Reasoned Debate.
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Reasoned Debate.
Michael Reagan, talk show host and son of the former President, said today, “Howard Dean should be arrested and hung for treason.” (Via AmericaBlog)
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I really wonder where we’ll be in three years…
December 6th, 2005 at 10:19 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/iraq.transition/
December 6th, 2005 at 10:23 pmTreason? What he accuses others of is what his party represents.
December 6th, 2005 at 10:27 pmTell spoiled rotten kid of a movie Player(Not considered a Job) to go to HELL!
December 6th, 2005 at 10:28 pmhttp://www.newsmax.com/
Having supported Howard Dean two years ago and then agonized over his flip (before his recent flop), I’m inclined to agree with Michael Reagan.
December 6th, 2005 at 10:29 pmtreason?
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December 6th, 2005 at 10:36 pmPoll: Most Say Torture OK in Rare Cases
Both Reagan and Dean are extremists.
December 6th, 2005 at 10:58 pmWhat is amazing is his brother, Ron Reagan, who cleary got his Mothers wisdom and his Fathers grace, clearly does not share the republican views.
In fact, Ron Reagan Jr. is in a great postion to step out as a spokesperson for the Democratic party if he would just get off the fence.
He needs to dump that horrible Monica Crumbley and move on to something on his own. He could carry a show, I think he is just starting to find his legs.
And I could also see him stepping out as a political candidate. I mean after all, George Bush Sr’s son got to be President, it’s only fair that Ron Reagan Sr’s son gets to be President too.
December 6th, 2005 at 11:15 pmBush on the War on Terror in 8/04:
“I don’t think you can win it,” Mr. Bush replied. “But I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.”
via democraticunderground.com
December 6th, 2005 at 11:28 pmSOME CALL IT TREASON — “BRING ‘EM ON”
“There are some who, uh, feel like that, you know, the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is: Bring ‘em on. We got the force necessary to deal with the security situation. “ – George W. Bush, July 2, 2003.
December 6th, 2005 at 11:33 pmAnyone who supports this bullshit war should be hung, revived and forced to repeat 4th grade.
It’s getting really hard not to be embarrassed and ashamed about being an American. If Germany’s still hearing about Hitler 60 years later, you KNOW we’ll be working off George Bush’s stink well into the 22nd Century.
December 6th, 2005 at 11:46 pmI went over to that Red State.org site, very little if any debate, rehash, and hash. Rush Clones, no dialogue.
December 6th, 2005 at 11:55 pm~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Adam from the “red clay” of the earth
Two sons as Able and Cain,
In History we also Find Esau and Edom
Esau was Loved and Edom was not. (so it goes)
Edom Sold his soul for a a ‘red pot’ or ‘red clay’
‘ReD’, or ‘Rott’
Bauer House, Hesse-Cassel, Court Title for ‘Red Shield’ hence the Bauers became Rottschild, and the Familiar Red Star.
The Republican color is of course ‘Red’
Edom is parallel to Cain,
then CAIN is Parallel to the Rott Reich Wing.
The mark of a fascist state is that dissent and debate is stifled by strident challenges to opponents’ patriotism.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:00 amCheck out “Homecoming”, an episode of Showtime’s Masters of Horror” series that aired this past weekend. Directed by Joe Dante, it’s well worth the one hour of your time.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:07 amExactly as expected. A neocon comes out swinging at Dean.
I’ve seen a pattern in politics… A democrat explains his position, strategy or plan and what the democrat gets every single time is..(from republicans)…”they have no ideas”.
And when that no longer works they charge and convict (in their own little minds)the democrat of some henious crime.
Lucky for the Democrat, the indictments and convictions of their opponents are real.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:55 amIts good to not be in republican land.
One question for you Mike. What’s your number?
How many have to die before you agree with Dean?
5000? 10000? 50000? 100000? What’s you number, Mike?
And when are you heading to Iraq to fight this noble clause that you are so willing to kill other Americans in order to see it continue?
We can’t win this, we can only decide the magnitude of our losses.
December 7th, 2005 at 2:23 amNothing, apparently not even the growing opposition to the war in Iraq, frustrates President Bush and the Republican Party more than Americans’ consistently negative view of the economy.
That’s because right now, the American people aren’t focused on economic growth; they’re concerned about economic insecurity. Call it the “Insecurity Index”…
For the full story, see:
“Bush League Economy.”
December 7th, 2005 at 2:30 amWORFEUS-
Is that crappy Connected Coast to Coast still on the air?
December 7th, 2005 at 3:05 amThat needs to be taken off with Scarbourogh and that asthmatic Rita Cosby.
I am tired of bloviating blowhards calling justifiably critical people like Dean traitors and accusing them of treason. It diminishes the import of those words, and we may have to rally enough citizens in our wounded nation to apply the Espionage Act soon regarding the lies that led us to Iraq. So, it serves a clear purpose when neo-nut airbags diminish such words.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:31 amThe GOP wants to sacrifice the same number of troops as people who died on 9-11. They say things like that all the time on public call-in shows, etc. not in those words exactly but things like: “they havent even killed as many as people who died on 9-11, so we have to stay the course.” They really do want to sacrifice that many troops in battle for the people who died, taking with them a substantial amount of “the enemy” with them, then concluding victory and leaving. I believe that was their plan all along.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:57 amShould be “hanged” Micheal. Get the grammar right if you’re going to be a demagogue.
December 7th, 2005 at 6:06 amThis is why you waste your time thinking you can have a reasoned debate with these people. As they lose their grip on power, and that is already happening, and see it slipping through their greedy, grasping little fingers, they will become even more shrill and desperate. We may just get to hang a few of them. They really thought they were going to have a thirty year reich wing revolution. pretty damn anti-climactic. Premature ejaculators everyone of them.
December 7th, 2005 at 6:11 amReagan needs to look at his own father’s treasonable offense.
December 7th, 2005 at 6:13 amMaking arms for hostage deals, before he was elected President is certainly something that I would call treason. You don’t get to represent the US until you’re elected and sworn into office.
Micheal Reagan is about as credible as Bill O’ Reilly.
SpongeBob Square Pants has beaten O’Reilly in every weekly Neilsen rating since either program came on the air.
Conservatives are certainly loud, but aren’t really influenmcing anyone except themselves.
Sing to the choir, ye ship of fools!
Treason began with the forming of the office of special plans.
December 7th, 2005 at 7:24 amIsn’t Michael Reagan the son that Ronnie didn’t give a shit about? Remember that story where Ronnie went up to a little boy at a campaign rally or something and said “who are you little boy?” and Michael said “I’m your son, Dad!” On the other hand Ron Jr. was the son that was doted on and nurtured. Sure explains how each of them turned out, doesn’t it?
December 7th, 2005 at 8:13 amits hanged, not hung Michael.
December 7th, 2005 at 8:21 am#26 and all, good post’s. I beg to differ with you all on two points, though. First me think’s the treasonious ideas of this administration started with Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Rove in a meeting at the cowards, Crawford ranch long before he stole the first election. Iraq was alway’s in Bushe’s mind from the beginning. Second, I don’t want any of them hung, I want them to do hard time in a crummie prison for years. Hanging is to easy for such evil people. Put Rice and the rest of them in the pool also…….Blessings
December 7th, 2005 at 8:22 amAnd outing a covert CIA agent is treason also. Guess that means that Scooter Libby and Karl Rove should be hanged (in the public square). Did Michael Reagan voice his opinion on that treasonous act? He probably feels that we still need all the facts. What an asshole.
December 7th, 2005 at 8:25 amhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-pentagon-accused-our-_b_11814.html
December 7th, 2005 at 8:44 amI love it when idiots bandy about the term Treason. They don’t even know how to define it. It’s pretty clear. It’s the only crime specifically called out in the Constitution. Why, you ask? Because the British crown used to bandy the term about with abandon as well when oppressing the colonists. As a result, the Founding Fathers strictly defined it so that it couldn’t be used as a purely political tool to stifle dissent. Too bad the current regime doesn’t understand American history, Civics, or Ethics.
December 7th, 2005 at 8:53 amGreat posts, friends!
Especially # 27 for digging into the psychology – or psychohistory, more aptly stated – of the Reagan psyche, the more egregiously unhealthy aspects of which young GWB happens sadly to share.
I was an undergrad in the mid-late 80’s and studied R. Reagan in both political science and film (if you can imagine seeing twelve Reagan movies for course credit – blaah!).
Did you know that in 1963, as he was moving into politics, Reagan wrote an autobiography? Most of you don’t, and that’s the way Reagan and his handlers wanted it. In fact, Reagan was the first and only president to actively suppress his own book during his tenure as president, when it was out of print. It remained out of print to this day.
The book is called “Where’s The Rest Of Me?” and for those of you who think this is a joke, it’s not. The title comes from the film “King’s Row,†in which Dutch had to play a scene where he wakes up after a railroad injury to find that both of his legs have been amputated. Reagan studied double amputeeism for weeks, meeting and talking to people in similar conditions and he even practiced on crutches with both legs tied up. He reported feeling intensely anxious over filming the scene (none of this comes across in his performance, by the way).
I won’t go into a long disquisition on what the filming of this film meant to him at the time psychologically, or why he chose this line as the title to his autobiography. Just rest assured, it ain’t good. Ultimately, his wife Jane Wyman listed King’s Row as grounds for her divorce, as R.R. became so obsessed with it he would screen it daily at their home whenever company came over. Another thrilling evening at the Reagans’, honey.
The first paragraphs of the book begin with Reagan’s fond recollection of being beaten severely as a baby by his alcoholic and rage-filled father. Of course, he recalls it something like, “His shirt was white, my bottom was red, and I cried until I was blue in the face… and so you see from the very moment of my birth I was a true patriot… red, white, and blue…”
I am not making this up. I have the book on a shelf at home. It informs my understanding of the entire last third of the 20th century and the development of the Radical Right’s paranoia-fueled psyche.
Reagan became so depressed after filming King’s Row that he became clinically depressed, stopped eating, became malnourished, came down with pneumonia, and was hospitalized. In his book he describes hallucinations from his delirium including Humphrey Bogart coming to his room, giving him his trench coat, and telling him to abandon his egalitarian Democratic political leanings (Reagan was a union president at the time, remember) and to take up the fight against communism.
Reagan left the hospital a Republican.
All this is avaliable for your own study if you so choose.
Peace to you all.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:25 amThat’s an interesting anecdote, gtl. I’ll have to seek out that book.
Is it a pattern that wingers write really weird books before their public life gets scrutiny? Scooter Libby, Ronald Reagan, Lynne Cheney?
Can you imagine the outcry if Hillary Clinton wrote a lesbian romance novel? Or if Howard Dean wrote a book with a story about a 10-year-old being raped by a bear? Oy vey!
December 7th, 2005 at 9:32 amDid Scooter Libby right about Ursine rape? Tell me more, Reality!
December 7th, 2005 at 9:37 amWAR PROFITEERING IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF TREASON!
December 7th, 2005 at 9:39 amg.t.liberal – are you kidding? surely you didn’t miss all the hoopla about libby’s attempt at porn – “the apprentice”…unfortunately, the attention has brought added sales on amazon…ah well…more about it:
December 7th, 2005 at 10:08 amhttp://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/051107ta_talk_collins
Ewwww. Ursine- good word. Thank you for bringing up the level of vocabulary on this site :)
December 7th, 2005 at 10:10 am#14. I guesss you didnt read the warning God gave to whom ever strikes at Cain, Did you?
December 7th, 2005 at 10:19 amIf you cant find it, let me know, i.ll find it for you.
#14. Zack, I guesss you didnt read the warning God gave to whom ever strikes at Cain, Did you?
December 7th, 2005 at 10:24 amIf you cant find it, let me know, i.ll find it for you.
I know how you repubs are when it comes to reading the Bible. You only read what Benifits YOU
I don’t really give alot of creedence to anything Mike Reagan does. He’s a nobody. He’s trying to parrot Michael Savage & Rush to get ratings. Dumb shits one and all. Let ‘em foam at the mouth.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:40 amWhat would be the result if Democrats made comments as inflammatory as the right wing nuts like Reagan, (and Coulter, Limbaugh, et al)? We don’t have to think about the answer — we know what it is.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:53 amIn my opinion, these extremists have emboldened regular news anchors to abandon fair reporting, and resort to coloring their reports with bias and slant toward the administration. Not that the anchors are not receiving tacit, if not outright, messages from their CEOs to slant their coverage toward their favored Republican party.
The extreme views of these broadcasters further division among the nation’s populace, inflaming inherent prejudices, leave false impressions regarding the truth, and are a general menace to desired debate and discourse in a democratic society.
The FCC is headed by Republican appointees. The TV/Radio/Newspaper/News magazine media are owned by conservative Republicans. There are precious little liberal/progressive or Democratic viewpoints available for the general public, yet the progressive/liberal position on most government and social matters is the majority view. We have been hijacked by the powerful Republican party, and sadly, our Democrats are yet unable to band together and defend their position.
Oh boys, Howard is quite “hung”, hence the right-wing envy.
-Love
-Mrs. Dean
December 7th, 2005 at 11:08 am#43 – Dean is a brownshirt if I’ve ever see one. What’s most interesting is watching Democrats try to run from his comments. At least he didn’t slander the troops on FTN like Kerry did.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:42 amShouldn’t the evil spawn Ronnie be dancing?
December 7th, 2005 at 12:24 pmEverything that comes out of his goofy mouth should be laughed at. Unqualified.
44 troll. what an ass you are. Do you think your momma is proud of her impared son? I can tell you she isn’t.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:26 pmThe same could be said for his father King Ron. But wait, he’s dead already, oh well.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:45 pm#43 – Dean is a brownshirt if I’ve ever see one. What’s most interesting is watching Democrats try to run from his comments. At least he didn’t slander the troops on FTN like Kerry did.
Comment by Hitler was a Liberal — December 7, 2005 @ 11:42 am
Hitler was conservative Republican who decided that one party was better than two. Sound familiar? But if we are to have a dictator, a liberal one is best.
Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism.
December 7th, 2005 at 2:57 pmFriedrich Hayek, 1981 interview in El Mercurio
It’s funny to here a reichwinger call liberals fascists. They’re too retarded to even know that fascism is a reichwing political bent, and that their own NeoCons are disciples a Leo Strauss and his Nazi politics. The ‘contract with america’ is lifted right off the pages of nazi philosophy. And yet they call other people nazis – very sad and psychotic.
Even his ‘nationalism’ and anti-abortion and pro conservative religious/corporate stances mirror those of modern republicans. So does the complete inability of republicans to respond to dissent (as is witnessed by trolls here). All very classic nazism.
And the problem with having a rational discussion, is that requires having 2 sides that are rational. Republicans are zealots, they are not rational by nature. They live in a ‘faith based’ (irrational) world, that relies more on preconceptions, fantasies, fairy tales and ‘wishcraft’ than science, reason, logic or compassion.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:44 pmIt makes no sense to call a liberal, like Dean, or any liberal, a Hitler-like person. It would be an oxymoron. #44 states this in light of our current rulers who control every facet of government, they control the media, they are in bed with business and banking, they restrict civil rights at every opportunity, they are militaristic, they are imperialists in the world, and they would like their Christian/Judeo religion to dominate our society and culture. Unfortunately, their philosophy is fascist.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:14 pmYea Jimbo,
Its still on , but it wouldn’t be so crappy if they got rid of Monica Craply
December 7th, 2005 at 7:43 pm