Iraq: The War To Start All Wars
Iraq: The War To Start All Wars
In yesterday’s Wall Street Journal, deputy editor George Melloan advanced startling rationale for the Iraq war. In Melloan’s view, the invasion was about creating a home base from which the United States can launch future wars against Iran and Syria:
The invasion of Iraq was not only about weapons of mass destruction…It was also about establishing a U.S. war-fighting beachhead in the heart of the Middle East, the principal breeding ground of terrorists. The invasion took out one terrorism sponsor, Saddam Hussein, and gave the U.S. a presence for intimidating two others, Iran and Syria.
According to Melloan, we need to finish the job in Iraq quickly – not so we can send the troops home – but so we can get ready to fight Iran:
Nowhere is the antipathy toward America and the West more clearly manifested than in Iran…Getting Iraq under control is urgent because of what may be the next threat in the Middle East.
Don’t expect the string of wars to end anytime soon. Melloan concludes that the fight could last “30 years in the view of some analysts.”
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Iraq; Iran; Syria — Little Boot’s Middle East Empire. Wasn’t this the reason why he was selected to for installation in the White House? It’s a page taken from the PNAC’s playbook.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:05 amGreat headline, by the way!
December 7th, 2005 at 9:18 amRiiiight! Iran doesn’t like the U.S. either soooooo, we should blow them up to.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:25 amBush wants Iraq’s oil and water ports, the military bases to keep an eye on Iran to the east and Syria to the west as well as other middle east support needs, and control of two fresh-water rivers — the Tigras and Euphrates. This is a long, long-term U.S. commitment. With our military half broken I’m curious how he’ll do it.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:26 am“In yesterday’s Wall Street Journal, deputy editor George Melloan advanced startling rationale for the Iraq war. In Melloan’s view, the invasion was about creating a home base from which the United States can launch future wars against Iran and Syria:
“The invasion of Iraq was not only about weapons of mass destruction…It was also about establishing a U.S. war-fighting beachhead in the heart of the Middle East, the principal breeding ground of terrorists. The invasion took out one terrorism sponsor, Saddam Hussein, and gave the U.S. a presence for intimidating two others, Iran and Syria.”
That is absolutely correct. No doubt about it and the fact has never been hidden. If it could be considered an open secret it is only because the Democrats knew full well what the plan was from the beginning and for political purposes refused to debate or attack it. How could they not know? Are they not on every committee?
The 9-11 attackers came from Saudi Arabia. Every Muslim thugocrady in the Middle East had a hand in supplying the various terrorist organizations with money, men and material. We’ve been attacked time and time again and the enemy is always the same, radical Islam.
It was no stroke of genius to plan a base of operations against international radical Islam from Iraq. It was practical and given Saddam’s messiah complex and murderous nature it was necessary. George Bush and Co. will go down in history as hero’s much like Jefferson who cleaned up the Barbary Pirates and made shipping safe around the African continent.
USA! USA! USA!
December 7th, 2005 at 9:30 amGo ahead and invade another sovereign country and see how fast the rest of the world bleeds your country dry, economically. Made in the USA will become a dirty word (phrase).
We will not stand for this. We are all linked globally and the U.S. will be boycotted worse than you are now. If you do not stand up, take responsibility for your out-of-control criminal government, and throw them in prison, you will feel the wrath of fed up citizens everywhere.
We have had enough of your warmongering….
Try something productive, for a change.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:34 amRight, your correct in saying that bushco will go down. However, it’s not the way you depict. They will be going down in hystory as the leaders, using this term extremely loosly here, that turned America into a mirror of what the USSR was.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:34 am#6 I agree with you and I am an American. I have been writting every Senator and Congressman, but the government is so caught up in bushes lies that they have to go along now and trying to get anyone to look at anything is impossible. Even physics….. The math says that the World Trade Centers were demolished by explosives, and many many scientits and others in the engineering community feel the same but cannot get anyone in the government to perform a proper investigation.
Trust me, if I could I would but I don’t have the power and right now thats what it is all about.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:38 am30 years of wars…damn we’re going to have to give a lot of tax breaks to the rich to be able to pay for these wars…
December 7th, 2005 at 9:40 amIT didn’t hurt either that Iraq has the largest known oil reserves in the world. :-p
December 7th, 2005 at 9:41 amIs i right i some ‘rasta’ patios?
Our nation’s motives were clear from the start if you were a careful observer. However, the Bush admin. used lies and deciet to convince the masses about the need to invade Iraq.
Lies + Deciet = Evil.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:48 amI have stated a possible theory close to this many times. That after 9/11 the US government advised the administration that in order to address the possibility of future attacks that it needed to place the US military in theater. Saddam’s noncompliance of UN resoultions offered the excuse to make that possible. I did not insist that this was fact but said to consider it a possible theory. Now it looks like some others are floating something similar. It is not that far-fetched.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:49 amWell, at least the WSJ finally figured out what many of us have been saying since the start of the war! With at least fourteen bases under construction it’s obvious that the end-goal has been to remain in Iraq forever. This prez has lied from the beginning and the press has been more than willing to look the other way. While bushco may claim great economic improvements in Iraq and at home, the future is dim. We will be dealing with the fallout of the misdeeds of this mis-administation for the next fifty years.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:50 amIRI says Bush’s intentions were an open secret. Not to the tens of millions of lazy minds that voted red while attacking those of us who voted blue.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:52 amMr.Melloan is correct. The next step, which will help delay the end time warof all wars, is to NUKE Iran . Syria will hafe to wait. I except Bush to NUKE Iran within ayear from now or sooner.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:53 amI-RIGHT-I,
December 7th, 2005 at 9:53 amMuslims and Arabs will never be what the USA appears to need them to be.
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I agree. The Neocons are and were smart enough to know Americans aren’t and weren’t up for endless war. Besides, the numbers don’t work. Running out of $ and meat was inevitable.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:55 amAvg TV Viewer, this administration is all about marketing. Figure out what kind of bs the normal joe will swallow and then sell it.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:59 amNow can we admit OPEC is a collusionary entity that should be outlawed? Is that WSJ article printed in Russian or Chineese? Is any one who has been paying attention to this suprised/ Also I-R-I #5 Saddam’s messiah complex? Muslim thugocracy? So what about Saudi Arabia? I’m confused you throw a couple of too many things together with your cheerleading. So what about N. Korea? What about the Democrats? Please wipe off your chin and give some more details. Thanks
December 7th, 2005 at 10:00 amYa, I can’t believe we’re gonna have to stay in that country just because we don’t terrorist camps to plan more mass murder….what are we thinking? Howard Dean for president!
December 7th, 2005 at 10:05 amIRI says Bush’s intentions were an open secret. Not to the tens of millions of lazy minds that voted red while attacking those of us who voted blue.
Comment by Opie
I voted for Bush because I believed he was going to invade the Middle East and turn the region upside down. This plan to present an overwhelming military presence in the Middle East to halt the spread of Islamofascism, make the thugs accountable and democratize the region has been extensively written about by every think tank and political pundit in America since 9-11. If it caught you by surprise it’s because you are ill-informed, complacent and totally wrapped up in Left Wing utopian nonsense. This isn’t news folks.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:09 amI-RIGHT-I,
December 7th, 2005 at 10:17 amWell, your apocalyptic vision has been derailed by errors.
You picked the wrong guy for this task. Better luck next time!
There are people in and around the Defense Department who want to take this thing global and to build an American empire. Just google Thomas P M Barnett. He’s written a couple of books, “The Pentagon’s New Map” and “Blueprint for Action”, and has a weblog. He’s brilliant, but he’s also completely mad – a modern Dr. Strangelove. What he proposes will not gain America hegemony, but will turn (is turning!) the world against us in much the way it turned against the Axis in WW2.
His blog is fascinating reading, really. Frightening at times, but fascinating.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:17 amAnd i right i’s notion of democratizing the Middle East is not utopian nonsense?
The run up to war was full of ’scary’ talk of the two bit dictator having WMD’s. PERIOD.
i right i is a f**king wierdo.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:18 amAnd by the way-I agree Americans voted for Bush BECAUSE of 911. But they, like myself, thought he would hunt down Osama and Zawahiri. Now we have female Islamoterrorists. NICE WORK!
December 7th, 2005 at 10:19 amMy take on a recent Juan Cole article:
December 7th, 2005 at 10:19 amOn how US topples Saddam and Iran wins in Iraq
In short, the Iraq war has been a great boon for the Islamic theocrats. They seem very good at taking advantage of oppurtuities we create for them. Perhaps our next war in the middle east will allow them to add Saudi Arabia to their collection.
I like the flypaper idea better.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:20 amWe liberated Iraq, so that we could draw crazy people there, so that they can blow everything up over there instead of over here.
Ah, well it is nice that the Wingers admit all
December 7th, 2005 at 10:22 amthis now after lying about it for years.
I suppose it was getting hard to keep coming up
with new lies to cover the old lies.
I wonder if this is the first volley in
the 2006 “American Empire” election campaign?
At least people will have the the real motives
to consider.
I think that’s a good thing.
I heard this two years ago and did not take it seriously. I am begining to belive that it is true. Supporters of the invasion of Iraq often say, “It was the next logical choice after Afganistan”, I say, so what’s the next logical choice after Iraq? You got it..
December 7th, 2005 at 10:22 amlojong
OxyConservative,
December 7th, 2005 at 10:22 amThat was not the plan. And it HAS NOT worked that way. But the phenomena has been trumpeted as policy.
I’m sure their intentions were to stay.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:22 amThings just aren’t working out as they had hoped.
IRI #21. I’m sorry what did you say about Saudi Arabia? Why did we have to leave Prince Sultan Airbase? I’m sure if 19 of the alleged Hijackers came from there we certainly would have attacked them. How could this be true. Were there UN sanctions against the Saudis? So we invade a country based on hunches and loose or poor intelligence but we maintain as an ally the country whos citizens are responsible for the only attack on our own soil since, well today in 1941. More details to support your theories, logic too would help. Thanks.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:23 amThe next logical choice after Iraq is a flipped congress in 2006. Neocons know that now.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:23 amOne problem, IRI,
You are losing in Iraq (just like the ‘Nam) and your girlfriend Bush broke the military.
Your problem is your extreme American Exceptionalism, what the rest of us call unbearable arrogance. There is no reason for you to feel exceptional about invading a sovereign country, a country broken down by past wars, sanctions and no fly zones. YOu talk about being the only superpower, yet you only go after the weakest of foes. The bully always tries to make himself feel better by taking on a weaker and smaller adversary.
You can’t even beat a poor, oppressed third world country. Once again, you are getting your ass handed to you.
LOL!
December 7th, 2005 at 10:24 amIRI, I think it is news. You and I may have seen a bigger picture but the rest of the nation does not think like that. They depend on Oprah and Katie Couric for their guidance. That’s a stretch but not a big one. The point is that the US could not publicly say what their true intentions were because that would not have allowed them to proceed with the best strategy. Terrorism is like the police trying to fight organized crime or gangs. When you know who is causing the trouble why would you give them the advantage of being the only one who follows the rules?
Fly-man, uh we can’t go after N. Korea, uh they have nukes. We have to use a different strategy towards them. Like economic pressure on China’s economy to get the Chinese to flex their influence.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:24 amWe will not stand for this. We are all linked globally and the U.S. will be boycotted worse than you are now. If you do not stand up, take responsibility for your out-of-control criminal government, and throw them in prison, you will feel the wrath of fed up citizens everywhere.
We have had enough of your warmongering….
Try something productive, for a change.
Comment by whiskeypete
I had no idea others were boycotting us. While I take no joy in saying this, the US is one of the largest suppliers of food and has, by far, the largest capital markets. You may be boycotting, but your government and your rich are continuing to invest here … why, because our markets are outperforming most, if not all others (for now, at least). The US is the only country who, singularily, could enage in a successful boycott … if the world got together and boycotted us, it would work … green speaks much louder than pink these days though … I don’t see it happening.
As a conservative, I’m not sure how I feel about the whole Iraq as a launching pad theory/idea … sounds a tad over-baked to me. I wonder if the WSJ failed to consider that a stable Iraq (and toppled dictator) might make the other psychos in the region less “froggy”, if you will. Seems to me to be the better scenario … not even the most hawkish of republicans thinks we have unlimited resources to fight a three front war. The Israel/Palastine problems have cooled greatly since we invaded Iraq … say what you want about why we’re there, but a bully becomes less bold when another bully gets his nose bloodied.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:24 amThe Modern Republican Party-”Proudly Feeding your children into the gaping maw of the military industrial war machine year after year, for duty, honor and above all the corporate bottom line.
-GSD
December 7th, 2005 at 10:26 amJust for the record, so we all
remember:
15 Saudis
1 Egyptian
1 Lebanese
2 United Arab Emirates
I’m SURE even one more Saudi would
December 7th, 2005 at 10:26 amhave tipped the scales. Right?
Fly-man,
December 7th, 2005 at 10:26 amDid you happen to catch the video of Saudi Elite Gaurd fleeing an attack on a US embassy yestarday?
Saudi, muslims, Arabs?-Will never be our friends until they move here and open up hardware store and learn what a US foot is.
“And by the way-I agree Americans voted for Bush BECAUSE of 911. But they, like myself, thought he would hunt down Osama and Zawahiri. Now we have female Islamoterrorists. NICE WORK!”
But Bush perpetrated 9/11 BECAUSE he knew Americans would vote for him to go after Bin Laden. Except Bin Laden is a Carlyle/Poppy business partner. Silly Americans. You fall for the bait and switch so easily.
Please don’t ever vote for another incompetent, lying, criminal sack-o-shit repub again.
Thanks. signed – The Planet.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:29 amYou are losing in Iraq (just like the ‘Nam) and your girlfriend Bush broke the military.
According to whom ??? The MSM? I guess you’ve been there. The facts are while Iraq is not going well as the White House thought it would, the only way we lose is if we leave. The vast majority of that nation is stable … would you personally go out an vote here in the US if you thought a terrorist would blow you up … maybe, but most likely not. The people of Iraq voted in larger percentages than the people of the US did … if it was as bad as you think, they never would’ve even had polling places let alone a large turnout.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:29 amIraq: The war to start all wars
In a stunning admission by the radical right-wing conspiracy, the GOP Journal deputy editor George Melloan reveals the real rationale behind the Iraq War. Think Progress has the story…
Now that sounds more like the PNAC Pax Americana agenda.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:32 am…why, because our markets are outperforming most, if not all others (for now, at least).
Atleast you’re honest. China is going to be the next corner store.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:32 amAs for Iraq theory? Bush is not a very smart man. He has been lied to that Iraq would be a domino. And the domino theory has been expoused and propagated by members of this gov’t.
Well Geo, there is lots you are not aware of because you are a close minded, myopic, arrogant and xenophobic American. – here is but one sign – http://www.stopusa.org/
You’ll have to do the rest of your homework yourself.
You are not the only country on the planet.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:33 amGiacomo,
After the war, Iran voted in a very hardline, tough talking and very anti-American leader. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. If the Republican logic was correct, Iran should have become more moderate from fear of the American war machine on their nations doorstep. Didn’t happen.
Egypt just had elections and the hardliner Egyptian Brotherhood just wond many more seats than expected. Again, the conservative wisdom would have had moderates winning seats.
Venezuela has just cut a large military deal with Spain all while the leader of Venezuela refers to George W. Bush as “Mr. Danger”.
Russia just cut a billion dollar weapons deal with Iran.
The one big victory for Bush was cutting a deal with Ghaddaffi..in other words, negotiating with a terrorist regime that was bombed by Reagan and helped to blow-up a jet full of civilians over Lockerbie Scotland.
All is not going as planned in Iraq…there are now Iraqis who are meaving Iraq to blow-up shit in other countries, witness recent Jordanian bombings…..And the US military, the most powerful military in the world has been tied up for almost 3 years fighting a “handful of dead enders”…No wonder some of the nations mentioned above are not afraid to thumb their noses at us.
If we pick a fight with Iran, get ready for lots of dead people. Lots of them.
-GSD
December 7th, 2005 at 10:33 amYeah ATV,
I also think Bush got played by others.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:34 amThink he knows it yet, or is the bubble
still holding?
whiskeypete ,
December 7th, 2005 at 10:34 amI’m fine with conspiracy. And I believe Bush and the Neocons could do something like that. But until you have some HARD PROOF your comments make the progs look like clowns.
Mr. Ben I’m sorry I mixed some sarcasm in with my questions for IRI.regarding N. Korea. I just wish the modern repulican party, as GSD so acurately describes, would just come out an be honest and tell us it’s for the money and maybe skip the anti-homo, anti- secular dogma while they’re at it.ATV ; “Got Link” thanks to all
December 7th, 2005 at 10:35 amRemember Scott Ritter?
December 7th, 2005 at 10:36 amHe warned us that Iran was the next goal. You can see it in the rhetoric and the number of trolls (paid shrills) that pounce on any story like this.
auto transport
Bush’s mistake is he believed it would be easy. But make no mistake, he was just as much on board as Cheney et al.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:36 amI don’t worry about terrorists because my country has an international reputation for goodwill and assistance, not warmongering, death and destruction.
The “MSM” is an American thing. When you evolve a little, you will find alternative sources of information.
“The facts are while Iraq is not going well as the White House thought it would, the only way we lose is if we leave. The vast majority of that nation is stable …”
According to whom ??? The MSM? I guess you’ve been there.
what a loser….
December 7th, 2005 at 10:36 amWasn’t this all in the neocon book that came out in about 1990? Come on, this is old news. Face facts: We’ve got some scary folks in charge of this country who wouldn’t know how not to lie. Their militaristic plans aim to turn us into some sort of world overlord nation, but will likely bleed our economy dry a la the USSR.
Steal the P!
The Missing P Project
http://www.geocities.com/themissingPproject
December 7th, 2005 at 10:36 am46 – you only look like clowns if you accept that narrative about yourself. I’m not much for labels myself.
How many over the top theories have to be proven before you stop giving these people any benefit of the doubt?
Gulf of Tonkin, Iran Contra, WMD in Iraq, I mean c’mon….it’s called Extreme Hubris.
Don’t fall for the repub PC correctness attack. This is way bigger than any of us can comprehend. They will do anything to stay in power.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:40 amHere is a great link for those of you who missed it from Pat Buchannan.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:40 amhttp://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47645
Speaking of startling rationales, are you aware of Scott McClellan’s take on war critics?
McClellan took comments by Bush out of context, creating a potential rallying cry for conservatives.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:41 amIf I were into PC correctness I wouldn’t be here! I’m still glad you’re on our side Fly-man. If there was a conspiracy, it will come out.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:43 amGSD
“The one big victory for Bush was cutting a deal with Ghaddaffi..in other words, negotiating with a terrorist regime that was bombed by Reagan and helped to blow-up a jet full of civilians over Lockerbie Scotland.”
Even this was going on behind the scenes before Bush got to it. I wouldn’t give him any credit on that.
Hypocrisy – this is why the American reputation is shit in the world. “Do as we say, not as we do…”
December 7th, 2005 at 10:44 amLaunch all these wars with what, anyway? A few squads of mercenaries, courtesy of Blackwater USA, CACI International and Custer Battles, we can guess.
We are being led by a cult.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:46 amZawahiri’s recent commentary is that of a man who wants the USA to stay in Iraq…
December 7th, 2005 at 10:51 amI see you have an eye for weak posts, I-RIGHT-I. That’s to be expected.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:56 amIRI, you posted first, be nice(RE:59) I’m sure he voted and pays taxes.So please respond to the question I asked about your post, How about Saudi Arabia? You brought it up. I know some times it’s hard for logic and facts to be part of current discussions so that’s why I always ask for more. Thank you for your time.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:59 amDon’t fall for the repub PC correctness attack. This is way bigger than any of us can comprehend. They will do anything to stay in power.
Comment by whiskeypete
What are you going to do if we decide to steal your oil? Hummm?
December 7th, 2005 at 10:59 amIRI, you posted first, be nice(RE:59) I’m sure he voted and pays taxes.So please respond to the question I asked about your post, How about Saudi Arabia? You brought it up. I know some times it’s hard for logic and facts to be part of current discussions so that’s why I always ask for more. Thank you for your time.
Comment by the Fly-man
Huh? Did my Q & A post not post?
December 7th, 2005 at 11:01 amIs this the big picture McCain was talking about the other day?
If so, it is even more important to support Murtha, what the hell has this guy gotten our country into…he can’t even run a successful baseball team and now he GIVES HIMSELF the task of taking over an entire region and transforming it…yeah, we’ll see!
Join Murtha’s original resolution in stopping this deadly war (not the republican’s version of it)!!!
December 7th, 2005 at 11:01 amJust keep on talking, I-RIGHT-I. Keep on talking.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:02 amaverage tv viewer,
further to my above point, the dems have been getting their pansy asses kicked consistently for years. Why? They are wishy washy pussies with no backbone. If you have a message, you stand up and repeat it over and over. If the right starts with their false outrage (do you believe these people are outraged by anything anymore?)you ignore them and keep up with your message. That’s what they do.
No, the dems trip and fall all over themselves to back away from each other. No wonder they are such losers. Here’s an example –
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/06/AR2005120601707_pf.html
“Dean’s take on Iraq makes even less sense than the scream in Iowa: Both are uninformed and unhelpful,” said Rep. Jim Marshall (D-Ga.), recalling Dean’s famous election-night roar after stumbling in Iowa during his 2004 presidential bid.”
I mean I see the “D” but I swear this loser is in with the right. What good could bringing up the scream do for anyone in the dem party? It was such a silly and trivial episode hyped out by a whore media and whore repubs, and the dems cowered and turned on him like no one’s business. If only they could go after the real criminals with even an ounce of the zeal that they take out their own.
Go to Bartcop.com That man understands…
December 7th, 2005 at 11:02 amJust keep on talking, I-RIGHT-I. Keep on talking.
Comment by Average TV Viewer
What’s your problem now?
December 7th, 2005 at 11:03 amIRI,
you are not in a position to decide anything. Anyway, go ahead and invade. That would be economic suicide.
Looks like you are the ones who need bailing out.
Quoting Pat Buchanan? That’ll get you some credibility.
hahaha!
December 7th, 2005 at 11:05 amThere is something amiss with the Dems-for sure. The Dems get alot of support from AIPAC. This explains their actions. They’re playing the wait and see game. It will F*CK them.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:05 amJust watching you pan-fry the little ones and throw back the big ones, that’s all.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:07 am““I’m one of those Kanookistanian pussies and appeasers who never met a terrorist thug I couldn’t make my friend. If we get in trouble the USA will bail us out.—
Translation: I’m one of those ignorant ugly americans who knows jack shit, except spouting off a lot of tired old 50s rhetoric.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:08 amIRI,
you are not in a position to decide anything. Anyway, go ahead and invade. That would be economic suicide.
Looks like you are the ones who need bailing out.
Quoting Pat Buchanan? That’ll get you some credibility.
hahaha!
Comment by whiskeypete
If I were in a position to make decisions regarding Kanaduh I’d fix your wagon for you. But what the hell, basically you have a lot of oil, make good beer and are otherwise irrelevant to Americans. It’s just too bad we can’t count on you to watch our back. The least you could do though is invite all of our homosexuals up there to join you.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:09 amAl-Zawahri calls on Iraqi insurgents to unite
Full-length version of tape previously aired urges attacks against oil targets
NBC VIDEO
• Al-Zawahri claims bin Laden is alive
Dec. 7: Al-Qaida’s deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahri claims that
, according to a video broadcast by the al-Jazeera.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:09 amToday show
I’m sorry IRI I’ll put it a vernacular delivery you might be able to understand, IE: Repeat things 3 times then your GOP radar will pick it up as point of interest. What about the 19 hijackers being Saudi ? Why shouldn’t we have invaded them? Saddam never bombed us or murdered 3500 Americans on our own soil. Please help me with your logic. Also I will gladly read any link you have that suggests or supports any of your ideas, like the Saddam messiah reference you made. Thanks
December 7th, 2005 at 11:09 amJust watching you pan-fry the little ones and throw back the big ones, that’s all.
Comment by Average TV Viewer
Name the big one I’ll see what I can do for you. I thought I hit all the high spots.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:10 amG-
you said:
“The facts are while Iraq is not going well as the White House thought it would, the only way we lose is if we leave.”
but staying the course and expanding sounds like a winning strategy? How do we win, I don’t know, you don’t know, and this administration sure as hell doesn’t know.
What happens with all of these shell defense contractors when they are forced to close shop after the investigations plan out…hopefully the money wheel will stop (or slow down) and we will no longer have the need to be at war to keep it going!!!!
December 7th, 2005 at 11:13 amIRI,
December 7th, 2005 at 11:15 amOkay, on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the plan vs. implementation of the Iraq war?
IRI #21, you missed my point at #14 completely. I fully understood that Bush would turn the middle east upside down — in a perverse way. Blue voters in general did, too. With no evident gameplan to this day, the old saying “if you don’t know where you’re going, you’ll end up some place else” fits Bush perfectly. Bush, as well as the average joe, do not have the skill set to evaluate the myriad complexities of our intrusion into the middle east. And I don’t say that about the average joe to be snotty. Also, I’m curious, how is you are so certain about Bush’s intentions when, think tank and political pundit aside, this administration has no track record of stringing two sentences together without first misrepresenting or twisting the truth? What wallpaper are you a fly on to guarantee your info?
December 7th, 2005 at 11:16 am10 representing a perfect match twixt the 2-
December 7th, 2005 at 11:16 amI-R-I – you are a vile Nazi thug as evidenced by your posts. You’ll find the rest of the world opposed to your disgusting, xenophobia and we’ll dance on your grave until the flowers return.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:18 amWe;; I’m going to go eat Cheerios and watch ice evelope Dallas. See ya. Remember, IRI:
December 7th, 2005 at 11:21 amTo thine self be true!
Al-Zawahri calls on Iraqi insurgents to unite
Full-length version of tape previously aired urges attacks against oil targetsNBC VIDEO
ATTACK THE OIL, PLEASE, BLOWUP THE PIPELINES~!!!!!
December 7th, 2005 at 11:21 amDecember 7th, 2005 at 11:23 am
The day George Bush was elected, the Prophet, WORFEUS, predicted the following:
“this man will start World War 3″.
These words came to WORFEUS, not of himself, but from above. They were not a thought, merely an utterance, a prophecy.
I hope the Prophet WORFEUS, is wrong, wrong wrong.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:35 amIRI,
Okay, on a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate the plan vs. implementation of the Iraq war?
Comment by Average TV Viewer
I wasn’t privy to the “plan”, like you, all I had access to was the outline so I don’t know how to answer that. As far as the prosecution of the Iraq war…I don’t think we handled the Sunni problem well at all, meaning we didn’t kill enough Sunni Ba’thists when we had the opportunity. The siege of Fallujha for example was a failure thanks to the weaklings at State and pressure from Democrats to ease up on the poor widdle terrorists.
In addition George has been weak handling the “loyal opposition” who try and weaken our position in the war at every opportunity. When I say Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, Murtha and Kennedy are traitors who should be hung or imprisoned, I mean it.
By the way kiddies, name calling doesn’t bother me. I know how old most of you are.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:38 amwhiskeypete—- You could be a little less sarcastic, but what you say is what I’ve been waiting to hear from someone outside this insane country. (Where are you from?) It has come to this: our only hope is the good sense of foreign countries. Putting the Republicans out of power will help, but the Democrats are not challenging them and they will do no better. Think about it: why aren’t they (and the “liberal” media) going crazy about this? If they were so “liberal”, they’d seize on one event (the Downing Street Memo, say) and use it to focus their opposition, but they’ve been handed dozens of opportunities and have done nothing.
This admission by the WSJ should not be a surprise—-it’s always been the plan to establish a base for future wars of conquest. Do you think these people say what they mean? Granite State Destroyer thinks that according to Republican logic Iran should have become more moderate. Their “logic” is actually propaganda. They want Iran, Syria & Egypt to become radicalized. How else can they fight a war? They need enemies, not friends.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:38 amThe siege of Fallujha for example was a failure thanks to the weaklings at State and pressure from Democrats to ease up
I don’t recall this pressure. Who pressured?
December 7th, 2005 at 11:41 am…I don’t think we handled the Sunni problem well at all, meaning we didn’t kill enough Sunni Ba’thists when we had the opportunity.
This notion is contrary to popular Neocon thought that not ENOUGH Sunnis have been involved in security and the democratic policy. Are you sure you support the President, IRI?
December 7th, 2005 at 11:45 amIRI #21, you missed my point at #14 completely. I fully understood that Bush would turn the middle east upside down — in a perverse way. Blue voters in general did, too. With no evident gameplan to this day, the old saying “if you don’t know where you’re going, you’ll end up some place else†fits Bush perfectly. Bush, as well as the average joe, do not have the skill set to evaluate the myriad complexities of our intrusion into the middle east. And I don’t say that about the average joe to be snotty. Also, I’m curious, how is you are so certain about Bush’s intentions when, think tank and political pundit aside, this administration has no track record of stringing two sentences together without first misrepresenting or twisting the truth? What wallpaper are you a fly on to guarantee your info?
Comment by Opie
Your characterization of Bush is right out of the Left Wing Walking Dead Losers playbook. You are wrong as his success and ability to do whatever he wants has proven. Regardless of your talking points, Afghanistan is free, Iraq is free and the Muslim thugocracies have been put on notice. Thanks to Bush (with help from the impotent and crooked Zeropeans) the UN is more irrelevant today than it has ever been and more and more countries are damning the French, Germans and Russians for their part in appeasing and enabling the terrorists they find on their own soil.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:45 amThis notion is contrary to popular Neocon thought that not ENOUGH Sunnis have been involved in security and the democratic policy. Are you sure you support the President, IRI?
Comment by Average TV Viewer
Please provide some proof to support that statement.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:46 amI would like to hear more from the trolls regarding the recent failing grade (F) presented by the 911 Commission. Are we safer now?
December 7th, 2005 at 11:47 amDems Of Anyone
Need a “POWERBASEâ€.
Murtha, Dean,Wesley Cark, John Kerry, Ralf Nader, Babara Boxer.
ISNT ANYONE LISTENING?
WHERE ARE THE MINDS OF SO CALLED GREAT MILITARY LEADERS THESE DAYS?
ARE THEY TOO AGAINST REFORM, REDRESS, Change the Course?
REFORM,REDRESS,CHANGE THE COURSE!
December 7th, 2005 at 11:47 am
more and more countries are damning the French, Germans and Russians for their part in appeasing and enabling the terrorists they find on their own soil.
What the hell does THAT mean? Jeesh!
December 7th, 2005 at 11:47 amMy kids won’t fight for this country in these future wars, too intelligent, but we are willing, able and motivated to fight the right.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:48 amSend IRI and his kids and let them become Iraqi road pizza. Haaaahahaaaahhaaaa. Just picturing that makes me happy! Serve me BOY!
That is Lieing Propaganda, IwrongY.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:50 amAmerica is being Damned by more and more countries !
Idoicy is your trait?
BTW 39% is not success. I lived in NYC and was married to a NY fireman. The radios were the largest problem as there was no contact between supervisors. The NYFD kept going up the stairs and had no idea what was ahead of them. They also kept telling people in the building to go further up to the roof. Again, communication would have saved many lives, especially firemen’s lives.
Now that absolutely NOTHING has been accomplished in this respect, how could we ever say we are safer?
December 7th, 2005 at 11:51 amIRI , I ceratinly am not entitiled to a response regarding my questions about your comments POST#5. I understand our commander in chief uses the same tactic all the time, deflect the question or answer what only he feels is a pertinent so if you did answer my question about the Saudi hijackers and their relaevance to us invading Iraq and not Saudi Arabia I apologize but your post #63 seems a little bit disengenuous. I’m sorry could you just repost your answers for me. Thanks.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:51 amwho is leading this NeoCon agenda, my guess: George Lucas…he’s a “big thinker”
December 7th, 2005 at 11:53 am” The Shia and the Kurds that participated fully in the elections had been reaching out to the Sunnis which is a very positive thing. “
-Rumsfeld
December 7th, 2005 at 11:54 amYou know, often the war argument dissolves into one of “we don’t give a cr**, we’ll kill you all and take what we want because we’re the USA” (Mr I-RightArmRaised-I’s position) versus one of “Who would Jesus bomb?” which is a fair comment – for a so-called Christian moral nation, the US does kill a lot of people – mostly ‘collateral damage’.
But what about the Bismarckian argument for arguing against Iraq and the wider PNAC manifesto? The one that simply says “is it in the interest of the US to use it’s armed forces in an unrestricted campaign to impose US military and economic hedgemony on the world?”. By that yardstick, the precipitous fall off in goodwill around the world towards the US after the 9-11 highs (Le Monde: “We are all Americans now”), the US is hated more today than at any other point in its history. The US is also weaker economically than at any moment since the Civil War. Its armed forces are hopelessly stretched in defending its economic empire. And a few thousand armed fanatics can swim in a sea of sympathy in Iraq and demonstrate how limited and blunt the application of raw armed might can be when attempting to impose order. Capturing Baghdad did not turn out to be a game of ‘capture the flag’, did it?
I suppose it depends on how you view yourselves: is the US the so called ’shining city on the hill’, the unique example of a system based on stated principles ably explained by Paine and in the Dec of Independence? Or is the US just another empire which competes viciously in the global arena with no moral compass whatsoever? You can’t have it both ways. I argue that the efforts of the Busheviks and the PNAC manifesto are failing in either model.
With support around the world for the US military adventure dropping, with China being seen more favorably than the US around the world, the Monroe Doctrine in ruins thanks to years of support for South American fascism, the US economy in record deficit (clue for the forgetful: in World War II, the US was the world’s biggest creditor, not debtor), the current US behavior is unsustainable and ruinous for its people.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:55 amBut this administration did get an A- for grabbing their finances. It is obvious what they care about.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:56 amMy Deepest Sympathy and Sorrow for your loss progressive and proud .
December 7th, 2005 at 12:00 pmYou Are Totally Right. Lack of Supervision and Communication is a recipe for Disaster.
Unfortunatly this is exactly what is happening in America. Supervision has become weak. But, I think I know Why, It used to be Religion was a Guide. But that Guidance has been sold to the Devil.Money is thier primary concern, not lives.
IRAQ
Strike Two
This morning, President Bush will make the second of three planned speeches on Iraq prior to the December 15 elections — part of what the Associated Press deems a “public relations campaign” meant to “shore up slumping public support for the war.” His address today will focus on reconstruction and Iraq’s economy. But rather than reassuring Americans that he recognizes the reality of the challenges we face in Iraq, he plans to tout purported economic progress and “to highlight rebuilding of electrical plants, schools, hospitals and businesses.” President Bush is ignoring the big picture. Iraq’s reconstruction — a behemoth effort on par with the post-World War II Marshall Plan — is simply not achieving its goals. Iraq’s economy remains weak and beset by unemployment; basic necessities like potable water and sewage treatment are scarce; and there remains little evidence that the Bush administration is prepared to shift course to reverse these trends.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:06 pmWHITE HOUSE WILL NOT KEEP PROMISES TO IRAQIS: Last month, Stuart Bowen, the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, reported that the “administration promises to use $18 billion Congress allocated to rebuild water, electricity, health and oil networks to prewar levels or better are running into cold reality. ‘We are going to provide something less than that,’ he said.” This position is reflected in last week’s “National Strategy for Victory in Iraq.” In what the Washington Post called “a striking rollback from an earlier, more optimistic position, the [strategy] says Iraq has the ‘potential’ to become prosperous and self-sustaining — without specifying a time frame.” (This contradicts statements by Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz is 2003 that Iraq’s oil revenues “could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years. … We’re dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon.”) These are the harsh facts faced by millions of ordinary Iraqis “who are trying to live a more normal life with the curse of Saddam Hussein taken away, but with a terrible disappointment of the expectations that the removal of Saddam Hussein generated have not been lived up to.”
December 7th, 2005 at 12:07 pmNo, no freedom, I was lucky and did not lose my husband. I know those who have, and I will extend those sympathies to them. And thank you.
Nothing has changed. It shows CLEARLY that they just don’t care about the average citizen.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:08 pmThe right wingers here seem to think that representative democracy is not necessary. They appear to think that undertaking the “best policy” trumps doing the will of the people.
They are quite right that, had Bush come out and told the people of his grand plan to remake the Middle East, he would never have made it to the oval office in the first place. Bush sold us a short-term war based on scare tactics but delivered a long-term plan of future wars and endless rivers of blood.
Lets also not forget how much money these corruptipublicans are making with every squeeze of the trigger. Ask Cheney also how much money he makes from Halliburton every day of this war and you’ll get a glimpse of some bad, bad people prospering in the lap of Death.
The point I’m trying to make here, with perhaps too much excess verbiage, is that in America leaders are not permitted to follow the “best policy” they can cook up on their own. They’re supposed to inform the populace of the facts we need transparently, and then give to our elected representative clear and truthful opinions on what actions should be taken, and then let the poeple have their way through the process of voting. You and I know that the House and Senate dinn’t “see the same intelligence” as the WHIG. If they had, they would have voted no on the war.
People who believe that Oliver North and Ronald Reagan were patriotic heroes for violating the Boland amendment in order to illegally fund the contras don’t understand that there can be no patriotism beyond the Law, and that when our most powerful leaders do these extra-democratic experiments, our country as intended by our forefathers ceases to exist.
Without the consent of the governed, what is America? I ask you, I-Right-I.
And please, don’t waste your keyboard-strength calling me an idiot, asshole, or whatever small-minded insult you’re thinking of throwing right now. I don’t do it to you and you shouldn’t do it to others.
Unless there is a separate code of conduct for conservatives which allows you to fling filthy epithets and use swear words, while proclaiming Christian values and holding yourselves up as our moral betters.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:09 pmEr, thanks for your time everyone, I just wanted to drop by and make a point. I made this one a few years ago, but I think it applies today and also applies to countries too, by the way:
“What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
Well there you go, hope all is well and see you at the Rapture.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:19 pmgun toting liberal- You sound angry…put down the gun…back away from the blog…breathe….
December 7th, 2005 at 12:21 pmMizzWrong,
If bush can do ‘what he wants’, why is Osama still free (unless you believe he never intended to catch him), and why didn’t the occupation only last 6 months as he claimed it would?
Bush can’t ‘do whatever he wants’, he has merely shown the capacity to ’start’ problems, but not to finish them.
The security situation is worsening in Afghanistan, not improving – as is the economy. The last election in Afghanistan was disappointing in turnout, and in the result of several Taliban BEING ELECTED.
And Iraq is not free, it is OCCUPIED AND OPPRESSED by military means. Your sense of what ‘free’ is, certainly seems fascist, but entire inaccurate.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:24 pmmore and more countries are damning the French, Germans and Russians for their part in appeasing and enabling the terrorists they find on their own soil.” You make me laugh what countries afghanistan iraq ha ha ha ur duped by ignorance.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:29 pm#108
Wrong testament, my man. That’s Ecclesiastes you’re referenceing.
Jesus would have READ that as a child in synagogue, not SAID it, unless he was paraphrasing or worse – plagiarizing!
December 7th, 2005 at 12:33 pm#109
Do I sound angrier than others here? I’m actually quite calm and cheerful. Read my post again… is your affect assessment accurate?
Peace to you!
December 7th, 2005 at 12:36 pmRE: #5
You must be joking about Bush Jr. being compared to Jefferson. And the Barbary pirates episode is hardly considered Jefferson’s greatest accomplishment. How about the Bill of Rights – that Bush/Cheney find so “limiting”?
As for radical Islam, don’t you know that Saddam Hussein was a very SECULAR Arab leader — who normally fought AGAINST the Islamic fundamentalists!! — sometimes with a very brutal touch (…hmmm, sounds familiar).
This current war has opened up Iraq for Shiite fundamentalists who will now try to rule — all Thanks to Bush!
December 7th, 2005 at 12:45 pmGunTotingLiberal
You are right.
And I am one of the biggest offenders here.
See, I seem to have no problem calling I-AMTHEPRODUCTOFANINCESTUOUSRELATIONSHIPAINT-I a bad name or two.
I will try to tone it down :|
December 7th, 2005 at 12:49 pmWell, thanks for noticing, GTL. I often wonder whether anyone listens to what I say or have said these days. Anyhow, you’ll find I did say that in Mark Chapter 8:36. Mark was pretty good at catching the drift of what I said, unlike that oddball John – he used to just make stuff up sometimes.
Anyway, for doubting me, you might like to be a bit more generous when you hear that bell ringing outside the supermarket next time you go. Best of luck for the Rapture.
December 7th, 2005 at 12:50 pmHey Jesus,
Glad you could make it. While your here, could you do something with these right winged romanesque demi-gods in here?
I don’t know what exactly, maybe a nice batch of leporasy or something? If your busy I understand, but if you get a chance…..
Thanks Jesus! Oh and hey, loved the book. (The movie was lacking though)
December 7th, 2005 at 12:54 pmAnybody asking using FOIA to obtain the plans for these other wars?
It would be nice to make them public and show how this administration is willing to do and say anything to hide the thruth about their goals for the U.S.
Who is going to get the goods on these guys?
December 7th, 2005 at 12:55 pmWho? I’ll tell you who. He wears a cheap suit and hails from Chicago.
If you said Spiderman, you were close.
His name is Pat Fitzgerald, and he’s “on a mission from God”
December 7th, 2005 at 12:56 pmYes, er Worfeus, remember I was jewish too: “Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.” They thought a lot about this stuff, you know.
How do you say it: here’s my 2c?
“Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:”
As you say this being in many places at once is not as easy as it is er, made out to be. Need to be on my way. Stay off the highways when the Rapture comes that’s my best advice to you.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:01 pm#118 – I think the attempts to get Cheney’s Energy Task Force to tell everyone why they were looking at maps of Iraqi oilfields probably count. The Organ Grinder won that one. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/16/11388/342
December 7th, 2005 at 1:13 pmOk, thanks JC. I will try, but they make it soooooo damned, oops, I mean darned hard :)
December 7th, 2005 at 1:25 pm______________________________________________
They are all gone out of the way,
They are together become unprofitable
And there is none that doeth good, no, not one
Their throat is an open sepulchre
With their tongues they have used deceit
The poison of asps is under their lips
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness
Their feet are swift to shed blood
Destruction and misery are in their ways
And the way of peace have they not known…
_______________________________________________
Romans 3:12
December 7th, 2005 at 1:28 pmI-RIGHT-I
Okay then, you are saying we are gonna take out any state sponsor of terrorists? You mean Saudi Arabia too? Right?
Then explain this:
December 7th, 2005 at 1:34 pmWell Spudge, since Ronnie Raygun and Pappy created OBL, maybe the Reagan Library should be bombed and Kennebunkport too?
December 7th, 2005 at 1:38 pmYeah, we could treat these guys the way we used to in the good old days:
December 7th, 2005 at 1:42 pmMy kids won’t fight for this country in these future wars, too intelligent,
Comment by Lefty
Fortunately since they are so intelligent you don’t know what they may decide to do. My guess though is you are probably raising homosexuals so it won’t matter one way or the other to the army or to me.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:43 pmI saw some link about the history of Saddam, but the Right probably dismissed it.
So why was it that we supported Saddam in the 80’s? I would like the IRI explanation.
Righty’s have never answered this question, I just keep it going because it effectivly shuts down folks like IRI.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:44 pmOkay then, you are saying we are gonna take out any state sponsor of terrorists? You mean Saudi Arabia too? Right?
Then explain this:
Comment by Spudge
I already gave that my best shot above in response to what’s his name. Just so you know…it turns my stomach.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:44 pm#126 – hey is that John Ashcroft back there? Let the eagle soar…
December 7th, 2005 at 1:47 pm#129
Thanks for the honest response. I respect that.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:51 pmIRI,
You sound like the typical older Repub, hanging on to the industrial revolution, winning WWII, and being a “Man’s Man” with all the insecurities, bottled up feelings, prejudices, narrowmindedness, and fears. The US has not had any major steps for mankind, since we landed on the moon, it’s been almost 40 years. Now it’s all a scramble to try to hold on to the “good old days”. You are an old dog unwilling to learn any new tricks. I am glad you are old, Godspeeed my friend.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:51 pmNo IRI, they are not homosexuals,and they will have their crosshairs trained on you and yours! Dance, rightwing poof! They and I, are up to fighting the likes of you, right here on MY soil.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:53 pmFor Truth,
Donald Rumsfeld was sent to the Middle East as a special envoy for President Reagan in December 1983 and March 1984. At the time, he was a private citizen, but had been a high-ranking official with several Republican administrations. He had a number of items on his agenda, including conflict in Lebanon. However, one of his main objectives was to establish direct contact between President Reagan and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein — he carried a letter from Reagan to Saddam to further this process.
His trip, and other overtures by the U.S., were necessary because the Reagan administration had decided to assist Iraq in its war against Iran in order to prevent an Iranian victory, which the administration saw as contrary to U.S. interests. But until the early 1980s, U.S.-Iraqi relations had been frosty — Iraq broke off formal diplomatic relations in 1967. So in order to enable the U.S. to set up the mechanisms needed to provide Iraq with various forms of assistance, contacts had to be established, Iraq had to be removed from the State Department’s list of countries supporting terrorism, and diplomatic relations needed to be re-established (which occurred in November 1984.)
I doesn’t shut me down.
December 7th, 2005 at 1:57 pmSo Ben, if Saddam is a state sponsor of terrorism and the US gave him arms and money despite that (and took him off the terrorism list even as he gassed the crap out of the Iranians and the Kurds), then that makes the US what, exactly?
December 7th, 2005 at 2:00 pmSo why was it that we supported Saddam in the 80’s? I would like the IRI explanation.
Righty’s have never answered this question, I just keep it going because it effectivly shuts down folks like IRI.
Comment by For Truth
Y’all keep asking the same questions over and over again…like spoiled little brats that think if they keep at it they’ll finally get the answer they want. I’ve answered this no less than 10 times. This isn’t rocket science people, this isn’t a mystery. This is on the books and hundreds of articles and books have been written about it. You people do know how to read don’t you?
You know why we supported Saddam. Because Saddam was at war with Iran and we were fresh from Jimmy Carter’s embarrassing debacle where he allowed our people to remain hostage in that shithole for months. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. By the way, Jimmah Peanut Carter was the president who first authorized guns and money to the Afghans fighting the Russians. So…it was he who gave Ossama and the Taliban a leg up. Chew on that awhile.
December 7th, 2005 at 2:01 pmThe US has not had any major steps for mankind, since we landed on the moon, it’s been almost 40 years.
For Truth, have you ever heard of computers or pharmacutical companies or foreign aid?
It’s statements like that one that make people on the right think that you guys on the left do not have a clue.
December 7th, 2005 at 2:01 pm#108
Wrong testament, my man. That’s Ecclesiastes you’re referenceing.
Jesus would have READ that as a child in synagogue, not SAID it, unless he was paraphrasing or worse – plagiarizing!
Comment by gun toting liberal
It’s not possible to plagiarize yourself is it?
December 7th, 2005 at 2:05 pmIt’s statements like that one that make people on the right think that you guys on the left do not have a clue.
Comment by Ben
We don’t just think it we know it.
December 7th, 2005 at 2:06 pmIRI #89, your premise that we are in Iraq to stop the spread of Islamofascism, make the thugs accountable and democratize the region are false. Therefore, your conclusions are incorrect, too. You show me where any of the three things you mentioned in #21 were at the top of Bush’s list when we went into Iraq. Like most Bush defenders, you just keep changing your premises so that your conclusions fit.
December 7th, 2005 at 2:13 pmyou are probably raising homosexuals so it won’t matter one way or the other to the army or to me.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I —
Ahh, Goebels speaks…..
Rid the world of all the inferiors, ay I-AMJUSTABIGOTAINT-I?
December 7th, 2005 at 2:16 pm“At the time, he was a private citizen, but had been a high-ranking official with several Republican administrations.”
He was not a private citizen. He was working for the White House on official business. You make it sound like Rumsfeld was on vacation when he ran across Saddam.
December 7th, 2005 at 2:24 pmYes, that’s right, the US lurches from one policy disaster to another:
(1) US/UK destroys Iranian democracy in 1953 – installs Shah, 26 years of Iranian police state, murder, torture – all condoned by US
December 7th, 2005 at 2:25 pm(2) 1979 – Iranians revolt against Shah, install Ayatollahs (since they were the only effective opposition, since the US hung Iranian reformers out to dry). Funny but the Iranians are madder than hell at the people who gave them the Shah – the US. The Iranians decide they don’t like the US and start opposing them and anyone who behaves like them (e.g. Israel)
(3) Saddam attacks Iran, because he is scared that the Islamic revolution will get him too. US arms him, sends him stuff for chemical weapons, generally turns a blind eye to Saddam’s atrocities inside and outside Iraq
(4) Iranians get more pissed off and step up activites against Israel etc.
(5) Iran-Iraq war ends, Saddam gets pissed off at Kuwaitis who are using nifty American sideways drilling techniques to steal Iraqi oil. US tells Saddam that they have no dog in the Kuwaiti-Iraqi border dispute. Saddam invades Kuwait and goes from US favored friend to Adolf Hitler overnight.
(6) Desert Storm ends, leaves Saddam in place. He does not do what he is supposed to do and die in a coup. Iranians get more pissed off because Americans sell marsh Arabs down the river to Saddam. Many Shiites and Kurds die in Saddam’s revenge.
(7) Meanwhile in Afghanistan, the Russians have packed up and gone home, leaving drug lords and radical, CIA-backed turban-heads to fight it out. Turban-heads win.
(8) Turban-heads, led by one Osama Bin Laden, at a loss for something to do, decide that 1. Israeli genocide against Palestinians, 2. US soldiers in Saudi and 3. general US behavior supporting Saudis, Egyptians and other muslim police states could occupy their time and energy for a while. Launch jihad against US.
(9) 9-11 – US fails to enter debate about why 9-11 happens, invades Afghanistan. Fails to capture OBL, puts drug lords back in change. Cheap heroin floods the world.
(10) US invades Iraq, supposedly to get at WMD, but actually shows Iran what happens to countries who don’t have WMD. Iran gets serious on its Bomb program, so does North Korea (and Brazil, and ?)
(11) US, by failing to turn Iraq into a Jeffersonian utopia demonstrates: 1. that US military can be stretched and beaten by low-level insurgency 2. that like North Korea, if you’ve got nukes you don’t get invaded 3. US has no idea what pisses off the muslim world in the first place 4. how to breed really pissed off muslims all over the world (Indonesia, UK, Spain, France, Pakistan, India, China, Russia).
That’s correct, I-RIGHT-I. We raise gay children. I’m gay, too. If you stick around you might turn gay, too. So, what does the Right I look like these days? You cute? Single?
December 7th, 2005 at 2:34 pmI-RIGHT-I. Hmmm. Don’tcha mean “One-eyed-snake-RIGHT-eye”??
December 7th, 2005 at 2:37 pmSwingin’ that meat stick around like macho, neocon stud that you are!
If we had only listened to Jimmy Carter, Bush would’ve been nothing but what he is: A Loser. (But at least we wouldn’t have this loser “running” our country.)
December 7th, 2005 at 2:50 pmhttp://www.commondreams.org/views05/0503-22.htm
#124
Hey Hey! Now you’re messin’ with the Man-Date. Back Off!!
December 7th, 2005 at 2:52 pmThe invasion of Iraq was done for only one reason and that was the security of this nation. However it had nothing to do with terrorism or WMD. Those were just selling points for the gullible American public…Saddam had contracts in place with China and Russia to sell them oil (after sanctions were lifted) in exchange for advanced technology (with which he probably would have THEN began reconstituting his WMD program). With world oil supplies expected to be less than demand within 30-35 years our oil hungry nation would have had to develop new technologies and manufacturing processes to eliminate or reduce our dependence on oil. Since these new technologies and processes were likely to be developed by people other than BIG OIL, Dubya and his oil industry pals would have been in a bad position and the legacy of the American oil industry would have been left to the history books along with the dinosaurs who also didn’t have the wherewithal or ability to adapt to their changing environment. In order to secure the future for his BIG OIL pals and the American economy, Bush had to remove Saddam and thereby “take control” of the oil fields. Once in Iraq it becomes easier to exert a wider and wider American influence (coercion) to the greater middle east region. For those who don’t believe this post…wait and see what beans get spilled after Dubya leaves office and the rats start trying to disassociate themselves with his failed policies. Then and only then will a lot of the truth be known.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:00 pmOn the gay subject (not that there’s anything wrong with that), doesn’t it seem like have the Bible-thumpers in the Bush administration are all gay? Last I heard Rove frequents gay S&M clubs (not that there’s anything wrong with that).
Steal the Poofter P!
The Missing P Project
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December 7th, 2005 at 3:09 pmI have to say I’m glad the rightwing has finally come out of the closet on their Iraq War LIES.
“There is no more Iraq. There will be three territories.” — Henry Kissinger, early 2004
The policy is genocide‘Treason,’ to racist wingers, means opposing Genocide.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:15 pm“The enemy of my enemy is my friend†MizzWrong
Great justification for supporting terrorists and terrorism. So if the terrorists attacked france, would you like Osama? Of course you would.
That’s why republicans are so dangerous, they don’t have morals or values, but merely expeditious hatred and ignorance.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:27 pmSorry, left one out: “(Iraq), Syria, Lebanon…”
This has been known, from the start, and I-Right-I is correct that a lot of Dems and other liberals have been fooled by their own incredulity at the insanity of these actions. But that difficulty of comprehension is not the same as being lost in utopianism.
It is the natural, and temporary, failure of comprehension of TREASON. It isn’t Howard Dean who needs to hang. I’m glad I-Right-I is dropping his pants because his homophobia makes him need to ring his brass balls and bellow.
Makes my job easier. Thanks, I-Right-I.
Bush Must Resign.
December 7th, 2005 at 3:53 pmYou know, we joke, but it really is a revelation when this guy, (or Girl) calling themselves I-right-I says something like that about a group of people, in this case, Homosexuals.
It is a clear and plain example of PREJUDICE in America today.
It is uncanny that these lunatics who call themselves the “right” hate entire groups of people simply for their sexual preferneces.
I don’t really like seeing two men holding hands, but it doesn’t “offend” me either (now two women, well, thats another story:). I’m free to look away if I don’t like it.
But people like this, these republican right, really are the sick, twisted people we think they are.
These are the sheet wears, the klansboys, the ones who beat gay teens to death because they don’t like them.
I-Right-I is nothing more than a 2 bit punk.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:01 pmAnd his credibility is now SHOT!
December 7th, 2005 at 4:03 pmThis is a long but crucially important comments thread.
IMHO, the most important comments are:
5, 15, 21, 23, 148
because they are OUTINGS of rightwing policy by rightwingers who are spilling the beans because King Kong is having trouble beating off the biplanes.
December 7 — a Day that will Live in Infamy.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:10 pmBen,
“For Truth, have you ever heard of computers or pharmacutical companies or foreign aid?”
Computers were invented in the 50’s.
Pharmaceuticals have been invented well before that.
Foreign aid was happening after WWII.
You are talking about upgrades and improvements on existing feats.
Pharmaceutical companies have not come up with a truly new and revolutionary drug in the last 10-15 years, all the new drugs are newer versions of drugs they already have.
I can’t think of anything truly revolutionary since the moon landing. Something completely new and helpful for all mankind, not improvements on existing stuff.
Again, what great feats, inventions, etc. have happened which help mankind, since the moon landing?
You seem to be living in the greatness of the industrial revolution, and winning of WWII. The only thing constant is change.
You don’t know how to spell pharmaceuticals, and you don’t know when computers were invented. Maybe you’re the one that needs to get a clue.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:40 pmThank you Ben for telling me why the US supported Saddam in the 80’s. It verifies that it was a mistake, that has now come back to bite us. Supporting dictators that happen to be convienient for us during a particular slice in time appears to be a bad idea. Was Iran really any sort of direct problem to us during the Reagan admin, or was it about special interests?
December 7th, 2005 at 4:50 pmWas Iran really any sort of direct problem to us during the Reagan admin, or was it about special interests?
Comment by For Truth
It’s whatever you want it to be. Like everything else for you Liberal losers, truth is relative.
December 7th, 2005 at 4:56 pm“No matter what the evidence, liberals insist that only their tender ministrations are capable of calming murderous dictators. Negotiation and engagement are said to “work” because, after Democrats spend years dillydallying with lunatic despots who threaten America, eventually a Republican president comes in and threatens aggressive military action. In a fascinating fifty-year pattern — completely indiscernible to liberals — murderous despots succumb to “engagement” shortly after a Republican president threatens to bomb them. This allows liberals to hail years of impotent negotiation and engagement as a foreign policy ‘win’.” — Ann Coulter, P. 143 TREASON
December 7th, 2005 at 5:01 pmMurderous despots currently supported by Republicans:
1. Myanmar (through Unocal)
2. Uzbekistan (boil them all)
3. Pakistan
4. Egypt
5. Israel (over the occupied territories, of course)
6. Saudi Arabia
Murderous Despots installed/supported by Republicans over the years:
1. Shah of Iran
2. Pinochet
3. Samoza
4. Apartheid South Africa
5. Suharto
6. Saddam Hussein
7. Idi Amin, Uganda
8. Abacha, Nigeria
9. Cerezo, Guatemala
10. Adolf Hitler
11. Franco
12. Pol Pot
http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeacecollection/dictators.htm
Have a nice day Adolf.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:22 pmTT, I went to that link but I could not see where they were saying everyone was a republican.
December 7th, 2005 at 5:35 pmAh, Ben you might be right on some of those, my apologies:
1. Eisenhower
2. Nixon
3. Nixon (and FDR!)
4. Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Cheney
5. LBJ put him in, Nixon et al backed him
6. Reagan, Bush
7. Nixon (and the British)
8. Clinton (big Oil lobby)
9. Reagan
10. Prescott Bush
11. Eisenhower (McCarthy purge)
12. Reagan
My point was that the US in general supports pretty nasty people and that in doing so causes major blowback over time which directly undermines the US position in the world. Biggest example would probably be Iran. Try ‘All the Shah’s Men’ for a history of the CIA coup of 1953. Although with Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan, the Republicans seem to enjoy the lions share of the fascists.
December 7th, 2005 at 6:11 pmSo we are like a school yard bully?
We beat up the little guys, but the guys our size, well, we can learn to discuss and comprimise with them.
You know, instead of always trying to look tough, and talk tough, and act tough, why don’t you guys try actually being tough?
December 7th, 2005 at 6:17 pmI think you’re all a bunch of sissies. Sittin’ here squawkin’ on the web. I’ll meet any one of you anywhere, at any time and teach you what’s what. Especially you, I-Right-I, you little nazi faggot. I’ll kick your dick so hard you’ll spend the rest of your life jerkin’ off into your hat.
Drop your purses girls, it’s go time!
December 7th, 2005 at 7:50 pmSo Anne Coulter is saying that Republicans have monsterously large testicles? I’ve always suspected that about her.
Worst Resident Ever
The Missing P Project
http://www.geocities.com/themissingPproject
December 7th, 2005 at 8:22 pmCan Bush touch anything without breaking it? Look wtf he did to our military, look wft he did with the economy, look wtf he did with the US reputation around the world. I just received an email from someone in the UK and was informed that the folks in the UK and throughout Europe think we are bullies and something to fear. That’s not a good reputation to have. Thank you asshole chimpie. Bush is a loser and he will always be a loser.
December 7th, 2005 at 8:37 pmArmageddon – the Evangelicals are waiting for the red heffer. As predicted, the war will be in the middle east. The Christians will rule and support Isreal and then, will destroy Isreal and a great mushroom cloud will appear above the middle east. That is when the “Rapture” will happen. They will all fly off in a jumbo jet and live happily ever after above the mushroom cloud. And the rest of us will die. And our spirits will become part of the strings in the “string theory – the theory of everything”. Actually, I like the string theory. I think my color is aqua and vibrates to Regge music :) But none of this can happen until the birth of the red heffer.
December 7th, 2005 at 8:46 pmI guess you’re just being ironic when you say, “startling rationale.”
December 7th, 2005 at 9:00 pmOh, I forgot, 154. I-Right-I’s credibility? Shot? My goodness.
December 7th, 2005 at 9:10 pmThis guy is simply advocating for the Neocon agenda. Here is one of their source documents. There are many other documents that will paint a pretty clear picture for those who wish to know.
December 7th, 2005 at 10:07 pmYou all (thats Texan) for Youse guys, have a problem. The trols have you over a barrel. They are better funded, stick to the talking points, are meaner than you, and just know they are going to Heaven and you aren’t. That is why they all have that smerk on their face. To deal with them you ignore them and just once every 20 post state they are big fat liars. However, that would take the fun out of it. Hats off to 1right1 and wwallace. No matter how much distorted bull–it you blog out they bite. I am sure boyh of you are really great He/She/its.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:11 pmPersonally I think they’re being paid to be in here, looking for quotes for the O’Rielly Factor.
But I assure you, they are not as mean as me.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:17 pmWorfeus–remember==Vengence is mine –sayth the Lord.
December 7th, 2005 at 11:35 pmWait a minute…
If we are taking the battle to the terrorists, then we should be attacking the country where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from, right? War on terror should include terrorist sponsors Saudi Arabia, right?
Am I missing something here?
December 8th, 2005 at 1:12 am[...] http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/07/war-to-start-all-wars/ The invasion of Iraq was not only about weapons of mass destruction…It was also about establishing a U.S. war-fighting beachhead in the heart of the Middle East, the principal breeding ground of terrorists. The invasion took out one terrorism sponsor, Saddam Hussein, and gave the U.S. a presence for intimidating two others, Iran and Syria. [...]
December 8th, 2005 at 2:05 amAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!A!!AAAAA
HahahahahAAAAAAA!!!!
AP Top News
Hecklers Cause Coulter to Cut UConn Speech
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By SHELLEY K. WONG
Associated Press Writer
December 7, 2005, 11:14 PM EST
STORRS, Conn. — Conservative columnist Ann Coulter gave up trying to finish a speech at the University of Connecticut on Wednesday night when boos and jeers from the audience became overwhelming.
Coulter cut off the talk after 15 minutes and instead held a half-hour question-and-answer session.
“I love to engage in repartee with people who are stupider than I am,” Coulter told the 2,600 people at Jorgensen Auditorium.
Coulter’s appearance prompted protests from several groups, including Students Against Hate and the Puerto Rican/Latin American Cultural Center. They criticized her for spreading a message of hate and intolerance.
Nearly 100 students gathered inside the Student Union for a rally against Coulter. About a half-dozen people held protest signs outside the auditorium.
After a book signing following her appearance, Coulter called the audience’s reaction “typical.”
Coulter, originally from New Canaan, Conn., has a history of bashing Democrats in best-selling books, frequent television appearances and speeches. Harding University in Arkansas dropped her from its lecture series in September, citing her abrasive image.
Last April, the president of the University of St. Thomas in Minnesota denounced a speech on the campus by Coulter, calling it hateful. In October 2004, University of Arizona police arrested two men who ran on stage and threw custard pies at Coulter; one of the pies glanced off her shoulder.
December 8th, 2005 at 2:45 amI have no Idea why you talk to I WRONG WRONG I, time and time again the Spew is inaccurate, unsupported. IRI is corrupt, just listen to the Self Loving Greed, material, money, power, all the things the Neo-Kooks will soon be out of, Rices TRIPS to China and RUSSIA were Failures as Bush’s and Cheneys umm Fund Raising? LOL event, Now COULTER gets booed off Stage, and george gets his tally whacked by the CFR, the BIG fish in the Pond, why Because HE didnt MAKE no Money on his WAR.
Without MONEY BUSH will not have Long.
Document
1. The complete Audit in pdf of the Office of The Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction. April 20, 2005.
Press Reports
U.S. Took Eyes Off Mercenaries, $96M in Iraq, New Audits Find
9 May 2005
by Chris Shumway and Brian Dominick
New Standard
The government office charged with investigating misconduct in the reconstruction of Iraq just revealed dozens of new allegations that Western contractors and their overseers mismanaged Iraqi reconstruction funds.
United States authorities failed to ensure that a British mercenary company was in full compliance with the terms of its security contract in Iraq, according to an audit by the office set up to investigate mismanagement of reconstruction funds. Aegis Defense Services, which received the largest contract of all the private armies operating in Iraq despite a highly questionable background, failed to comply with regulations established to ensure a basic order within mercenary oufits.
Heres the DATA, IRI, something YOU always seem to FORGET to post, NOW do you WISH to TRY me some more?
Your REN has been Taken TWICE Now. TWICE the TROLLS have fell over HERE, on this BLOG, Only to Began Denial Once Again.
Now Beware What you ASK or SAY to me, I MAY be tricking you, I WOULD hate to SEE you BREAK down again, and Leave your Office in Depressed states. -Aj
**Additional audits prepared by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) and delivered to Congress last week additionally show that American officials poorly maintained dozens of relatively small reconstruction contracts collectively worth more than $184 million. They also reveal that American managers of the Development Fund for Iraq (DFI), an account consisting primarily of Iraqi oil revenues, failed to keep track of at least $96.6 million in funds earmarked for reconstruction and relief projects in south-central Iraq.
December 8th, 2005 at 3:03 am#176 Aj- Yep, free speech at most universities is a joke. As long as you hug terrorists and kiss despots, you get along fine….Left = Fascism
December 8th, 2005 at 4:54 amSo “the invasion took out one terrorism sponsor,Saddam Hussein”.Didn’t the 9-11 commission say Hussein had no connection to terrorism? I believe the commission over anything this administration says about anything.If this administration says it’s raining out,I’d look outside first before grabbing a raincoat.
December 8th, 2005 at 8:30 amTT, I went to that link but I could not see where they were saying everyone was a republican.
Comment by Ben
Don’t confuse him with little details when he’s on a roll. Even if there are Donks on the list he’ll have an excuse for them. Terry is one of those English speaking foreigners (why oh why did we educated them?) whose country we’ve saved or now protect who thanks to the USA doesn’t have to look at the big picture.
It’s all peace\love/dove for these guys. By the way, today is the anniversary of the death of an idiot. The voice of the lost, John Lennon shot dead and now toasting nicely in his father’s house. You know, that place he imagined did not exist. Breaking News: Yoko still posing nude at age 65.
December 8th, 2005 at 9:09 amNow Beware What you ASK or SAY to me, I MAY be tricking you, I WOULD hate to SEE you BREAK down again, and Leave your Office in Depressed states. -Aj
I have no idea what you’re talking about. I guess it’s too hard to provide a quote, you know a little DATA.
There isn’t one of you losers I can’t beat into submission with a few key strokes.
December 8th, 2005 at 9:29 amwell when do they go to pakistan?
December 8th, 2005 at 10:34 amwell when do they go to pakistan?
Comment by habib rehman
Do you mean the ICBMs we are selling to India?
December 8th, 2005 at 12:02 pmI-AMATRAITORTOMYCOUNTRYANDALLTHATISGOODINMANAINT-I said
### It’s all peace\love/dove for these guys. ###
And
### By the way, today is the anniversary of the death of an idiot. The voice of the lost, John Lennon shot dead and now toasting nicely in his father’s house ###
Well it all ain’t peace\love/dove for me boy.
I have no problem putting peices of crap like you behind bars where you belong.
In fact, if you actually acted on any of these traitorous acts you spew in here, I would be happy to personally cinch the rope up around your scrawny neck, and watch you crap your pants while dangling from the gallows, as your feet kick the last throws of life from your vile, foul body, you stinking, murderous vile foul peice of human excrement.
I would have no problem at all with that. :|
December 8th, 2005 at 12:22 pmIn fact, if you actually acted on any of these traitorous acts you spew in here, I would be happy to personally cinch the rope up around your scrawny neck,
Comment by WORFEUS
Name one, loser.
December 8th, 2005 at 12:30 pm“more and more countries are damning the French, Germans and Russians for their part in appeasing and enabling the terrorists they find on their own soil.†You make me laugh what countries afghanistan iraq ha ha ha ur duped by ignorance.
Comment by That Guy — December 7, 2005 @ 12:29 pm ”
LOL you dipstick — europe has been sealing with terrorism for years. the IRA is just the tip of the iceberg. and dont compare us to france. they have been there done that and compared to us they dont screw around with extremists — they either end up deported or DEAD….get a reality check moron…terrorism didnt start on 9/11
p.s., attacks on armed military personel is not terrorism. do you think the ruthless israeli attack on the USS liberty was terrorism?..go get your definitions straight before the word “terrorism” has no meaning at all.
We are not going intot syria, iran or anywhere else…We can hardly survive, politically and economically, the iraq debacle. We need to focus on Al Qaeda, not their archenemies like Saddan. Talk about aiding those who hate you!…DUH!!
December 8th, 2005 at 12:38 pmIt is as it was written. The PNAC masterplan is alive and well.
No ’smoking gun’ in Iran:
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1846819,00.html
Read the talking points for the war with Iran:
December 8th, 2005 at 12:51 pmhttp://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=8204
Dare I suggest that the office of special plans is still active?
They are gonna need some new 911’s!
probably nookular
December 8th, 2005 at 12:54 pmBtw
December 8th, 2005 at 1:09 pmThe invasion of Iraq was not only about weapons of mass destruction
LMFAO!
Lots of luck with all your wars Melloan, but the way things look now you wont have the sublime joy of killing human beings using Americans because right now that country is not in the mood. They have neither the money, nen- nor, and more importantly, the morale, to engage in any more needless carnage. Perhaps Germany or Russia may help you fulfill your desires?
December 8th, 2005 at 1:11 pmFeel that noose tightening around your scrawny neck do you I-AMJUSTALILPUSSSOPLEEEESEDONTHURTME-I ?
Better wear some diapers :|
December 8th, 2005 at 1:33 pmFeel that noose tightening around your scrawny neck do you I-AMJUSTALILPUSSSOPLEEEESEDONTHURTME-I ?
Better wear some diapers :|
Comment by WORFEUS
Quite an argument. I guess this is the best you can do. I’m not surprised, you’re a loser. ;-)
December 8th, 2005 at 1:59 pmThe thing that scares me about this talk of decades long war is the fact that such a war will only lead to the destruction of our species.
For an example of extinction due to war, read up on what happened to the people who used to live on Easter Island. They cut down all of their trees to build their warships and once those trees were gone and the warships destroyed, they were left to starve on the barren rock that they turned the island into because their warships were all sunken and there weren’t any trees left to build ships to leave the island.
This appears to be where we are headed.
God help us all.
December 8th, 2005 at 2:22 pmIn the words of your self professed temporal deity, “heh heh”
December 8th, 2005 at 2:22 pmIn the words of your self professed temporal deity, “heh hehâ€
Comment by WORFEUS
What’s Santa bringing you this year Worf? I’m going to rat you out and see if I can’t arrange a little coal for your stocking.
December 8th, 2005 at 3:01 pmHow nice it will be to see Asians wipe America off the face of the earth after putting up with the group shit head think that is America today. The god of mars the monument that is dedicated to the god of war that sits atop your capital building may that dark statue fall and crush America under it’s own weight. But it will still be nice to see America get what you have been doing to other countries for the last 60 years. Die slow.
December 8th, 2005 at 4:44 pm#
Now Beware What you ASK or SAY to me, I MAY be tricking you, I WOULD hate to SEE you BREAK down again, and Leave your Office in Depressed states. -Aj
I have no idea what you’re talking about. I guess it’s too hard to provide a quote, you know a little DATA.
There isn’t one of you losers I can’t beat into submission with a few key strokes.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 8, 2005 @ 9:29 am
~~~~~~~~
December 8th, 2005 at 5:38 pmNow thats FUNNY, you, and the Words Beating and Submission, exactly what your about!
Guilty dog Barking?
I think so, and Do please
DO YOUR KEYS, LOL
and OF COURSE you dont KNOW what IM talking ABOUT because YOU still THINK your ONE OF Them, When in FACT, Welcome to the ‘HERD’ O’ Proud arrogant Fool! LMAO -Aj
Now thats FUNNY, you, and the Words Beating and Submission, exactly what your about!
Guilty dog Barking?
I think so, and Do please
DO YOUR KEYS, LOL
and OF COURSE you dont KNOW what IM talking ABOUT because YOU still THINK your ONE OF Them, When in FACT, Welcome to the ‘HERD’ O’ Proud arrogant Fool! LMAO -Aj
Comment by –A
Just tell your dealer I’ll have what you’re having. Thanks.
December 8th, 2005 at 5:47 pmDon’t confuse him with little details when he’s on a roll. Even if there are Donks on the list he’ll have an excuse for them. Terry is one of those English speaking foreigners (why oh why did we educated them?) whose country we’ve saved or now protect who thanks to the USA doesn’t have to look at the big picture.
It’s all peace\love/dove for these guys. By the way, today is the anniversary of the death of an idiot. The voice of the lost, John Lennon shot dead and now toasting nicely in his father’s house. You know, that place he imagined did not exist. Breaking News: Yoko still posing nude at age 65.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 8, 2005 @ 9:09 am
WHY of WHY did you EDUCATED them?
December 8th, 2005 at 5:48 pmOnce Again I am impressed by your verbage, Manne, tell me this, Are things as we jnow them complete? These words you hurl, Do you see letters or symbols? you speak of education yet show little? You SAY YOU did this and YOU did that, and People like YOU, I suppose your part of Bill Oriellys FAUX network and YOU are Gonna Make a List, IF YOU are so POWERFUL, WHY havent YOU done anything? Why do YOU still DENY whats all around you?
Tell me what Education is IRI and HOW you went BACK in time and EDUCATED the ENGLISH? Next I suppose you will have invented Flight? Or Space SHips? Me thinks YOU need the TIN FOIL hat, O’Heartless one YOU ARE LOST in OZ. -Aj
Educate Me IRI…
Teach me Racism,
Teach me Ugliness
Teach me…Show Me your dim Light.
Show me Poseidon!
Show me the Position, the Poseidon, of gaia, or Ge, mother Earth, tell me these things IRI, right and wrong, the third eye,
Show me the Phos, the Hades, The Sieien, the SIN, the Syn,
Tell me what these Mean O WISE IRI
The Lune, the Kune, the Rune, Selenium, Eon, and Neo, Creation to cretin to the Cross and back, tell Me O IRI, we await your words..your knowledge we seek, find, thought, think, you are week.
The Air, is AER, the ATHER, THE FLUX, the Shaking poseidon whom cuts the Light, Tell me the secrets of The Lines of ley, and Lubber and Naught! Tell me of Time and Matter and A-toms and Not, or Mirrors and lights, the things that go Bump.
Show me the Universe what it is and NOT,
December 8th, 2005 at 6:01 pmTell me these things, that only you KNOW,
Tell me IRI, why the Salt in the Ocean
and the Tears in your eyes?
What is Santy bringing me for Christmas I-AINTGETTINNUTTINFERCHRISTMASAM-I ?
Hopefully season tickets to Nuremburg 2.
At least, thats what I asked for. :|
December 8th, 2005 at 6:07 pmDoes anyone consider the big picture.. that these wars WILL continue for decades, the US AND OTHER COUNTRIES WITHOUT A DOUBT becoming becoming Police States, and the state of the entire planet is going to be severely worse than ever before.
Wake up and think bigger.
It’s a global world operating and the forces are global as well in causing it’s demise.
PEACE.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:04 amDoes anyone consider the big picture.. that these wars WILL continue for decades, the US AND OTHER COUNTRIES WITHOUT A DOUBT becoming becoming Police States, and the state of the entire planet is going to be severely worse than ever before.
Comment by Kleez
There is a sin of commisssion and a sin of omission. By far the greatest sin is the sin of ommission. What we should have done is always worse than what we did.
The big picture? I have a different view and from my perspective you are wrong. I see that doing nothing about the Muslim fanatics and the oil rich theocracies that fund them will mean the deaths of tens of millions in the short term. All you see is how terrible war is. War is a necessary evil in a world where there sometimes is no other way. There is no other way to deal with Islam that to beat it militarily. It’s fight or die. That’s the big picture.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:35 amEducate Me IRI…
Teach me Racism,
Teach me Ugliness
Teach me…Show Me your dim Light.
Comment by –Aj
You’ve already learned all that and more. You’ve learned to hate the good and love the evil. Congratulations, some day you’ll get to meet John Lennon.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:41 amHey, Aj….
I found your secret…
http://www.compfused.com/directlink/764/
December 9th, 2005 at 10:57 amYea, and some day you’ll get to meet your hero I-AMATRAITORTOTHEUSANDALLTHATISGOODANDDESERVETOBEHUNGBYMYBALLSIFIHADSOME-I
Of course, considering your hero is Adolph Hitler, I would not count on him reciprecating your affection.
But hey, I heard Hitler had one nut, maybe you two can share it, lacking them yourself and all.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:00 amCastro the ‘Lennonist’
The Cuban President, Fidel Castro, has paid homage to John Lennon at the unveiling of a statue of the late pop singer in Havana.
The ceremony in the Cuban capital’s El Vedado Park coincided with the 20th anniversary of John Lennon’s murder in New York.
President Castro praised Lennon as a revolutionary, whose thinking and ideas made him great.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1062993.stm
They deserve each other.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:54 pmHave you ever oticed how “enlightened” Lefties generally look like they need a bath??
December 10th, 2005 at 3:47 pmYOU WHITE FLAG WAVING COWARDS!
December 10th, 2005 at 5:20 pmTheir is a strange parallel between real life and modern movies.
December 10th, 2005 at 6:14 pmThe 1972’s The God Father, gives a pompous display showing public figures and organized crime can and do form a possible function together synchronously but without any casual interaction. Come to think of it I can’t remember the last time there was a high profile syndicate or mafia bust of one kind or another in broad headlines. Are they so deep underground to be virtually untraceable or have most elevated just beyond scope once restricted to heads of government that no courts would dare touch.
Why don’t all you wingnut fry cases go over to Coulter or Malkin where you belong?
December 12th, 2005 at 1:13 amWhy don’t all you wingnut fry cases go over to Coulter or Malkin where you belong?
Comment by purvis am
I don’t care to preach to the choir.
Mar 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
December 12th, 2005 at 9:00 amBREAKING NEWS:
ABC/ TIME MAG NEW POLL
7 in 10 Iraqis say their own lives are going well, and nearly two-thirds expect things to improve in the year ahead.
You lost little liberal cowards are on the wrong side of history!
December 12th, 2005 at 2:27 pmI think Mr. George Melloan’s viewpoint is very interesting. I also think it shares some viewpoints held by another radical group. Back in the early to mid 1900’s this group had a similar tolerancy level of other people who opposed their ideals(ZERO TOLERANCY). They were called NAZIS!THIS IS NOT A WAR OF AMERICA VS. IRAQ( OR TERRORISTS FOR THAT MATTER). IT IS A WAR OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VS. THE PROPOGANDA OF FEAR THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS SPREADING.
December 17th, 2005 at 10:29 pmThis is not a war of America vs. Iraq or terrorists. It’s a war of the American people vs. the propoganda of fear that the U.S. government is spreading.
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wedding rings
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Do I spell it right? Free Texas Hold Um…
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