Alito: The Christmas Candidate
The right’s latest campaign to build public support for Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito? Convincing you he’s the Christmas candidate.
The right-wing Commitee for Justice yesterday began airing a radio ad in Colorado, Wisconsin, and West Virginia, trying to convince conservatives that he will lead the fight against the so-called “War on Christmas.” As slingshot.org notes, the Committee was formed at the behest of Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) and Karl Rove to funnel business money into the Supreme Court fight. From the ad:
It’s the season when Americans celebrate our traditions of faith … and once again religious freedom is under assault. … Some courts and judges have supported this radical agenda, but not Judge Sam Alito, President Bush’s nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court. Throughout his career, Judge Alito has consistently upheld the Constitution’s protection of free religious expression. [Listen to the ad here]
Right-winger Jay Sekulow, who has helped the White House with its Supreme Court nominee strategy and chief counsel at the American Center for Law and Justice, has created his own Christmas resource center and hints that more ads pairing Alito and Christmas and attacking Alito’s critics as “anti-God” may be forthcoming:
This is going to be the dominant theme on the Alito nomination until the end of the year-the convergence of a Supreme Court nomination, the Christmas season, and a judge who has a well-staked-out position on support for religious expression.
Evidently the “well qualified” conservative argument wasn’t working well.
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December 6th, 2005 at 1:11 pmAll I want for Christmas is to see Impeachment Proceedings Started!
December 6th, 2005 at 1:12 pmThis war was a fabrication of the GOP and propagated on Fox. I haven’t seen one person on TP defend “Holiday Tree” terminology.
danny k, we know what you think about judges:
““Alito is against race based preferences like affirmative action - like most of America is. That is a good thing.â€
“Bush can appoint Condi to VP and try to “heal†the country. The first female and black VP - major achievementâ€
-danny k
December 6th, 2005 at 1:15 pm“Religious freedom is underassault”? Last i checked, people can still celebrate their religion any way they want. Nobobody is trying to put an end to Christmas or your ability to celebrate.
The only thing in danger is the self-righteous ego of the radical Christian right and their sense of superiority.
If anyone thinks that saying “Happy Holidays” is a danger to Christmas or religious freedom then they are sick and deluded. Christmas is a holiday. It is supposed to be a time of peace on earth and goodwill towards mankind. I see none of this coming from those fighting to defend Chritmas. All I see is their inability to reconcile their corporate loyalty with their desire to see their religion pushed on everyone else.
p.s. Right-wingers…Hanukkah is also on the 25th.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:16 pmAll I want for Christmas is to see Impeachment Proceedings Started!
December 6th, 2005 at 1:17 pmRove is making a mistake a showcasing his schizophrenia. -Intelligent Design is junk already and only last month it was being pushed as policy.
-Delay calls Christians “Whackos”.
Does Rove really want this fight?
December 6th, 2005 at 1:19 pmFreedom,
You will be waiting a long time then. Who, besides the mouse in your pocket are going to start the impeachment proceedings? There really are a lot of leftist whackos here aren’t there? Here’s a lump of coal instead, thats what you deserve and will get.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:25 pm#7: LHA - well, given the cost of heating fuel and gas, a lump of coal would be nice present…! As for “liberal whackos” - I haven’t met one yet - but, I’ve had to deal with plenty of right-wing nutjobs. The difference? Liberals/moderates don’t see a “war on Christmas” and think this whole thing is silly, the right-wing nutjobs are so insecure in their personal religious beliefs that they have to project them on to the rest of society.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:31 pmwin elections and maybe you can pick the next candidate.
Count the votes honestly and we will win elections.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:33 pm#8 - actually, if tested in a poll, most people would favor calling a Christmas tree what it is. Americans hate the radical, left-wing pc agenda that liberals have been pushing for years.
AND as for b*tching about oil and gas prices, let’s drill domestically then and get our own oil. Of course we can go to war for oil too. Wait - neither of those sound good to you - then please STFU about high prices!~!!!
December 6th, 2005 at 1:35 pmOn a side (OT) note - Fox News reported (last night) that a number of mega-churches will be CLOSED on Christmas day (boo hoo) - seems that employees at these churches want to spend more time with their families. So, who’s to blame for this? I’d assume that someone who works for these mega-churches is religious - so…. that’s a gotcha.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:36 pmThanks mrtimPA. LHA IS Uncle SCROOGE McDuck
December 6th, 2005 at 1:38 pmactually, if tested in a poll, most people would favor calling a Christmas tree what it is.
And in my experience, that includes liberals. This war on christmas is a fiction.
What’s next? If you are caught saying Happy Holidays, you go to jail for violating religious freedom?
December 6th, 2005 at 1:40 pmthose Mega Churches Are Evil.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:40 pmIt must be dissapointing to have to “package”
December 6th, 2005 at 1:42 pma SCOTUS candidate as a holiday supporter, but
it seems they will have to stay aware from
the rest of his record since he seems to have
issues with consistency (a kind way to talk
about his record on job applications, and recusal).
Mega Churches are where all the FINE bitches go. Hungry for salvation! mmm good!
December 6th, 2005 at 1:43 pmAND as for b*tching about oil and gas prices, let’s drill domestically then and get our own oil. Of course we can go to war for oil too.
We can increase supply 1%, or we can increase our energy efficiency 20% with technology that exists today. We can also develop new technology. Oh, neither option sounds good to you, so STFU about energy prices until you’re willing to do something real about it.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:44 pm#10 - I never suggested calling a Christmas tree something else - but, if some want to call it a holiday tree, more power to them. That the actual tree, etc aren’t Christian doesn’t seem to matter to folks hell-bent on waging this “war on Christmas”.
And - I wasn’t bitching about high oil and gas prices - I was noting that since prices were high, a lump of coal could be considered a good present. Geez - who peed in your Cherrios? If you think that drilling for oil domestically will solve anything, you’re mistaken - reserves proven or suspected wouldn’t begin to address this country’s energy demands. Coal, on the other hand (see above) IS a great resource as are agro (corn/etc) products.
As for the “STFU” part - I didn’t say anything to provoke such a reaction, so please calm down.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:45 pm#8 - actually, if tested in a poll, most people would favor calling a Christmas tree what it is. Americans hate the radical, left-wing pc agenda that liberals have been pushing for years.
AND as for b*tching about oil and gas prices, let’s drill domestically then and get our own oil. Of course we can go to war for oil too. Wait - neither of those sound good to you - then please STFU about high prices!~!!!
Comment by danny k
AND as for b*tching about oil and gas prices, let’s drill domestically then and get our own oil. Of course we can go to war for oil too.
We can increase supply 1%, or we can increase our energy efficiency 20% with technology that exists today. We can also develop new technology. Oh, neither option sounds good to you, so STFU about energy prices until you’re willing to do something real about it.
Comment by cynical ex-hippie
December 6th, 2005 at 1:49 pmSounds to me that dannyk and cynical exhippie are posting the same exact words.
Alito is Santa?
I’ve been bad, don’t bring me anything.
By the way, I decided to say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas to all the clients tromping through my office. No one has acted offended yet, probably because they are decent people (unlike BO), but it could be because I have a Jewish last name and they don’t want to offend me! People are so cute!
December 6th, 2005 at 1:50 pmSTFU Dannk/cynical ex bitch
December 6th, 2005 at 1:51 pmGo TO HEll Dannk/Ex Cynical Hippie!
December 6th, 2005 at 1:54 pmAnd Stop Stealing My Nations OIL!
Go TO HEll, Dannyk/Ex Cynical Hippie!
December 6th, 2005 at 1:55 pmAnd Stop Stealing My Nations OIL!
Zoo - I don’t think Happy Holidays is the same as calling a Christmas tree, a holiday tree. Saying happy holidays is a statement to include all the holidays of the season. Saying holiday tree is just plain stupid. It’s not a holiday tree. It is, IN FACT, a Christmas tree.
As for the right-wingers going nuts, just call it a Christmas tree and this issue goes away. But, the left won’t do that.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:56 pmZoo: Aww… I’ll send you a lump of valuable coal that I was offered…:) As for my greetings to people, I’ve always said “Happy Holidays” since the “season” includes New Years (which is also a holiday). When it comes to that actual day when I visit with family, I’ll usually say “Merry Christmas” … it’s all pretty simple.
It seems that it’s only the right-wing “nutjobs” who see a “war” in everything.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:58 pm#7
“leftist whackos”
Sorry, the term whackos means any religious that would back republican policy. We on the left didn’t coin the term. Your buddies Jack Abramoff and Michael Scanlon did when they conversed with Tom Dealy.
Get you trolling right.
December 6th, 2005 at 1:59 pmWell we can see our rovian “base” here at TP has bought the phaux argument that progressives want to supress christmas. Excuse me, but did any of you happen to see yesterdays thread: Bush War on Christmas? You may want to look it over before you put your foot in your mouth. It seems from the comments that most progressives here don’t have any problem at all with christmas.
What is it with these rovian mental midgets? Don’t you remember what you read or say from 1 minute to the next? Why do you try to make Don Quihote crusades against others you disagree with. (for the literally impared: You make an untrue claim about your adversaries positions, then try to rally around countering a position that your adversaries don’t hold to)
December 6th, 2005 at 2:00 pm#24
“Saying happy holidays is a statement to include all the holidays of the season.”
Can you e-mail that over to your buddy Bil O’Rielly, so he will STFU?
December 6th, 2005 at 2:01 pmKindness - have you ever thought that maybe your boys O’Lielly and John Gibson are baiting you? You people go nuts over shit like this. It’s not a big deal - your reaction is.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:02 pmLet’s take the argument that moderates or liberals that oppose Ailto are anti-god, the question still remains, what does Alito believe? What is his judical philoshpy? Where does he believe the courts end and congress begins in regards to law? What does he feel is the right to privacy? How much power, does he believe, that the POTUS can and legally have? Corporate power? Where does it end and rights of citizens begin?
Dear Conservatives, this anti-god stuff is a red herring and non-sequitar. Please, just because further on the right religious right wing groups make this stuff, you don’t have to believe it or fall for it either.
The debate is about what he believes, not what his critics believe.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:03 pm#30
“You people go nuts over shit like this.”
Then can you tell your boy Bill O’Reilly to STFU. He is making the noise for the administartion. Tell him to stop being a tool.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:05 pmThis is a ridiculous fight for Alito…what about the other 364 days - america agrees that a Christmas tree is just that (from left to right) just like a wreath is a wreath, holly is holly and a menorah is a menorah - they are fighting a fake fight, where the nominee agrees with mainstream america!!
December 6th, 2005 at 2:05 pmLets argue ALL of the other points where he sees a much more narrow view of Rights & Liberties than most Americans feel
Danny: fine - let’s call it a Christmas tree - whatever. I’d guess most Americans really don’t care either - it’s certain right-wing nutballs who are making an issue over it. The “hidden” agenda is not over what they’re calling the “tree” but over other public displays which might be overtly Christian. They attack the “tree” because it’s the most visible icon of Christmas. The funny part is - I’ll bet those who actually put out those “baby jesus” displays haven’t looked at the tags on them - “Made in China”… And like some K-Mart purchased “display” is special. Sheesh. Get with the spirit of the holiday - be it pagan or religious.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:06 pmAlito comes to mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebenezer_Scrooge
December 6th, 2005 at 2:06 pm“have you ever thought that maybe your boys O’Lielly and John Gibson are baiting you?”
Although I do find it funny that you are calling Bill O’Rielly our guy. Does that mean the republicans are distancing themselves from this idiot? I sure hope so, because then he would go away.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:06 pm#32
“they are fighting a fake fight,”
Chris in AZ,
Yes, next up on the political battle ground.
The fight over whether the sky is blue or is it more of a blue color.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:08 pm28: Spudge: Like O’Reilly would actually listen? haha - Fox News keeps beating this dead horse - night after night.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:09 pmStrip search 10 year old girls.
Shoot boys in the back.
That’s the Christmas message this year!
December 6th, 2005 at 2:09 pmWho has he baited, besides the trolls and now this nominee in a fake fight against imaginary enemies?
December 6th, 2005 at 2:09 pmCALLING ALL PATRIOTS!
This is calling all American Patriots to suit up and get out in the streets to fight the GWOC, Global War On Christmas!
There are reports of Volvo driving, latte sipping hordes of environmentalists, homosexuals, hippies, druggies and and many “Non-Christians” to include Jews, Muslims and Athiests attacking mangers and chopping down Christmas trees. The war is on.
Please, get up from in front of the TV and turn off Fox News, the Jerry Springer Show and World Wrestling, you are needed on the frontlines. Please pack as many guns as possible, duct tape, foodstuffs like Coca Cola, Cheese-Curls and beef jerky, goggles and safety glasses, crucifixes, rubber gloves(AIDS prevention), bibles, holy water and anything else you need to get by. Please no underage stepdaughters will be allowed in overhead storage.
When you see one of these ‘attackers’ show them no mercy or God will show you no mercy when you meet him.
Save Bush and save the Christmas trees.
Hooah!
-Field Marshall Kringle
December 6th, 2005 at 2:10 pmSpudge:
More like, “liberals say the sky is green, we say the sky is blue, who are you going to vote for”
December 6th, 2005 at 2:10 pm
As for the right-wingers going nuts, just call it a Christmas tree and this issue goes away. But, the left won’t do that.
Comment by danny k — December 6, 2005 @ 1:56 pm
Sit down, relax, take a deep breath… I can hear you hyperventilating from where I am…
I am all for calling it a Christmas tree because that’s what it is. I don’t think anyone in this blog has advocated calling it a “Holiday tree” -maybe you should go to the blog where people are actually asking the tree be renamed, and complain there.
This is a thread about Alito.
My two cents.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:11 pmFitz is still my Xmas xandidate…
December 6th, 2005 at 2:12 pm“Please, get up from in front of the TV and turn off Fox News, the Jerry Springer Show and World Wrestling, you are needed on the frontlines.”
GSD,
You forgot NASCAR. : )
December 6th, 2005 at 2:13 pmIT IS A FVCKING CHRISTMAS TREE. NO OTHER RELIGIONS USE A GOD DAMN TREE IN THEIR RELIGIOUS CERIMONIES.
IT IS HAPPY HOLIDAYS, BECAUSE THERE IS MORE THAN ONE GOD DAMN HOLIDAY THIS TIME OF YEAR.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:15 pmBREAKING NEWS:
From the GWOC Front. General Bill O’Rielly was just attacked by a small group of men waring elf costumes. They tripped General O’Rielly and clubbed him with what appeared to be candy cane striped dildos.
General O’Reilly was rescued by Major John Gibson, who beat off several of the attackers, while General O’Rielly also beat himself off and talked dirty to one of the female elfs.
The elfs then beat a hasty and sticky retreat and both leaders O’Reilly and Gibson have returned to the frontlines behind the camera in this, latest battle in the Global War On Christmas.
END
December 6th, 2005 at 2:16 pm#30
“You people go nuts over shit like this.â€
Then can you tell your boy Bill O’Reilly to STFU. He is making the noise for the administartion. Tell him to stop being a tool.
Spudgeboy, did you bother to even read my comment?
Here’s the gist:
The debate is about what he [Alito] believes, not what his critics believe.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:17 pm#42 - Gregor: I agree, but the whole point is that there is no “war on Christmas” - something that the right-wing types are trying to use - that is, bring up an “emotional issue” (which doesn’t exist) and attach it to this supreme court nominee.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:20 pmQuicksand,
Obviously there is a post that has been deleted. My post was in response to someone else.
You never said “You people go nuts over shit like this.”
I think it was Liberals Hate America.
Moderators,
If you delete a post, just delete the contents of the post, not the whole thing. It screws up the numbering and peopls responses.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:22 pmIf the right want him as their Christmas Candidate, can we take him as the Kwanzaa Candidate… or maybe the Chanukah candidate? … actually I’d settle for the Winter Candidate or just plain ol’ Holiday Candidate.
I tell ya, anyone who declares a War on Christmas ought to read up on the Christmas Truce… anyone who has taken the time to read John Gibson might want to take in Stanley Weintraub… the former has described a fake war over a fake issue that costs no lives; the latter has written about acts of extraordinary humanity in the midst of a brutal war that cost millions of lives…
Now that’s a message to take home at this time of year.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:23 pmBush: “I’m sure, as well, that Judge Alito is thinking of his mom, Rose, who will be 91 in December. And I know he’s thinking about his late father. Samuel Alito Sr. came to this country as a immigrant from Italy in 1914. And his fine family has realized the great promise of our country.”
London Yank at Daily Kos checked out the elder Alito’s military records (available online) for WWII.
Samuel Alito of Mercer, New Jersey was born in 1914 in New Jersey. There are codes on the data set for “Nativity” as well as “Citizenship” so there is no possibility of error here - unless Sam Sr. lied when he enlisted in 1938 to serve his country.
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/013324.html
December 6th, 2005 at 2:23 pmThe GWOC is going to lead to a quagmire. Fox News will change their rationale when this becomes apparent.
And allow me to rephrase my previous post: Those who think opposition to drilling equals support for high energy costs should know this: We can increase supply 1% domestically, or we can decrease demand 20% through conservation and efficiency. Which will lower prices more?
December 6th, 2005 at 2:29 pmBREAKING NEWS:
Reports that a shoulder fired missile shot down an angel over the Red and Godly state of Idaho has been reported.
An angel of mercy was flying to the rescue of a Christian who was in need of salvation in a small town in Idaho was attacked by a missile reportedly launched from the offices of the Idaho American Civil Liberties Union.
A battalion of Christian soldiers has cordoned off the building and are set launch a counter attack to destroy the enemies of God and Christmas.
A medic reports the angel, Dixie Lee from angel quadrant 11, has survived but is suffering from burnt wings and a bent halo. We are praying for her recovery.
Updates in the GWOC to follow.
END
December 6th, 2005 at 2:29 pm“Saying holiday tree is just plain stupid.” — Danny K.
You would certainly know stupid, Danny. Hanging out with your ignorant, uneducated, neo-con friends would give you plenty of chances to see “stupid” in action.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:30 pmI agree, but the whole point is that there is no “war on Christmas” - something that the right-wing types are trying to use - that is, bring up an “emotional issue” (which doesn’t exist) and attach it to this supreme court nominee.
Comment by MrTimPA — December 6, 2005 @ 2:20 pm
We are in total agreement. My point exactly was that danny k is using a strawman.
Let’s sit down and watch danny k look for the web site run by the “liberal cabal” bent on renaming the tree. Should be fun.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:33 pm“Let’s sit down and watch danny k look for the web site run by the “liberal cabal†bent on renaming the tree. Should be fun.”
Like he is actually going to try and find some data to back his point of view.
December 6th, 2005 at 2:35 pmBREAKING NEWS:
Reports of a firebombing of a gingerbread house in a mall display in Houston Texas are coming in.
Sketchy reports indicate a band of smelly, harry armpitted athiests attacked the small gingerbread with tiny molotov cocktails. The athiests chanted ‘Down with Christmas’ and then hurled the little bottles causing a 3 alarm fire in the gingerbread house.
A mob of alert Christians chased the anarchists and reportedly have beaten the athiest to death with crosses and uesed rosary beads to tie the corpses of the atheists to Christmas Tree display in the mall…A Christian spokesman said: “It serves them right, this is what Christmas in Fallujah will look like if the anti-Christers get their way”.
More updates in the Global War On Christmas to follow.
-END
December 6th, 2005 at 2:37 pmSamuel Alito is a well-qualified conservative jurist with a proven judicial track record of fairness, impartiality, and sound legal scholarship. He also is a loving husband and father and a committed Christian. So, what exactly is it that America should fear about the nomination of Judge Alito?
December 6th, 2005 at 2:40 pmhey danny;
how about drilling for scruples and honesty??? the sun says
December 6th, 2005 at 2:43 pm‘f u’
In talking with a close friend, politics and then the various sites, such as TP, came up. I talked about some of the posts I found absurd, and asked aloud,”How can they think these things?”
My friend then told me about this book she had read, and how perhaps some of these sentiments I found alarming started in the post 911 world. She went on to say thatas the author said, to make your enemy “He” or “Them” makes you just like them.
I found it eye-opening, and a read of Chap 1, Trauma and Politics, lead me to buy it. I’m not pushing a product, as you can read the entire book online, but thought some of the insights helpful.
I for one look at dannyk’s posts differently today. It helped. Check it out if you’d like. Interesting.
http://www.traumaandnonviolence.com/
December 6th, 2005 at 2:44 pmChap1-Politics
It’s not really OT, because I think it can help all of us understand all these issues better.
what institution was alito commited too? i knew he was whacko but didnt know he was committed? probably talking in tongues or something to people??
December 6th, 2005 at 2:46 pm#24 - “Saying holiday tree is just plain stupid. It’s not a holiday tree. It is, IN FACT, a Christmas tree.”
dannyk, I don’t believe I said a thing about any Christmas tree, but I do, in fact, agree that calling a Christmas tree anything but that is a little silly. Santa won’t bring you anything either if you stay so cranky.
#25 - “Aww… I’ll send you a lump of valuable coal that I was offered…:)”
Thanks, MrTimPA, I’ll add it to my collection!
Happy Holidays!
December 6th, 2005 at 2:50 pmIf I was a Republican I would be insulted at this point. It is obvious that the powers that be in their party think their constituents are truly ignorant.
This whole “war on christmas” is a total and complete fabrication. I don’t know any liberals who want to refer to a christmas tree as anything other than what it is. Bushco has been losing ground over the past few months. This is an obvious ploy to re-energize their base.
The sad part is that some folks actually believe that democrats don’t celebrate christmas and are resentful of those that do. Bullshit! When are rebublicans going to get angry over being used and lied to so frequently?
December 6th, 2005 at 2:55 pmBSR,
America NEEDS to fear his voting hitory. He has not voted with “fairness, impartiality, and sound legal scholarship,” unless they are in-line with a more aggressive police state, and limit the rights of citizens. Who cares about his personal life when his history on the bench included some very narrow views of what rights all of us as citizens have!
December 6th, 2005 at 2:56 pmWhat do you think Jesus would think of the modern, materialistic,corporate-sponsored, over-hyped, shopping-frenzied, pagan tree-borrowing holiday that we now refer to as Christmas?
Oh, by the way, I am a Christian. But I think that the way that Christmas is celebrated is about as far from Jesus’ message as you can get.
December 6th, 2005 at 3:05 pm#65
First, I think he would vomit.
Then he would go on a good old fashion “throwing the merchants out of the temple” tirade.
After that, He would go to the highest mountain and yell that everybody better straighten their sh!t up or he will flood the mother fvcker.
December 6th, 2005 at 3:09 pm“Samuel Alito is a well-qualified conservative jurist with a proven judicial track record of fairness, impartiality, and sound legal scholarship. He also is a loving husband and father and a committed Christian. So, what exactly is it that America should fear about the nomination of Judge Alito?” - #58 BSR.
Nice talking points. Alito is the “best” candidate for the Supreme Court - that’s after the other “best” candidate was bashed by the right-wing and seen as a crony nomination.
I don’t trust anyone Bush nominates, given his track record.
What America should fear is that this is an extremely conservative judge who may be out of step with most of America. If he’s embraced by the FRC or AFA, that’s seriously out of touch. But, the problem is most Americans don’t even know who Sam Alito is and probably couldn’t name half the judges on the Supreme Court. They’re too busy worring about the “war on Christmas” or some such crap that is fed to them.
December 6th, 2005 at 3:10 pmHave you guys caught the group, Jews Against Anti Christian Defamation? Profiled in Christianity Today, and covered on CBN News a few days ago when they came out on the side of conservative Christians in the “war.” Funny if it wasn’t so scary.
December 6th, 2005 at 3:17 pmScroll down a little; under “Must Reads”
“If he’s embraced by the FRC or AFA, that’s seriously out of touch.”
What are the FRC and the AFA? You make it sound like they are Nazis or the KKK. Are they really profoundly dangerous racists, or are they just people with whom you disagree?
December 6th, 2005 at 3:18 pmOops… messed up html… it’s
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December 6th, 2005 at 3:19 pmMrTimPA,
“But, the problem is most Americans don’t even know who Sam Alito is and probably couldn’t name half the judges on the Supreme Court. They’re too busy worring about the “war on Christmas†or some such crap that is fed to them.”
I think you are correct here and that is how things get
December 6th, 2005 at 3:22 pmsnuck in under the radar of people who would NOT allow
it if they knew. This is why things have to be packaged
deceitfully.
It should be embarrassing to have to “trick”
your agenda past people, but that seems to be the plan.
Hence we get “Alito supports Christmas” along
with “War on Christmas” to deceive people.
It really shouldn’t work, but people don’t pay
enough attention. It is not easy to get information
in spite of the subservient MSM.
randi rhodes is on a pretty good rant about this subject…
December 6th, 2005 at 3:29 pmlisten live: http://airamericaradio.com/
first there was Miers, now there is Alito, therefore Alito is the best qualified canidate…he is also the best canidate if you put him in a room of 7th graders, or if you line him up with a bunch of landscapers, or I’ll even go so far as to say, if you line him up next to Bush and his Cohorts, but the best possible appointee in the nation…c’mon!!!
Also, where was this war on Christmas before BOR started spewing it out and everyone started arguing with him, now we have a judge that is going to fight the war on Christmas, and BOR has a reason to have brought it up!!!
When are we going to have some real debate in this country about some serious issues,
December 6th, 2005 at 3:31 pmforemost: the “war” in Iraq, eventually the prez will have to listen to those that don’t agree,
the economy, all numbers are going up, but Americans don’t see the money,
healthcare: gov’t sponsorship is equal to communism, but the nations to employers find a way to make it unaffordable for their employees and unattainable if you either unemployed, part time, or can’t afford to lose 10-30% of your paycheck
A vote against Alito is a vote against Christmas.
December 6th, 2005 at 3:34 pmI’ll believe Christmas is under attack when they prove that Rosh Hashana and Pesach aren’t.
:eyeroll:
December 6th, 2005 at 3:35 pmon second though - maybe i shouldn’t call it a “rant”…that could be construed negatively to some narrow minded people…
December 6th, 2005 at 3:37 pmrandi rhodes is one of the smartest people telling the true story out there…
and thank god for air america radio…give her a listen - then you’ll know too…
BSR - why don’t you google them and find out? Instead of asserting things and telling us you don’t know what it is AT THE VERY SAME TIME!!!
PS - we haven’t missed your absence.
December 6th, 2005 at 3:39 pm#69- BSR: FRC = Family Research Council, AFA = “American Family Association” - and yes, they’re about as close as you can get to “Nazi” organizations. I have nothing against religious organizations having their own set of values, but the FRC and AFA are trying to stomp on my values.
December 6th, 2005 at 3:49 pm# 60 - Thank you, True Blue, for the link. Just started reading it; like it. Makes sense so far. Understanding ourselves and each other; a definite necessity if we’re going to get through this with dignity and our country intact.
December 6th, 2005 at 3:59 pm“FRC = Family Research Council, AFA = “American Family Association†- and yes, they’re about as close as you can get to “Nazi†organizations. I have nothing against religious organizations having their own set of values, but the FRC and AFA are trying to stomp on my values.”
So, but your definition, the ACLU, NOW and PLanned Parenthood would also be “about as close as you can get to ‘Nazi’ organizations . . . [who are} trying to stomp on my values.” Do I have that right?
December 6th, 2005 at 4:07 pmHey, guess what–no one is telling me that I can’t celebrate Christmas, or that I can’t go to the church of my choice, or are they even telling me that I can’t pray wherever and whenever I want. I cannot understand why the right-wingers think that Christianity is under assault.
December 6th, 2005 at 4:08 pmNOW is most certainly a Nazi organization. Instead of jews, they gas babies.
December 6th, 2005 at 4:17 pmIn relation to Planned Parenthood, how does that ’step on’ your values?
December 6th, 2005 at 4:23 pmHitler was also anti-abortion and anti-gay, just like the Texas Taliban in this country, and the NeoCon Nazis…
December 6th, 2005 at 4:30 pmHWL,
December 6th, 2005 at 4:33 pmWhen has gassing been a form of abortion….oh wait, judging by your handle you have no more common sense than a piece of lint
#81- Dodge: That’s exactly it - no one is telling you what you can and can’t do! :) And with that, I’d wish you a Happy Holidays! :) I don’t bother putting up a “holiday/christmas” tree simply because I live alone and my cat would have too much fun climbing said tree. :) But, I do help my parents setup and decorate a tree - no religion involved - just good family values. Of course, they were never into the “Made in China” baby jesus displays….:)
Happy Holidays all…:)
December 6th, 2005 at 4:36 pmWow, the right-wingers are little more than common internet trolls these days.
An honest question then for all you Bush apologists re the “war on Christmas”. WHo are these liberals you keep saying that are pushing th PC agenda? Because it looks to me the people pushing this “happy holiday” thing are major corporations and big business. Are greedy, money hungry corporations now part of the “far left, liberal agenda”?
December 6th, 2005 at 4:49 pmHi im4mary,
just got back online (teenage girl: need I say more?)
It was interesting. Gives a fresh perspective, reasons behind some of the “hype” stuff going on these days.
I just really find it helpful to stop the “us” and “them” mentality. To humanize everyone really ends up taking away that “fuel” that drives them. (thus ebbing the damaging wave of “Nationalism”.)
In less psycho-babble, it’s like giving the “Choo-Choo Train” to the Winter Warlock: melted his icy heart.
December 6th, 2005 at 4:58 pmThe whole war on christmas thing is to make athiest and leftists to look bad. To make us look like were evil and we
December 6th, 2005 at 5:02 pmhate family values. The reason why some people don’t want merry christmas is the same if someone wanted a statue of muhammed in a public place its offensive for some non-christians its makes them feel out of place. Which is why i advocate who gives a f&*k why should any one care what people put.
Hitler would clearly be a liberal today. It is the liberals who wish to kill babies that they deem unwanted, deformed or who might grow up in poverty. That is an aryian race. Killing Terri Schiavo because she was brain dead - Hitler would be proud. Performing stem cell research on adult embryos was perfected in Nazi Germany.
December 6th, 2005 at 5:05 pmYeah, that Hitler–he sure was a tolerant guy who respected diversity. And he certainly didn’t go around invading other countries to cram his way of life onto others or anything belligerent like that. Nor did he believe in the death penalty…yup, sounds like he was quite the liberal.
December 6th, 2005 at 5:23 pmto Hilter was a Liberal:
Hey, do these words by Hilter remind you of any liberal or atheist you know?
Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. [Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933]
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.April 12, 1922, published in My New Order, quoted in Freethought Today April 1990]
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]
Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook. [Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 171]
BTW, not only was Hitler a devetoo, but against evolution as well.
Learn some history. You are wildly ignorant. Poor thing you. I do feel sorry for you.
December 6th, 2005 at 5:28 pmSo many Christmas traditions are based on Pagan ones. Jesus likely wasn’t even born in December.
December 6th, 2005 at 5:31 pmBack on point here.
To the conservaties, once again, it is for him, Alito, to pass the burden of proof and prove his judical philoshophy… what his critics believe is a matter of no importance. What is of importance is the quality of Alito’s answers.
This is a red-herring. Anti-god, anti-xmas, blah blah, has absolutely no barring. But you garden-variety, talking-point sucking, and un-thinking conservatives can not even begin to understand this.
You are suckers. Oh well. YOu can always blame the liberals as the country goes down the drain based upon your ideology and your leadership.
December 6th, 2005 at 5:33 pm#89 — I’m tired of people who get “offended” at the site of a Christmas tree or saying merry christmas. It’s a f@#$ing tree!
December 6th, 2005 at 5:34 pmHa ha ha terri was belimic she didn’t want to eat f&*k she probably was very watchful of her appearence if she saw they way she looked on tv she wouldve stabbed herself.
December 6th, 2005 at 5:41 pmHWL,
December 6th, 2005 at 5:44 pmComparing Hitler’s genocide to a very personal decision to abort having a child is not by any means a level comparison. There is no mastermind behind who to have abortions or not, besides the would be parents!!! As for Terri Schiavo, no one is proud of that, it is none of our business, why do you think government should have a role in a married couple’s decision. (I’m guessing by your handle that you are a conservative, how big do you want the government to be???)
CyniCON you and BOR are the only ones who know who these people are who get offended…the first part of a war is to have an enemy…who, I want names!!!
December 6th, 2005 at 5:47 pmIt’s funny–as a Christian, and a quite old one at that, I’ve never ever EVER run into someone who has been offended at the site of a Christmas tree or for me saying “merry Christmas” to them. However, I have met one (1) person who didn’t think the well decorated tree displayed in the State Capitol Building (a governmental facility) should be referred to as a “>>Christmas
December 6th, 2005 at 5:49 pm#95 I have lived many places here in the U.S. and I have never heard about anyone hating a Christmas Tree or wanting to call it a Holiday Tree. You have been watching too much TV. Stop believing shit without doing due diligence. This is a non issue and you are being goaded into a farce. GOD what a dolt.
December 6th, 2005 at 5:51 pmEXACTLY, Dodgeball. What the hell is this idiot talking about. I lived in NYC and just the other day get to hear this bull. It hurts some people’s heads to think.
December 6th, 2005 at 5:52 pm#100 — Tell that to the Mayor of Boston who ordered the annual tree given to the city by Nova Scotia renamed the “Holiday” tree.
Look I don’t really care that much — it just seems so stupid to me. Don’t people have better things to do than worry about whether people are going to be offended by “christmas”?
December 6th, 2005 at 5:55 pmI’m tired of people who get “offended” at the site of a Christmas tree or saying merry christmas. It’s a f@#$ing tree!
Comment by cynicon implant — December 6, 2005 @ 5:34 pm
For the Nth time: Nobody in this blog has said they get offended at the sight of a Christmas tree, or calling it that. I cannot speak for others, but when wished a Merry Christmas I return the favour.
You are barking at the wrong, ahem, tree here -go find the web site that is advocating the renaming of the Christmas tree and rant there.
Go get them!
December 6th, 2005 at 6:01 pm#103 — I didn’t say I was sick of the people here Gregor — I was just ranting in general.
December 6th, 2005 at 6:04 pm“Hitler was a Liberal”
Ummm yeah, right.
“Performing stem cell research on adult embryos was perfected in Nazi Germany.”
“adult embryos”
Just takt it in for a second.
“adult embryos”
Hurts doesn’t it.
“adult embryos”
Gonna have anyurism soon.
“adult embryos”
Head going to…….
December 6th, 2005 at 6:07 pmHey I am an athiest and I have a Christmas Tree. Jesus! And, I have totally trimmed my tree with my choice Star Wars and Star Trek ornaments. For me its like Christians singing carols dedicticatd to Frosty the Snowman or Rudolph the Reindeer. Where in the synoptics does jesus say anything about how should one celebrate his fig-tree wilting, pig-drowning, walking-on-water, magic-doing god as man life? Refer to Mat 19:25 Christians and bugger off.
Now can we go back and discuss Alito? Obvisouly, the cons on this site can’t. Why? Because they can not discuss the matter at hand, as they have no argument and no shread of intellectual honesty to stand on.
December 6th, 2005 at 6:10 pmp.s. make that right-wing/conservative christians. Thanks. I should be more specific. //Quicksand
December 6th, 2005 at 6:13 pmI think we are seeing lower numbers of Right Wing responses here lately because they are all on thier month long vacation now.
December 6th, 2005 at 6:19 pmTo Republicans:
Listen to the voices in your head.
There is no war on Christmas.
There is no war on Christmas
There is no war on Christmas.
Help those in poverty.
December 6th, 2005 at 6:28 pmIgnore corporate contributions.
Get our trops out of Iraq.
Convict Bush, Cheney, Rice, Delay, Frist and the entire Evil Empire.
Give in to the Progressives
Give in to the Progressives
Give in to the progressives
It’s bad business to offend anyone, the biggest pushers of “Happy Holidays” and avoindant of using the word “Christmas” are the big corporations. Which in turn enjoy the Republican agenda, who favors big money and big business. But we wouldn’t expect anything other that the usual hypocracy.
December 6th, 2005 at 6:28 pmthere is no war in xmas:
terrorpilot.com/xmas.php
2000 soldiers say “merry xmas” to president bush.
December 6th, 2005 at 6:43 pm…just back from some errands, listening to randi rhodes on xm in my car…a man called in to tell about a good friend of his who “works for the administration” and all employees received a notice from andy card that when answering the phone and ending the conversation they are directed to say “merry christmas”…
December 6th, 2005 at 6:48 pmfree country, not…
To #106, Quicksand,
“Shuttle Craft to Enterprise.
December 6th, 2005 at 7:38 pmShuttle Craft to Enterprise.
Spock Here.
Happy Holidays.
Live Long.
And Prosper.” (was that the first ornament?)
I have that one,too!! Also NCC1071D!
And the Kligon Bird of Prey!!!
Cool!
Spudge,
LOVE your post, #105!!
Pretty much says it all.
December 6th, 2005 at 7:42 pmRegarding Alito, I was the 5th out of 6 kids, born within 7 years of each other. 6 kids. 7 years. It was after she was born that mom said enough and dad got snipped.
December 6th, 2005 at 7:50 pmNow this idiot is against privacy and a woman’s choice.
He says it won’t affect his professional view but he has already made too many descisions on record that say otherwise.
This is bad.
Quicksand and True Blue,
I go the Star Wars ornaments. Millenium Falcon that lights up. Storm Trooper, Clone Trooper, Darth Vader on Bespin that says “Together we can rule the Galaxy as father and son”
I also have the original NCC-1701.
December 6th, 2005 at 7:55 pmI don’t know what America Alito has been living in.
In my America, I can only recall a few families who actually went to church on Christmas. Out of those few, Christmas was the only day they went to church.
The word Jesus rarely came up in conversation on Christmas.
The most common phrase I’ve heard is “Christmas is for the kids”.
Yes, I was considered a Christian growing up but toys, food and family dominated my holiday.
Jesus who? Mary who? Don’t these people at least have last names for goodness sakes? How am I supposed to bond with these nameless people?
Am I to behave like Mary? The chick who got pregnant out of wedlock? I think not Judge Alito. My family raised me better than that.
December 6th, 2005 at 8:17 pmFor once I can say I’m in complete agreement with Spudge … Star Wars ornaments rule (although my wife keeps trying to move them to the back of the tree).
December 6th, 2005 at 8:30 pmSpudge and Blue, hey, the star that tops my 3′5″ tree is Darth Vader’s Tie Fighter. Cool when it lights up.
//oh one more correction (its this damn flu bug i got) make Mat 19:25 to Mat 19:21.
December 6th, 2005 at 9:07 pm‘adult embryo’ is an oxymoron, unlike the troll who posted it, who’s simply a moron.
Hitler was anti-abortion ironically… He was just like the modern conservatives. He had no problem murdering adults, but fetuses seemed to be considered ’safe’ from the reichwingers perspective. Clearly, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
His ‘economic and social’ policies were remarkably similar too. Guess our little ‘hitler scholar’ who posted that rant never read the fact that NeoCons were disciples of Leo Strauss (a german nazi who fled germany and set up shop in Chicago). The poor little troll has no idea that he’s really a nazi, but then again, they rarely do - the pathetic little losers…
December 6th, 2005 at 9:07 pmdanny k, in post # 1, you said we should win more elections.
Actually in 2000, we did win. President Jimmy Carter even openly acknowledged this fact last night on Jon Stewart.
In 2000, your boy george seized the White House, overthrew the constitution and took office.
Your boy george was pelted with eggs on Innaguration day, and for the first time in American history the Presidential motocade had to speed the President away to avert a riot.
Your boy george was the first President to institute computerized voting, conveniently enough for his own upcoming election.
Although the capabilites have been around for years up until 2004, it was not deemed secure enough. Slipping a back door worm or trojan that changes every 3rd vote from Dem to Repub, would be as easy as sending out a mass mail worm. And the capability of such a trojan to cover it’s tracks, is not in question.
Experts agreed that if we ever did decide to implement a computerized voting system, that it would still require a paper ballot receipt to limit the ability to manipulate the data. See it’s just, too easy. Trust me.
So all things given, it was a surprise to discover the President was not only instituting computerized voting, but for some, mysterious reason, he decided in the very first trial, that it was important that there be no paper trail. .
When confronted with the notion of having printers set up at ALL touch screen locations, which would print a copy of the ballot, that the voter could see confirms the machine counted their vote correctly, and also provide a paper trail in case of a recount, Bush referenced the problems with the 2000 election recount, and said he didn’t want to go through that again.
So the very first time a US Presidential election is decided completely electronically, he decided it would be best not to have a paper trail.
And apparently we are to believe it is just a coincidence it happens to be his election that he introduced this system.
If you think for two seconds, that after a full term in office, with his lagging polls, that the man who the majority of the American people voted against in 2000, now suddenly went for Bush, then you are deluding your self.
Just take a look at the exit polls in large Democratic districts in the midwest.
No way, your man did not win, he seized power, and you and your pseudo-Christian buddies better pray to the God of smug little republicans that the truth never reaches the surface.
Cause if it does, the only thing this country will be voting on is whether it’s gonna be a Firing Squad or Hanging.
December 6th, 2005 at 10:07 pmRyan Neat — Leo Strauss was a German Jew that fled Naziism, not a Nazi.
December 7th, 2005 at 2:23 pmThank you DaveM, for teiterating the truth about Leo Strauss. Simple concepts continue to confuse the poor boy.
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