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Bush Knew 10 Marines Had Died Prior To Rose Garden Remarks, Didn’t Mention It»

Yesterday, 10 Marines were killed in Fallujah by a roadside bomb. President Bush knew about it before he made remarks at 10:45AM in the Rose Garden. From today’s White House press conference:

QUESTION: Can I ask, when the president came to the Rose Garden this morning about 10:45, at that hour, did the White House already know about this attack on the Marines in Fallujah?

MCCLELLAN: Yes, we did. The president was informed about the loss of the Marines last night and those that were injured, and then he was briefed again this morning.

But Bush didn’t mention it. He didn’t want to take the focus off today’s message, the “good news” about the economy.




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2043 Responses to “Bush Knew 10 Marines Had Died Prior To Rose Garden Remarks, Didn’t Mention It”

  1. WaltTheMan Says:

    That heartless son of a Barbara.


  2. Pessimist Says:

    Well, by God, it is good news! Seems we have new job openings for at least 10 replacement marines.


  3. Granite State Destroyer Says:

    More Happy Talk from the King of Happyland.

    “As we speak, Americans are getting mowed down in greater numbers, this is a very good sign that the insurgency in desperate”.

    -President Monkey Nuts


  4. Jeff Says:

    That’s leadership. NOT!


  5. im4mary Says:

    Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.


  6. GW Bush Says:

    “We thank you for your service soldiers”, NEXT.


  7. slappymagoo Says:

    I’m sure the mourning family and friends of the dead soldiers take great comfort in how robust the economy is these days.

    ‘Cause, you know, happiness IS where you find it.


  8. Spudge_Boy Says:

    This wa a good one from his “Great Economy” speech.

    “a strong housing market”

    NPR
    Coastal Housing Bubble May Be Set to Burst
    http://www.npr.org/ templates/ story/ story.php?storyId=4572672


  9. Jay Says:

    They would have had to triple his meds if he was expected to acknowledge 10 dead marines. President Jumpy Jaw is a whisker away from a straightjacket and a rubber room. It’s hard fuc*ing work ripping the world to shreds…cut the man some slack!


  10. kharma Says:

    LOL
    President Jumpy Jaw…LMAO


  11. For Truth Says:

    Documentary charges electronic voting flawed

    By SZABOLCS KORDOS
    Sun Staff Reporter
    12/02/2005

    Only a handful of people showed up at the Cline Library on Wednesday for the first Flagstaff screening of the new documentary “Votergate,” yet the movie’s topic could affect everybody in this country.
    The creators of the movie claim that the new touchscreen voting systems are vulnerable to hackers and fraud and that citizens have no way to verify if their vote was really counted.

    The young team behind the movie ended up with a shocking result at the end of its nationwide investigation: Anybody is able to change the results of the elections.

    According to the movie, the central tabulator of the Diebold voting system, called GEMS, is based on Windows Access, jut like any household laptop or PC.

    And just like in the home, it does break down quite often.

    The filmmakers contended you don’t need to be a high-skilled computer expert to enter the program and change the results in a matter of seconds without leaving any trace behind. But the worst thing about the system is that there is no proof that every single vote has been counted, and counted correctly. Unlike in the case of the traditional ballots, recounting does not lead anywhere since there is no permanent record on the votes.

    At the Wednesday event sponsored by Democracy for America-Flagstaff, Dr. Tom Ryan, founder of Arizona Citizens for Fair Elections, emphasized the importance of keeping the Diebold Tsx voting machine out of Arizona.

    Patty Hansen, the elections director for the county, told the Arizona Daily Sun that optical scanners are used in Coconino County, but it is up to the office of the Secretary of State to give the final word on any change.

    Here’s the link

    http://www.azdailysun.com/ non_sec/ nav_includes/ story.cfm?storyID=120281

    The guy shouldn’t even be in office.


  12. adios Says:

    MCCLELLAN: Yes, we did. The president was informed about the loss of the Marines last night and those that were injured, and then he was briefed again this morning.

    But…he wasn’t briefed during his press conference, so he probably forgot he’d been briefed that morning, and the night before. He needs to be briefed more frequently when he’s drinking heavily.


  13. Jerry Lewis Says:

    I think it’s time to roll the tote Ed …2,110……….Yaa YAA…. 2,115….. Yaaa YAAA….. roll it Ed……. 2120.(and the music plays),”what the world needs now, is love sweet…..”


  14. True Blue Says:

    Jay,
    President Jumpy Jaw has GOT to be the funniest thing I read today!!
    I always wonder when I see him speak why no one has broken him of that horrendous habit.

    Gawd, I’m still laughing…



  15. Average TV Viewer Says:

    I don’t think we have a right to complain about this. It would have been nice to hear him comment, though. I would probably be angry if I were a soldier.


  16. Chales Karafotias Says:

    How about replacements for the 10 Marienes, like the twins,
    Jeb’s son, Karen Hughes’ son etc.


  17. He's Scum Says:

    There is a simple reason why.

    He doesn’t care.


  18. pj Says:

    Now why should Dubya worry his Pretty little mind over that?!


  19. Granite State Destroyer Says:

    The number jumped by an additional four, which makes 14 dead Americans in two days……But, the Pentagon just said that bombings were down.

    What a bunch of rats running the show in DC.

    -GSD


  20. Quisp Says:

    Maybe Chimpy should update this website. Or something.

    http://icasualties.org/oif/Statecity.aspx


  21. WaltTheMan Says:

    He could prefaced his talk with something like:
    “Before we get to the subject I called you here for, I would like to regretfully announce that ten brave Marines were lost in Iraq today…”.


  22. Dave Garred Says:

    I like how everyone feigns surprise at this…

    it’s sad, but I wouldn’t expect anything less.


  23. Robert Says:

    For the Trolls: Just think what you would be saying if Clinton had done this.


  24. Average TV Viewer Says:

    For the very first time in my life I watched the Fox program Fox and Friends this morning. Can someone tell how in the world these guys have escaped scrutiny on sites like this one? These guys are totally off the chart White House spokepersons. Worse than the evening bunch.

    Anyone?


  25. Marie Says:

    #22, WtM, an acknowledgement would have required a bit of compassion, maybe thoughtfulness, and would have distracted him from his assigned mission.


  26. MrTimPA Says:

    22 - WaltTheMan: yup, that’s what any reasonable caring person would do. But, his speech was already written, and you know how badly he does when he “ad-libs”….


  27. Audrey Says:

    Hey, Average TV Viewer, “we don’t have A RIGHT to complain”?!! Of course we have a right to complain. More people should have complained loudly about this moronic president a long time ago. And you “would probably be angry if you were a soldier”?! That is one of the more stupid statements I’ve heard in a long time. You probably wouldn’t be angry for long, because soon you’d be dead.


  28. tedzzz Says:

    ? why speak of everyday events ? – so so sad,
    I don’t get it WHY DON’T WE CARE!
    Just like the killing in our cities -
    (Boston Globe reports dec 3 2005: “Boston reached a grim benchmark yesterday, recording its 65th and 66th homicides this year, surpassing the total for all of last year and equaling a 10-year high….”) I don’t get it WHY DON’T WE CARE!


  29. MrTimPA Says:

    #35 - ATV - just go to http://www.newshounds.us/ - They watch Fox so you don’t have to..:)


  30. Jay Says:

    True Blue,

    I don’t think his jaw problem is a bad habit (what causes it might be), that sumbitch is narcotically induced, you can take it to the bank.

    I’ve been saying it for months, NO WAY he survives this term. He’s either gonna step down, be forced out, or wind up having to leave due “health” concerns. George Dubya Bush is a ticking time-bomb.


  31. GOPHater Says:

    God I wish someone would send him a pretzel with glue on it.


  32. Average TV Viewer Says:

    When we’re fighting in the streets, Audrey, I want you on my team, on my street.


  33. True Blue Says:

    OMG, Jay!

    You’re right!
    I forgot that coke-heads do that! (unfortunately knew one once.)

    …..ooooh, doesn’t look good for “Jumpy”.


  34. Zookeeper Says:

    Georgie’s heart is a cold, hard pebble.

    Not that I have anything against pebbles, mind you.



  35. True Blue Says:

    Fly Man,
    Yep. That’s pretty much him.



  36. Sarah Says:

    Mr. Bush,

    Aren’t you and Vice President Cheney so fortunate. You can bet your last dollar, Smirk, that if two Democratic leaders were holding office and one of their ex-companies(should we say HALLIBURTON) was making profits off of policies that they shaped(really lied about those WMD, huh?)you and everyone else in this country would be crying foul and shouting about “conflict of interest”, etc. Why is it, Smirk, that you OIL men get away with so much? Enjoy the spOILs of your phony war, smirk, while you can. Too bad men like Nathan Hale aren’t around to confront your bulls*#%. Those ten service members deserve better than your illegal OIL grab. But, what the heck, what do you care, Smirk, the economy is doing great(too bad for our sons and daughters;husbands and wives; uncles and aunts(you get the picture)won’t be around to enjoy our economy…they died listening to your bull*#%.


  37. selene Says:

    he never mentions the troops, asking for a moment of silence or anything. this is nothing new, sadly. and of course he’s never been to a single funeral.


  38. Average TV Viewer Says:

    Christian rock:

    http://www.metalskool.com/band.php


  39. IraqVet Says:

    #24 - This WAS NOT a problem in Clinton’s Presidency…

    Let me see, the U.S. was prosperous (lay-offs were UNCOMMON), a healthy public opinion and WORLD opinion (STILL)…The man can go to ANY country and walk among people and will be welcomed with OPEN ARMS…THINK PROGRESS had a story about past and present…Look it up!

    Dubbya can’t even walk the streets of Crawferd without security shutting down the streets and businesses! So to preface ANYTHING is his (Clinton’s) CHARACTER…Unlike Dubbya who cannot speak the english language with any clarity, let alone show any remorse for the killings he has committed because it would ruin his photo-op!

    He’d rather talk about jobs and good news (if you can call it that), rather than admit he’s a consistent failure…Hey, he’s scared of Cindy Sheehan. What does that tell ya?


  40. Average TV Viewer Says:

    Focus on THIS family:

    http://www.amamantafamily.com/


  41. IraqVet Says:

    #36 - Flyman…

    That kinda says it all…Accurate description of what we have in office now!

    EXCELLENT POST!!!


  42. Average TV Viewer Says:

    Karl Rove Fredrick’s of Hollywood:

    http://www.prosgo.com/man/


  43. Joshua Says:

    Whatever happened to “Mission Accomplished”?! Thought that meant our soldiers were out of harms way and that Saddam had been subdued, captured, killed, etc…turns out it only meant that our “commander in chief” had landed safely on a naval ship…STOP the photo-ops already and get our guys home safely! We don’t need ten more dead Americans because this administration does not want to admit they made a mistake.


  44. Susan Says:

    Bushie is preoccupied with how he’s going to deal with Rove when the indictments are announced.

    Soldiers dying in Iraq is the last thing on his mind.


  45. True Blue Says:

    ATV:
    freaking eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!

    and with that pig face….
    ICK!


  46. T2005 Says:

    Bush doesn’t give a damn about the common person or the soldier. We’re props to be used/expended to further enrich himself and his friends. As much as I think Bush is heartless, Cheney is much worse in that he’s an intelligent, heartless souless bastard. Mr. Burns of the Simpsons comes to mind.


  47. Average TV Viewer Says:

    More Focus on the Family:

    http://www.babycage.net/


  48. Average TV Viewer Says:

    More Karl Rove shopping:

    http://www.skortman.com/


  49. True Blue Says:

    Have to bring up the religion thing, sorry.

    Do you folks know any Born Again’s?

    They only care about themselves: “The Chosen Ones” is what they call themselves.
    WE, we are “The Wordly People”. (how quaint.)
    Jesus did not CHOOSE us. We are not worthy.

    So of course he doesn’t care. And he also does not think, strictly following Born Again Doctrine, that they will ever see Heaven upon their deaths.

    We are all the unwashed, folks.


  50. Willy Says:

    ATV,

    I won’t buy the babycage until it has a torture chamber add-on.


  51. Vivian Says:

    What’s the difference between these two Texas men: Lyndon Baines Johnson and George Walker Bush? Johnson made good on his merits alone and, Bush, well, mom always said if you have nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all…


  52. True Blue Says:

    #52 in reference to T2005.
    Sorry.


  53. Average TV Viewer Says:

    More Focus on the Family:

    http://www.neatorama.com/neat/worst-sin.htm


  54. Gene Says:

    I pray that the men and women in the armed forces have not be lied to…while I admire them for the devotion to duty, honor and country, it would be a damn shame if they are mere pawns in a war to make profits for lying men.


  55. True Blue Says:

    mom always said if you have nothing nice to say then don’t say anything at all…

    Comment by Vivian

    That’s right,”…This is working out very well for them.”
    -Mama Bush @ Astrodome

    maybe it is best if they all keep their yaps shut….


  56. Ginger Says:

    This is My Pet Goatall over again! Or is it Nero fiddling while Rome is burning?! Mr. Compassion’s soul (oops! that assumes he HAS a soul) must be dead and moldering somewhere in his gut. Of course, he did not acknowledge 10 more honorable military deaths…that would mess with his rosey view of this noble cause he’s always rambling on about! He is too addled to keep a train of thought going as it is….don’t throw any poop in his game about blood, gore, or wounded and dead military personnel. His failure to, at the very least, acknowledge 14 (4 from yesterday) more deaths in the Iraq Hell Hole is appalling, cold, heartless, thoughtless and oh-so-George-W.-Bush!


  57. Chris in AZ Says:

    ATV,
    WOW

    If that baby cage is true, it is no surprise the gop won control of this country, with logic like this, who needs a brain


  58. progressive and proud Says:

    Has this schmuck ever even made a funeral since the death of Americans started?


  59. ElectricBassPlayer Says:

    “Whenever you have higher energy prices it makes people feel ill at ease, uncomfortable with their economic situation,” he said. “But the most remarkable thing is that the economy’s continued to expand despite those two big challenges.”

    Well, that top 1% is making a shitload of money, that’s for sure; enough to help buoy the economy as a whole. (Which still isn’t much, because the economy has contracted so much during Jumpy Jaw’s presidency.)

    The problem is the rest of us don’t see any of it. . .


  60. IraqVet Says:

    #61 - Not ONE!!!

    He has met with the parents; however, after he meets with them, he refuses to answer their questions unless they are in a “controlled” environment…

    In other words, “IF” you are not a Republican, you get ONE visit and then your forgotten…


  61. True Blue Says:

    He’s too busy vacationing at the Crawford Ranch.

    Can’t cut in to the man’s vaca time…!
    Who do you think you are, Cindy Sheehan?

    “hmph… had to git my boys’ after her, too. Thinks she can protest peacefully and mess up my photo-op with Lance….grr…”
    -GWB


  62. tedzzz Says:

    # 54 Lyndon Baines Johnson is not beyond reproach….
    he also had the death toll aroung his neck… we would shout/chant hey hey lbj! how many kids you kill today!


  63. Average TV Viewer Says:

    Drunk Neocons:

    http://www.ihumpthings.com/


  64. True Blue Says:

    ATV, where the heck do you find these things?
    How do you find them?

    wait. maybe I don’t really want to know. ;’)


  65. Romelee Says:

    How can people still belive they care .Christianty they have is not for me Give me the old time religion TThe doing kind not the mouthing kind. Shame not eve a monute of slince for the troops who was lost.


  66. True Blue Says:

    tedzzz,

    I heard
    “C’mon, people now,
    Smile on your brother,
    Everybody get together,
    Try to love one another
    Right Now………..”

    and I thought, “Where has all that promise gone? Why doesn’t anyone seem to care about these things anymore? Why can’t our young people get together and affect change the way they did?”

    Sorry, I know it’s OT, but your post touched a nerve with me.


  67. Rabid liberal Says:

    I’m just AMAZED that Georgie didn’t point out that 14 more American people died in order to honor the ones that have already died…you know…the ones that died to honor the ones before them?? Shame on Georgie….the least he could do is acknowledge those human beings that sacrificed their lives to justify sacrificing their lives…..

    Georgie is the absolute, God awful!, Rock bottom inhuman, uncaring, non thinking, illiterate putz this world has seen in a very long time. Something has to give….soon!!! We, as a nation, cannot afford to have him loose on society much longer!


  68. Pete Bogs Says:

    why should he worry his beautiful mind with such things?


  69. Average TV Viewer Says:

    I get them from a radio station website in Dallas. I will not promote the website as it is run by a notorious anti-choice wierdo.


  70. WaltTheMan Says:

    #71 -
    What mind?


  71. Kiki Says:

    As a Christian, it burns my butt when Smirk and his ilk (and Dobson and Robertson, and on and on) start acting all sanctimonious. They’re who Jesus was talking about when he quoted Isaiah, “They come near me with their mouth and honor me with their lips but their hearts are far from me.”

    I’m sorry that these guys are the ones giving everyone an idea that this is what being a Christian is all about because its not. They’re what happens when bad Christians happen to good people.


  72. True Blue Says:

    Hey, ATV

    Did you catch Al Franken in Dallas today? He was at the Hard Rock Cafe.


  73. MichDem Says:

    Kiki Bush seems to be trying to facilitate endtimes , funny he just was born again in 1999 now he’s speaking in tounges and channelling god , scary .


  74. MichDem Says:

    Hey true do watch Al on the sundance channel , real cool


  75. MichDem Says:

    Worst attack in four months and noyhing , HUH ?


  76. True Blue Says:

    MichDem,
    Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Sundance stopped Al Franken shows just recently.

    Sorry. I was really bummed.
    Love him, love him, love him!!


  77. Average TV Viewer Says:

    Sure did. I was busy, though. I did get to hear the Delay/Earle documentary segment. Twas good stuff.


  78. g Says:

    He doesn’t care. It bothers him not because his god tells him that what he is doing is the right thing. They did nothing in his mind but die for god’s glory. It is a very dangerous thing when lawmakers only believe in the law of god. It is why our forefathers believed that church should not be a part of govt…..it is sad….and it pisses us off.

    http://www.illmethinks.com

    g


  79. dollylanna Says:

    This creep is insane and must be IMPEACHED. Can you imagine if you had a son or daughter killed and the pres knew and didn’t even think it was necessary to mention it amongst his lies? He is a disaster and must be stopped. The big question is: WHY HASN’T ANYONE STARTED IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS? Please write you representative.NOW There is surely enough evidence.
    Incompetent, deceitful, misleading, lying son of a Barbara


  80. Average TV Viewer Says:

    That reminds me. The documentary makers confirmed that they never filmed grand jury procedures in the Delay indictment. I actually believed this! It was a lie propagated by National Review according to them…


  81. IraqVet Says:

    # 54 Lyndon Baines Johnson is not beyond reproach….
    he also had the death toll aroung his neck… we would shout/chant hey hey lbj! how many kids you kill today!

    Comment by tedzzz — December 2, 2005 @ 5:03 pm

    Johnson WAS protested and degraded to a poor leader in his time…He was NOT beyond reproach and MANY of the protests happened in D.C., because THAT’s where he was! Not like Dubbya who is vacationing in Crawferd ALL the time and using LOCAL police to remove the people from his view as he drives by! Hey, he’s a UNITER…

    Putting the MOTHER of a soldier who dies under HIS command in jail for asking to speak to HER president…He’s a UNITER!

    Refusing to meet with the mothers of the soldiers to OUTLINE his STRATEGY for victory, instead OFFERING a watered-down version of the ARMED FORCES battlefield guide!…He’s a UNITER!

    Refusing to allow the VFW to testify before Congress and ON THE VERY DAY (without them knowing) you give a SPEECH before thier members…He’s a UNITER!

    As it was stated earlier, NEITHER THE PRESIDENT OR HIS STAFF HAS ATTENDED THE FUNERAL OF A SLAIN SOLDIER…TO MAKE THINGS WORSE, RUINSFELD HAD AN AUTO-WRITER SIGN THE LETTERS TO THE FAMILY FOR THEIR LOSS, until he was caught doing so!

    So “if” that doesn’t tell you about the man, then NOTHING will…

    Didn’t Dickless attend the Veteran’s Day ceremony this year? Now that’s a sight…At least Clinton (even with his Deferrments) attended the ceremony (EVERY YEAR) and showed some honor for those who served. Where was Bush?

    “And yet, Bush still gave it the old college try and stood like a cowboy in front of Veterans on Veterans Day and punched back at those critical of his strategy in Iraq. Traditionally, the President would attend a wreath-laying ceremony on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, but Bush instead used a photo opportunity in front of Veterans to really get tough on the softies out there who would like to see some sort of strategy for success.”

    http://www.musicforamerica.org/node/97128


  82. Pablo in Mexico Says:

    The only thing that has been driving this economy is the housing market, the borrowing, the points, the commissions, the salarys of the construction workers.

    Nothing else at all. And this market is getting shaky.


  83. heather Says:

    mama bush did not raise her children, she JERKED THEM UP!


  84. Michael Mckinney Says:

    Hello, I watched that appearance today. Saw the smirk, the wink, and the nod. He even stumbled over the numbers. I was’nt impressed. Think how many Sata Clauses and Christmas help are in those phony numers. Given the loss of jobs from Katrina and the coming GM plant closing. Those number are just bold face lie. With this new info from Iraq only makes it worse. It not just a slogan it’s the truth. Bush lies, men die.


  85. MichDem Says:

    True I am sorry to hear that , but he does have a new book , which will outsell anything Ann Horseface or Bill “I’ll send thugs to hide under your stairwell ” Orally will put out , I’ve allways got Airamerica


  86. MichDem Says:

    These fuzzy numbers will undoubtedly be outed as lies and again Bushco will step on their own dick as allways .


  87. progressive1 Says:

    What a difference a country can make. When Canadian soldiers were killed in Afganistan, their arrival back to their homeland was carried live on the CBC news. The Prime Minister and all the top government officials, including the Defense Minister were there along with family and friends of the soldiers. They stood together on the tarmack to watch the plane land and the somber march by coffin-bearing honour guard troops. The Prime Minister and other officials spoke and honoured the dead. You could almost feel the lumps in their throats. I sure felt one in mine. The U.S. government needs to honour each and every returning dead soldier and Bush and Co. should have to attend each returning flight and have it broadcast to the American public. This is a war that is being waged by cowardly men hiding behind the proverbial curtain. See no evil- Hear no evil- Speak no truth.


  88. True Blue Says:

    Bushco will step on their own dick as allways .

    Comment by MichDem

    Sorry, MichDem, they ain’t anywhere near that big…;’)


  89. True Blue Says:

    Wow, Progressive,
    I actually felt a little choked up simply reading your post. THAT’S integrety. And morality. And leadership.
    Something we haven’t had for a while…


  90. IraqVet Says:

    True…

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…Whooooooo

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah…

    No wonder Laura always looks like she is straining to smile?


  91. True Blue Says:

    Yeah, IraqVet,
    Makes you think if she’s all for that, “Waiting til the Wedding Night” thing!!


  92. IraqVet Says:

    Dayum True…

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…Whoooooo

    Dayum, that’s cold…but then again, so is the rest of ‘em!

    Lynn Cheney looks like a tired old hag, Ruinsfeld probably couldn’t see the target, because he is always squinting, and Condeleeza…Well, she’s has a gap in her teeth…That has to count for something, but she looks like the alien from STARGATE (the movie)…

    Lots of FRUSTRATED people in the Whitehouse…


  93. MichDem Says:

    Come on guys , no picking on Laura she’s only programmed to smile , like a stepford wife hehehe


  94. True Blue Says:

    sorry, IraqVet,

    I’ve got a Friday night off from my daughter, so I’m alone, havin’ a couple of beers, and I guess I’m feelin’ feisty..!


  95. Spudge_Boy Says:

    This just in:

    Miami Herald
    December 2, 2005
    Pentagon describes Iraq propaganda plan

    http://www.miami.com/ mld/ miamiherald/ news/ 13305355.htm


  96. JIMBO Says:

    ATV-

    I saw an episode of Fox and Friends a couple years ago. And I am so disgusted at the three who consider themselves journalists. I am disgusted at the fact that they even exist. I would just love to see those three do a show in Harlem, or better yet, Compton, CA. That way, if you
    hear the garbage spewing from those three stooges, the citizens will not take this very kindly.

    Have to go and eat dinner and watch the “Wal-mart High Cost
    of Low Pricing” DVD. I’ll be right back.


  97. True Blue Says:

    Thanks for the link, Spudge.

    We were almost having fun, there. Joking, etc.
    Now this. Slap back to reality. [Please don’t think I’m blaming you in any way, Spudge. You happen to be the bearer of reality…! :) ]
    Is anyone else scared to hell about this … well.. “regime”?

    I am truly afraid of America’s future.


  98. IraqVet Says:

    So we are PAYING them to print the TRUTH….

    Ummmmmm….Yeah, right! It’s done in war ALL the time…

    If I remember correctly in Desert Storm, we DID NOT pay any media agency or outlet to print our GOOD DEEDS in the country…However, we did drop leaflets telling the soldiers how to surrender and where to go…

    PAYING for TRUTH about the (so-called) WAR (is anyone else sick of hearing everyone call this a war, when it really isn’t?)…

    WHAT a LIAR and CHEAT will not do to WIN over public opinion!!!


  99. WaltTheMan Says:

    Hey folks, this thread is about compassion. Let’s get back to the subject, else, we will have trolls coming into this just like an Oyster Knife in a Baltimore restaurant. People died, W ignored them.


  100. True Blue Says:

    I think even GBI is probably ashamed of GBII.


  101. IraqVet Says:

    JIMBO…

    The ONLY person that can EVER do that is CLINTON! BUSH…IN Harlem or COMPTON! Man, they’d evacuate every (black) citizen and transplant every “fake” black republican they could find with old (Uncle Tom) J.C. Watts leading the parade!

    Then screen the people to see who liked him and who would curse him out, and then try a few test runs, and then he’d show up an hour late…

    WHAT an IDIOT!!!


  102. dave Says:

    guess you get what you voted.hope Dumbyas mandate [51%] ? doesn’t include getting more of our young people killed.


  103. im4mary Says:

    Up for a vote: Jumpy Jaw and Crashcart!


  104. True Blue Says:

    WaltTheMan,

    Haven’t you noticed a decided *lack* of trolls today?

    Not on ONE post I’ve visited.

    They’re either at a Rove Revival, or…
    maybe it’s one stinking troll making up all the other names, and he or she got sick today…, thus, no trolls.

    (I’m thinking that last one….)

    Anyway, Happy Posting!


  105. True Blue Says:

    *Jumpy Jaw*
    I still laugh every time I see that.
    That is priceless.


  106. WaltTheMan Says:

    When W wants to support our troops, he sends bras and jock straps to the front.


  107. Ian Says:

    Sadly, events like this will continue until the U.S. brings all our troops home from Iraq.


  108. hardass Says:

    I refuse to attend any X-mass , or any party period , until our troopd are back home . So far i have no reason to celebrate .This war was started by the corrupt for the corrupt and for the poor slobs who rush and stumble to the malls an W-mart .Boycott the malls .


  109. Sharon Cox Says:

    True Blue. Scared is not a strong enough word. Have been petrefied since this jerk wad and his nut cases were installed into office. Sadly I knew how this presidency might go based on the giant f*** up’s he pulled in Texas and his background before that. It turned out even worse than I thought, largly because most of america is wooed with lieing sound bites. Can’t believe it has come to this….Blessings


  110. pw Says:

    http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#911

    9/11, Iraq & PNAC - The Connection is Clear & Undeniable
    THE COMMON SENSE CONNECTION: THESE MEN LIED IN ORDER TO START A WAR AND IN THE PROCESS THEY SACRIFICED THE LIVES OF OVER 2000 AMERICN SOLDIERS. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THEY DID NOT SACRIFICE 3000 TOTAL STRANGERS ON 9/11/2001 FOR THE SAME PURPOSE?

    With all the recent questions being asked about the lies that led us to war one question is still being ignored: what does 9/11 have to do with the US invasion of Iraq. The answer is not what you have been told; the illogical claim that 9/11 changed everything and it caused the US to change the way they dealt with potential threats. The real connection here is that 9/11 gave the men who wanted to invade Iraq so badly that they lied to the world in order to do it, the political and popular support to go ahead with their radical agenda.

    The one question that becomes more relevant, less controversial and more important as the lies that led us to war are brought to light is this: who benefited from the events of 9/11 and how did they benefit?

    Just as the members of the Project for a New American Century stated in their manifesto they needed a new Pearl Harbor in order to get the popular support for their radical agenda and they got that new Pearl Harbor on 9/11/2001. Imagine that; the very men who were in positions to prevent, permit or conduct the attacks of 9/11/2001 were the very people who had their wish granted at the moment the first plane hit the WTC.

    Another obvious benefit of 9/11 is the open ended financial jackpot delivered to the military industrial complex and to the energy industry; both of which are interwoven with the members of the Bush/PNAC administration. These people have received untold and virtually unlimited financial profits as a result of the events of 9/11. The independent researchers have uncovered mountains of evidence indicating inside (American) complicity in the events of 9/11 yet many people refuse to believe them based on one premise; they refuse to believe that Americans would hurt other Americans. If this were true we would not need prisons. We would not have a Mafia. Greed alone has been the driving force that has caused man to kill man on a massive scale. Greed has been the driving force behind the murders of spouses, children, parents and total strangers. What makes you think that greed alone is not a good enough reason for war profiteers, who as a livelihood deal in death, to sacrifice a few thousand strangers so that they can reap unlimited fortune? That alone could alone serve as motive for taking part in the horrific events of 9/11/2001.

    Nothing corrupts the human sole more than greed, but greed was not the only potential motivating factor for conducting such an event. The Project for a New American Century’s entire reason for being hinged on such an event. A huge part of that agenda was the invasion of Iraq.
    The invasion of Iraq was made possible only by the events of 9/11. To date we have not even heard a theory put forth on how Muslim extremists have, or would have benefited from those events. They had nothing to gain and from what we have witnessed as the world turned against the Muslim people, they had everything to lose. We have seen a great deal of “EVIDENCE” indicating, at the very least that many actions were taken by operatives within the Bush/PNAC administration to paralyze procedures that were in place to prevent and/or address an attack of that nature. Even more “EVIDENCE” has been uncovered that indicates a far greater level of involvement by insiders.

    What we have here is a group of men (PNAC) who had a plan. The plan included invading Iraq. They openly admitted that this would not be possible without an event like 9/11. (They used the term “new Pearl Harbor” but you can obviously see the connection.) They were in key positions to ensure that events of 9/11 take place, either by conducting them or by permitting them to play out. Now they are being exposed for the lies they told about Iraq that permitted them to invade a nation and kill 10s if not 100s of thousands of people including 2000 Americans.

    THE COMMON SENSE CONNECTION: THESE MEN LIED IN ORDER TO START A WAR AND IN THE PROCESS THEY SACRIFICED THE LIVES OF OVER 2000 AMERICN SOLDIERS. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT THEY DID NOT SACRIFICE 3000 TOTAL STRANGERS ON 9/11/2001 FOR THE SAME PURPOSE?

    I ask all people to examine the motive/benefit/evidence links between the events of 9/11 and the members of the Bush administration who were involved with the Project for a New American Century. These links become more defined and understandable as each lie related to the invasion of Iraq is exposed. Think about it

    http://www.tvnewslies.org/news/#911


  111. the Fly-man Says:

    Here is some interesting collections for you all to sift thru. Enjoy!
    antiwar.com/quotes.php


  112. helloimhere Says:

    OF COURSE he wasn’t gonna mention the Marines killed in Iraq….he would have to contradict himself. “Marines died in Iraq today, 10 of them….but really, every thing is going great!” Yeah right. This man could never say something like “I’m sorry”.

    IraqVet- where were you at in Iraq, and when?
    I was at Camp Speicher, Feb 2004-2005.


  113. Terri Mead Says:

    Hmmmmmmmm - what country is he talking about? Certainly can’t be this one! Michigan just lost another 3 GM plants!

    Will someone PLEASE give this man a b-job so we can impeach him!


  114. wickedsmart Says:

    The thought that fourteen more families received horrific news saddens me so deeply. These war criminals should rot in hell for their illegal, immoral war.


  115. StuKin Says:

    No surprise here. There just wasn’t enough time to re-write the speech. The idiot can’t open his mouth without having a script to read word-for-word.


  116. IraqVet Says:

    Helloimhere,

    I was at FOB Manhattan for a few months, and was called back to Ft. Sill on DRILL status…I was attached to 1st ID (Big Red 1) support!

    I am currently a DI at 30th FA in Lawton…

    It’s COLD up here!!! Brrrrrrrr….


  117. mighty aphrodite Says:

    “Haven’t you noticed a decided *lack* of trolls today?”
    –True Blue
    ****No, True, due to the GREAT economy, we’ve been up to our eyeballs in our businesses - I guess everyday seems the same to prog free loaders. (Or else we’ve been doing our Christmas or Chanukuh shopping, baking etc. For of those of you TRULY concerned about the troops - you only have a few days to get to the Post Office.)

    But notice the common “thread” on this thread:
    “I am truly afraid of America’s future.”
    Comment by True Blue — December 2, 2005 @ 6:46 pm
    “Sadly, events like this will continue until the U.S. brings all our troops home from Iraq.”
    Comment by Ian — December 2, 2005 @ 7:14 pm
    “So far i have no reason to celebrate .”
    Comment by hardass — December 2, 2005 @ 7:31 pm
    “Scared is not a strong enough word. Have been petrefied since this jerk wad and his nut cases were installed into office. Sadly I knew how this presidency might go based on the giant f*** up’s he pulled in Texas and his background before that. It turned out even worse than I thought, largly because most of america is wooed with lieing sound bites. Can’t believe it has come to this….Blessings”
    Comment by Sharon Cox — December 2, 2005 @ 7:31 pm

    The noted “gems” from TP indicate why the true name of this site is Think PESSIMISM!!! You might want stay away from sharp object….


  118. wickedsmart Says:

    Every “Born Againer” we know has been involved in some pretty nasty stuff in their past, drugs, etc. and then went the opposite extreme (one friend is now a minister!). I think his mental stability is very tenuous.

    In the meantime, has ANYONE seen the Bush twins in the last five months? Seriously, I think they must be at the famous “undisclosed location” to keep them out of sight. It would have been nice to see them helping out down in the Katrina fiasco aftermath, even as a photo op. But I really want to see them in Iraq…as Cindy Sheehan says, it is time that Bush put “a little skin in the game.”

    The bastard.


  119. WaltTheMan Says:

    mighty aphrodite has entered the forum - we have just had an attack of the Chichen Flu. Innoculate Mr. Robinson, innoculate!


  120. WaltTheMan Says:

    Resend -
    mighty aphrodite has entered the forum - we have just had an attack of the Chicken Flu. Innoculate Mr. Robinson, innoculate!


  121. the Fly-man Says:

    For the MA #120 here is a good one for you:
    “The statesman who yields to war fever…is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforseeable and uncontrolable events” Sir Winston Churchill. thanks
    antiwar.com/quotes.php try reading a couple and maybe your perception of this conversation will clear.


  122. WaltTheMan Says:

    FM,Gee, winnie got this nut(W) in a nutshell.


  123. df Says:

    For the last week Bush has been steeped in the success of Iraq and yet cannot pause long enough to give a moment of thought publicly to the soldiers families and loved ones?


  124. Texgotham Says:

    What did you expect from Dubya? He’s so dumb he thinks asphalt is rectal trouble.


  125. wickedsmart Says:

    Mighty Aphrodite, as the daughter of a WWII vet who wss at Normandy, the wife of a Vietnam combat medic, and the mother of a National Guard soldier, I support the military. But this is an illegal, immoral war. And you may not be pessimistic, but we are creating more terrorists by our continued occupation. George the Father declined to enter Baghdad because “we would then own it”. Guess what:

    $300 BILLION - NO EXIT PLAN. Still feeling cheerful? Or manybe you have lots of Lockheed Martin and Halliburton stock?


  126. Joe Sixpack Says:

    Hey, aphrodite #120 I like the quotes from some of the posts here. And that sly little “sharp objects” remark was certainly original.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but here are two other quotes about the economy you might want to include:

    “The company is probably in the stongest and best shape it has ever been in.” Kenneth Lay, CEO, Enron

    “A weak currency is a sign of a weak economy, and a weak economy leads to a weak nation.” Ross Perot, CEO & tycoon

    Cheers.


  127. Average TV Viewer Says:

    mighty aphrodite

    is correct. Cheer up, everyone! It’s Christmas! Look at where we were 2 months ago!


  128. Jeff Says:

    Liberal eat ass what a buncha fukin losers the whole lot of you are. Whine and complain but never have any real ideas of how to make anything better.


  129. wickedsmart Says:

    Jeff, I hear the army is looking for soldiers. Why don’t you go make things better?


  130. Krazny Says:

    I am not seeing a lot of ideas from the neo-cons on how to make things better. have seen many put forward ideas, mostly involving getting out of our current situation, and putting the country and economy on track. but why change when we can “stay the course” even though the course is gone and were in swamp.

    Hows this for an idea. A complete switch of all automobiles to non-oil sources (i.e. Bio-desial, hydrogen etc) by 2010?


  131. Marie Says:

    #131, Does Bushie have a plan? Did any of them have a plan for what to do after the flower petal parade was over?


  132. the Fly-man Says:

    #131 Jeff, Who’s whining? Who’s complaining? Sounds like you and your miserable life with your 2 inch dick have but no other choice but to come throw a grenade into a legitmate adult conversation to help yourself feel better about your inadequate opinions. Thanks for letting us know how you FEEL because as you know liberal eat asses like us are concerned with feelings more than substance. Please link us to other discussions where you yourself have left your most prevalent thoughts on anything, anything at all I would love to hear some more from you. sincerely the fly-man.


  133. judie Says:

    Not only did he not mention the marines. He took no questions and he was laughing as he went back into the white house. He is a joke and is just thumbing his nose at the media and the American people and the soldiers. Impeach the jerk.


  134. Tony W Says:

    Why should the smirking chimp worry about 10 dead marines, when he has much more important worries on his mind…like hmmm I wonder if it’s going to be nippy this weekend at Camp David and will the new presidential flannel sheets be on my bed..


  135. Dree Says:

    Well Jeff the Baster calling us whining liberals,
    Here is how I made/make things BETTER as a liberal:
    I was part of a movement called forests forever so you and you children can appreciate old growth forests.
    I volunteer with Cancer foundations and the Leukemia Society.
    I protested this war and agreed with those who wanted the weapons inspections completed.
    I have another idea to make things better. I am working toward impeaching this presendent and working toward efforts to convince America to VOTE out the Republicans as they did in 1992 when Bush Senior was driving the economy into the ground. You wait Jeffy, this war will be the BIGGEST mistake in History.
    My husband SERVED in the Air Force, My Father SERVED in the Navy. I have a cousin who SERVED in Iraq and returned a year ago. Most of my cousins have SERVED. I did not because WAR is not my thing, but I SERVE humanity. How dare anyone call us whining liberals when I bet people like Jeff most likely have only SERVED himself.


  136. WaltTheMan Says:

    # 135 , FM -
    Be careful with those anatomical insults - it could come back with a question like is it width or length? I suspect that it is volumn.



  137. helloimhere Says:

    If Jeff wants to make the “whiny liberals” shut up, then he should join the Army.
    I know of an open slot if you want it, Jeff….Bravo Company, 701st MSB, in Kitzingen, Germany doesn’t have a supply sergeant. I know this because there was no one to replace me when I left! You can even get a free trip to Iraq, just like I did!
    Hey IraqVet, I was with the BigRedOne. FOB Manhattan…God, that must have been one of the dust bowl camps, like FOB McKenzie, Duke, and Warhorse, or the “looks-like-a-German-bunker-complex” ones like Brassfield Mora. That must have sucked.


  138. im4mary Says:

    PW - there was a website that I happened upon recently that went into detail about this; I can’t recall right off hand, but it scared the shit outta me. If I happen upon it again, I’ll let you know.


  139. troll Says:

    Yes, a troll!

    I have served and am serving. Have lost friends, have been to Iraq (which is more than any person here can say) and will most likely go back again in a year or so. I volunteer, donate money, and help build houses with Habitat for Humanity, and yet I don’t hate George Bush. He’s by no means ideal as a president, but he’s not the worst (Lyndon Johnson) president ever. There are many more that are worse than he, and I would put him firmly at about 25.


  140. desertprincess Says:

    You can vote to impeach at: http://www.votetoimpeach.org

    There will several ad campaigns across the nation soon.


  141. WaltTheMan Says:

    # 140, SJ,
    Yes, Ive seen that trend - increased civilian and US tragety before a political event in Iraq. Disturbing!
    # 143 - troll,
    Who is behind W? Did we ever elect Benedict Arnold or the Hesses?


  142. Smilin Jack Says:

    Anybody out there know any good “troll” sites? I would love to visit them.


  143. WaltTheMan Says:

    # 143 - troll,
    Ah! You meant IQ.


  144. WaltTheMan Says:

    # 146 - SJ,
    Search on “idiots and imbeciles”.


  145. Smilin Jack Says:

    I can’t believe this idiot in office has destroyed more than those cretins on 911 could ever have dreamed of doing. The people who commandeered the planes that destroyed the World Trade Center didn’t have WMD’s. All they needed was the element of surprise. Now that we have this massive war going on, nobody can hear. We are deaf to what the masterminds are up to. Great, just great.


  146. True Blue Says:

    Ok, goin’ out on a limb here….

    I actually like Joe Sixpack.

    I ALWAYS know when you post, before seeing your name.
    Your style is distinctive.
    I get a kick out of it.

    :)


  147. Average TV Viewer Says:

    I found mighty aphrodite’s lair:

    lair


  148. True Blue Says:

    I can’t click on it!
    Damn!
    Help me, ATV!


  149. WaltTheMan Says:

    It’s daytime in Iraq - you’ll be going to bed soon. Say a prayer for our service men and women there. Pray that their day is safe as yours and that all of them witness Christmas next.


  150. Cole... Says:

    I don’t know why the House did not take the front and center on this by voting FOR the immediate pullout when they had the chance–what better way to prove there is an opposition party.

    Afraid of “Cut and Run”? Does the House not know that a drunk cannot ease off? It’s stop drinking or die! Go to ALANON! Now!

    A country drunk on war cannot ease off either. The only cure is to admit that this is an illegal drunk war and stop killing, and get out. But no!, our Congress has to have it’s Peace with Honor. So the killing will go on until they are sufficiently shamed into doing the right thing.

    At least 3 House Reps had the courage to say “We must get out, now”.


  151. Smilin Jack Says:

    #153 Amen to that brother.


  152. WaltTheMan Says:

    #152 -
    Here are the properties -
    http://www.gordonkeith.com/ wordpress/ wp-content/ thumb-Bedroom%20Furniture.jpg
    Don’t know if that will work.


  153. freedom is not free! Says:

    Mr. Kevin P. Reilly, Jr.
    Chairman & CEO
    Lamar Advertising Co.
    5551 Corporate Blvd.
    Baton Rouge, LA 70808

    Dear Mr. Reilly:

    We are writing on behalf of the Democratic National Committee to demand that Lamar honor a contract its Huntington, West Virginia office entered with the DNC for placement of two billboard advertisements in Portsmouth, Ohio. These advertisements accurately referred to a statement made by U.S. Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-Ohio) on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives attacking a respected Member of Congress and decorated war veteran. The advertisements were aimed at informing her constituents about this statement, and called on Rep. Schmidt to cease such attacks.

    The DNC was told by your Huntington regional manager that Lamar is refusing to honor the contract because the advertisements are “too negative.” In addition to refusing to honor the contract for the Portsmouth billboards, Lamar, through its Cincinnati office, refused to accept the same advertisement for placement on billboards in Cincinnati.

    While Lamar’s form contract reserves to the company the right to refuse to run a billboard advertisement, Lamar’s conduct in this instance raises serious questions about whether the company is unlawfully or improperly using corporate resources to favor or benefit the Republican Party or Rep. Schmidt. Your regional manager was unable to cite any company policy providing any objective standards or criteria for rejecting political or advocacy advertising.

    Rep. Schmidt’s constituents are entitled to know what she is saying on the floor of the U.S. House and the DNC has a right to tell them. Lamar should either offer a credible reason for its efforts to censor the Democratic Party or else should live up to its contractual obligation and let the DNC put up its billboard and let the people of Rep. Schmidt’s district hear the truth.

    Please let us know immediately whether Lamar intends to honor its contract–and if not, why. Fairness and the public interest demand no less.

    Sincerely,

    Joseph Sandler, General Counsel, Democratic National Committee
    Amanda LaForge, Chief Counsel Democratic National Committee

    Sign with Joe and Amanda now:

    http://www.democrats.org/lamar


  154. R. J. Pasky Says:

    Even death is politicized in this white house, where black hearts hold the upper hand. But they will eventually fold when someone inside it discovers their conscience, and blows the cover off this pack of lying, cowardly, greedy thieves.


  155. Jay Says:

    To the guys that are blogging here that have been in Iraq I have a few comments and questions for you.

    The fact that you had the courage to volunteer to serve the country in a military capacity (though you may have gotten more than you bargained for) deserves tremendous respect and you have it here. What makes me even more proud to be an American is that it requires greater courage to stand up in the face of what may be VERY unpopular in your circles to voice your opinions about this war. To do what you believe is right, stand up for the truth. NOTHING is more patriotic than that.

    I’d love to know what the feeling is among the enlisted men in general about the war. How many know that it’s based on a lie? How many are willing to face the horrible reality that the president and his henchmen waged an illegal and immoral war for power and profit?

    I’ve been noticing a lot of servicemen on the blogs lately and I’m wondering if their back here in the States or if they’re online from Iraq, Kuwait, Germany of somewhere else overseas?

    Is it possible to access the web on the military’s time (and dime?) without having your every move watched?

    Why are so many guys home now? We keep hearing about 2nd and 3rd tours of duty, recruiting shortages and obviously the killed and wounded….if your tour of duty ends is it likely you’ll have to go back?

    Please come back here often and let us know what your thinking and I pray that none of you have to return to Bush’s disastrous war of choice and greed. You guys are the best!

    Jay


  156. WaltTheMan Says:

    I got there with this:
    http://www.gordonkeith.com/ wordpress/ wp-content/ Bedroom%20Furniture.jpg
    I had to stage my way in there by using:
    http://www.gordonkeith.com/wordpress/wp-content
    and then searching for ‘Bedroom’. The above may work this time as I copied the URL myself.


  157. MichDem Says:

    Hey Jeff , when you leave the recruters office grab a few extra brochures and take them to church with you , you shouldn’t have much trouble finding help for this war . Don’t they still have that buddy system thing .


  158. WaltTheMan Says:

    True Blue, the first link in #160 works.


  159. MichDem Says:

    It’s amazing to me that all those votes for bush and still we have 30 40 50 year old National Guardsmans over there getting waisted


  160. JIMBO Says:

    Mighty Aphroditzo-

    As long as Bush puts our budget in the red and down into the rabbit hole, the economy will never be great. And even after we get him and his evil empire administration impeached, locked up and replaced by a progressive administration, it will take awhile to get the economy back on track.

    There is no great economy. It’s not there right now.


  161. Average TV Viewer Says:

    You gotta be carefull with these links. You’ll find yourself looking at a compound femur break through the skin if you’re not careful.

    http://www.gordonkeith.com/wordpress/index.php?cat=4


  162. Average TV Viewer Says:

    Mr. Gordon Keith is an anti-choice son of a southern baptist homosexual. He has a personality dosorder. Email him from time to time to tell him how you feel about him.


  163. MichDem Says:

    ring ring “hello” … “a hey Dick it’s me heh heh , a what should I say in my speach about job creation ” … “tell them you just created 14 more jobs in Iraq ” … ” heh heh thanks Dick”


  164. WaltTheMan Says:

    # 165 - ATV,
    I’ll admit that I am a little lame at this HTML stuff, but then I have been doing machine language, logic design and micro-code since 1959.


  165. Susan Says:

    #128 wickedsmart, right on!


  166. Truth Says:

    Pres. JumpyJaw may have inherited his substance abuse problem from his daddy, who had a problem during his own presidency with halcyon. Bush Sr. would take halcyon (officially as a “sleep aid”) on Air Force One, which he used more and more as his presidency got into trouble. At one point he even threw up on the Japanese Prime Minister, prompting the Japanese to coin a word, “bushusuru,” meaning vomit.

    Such a distinguished legacy the Bush family is leaving to the world…


  167. adios Says:

    Canofun just posted this clever juxtaposition:

    http://www.canofun.com/ blog/ videos/ bushpressconfdec205.wmv

    Listen for Bill Plante’s query at the end (and the ad lib that follows).


  168. WORFEUS Says:

    It would seem the only way the president knows how to honor the sacrifce of our troops,

    is to sacrifice more troops.


  169. freedom is not free! Says:

    WORFEUS,
    And with the Rate he is going , Soon there will be no more troops. What is it, something like 500,000 ?
    Not very Many.
    Take a Look at N.Korea, Close to a Million Military.


  170. Jay Says:

    freedom inf,

    Or China. China and Russia should concern all of us. Do you recall months ago when those two giants performed joint military excercises? It didn’t get much play in the U.S media (par for the course…if they’re not ignoring a story they’re making one up) but it was pretty clear that they were sending a message…….to us.