Tom Delay can afford dental cosmetic surgery, nice hair dye and even plastic surgery for an eyelid lift…Yet he has fought everytime the minimum wage increase comes to the floor of the House.
Seattle, WA 1
Minneapolis, MN 2
Washington, DC 3
Atlanta, GA 4
San Francisco, CA 5
Denver, CO 6
Boston, MA 7
Pittsburgh, PA 8
Cincinnati, OH 9.5
St. Paul, MN 9.5
Color me not surprised. Also, I bet if you looked at the voting records of the red state cities…..you might find something a little blue about them.
You all crowed loudly when Ronnie Earle indicted Tom DeLay, forcing him to step down as GOP majority leader. You stood by with little or no criticism of Ronnie Earle’s obvious manipulation of the grand jury. If Ken Starr had done the same the howls of protest would have been deafening.
Today the judge threw out the first indictement and issued an opinion casting serious doubt on the validity of the second indictment. Your only comment is that the DeLay trial is going forward. This would have been a good time to educate your readers about Ronnie Earle’s track record, and to point out that, in the past, Ronnie Earle often has folded his tent and voluntarily dismissed his indictment (see Hutchison, Kay Bailey).
This also would have been a good opportunity to point out the dangers of criminalizing political tactics that are used by both parties to win elections. Instead, you omitted all but the briefest comment. How cowardly and hypocritical.
This is the first fulfillment of my prediction that Tom DeLay will be completely exonerated. I don’t think Ronnie Earle will even take this case to trial. Earle has to fear losing his powerful job, given the changing demographics of Travis County. Look for a voluntary dismissal of this case. The other shoe will drop, and hit Ronnie Earle right on the head.
Haven’t you figured it out yet? Democrats are cowards. That’s why they want to cut and run. They are finaling showing their true colors. I too, predict that the other charge will be dropped against Delay. But the damage has been done and don’t expect an apology from these lying bastards.
This is just the tip of the iceberg for DeLay and the rest of his cronies. People lining up to support him are defending corruption and the sell-out of our former democracy. Him, Abramoff, Ney, Libby, Scanlon, Cunnigham. You winguts are supporting crimimals.
“Haven’t you figured it out yet? Democrats are cowards. That’s why they want to cut and run. They are finaling showing their true colors. I too, predict that the other charge will be dropped against Delay. But the damage has been done and don’t expect an apology from these lying bastards.”
Nice trolling. SO, let’s fix your troll post. We will boil down your opinion for you and get rid of the attacks.
“I too, predict that the other charge will be dropped against Delay.”
#15
Give example of multiple cases Earle has dropped
Earle has prosecuted more democrats than republicans, so the partisan charges are bunk.
Delay has been skirting the law for solong, he just skirtedover the line too far this time. I am looking to see more charges inthe future for Mr Delay.
I live in Travis county,the most liberal county in the state. I hope I get called for jury dutyfor this case.
This Just in From A California Garage Sale, apparenty at Richyard Simmons Home, Sold a 10 speed Bi-Sickle to a Certain Tomm DeLayz. In and by itself this is not a news story.
Later, However Tomm Delayz was seen Riding the Bicycle AWAY from Richyard Simmons Resi-dense where upon further inspection the Seat for the Bicycle was found, unused.
The Bicycle was sold only with the seat-Pole. which was not removed before the Sale.
BS News Wire service Contends Mr. Delayz is preparing for his move into what he termed” Da big House”
Very funny, Starfish
Except that if Delay ends up in prison, it will be one of those nice federal pens, unfortunately.
He SHOULD be sent to one, however, where the preprations taken before moving in, as you describe, would be of value.
Very funny, Starfish
Except that if Delay ends up in prison, it will be one of those nice federal pens, unfortunately.
Brings to mind the good Office Space quote: “If we get caught, we’re not going to white-collar resort prison. No, no, no. We’re going to federal POUND ME IN THE ASS prison.”
That’s not what happened today in texas. Clearly you get your news from faux. Go read a real report, and come back and talk to me when you’re literate.
The only difference between Delay & Frist and our friends Bush, Cheney and Rove is that the process has begun on Delay and Frist. Bush, Cheney and Rove will all have their day in court. It will of course be too late to stop them from screwing up our country and alienating us with the rest of the world. But it will be a great day for democracy.
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A judge dismissed a conspiracy charge Monday against Rep. Tom DeLay but refused to throw out the far more serious allegations of money-laundering, dashing the congressman’s hopes for now of reclaiming his post as House majority leader.
Texas Judge Pat Priest, who is presiding over the case against the Republican, issued the ruling after a hearing late last month in which DeLay’s attorney argued that the indictment was fatally flawed.
“The court’s decision to dismiss Ronnie Earle’s numerous charges against Mr. DeLay underscores just how baseless and politically motivated the charges were,” DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said, referring to the Democratic district attorney who brought the case.
Doesn’t money that was laundered have to be from illegal sources in the first place? The donations were obtained legally and so Earle doesn’t have a leg to stand on here. Case dismissed. Nice try democrats but your party still is the party with the culture of corruption. Good night!
“A judge dismissed a conspiracy charge Monday against Rep. Tom DeLay but refused to throw out the far more serious allegations of money-laundering, dashing the congressman’s hopes for now of reclaiming his post as House majority leader.”
The money does not have to be illegal to be laundered. It is illegal in the state of Texas for political campaigns to take money from corporations. So, the company gave $190,000 to the Republican National Convention, who turned around and gave $190,000 to the campaign. That is money laundering. Plain and simple.
They dropped the conspiracy charge because they didn’t have enough evidence to go after anybody else, hence no conspircay.
That means Tom Delay just has to fight it himself.
And Dick Cheney is in Texas tonight attending a fundrasier for his friend, the exterminator.
Honor among thieves.
Those who think that the dismissal of conspiracy charges against Delay means the whole case is bogus are mistaken. If I were they, I wouldn’t be crowing at this time — they might have to eat it.
“The facts of one of the central transactions at issue in the case have never been in dispute — the transfer in September 2002 to an arm of the Republican National Committee in Washington of $190,000 in corporate funds collected by the committee in Texas and the subsequent donation by the RNC arm of $190,000 to seven Texas House candidates on Oct. 4, 2002.”
“This is, no surprise, an untrue statement”
That would be your opinion, not a fact. The trial has not happened yet, nobody knows yet.
“According to the indictment, $190,000 in corporate contributions to TRMPAC were sent to national Republican Party committees, then sent to GOP candidates in the 2002 state legislative races, which solidified Republican control.”
“The indictment charges that DeLay, 58, conspired to have corporate contributions funneled through his political action committee to help Republican state candidates. The $155,000 in funds from companies, including Sears Roebuck, was allegedly handed over from the PAC in a $190,000 check to the Republican National Committee (search), which was also given a list of Texas state House candidates and the sums they were to receive. The indictment included a copy of the check.”
If Tom DeLay runs for re-election in 2006, in general, are you more likely to vote for the Republican candidate Tom DeLay or for the Democratic Party’s candidate for Congress?
DeLay 36
The Democrat 49
Voters’ Opinion of Tom DeLay
Favorable 37
Unfavorable 52
Based on what you have heard or read, do you think the charges against DeLay are definitely true, probably true, probably not true, or definitely not true?
This came from Buzzflash and Daily Kos. If Tom DeLay runs for re-election in 2006, in general, are you more likely to vote for the Republican candidate Tom DeLay or for the Democratic Party’s candidate for Congress?
DeLay 36
The Democrat 49
Voters’ Opinion of Tom DeLay
Favorable 37
Unfavorable 52
Based on what you have heard or read, do you think the charges against DeLay are definitely true, probably true, probably not true, or definitely not true?
Definitely True 15
Probably True 40
Probably False 26
Definitely False 8
To be clear, this is a poll of DeLay’s district, TX-22.
Yeah, they tried to get the laundering tossed out by claiming a check wasn’t “cash”?
I’ll give it to Delay-He’s chewing his own leg off in attempt to get back to his leadership position. He’s got some serious mental peculiarities…
Here’s what happened: Texans for a Republican Majority (TRMPAC) wrote a check for $190,000 of corporate money and sent it the Republican National State Election Committee (RNSEC). In the days before campaign-finance reform at the RNSEC, they had dozens of lawyers and accountants whose sole job it was to make sure that corporate soft money and hard money always stayed in separate accounts. They were watching millions of dollars, trying to figure out where it could be legally used for state elections all over the country.
So TRMPAC sends this check for $190,000 of corporate money to RNSEC, whose lawyers and accountants put it in a separate account for corporate money, which cannot go to state elections in Texas, but which can go to state elections in states like California or Virginia. So they put that $190,000 into an account where it could be distributed to elections in those states.
The money that the RNSEC then distributed to candidates in Texas came out of a different account, which contained hard-money donations from individuals that could be used in Texas races. The whole point of having a RNSEC in the first place is to make these legal transactions for races all over the country. You might not like it. Ronnie Earle doesn’t like it. But that doesn’t make it illegal.
The bottom line is, the corporate money went into one account and RNSEC sent hard money from a separate account back to Texas. That’s not money-laundering. That’s the insane world of campaign-finance regulation.
That’s Tom DeLay’s attorney Dick DeGuerin on the revelation that Travis County district attorney Ronnie Earle, pressed finally to show his evidence now that he has his indictments, does not have the document on which he rested his entire case against DeLay: a list of seven Texas House candidates, which DeLay’s Texas PAC allegedly sent to the RNC with a check and instructions to divide it among the candidates’ 2002 election campaigns
There you go, now you are doing it. You are debating. But you don’t need to post the whole article. The paragrph that makes your side of the arguement is fine.
See it works like this:
Your opinion:
Tom Delay is innocent.
My opinion:
Tom Delay is guilty.
Neither of us will know until after the trial. But thanks for keeping it civil.
The lead sentece in the Austin American-Statesman was powerful and accurate:
“Judge Pat Priest ordered U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay and two co-defendants to be tried next year on charges that they laundered corporate money into political donations during the 2002 elections.”
“He who lives by the hammer, dies . . . . ” Well, you know all that.
If Tom DeLay runs for re-election in 2006, in general, are you more likely to vote for the Republican candidate Tom DeLay or for the Democratic Party’s candidate for Congress?
Tom DeLay 36
The Democrat 49
Voters’ Opinion of Tom DeLay:
Favorable 37
Unfavorable 52
Unfamiliar 11
Based on what you have heard or read, do you think the charges against DeLay are definitely true, probably true, probably not true, or definitely not true?
Delay’s spokesperson’s “sunny” optimism sadly clouds the fact that the smiling weasel Rep. from Texas is on his way
to becoming someone’s house bitch at a maximum security prison.
I hope he had some time to watch HBO’s OZ. He should have no problem learning how not to drop the soap ;)
NR also made the false claim that Earle allowed movie cameras into the grand jury room while it was in session.
Don’t you get tired of the lies, wwallace? Are they like heroine to you?
Delay has already been tried in the court of public opinion. He’s been exposed. His worse crime was having friends who call his constituants “whackos”.
I still email people in Sugarland the story about “whacko”.
Here’s hoping Mr. Evil raises lot’s of money for the weasel Delay. I’m hoping his attorney has to use a wheel barell to get all his cash to the bank. Our great American way for the rich and powerful, steal a bunch and then spend more than stolen to try and stay out of jail. A poor man with the same charges would be in jail this entire time waiting for an attorney, probably loose everything before trial…Here’s hoping an old quote told to me years ago is not true. “There is no justice, only points of law.”…..Blessings
Do all of you trolls know how disgusting you sound defending criminals? It is really sick scanning your posts talking of Delay like he is a victim. You know he is a crook and your defense of him is wrong on many levels.
We are supposed to clean up government and you few just fuel to these criminals to continue. As long as they have a few loyal soldiers who will stand by them no matter what they do, they will not stop their behavior. One wouldn’t raise their children that way – or would they?
I was just going through the dictionary. When you want to say “arrogant-assed dipshit” are you supposed to hyphenate it? Or would “arrogant ass dipshit” sound better?
Correct me if I’m wrong but I couldn’t find “dipshit” in the dictionary, only “dipstick.” I mean, I am sure either would be perfectly appropriate here.
Blue State Red lives in a different information age than the majority of people in this country.
He claims that the judge in the DeLay matter indicated that this money laundering charge was going nowhere. Nothing further from the truth BSR.
By leaving thhis charge in, the judge is saying that the evidence is there, that DeLay was iindeed involved in the money laundering scheme. The harder of the charges to prove would be the conspiracy charge.
However, the feds are looking into his involvement in the re-apportioning in Texas, and the conspiracy committed by DeLay is easy to prove. He made phone calls to the FAA to help locate the democratic members opposing his actions. He is knee deep in that one.
In addition, Scanlon has already given the federal prosecutors information on DeLay showing his involvement in the Abramoff scandal, influence peddling, and the like.
Tom DeLay is as dead as they come. Only 36 percent of the voters in his own district are now supporting him. Where does he go from here – to the junk heap. Maybe back to the exterminating business where he supposedly got rich, which is also a lie. He got rich from graft. Period.
You are dead on, Pablo. He is out and there is no one he can kill or bribe to change it. HA! With his fancy republican judge, that leaves him with less smear tactics. Be careful what you wish for. Freakin’ crook.
“Blue State Red lives in a different information age than the majority of people in this country. He claims that the judge in the DeLay matter indicated that this money laundering charge was going nowhere. Nothing further from the truth BSR. By leaving thhis charge in, the judge is saying that the evidence is there, that DeLay was iindeed involved in the money laundering scheme. The harder of the charges to prove would be the conspiracy charge.”
Not so. The judge didn’t evaluate the evidence – but he did lay out the elements of the charge that Ronnie Earle must now prove. Translating from the legalese, Earle must prove – beyond a reasonable doubt – that (1) all of the parties to the transaction (see #47 above) must have intended to launder campaign money by having it go from the donors to TRMPAC to the RNSEC to the seven congressional candidates in the amounts received; or (2) once TRMPAC received otherwise lawful donations, all the remaining parties to the transaction must have intended to launder money in this way. And, of course, in order to be “laundered” the money must be “dirty” in the first place, which on their face donations to TRMPAC were not. In addition, there is the annoying problem (for Ronnie Earle) that checks were not included as a form of money laundering under Texas law until 2005. It’s tough to see how Ronnie Earle can clear all these hurdles. That’s why I’m predicting a dismissal of this charge.
BTW, these facts are all available to anyone who cares to consult a variety of news sources. No spoonfeeding required.
Here is an excerpt from just one of those sources – the World Peace Herald:
“The charges all stem from a political action committee that Mr. DeLay helped found to assist Republicans in Texas.
“Prosecutors said Mr. DeLay was involved in a conspiracy to take corporate money — the use of which is limited in Texas elections — send it to an arm of the Republican National Committee (RNC) in Washington and have the RNC send back the ‘laundered’ money that could be spent more broadly under Texas law.
“In his 12-page ruling, Judge Priest agreed with Mr. DeLay’s lawyers that Texas law didn’t cover the conspiracy charge in 2002, the time when prosecutors say Mr. DeLay and two co-defendants siphoned $190,000 of corporate money into state elections.
“But Judge Priest said prosecutors can still push charges of money laundering or conspiracy to commit money laundering if they can prove the three men solicited corporate money ‘with the express intent of converting those funds’ for use by Texas candidates or if prosecutors can prove the three men sent corporate money to the Republican National State Elections Committee ‘with an agreement that funds of the same amount’ would be sent back to Texas candidates.
” ‘The money would have become “dirty money” at the point that it began to be held with the prohibited intent,’ the judge wrote.”
The Texas money laundering statute is most commonly used against drug smugglers, and it includes a requirement that the defendant must have received some portion of the illegally laudered money. These are all tough obstacles to a conviction – kind of like the case in which NOW and Planed Parenthood tried to have the RICO racketeer9ing statute applied aginst the free speech activities of abortion protestors. That case was lost, and this case will be lost, too. This is politics, folks – campaign donations are political speech, and are protected by the first amendment.
I must say that the way you are reading this makes you extremely ignorant of the law.
The judge did not evaluate the evidence?
Blue State – that is exactly what he did. You are correct in saying that the money garnered was campaign contributions, however, the money garnered wss to be used in Texas for Texas candidates, not sent to Washington to be used as Tom DeLay and others wanted.
I can admit that Tom DeLay plays hardball with the best of them, including any number of Texas Democrats who have employed the very same fundraising tactic. And you had better hope that Ronnie Earle wins this case, because hell hath no fury like a Hammer scorned.
The beginning of The End.
December 5th, 2005 at 5:50 pmBug Man Delay may have been the first, but he’s far from the last of the corrupt GOP to fall.
December 5th, 2005 at 6:00 pmThe beginning of the beginning you mean?
December 5th, 2005 at 6:01 pmthere is a whole lot more.
So what is the whole story on this?
December 5th, 2005 at 6:23 pmFrogmarch
December 5th, 2005 at 6:28 pmA whole parade of FROGMARCH
December 5th, 2005 at 6:29 pmThat’s what I like to hear.
December 5th, 2005 at 6:32 pmThe judge refuses to throw out the more serious charges
December 5th, 2005 at 6:37 pmof money laundering. HeHe
Chapter One: Delay, Libby, Scanlon, Abramoff, Cunningham
December 5th, 2005 at 6:50 pmChapter Two: Rove, Cheney, Bush
Chapter Three: House Majority (all of them)
Josh over at TPM has an interesting comment
on whether DeLay can survive a trial even
if he wins eventually.
Link to TPM
December 5th, 2005 at 7:13 pmGOODIE–He’s going down
December 5th, 2005 at 7:25 pmThis is what Tom Delay had to say about increasing the amount of money in the House of Representatives.
Remember, this is the same man who fights tooth and nail against a minimum wage increase every time one comes to the floor of the House.
(Begin)
“It’s not a pay raise,” said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas. “It’s an adjustment so that they’re not losing their purchasing power.”
(End)
He also argued how much the House members sacrifice and that is why they deserve a raise..Some members, Delay said “have two houses to pay for”.
December 5th, 2005 at 7:35 pmTom Delay can afford dental cosmetic surgery, nice hair dye and even plastic surgery for an eyelid lift…Yet he has fought everytime the minimum wage increase comes to the floor of the House.
You can’t get any worse than him.
-GSD
December 5th, 2005 at 7:37 pmTHE TOP TEN MOST LITERATE CITIES IN U.S.
An ocean of blue, with a few red specks.
Seattle, WA 1
Minneapolis, MN 2
Washington, DC 3
Atlanta, GA 4
San Francisco, CA 5
Denver, CO 6
Boston, MA 7
Pittsburgh, PA 8
Cincinnati, OH 9.5
St. Paul, MN 9.5
Color me not surprised. Also, I bet if you looked at the voting records of the red state cities…..you might find something a little blue about them.
-GSD
December 5th, 2005 at 8:07 pmYou all crowed loudly when Ronnie Earle indicted Tom DeLay, forcing him to step down as GOP majority leader. You stood by with little or no criticism of Ronnie Earle’s obvious manipulation of the grand jury. If Ken Starr had done the same the howls of protest would have been deafening.
Today the judge threw out the first indictement and issued an opinion casting serious doubt on the validity of the second indictment. Your only comment is that the DeLay trial is going forward. This would have been a good time to educate your readers about Ronnie Earle’s track record, and to point out that, in the past, Ronnie Earle often has folded his tent and voluntarily dismissed his indictment (see Hutchison, Kay Bailey).
This also would have been a good opportunity to point out the dangers of criminalizing political tactics that are used by both parties to win elections. Instead, you omitted all but the briefest comment. How cowardly and hypocritical.
This is the first fulfillment of my prediction that Tom DeLay will be completely exonerated. I don’t think Ronnie Earle will even take this case to trial. Earle has to fear losing his powerful job, given the changing demographics of Travis County. Look for a voluntary dismissal of this case. The other shoe will drop, and hit Ronnie Earle right on the head.
December 5th, 2005 at 8:09 pmBlue,
Haven’t you figured it out yet? Democrats are cowards. That’s why they want to cut and run. They are finaling showing their true colors. I too, predict that the other charge will be dropped against Delay. But the damage has been done and don’t expect an apology from these lying bastards.
December 5th, 2005 at 8:16 pmThis is just the tip of the iceberg for DeLay and the rest of his cronies. People lining up to support him are defending corruption and the sell-out of our former democracy. Him, Abramoff, Ney, Libby, Scanlon, Cunnigham. You winguts are supporting crimimals.
December 5th, 2005 at 8:25 pmYou know it Morgan.
December 5th, 2005 at 8:36 pmThings are coming at DeLay and the rest
from many directions.
The Abramoff thing could be HUGE.
BSR is back!
“This is the first fulfillment of my prediction that Tom DeLay will be completely exonerated.”
From which investigation? You know he is tied up in the Abramoff scandal and the Cunningham scandal also right?
December 5th, 2005 at 8:39 pm“Haven’t you figured it out yet? Democrats are cowards. That’s why they want to cut and run. They are finaling showing their true colors. I too, predict that the other charge will be dropped against Delay. But the damage has been done and don’t expect an apology from these lying bastards.”
Nice trolling. SO, let’s fix your troll post. We will boil down your opinion for you and get rid of the attacks.
“I too, predict that the other charge will be dropped against Delay.”
There you go, post that next time.
Then we will follow up with something like:
“Well, we think he is guilty as sin.”
Okay, your turn.
December 5th, 2005 at 8:41 pm#15
Give example of multiple cases Earle has dropped
Earle has prosecuted more democrats than republicans, so the partisan charges are bunk.
Delay has been skirting the law for solong, he just skirtedover the line too far this time. I am looking to see more charges inthe future for Mr Delay.
I live in Travis county,the most liberal county in the state. I hope I get called for jury dutyfor this case.
December 5th, 2005 at 8:53 pmNEWS:BS_NEWS_WIRE_SERVICE
This Just in From A California Garage Sale, apparenty at Richyard Simmons Home, Sold a 10 speed Bi-Sickle to a Certain Tomm DeLayz. In and by itself this is not a news story.
Later, However Tomm Delayz was seen Riding the Bicycle AWAY from Richyard Simmons Resi-dense where upon further inspection the Seat for the Bicycle was found, unused.
The Bicycle was sold only with the seat-Pole. which was not removed before the Sale.
BS News Wire service Contends Mr. Delayz is preparing for his move into what he termed” Da big House”
Stay Tuned…
December 5th, 2005 at 8:53 pmTomita Browneye Delay
December 5th, 2005 at 9:04 pmVery funny, Starfish
December 5th, 2005 at 9:05 pmExcept that if Delay ends up in prison, it will be one of those nice federal pens, unfortunately.
He SHOULD be sent to one, however, where the preprations taken before moving in, as you describe, would be of value.
Very funny, Starfish
Except that if Delay ends up in prison, it will be one of those nice federal pens, unfortunately.
Brings to mind the good Office Space quote: “If we get caught, we’re not going to white-collar resort prison. No, no, no. We’re going to federal POUND ME IN THE ASS prison.”
December 5th, 2005 at 9:11 pmBSR,
That’s not what happened today in texas. Clearly you get your news from faux. Go read a real report, and come back and talk to me when you’re literate.
December 5th, 2005 at 9:11 pmI wont believe anything until it happens.
December 5th, 2005 at 9:17 pmI have no Predictments.
The only difference between Delay & Frist and our friends Bush, Cheney and Rove is that the process has begun on Delay and Frist. Bush, Cheney and Rove will all have their day in court. It will of course be too late to stop them from screwing up our country and alienating us with the rest of the world. But it will be a great day for democracy.
December 5th, 2005 at 9:37 pmThe pugs are getting restless. There are a few that think DeLay is “baggage”. They are not speaking publically because they are afraid. (What sissy’s)
If these particular pugs had any balls they’d swoop in and take DeLays power. (Too stupid though)
I’m satisfied with money laundering. That should put him out of business.
Impeach Bush and Cheney for supporting the criminal. (Tom DeLay)
December 5th, 2005 at 9:38 pmFrom CNN.com
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A judge dismissed a conspiracy charge Monday against Rep. Tom DeLay but refused to throw out the far more serious allegations of money-laundering, dashing the congressman’s hopes for now of reclaiming his post as House majority leader.
Texas Judge Pat Priest, who is presiding over the case against the Republican, issued the ruling after a hearing late last month in which DeLay’s attorney argued that the indictment was fatally flawed.
“The court’s decision to dismiss Ronnie Earle’s numerous charges against Mr. DeLay underscores just how baseless and politically motivated the charges were,” DeLay spokesman Kevin Madden said, referring to the Democratic district attorney who brought the case.
Doesn’t money that was laundered have to be from illegal sources in the first place? The donations were obtained legally and so Earle doesn’t have a leg to stand on here. Case dismissed. Nice try democrats but your party still is the party with the culture of corruption. Good night!
December 5th, 2005 at 9:53 pm#30
“A judge dismissed a conspiracy charge Monday against Rep. Tom DeLay but refused to throw out the far more serious allegations of money-laundering, dashing the congressman’s hopes for now of reclaiming his post as House majority leader.”
The money does not have to be illegal to be laundered. It is illegal in the state of Texas for political campaigns to take money from corporations. So, the company gave $190,000 to the Republican National Convention, who turned around and gave $190,000 to the campaign. That is money laundering. Plain and simple.
They dropped the conspiracy charge because they didn’t have enough evidence to go after anybody else, hence no conspircay.
That means Tom Delay just has to fight it himself.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:05 pmThis is, no surprise, an untrue statement:
December 5th, 2005 at 10:08 pm
And Dick Cheney is in Texas tonight attending a fundrasier for his friend, the exterminator.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:09 pmHonor among thieves.
Those who think that the dismissal of conspiracy charges against Delay means the whole case is bogus are mistaken. If I were they, I wouldn’t be crowing at this time — they might have to eat it.
Washington Post
Spetember 29,2005
DeLay Indicted in Texas Finance Probe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/28/AR2005092800270.html
“The facts of one of the central transactions at issue in the case have never been in dispute — the transfer in September 2002 to an arm of the Republican National Committee in Washington of $190,000 in corporate funds collected by the committee in Texas and the subsequent donation by the RNC arm of $190,000 to seven Texas House candidates on Oct. 4, 2002.”
“This is, no surprise, an untrue statement”
That would be your opinion, not a fact. The trial has not happened yet, nobody knows yet.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:13 pmCNN
September 29,2005
DeLay indicted, steps down as majority leader
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/28/delay.indict/
“According to the indictment, $190,000 in corporate contributions to TRMPAC were sent to national Republican Party committees, then sent to GOP candidates in the 2002 state legislative races, which solidified Republican control.”
December 5th, 2005 at 10:14 pmHere’s even one from your side:
Foxs News
September 29,2005
Tom DeLay Steps Down From Leadership Post After Indictment
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,170681,00.html
“The indictment charges that DeLay, 58, conspired to have corporate contributions funneled through his political action committee to help Republican state candidates. The $155,000 in funds from companies, including Sears Roebuck, was allegedly handed over from the PAC in a $190,000 check to the Republican National Committee (search), which was also given a list of Texas state House candidates and the sums they were to receive. The indictment included a copy of the check.”
December 5th, 2005 at 10:16 pmThe one from Fox News (your guys) even states:
“The indictment included a copy of the check.”
That check must be untrue also eh?
December 5th, 2005 at 10:18 pmFrom Kos(in Delay’s district):
Gallup. 12/1-4. MoE 4%. (No trend lines)
If Tom DeLay runs for re-election in 2006, in general, are you more likely to vote for the Republican candidate Tom DeLay or for the Democratic Party’s candidate for Congress?
DeLay 36
The Democrat 49
Voters’ Opinion of Tom DeLay
Favorable 37
Unfavorable 52
Based on what you have heard or read, do you think the charges against DeLay are definitely true, probably true, probably not true, or definitely not true?
Definitely True 15
December 5th, 2005 at 10:19 pmProbably True 40
Probably False 26
Definitely False 8
Average TV Viewer,
Post link please.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:20 pmThis came from Buzzflash and Daily Kos.
If Tom DeLay runs for re-election in 2006, in general, are you more likely to vote for the Republican candidate Tom DeLay or for the Democratic Party’s candidate for Congress?
DeLay 36
The Democrat 49
Voters’ Opinion of Tom DeLay
Favorable 37
Unfavorable 52
Based on what you have heard or read, do you think the charges against DeLay are definitely true, probably true, probably not true, or definitely not true?
Definitely True 15
Probably True 40
Probably False 26
Definitely False 8
To be clear, this is a poll of DeLay’s district, TX-22.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:22 pmYeah, they tried to get the laundering tossed out by claiming a check wasn’t “cash”?
December 5th, 2005 at 10:22 pmI’ll give it to Delay-He’s chewing his own leg off in attempt to get back to his leadership position. He’s got some serious mental peculiarities…
Spudge, which is it, $155,000 or $190,000? Make up your mind. You first said both figures were $190,000, but then your story changed.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:24 pm#38, ATV — So sorry — I must have been reading Buzz while you were posting the same note. I didn’t see yours.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:24 pm“The judge believes money laundering took place. It’s just a matter of the prosecuter proving it.”
-From NPR today(sorry folks, no time to search link-All things considered. Nighty night!)
December 5th, 2005 at 10:28 pmUmmmmm, that is quoted from an article from Foxs News. They need to make up their mind.
But, all you have to do is look at the check that is included in the original indictment and you would know the amount is $190,00.
http://news.findlaw.com/wp/docs/delay/delay92805ind.pdf
If you are going to defend someone, you should have more information than the people against them.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:29 pmATV and Marie, thanks for those stats.
I wonder if Moveon’s billboards have something to do with DeLays decline in his own district. I hope so.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:30 pmhttp://media.nationalreview.com/078099.asp
December 5th, 2005 at 10:39 pmhttp://media.nationalreview.com/079692.asp
December 5th, 2005 at 10:40 pmThere you go, now you are doing it. You are debating. But you don’t need to post the whole article. The paragrph that makes your side of the arguement is fine.
See it works like this:
Your opinion:
Tom Delay is innocent.
My opinion:
Tom Delay is guilty.
Neither of us will know until after the trial. But thanks for keeping it civil.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:43 pmTom DeLay is guilty of raising campaign money, just like every other politician in America.
Ronnie Earle is pretty clearly guilty of prosecutorial misconduct.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:46 pmOkay, now me.
Tom Delay is guilty of Money Laundering and Ronnie Earle is doing an excellent job of bringing one of the most powerful Republicans to Justice.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:52 pmSo you reject the American principle of “innocent until proven guilty” then.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:53 pmI don’t reject the American principal. I just think it really exists.
Ever get a traffic ticket? You are guilty until proven innocent.
But, I can see you are going to start your attacks now, so I am goin gto leave you be. Thanks for the Delay debate.
December 5th, 2005 at 10:57 pmSpudge, I didn’t attack anyone. Why lie?
December 5th, 2005 at 10:58 pmAll the latest Delay and Abramoff news, documents and background are available at:
“The Delay Papers.”
December 5th, 2005 at 11:03 pmYou
“Spudge, I didn’t attack anyone. Why lie?”
Me
“But, I can see you are going to start your attacks now, so I am goin gto leave you be.”
Reading comprehension.
“start your attacks now”
DOES NOT mean you HAVE attacked someone. It DOES mean you WILL attack someone.
I don’t need that someone to be me, so I am lettin gyou be. Get it?
December 5th, 2005 at 11:11 pm“The Delay Papers”
Is that a brand of toilet paper?
December 5th, 2005 at 11:38 pmwwallace-
Aren’t you the same wwallace that got booted off the freeper site? Gotta be pretty pathetic to be ejected from your own kind.
sad little man(?)
December 5th, 2005 at 11:40 pmSusan,
December 5th, 2005 at 11:44 pmNo but it describes what is applied to the product befor its flushed.
Looks like there will be no delay for Delay.
that was pretty bad, wasn’t it?
December 6th, 2005 at 12:32 amThe lead sentece in the Austin American-Statesman was powerful and accurate:
“Judge Pat Priest ordered U.S. Rep. Tom DeLay and two co-defendants to be tried next year on charges that they laundered corporate money into political donations during the 2002 elections.”
“He who lives by the hammer, dies . . . . ” Well, you know all that.
December 6th, 2005 at 12:37 amPoll from Tom Delay’s district:
CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. 803 Adults (713 Registered Voters). December 1-4, 2005. MoE +/- 4%
If Tom DeLay runs for re-election in 2006, in general, are you more likely to vote for the Republican candidate Tom DeLay or for the Democratic Party’s candidate for Congress?
Tom DeLay 36
The Democrat 49
Voters’ Opinion of Tom DeLay:
Favorable 37
Unfavorable 52
Unfamiliar 11
Based on what you have heard or read, do you think the charges against DeLay are definitely true, probably true, probably not true, or definitely not true?
Definitely True 15
December 6th, 2005 at 2:33 amProbably True 40
Probably False 26
Definitely False 8
Delay’s spokesperson’s “sunny” optimism sadly clouds the fact that the smiling weasel Rep. from Texas is on his way
to becoming someone’s house bitch at a maximum security prison.
I hope he had some time to watch HBO’s OZ. He should have no problem learning how not to drop the soap ;)
December 6th, 2005 at 3:10 amNR also made the false claim that Earle allowed movie cameras into the grand jury room while it was in session.
December 6th, 2005 at 6:35 amDon’t you get tired of the lies, wwallace? Are they like heroine to you?
Delay has already been tried in the court of public opinion. He’s been exposed. His worse crime was having friends who call his constituants “whackos”.
I still email people in Sugarland the story about “whacko”.
December 6th, 2005 at 6:39 amHere’s hoping Mr. Evil raises lot’s of money for the weasel Delay. I’m hoping his attorney has to use a wheel barell to get all his cash to the bank. Our great American way for the rich and powerful, steal a bunch and then spend more than stolen to try and stay out of jail. A poor man with the same charges would be in jail this entire time waiting for an attorney, probably loose everything before trial…Here’s hoping an old quote told to me years ago is not true. “There is no justice, only points of law.”…..Blessings
December 6th, 2005 at 7:05 amDo all of you trolls know how disgusting you sound defending criminals? It is really sick scanning your posts talking of Delay like he is a victim. You know he is a crook and your defense of him is wrong on many levels.
We are supposed to clean up government and you few just fuel to these criminals to continue. As long as they have a few loyal soldiers who will stand by them no matter what they do, they will not stop their behavior. One wouldn’t raise their children that way – or would they?
December 6th, 2005 at 8:57 amI was just going through the dictionary. When you want to say “arrogant-assed dipshit” are you supposed to hyphenate it? Or would “arrogant ass dipshit” sound better?
Correct me if I’m wrong but I couldn’t find “dipshit” in the dictionary, only “dipstick.” I mean, I am sure either would be perfectly appropriate here.
December 6th, 2005 at 9:04 amI don’t think the grammer matters as much as much as the context, Joe.
So, it’ll work either way!
December 6th, 2005 at 9:18 amBlue State Red lives in a different information age than the majority of people in this country.
He claims that the judge in the DeLay matter indicated that this money laundering charge was going nowhere. Nothing further from the truth BSR.
By leaving thhis charge in, the judge is saying that the evidence is there, that DeLay was iindeed involved in the money laundering scheme. The harder of the charges to prove would be the conspiracy charge.
However, the feds are looking into his involvement in the re-apportioning in Texas, and the conspiracy committed by DeLay is easy to prove. He made phone calls to the FAA to help locate the democratic members opposing his actions. He is knee deep in that one.
In addition, Scanlon has already given the federal prosecutors information on DeLay showing his involvement in the Abramoff scandal, influence peddling, and the like.
Tom DeLay is as dead as they come. Only 36 percent of the voters in his own district are now supporting him. Where does he go from here – to the junk heap. Maybe back to the exterminating business where he supposedly got rich, which is also a lie. He got rich from graft. Period.
December 6th, 2005 at 10:23 amYou are dead on, Pablo. He is out and there is no one he can kill or bribe to change it. HA! With his fancy republican judge, that leaves him with less smear tactics. Be careful what you wish for. Freakin’ crook.
December 6th, 2005 at 10:51 amThey got dick Cheney on msnbc right now. I had to shut it off, I allmost Puked.
December 6th, 2005 at 12:00 pmThey are getting too much News Coverage!
wwallace, by this time in Clinton’s trial, he was already guilty and Congress was drawing up impeachment papers.
Too bad for Republicans they can’t actually have two sets of rules: one for them, one for everyone else. They can only pretend they do for a while.
December 6th, 2005 at 12:20 pmI used this entry on the blog for my Gov/Econ class. Think Progress is a great resource!
December 6th, 2005 at 12:44 pm“Blue State Red lives in a different information age than the majority of people in this country. He claims that the judge in the DeLay matter indicated that this money laundering charge was going nowhere. Nothing further from the truth BSR. By leaving thhis charge in, the judge is saying that the evidence is there, that DeLay was iindeed involved in the money laundering scheme. The harder of the charges to prove would be the conspiracy charge.”
Not so. The judge didn’t evaluate the evidence – but he did lay out the elements of the charge that Ronnie Earle must now prove. Translating from the legalese, Earle must prove – beyond a reasonable doubt – that (1) all of the parties to the transaction (see #47 above) must have intended to launder campaign money by having it go from the donors to TRMPAC to the RNSEC to the seven congressional candidates in the amounts received; or (2) once TRMPAC received otherwise lawful donations, all the remaining parties to the transaction must have intended to launder money in this way. And, of course, in order to be “laundered” the money must be “dirty” in the first place, which on their face donations to TRMPAC were not. In addition, there is the annoying problem (for Ronnie Earle) that checks were not included as a form of money laundering under Texas law until 2005. It’s tough to see how Ronnie Earle can clear all these hurdles. That’s why I’m predicting a dismissal of this charge.
BTW, these facts are all available to anyone who cares to consult a variety of news sources. No spoonfeeding required.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:31 pmHere is an excerpt from just one of those sources – the World Peace Herald:
“The charges all stem from a political action committee that Mr. DeLay helped found to assist Republicans in Texas.
“Prosecutors said Mr. DeLay was involved in a conspiracy to take corporate money — the use of which is limited in Texas elections — send it to an arm of the Republican National Committee (RNC) in Washington and have the RNC send back the ‘laundered’ money that could be spent more broadly under Texas law.
“In his 12-page ruling, Judge Priest agreed with Mr. DeLay’s lawyers that Texas law didn’t cover the conspiracy charge in 2002, the time when prosecutors say Mr. DeLay and two co-defendants siphoned $190,000 of corporate money into state elections.
“But Judge Priest said prosecutors can still push charges of money laundering or conspiracy to commit money laundering if they can prove the three men solicited corporate money ‘with the express intent of converting those funds’ for use by Texas candidates or if prosecutors can prove the three men sent corporate money to the Republican National State Elections Committee ‘with an agreement that funds of the same amount’ would be sent back to Texas candidates.
” ‘The money would have become “dirty money” at the point that it began to be held with the prohibited intent,’ the judge wrote.”
The Texas money laundering statute is most commonly used against drug smugglers, and it includes a requirement that the defendant must have received some portion of the illegally laudered money. These are all tough obstacles to a conviction – kind of like the case in which NOW and Planed Parenthood tried to have the RICO racketeer9ing statute applied aginst the free speech activities of abortion protestors. That case was lost, and this case will be lost, too. This is politics, folks – campaign donations are political speech, and are protected by the first amendment.
December 6th, 2005 at 3:13 pmBLUE STATE RED
I must say that the way you are reading this makes you extremely ignorant of the law.
The judge did not evaluate the evidence?
Blue State – that is exactly what he did. You are correct in saying that the money garnered was campaign contributions, however, the money garnered wss to be used in Texas for Texas candidates, not sent to Washington to be used as Tom DeLay and others wanted.
You just cant admit the man is filthy, can you?
December 6th, 2005 at 3:53 pm“You just cant admit the man is filthy, can you?”
I can admit that Tom DeLay plays hardball with the best of them, including any number of Texas Democrats who have employed the very same fundraising tactic. And you had better hope that Ronnie Earle wins this case, because hell hath no fury like a Hammer scorned.
December 6th, 2005 at 6:34 pma loser is a conservative in a liberal thread complaining that we discuss issues from a liberal point of view.
December 6th, 2005 at 7:37 pmhbo’s oz
I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read.
March 15th, 2008 at 2:05 amLissette
A friend is someone who sees through you and still enjoys the view.
April 10th, 2008 at 10:21 pmWild Bill
Please contact me.
April 11th, 2008 at 12:13 am