BREAKING: Military Will Request $100B For Iraq Next Year, Murtha Reveals
BREAKING: Military Will Request $100B For Iraq Next Year, Murtha Reveals
During his response to President Bush this afternoon, Murtha revealed, for the first time, that the Pentagon will ask for an additional $100 billion for operations in Iraq next year:
MURTHA: Twenty years it’s going to take to settle this thing. The American people is not going to put up with it; can’t afford it. We have spent $277 billion. That’s what’s been appropriated for this operation. We have $50 billion sitting on the table right now in our supplemental, or bridge fund we call it, in the Appropriations Committee. They’re going to ask for another $100 billion next year.
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QUESTION: Can we come back to the $100 billion? You said that you expect the military to ask for $100 billion. Where are you getting that figure?
MURTHA: Where I get all my figures: the military.
Murtha has reason to know. He’s the ranking member of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee. The total cost of the Iraq war is quickly approaching the cost of Vietnam, which lasted 8 years.
UPDATE: Crooks and Liars has the video.
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Yikes! Was that part of the plan?
Attention Dems. We’ll be watching you!
December 7th, 2005 at 2:51 pm$100 billion in addition to $250 billion for NOLA? I think Bush really believes money grows on trees.
December 7th, 2005 at 2:52 pmBy the way, so much for that “fiscal conservative.”
December 7th, 2005 at 2:53 pmThis is the time when you find out who’s a fiscal conservative and who just uses that phrase to cover up the fact that Republicans are a bunch of spendy whores.
December 7th, 2005 at 2:56 pmIt’s a Halliburton Christmas, it’s the best time of the year! C’mon everybody now!
December 7th, 2005 at 2:59 pmWow, that is a lot of money.
I think your right, Bush has no concept of money. I guess that is what happens when you are born with a antique silver Nazi sympathizer’s spoon in your mouth.
“Sen. Prescott Bush, R-Conn, attemps to ‘disassociate himself’ from Missouri Sen. Stuart Symington during a hearing on Capital Hill in this Aug. 17, 1962 file photo. Government documents show that Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, government”
December 7th, 2005 at 2:59 pmNo, no, no, no, no, no no!!!! We need National Healthcare, Education Reform, Alternative Affordable Fuel Research, etc.
Time for free political campaigns and elections, so we will be able to elect true representatives to put the interests and needs first!
December 7th, 2005 at 2:59 pmWe seriously need a Revolution.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:00 pmO.K. It’s clear to see, the plan to suck this country dry has been in development for a long time. They just needed to install a Repub. pres. to get it rolling. I’m really beginning to believe they not only knew 9-11 was coming, but had a hand in it.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:01 pmAnyone know how to build a guillotine?
December 7th, 2005 at 3:03 pmCollapse of Empire 101…..about to quicken. We have money for bases in Romania and wars in Iraq but budget cuts for domestic programs..
Very sad.
Heckuva Job Bush-bag.
-GSD
December 7th, 2005 at 3:05 pmIf everyone here would write to their representatives in the house and senate once a week, perhaps we could put a dent in this issue. I have started doing this and if thousands of people did the same thing then perhaps, just maybe, things will change.
I’m not holding my breath, but its a start. Then we can consider a revolution because something definately has to be done.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:06 pm#9.
That is the starve the beast philosophy from the Grover Norquist school of government.
New Orleans was murdered by neglect…..and an effort to water down a Democratic leaning state to boot.
God loves these Christian warmongers though.
-GSD
December 7th, 2005 at 3:07 pmYou don’t suppose the budget surplus developed through the Clinton years was stockpiled for Bushco to steal do ya?
December 7th, 2005 at 3:10 pmUS defense budget and Oreos: http://www.truemajorityaction.org/oreos/
December 7th, 2005 at 3:12 pmI wouldn’t doubt it. With how the administartion is dividing the country and Hillary is dividing the party. It wouldn’t surprise me. Both the Clintons and the Bushes are part of the Carlyle Group, along with Prince Bandar.
I wouldn’t be shocked of Osama bin Laden was part of Carlyle also.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:14 pmJudd- Are there any links in refrence to what Murtha is saying?
Thanks
December 7th, 2005 at 3:15 pmSorry Rummy, you go into a war (of choice) with the budget you have not the one you want to have. Not another DIME ! Sorry… piggy bank’s empty, tell your neo-nut friends it’s all over, bring the troops home NOW !
December 7th, 2005 at 3:16 pmI’m glad that the families of defense contractors (Halliburton) will have a nice holiday season this year.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:21 pm#18, I agree. I say if they want to keep this war, then they finance it from their own pockets. I’m tired of paying more and more because of rich idiots who forgot, or never was there to begin with, how it is to live from paycheck to paycheck.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:22 pmhttp://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm
December 7th, 2005 at 3:22 pmREVELATION CHAPTER 18
December 7th, 2005 at 3:32 pm1 ¶ And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
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that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:33 pm5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:34 pmDecember 7th, 2005 at 3:35 pm
17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
December 7th, 2005 at 3:37 pm
There’s probably an electronic version of the bible if your fingers get tired “freedom is not free!” if you know how to cut ‘n paste text, that is…
December 7th, 2005 at 3:38 pmLack of proper sanitation has fueled insurgency
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:38 pm40,000 soldiers lacked body armor when Rumsfeld said otherwise
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:39 pmIraq = The Money Pit
Today, we find out that the military will request another $100 billion for Iraq next year. That’s in addition to the $50 billion in the pipeline and the $225+ billion spent to date. Think Progress has the report:
December 7th, 2005 at 3:40 pmIn case anyone isn’t following it, it turns out that the guy that they shot today on the flight in Florida, is now dead.
Also, what TSA and officials originally told us, about him having a bomb, is now not clear.
Apparently there are stories from passengers that he never said he had a bomb.
In fact, the guy was on he plane, with his Wife!
Hmmm….
Do I smell a story here???
December 7th, 2005 at 3:41 pmWolfowitz said oil would pay for the war and that’s the only reason the first budget passed
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:41 pmThe cost is nearly nothing in terms of GNP and less than zero in terms of another 911 type distaster. But then that’s cool with y’all, I know.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:41 pmI told the President to get more international support for the rebuild. He didn’t write back
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:42 pmThe Generals are young and dishonest
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:43 pmThe cost is also small compared with Bush’s budget deficits, which Greenspan says are unsustainable.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:44 pmSorry, didn’t mean to get off topic.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:44 pmLast year the President said there were 200k trained armed Iraqis. That was a lie.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:44 pmno, unequivocally. No more money for politicians that are corrupt beyond belief
December 7th, 2005 at 3:45 pmanyone want to bet that 50% of the money winds up on the pockets of the administration and their hacks?
It is because of the lies that I do not trust or believe the President.
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:45 pmSen. Prescott Bush, R-Conn, attemps to ‘disassociate himself’ from Missouri Sen. Stuart Symington during a hearing on Capital Hill in this Aug. 17, 1962 file photo. Government documents show that Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolph Hitler’s rise to power, governmentâ€
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Trolling again Spudge?
By the way. I still think Hitler was preferable to Stalin. Stalin killed about thirty million or more while Adolph only a fraction of that. I bet we could have talked Hitler out of killing all those Jews too. Leave it to FDR to side with the communists virtually guaranteeing the deaths of 6 million Jews. You Leftist losers haven’t changed much either.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:45 pm“[. . .] less than zero in terms of another 911 type distaster. But then that’s cool with y’all, I know.”
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 7, 2005 @ 3:41 pm
Try 2100, and approaching the 3000 of 9/11; those are the numbers you should worry about. Do you think the American people will say “enough’s enough” at that point?
December 7th, 2005 at 3:46 pm#33, IRI, yeah I feel much safer from attack with most all of our military overseas and our boarders wide open. Yet, people like you keep saying were safer. Bull s&*t! We are no more safer than we were between the time of the 1st WTC bombing and the second. We are infact worse off because we don’t have any money to protect our boarder, as can be seen by us having to borrow money from China, which children for generations will have to pay back.
Good plan moron!
December 7th, 2005 at 3:47 pm#33 The military budget is half of the collected revenue the government takes in (excluding social security because they aren’t supposed to be spending SS). I wouldn’t call that nothing. Especially when people in our own country can’t afford to eat 3 meals a day anymore (go read the letters people write to Bush on http://www.congress.org). Countries like Norway, Switzerland and Sweden do just fine without billion dollar defense budgets, and they have higher standards of living than we do. You should go visit them and see. Please, go…
December 7th, 2005 at 3:48 pmbecause of my attention to these things Tom Delay called me a traitor. I won’t tell you what I told him.
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:50 pmThere is a water and electricity shortage that fuels the insurgency. There 5 times as many incidents as last year.
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:52 pmWasn’t Iraqi oil revenue going to pay for all this? Or am I confused?
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December 7th, 2005 at 3:52 pmDecorated Vietnam War veteran Rep. John Murtha, a 17-term Democratic hawk from Pennsylvania, repeated his call for U.S. troops to pullout of Iraq immediately, an idea Bush has rejected.
“The American public is thirsting for a plan — they don’t see a plan, a way out,” Murtha said. “I had one of the generals tell us in a closed hearing … 20 years it’s going to take to settle this thing.”
“The sooner we get out, in my estimation, the better off we’ll be.”
December 7th, 2005 at 3:52 pm#41 You would prefer Hitler. He was a Christian. And unlike you, I am not making this up. He slaughtered the Jews because the Bible says that good Christians should do so. Hitler said he was killing Jewish people to honor Jesus. It’s a fact.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:52 pmRun-up to December 15 elections
The speech was the second in a series of addresses in advance of Iraq’s December 15 national elections. Iraqis are set to select a permanent National Assembly after choosing a transitional parliament in January and approving a constitution in October. U.S. military officials have predicted that insurgent attacks likely will escalate in advance of the election.
According to the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released November 30, nearly six in 10 respondents said U.S. troops should not be withdrawn from Iraq until certain goals are achieved. Just 35 percent wanted to set a specific timetable for their exit, as some critics of the war have suggested.
I Have no idea what those gos are, do you?
December 7th, 2005 at 3:55 pmThey give $150,000 bonuses to get people to re-enlist. They accept level 4 soldiers now. No draft was supposed to rid the army of level 4 people. I worry about the future of the military.
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:56 pmThanks for the pic of Prescott Bush, that good ole Nazi sympathizer. Now I know where Georgie got his hideously icky gross nose.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:56 pmRemember that the Iraq War budget is NOT currently included in Mr Greenspan’s deficit numbers. The Chimp wouldn’t count that in. So your deficit is even worse. Gold is over $500 and the Iranians are going to price oil in Euros. 2006 looks like a bad one for the ’shining city on a hill’
December 7th, 2005 at 3:57 pmRumsfeld for a long time lied about the absence of an insurgency
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:57 pmThe insurgency is not terrorism. Iraqis will destroy Al Qaida when we leave
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:58 pmThe insurgency is not terrorism. Iraqis will destroy Al Qaida when we leave
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 3:59 pm“By the way. I still think Hitler was preferable to Stalin. Stalin killed about thirty million or more while Adolph only a fraction of that. I bet we could have talked Hitler out of killing all those Jews too. Leave it to FDR to side with the communists virtually guaranteeing the deaths of 6 million Jews. You Leftist losers haven’t changed much either.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I”
Of course you prefer Hitler, he was a fellow fascist. Actually 35 million deaths have been directly attributed to Hitler and his attacks. That’s more than Stalin.
Once again MizzWrong show’s she’s devoid of all facts or details. And the blaming of the holocaust on FDR was CLASSIC FASCISM. Forget blaming the murdering fascists for killing all of the jews, it was the fault of the ‘commies’ for doing that.
What an absolute whacko!
December 7th, 2005 at 3:59 pmBefore the war the President said we don’t nationbuild. Now we have female terrorists who kill because they are angry about being turned away fron their homes in Fallujah.
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 4:00 pmPardon my language..but…Holy F*ck. That is a LOT of scratch. 100 Bill MORE? And what’s the bet it’s STILL not included as part of the budget?
December 7th, 2005 at 4:01 pmThere aren’t enough troops to protect the border and stop looters
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 4:02 pmLast year the President said there was a 70% satisfaction rate with the Iraqis. That was a lie
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 4:03 pm7 Then I went to Euphrates, and digged, and took the girdle from the place where I had hid it: and, behold, the girdle was marred, it was profitable for nothing.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:04 pm8 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9 Thus saith the LORD, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem.
10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
Withdrawal is inevitable. Diplomacy is the only hope. Convoys are under constant attack. The civil war is NOW, not in the future.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:05 pmMurtha for President?
December 7th, 2005 at 4:06 pmWithdrawal is inevitable. Diplomacy is the only hope. Convoys are under constant attack. The civil war is NOW, not in the future.
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 4:06 pmThus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David’s throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
I Am feeling a little Drunk , burp!
December 7th, 2005 at 4:06 pmOsama bin laden succeeded in defeating Russia in Afganistan by bankrupting them. He is doing the same thing to the US in Iraq. Murtha is right. Get out now.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:08 pmLet me define terrorism: Saudi Arabia asked us to remove our bases off sacred land because they said it would cause terror by Osama bin Laden. We did not. Al Qaida attacks. THAT’S terrorism. What’s going on in Iraq is not terrorism. It is an insurgency.
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 4:09 pmBush was advised that he had 3 months to stop the insurgency. He failed
-Murtha
December 7th, 2005 at 4:11 pmAnd this doesn’t include regular defense spending which is around $400 billion per year.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:13 pmIsn’t the Vietnam War officially listed as ‘65 to ‘75? Anyway.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:17 pmI would like to be a hobo on the ‘ MONEY TRAIN ‘ that runs from the taxpapers pockets to Irac and then to the RNC and other Republican politicans and oil companies.
This has to make the Mafia green with envy.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:22 pmNOT ONLY BUT HELL NO .
December 7th, 2005 at 4:22 pm14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:24 pm15 Hear ye, and give ear; be not proud: for the LORD hath spoken.
freedom is not free!,
December 7th, 2005 at 4:27 pmAre you trying to say something?
We seriously need a Revolution.
Comment by bless you? — December 7, 2005 @ 3:00 pm
December 7th, 2005 at 4:36 pmHell ya!! Weeeee!!!
Progresssives, democrats do something or hell will break loose.
I think that billion dollars Congress will ask for is to cover USAID’s BILLION DOLLAR GRANT TO STABILIZE IRAQ’S 10 MOST DANGEROUS CITIES.
This grant was made public the same day Bush unveiled his National Strategy for Victory in Iraq.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:38 pm100 Billion ay?
Oh but it’s not about the money.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:40 pmI say the trolls pay for it.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:41 pmbah, that 100 billion
December 7th, 2005 at 4:42 pmThat Guy ,
Rioting will bring about ZERO good.
You cannot stop the evil by spreading more evil.
No, America IS good, and the body of America will by it’s inherent natural processes, cleanse itself of this smelly bile.
The system will work, it has to. If not, I’m moving to Amsterdam!
December 7th, 2005 at 4:43 pmI Right I prefers Hitler to FDR? Did I just get that right? I mean, he says he prefers him to Stalin, but then goes on to blame the genocide of Europe’s Jews on FDR. Or maybe I misunderstand?
I will fight for I-Right-I’s right to his bigotry, and to have his voice heard, but from now on I have no respect for him. I lost relatives to Hitler’s anti-semitic Holocaust. I don’t need smug, angry, immature, deluded radical Right wingers, who can forgive a 300 billion dollar cost overrun in a war that was supposed to cost nothing and few American lives, but not a blowjob from an intern, lecturing me on how the world should work. I wouldn’t trust this man to organize an intramural softball team, let alone anything of real public importance.
IRI, it is my opinion that you are psychologically ill. Please seek help.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:54 pmI love the netherlends went there this summer im originally from paris and in some ways even france and the netherlands have more social freedoms than this country and their more responsible than us weed is legal and only 6% of the country uses while 13% here. I don’t advocate rioting but if you’ve ever seen what the police does to peaceful protesters then you’ll understand why there is the black bloc! Plus alot the ones that tear down and break are government paid teens making anarchists look bad were all about peace.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:57 pmHey “freedom is not free” where’s the Jew slaying Bible quotes? You do know that not everyone buys that nonsense, don’t you? After all an all-knowing god might know that the earth is round (Revelations quotes “the four corners of the earth”). I’m sure they’d get more out of it in some religious thread. It requires blind ignorance to believe that an intelligent designer created plants before he created the sun.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:00 pmBush is a terrorist or at least is causing it by invading Iraq for lies and money, plain and simple. These neocons are not conservatives.
They are trying to bring about a new world order. There will be a few really rich people and the vast majority of people will have nothing. So guess what, those with the money rule. Get used to it if these people continue to hold the whole government hostage.
Both of my Senators are neocons and I write them all the time. It does no good but we all need to write them and tell them how bad they really are. They really want to bankrupt the country so they can rebuild it the way they want.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:03 pm#80
I think you’re on to something. If Tom Delay can raise that much money that fast, then perhaps his sentance for his crimes should be raising the money himself.
Better yet we could tell him that it’s for the war in Iraq, and then use it for National Healthcare!
December 7th, 2005 at 5:06 pmNational Healthcare will happen, especially in a new world order. If no one has anything other than a few, they will have to keep us all healthy to keep those wheels grinding. I really don’t think they have thought this through.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:13 pmafter that one GTL, he’s now I-WISHIWASNT-I .
December 7th, 2005 at 5:23 pmCNN is pathetic. They are on hour 3 of the coverage of the shooting in Miami rather than doing a side-by-side comparison of Bush’s and Murtha’s remarks on the Iraq War. Murtha is a straight shooter, no BS, honestly disgusted with how the Bush administration is treating the military in Iraq and the obscene amount of money wasted on a war that should never been launched. Murtha deserves more coverage. I admire his courage.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:27 pmSpudge, that post number 6 was pretty good. I liked the graphics included.
Question?
Why dosen’t this BOTHER THE HELL out of the repubs?
December 7th, 2005 at 5:29 pm#41
Do you know what a troll is?
I said something against the Bush family. Considering that George W Bush doesn’t even use a computer, I would venture a guess that there isn’t anyone that posts at Think Progress that is in the Bush family.
Also, my comment is about the fact that Bush and further the Bush family has any concept of the value of a single dollar bill. It was also a response to somebody else who also posted an anti-Bush statement.
That mixed with the fact that this is an anti-Bush/anti-Republican site, means I will post all of the anti-Bush stuff I want.
I would have had to be either attacking somebody on the site and or posting off topic, for it to be trolling.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:41 pmAmen Linda, Amen.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:46 pmIf we stop sending money, won’t they have to come home?
December 7th, 2005 at 5:47 pmfreedom is not free: please, try to say something sensible
“…Jefferson expressed himself strongly on that larger apocalypse, the Book of Revelation, in a letter to Alexander Smyth of 17 January 1825: it is ‘merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy, nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our nightly dreams.’ Apocalyptic writing deserved no commentary, for ‘what has no meaning admits no explanation’; therefore, apocalyptic prophecies associated with Jesus deserved and would receive no attention from Jefferson in his Life and Morals of Jesus.” (E.S. Gaustad, “Religion,” in Merrill D. Peterson, ed., Thomas Jefferson: A Reference Biography, New York: CHarles Scribner’s Sons, 1986, p. 287).
December 7th, 2005 at 5:59 pm#88
It seems that they are only capable of thinking from fiscal quarter to fiscal quarter.
December 7th, 2005 at 6:20 pmEveryone talks about how small our FEDERAL debt/or annual deficit is compared to the gross national product.
That is for the most part a meaningless measurement.
A meaningful measurment is the National Debt or the annual deficit as a percent of Federal revenue (total tax collected and etc ).
A more meaniungful measurement would be as percent of discretionary spending, since much of our available revenue is commented for Medciare/social security/government and military pensions and other entitlements plus the interest on the debt ( that may already be the largest budget item). Then you will find these are big numbers when compared to what you actually have to spend.
Also note that 50 billion in replacement of equipment losses is not on the table yet in order to hide the cost of the war.
If you want to use the total GNP, then you need to add in the deficts of all economic enterprises including the states to get a more meaningful number.
9/11 was expensive, but only 1/3 of what Katrina will costs and only 1/4 of what the war in Irag is costing. Dont talk about drops in the stock market, that was another red herring. There were buyers and sellers as it dropped just like at any other time the market drops, and thus much of the value was converted to cash on the way down. And no one thinks that the money spent in Irag makes you safer ( well, 25 percent of the population does). The majoirty of experts thinks it has made you less safe as does the public.
The cost not counting human lives and the wounded and the care they will need for the next 50 years is now 420 Billion with next year. Plus this war is fought on a credit card, so you have to add the interest charges in, on the amounts being spent… so this is a 500 billion war now.
And the Vietnam war more than 8 years! We placed troops there in the 50s.
In real dollars this war will now cost as much as WW2 and no end in sight
If a car salesman told you a new car was going to cost you $20,000 and it then it actually cost you $5 million, would you be upset? Would you think the guy was a crook who lied to you. Well the Bush Adminsitration said the war was going to cost 2 billion and what it is now costing is 500 billion, the same magnitude of difference as the car deal!
Of course the guy who told Congress it would cost just 2 billion (a real financial genus), Bush made President of the World Bank. An administration w/o accountability!
Tic, Toc , Tic, Toc… Poof!
A Superpower that cant in 6 days lower pallets of water from a Hellicopter or cant build a levi or whose educational test scores dont rank even in the top 20 countries. Whose dsitribution of wealth (no 1 in 1980, before trickle down) is now about the same as Mexico. Whose infant mortality rate in D.C. is higher than in most 3rd world countries. Whose number of murders in its Capital, is more than all the murders in all of Europe. Whose murders in Seattle is more than in all of Canada. Whose real wages have dropped by 25 percent since 1972. Whose prisoners in jail as a perent of the population is the highest of any western nation. A country who since 1980 has gone from the largest creditor nation in the world to the largest debtor nation in the world. A country that had in 1972 the largest trade surplus in the world that went to the largest trade defict nation in the world by 1988 and keeps getting worse. The only country in the western world which had 50 million w/o health insurance.
Pls note that the Bush Administration in their budget excluding the cost of the Iraq war is having to cut military spending. And when the soc security surplus goes in 3 years, we will be lucky if we can pay Vets benefits! BUSH’s real love is cutting taxes on his future inheritance from his father and not the Military. He loved it so well, he could not show up for a physical!!
We now have Chenny saying that if we dont win the Iraq war we will have a single islamic nation strecthing from Indonesia to Spain. He must think he is El Cid! But none the less… what we are doing is creating another fundalmentalist Islamic republic… so how are we stopping his stupid fear mongering point??? If anything we are helping it to happen and what he is saying is a pile of FUD anyway!
Regards
Regards
December 7th, 2005 at 6:21 pmDoes anyone remember when Bush and the press said that Kerry and Edwards were lying during the debates when they said the war would cost 200 Billion?
December 7th, 2005 at 6:23 pmAnd do you think the people who voted for Bush in 2004 feel like fools now? With his approval rating at 34%, some of them must???
December 7th, 2005 at 6:25 pmSoon you won’t be able to find anyone who will admit to voting for Bush…just like after the resignation of Nixon.
December 7th, 2005 at 6:39 pmYea, I remember Jill.
December 7th, 2005 at 6:41 pmThey said the oil would pay for the whole thing.
December 7th, 2005 at 6:41 pmwhy?
You don’t think they’re not being straight with us, do you?
December 7th, 2005 at 6:42 pmI wonder if Bush would still be willing to fight this war if he had to pay for it. A special war tax to pay for the war levied on the richest 10% of Americans sounds fair to me!
December 7th, 2005 at 6:48 pmSo Murtha Speaks… and the cable channels show a stationary jet for 3 hours in Miami.
Another CON-venient MEDIA /Publicity STUNT to throw the news cycle? To displace Murtha? At the least, editorial perogative to Edit/Censor/Diminish other WORTHY NEWS.
Military Caliber Media PsyOps? … On the US Public.. with the FULL participation of Treasonous Media Cartel.
We the People, and states, RETAIN ALL Rights not Specifically Enumerated…in the Constitution… Amendment IX and Amendment X of the Bill of Rights!
Time for some creative thinking and acting on OUR part, as Citizens… where are Our Public Interest MINDED lawyers? Will you be dibarred if you help “We the People?”
December 7th, 2005 at 6:52 pmThe latest Bush speeches remind me of the “light at the end of the tunnel” statements of the Vietnam days. The REAL messaage is “bend over, spread your cheeks, you’re gonna be royally screwed.” GWB would not know reality if it swam up and bit him squarely in the ass. I would not believe King George if he said day is light and night is dark. NOw I know how the average German probably felt like living under Hitler’s Nazi state.
December 7th, 2005 at 7:27 pmAn innocent man killed in Miami and the media strikes a pose for hours and hours with the news… the peoples pocketbooks are being bankrolled as we speak and the media can only roll over and play dead… the “girly journalists” of TV. More money for the illegal war from an appointed president from a premeditated plan formulated in the ’80’s from corrupt politicians…
December 7th, 2005 at 7:29 pmCUT CUT CUT more domestic programs to pay for the WAR !!! Along with corporate america the government has the american citizen in a vise to squeeze and squeeze until to the knees we go …. a begger can’t be choosey …
Bush will get the $100 billion again. Then he’ll
address the American people. And with that sad look of
concern on his face, he’ll say, “Social Security is
broke.”
December 7th, 2005 at 8:00 pmWhich way to the barricades??
December 7th, 2005 at 8:04 pm100 more billion ? Pretty exspencive cakewalk . Hey makingsence this miami murder victim ? That ain’t by chance the guy Abramoffs thugs waxed is it .
December 7th, 2005 at 8:28 pmRE: #49 post “And unlike you, I am not making this up. He slaughtered the Jews because the Bible says that good Christians should do so. Hitler said he was killing Jewish people to honor Jesus. It’s a fact. ”
I’m a 1930’s and 1940’s historian. What you say is simply not true and is not a “fact.” Germany as a culture had a long history of extreme anit-semitism and an parochially inward culture which reviled outside racial and cultural groups. His rantings actually date in origin back to several German philosophers and sociologists in the 19th century. Hitler seized on the Jews as his scapegoat for Germany’s loss in World War I as they were a distinct and separate religion and culture, as well as commonly possessing different facial features and coloring, from the Saxon German. He was not exactly religion friendly to any group and sent Quakers, Seven Day Adventists and members of other churches who opposed him to the camps. He was, however, wary of the power of the Catholic church. If you read the Gobbels Diaries and similar documents, you will see that they were vehmently anit-religion in any formand none participated in any church after becoming imbued with the Nazi doctrines.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:15 pm#112
Your refusal to accept it deos not make it in correct.
My grandfather lived in Nazi Germany. Who is more likely to know, a theorist in denial or a man who experienced the horror himself?
In addition, Hitler has been documented saying that he was a disciple of Christ in numerous historical works. He was not only not anti-religion, but he was devoutly in favor of the Christian ideal of an Aryan race (features opposite of the traditionally dark Jewish features.) For instance, “Christ was an Aryan, and St. Paul used his doctrine to mobilise the criminal underworld and thus organise a proto-Bolsevism.” (Table-Talk, p. 143)
Biographer John Toland explains Hitler’s reason for exterminating the Jews “Still a member in good standing of the Church of Rome despite detestation of its hierarchy, ‘I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so,’ he carried within him its teaching that the Jew was the killer of God. The extermination, therefore, could be done without a twinge of conscience since he was merely acting as the avenging hand of God– so long as it was done impersonally, without cruelty. (p.703)”
In Albert Speer’s memoirs, Speer recalls Hitler as saying: “The church is certainly necessary for the people. It is a strong and conservative element.” [Speer, p. 95] Although Hitler approved of destroying Judaism and other cults, never did he give orders against the Protestant or Catholic Church. Why not?
Hitler has also said “We don’t want to educate anyone in atheism.” (Table-Talk p. 6), and “An uneducated man, on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism (which is a return to the state of the animal)…” (Table-Talk p. 59). And so much more.
You might not like that he was a Christian, but it is indeed a fact.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:23 pm“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…. And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people…. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.”
December 7th, 2005 at 10:25 pm-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922
We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only to God, our conscience, and our Volk…. This the national government will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of spirit and purpose of our Volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection….May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.
-Adolf Hitler, on 1 Feb. 1933, addressing the German nation as Chancellor for the first time, Volkischer Beobachter, 5 Aug. 1935
December 7th, 2005 at 10:26 pmThe Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were”…. I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:27 pm-Adolf Hitler, 26 April 1933
We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
[This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism.]
December 7th, 2005 at 10:28 pmImbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but strengthened the religious institutions.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:28 pm-Adolf Hitler, speaking in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1934
For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
December 7th, 2005 at 10:36 pmThe anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
December 7th, 2005 at 10:37 pmForming a Picture of the IRAQ conflict, since our PREZNIT wont do it, and FAUX Media is in Cahoots with. we need to FIND other Info, heres a Piece of the ‘IMAGE’ with many REferences
SYnthesis Article Here
What is the Wolf Brigade?
The most feared and effective commando unit in Iraq, experts say. Formed last October by a former three-star Shiite general and SCIRI member who goes by the nom de guerre Abu Walid, the Wolf Brigade is composed of roughly 2,000 fighters, mostly young, poor Shiites from Sadr City.
Are there any Sunni-led commando units?
Yes. At least one counterinsurgency unit is headed by a former officer of Saddam Hussein’s Baath Party. The Special Police Commandos, like the Wolf Brigade, have a reputation for brutality, but the group is also considered one of Iraq’s most effective and well-disciplined counterinsurgency units…..
December 8th, 2005 at 12:27 amEver wonder why bin Laden has been so quiet lately? He can relax and watch Bush turn U.S.A. into the United States of Arbusto.
December 8th, 2005 at 1:21 amDon’t know where GWB is gonna get all this money he’s requesting to keep this insanity going… Maybe he can tack it on to all the other loans we have with the Chinese government… Heck, all the Chinese government has to do is call in all those loans and they can put the last nail in our coffin and destroy what has taken 200+ years to build… Maybe now’s a good time to head for the hills…
December 8th, 2005 at 1:47 amSpudgeboy #16 I certainly haven’t heard about the Clintons being involved in the Carlyle Group–if so, I think I’ll drink hemlock. I’m not believing it and will have to investigate–like I did when I heard Michael Moore was a stock holder in defense companies — total b*** s***!
#53 – Terry the Turtle “Iranians are going to start pricing oil in euros” Oh!Oh! We all know what happened to Iraq shortly after they dared such sacrilege.
#84 That guy “gov’t paid teens” or actual FBI infiltrators cause most all havoc at peace demonstrations – the “urban myth” of anti-war protesters spitting on the troops was first reported in LA in the 60’s and the fbi infiltrators perpetrating this vile act were actually found guilty in a court of law. I’m not saying that it never occurred by others – monkey see monkey do….
#98 Viper- Thanks for pulling together alot of facts I have read in various places and have been meaning to do myself.
#112 Ann Where did you study history? I don’t want to send my kids there.
#117 et al unbelievable Thanks – I was about to pull out my history books and you saved me the trouble.
December 8th, 2005 at 4:17 amCut all Adm payroll and place a “hold” on all Congressional raises for the next 200 yrs and the proceeds to go to lowering the deficit. -Or- make Mommy and Daddy bale .w. out just like they have done in the past.
December 8th, 2005 at 4:18 amGeorge may as bloody well flew them planes into the towers himself.
December 8th, 2005 at 4:22 amMaybe Bush expects that if he keeps screwing up, Mama will send the Christmas card list to save him again, thus proving her love and reinforcing the power of failure.
My only consolation is that both “parents” lived to see Bunnypants revealed as a credulous fool, reviled as a murdering liar, undoing all their die-nasty building dreams.
Too bad he has to pull our country apart to finally get his revenge.
December 8th, 2005 at 4:45 amYes, money does grow on trees for the Bushies
December 8th, 2005 at 8:02 amHitler claiming to be a Christian does not make him one. Jesus taught the new dispensation called the Beatitudes, the new “Law”, check out Hitler or Bush to find if the adhere to the new dispensation or the requirement of Love that Jesus verbally demanded from his Apostles. Psuedo-Christianity has always existed and the masses can easily be persuaded by a counterfeit. Human fraility is always subject to delusion and manipulation, clever and evil politicians know this well. Bush and Hitler….counterfeit Christians more akin to anti-christs.
December 8th, 2005 at 9:20 amJesus verbally demanded LOVVEfrom his Apostles.????
December 8th, 2005 at 12:33 pmnew one on me.
where is that in scriptures, please?
December 8th, 2005 at 12:34 pmunbelievable, Adolf Hitler, Like everyone else in this world, was free to think, just like you are today. Unbelievable.
December 8th, 2005 at 12:40 pmunbelievable That God would set us FREE To Think for Ourselves.
December 8th, 2005 at 12:41 pmKnowing full well that we will eventually Destroy ourselves, Eh?
P.S. Says our Knowledge will eventually kill us.
December 8th, 2005 at 12:42 pmThats is in the Bible.
Tree of Knowledge.
@ #134 JBJ “Don’t know where GWB is gonna get all this money he’s requesting to keep this insanity going…”
Why do you think the government has decided not to publish the M3 stats anymore (total sum of circulating money). Wouldn’t that be so to allow the Fed to keep just printing greenbacks until the presses are red hot and extending credit limits into the sky?
December 8th, 2005 at 1:06 pm“…Total Fed Credit went up by an astonishing $6.2 billion last week…”, “…national debt exploded again, jumping $11 billion IN ONE FREAKING DAY on December 2. In one day!…”,”…the $6.2 billion in increased Total Fed Credit last week alone, when translated through the reserve multiplier inherent in fractional reserve banking, means an almost infinite multiplication of that credit into an amount of credit available at the banks!…”,
December 8th, 2005 at 1:12 pm(from: http://www.321gold.com/editorials/daughty/daughty120705.html)
…and as far as Jews and WWII are concerned, here an interesting article:
“Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America.
By Benjamin H. Freedman (1961)
from http://i.am/jah/freedman.htm [1]
Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century. Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States [2]. Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times. This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley’s patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman’s essential message to us – his warning to the West – is more urgent than ever before. – K.A.S.”
December 8th, 2005 at 1:16 pm…the text is quite long so I won’t post all of it here, just a few excerpts.
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The First World War.
What happened? World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. There are few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.
Within two years Germany had won that war: not only won it nominally, but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean. Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, with one week’s food supply and after that, starvation. At that time, the French army had mutinied. They had lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth in the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was defecting, they were picking up their toys and going home, they didn’t want to play war anymore, they didn’t like the Czar. And the Italian army had collapsed.
Not a shot had been fired on German soil. Not one enemy soldier had crossed the border into Germany. And yet, Germany was offering England peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the lawyers call a status quo ante basis. That means: “Let’s call the war off, and let everything be as it was before the war started.” England, in the summer of 1916 was considering that – seriously. They had no choice. It was either accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was magnanimously offering them, or going on with the war and being totally defeated.
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Stalemate in 1916. Zionists [29] Offer to get USA into the War
While that was going on, the Zionists [30] in Germany, who represented the Zionists [31] from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and (I am going to be brief because it’s a long story, but I have all the documents to prove any statement that I make) they said: “Look here. You can yet win this war. You don’t have to give up. You don’t have to accept the negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this war if the United States [32] will come in as your ally.” The United States was not in the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich; we were powerful. They told England: “We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the war.” In other words, they made this deal: “We will get the United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.” Now England had as much right to promise Palestine to anybody, as the United States would have to promise Japan to Ireland for any reason whatsoever. It’s absolutely absurd that Great Britain, that never had any connection or any interest or any right in what is known as Palestine should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the Zionists [33] for bringing the United States into the war.* However, they did make that promise, in October of 1916. And shortly after that (I don’t know how many here remember it) the United States, which was almost totally pro-German, entered the war as Britain’s ally. [34]
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USA Railroaded into World War I after Balfour Declaration
The Zionists [42] in London had sent cables to the United States, to Justice Brandeis, saying “Go to work on President Wilson. We’re getting from England what we want. Now you go to work on President Wilson and get the United States into the war.” That’s how the United States got into the war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in it than we have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room. There was absolutely no reason for World War I [43] to be our war. We were railroaded into (if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into) that war merely so that the Zionists [44] of the world could obtain Palestine. That is something that the people of the United States have never been told. They never knew why we went into World War I. [45]
After we got into the war, the Zionists [46] went to Great Britain and they said: “Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let’s have something in writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and give us Palestine after you win the war.” They didn’t know whether the war would last another year or another ten years. So they started to work out a receipt. The receipt took the form of a letter, which was worded in very cryptic language so that the world at large wouldn’t know what it was all about. And that was called the Balfour Declaration.
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Versailles
That is where all the trouble started. The United States got in the war. The United States crushed Germany. You know what happened. When the war ended, and the Germans went to Paris for the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know. Now what happened? The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations who claimed a right to a certain part of European territory, said, “How about Palestine for us?” And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized, “Oh, so that was the game! That’s why the United States came into the war.” The Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered the terrific reparations that were slapped onto them, because the Zionists [51] wanted Palestine* and were determined to get it at any cost.
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Effect on Germans when they understood Jewish Activity
That brings us to another very interesting point. When the Germans realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never been better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany. You had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You had Mr. Balin, [Albert Ballin-RW] who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German Lloyd’s and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was the banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in Hamburg, who were the big merchant bankers – the biggest in the world. The Jews were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. The Germans felt: “Well, that was quite a sellout.”
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Now Nahum Sokolow, and all the great leaders and great names that you read about in connection with Zionism today, in 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922, and 1923 wrote in all their papers (and the press was filled with their statements) that the feeling against the Jews in Germany is due to the fact that they realized that this great defeat was brought about by Jewish intercession in bringing the United States into the war. The Jews themselves admitted that. It wasn’t that the Germans in 1919 discovered that a glass of Jewish blood tasted better than Coca-Cola or Muenschner Beer. There was no religious feeling. There was no sentiment against those people merely on account of their religious belief. It was all political. It was economic. It was anything but religious. Nobody cared in Germany whether a Jew went home and pulled down the shades and said “Shema’ Yisroel” or “Our Father.” Nobody cared in Germany any more than they do in the United States. Now this feeling that developed later in Germany was due to one thing: the Germans held the Jews responsible for their crushing defeat (and the reparations, which ruined and crippled Germany financially).
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Germans fought Jewish Control
Some background is in order: In 1918-1919 the Communists took over Bavaria for a few days. Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht and a group of other Jews took over the government for three days. In fact, when the Kaiser ended the war he fled to Holland because he thought the Communists were going to take over Germany as they did Russia and that he was going to meet the same fate as the Czar. So he fled to Holland for safety, for security. After the Communist threat in Germany was quashed, the Jews were still working, trying to get back into their former status, and the Germans fought them in every way they could without hurting a single hair on anyone’s head. They fought them the same way that, in this country, the Prohibitionists fought anyone who was interested in liquor. They didn’t fight one another with pistols. Well, that’s the way they were fighting the Jews in Germany. And at that time, mind you, there were 80 to 90 million Germans, and there were only 460,000 Jews. About one half of one per cent of the population of Germany were Jews. And yet they controlled all the press, and they controlled most of the economy because they had come in with cheap money when the mark was devalued and bought up practically everything.
The Jews tried to keep a lid on this fact. They didn’t want the world to really understand that they had sold out Germany, and that the Germans resented that.
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So what did the Jews do?
In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world conference of Jews in Amsterdam, the conference broke up, and Mr. Samuel Untermyer, who was the head of the American delegation and the president of the whole conference, came to the United States and went from the steamer to the studios of the Columbia Broadcasting System and made a radio broadcast throughout the United States in which he in effect said, “The Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are now engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott against them. That will destroy them because they are dependent upon their export business.” And it is a fact that two thirds of Germany’s food supply had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the proceeds of what they exported. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of Germany’s population would have to starve. There was just not enough food for more than one third of the population. Now in this declaration, which I have here, and which was printed in the New York Times on August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that “this economic boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has advocated its use in the National Recovery Administration,” which some of you may remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless he followed the rules laid down by the New Deal, and which was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of that time. Nevertheless, the Jews of the world declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that you couldn’t find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with the words “made in Germany” on it. In fact, an executive of the Woolworth Company told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of crockery and dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted if anyone came in and found a dish marked “made in Germany,” they were picketed with signs saying “Hitler,” “murderer,” and so forth, something like these sit-ins that are taking place in the South. At a store belonging to the R. H. Macy chain, which was controlled by a family called Strauss who also happen to be Jews, a woman found stockings there which came from Chemnitz, marked “made in Germany.” Well, they were cotton stockings and they may have been there 20 years, since I’ve been observing women’s legs for many years and it’s been a long time since I’ve seen any cotton stockings on them. I saw Macy’s boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with signs saying “murderers,” “Hitlerites,” and so forth. Now up to that time, not one hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There was no suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there was nothing.
Naturally, the Germans said, “Who are these people to declare a boycott against us and throw all our people out of work, and make our industries come to a standstill? Who are they to do that to us?” They naturally resented it. Certainly they painted swastikas on stores owned by Jews. Why should a German go in and give his money to a storekeeper who was part of a boycott that was going to starve Germany into surrendering to the Jews of the world, who were going to dictate who their premier or chancellor was to be? Well, it was ridiculous.
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(I don’t necessarily endorse the statements made on other pages of the website indicated above, but this text most definitively gives me the creeps)
December 8th, 2005 at 1:26 pmright before he asks for the 100B, they will find Osama Bin Laden (or one of the clan). The vote will pass and somehow Murtha will commit suicide. In 2006 just before the elections for the house and senate, they will find another one of Osama’s main guys, the Republicans will retain their seats and suck more money out of the working class. Then Michael Moore will commit suicide. Just look at the past, that seems to be the theme here in america
December 8th, 2005 at 1:46 pm[...] Continue flow of gravy train (looting America) to Halliburton and other BushCo cronies, $300 Billion so far, Murtha says they already want $100 Billion more for next year. [...]
December 8th, 2005 at 2:44 pmKeith H, Just watch the film “Loose Change” or “911 In Plane sight” or go and check http://www.letsroll911.org
December 8th, 2005 at 4:27 pm#49 “He slaughtered the Jews because the Bible says that good Christians should do so.”
What? Did you get that?
On a more recent note: Murtha deserves more media.
December 8th, 2005 at 5:24 pmHitler was no more a “christian” than GWB. Both use “Christianity” to empower themselves with the religious masses.
As we are seeing now, the politicos and religious right are symbiotic–feeding off each other with mutual benefit. It’s the fault of ignorant americans who cannot see past “born-again” and the idea that “christianity” is the only religion to “save” people. Israel is another benefactor to our government’s symbiotic relationship to the religious right. The war in Iraq was fought for neo’s dominance of the Middle East, protection for Israel, and full control of the O I L! “The country that controls the O I L, controls the world”–benefiting Neo’s USA & Israel.
The rest of Americans are not represented, but are being unfairly taxed. “Taxation without representation is tyranny.” The last time Americans were confronted with that reality, they got up and fought–let’s see if we still have the guts!
Charm
December 8th, 2005 at 5:49 pmMorons – Hitler called HIMSELF a Christian, not me, not the historians, not the Atheists. Hitler called himself a Christian. Period. Get out of denial and live with the fact that being a Christian does not exempt a person from being a murdering tyrant. Look at the Evangelicals currently occupying the White House who is responsible for the deaths of 2,100 Americans and 20,000 Iraqis. And you know Bush is a Christian… why? Because he says he’s one, just like Hitler said he was one.
December 8th, 2005 at 6:30 pmWhy don’t we just run for Congress- form a network on the web of 435 patriotic ‘regular’ citizens one (or more) to run in every district in America. Universal materials work to expose the corrupt fools in both parties- ie expenses can be combined, and we’d utilize the talent of thousands of AWAKE Americans, working for truth and justice… Why not complete this internet revolution by taking the knowledge we have to the masses in an organized fashion. imagine if the progressive blog network picked up on this idea… we could make it happen.
December 8th, 2005 at 6:36 pmFrom the Bible:
Numbers 31:1-18: “…And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded moses, and they slew all the [adult] males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones…And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses…And Moses was angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Ba’laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”
December 8th, 2005 at 6:38 pmMore murder from the Bible:
Samuel 24:1-15: “And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah…Joab and the captains of the host went out…to number the people of Israel…So when they had gone through all the land, they came to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days. And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men…Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three things; choose thee one of them, that I may do it unto thee… seven years of famine…thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee? or that there be three days’ pestilence in thy land…the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel…and there died of the people seventy thousand men.” See also 1 Chronicles 21:1-14.
December 8th, 2005 at 6:39 pmA brief history of Christian treatment of Jews (in historical order) – keeping in mind that Hitler did not persocute Christians, because he was one:
1205: Pope Innocent III wrote to the archbishops of Sens and Paris that “the Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord…As slaves rejected by God, in whose death they wickedly conspire, they shall by the effect of this very action, recognize themselves as the slaves of those whom Christ’s death set free…”
1215: The Fourth Lateran Council approved canon laws requiring that “Jews and Muslims shall wear a special dress.” They also had to wear a badge in the form of a ring. This was to enable them to be easily distinguished from Christians. This practice later spread to other countries.
1227: The Synod of Narbonne required Jews to wear an oval badge. This requirement was reinstalled during the 1930’s by Hitler, who changed the oval badge to a Star of David.
1229: The Spanish inquisition starts. Later, in 1252, Pope Innocent IV authorizes the use of torture by the Inquisitors.
1236: Pope Gregory ordered that church leaders in England, France, Portugal and Spain confiscate Jewish books on the first Saturday of Lent. 1
1259: A “synod of the archdiocese in Mainz ordered Jews to wear yellow badges.” 1
1261: Duke Henry III of Brabant, Belgium, stated in his will that “Jews…must be expelled from Brabant and totally annihilated so that not a single one remains, except those who are willing to trade, like all other tradesmen, without money-lending and usury.” 2
1267: The Synod of Vienna ordered Jews to wear horned hats. Thomas Aquinas said that Jews should live in perpetual servitude.
1290: Jews are exiled from England. About 16,000 left the country.
1298: Jews were persecuted in Austria, Bavaria and Franconia. 140 Jewish communities were destroyed; more than 100,000 Jews were killed over a 6 month period.
1306: 100,000 Jews are exiled from France. They left with only the clothes on their backs, and food for only one day.
1320: 40,000 French shepherds went to Palestine on the Shepherd Crusade. On the way, 140 Jewish communities were destroyed.
1321: In Guienne, France, Jews were accused of having incited criminals to poison wells. 5,000 Jews were burned alive, at the stake.
1338: The councilors of Freiburg banned the performance of anti-Jewish scenes from the town’s passion play because of the lethal bloody reactions against Jews which followed the performances. 9
1347 +: Ships from the Far East carried rats into Mediterranean ports. The rats carried the Black Death. At first, fleas spread the disease from the rats to humans. As the plague worsened, the germs spread from human to human. In five years, the death toll had reached 25 million. England took 2 centuries for its population levels to recover from the plague. People looked around for someone to blame. They noted that a smaller percentage of Jews than Christians caught the disease. This was undoubtedly due to the Jewish sanitary and dietary laws, which had been preserved from Old Testament times. Rumors circulated that Satan was protecting the Jews and that they were paying back the Devil by poisoning wells used by Christians. The solution was to torture, murder and burn the Jews. “In Bavaria…12,000 Jews…perished; in the small town of Erfurt…3,000; Rue Brulée…2,000 Jews; near Tours, an immense trench was dug, filled with blazing wood and in a single day 160 Jews were burned.” (5) In Strausberg 2,000 Jews were burned. In Maintz 6,000 were killed…; in Worms 400…” 3
1354: 12,000 Jews were executed in Toledo.
1374: An epidemic of possession broke out in the lower Rhine region of what is now Germany. People were seen “dancing, jumping and [engaging in] wild raving.” This was triggered by enthusiastic revels on St. John’s Day – an Christianized version of an ancient Pagan seasonal day of celebration which was still observed by the populace. The epidemic spread throughout the Rhine and in much of the Netherlands and Germany. Crowds of 500 or more dancers would be overcome together. Exorcisms were tried, but failed. Pilgrimages to the shrine of St. Vitus were tried, but this only seemed to exacerbate the problem. Finally, the rumor spread that God was angry because Christians had been excessively tolerant towards the Jews. God had cursed Europe as He did Saul when he showed mercy towards God’s enemies in the Old Testament. Jews “were plundered, tortured and murdered by tens of thousands.” The epidemic finally burned itself out two centuries later, in the late 16th century. 4
1391 : Jewish persecutions begin in Seville and in 70 other Jewish communities throughout Spain.
1394 : Jews were exiled, for the second time, from France.
1431 +: The Council of Basel “forbade Jews to go to universities, prohibited them from acting as agents in the conclusion of contracts between Christians, and required that they attend church sermons.” 5
1434: “Jewish men in Augsburg had to sew yellow buttons to their clothes. Across Europe, Jews were forced to wear a long undergarment, an overcoat with a yellow patch, bells and tall pointed yellow hats with a large button on them.” 1
1453 : The Franciscan monk, Capistrano, persuaded the King of Poland to terminate all Jewish civil rights.
1478: Spanish Jews had been heavily persecuted from the 14th century. Many had converted to Christianity. The Spanish Inquisition was set up by the Church in order to detect insincere conversions. Laws were passed that prohibited the descendants of Jews or Muslims from attending university, joining religious orders, holding public office, or entering any of a long list of professions.
1492 : Jews were given the choice of being baptized as Christians or be banished from Spain. 300,000 left Spain penniless. Many migrated to Turkey, where they found tolerance among the Muslims. Others converted to Christianity but often continued to practice Judaism in secret.
1497: Jews were banished from Portugal. 20 thousand left the country rather than be baptized as Christians.
1516: The Governor of the Republic of Venice decided that Jews would be permitted to live only in one area of the city. It was located in the South Girolamo parish and was called the “Ghetto Novo.” This was the first ghetto in Europe. Hitler made use of the concept in the 1930’s.
1523: Martin Luther distributed his essay “That Jesus Was Born a Jew. ” He hoped that large numbers of Jews would convert to Christianity. They didn’t, and he began to write and preach hatred against them. Luther has been condemned in recent years for being extremely antisemitic. The charge has some merit; however he was probably typical of most Christians during his era.
1539: A passion play was forbidden in Rome because it prompted violent attacks against the city’s Jewish residents. 9
1540: Jews were exiled from Naples.
1543: In his 20’s, Martin Luther, had expected Jews to convert to Christianity in large numbers. Distressed by their reluctance, he developed a hatred for Jews, as expressed in his letters to Rev. Spalatin in 1514, when he was 31 years of age. He wrote:
“I have come to the conclusion that the Jews will always curse and blaspheme God and his King Christ, as all the prophets have predicted….For they are thus given over by the wrath of God to reprobation, that they may become incorrigible, as Ecclesiastes says, for every one who is incorrigible is rendered worse rather than better by correction.” 6
In 1543, he wrote “On the Jews and their lies, On Shem Hamphoras” :
“…eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God’s anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!…What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews?
First, their synagogues or churches should be set on fire,…
Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed… They ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like Gypsies.
Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer books and Talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught.
Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more…
Fifthly, passport and traveling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to the Jews…
Sixthly, they ought to be stopped from usury. All their cash and valuables of silver and gold ought to be taken from them and put aside for safe keeping…
Seventhly, let the young and strong Jews and Jewesses be given the flail, the axe, the hoe, the spade, the distaff, and spindle and let them earn their bread by the sweat of their noses as in enjoined upon Adam’s children…
To sum up, dear princes and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and we may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden – the Jews.” 7
1550: Jews were exiled from Genoa and Venice.
1555-JUL-12: A Roman Catholic Papal bull, “Cum nimis absurdum,” required Jews to wear badges, and live in ghettos. They were not allowed to own property outside the ghetto. Living conditions were dreadful: over 3,000 people were forced to live in about 8 acres of land. Women had to wear a yellow veil or scarf; men had to wear a piece of yellow cloth on their hat. 8
1582: Jews were expelled from Holland.
1648-9: Chmielnicki Bogdan led an uprising against Polish rule in the Ukraine. The secondary goal of Bogdan and his followers was to exterminate all Jews in the country. The massacre began with the slaughter of about 6,000 Jews in Nemirov. Other major mass murders occurred in Tulchin, Polonnoye, Volhynia, Bar, Lvov, etc. Jewish records estimate that a total of 100,000 Jews were murdered and 300 communities destroyed.
1806: A French Jesuit Priest, Abbe Barruel, had written a treatise blaming the Masonic Order for the French Revolution. He later issued a letter alleging that Jews, not the Masons were the guilty party. This triggered a belief in an international Jewish conspiracy in Germany, Poland and some other European countries later in the 19th century.
1819: During the late 18th and early 19th centuries, many European Jews lobbied their governments for emancipation. They sought citizenship as well as the same rights and treatment as were enjoyed by non-Jews. This appears to have provoked sporadic anti-semites to engage in anti-Jewish violence. The rioters cried “Hep! Hep!.” The origin(s) of this cry are not clear. Jews and their property were attacked first in Wuerzburg, Germany during 1819-AUG. The rioting spread across Germany and eventually reached as far as Denmark and Poland. 17
1840: A rumor spread in Syria that some Jews were responsible for the ritual killing of a Roman Catholic monk and his servant. As a result of horrendous treatment, some local Jews confessed to a crime that they did not commit. This “Damascus Affair” spurred early Zionist writers like Hess to promote the Zionist cause. 17 More details.
1846 – 1878: Pope Pius IX restored all of the previous restrictions against the Jews within the Vatican state. All Jews under Papal control were confined to Rome’s ghetto – the last one in Europe until the Nazi era restored the church’s practice. On 2000-SEP-3, Pope John Paul II beatified Pius IX; this is the last step before sainthood. He explained: “Beatifying a son of the church does not celebrate particular historic choices that he has made, but rather points him out for imitation and for veneration for his virtue.”
1858: Edgardo Mortara was kidnapped, at the age of six, from his Jewish family by Roman Catholic officials after they found out that a maid had secretly baptized him. He was not returned to his family but was raised a Catholic. He eventually became a priest.
1873: The term “antisemitism” is first used in a pamphlet by Wilhelm Marr called “Jewry’s Victory over Teutonism.”
1881: Alexander II of Russia was assassinated by radicals. The Jews were blamed. About 200 individual pogroms against the Jews followed. (”Pogrom” is a Russian word meaning “devastation” or “riot.” In Russia, a pogrom was typically a mob riot against Jewish individuals, shops, homes or businesses. They were often supported and even organized by the government.) Thousands of Jews became homeless and impoverished. The few who were charged with offenses generally received very light sentences. 1
1893: “…anti-Semitic parties won sixteen seats in the German Reichstag.” 2
1894: Captain Alfred Dreyfus, an officer on the French general staff, was convicted of treason. The evidence against him consisted of a piece of paper from his wastebasket with another person’s handwriting, and papers forged by antisemitic officers. He received a life sentence on Devil’s Island, off the coast of South America. The French government was aware that a Major Esterhazy was actually guilty. 3 The church, government and army united to suppress the truth. Writer Emile Zola and politician Jean Jaurès fought for justice and human rights. After 10 years, the French government fell and Drefus was declared totally innocent. The Dreyfus Affair was world-wide news for years. It motivated Journalist Theodor Herzl to write a book in 1896: “The Jewish State: A Modern Solution to the Jewish Question.” The book led to the founding of the Zionist movement which fought for a Jewish Homeland. A half century later, the state of Israel was born.
1903: At Easter, government agents organized an anti-Jewish pogrom in Kishinev, Moldova, Russia. The local newspaper published a series of inflammatory articles. A Christian child was discovered murdered and a young Christian woman at the Jewish Hospital committed suicide. Jews were blamed for the deaths. Violence ensured. The 5,000 soldiers in the town did nothing. When the smoke cleared, 49 Jews had been killed, 500 were injured; 700 homes looted and destroyed, 600 businesses and shops looted, 2000 families left homeless. Later, it was discovered that the child had been murdered by its relatives and the suicide was unrelated to the Jews. 4
1905: The Okhrana, the Russian secret police in the reign of Czar Nicholas II, converted an earlier antisemitic novel into a document called the “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.” 16 It was published privately in 1897. A Russian Orthodox priest, Sergius Nilus, published them publicly in 1905. It was promoted as the record of “secret rabbinical conferences whose aim was to subjugate and exterminate the Christians.” 5 The Protocols were used by the Okhrana in a propaganda campaign that was associated with massacres of the Jews. These were the Czarist Pogroms of 1905.
1915: 600,000 Jews were forcibly moved from the western borders of Russia towards the interior. About 100,000 died of exposure or starvation.
1917: “In the civil war following the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917, the reactionary White Armies made extensive use of the Protocols to incite widespread slaughters of Jews.” 5 Two hundred thousand Jews were murdered in the Ukraine alone.
1920: The Protocols reach England and the United States. They are exposed as a forgery, but are widely circulated. Henry Ford sponsored a study of international activities of Jews. This led to a series of antisemitic articles in the Dearborn Independent, which were published in a book, “The International Jew.” The Protocols were sold on Wal-Mart’s online bookstore until they were removed on 2004-SEP-21.
1920: The defeat of Germany in World War I and the continuing economic difficulties were blamed in that country on the “Jewish influence.” One antisemitic poster has been preserved from that era. 6 It shows a German, presumably Christian woman, a male Jew with distorted facial features, a coffin and the word “Deutschland” (Germany)
1920’s, 1930’s: Hitler had published in Mein Kampf in 1925, writing: “Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” The Protocols are used by the Nazis to whip up public hatred of the Jews in the 1930’s. Widespread pogroms occur in Greece, Hungary, Mexico, Poland, Rumania, and the USSR. Radio programs by many conservative American clergy, both Roman Catholic and Protestant, frequently attacked Jews. Reverend Fr. Charles E Coughlin was one of the best known. “In the 1930’s, radio audiences heard him rail against the threat of Jews to America’s economy and defend Hitler’s treatment of Jews as justified in the fight against communism.” (12) Other conservative Christian leaders, such as Frank Norris and John Straton supported the Jews. 7
Discrimination against Jews in North America is widespread. Many universities set limits on the maximum number of Jewish students that they would accept. Harvard accepted all students on the basis of merit until after World War I when the percentage of Jewish students approached 15%. At that time they installed an informal quota system. In 1941, Princeton had fewer than 2% Jews in their student body. Jews were routinely barred from country clubs, prestigious neighborhoods, etc. 8
1933: Hitler took power in Germany. On APR-1, Julius Streicher organized a one-day boycott of all Jewish owned busienss in the country. This was the start of continuous oppression by the Nazis culminating in the Holocaust (a.k.a. Shoah). Jews “were barred from civil service, legal professions and universities, were not allowed to teach in schools and could not be editors of newspapers.” 2 Two years later, Jews were no longer considered citizens.
1934: Various laws were enacted in Germany to force Jews out of schools and professions.
1935: The Nazis passed the Nuremberg Laws restricting citizenship to those of “German or related blood.” Jews became stateless.
1936: Cardinal Hloud of Poland urged Catholics to boycott Jewish businesses.
1938: On NOV-9, the Nazi government in Germany sent storm troopers, the SS and the Hitler Youth on a pogrom that killed 91 Jews, injured hundreds, burned 177 synagogues and looted 7,500 Jewish stores. Broken glass could be seen everywhere; the glass gave this event its name of Kristallnacht, the Night of Broken Glass. 9
1938: Hitler brought back century-old church law, ordering all Jews to wear a yellow Star of David as identification. A few hundred thousand Jews are allowed to leave Germany after they give all of their assets to the government.
1939: The Holocaust, the Shoah — the systematic extermination of Jews in Germany — begins. The process only ended in 1945 with the conclusion of World War II. Approximately 6 million Jews (1.5 million of them children), 400 thousand Roma (Gypsies) and others were slaughtered. Some were killed by death squads; others were slowly killed in trucks with carbon monoxide; others were gassed in large groups in Auschwitz, Dacau, Sobibor, Treblinka and other extermination camps. Officially, the holocaust was described by the Nazis as subjecting Jews “to special treatment” or as a “solution of the Jewish question.” Gold taken from the teeth of the victims was recycled; hair was used in the manufacture of mattresses. In the Buchenwald extermination camp, lampshades were made out of human skin; however, this appears to be an isolated incident. A rumor spread that Jewish corpses were routinely converted into soap. However, the story appears to be false. 10
1940: The Vichy government of France collaborated with Nazi Germany by freezing about 80,000 Jewish bank accounts. During the next four years, they deported about 76,000 Jews to Nazi death camps; only about 2,500 survived. It was only in 1995 that a French president, Jacques Chirac, “was able to admit that the state bore a heavy share of responsibility in the mass round-ups and deportations of Jews, as well as in the property and asset seizures that were carried out with the active help of the Vichy regime.” 11
1941: The Holocaust Museum in Washington DC estimates that 13,000 Jews died on 1941-JUN-19 during a pogrom in Bucharest, Romania. It was ordered by the pro-Nazi Romanian regime of Marshal Ion Antonescu. The current government has admitted that this atrocity happened, but most Romanians continue to deny that the Jews were killed on orders from their own government. 12
1941: Polish citizens in Jedwabne in northeastern Poland killed hundreds of Jews, by either beating them to death or burning them alive in a barn. According to the Associated Press: “The role played by Polish citizens was suppressed for nearly six decades until publication of a book by a Polish emigre historian, Jan Tomasz Gross. After release of the book in 2000, the Polish government launched an investigation. ‘The role of the Poles was decisive in conducting the criminal act,’ [prosecutor Radoslaw] Ignatiew, said. The book, ‘Neighbours,’ sparked national soul-searching among Poles, many of whom could not believe that anybody but the Nazis would have committed the atrocity.” 13
1942: The Nazi leaders of Germany, at the Wannsee conference, decided on”the final solution of the Jewish question” which was the attempt to exterminate every Jew in Europe. From JUL-28 to 31, almost 18,000 Russian inhabitants of the Minsk ghetto in what is now Belarus were exterminated. This was in addition to 5,000 to 15,000 who had been massacred in earlier pogroms in that city. This was just one of many such pogroms during World War II. 14
1945: The Shoah (Holocaust) ended as the Allied Forces over-ran the Nazi death camps.
1946: Even though World War II ended the year before, antisemitic pogroms continued, particularly in Poland, with the deaths of many Jews.
December 8th, 2005 at 6:53 pmHitler had published in Mein Kampf in 1925, writing: “Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”
You can buy and read Mein Kampf for yourself in his own words. He was a Christian who killed people in accordance with the Bible. Fact.
December 8th, 2005 at 6:54 pmI’m not saying all Christians are like Hitler, I’m just pointing out that your religion does not have an exclusive on morality and ethics, and before you condemn others, you should keep that in mind. There is no war on Christianity. We of different beliefs just want the right to not be Christians in this country. I have been persocuted for my lack of faith despite the fact that I have higher moral standards than most people. And the only way that might ever change is if we keep reminding the holier-than-thous like I-Right-I that the Christians have Hitler. He’s yours no matter how much you want to spin or deny it. So, before you criticize others who are not Christians, remember Hitler and try a bit of tolerance instead.
December 8th, 2005 at 6:59 pmHey, freedom-is-not-free, the Bible says “Four corners of the Earth” too. I don’t care what it says because I do not believe it was written by a god, or that there are gods. Quoting it to me is as meaningful as quoting the Qura’an or the Torah to you.
What I think what will end humanity is actually a lack of knowledge. It is blind faith that wages wars, hates others who are different, and destroys the planet because of some nonsense called Rapture. It is knowledge that teaches us tolerance of others, respect for our planet and universe, and understanding of morality and ethics of all living things. We do not need less knowledge, we need more. What we need less of is organized religion.
December 8th, 2005 at 7:09 pmLast I heard, saying you are a Christian is enough to be accepted as one. Perhaps those of you who actually are tolerant, loving and peaceful Christians should change the criteria for being in the club. Sorta of a litmus test. That way you can disown the people who smudge your good name, and, while you’re at it, maybe edit the smiting and incest out of your book. Buddhism is the only religion to have never had a war declared in its name. That could be some sort of inspiration for a genuine Christian reform.
December 8th, 2005 at 8:12 pmWe need…
- term limits for Senators.
- congressional terms extended to 4 years and two terms.
- congressional seats filled by lottery to better represent the melting pot that is America.
- free air time for political candidates, they are OUR airwaves after all.
- a TRUE progressive tax system minus the rich man’s loopholes. No wealthy man could have built his fortune without the working class and taxes used to build and maintain national infrastructures.
- mandatory congressional open houses during recess periods to guarantee constituent access, even to those who don’t have a big phat check in their hands.
- eliminate the electoral college. it’s grossly anachronistic in this age of information and communication.
- re-establishment of businesses as being simple contracted entities allowed to exist and operate with the permission of the people.
- total elimination of corporate donations to either candidates or political parties. personal, capped donations only!! no man can ever muster the resources that an ever-living organization can. this is, in my opinion, the root of the corruption that currently chokes our political system.
- our airwaves should be auctioned to the highest bidder in the form of annual leases.
- elimination of the congress ability to give itself it’s own raises. this could easily be done by a drawn jury every other year and in proportion with the average raises (not including those who earn over a $500K per year) of America for that period.
- tweaking of the code such that congress must either declare war or not go. it would also stipulate exacting benchmarks for conclusion of the war and a mandatory annual review which is open to the public.
- a law that mandates the president give at least four press conferences per year with exactly half of each to be Q&A. No pre-planned press rosters or questions either.
- a law that guarantees ALL americans access to presidential speaking events, even those people who are not signing presidential support contracts.
- elimination of recess appointments
- elimination of lifetime appointments of supreme court judges. 15 year terms and must be elected as every other judge is. let america live or die in the SC by it’s own hand.
- elimination of corporate tax shelters, period. either you’re an american company or you’re not.
- a law mandating that corporations who want to outsource an american job must pay the overseas worker 65% of the equivalent american’s pay. then we would actually be building overseas markets that can afford our products, and not just taking advantage of their impoverishment. not to mention dampening the greedy incentives for american employers to rush to china, mexico or some other fifth-world nation.
- ball busting of the chinese gov’t to quit holding it’s currency value down.
…that’s all i have for now.
Let the frothing rants begin.
December 8th, 2005 at 10:07 pmThey don’t have to grow money on trees. They just print it on a printing press.
December 8th, 2005 at 10:27 pmHey #49. “Hitler said he was killing Jewish people to honor Jesus.” That is not a fact. Hitler was into the Occult, he didn’t care about Jesus, and certainly didn’t do anything he did to “honor Jesus.”
December 8th, 2005 at 11:12 pmWe need to pull out now and end the killing and war profiteering.
December 9th, 2005 at 12:50 amGeorge W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfield, Paul Wolfowitz, and the others of this administration are Nazis, the reincarnation of Hitler, Goering, Goebbels, Himmler. They need to be arrested, tried ala Nuremberg style for their war crimes, and marched out to the gallows.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:01 amBastards! War criminals! GENOCIDERS!
December 9th, 2005 at 3:02 amHey #155 it is a fact, go read Mein Kampf. His own words.
Hitler had published Mein Kampf in 1925, writing: “Today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.â€
His words, his actions against just the Jews, no one else, and the reality. Know you don’t like it, but it doesn’t make it untrue. It is a fact.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:13 amThere are numerous quotes, facts and specific references for Hitler being a Christian, but nothing substantiated from those who oppose. And there is a good reason. I am a Historian. Specifically in German heritage. I wrote my Phd thesis on Hitler’s religious beliefs (my grandparents were slaughtered at Dachau). Hitler was not into the occult. He was openly a Christian who believed that exterminating the Jews would fullfill Biblical prophesy. Know it doesn’t go over well, but it is the reality.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:57 am“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
T.J.
“The stench will become so high in rank
December 9th, 2005 at 3:23 pmthat those who love the land
will ensure it’s fertilization.”
K.M.
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December 9th, 2005 at 9:28 pm[...] And now Murtha claims they’re going to ask for another $100 Billion early next year- since it’s an election year they’ll want to get that out of the way ASAP. [...]
December 12th, 2005 at 10:42 amUnbelievable – I undertstand that Hitler said these things. I am not disputing that. But He did not act on any direct Biblical order to kill the Jews. Absolutely nowhere in the Holy Bible are there any such commandments. It was not an act on behalf of Christianity just as the war in Iraq is not waged by the followers of Christ. Atheist, Agnostics, blacks and yes even Aryans bleed with the rest.
We should all stand against this war not as Christians or Americans, but as humans. Pray to whatever God you beleive in. We should not kill anyone for the sake of fortune. “These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace”. In the future we will fear the New World Order no more than we fear the Nazis at the present time. This has all happen before- is it that hard to beleive that its happening again. Political criminals! America will remember how to stand. Hopefully we as a people are smart enough to find a diplomatic answer to the current civil war. Hopefully this answer will come before the police state.
Support Murtha, and Ron Paul as well as other freedom defenders. Most of all support the immediate withdraw of American Troops from Afghan and Iraq!! No more blood for oil!!
December 12th, 2005 at 1:40 pmBREAKING NEWS:
ABC/ TIME MAG NEW POLL
7 in 10 Iraqis say their own lives are going well, and nearly two-thirds expect things to improve in the year ahead.
December 12th, 2005 at 2:24 pmHoly…
I had to do a debate on Iraq, and this looks like a gold mine of information…
So if they’ve already spent $250 Billion (well, 231)and are going to add another $100Bil… ouch…
Already we could have supplied basic vaccines to the whole world for 77 years or stopped half of world hunger instead of warring, and now ANOTHER $100Bil? Where’s it going to stop?
The argument against cash is…well…that is money more important than lives? I’ll be back later…
December 12th, 2005 at 4:18 pmNo one answered? Man, I’m stumped about this debate about wether it was worth stopping Osama…
I hope this thing ends soon. You guys have to look at the argument from both sides though…as in a debate.
+This war is costing far too much than it should.
-This war got rid of Osama, who was a tyrrant (excuse my spelling).
+This war is costing us a fortune.
-This war saved the lives of those who would have probably been killed by Osama.
-Iraq has a single battalion of military, it can’t fight on its own.
-If we leave, there’s a chance that insurgents will seize oil and if we don’t have oil, everyone’s going to be angry. Face it, we can’t live without oil…yet…
+The US government is supposed to protect its people, not put the life of its military on the line.
+With the money, we could have cut world hunger by half or supplied basic vaccines to everyone in the world for 77 years, probably saving a lot more people than this war.
+Iraq wants us out, Bush has a 34% approval rate, so the US must also want us out, and the Senate has a say in this too.
+ equals FOR the redeployment of troops.
- equals AGAINST the redeployment of troops.
Some of these are good points, for both sides! I need to counter all those againsts…and the senate too.
December 12th, 2005 at 9:43 pm[...] The audio for the Meet The Bloggers interview with Democratic candidate for US Senate Paul Hackett is up here. A transcript will be up tomorrow, but in the meantime, I thought the biggest news is that Hackett sounds like he’d vote for the $100 billion extra for the Iraq war being floated by the Pentagon. Partial transcription… Tim: So you would have voted “no” in 2003. On the infamous $87 billion supplemental resolution, how would you have voted on that? [...]
December 14th, 2005 at 8:10 pmPresident Bush makes Tricky Dicky look like a saint,with all of his lies and deceit, now this latest news that he signed an order to spy on American citizen’s e-mails and illegal wiretapping since 2002. Everything he does wrong, his people try to cover it up. This is America, and as American citizens we must demand this administration be held accountable for all the laws they have broken in the name of “protecting the American People”, we need somebody to protect us from this administration.
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