilly are largely a part of why this country now has such a “mob rules” type of mentality driving its political machine. Someone needs to take O’Reilly off the air because he is extremely biased and radically distorts everything while making sure that he always gets the last word in so that truth has no chance for being heard. George Warmonger Bush and his war profiteering war boss Cheney must really love O’Reilly as his brand of propaganda is some the very best vicious rich right wing spew that money can buy. Idiots like O’Reilly are why the general public has complete misconceptions about the meaning of the word “liberal†or “progressive†as it applies to politics. Its is not difficult to see that the Fox News Network is the equivalent of a state owned media controlled by a fascist regime and O’Reilly is their lying, truth distorting mouthpiece.
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January 9th, 2006 at 12:48 pm[...] In November of 2005 Bill went on the Today show and said: These pin-heads running around going, “Get out of Iraq now” don’t know what they are talking about. These are the same people before Hitler invaded in WWII that were saying, “He’s not such a bad guy.” They don’t get it. [...]
February 23rd, 2006 at 10:24 pm[...] Last November, when Jack Murtha was calling for an end to the war and a return of our troops, Bill O’Reilly appeared on the Today Show and bashed everyone who was wanting an end to the ware by saying: Its a disaster for our country if we don’t win the war. It’s a disaster for the world if we don’t win the war. These pin-heads running around going, “Get out of Iraq now†don’t know what they are talking about. These are the same people before Hitler invaded in WWII that were saying, “He’s not such a bad guy.†They don’t get it. [...]
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