Hadley Defends Cheney’s Claim That Insurgency Was In Its “Last Throesâ€
Hadley Defends Cheney’s Claim That Insurgency Was In Its “Last Throesâ€
Fox News Sunday Host Chris Wallace gave National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley three opportunities to admit Cheney made a mistake when he said the Iraqi insurgency was in its “last throes†last May.
Opportunity 1:
WALLACE: Last May, Vice President Cheney said the following, and let’s put it up on the screen if we can, I think the level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think will clearly decline. I think they’re in their last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.
Since then, 462 American troops have died. The insurgency back in May was not in its last throes, was it?
HADLEY: One of the things the president did in his speech on Wednesday was to try and be clear about who is the enemy, who we’re up against, and he categorized it really in three ways…
Opportunity 2:
WALLACE: But, Mr. Hadley, with respect, I don’t think you answered my question. Was the vice president mistaken last May when he talked about an insurgency in its last throes, given the fact that almost 500 American troops have been killed since then?
HADLEY: The violence is continuing, as I said in my answer to the prior question. We have made clear we thought the violence was probably going to go up in this period.
Opportunity 3:
WALLACE: But doesn’t that undercut the credibility of the administration, first of all, when the vice president talks about last throes, last May, and clearly it turns out it was wrong? And, with respect, there’s an unwillingness for you to admit it was a mistake then. A lot of people say that this administration, even when it’s clearly mistaken, is never willing to say it was wrong…Was he wrong when he said that?
HADLEY: Well, look. What I think we can say is that there were indications that we are making progress against the insurgency.
The truth is that daily attacks on American troops by the insurgency are at their highest level ever. Hadley demonstrated, once again, that this administration can’t handle the truth and can’t admit a mistake.
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.
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WALLACE: It’s clear this administration cherry picked, manipulated, manufactured and generally mis-represented the threat posed by Saddam Hussein and the case for war. Does the Whitehouse view this as impeachable behavior, punishment by life in prison?
Hadly: Well, maybe not LIFE in prison…
December 4th, 2005 at 9:41 amFind the money link from the White House to Fox news. It’s there.
December 4th, 2005 at 9:57 amAfter GW is impeached, he and his daughters should enter the armed forces and demonstrate their commitment to this war in its “last throes.” If it is in its “last throes,” it shouldn’t be too much of a problem for them to serve their country in this “war for freedom.” Last I checked there are plenty of dictatorships. Why haven’t we mopped them up?
December 4th, 2005 at 9:57 amAnd I believe in ocean beach property in Arizona.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:24 amDo you think that Rove has a list
December 4th, 2005 at 10:27 amof things to never, ever do?
It would seem that administration policy
must be to never admit a mistake.
It would be easy to admit this one
with a bit of spin about how “unpredictable,
etc., etc.,”… but no, these guy just wander
off into talking points.
It makes them look like weasels.
And I believe in a Fairy tooth Fairy
December 4th, 2005 at 10:29 amWhat was Chris Wallace thinking when he was trying to get the administration to hold itself accountable for its actions? Rupert Murdoch is going to have to send him to a re-education center.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:35 amMistakes what mistakes? The Cheney Administration’s motto is REPEAT IT THREE TIMES, then of course the dimwited public will believe it. His hiney is apparently in the ringer so i would bet Mike’s boy was trying to get in a V. Novak question just in case
December 4th, 2005 at 10:35 amMr. H had something to say.
#5- Afterthought
David Brooks admitted that “Honesty as the worst policy” has been status quo since day 1.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:38 amhttp://mediamatters.org/items/200509120003
Andy,
That seems like it is true, but coupled with
this administration’s premature macho sound bites:
-> “Dead or alive”
-> “Mission accomplished”
-> “Bring ‘em on”
-> “Dead-enders”
-> “Last throes”
without actually getting it done gives
December 4th, 2005 at 10:46 amthem virtually no credibility.
All hat, no cattle.
They really do seem to think they can “spin”
reality and honestly, that is a very scary way
to run a country.
Are Bush and Co. pathological liars…
One of the chief reasons why we cannot trust this administration is not only their lack of credibility but also their lack of ability to face or admit to reality. It is truly dumbfounding to watch the administration spin machine at work and it’s trul…
December 4th, 2005 at 10:49 amLast throes, eh ?
According to General Abizaid, the size of the insurgency has gone from 5,000 in 2003
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-11-13-iraq-forces_x.htm
to 20,000 in 2005.
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_062605.pdf
Not to mention that Abizaid reveals that only 5% of the resistance are foreign fighters, leaving 95% as home-grown Iraqis, fighting against an illegal military occupation.
December 4th, 2005 at 10:51 am.
And I belive in little green christmas martians
December 4th, 2005 at 10:52 amIt appears that there are more IEDs, less suicide bombs, and that the war continues to be bloody for Americans.
Here’s the AP Report from Dec. 2.
December 4th, 2005 at 11:01 am
Well if you have to get up early Sunday morning to sell the war to your own supporters?
December 4th, 2005 at 11:05 am“WALLACE: Doesn’t that undercut the credibility of the administration, first of all, when the Vice President talks about last throes, last may, and clearly it turns out it was wrong, and with respect, there’s an unwillingness for you to admit it was a mistake then. A lot of people say this administration, even when it’s clearly mistaken is never willing to say it’s wrong. Was he wrong when he said that?”
Is this freaking Chris Wallace asking a hard question? I am amazed. DO you think the zombie sauce is wearing off on the the journalists in this country. I keep saying that and the MSM just goes back to sleep.
You saw what happened with Anderson Cooper? During Katrina, he was one of the most vocal reports out there. He was questioning the Bush administartions handling of the response and asking hard questions to everybody. Then, they got rid of the one guy and gave Anderson a desk job. He isn’t asking as hard of questions now.
December 4th, 2005 at 11:07 amLook at this:
CNN
“Pakistan: Al Qaeda leader killed”
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/12/04/pakistan.rabia/index.html
Now, to the average person skim reading, you would think from this headline that we killed Osama bin Laden. You know the leader of Al Qaida.
But no, we killed the number two guy again.
December 4th, 2005 at 11:10 amTo be fair (and who wants to be fair to the unfair) any admission of error would be recorded and played back in their lying faces by our side. It is all the results of a broken two party system. Bring in parliament, multiple parties, representative government, and votes of confidence.!
December 4th, 2005 at 11:16 amI was thinking some more about accountability and
remembered some of the Bush/Cheney business
history.
I guess their history gave an indication of both
clear absense of due diligence and lack of
accountabilty, as, in Cheney’s case,
this story illustrates:
Link to WaPo: Halliburton Pays Dearly…
The history of Bush’s businesses has a slightly
different pattern with failed companies, “friend
of Dad” buyouts, and suspicious stock deals,
but the lack of accountability is certainly clear.
In the end it is pretty clear that these guy
December 4th, 2005 at 11:16 amARE running the country the
way they ran THEIR companies
with similar results, i.e., not good.
Who are they to DICTATE, Whats News and What isnt News?
December 4th, 2005 at 11:19 amThis What they tell Is Gossip over the Fence Newas.
#18,
Yeah, that’s true, they would hear it, but that’s
December 4th, 2005 at 11:20 amlife if you are interested in accountability.
I will give “Duke” credit for taking full responsibility
for being a “bought and paid for” scum.
I WILL remember that he took full responsibility.
Here is good one from Pat. B for those of you waiting for the news to happen. Enjoy
December 4th, 2005 at 11:33 amhttp://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47645
Also #21 Amazing is it not that Duke is an exception to those caught with their pants down.
Hadley is sooo Full of Bull.
December 4th, 2005 at 11:34 amAllawi was chased from his prayers by an angry mob in Iraq?
That can’t be a good sign!
December 4th, 2005 at 11:37 am#22
Hhhmmm, Me thinks Pat is onto something here.
One organization captured by the Neo-Comintern is Freedom House. Founded by Eleanor Roosevelt and Wendell Willkie in 1941 as a voice for global democracy and human rights, Freedom House, on the eve of the Iraq war, chose as its new chairman ex-CIA Director James Woolsey. By his first anniversary in office, Woolsey had declared Vladimir Putin’s Russia “un-free” and was beating the drums for “World War IV” against “Islamofascism.”
Flush with tax dollars and tax-deductible contributions, NED, Freedom House and their collaborator foundations and think tanks now routinely interfere in the internal affairs of foreign nations. Under the rubric of promoting democracy, creating free markets, etc., they seek to dethrone recalcitrant rulers and advance to power those who share their ideology and will advance their interests and agenda.
December 4th, 2005 at 11:43 amThanks Flyman
December 4th, 2005 at 11:44 amThese guys are all lawyers and the first thing they learn is to never admit you said or did anything wrong. You see, a lawyer can’t help you if you admit to a mistake. So it’s best to just stonewall because half of the people will believe you and the other half are just nit-pickers and they don’t count. And if that fails you can allways blame Bill Clinton.
December 4th, 2005 at 11:49 amGood Morning All. It’s not that this bunch of liers and thieves in charge can’t tell the truth, it’s they will never tell the truth. They all have the Bush conclusion syndrom. That is they form a conclusion based on what they want to accomplish, screw the USA people or Iraq for profit and power and then make up lieing facts to try to meet their conclusions. When others oppose their scewed facts as false they attack and bury in more made up lies. Plane and simple. Unlike most thinking people who get the facts and then form a conclusion. Their favorit thing is to change a word here or there to imply somthing so the public will buy it. It’s worked so far and will continue to work as long as they are allowed to create problems or incidents. They need to go now. Impeach. Charge and jail them all…..Blessings
December 4th, 2005 at 11:55 amSo, What do WE Do Navy Vet?
December 4th, 2005 at 11:57 amDo we go alone(Along),OR, Change Direction?
Dosn,t Anyone Have an Answer, Because, I Plainly don,t See One.
Nothing Seems to be Working.
Impeachments not working, ending the war is not working,
taking care of our own is not working.
What will Happen Next?
Everything seems to be”Stay the Course” and frankly speaking,
AND THATS NOT WORKING. HELP!
#22
Fly-man,
Very interesting read.
Does anybody remember “a new world order” coming from Daddy Bush?
I sure do. We he said that shit, there was a massive shocked inhaling by the entire country. That scared the crap outta everybody.
Now Baby Bush gets into office and is trying (unsuccessfully) to create that new world order, as Pat Buachanan points out, under the guise of spreading democracy.
They know that as soon as they can get everybody to be democratic, the sooner they can start stealing elections everywhere.
December 4th, 2005 at 11:59 amWhere are Our GREAT Military Minds at these Days?
December 4th, 2005 at 11:59 amSitting back all cozy, Agreeing to this Administration?
WHAT?
Dosn,t Anyone have the Solution, BESIDES, Staying the UNCHARTERED COURSE?
December 4th, 2005 at 12:01 pmThis WAR is on a DEAD END ROAD TO DESTRUCTION!
December 4th, 2005 at 12:02 pmTell me it isn,t so!
December 4th, 2005 at 12:06 pmWhat is the Charter, ?
December 4th, 2005 at 12:07 pmBesides”LIBERATION” WHAT IS THE CHARTER?
December 4th, 2005 at 12:08 pmFly-man: thanks for the link. Very interesting article and book review. Maybe even the rightwing/christian coalition is waking up? Or is this a tactical move? Dunno.
December 4th, 2005 at 12:20 pm“The truth is that daily attacks on American troops by the insurgency are at their highest level ever. Hadley demonstrated, once again, that this administration can’t handle the truth and can’t admit a mistake. ”
So is the treasonous rhetoric by Democratic Party members at its highest level ever. Coincidence? I think not. It’s Vietnam all over again. I think this time we’ll hang the traitors.
December 4th, 2005 at 12:23 pmYou wanna see rhetoric at its highest form?
Here you go:
December 4th, 2005 at 12:26 pmjavascript:addFavorite(’http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/’,'Meet%20the%20Press’);
December 4th, 2005 at 12:27 pmHow about:
What was George Bush doing while Katrina flooded New Orleans?
December 4th, 2005 at 12:29 pm#38
December 4th, 2005 at 12:30 pmI-RIGHT-I , Is that Your Final Answer?????????
So, IRI, how do YOU define treason?
December 4th, 2005 at 12:30 pmI think this time we’ll hang the traitors. Hang I think this time we’ll hang the traitors. I think this time we’ll hang the traitors. I think this time we’ll hang the traitors. I think this time we’ll hang th I think this time we’ll hang the traitors. e traitors. I think this time we’ll hang the traitors. I think this time we’ll hang the traitors.
December 4th, 2005 at 12:31 pm#38
“I think not. It’s Vietnam all over again.”
Wow, I-RIGHT-I admits we are facing another Vietnam. Dude, Rove is gonna be pissed that one of his paid minnions posted that. But, thanks for visiting reality, even if it was only for a minute.
December 4th, 2005 at 12:32 pmIRI, WHO IS THE traitors, You is the Traitors, Should we Hang You? HELL YES!
December 4th, 2005 at 12:33 pmJOHN MCCAIN • U.S. Senator
A graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, McCain had a 22-year military career. Five of those years were spent in a prisoner of war camp after he was shot down over Hanoi during the Vietnam War. McCain was elected to Congress in 1982, then elected as U.S. senator from Arizona in 1986. In 2000 he ran for the Republican presidential nomination, but was defeated by George W. Bush. McCain’s 1999 book Faith of My Fathers told the story of his family’s military history and his own experiences as a POW.
Extra credit: McCain’s father and grandfather were both four-star admirals in the U.S. Navy… He had surgery to remove melanomas (skin lesions) in 1993 and 2000 and minor prostate surgery in August of 2001.
McCain joins Elizabeth Dole and Pat Buchanan in our loop Candidates 2000.
December 4th, 2005 at 12:36 pmJOHN MCCAIN flew planes during Vietnam War? Bomb Dropper? Agent Orange Dropper?
December 4th, 2005 at 12:38 pmJOHN MCCAIN probably was responsible for nearly half of friendly casualties.
December 4th, 2005 at 12:39 pmTranscript for December 4
John McCain, Thomas Kean & Lee Hamilton
NBC News
Updated: 11:27 a.m. ET Dec. 4, 2005
MR. TIM RUSSERT: Our issues this Sunday: the president digs in again on Iraq.
SEN. JOHN McCAIN, (R-AZ): Good morning, Tim.
December 4th, 2005 at 12:41 pmOn Duke Cunningham, he gave it up because he knew they have the goods on him. Maybe he’ll give up names, or do less jail time, but he made a strategic decision to come clean. I highly doubt there was a moment of moral clarity, more a fear of not having a soap on a rope when he goes to the slammer.
December 4th, 2005 at 1:49 pmOne thing I’ve never really understood is why BushCo. thinks its a good think to trot out the “upsurge” of violence is a result of looming elections talking point? I mean if the political process were actually working wouldn’t we be seeing a down turn in violence as elections approach and with each new round of elections? Sure there might be some holdouts, but if things were really improving wouldn’t more and more people decide to participate in the political process via elections rather than violence?
December 4th, 2005 at 2:02 pm#51 Morgan,
Oh, I agree with you on that point, but
December 4th, 2005 at 2:09 pmI still think he COULD have played a weasel
game by either not saying anything or
spinning it.
#22, Great link, Flyman — Wow!
December 4th, 2005 at 2:42 pmTraitors? Hang the traitors? We know who are the traitors, and they occupy the White House.
December 4th, 2005 at 2:47 pmI think I will take up knitting, a la Madame Dufarge, and get myself a front row seat – the revolution is coming.
Hadley made the rounds today, all made up and carefully coiffed: he should be covered in soot for all the smoke he was blowing.
December 4th, 2005 at 2:48 pmI almost choked to death on this one.
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/nosepick.htm
December 4th, 2005 at 3:00 pm“indications of progress” seems light years from “in the last throes”. If the consequences of this type of “halo complex” were not so dire it would actually be humorous. But we all know there is nothing funny about this at all. In fact it is all rather tragic and sad for all concerned. Let’s just hope the nightmare ends sooner rather than later.
December 4th, 2005 at 3:04 pmCheney’s in his last throes….
December 4th, 2005 at 3:10 pmFAKE…
FAKE…
DODGE…
SPIN…
Whew, I got out of that one…
From the CLASSIC Republican Strategy…By Karl Rove
Hahahahahahaha….
December 4th, 2005 at 3:17 pm#59 Susan,
December 4th, 2005 at 3:21 pmThat’s all I want for Christmas!
#53 Yeah, you’re right. He could have tried to take his chances with a trial. His contrition speech just seemed self-serving to me. He knows he’s screwed and made a strategic decision to call it quits and plead guilty. He’s a smart guy I think (despite all this), but I think his arrogance got the best of him. They say fighter jocks live on the edge, he did and got caught. At least if he has Rove as a cellmate, he knows who will be who’s bitch.
December 4th, 2005 at 4:31 pmTroll!
Tool!
Brownshirt!
December 4th, 2005 at 5:45 pmI saw this tool box on all three shows and he did not answer one question asked of him and made some pretty ridiculous faces when he was spouting his bs
December 4th, 2005 at 6:25 pmHadley’s a lawyer, what can we expect?
The devil visited a lawyer’s office and made him an offer. “I can arrange some things for you, ” the devil said. “I’ll increase your income five-fold. Your partners will love you; your clients will respect you; you’ll have four months of vacation each year and live to be a hundred. All I require in return is that your wife’s soul, your children’s souls, and their children’s souls rot in hell for eternity.”
The lawyer thought for a moment. “What’s the catch?” he asked.
December 4th, 2005 at 7:55 pmHeres the Story to the Video….
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1128/dailyUpdate.html
London
November 28, 2005
An Iraqi policeman stands near posters for former Iraqi prime minister Iyad Allawi, who is heading the Iraqi National List in next month’s elections.
An Iraqi policeman stands near posters for former Iraqi prime minister Iyad Allawi, who is heading the Iraqi National List in next month’s elections.
Photo: AP
FORMER Iraqi prime minister Iyad Allawi says human rights abuse in the country is as bad, if not worse, than it was under Saddam Hussein.
“People are doing the same as (in) Saddam Hussein’s time and worse, ” Dr Allawi told British Sunday newspaper The Observer.
“These are the precise reasons why we fought Saddam Hussein and now we are seeing the same things.”
Dr Allawi is a secular Shiite and former Baath Party member who is standing in elections scheduled for December 15.
“We are hearing about secret police, secret bunkers where people are being interrogated,” he said, referring to the discovery of a bunker at the Iraqi Interior Ministry where 170 men were held prisoner, beaten and, in some cases, tortured.
“A lot of Iraqis are being tortured or killed in the course of interrogations,” Dr Allawi said, adding that the Interior Ministry was afflicted by a “disease”.
If not cured, it “will become contagious and spread to all ministries and structures of Iraq’s government”.
“The Ministry of the Interior is at the heart of the matter,” Dr Allawi said. “I am not blaming the minister himself, but the rank and file are behind the secret dungeons and some of the executions that are taking place.”
In a further blow to the image of law and order in Iraq, videos appearing to show private security guards in Baghdad shooting people have sparked investigations.
The videos, which first appeared on a website that has been linked unofficially to Aegis Defence Services, show security guards opening fire with automatic rifles on cars. The incidents apparently happened on “route Irish”, a road that links the airport to Baghdad.
The road is regarded as the most dangerous in the world because of the number of suicide attacks and ambushes by insurgents against coalition troops. In one four-month period earlier this year, it was the scene of 150 attacks.
In one of the videos, a Mercedes is fired on at a distance of several hundred metres before it crashes into a taxi. In the last clip, a white car is raked with machine-gun fire as it approaches an unidentified security company vehicle.
A spokesman for Aegis — set up in 2002 by Lieutenant-Colonel Tim Spicer, a former British officer — said the company was investigating the videos with the British Foreign Office.
Aegis is one of the biggest security companies in Iraq. The US Government recently awarded it a £220 million ($A510 million) contract.
Colonel Spicer, 53, rose to prominence in 1998 when his private military company Sandline International was accused of breaking United Nations sanctions by selling arms to Sierra Leone. In 1997, he was deported from Papua New Guinea after an aborted bid to crush the rebel movement in Bougainville.
The video first appeared on http://www.aegisIraq.co.uk. The website states: “This site does not belong to Aegis Defence Ltd, it belongs to the men on the ground who are the heart and soul of the company.” The clips have been removed.
The website also contains a message from Colonel Spicer that reads: “I am concerned about media interest in this site and I remind everyone of their contractual obligation not to speak to or assist the media without clearing it with the project management or Aegis London.”
Captain Adnan Tawfiq, of the Iraqi Interior Ministry, said he had received about 60 claims from families who alleged their relatives were shot by private security contractors.
“When the security companies kill people, they just drive away and nothing is done,” he said. “Sometimes we ring the companies concerned and they deny everything. The families don’t get any money or compensation.”
A spokesman for the British Foreign Office said on Saturday: “This is now a matter for the American authorities because Aegis is under contract to the United States.”
December 4th, 2005 at 8:38 pmDick Cheney and Baghdad Bob – separated at birth.
December 4th, 2005 at 8:55 pmApologies for being on-topic.
Video at http://www.wakahiru-me.com/media/vid/fox/fox_fns_hadley_iraq_051204a.wmv [via http://www.canofun.com
Hadley appears to be even more of a windup-doll than Scotty…
December 5th, 2005 at 12:35 amWhat a surprise, Cheney caught lying, and they still cannot admit it. There should be a Cheney Lie-O-Meter.
December 5th, 2005 at 1:30 am“…we are still making progress…” And we still will be twelve years from now when the last American soldier and mercenary thug is forced to leave. Fortunately, Hadley himself will be put out to pasture considerably before that. What a horse’s ass
December 5th, 2005 at 2:19 amplunger
December 6th, 2005 at 7:13 amI don’t know if you got everything else right but the Michael Ledeen connection is right on the money.
BREAKING NEWS:
ABC/ TIME MAG NEW POLL
7 in 10 Iraqis say their own lives are going well, and nearly two-thirds expect things to improve in the year ahead.
You lost little liberal cowards are on the wrong side of history!
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