The Right’s New Strategy: Anti-Alito = Anti-God
The Right’s New Strategy: Anti-Alito = Anti-God
This morning’s Washington Post previews the right-wing’s new counterattack against Alito opponents:
Several conservative groups, meanwhile, plan a major push beginning Monday to portray Alito’s opponents as anti-God. Talking points for the effort, which will involve ads and grass-roots organizations, were laid out in a strategy memo by Grassfire.org…
Here’s an excerpt from the memo:
First, let’s call out the groups that are attacking Judge Alito from behind their “independentcourt.org†moniker. Who do we find when we lift the veil? The ACLU, People for the American Way, NOW, NARAL, AFL-CIO, Human Rights Campaign, MoveOn.org, Americans United, NAACP, NARAL (see link at end for the full list). And what theme unites these groups? An agenda to purge any and all references to religion from our public lives.
But there a few members of the coalition that Grassfire doesn’t mention:
– The Interfaith Alliance (“A national grassroots organization of 150,000+ individuals of faith and goodwill drawn from more than 75 different religious traditions.)
– Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice (“Representing Episcopal, Presbyterian, United Methodist, United Church of Christ, Unitarian, and Jewish national organizations.â€)
– National Council of Jewish Women
– Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism
The memo says that these groups, and all of the others in the coalition, oppose Alito because they are “radical secularists.†These kind of dishonest tactics suggests that Alito’s backers are worried.
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There are substantial reasons beyond his stance on abortion to reject this candidate. Beware the over kill, and over emphasis of the abortion issue.
December 3rd, 2005 at 9:53 amWhen, oh when, will they figure out that all we want is to put all religions (and atheism) on an equal footing? After all, we’re all Americans in good faith, right?
Oh wait. They have figured it out.
December 3rd, 2005 at 10:03 amWhat’s their point? The constitution isn’t about God.
December 3rd, 2005 at 10:39 amTigris Lily.
December 3rd, 2005 at 10:48 amBingo!
God didnt write the constitution. Founding(Thieving)Fathers Did.
Let all Be FREEEEE!
Yea Right, What a Crock of a Constitution, Right?
But that is undeniably true, Judd. Noting a couple of leftwing quasi-religious-group exceptions doesn’t disprove the rule.
December 3rd, 2005 at 10:56 amThose groups aren’t quasi-religious groups, they are religious groups. And, whatever you happen to think of them, they cannot be accurately described as “radical secularists.” This is desperation.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:03 amJudd, no one with a brain is fooled by a thin veneer of quasi-religion on an overwhelmingly radical-secularist group.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:07 amJudd, “Those groups aren’t quasi-religious groups, they are religious groups.”
I thought you liberals wanted to keep religion out of politics. Hypocrites.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:08 amThey Are Greedy for Money, Nothing More. Greed Drives Religion.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:08 amA Better way of Putting it. They Are Greedy For God.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:12 am(They really Dont want to Share Heaven with You.)
They expect you to buy your way to heaven just as they Supposedly Did.(hahahaha).
Soon they,ll realize that they actually bought the WRONG Ticket.
The Ticket they bought? One Way To Hell.
the scoudrels always are those who :
Rapt themselves around the :
The flag , religious symbols or any symbol that appeals to emotions . These symbols are used in the past and present to control , enslave the masses by unscrupulous so call political , religious leaders for their selfish agrandissement and rightiousness of their beliefs ( myths }.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:16 amAt the present we have a large population who buy their arguments and promises ,always promises , to be safe , financialy secure and above all to have a place in heaven .
Well beeing is only achieved thru personal ethical behaviour and hard work . Empirically those last attributes have been always, thru history the only sure thing .
To do otherwise is to accept war , inflation , depression , confusion ,civil unrest that lead to break down of civil societies and state.
Relegion and politics are big business. Some of the biggest profiteers are the telavangelests. This entire spin by the right is more of the “if you are not with us you are against us” Bush mentality. Yep! the same person who stole both elections, is against abortion and birth control,now. His past or when it suits him include paying for a girl friends abortion, drinking, drugs, insider trading fraud in his companies, AWOL, starting a war and killing 2124 service men and women, neglecting the south even to date, thousands of Iraq people killed. Distroying our econemy, enviroment and giving our country away to foreign powers holding our debt. Reducing all benefits to the poor and working class and rewarding the rich and biggest polluters..I’m sick of this mess and hope we impeach the entire lot of liers and thieves soon.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:21 am# 11
I like to mention the MILITARY as part of the selfish interests ( WAR ) their symbols are aside the flag , medals , so call heroism , uniforms , ranks . The promises of victories are the tools of their trade .
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:28 amDefense at Home , not foreign adventures , is the best use of the military and CIVIL police such as the FBI , CIA ,local police for the best protection of our country and the constitution written by wise men who new the ravages of oppression , aristocratic and religious .
And the opposing argument is that the extreme right wants fundamental christianity in every part of our government and personal lives. Because it’s not about allowing those who practice other religions to promote their faith on the American Political stage like christianity has (Christmas, Easter). No other religion is allowed to have paid holidays off to celebrate their religious holidays.
It’s really tiring to hear that we’re ‘antireligion’. No, I’m anti-fundamentalist christianity. Their doctrines are bigoted and prejudiced in nature and have no business dominating our government, let alone being in it at all.
Until it can be holistically applied where are faiths have equal ability to present their symbols and ideology, then none should.
That said, this string is a good example of how well organized the extreme right is; something I’m not seeing on the ‘opposing’ side. It’s time that we ‘liberals’ start making a coordinated and effective effort to take back our government!
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:31 amVenezuela on Thursday launched an ad campaign touting its cheap heating oil program for the US poor, as Washington faces criticism for doing little to protect consumers from high fuel prices.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:32 amWwallace is the determiner of whether or not someone is religious. There is real relgion, and then there is the Wwallce standard. Nothing patronizing about that position.
-GSD
So now the “nanny-state” much lamented by the right has been supplanted by the ‘Sunday-school teacher standard’, much loved by the right. They WANT religion forced down the throats of Americans…..You MUST say Merry Christmas, you must submit to overtly religious(Some would call them idols) symbols in and on public spheres..You must submit to laws that exclude other religions and secularism…
What say we allow some of the cities that have dominant Muslim or Jewish faiths to start posting Koran pages on court walls? Stars of David in police stations…How about the Moonies…..maybe they should demand some large statues of old Sun Myung himself in some town squares…
This is about forced religiousity, the last time our nationembraced the mingling of religion and law, 19 people were hung and one old man was crushed with stones.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:35 amTo Take Back Our Government, one must Accept the Fact that One is Not Free.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:35 amI don’t believe in invisible super-beings.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:38 amThat’s not an argument, it’s a bigoted rant.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:40 amAlso, with Alito. Why is the right wing so embarrased of their position on abortion? Some else said it right on. They hated Clinton and his lawyerly parsing of words, but Alito and even Roberts were more evasive than Bill Clinton in his grand-jury testimony.
Come on Alito, be proud of your anti-abortion stance. Have some balls wingers….
-GSD
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:42 amMack MacKenzie. Do you Believe in Freedom? (The Religous Right Believe that Jesus is Free). Do you believe that?
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:43 amHow can anything be free if it dosn,t exist?
It is bigoted to say that many in the Christian right want to force their religious into the public sphere through the judiciary? You better go read some of Roy Moore’s writings and speeches. He wants to do just that.
-GSD
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:44 amForced Religion? Don,t you mean Forced Freedom?
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:45 amYou should know, WW; you’re one of the biggest bigoted ranter of all.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:46 amChristians Don,t force religion, they force freedom.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:46 amthats the only way to make money.
the reason Churches Accept Sin, is to Keep Sinners Going to Church, And make Offerings(Moeny).
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:47 amI cant believe people are so naive about this.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:48 am#21 Yes, I do believe people have the right to be free, however that has nothing to do with invisible super-beings.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:49 amIf Sinners stopped sinning, The Churches would go out of Buisness.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:49 amOutlawing certain sexual acts is considered freedom? Maybe in Orwells 1984, not in my book. Outlawing abortion is freedom? Outlawing use of the day after pill? Outlawing contraceptives? Sounds like using the federal and state governments to dictate personal morality..not a hallmark of a free society.
-GSD
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:49 amThe “religious right”:
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:51 amOh yes. Please donate to my church. God called me on my cell-phone and told me that I will be “taken home” if I don’t raise enough money in the next month.
Remember old Oral Roberts placing the benevolent and loving God in the position of an extortionist.
-GSD
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:51 amActually, it has Everthing to do with Invisible Super-Beings.
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:52 am(According to church teachings) The invisible super-beings
sat us Free.
How can that be if there are no invisible super-beings?
God who gave us life gave us liberty??????
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:55 amGod Gave us Life, Maybe, BUT, liberty?
What in the hell is liberty?
it sounds like a disease. Liberty of the pancrease
December 3rd, 2005 at 11:56 am“Who do we find when we lift the veil? The ACLU, People for the American Way, NOW, NARAL, AFL-CIO, Human Rights Campaign, MoveOn.org, Americans United, NAACP, NARAL….”
Obviously, these folks don’t believe in proofreading something before they send it out.
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:01 pm1) Christianity doesn’t have exclusive knowledge on morality. With the current actions of Bush and several Republican representatives, I would say they haven’t a clue what morality is.
2) We’re in the 21st Century, WW. Many faiths have God(s); “it’s not just about christianity”. Some of our founding fathers understood this; they were deists. They accepted that individuals could (and did) understand and worship ‘god’ in many different perspectives. One size does NOT fit all!
3) If society as a whole cannot respect the multitude of other religious philosophies (or those who ascribe to no faith), then it is prudent that none be accented. The christian right has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are unable to achieve that level of understanding. They can’t even accept variations within the christian philosophy itself, let alone widening the spectrum!
Alito has demonstrated that he does not maintain objectivity with his judicial stances, and therefore, has no business being a supreme court justice. Objectivity is a strong factor in secular thinking. Maybe that’s the problem eh? The right doesn’t want objectivity; they want brainless followers who just drink the Koolaid without questions. Yeah, what a healthy society there, huh?!
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:04 pmWinter in Pakistan
Pakistani earthquake survivors fight for their lives once more as winter snow covers the ground.
Updated: 10:11 a.m. ET Dec. 3, 2005
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:05 pmMUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan - Doctors struggling with a constant flow of patients in a quake-ravaged Pakistani city warned on Saturday that the number of sick could swell dramatically in the coming weeks, as harsh weather creates conditions for pneumonia and other illnesses to spread.
#37.
Remember George W. Bush’s response to the right-wing criticism of Harriet Miers. “Just trust me, she is an evangelical Christian who will think like me and she won’t change her mind 20 years from now.”
That is some creepy shit.
-GSD
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:09 pmO.K Listen, For faith believes as well as non faith believers alike.
Here is the Problem. Since there is no invisible super-beings, That means we on this Planet are Alone And Must Help One another in order to Stay Alive. For if we Die, The End Of civilization will End.
We cannot choose and pick whom should live and whom should Die, for if we do, A whole lot more Wars are coming.and everybody will die.
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:13 pmOR,
We can ALL Just Choose to End The World as we Know it, or move to another planet. But, Someone needs to LEAD!
No doubt, GSD. Terrifying to think that this man has control of our government. I didn’t think that two little hands could crush the gonads of so many legislators! He’s been allowed to run amok, and run our country into exorbitant debt while trashing our reputation with nary a whimper from our legislative branch. What’s up with that?
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:14 pmLet us all stay ” RATIONAL ” .
To do otherwise is to play in the hands of those who want to enslave .
Remember Vince Lombardi : ” fight ! fight ! FIGHT !
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:15 pmThe NAACP is anti-God? Now I’ve heard it all. Any group who says that is lying, pure and simple.
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:15 pmMother Nature is Picking us Off in mass Doses, I don,t Think Mother Nature is in our favour right now.
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:16 pmover a hundrd thousand dead from the earthquake in Pakistan.
You ALL Heard of the Tectonic Plates. You all Know they Move . You All know how Dinosaurs Became Extinct!
Mother Nature is Horrifying.
The good news is that the whack-jobs are
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:19 pmbeing forced to over-reach.
The anti-God meme may play to the fundies
(who probably see everything that way, and
believe the O’Lielly stupidity too), but
it is too over the top for the majority
who are now pretty suspicious of anything
coming from “commander codpiece’s” team.
Whos to say that another Ice Age wont Happen? Or, A great Flood? Or, Earthquakes of 10 or higher Magnitudes?
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:19 pmComets, Storms, Landslides,
Mother Nature is Evil.
Why do people fall for this garbage?
“And what theme unites these groups? An agenda to purge any and all references to religion from our public lives.”
This is their stock in trade: mischaracterize the position of their opponents so as to cast themselves as victims. Oh yeah, the poor Christian, conservative victims. Cry me a river.
Somebody point out where any of these groups, or anybody at all, explicitly advocates eliminating religion from public life. It is a DELIBERATE LIE by cowards who cant face the fact that they have bought a pig in a poke, cant win arguments on the merits, and have to resort to lying and bullying.
You know they have a point though. they call us appeasers. To the extent that we fail to challenge them on their BS, they are right. They have tried to put us in a damned if you do/dont position. If we fight back, that increases the perception of their victimhood; and if we dont fight back, the bullies win without opposition.
We have to fight back. Be there no doubt. The only q. is how to do so effectively.
For starters, how about posting the Sermon on the Mount in every public square?
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:21 pmor the ten commandments?
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:24 pmJack O.
That has been one of the paradox’s of the right wing. They accuse the left of being soft, feminine, squishy, unwilling to fight, weak French, pathetic, gay, unable to stand up for their beliefs.
Then they flip the script. The left is violent, always on the attack, cruel, name calling, negative, powerful, thugs, they run the media, they set the agenda.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
The Republicans are victims now. Even though they have the Whitehouse, Congress, Senate, Supreme Court, large swaths of the media, big oil and Wall St. they are still the beleagured and victimized class.
It is really quite amusing to watch.
-GSD
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:32 pmYeah GSD,
To have all that power and still be “victims”
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:35 pmmust be so hard on their egos.
I-RIGHT-I IS SCARED SHITLESS ABOUT GOING TO HELL,ROFL,harharhar
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:42 pm“First, let’s call out the groups that are attacking Judge Alito from behind their “independentcourt.org†moniker. Who do we find when we lift the veil? The ACLU, People for the American Way, NOW, NARAL, AFL-CIO, Human Rights Campaign, MoveOn.org, Americans United, NAACP, NARAL (see link at end for the full list). And what theme unites these groups? An agenda to purge any and all references to religion from our public lives.”
Each and every one of those groups should be prosecuted under the RICO statutes.
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:45 pmHow lovely,
The Radical Right-wingers are so desperate to regain their reputations that they are stooping this low to use God’s name to destroy those who know better about reality. And God wouldn’t even approve of how far those maniacs are going.
Even Dumbya claimed that God told him to invade Iraq. Nice!
You know I hear voices in my head. I don’t know it’s God but the voices tell me the same thing: “Destroy the Sith in 2006.” “Destroy the Sith in 2006.”
Hold on. The voice is telling me, “Send O’Reilly a Felafel
kit for X-Mas.” “Send O’Reilly a Felafel kit for X-Mas.”
I have to listen to the voices. I have to listen to the voices. I have to listen to the voices,etc.
December 3rd, 2005 at 12:49 pmWhat bugs me most about this is the dishonest portrayal of secularism. There is nothing radical about secularism. Our own Constitution is 100% secular. Don’t we want a secular government in Iraq? Of course we do. In reality, secularism is the opposite of radical.
Secular doesn’t mean atheist. Atheists deny the existence of God. Secularists simply think the Government should be silent on the question. Thus, a secular government isn’t one that promotes atheism over religion, just one that does not contain any reference to or promotion of religion.
What is the difference? Take the example of the Pledge of Allegiance: secularists do not want “one nation, without any God, indivisible…” secularists want “one nation, indivisible.” Those are clearly different.
As GSD points out, the GOP strategy is all about playing the victim. They create boogeymen to scare people into following the GOP. Secularism is just one of the boogeymen, along with gays and immigrants.
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:13 pmMan, I like this Statement
From:im4mary
No matter how ‘noble’ the intention to provide a ’service’ for someone else, it becomes tyranny when that service is forced upon them against their will.
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:16 pmGood post, mrborna. The Pledge was changed in 1954 to include ‘under God’. I say we return the Pledge to pre-1954 status.
Excellent point: secularism is not analogous to atheism.
thank you finf.
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:25 pmYou know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering. — The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:26 pmThank you all, for all you are doing to end this war, bring our troops home now, take care of them when they get here, and never again let this nation send our troops into an unjustifiable war, a war based on lies.
In Peace and Solidarity,
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:27 pmNancy Lessin and Charley Richardson
for Military Families Speak Out
-Aj
Agreed,
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:31 pmAgreed, not gonna happen. We also read to affirm not inform.
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:35 pmJack O’Roses, liberals aren’t honest enough to explicitly advocate what they believe.
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:41 pmIt seems to me that when you go down that list you see alot of groups that represent a huge portion of the population of this country. Trying to point out a weakness they have highlighted our strenth.
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:41 pmwwallace,
You and the rest of the republicans are caught lying daily here, your understanding of honesty doesn’t put you in any position to judge others, but it does show that you’re a NAZI.
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:45 pmMizzWrong,
You talk about Rico, and yet Focus on the Family is being investigated by the IRS for ELECTIONEERING, and you and the rest of the freerepublic act just like mobsters. You even sound as retarded as they do. Hypocrisy thy name is conservative republicanism.
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:47 pmI predict Ryan bin Ladin will be totally unoriginal and call me bigoted names. :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:47 pmSo the Elites are NOT SMART or CLEVER or ANYTHING but self Serving Wordly Posessesd FOOLS -Aj
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:48 pmThe NAACP is being investigated by the IRS.
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:48 pmWwallace, you are ABOUT 8 life steps from total loss, I suggest correcting your trajectory. -Aj
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:49 pmActually, what’s ‘quasi-religiouos’ are republicans who believe in murder, torture, wars and everything else that their own religion FORBIDS. Heck even the jewish laws and traditions set such a high bar on the death penalty, that basically no one in the united states could be convicted under it. So any reichwinger who calls others ‘pseudo-religious’ is yet another republican retard who doesn’t know what ‘pseudo’ or ‘religious’ means. Clearly home schooling has destroyed the weak and fragile minds of the republican slow kids.
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:49 pmwwallace,
And yet the NAACP is not a religious organization, and focus on the family is ’supposed’ to be :()
Wow, you really a stupid little short man..
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:50 pm“I predict Ryan bin Ladin will be totally unoriginal and call me bigoted names. :()
Comment by wwallace ”
Truth doesn’t need to be original, merely correct.
As for original, how would you know what that is? Nothing you write is original. Monkies like you don’t have the brain power to ‘create’, but merely to mimic :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:52 pmSo any reichwinger who calls others ‘pseudo-religious’ is yet another republican retard who doesn’t know what ‘pseudo’ or ‘religious’ means. Clearly home schooling has destroyed the weak and fragile minds of the republican slow kids.
Agreed Ryan, They have so TWISTED values, Right and Wrong, and so many Lies, they are so internally Conflicted with Lies, they Cannot UNDO themselves from the INSERTIUM.-Aj
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:53 pmI predict whackowallace will attack me, and print unrelated whacko little sentences, instead of having being a man and admitting he’s wrong. :()
Distract, Devert, Devovle and Deny
That’s WhackoWallace and his tools of passive aggressive. Those are typical of people who aren’t smart enough to directly argue or debate honestly. He thinks he’s unique, but he’d find himself in any 1st year psyche book under pathetic…
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:54 pmI wouldnt worry to Much, the EDOMITE bible Bomb has been dropped into the Fundamentalist Falwellian, Robertson Camp, given their Fanatical Roman-esque blood-cult ways, will soon SPLIT. Quite Rapidly, if NOT already, that INFO bomb was dropped what A month ago? (Mendacity+Neocons CounterPunch Article)
The Preachers have begun to WRITE articles to Counterpunch DISTANCING themselves from BUSHCo as well as the TOOLEY letter (**) _I_(0_O) bUSH IS fecked. -Aj
December 3rd, 2005 at 1:58 pmDecember 3rd, 2005 at 1:59 pm
You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don’t alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering. — The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil Comment by not_gonna_happen
There you go again, not_gonna_happen #56, attacking the rightwingers.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but just because I-RIGHT-I and wwallace have their heads up a conservative ass does not mean they twist facts to fit their view. Like Bush and Cheney did to get a war going. And yes, RIGHT has a serious problem with gays due to being scared of his own sexual tendencies. And I’ll even concede that both RIGHT and wwallace have their nazi-assed views of the world are racist and debased, but as a rightwinger myself I really must protest…..
Say, do you think wwallace could be a woman? I mean, she sounds so frustrated, like a rightwing redneck kind of gal who needs to get laid, if you ask me.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:01 pmSolutions :
Cut the military budget by 50 % just a beginning .
do away with churh initiatives .
Tax all the churches .
Forbids all lobbyist representing corporations and religious organisations.
Only tax based political contributions .
Limit all polital public services to 2 terms , just like the presidency .
That will go a long way in eliminating corruption and favoring an economy based on competition .
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:01 pm#31 George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were well known deists (look it up) and understood God to be undefinable by man and certainly had no place in government. Jefferson and Henry were not in attendance at the constitutional convention (Jefferson in Paris, Henry rejected the idea wholesale). The word God appears no where in that document. The Constitution IS the document upon which our government is based, not the other writings of many of its authors, contributors or philosophical prgenitors. That these men wrote about God elswhere, but did not in the Constitution itself actually supports the idea that these founding fathers intentional seperated the church and the state.
MLK, like Jefferson and John Locke among otrhers, support the ideas of many spritual liberals (and there are many, many more of us than you seem to think), that the rights to freedom of religious expression are not granted nor taken away by any institution, even the church. The fact that the religious right in this country, like the Taliban in Afganistan, the Shiite Mullas in Iran and other fundementalist feel the need to have government acknowledge or support their faith only shows that faith to be too weak to stand on its own.
If the church cannot inspire the secular public, the government certainy will not.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:01 pmWhackoWallace is the same dumb monkey who said that Jesus didn’t want people to give to the poor. He’s not a sane, or even smart enough to be called a ‘half-wit’…
Poor little retarded monkey boy :() ROFL
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:02 pmHey Wwallace,
Its ACKuire Synthesize ACKuired Synthesized Discarded.
AKA ‘ACKSYN JACKSYN’ YOU HAVE BEEN DISCARDED.
The 3 way HAND Shake Remember? -Aj
YOU ARE Pathetic, WWallace, THINK on your OWN. Sheesh.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:03 pmWW is a pretty weak troll as they go around here.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:03 pmKinda like those “newbie” flame-war lovers
back in the early days of usenet.
So easy to make fun of it hardly seems worth
the trouble.
Ryan, do you think anyone pays trolls to be
trolls? I don’t mean our trolls necessarily,
certainly not all of them, but they really
do remind me of the paid “bashers” and “pumpers”
you see on the stock groups. Have you heard of
of this anywhere?
YOU HAVE BEEN BEAT DOWN AND DISCARDED NOW GO AWAY OR SHUT UP LURKER. -Aj
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:05 pmAll your juvenile name-calling will never change any of the truth I’ve posted here. :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:08 pm#78 adjectiveman,
That’s a great post. I have read some of
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:09 pmthe writings of the founding fathers and
I find your short description captures what
I have learned from those reading very well.
Thanks.
#WW is a pretty weak troll as they go around here.
Kinda like those “newbie†flame-war lovers
back in the early days of usenet.
So easy to make fun of it hardly seems worth
the trouble.
Ryan, do you think anyone pays trolls to be
trolls? I don’t mean our trolls necessarily,
certainly not all of them, but they really
do remind me of the paid “bashers†and “pumpersâ€
you see on the stock groups. Have you heard of
of this anywhere?
Comment by afterthought — December 3, 2005 @ 2:03 pm
Reminds me of some Kind that Downloads a sub7 type proggie, then thinks hes a hacker, or some all powerful Internet Enitity…
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December 3rd, 2005 at 2:09 pmCmon Wallace,,WE ARE WAY PAST THAT..(MORON.(Quote Scotty Dr. Evil))
wwallace is living proof that the concept of an intelligent designer is a pipedream. The only way such stupidity could have any credence would be to give it a fantastic, unprovable source. Without the god myth, wwallace ceases to exist. Off to omniscient phantasm dreamland for you dude. Your superstitions have no place in a modern world. A cross. A deck of tarot cards. A damp mass of tea leaves at the bottom of a cup. A pagan tree that the christians stole for their own purposes. Or did the baby jesus have a nice blue spruce growing outside the manger in Bethlehem? No, I didn’t think so. Go worship your god wwallace. Just don’t smear your delusions all over society. We ain’t living in a theocracy yet though I know it’s a huge disappointment to you.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:10 pmSolutions :
Cut the military budget by 50 % just a beginning .
do away with churh initiatives .
Tax all the churches .
*NOTED -Aj =)
Forbids all lobbyist representing corporations and religious organisations.
Only tax based political contributions .
Limit all polital public services to 2 terms , just like the presidency .
That will go a long way in eliminating corruption and favoring an economy based on competition .
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:10 pmWW #83,
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:10 pmI suppose that is true since you have never
posted any truth here.
adjectivman, #78: Your post is ahistorical bunk. Read #31 again. The Judeo-Christian traditions the left now wants to strip from public life have been integral to American history since the very beginning. This fact is undeniable.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:10 pmafterthought cannot refute any of the truth I’ve posted here.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:11 pmWW #90,
I counter with:
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:15 pm“I’m rubber and you’re glue…..”
Hee.
Do they pay you to troll here?
Wallace #71: what have I told you about making those little faces with the keyboard like :() and :)? Real rightwing, redneck conservative men like me don’t like that sissy-looking stuff.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the guys here are going to think you are just another frustrated rightwing bitch. I mean, like Ann Coulter, you know? Is that what you want? Drop the lame faces, pal, you are embarrassing us real men conservatives. Even the cross-dressers like I-RIGHT-I is offended.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:15 pmJoe, calling me names instead of making an argument? How liberal of you. :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:20 pmwwallace believes that the civil rights are unreligious.
wwallace believes helping the poor is unreligious.
wwallace believes preventing oppression of women is unreligious.
It seems wwallace has done a nice job of stripping religion from his own values already. If this is what the relgious right considers ‘religious values in american politics’, then like good hypocrites it is THEY who are doing the stripping.
But passive agressive monkey wimps like wwallace can never see the truth, or argue with himself honestly enough to understand it. It’s how the weak minded republicans live in the world - delusionally.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm“Joe, calling me names instead of making an argument? How liberal of you. :()
Comment by wwallace”
But that’s the point, you don’t argue. You hit and run like a chickenhawk coward :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:23 pmI predict Ryan will continue to post bigoted and irrelevant blather, and call me names. :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:24 pm“The Judeo-Christian traditions the left now wants to strip from public life have been integral to American history since the very beginning. This fact is undeniable.
Comment by wwallace”
This isn’t a fact, it’s an opinion, and a preconception.
Christmas was illegal in this country until the late 1800s.
Care to tell me which ‘traditions’ were there at the beginning? Because I’d be happy to give you ACTUAL facts to replace you uneducated opinion. But we both know that’s now why you’re here - to learn the truth that is.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:25 pmOH MY GOD.
In Louisville Kentucky a group of commandos in pink camoflage, sandals, with unshaved armpits armed with guitars, flowers,baskets of fruit, and dildos attacked a nativity scene and took baby Jesus hostage. They headed north, towards the blue-states in a Volvo with a ‘Save the Whales” bumper sticker. BE ON THE LOOKOUT.
Christmas is UNDER ATTACK by the liberals.
A CALL TO ARMS ALL CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS, THIS IS OUR RIECHSTAG MOMENT! CHRISTMAS IS BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY THE GAY SECULAR ARMY OF SATAN. GRAB YOUR SHOTGUN AND YOUR BIBLES AND RALLY THE FAITHFUL. ANNIE GET YOUR GUN. BUBBA, ZIP UP YOUR PANTS AND DROP YOUR STEP-DAUGHTER, THE TIME IS NOW!
-This satire brought to you by the Secular Army for the Separation of Church and State.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:26 pmwwallace attacks the NAACP and calls others bigots.
I predict wwallace will continue to say bigotted comments, and accuses others of doing his actions in a baseless manner.
Wait, that’s already happened :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:26 pm#93,
You aways say that. Do you really think
it gets you anywhere?
WW typical post sequence:
1) Post really stupid flame-bait until
someone calls you stupid (typically after you
have already named-called in the first post)
2) Complain about being a victim of name-calling
You played this pattern many times, but you
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:26 pmjust end up sounding like a whiner (sorry to
call you another name, NOT).
I predict wwallace will continue to avoid debating, while dishonestly accusing others of doing his actions.
Oh wait, that’s already happened :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:28 pmI predict Ryan will mimic me, since he has no originality.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm#98 GSD,
I actually did laugh out loud over that post.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:30 pmStealing Christmas? Wasn’t that the Grinch’s gig?
Hear, hear, well spoken Adjectiveman!
Is it me, or does :() look like a monkey’s face? Kinda like Curious George? Wwallace, you might want to pick a different emoticon.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:31 pm#102,
Are you really this bad at being a troll?
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:32 pmDoes Rove have a school you could go to or something?
Maybe get some tips from the other trolls?
Some of them are pretty good at being trolls.
I predict that wwallace will continue to post bigoted and irrelevant blather because he doesn’t work in facts. Like his idols at Fox News, his debating style is about refusing to acknowledge the validity of his opponents opinion and refusing to put foward any logical arguments of his own. Then to top it off, he’ll throw his hands up in the air and get all defensive like O’Reilly does to make the gullible public think he is the one under attack.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:34 pm#79 - adjectiveman: excellent post.
WW - you haven’t contributed any truth to begin with! You make Special Services look like an Ivy League school!
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:34 pmI predict Ryan will mimic me, since he has no originality.
Comment by wwallace — December 3, 2005 @ 2:30 pm
This is the ultimate ironic comment, coming from the copy & paste master.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:38 pm#89 ahistorical. Hmm. OK:
-The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.”-George Washington
“It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service [forming the U.S. government] had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
-John Adams
-The clergy, by getting themselves established by law, & ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man
-Thomas Jefferson
-”History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.”-Thomas Jefferson
It is not difficult to take a quote out of the context of history and support you own agenda. Even my high schoo students know that.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:39 pm#99 - GSD - ROFLMAO!!!!!
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:43 pm#109,
Another solid post.
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:44 pmThose were a very smart bunch of guys.
How do you suppose THAT happened?
There are usually smart guys around, but
often they are over-ruled by those “less so”.
A magical moment in history, I suppose.
Joe, calling me names instead of making an argument? How liberal of you. :()
Comment by wwallace
You know, girl, I never called you a name. I said “the liberals here are going to think that.” Say, you know what? You really are much nicer than that asshole, I-RIGHT-I. BTY, he has a little bitty winkie so don’t bother with him.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think I recognize your style. You sound just like aphrodite! Come on, tell me the truth: its really you in drag, isn’t it?
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:47 pmAdjectiveman, you must be an excellent teacher. I wish that I had had teachers like you when I was in school!
I find it interesting that John Adams refers to “the gods”, rather than ‘God’. Was he thinking of ancient Greece, with its democracy and its plethora of gods?
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:50 pm#113 Jane,
I was thinking the same thing about teaching
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:52 pmand remembering the few who left a strong
will to THINK in me.
adjectiveman: “It is not difficult to take a quote out of the context of history and support you own agenda.”
Then why did you do so?
December 3rd, 2005 at 2:59 pmFunny thing about the “religious” groups cited by the reverent Judd: the only behaviour they do not tolerate (how intolerable!) is the decision of traditional religions to teach their members “their rules”. The slogan of the Interfaith Alliance is telling: “People of faith and good will restoring healthy democracy.” (I thought the left HATED mixing politics and religion?? But NOT if you are a member of the Christian LEFT.)
No one is forced to join a religion and you are free to opt out if if you don’t care for the rules. But these “religious” groups have an “anything goes” mentality. Without exception, they have been ramming queer “marriage” (and a variety of alternative lifestyles) down our throats for years - pun intended. They are VERY concerned with life - except when it’s inconvenient. Pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-social ‘just-us’ - “What would (fill in the blank)…. God, Jesus,
Allah, Vindu, Brahma, Earth..Wind & Fire… do?”
The Christian
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:02 pm#115 WW,
Again, is that really the best you can do?
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:04 pmThat is a really sad comeback.
Afterthought, I was raised in Catholic schools, and despite the fact that I rejected the religion (I’m agnostic, “I don’t know and you don’t either”), the nuns were adequate if not awesomely inspiring teachers. My parents, who were both very religious, actually were the inspiration to think and learn. My dad, in particular, loved watching documentaries, National Geographic specials, you name it, if you could learn from it he would check it out. He managed to combine being extremely religious (he read the bible every morning AND went to church almost every day)and having an insatiable curiousity about so many things. Both of my parents died last December, and I really miss our discussions. So I guess that’s why I’m here, to hear and learn from so many different people (even some of the trolls!)
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:04 pm#115, Is that really the best you can do?
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:06 pmAfterthought,
yes, that is the really best wwallace can do. I submit #119 as evidence.
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:08 pmFor the record, Gregor has posted nothing of substance.
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm#115 - Because I actually know the historical context. Because I was demonstrating my point. To show MY mastery of Google. Take you pick.
Thanks, I enjoyed this little conversation. I’m out - peace.
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm“No one is forced to join a religion and you are free to opt out if if you don’t care for the rules. But these “religious†groups have an “anything goes†mentality. Without exception, they have been ramming queer “marriage†(and a variety of alternative lifestyles) down our throats for years - pun intended. They are VERY concerned with life - except when it’s inconvenient. Pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-social ‘just-us’ - “What would (fill in the blank)…. God, Jesus,”
Nodoby is forcing homosexuality, abortion, or any other “sin” on you or anyone else. These people you are complaining about don’t have the influence to make anybody gay. All they’re saying is you don’t have the right to tell people they’re not allowed to be gay, have an abortion, be an atheist, etc.
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:11 pmHey, aphrodite, its me Joe. Glad to see you put in here as I think wwallace was trying to get me to get into her pants but you know me, I played it real smooth. (She might have the clap, you know?)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but your reference about “queers” and the pun about ramming it down our throats was so—-unchristian. I mean, say what you want about me, but offending I-RIGHT-I is uncalled for. Tomorrow at church you need to say three “Hail Mary’s.”
As for me, I like religion. I like the Bible, too. Hey, sugar, tell me the truth: do you really believe Jonah was swallowed by a whale, lived in it’s stomach a few years, before it finally barfed him up on a beach all safe and sound? I mean, how could he breath down there like that in all that stomach acid and stuff?
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:19 pm#118 Jane,
These days you do not meet too many people
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:21 pmwho can balance strong religious beliefs with
insatiable curiousity.
It seems this conflict was not always so strong
in the past.
I think the problem is with organized
religion rather than faith. It is when men
try to control faith that things go wrong.
It must be a tough month with your loss last
year. Remember the discussions, it sounds like
they meant a great deal. I understand why.
For the record, Gregor has posted nothing of substance.
Comment by wwallace — December 3, 2005 @ 3:09 pm
Hahahaha!!!
For the record, wwallace never posts anything anywhere near substantial, only passive-aggressive posts and unsubstantiated claims.
What utter nonsense. The 9/11 Commission report is a joke.
Comment by wwallace — November 27, 2005 @ 3:14 pm
wwallace, you just made my day! Hahahaha!!
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:23 pmThanks, Afterthought, you’re very kind.
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:35 pmTo Joe sixpack, Jane S.
Re: Wally’s stupid face
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:40 pm:()
Looks like a monkey?
Actually, every time I look at it, I see the face of the blow-up girlfriend he must have sittin’ next to him..!
Bottom line for me on this one is that when we question one’s beliefs because they don’t match our beliefs, that in itself is prejudicial. It’s that kind of prejudice that kept Catholics, Jews and blacks “in their place” for decades and even centuries. Of course, they don’t call it prejudice — they think we’re the ones who are the hatemongers.
I’m a Christian, a person of faith; and those of us on the centre and left who calls ourselves Christian have just as much right to do so as our brothers and sisters on the other side have. There may be reason to criticize or attack a belief system if the faith itself — not the people who profess it or misconstrue its beliefs — poses a clear and present danger to national security. That’s why it was wrong, for instance, to blame 9/11 on all Muslims, not just the heretics who subscribed to the the so-called “72 Virgins / White Raisins” strain of Islam and who were responsible for the attacks.
But it’s also wrong for the religious right to assume what they do. (Remember what Benny Hill said about what happens when we assume; you make an ass out of you and me. And we who oppose Judge Alito’s nomination to SCOTUS do so not on his faith, but his overall judicial philosophy.
“Justice” Sunday? How about We Love Joe McCarthy Sunday or Salem Witch Trials Forever Sunday?
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:44 pmTrue Blue, I hadn’t thought of that before, but now that you mention it…LOL!
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:45 pmFor the record, Gregor never posts anything anywhere near substantial, only passive-aggressive posts and unsubstantiated claims.
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:46 pmWell, shit. I guess aphrodite don’t want to discuss religion with me or answer my questions about Jonah and the whale. Evidently the Christian Right thinks Judge Alito knows the truth.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but has anyone read the first chapter of Ezekial about the flying saucers and the butt-ugly angels that were in them? Or am I going to have to find the truth about the flying saucers, and Jonah as well, from a school kid who got it straight from a class on “Intelligent Design” after Alito gets in office?
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:48 pmYeah, True Blue #128. That must be why, as a conservative redneck, I find the face she makes so humiliating. They remind me of the blowup doll I keep in my bedroom closet.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but have you ever tried to dress one of them up? I mean, and that gaping mouth—–if you ain’t horny, you damned sure don’t want to be sitting around looking at it.
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:55 pm“For the record, Gregor never posts anything anywhere near substantial, only passive-aggressive posts and unsubstantiated claims.
Comment by wwallace”
Bahaha, this is how you know wwallace is really just a parody troll of reichwing morons. After all, considering that Gregor fills posts with quotes, links and detailed information, and wwallace’s very comment here is nothing more than a passive aggressive response - that’s REALLY funny.
I don’t know if you intend on being a parody of reichwingers and their stupidity wwallace, but boy you sure are good at making them look stupid!
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:57 pmSorry, Joe, I haven’t.
I’m a woman.
But thanks for the God-awful visual!
oops… I’m a liberal and I just mentioned God.
December 3rd, 2005 at 3:59 pmWally will be comin’ at me for sure….
“No one is forced to join a religion and you are free to opt out if if you don’t care for the rules. But these “religious†groups have an “anything goes†mentality. Without exception, they have been ramming queer “marriage†(and a variety of alternative lifestyles) down our throats for years - pun intended. They are VERY concerned with life - except when it’s inconvenient. Pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-social ‘just-us’ - “What would (fill in the blank)…. God, Jesus,
Allah, Vindu, Brahma, Earth..Wind & Fire… do?â€
The Christian
Comment by mighty aphrodite”
Wait, you claimed you were jewish, how are you a Christian? Are you one of those whacko jews for jesus gals?
Also, people like you who are ‘homophobic’, suffer from a mental illness (just ask the APA). So you do realize that you’ve just shown that by mental health standards mizz MightyHermaphrodite that you’re mentally ill?
Also, what do you mean by ‘anything goes’, and why must you attack buddhism and hinduism? After all, most of the folks who are pushing for gay marriage in this country are self described christians and jews - or hadn’t you noticed that part?
You’re such a STUPID COW.
And the funniest part is that I debunked your claim that you were an attorney and in court last week. This last set of whacko remarks clearly shows that you, mizz wrong and wwallace are one and the same retarded little socially inept nerd.
If this is the best your political movement can do, no wonder your popularity is so low nationally. You’re such an embarrassment to yourself, and you’re too retarded to know it - that’s the REALLY funny part…
Bahaha, what do you know of Vishnu (not Vindu you STUPID COW) anyway? I know more about Judaism and Christianity than you do, and you clearly don’t even know the names of representations of the deity in other religions. IDIOT COW!
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:03 pmYou know MightyHermaphrodite, your fellow Austrian Hitler also renounced his jewish ancestry and became a reichwing Christian just like you. Are you sure your mother’s name wasn’t Hitler, because you sure sound like him!
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:05 pm#54 - Mr. Boma - Nice try on explaining secularism - but be a dear, and go visit the secular humanist, religious humanists, and the other humanist websites. Making fun of religion and “religious” people is a sport there. That’s OK - some of us love you anyway!!!
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:19 pmWhy, True Blue, a liberal should mention God. Don’t the gospels teach us that Jesus himself was a liberal?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that is also why the Republicans scream damnation and hellfire in opposition to Jesus’s teachings!! As for God, Mary Baker Eddy once said, “God is incorporeal, divine, supreme, infinite Mind, Spirit, Soul, Principle, Life, Truth, Love.”
Whenever I think of that I remember the hatred preached by the Religious Right and wonder why they are so very wrong in their evangelical narrow, little hearts.
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:19 pmWow, Joe.
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:26 pmI’m impressed.
Thanks.
…& put “Dolly” in the closet, outta sight, would ‘ya…!
Ryan uses terms like “reichwingers” because he has no originality, and he is a bigot.
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:27 pm#118 - My dad was a religious Catholic and my mother was Jewish - both had an insatiable thirst for knowledge(I could hear the Hational Geographic theme music!) - I know how much you miss your parents, and sympathize with you.
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:30 pmreligion=superstition.
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:31 pmtype 4=brainless
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:32 pmGee Wally,
How come you keep telling people they ain’t original, but you keepin’ postin’ that same thing over and over ain’t original, neither?
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:33 pmAnd, Wally, how come you keep gettin’ all mad at people just cause they don’t wanna do exactly what you tell them to?
Cause Dad told us that wasn’t very nice, and, ya know, I don’t think Jesus would think it was very nice either.
- The Beev.
#147, Heck no, Beev. But you don’t want Dad to holler, do ya? :)
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:37 pm“Ryan uses terms like “reichwingers†because he has no originality, and he is a bigot.
Comment by wwallace”
wwallace calls people names because he has no originality and is a hypocrite :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:37 pm“My dad was a religious Catholic and my mother was Jewish - both had an insatiable thirst for knowledge(I could hear the Hational Geographic theme music!) - I know how much you miss your parents, and sympathize with you.
Comment by mighty aphrodite ”
And yet you seem to have no thirst for knowledge, wow you must be a thorough disappointment. And that crap you posted last night about the biggest chunk of gas prices being taxes - completely amateur. A 5 second factcheck would have saved you the embarrassment of looking like a fool - which is how you look. But then again, everytime you post one of your crackpot lies, you always look like a fool, and it hasn’t stopped you. Guess having no self respect or dignity is the only thing you actually learned from your parents - I hope they didn’t intend to teach you how to be such a failure, but it is the one thing they succeeded in doing!
FYI, by jewish law, you are jewish, not christian.
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:40 pmIf reichwingers actually believe in protecting marriage, they would put out an anti-divorce bill. See Jesus didn’t mention either homosexuality or abortion once, but he mentioned that divorce and especially remarriage was ILLEGAL more than once.
The ironic part is that reichwing christians and jews have a HIGHER divorce rate than any other groups in america. Athiests have fewer divorces - that’s the REALLY funny part :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:42 pmWell may -be , Ryan .At least she is proud of her ancestry and rightly so she does not appear to have either malice or prejudice .
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:46 pmIf there is a God most of us would not recognise its presence for we cannot see further than our noses. Mine is the Universe.
hardass,
Oh please, she’s full of malice and prejudice. Are you completely retarded, or illiterate? She just wrote whacko nonsense about every religion but her own, that’s by very definition called prejudice you IDIOT!
And she isn’t proud of her heritage, by being a NAZI she completely betrays it!
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:48 pmRyan accusing someone else of being full of malice and prejudice is like Ted Kennedy saying someone else is a fat drunk who killed his date. :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:52 pmWell if you must resort to personel attack ,let me say with candor and respect , that you are the one who carry the swatzika in your heart. Man i lived until adulthood in Europe . I know fascism when i hear it , read it , smell it .
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:53 pmLook unto yourself and found some rational humility that i know is there.
MightyHermaphrodite, the next time you want to criticize helping the poor, go read. Matthew 25:31-46
And wwallace, no wonder you’re divorced if that’s how you treat your dates :()
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:54 pmhardass,
And yet MightyHermaphrodite (and you) are personally attacking me. So who has the swatztika in their hart?
I’ve spent a lot of time traveling, and have spent time in fascist latin america. You’re a witless retard if you don’t recognize republicans are fascist. And you’re also a HYPOCRITE for accusing me of attacking others, who are attacking me, and then yourself joining the attack. You are what’s called a ’sympathy troll’, and clearly a stupid one.
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:56 pmhardass,
MightyMoron has been attacking me for months, this is a liberal blog, she needs to STFU, along with you if the most you can bring to the party is rants and retarded republican talking points.
You’re all such retarded partisan fools!
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:57 pmThanks, Aphrodite, that’s very kind of you. I do miss them both terribly, and this month is very depressing, but at least I still have a (very dark) sense of humor about the whole experience when they were both dying. Let me just mention two blackly humorous things about each of them, then I’ll drop the subject: my dad had to have a catheter, but he was getting a bit lost mentally (combo heart attacks/mild strokes), so most mornings one had to explain to him what it was and what it was for. So he kept trying to leave it behind when he would get up to go in another room, saying “I’ll just hang this on the doorknob here for now.” (Okay, it may not be funny to you all, but my siblings and I got a kick out of it!) My mum, who was so doped on morphine that it was a wonder she could speak coherently at all, actually dictated (to my sister and Wayne’s sister [Wayne’s sister is married to my brother, yeah, that’s another whole story]) what SHE wanted us to serve at her funeral party: “No cold cuts! I always hated going to a funeral meal that served cold sandwiches!” She was a pip!
Okay, enough about that! And yes, that National Geographic opening music always made me come running! Thanks again, Aphrodite.
December 3rd, 2005 at 4:59 pm#124 - “Correct me if I’m wrong, but your reference about “queers†and the pun about ramming it down our throats was so—-unchristian. I mean, say what you want about me,…” - Joe Sixer
*****No, Joe, the term “queer” is not un-Christian - maybe you heven’t heard of the TV show “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” or the militant group “Queer Nation” - besides doesn’t a show called “Gay Eye for the Straight Guy” sound like a 50’s sitcom re-run??
About Jonah’s whale - maybe he took Prilosec - regularly. You might try that - it might help your acid and belching.
December 3rd, 2005 at 5:01 pmThe argument of the people who want to “bring back” god into government is that our founding fathers were overwhelmingly christian, ours is a christian society, and therefore it should continue to be overtly christian.
December 3rd, 2005 at 5:02 pmThe only problem I have with that is that the founding fathers weren’t overwhelmingly christian. George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson were all Deists. Deists believe in God, a powerful force that set the world in motion, and then left it. No virgin birth, no judgement day, no miracles. No requirment of accepting the divinity of Jesus. John Adams was a Unitarian. Pretty much the same deal. Not a “Christian” church as Mrs. Dobson would describe it.
But let’s say I have it wrong, and history is wrong, and the founding fathers were all great devout born-again followers of Jesus. Why didn’t they write that faith into the constitution. Why does the preamble say “We the People…” instead of “God has spoken, and we are his insturment…” or something like that. Why is the only direct address to religion the Establishment and Free Exercise clauses of the First Amendment?
It’s not as if official religion hadn’t been invented. King Henry VIII was the founder of the Church of England, and avidly persecuted members of other sects. Lutheranism was the official religion of Sweden, and my ancestors were pretty much driven out because they followed a different faith. The King of Spain was called “His most Catholic Majesty,” and in the 1400’s they mounted a blood purge to cleanse Spain of non-christian practices.
Our founding fathers knew about all this. Why didn’t they accept the idea that government and religion go together like-pigs and ham? Crime and punishment? Sin and divine retribution?
seo
“Radical Secularists”
Well if believing that we should follow the Constitution makes me “radical” than so be it. Afterall the Constitution is a secular document.
Perhaps they should read it sometime.
December 3rd, 2005 at 5:02 pmSEO,
December 3rd, 2005 at 5:08 pmGreat post!
Insightful.
SEO, you’re argument is a strawman. No one is advocating writing religion into the Constitution or establishing a state religion.
Radical secularist groups, like the ACLU, are advocating establishment of atheism in the public square, in violation of the free exercise clause of the 1st Amendment.
December 3rd, 2005 at 5:08 pmRYAN ! For weeks i have read you erudite comentaries and looked forward to your next well research observation .Lately you seem to descend further