Laura Bush’s War on Christmas
By on Dec 9th, 2005 at 12:25 pm
Laura Bush’s War on Christmas
First Lady Laura Bush is a committed soldier in the war on Christmas. In this clip from a video recently published on the White House website she packs in three references to “the holidays” in 15 seconds:
If Ms. Bush watched more Bill O’Reilly she’d know how offensive her remarks were to Christians:
GUEST: “Season’s Greetings†and “Happy Holidays,†Bill, does not offend Christians.
O’REILLY: Yes, it does. It absolutely does. And I know that for a fact.
Transcript:
Barney and Beasley, I’m really happy to see you’ve gotten into the holiday spirit. These are very thoughtful gifts for each other. I’m glad that you’re thankful for the holidays. President Bush and I wish everyone a very happy holiday.
Can we leave Laura Bush out of it please … it was O’Reilly that has purported the “war” anyway … not the Bush family.
December 9th, 2005 at 12:32 pmIf you “knew” MRS. Bush, you’d know how offensive your moniker “Ms.” was to her. Now if you were discussing Ms. Clinton, Ms. Reno, Ms. Shalala, Ms. Steinem, etc. that might be different.
December 9th, 2005 at 12:34 pmIt’ really not a war on Christamas, it’s just fear of pissing of anyone who might take something away from political or financial interests. It’s bad business to upset any potential customers, or potential voters.
December 9th, 2005 at 12:34 pmyeah, going after the First Lady like this is wrong. It’s a stupid point. So what if the right-wing is saying there’s a war on christmas — why play their game and bring it down to their level?
December 9th, 2005 at 12:36 pm[Comment deleted by Admin]
December 9th, 2005 at 12:40 pmC’mon Ryan … to early to go there, isn’t it?
December 9th, 2005 at 12:41 pm[Comment deleted by Admin]
December 9th, 2005 at 12:44 pmShrub lied about his war on terror………. Now he is lying about his war on Christmas…… I expect Christmas will be invaded on Christmas day this year…….. Shrub is already taking much need troops from Iraq and massing troops at the border of the North Pole. Santa has been co-operating with inspectors, even allowing inspection of Santa Secret Workshop. So far only little wooden toys have been discovered. I say give the inspectors more time, there is no need to rush in.
December 9th, 2005 at 12:48 pmApparently Pickles doesn’t get the talking points? She’s too busy decorating the Barney-shaped Christmas cookies for all the parties they’re hosting. (Saw it on HGTV, cute cookies)
December 9th, 2005 at 12:49 pm“sarcasm-impaired ASSOCIATION”, why do you hate the subject of the comments section so much?
Why can you not address the subject?
The subject of the comment section loves you, yet you choose to hate the subject!
December 9th, 2005 at 12:52 pmOkay, I can’t stand it anymore!
Is Laura Bush crosseyed, or am I nuts?
Everytime I see her I think of a mongaloid child. No offense to mongaloid children, comparing them to Laura Bush.
December 9th, 2005 at 12:52 pmAgreed, please lay-off the “War on Christmas”. O’Reilly is a moron. We all know it. There are plenty of other “non-Christian” activities this admin partakes in. Please focus on those.
December 9th, 2005 at 12:53 pmThere’s nothing wrong with using Mrs. Bush to drive the point right up BO’s ass that there is NO war on Christmas. I wanna hear him bash the First Lady for being insensitive towards Christians.
December 9th, 2005 at 12:54 pm#If you “knew†MRS. Bush, you’d know how offensive your moniker “Ms.†was to her. Now if you were discussing Ms. Clinton, Ms. Reno, Ms. Shalala, Ms. Steinem, etc. that might be different.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2005 @ 12:34 pm
CoughCoughLIARCOUGH..You KNOW the TV. Get a LIFE. READ A BOOK
December 9th, 2005 at 12:58 pm“Is Laura Bush crosseyed, or am I nuts?”
I don’t know if she’s cross-eyed, but its obvious she’s on some heavy-duty drugs; how else could she make it through another day as the wife of a mass-murderer? Of course, I’m assuming there’s a conscience in there, somewhere. Her mother-in-law, the witch of the family, Barbara, has no compunction at all about the exploitive way their family lives.
December 9th, 2005 at 12:59 pmIf Theresa Heinz-Kerry was fair game, Laura Bush is fair game. As Republicans already know, you don’t win the game if you don’t play it to the fullest. The Bushes have a history of letting surrogates do their dirty work so they can appear to be above the fray. Anyone else find purple heart baind-aids offensive?
If she doesn’t like it, she can talk to the Religious Right. They didn’t keep us out of it, why should we keep her out of it. Plenty of perfectly innocent people have had their morals and religious standing impugned for the sake of this politically-motivated campaign against Bush’s opponents.
Meanwhile, if all those boycotting business who say Happy Holidays want to include Fox News and the Republican Party, that’s fine with me.
Here in liberal-land we are still saying Merry Christmas.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:01 pmI saw about 5 minutes of that video on Countdown the other night — PAINFUL!!
December 9th, 2005 at 1:02 pmIf the right wing wants to impugn the religous beliefs of their opponents, we need to hit them back. Hard. Yes, I want BO and the so-called religious right to accuse the first lady of waging a war on christmas.
I double-dog dare ya.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:05 pmIn case anyone still doesn’t realize it, this was not an attack on Laura Bush. It’s an attack on the notion that there is a War on Christmas and anyone who says “happy holidays” is participating.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:07 pmName Dropper,Morphodite Please Tell Me what MS. Means?
Mistress? or Misters? Or Mr and Mrs? isnt that WHAT MS. is?
Mister and Misses?
YOU WILL FIND anything to Argue over, and as USUAL always Pointless things, and OFF the Subject, your Interruptus Methods are Seen, and ignored.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:07 pmAs Child you act, then You are.
Judd,
Do you mean that Laura Bush is part of the Axis of Evil that is fighting against the Global War on Christmas?
Or are you tring to point out what a toll Bill O’Rielly is?
December 9th, 2005 at 1:11 pmNo, no, no, you guys don’t get it. You see, if you leave out the R in Mrs., you sound like a New England liberal, and Pickles doesn’t want to be associated with such a… No’theaste’n moniker. ^_^
December 9th, 2005 at 1:17 pmJewish men AND women AND children were Free and Chose to have Jesus Crucified, TORTURED Jesus,Threw Stones At Jesus, Spitted On Jesus, Whipped Jesus! Chose to HATE Jesus. Chose to have Jesus Killed!.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:18 pmAnd one of the most Significant commandments was
THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!!
By the way,Jesus loved Lazarus(The Beggar).
Lauru Bush sure LOVES Them Doggies. The doggies must treat her good in bed at nite.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:19 pmSoooo refreshing to see how long it takes before #23 is (hopefully) removed by mods. (I know, I’m just as useless.)
December 9th, 2005 at 1:25 pmThe Witch , Jews themselves loved torturing,
even the priests have tortured witches.
Jewish men AND women AND children were Free and Chose to have Jesus Crucified, TORTURED Jesus,Threw Stones At Jesus, Spitted On Jesus, Whipped Jesus! Chose to HATE Jesus. Chose to have Jesus Killed!.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:32 pmP.S> Jews love Torture!
And one of the most Significant commandments was
THOU SHALT NOT KILL!!!
By the way,Jesus loved Lazarus(The Beggar).
Judd
I get it … but, the first lady is about as benign as it gets … I mean, she mostly just helps people out. It seems a tad cruel to “use” her as an example … collateral damage I guess?
December 9th, 2005 at 1:35 pmWhy do we care about this again? Levity to break up the discussions about torture? Is there any evidence that anybody really cares about the ‘war on Christmas’? The last I saw, even O’Really’s audience wasn’t buying it.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:37 pmI don’t know if she’s cross-eyed, but its obvious she’s on some heavy-duty drugs; how else could she make it through another day as the wife of a mass-murderer?
I couldn’t help but think the same thing upon viewing her closing statement.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:37 pmfirst lady worries more about her doggies than her own children.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:38 pmI guess she sees it this way
well, my doggies keep me happy(Especially at nite when georgie is out drinking)
bill moyers on cspan now
December 9th, 2005 at 1:39 pmWell, so much for our fond hope that the general tone of things around here was about to improve….
December 9th, 2005 at 1:46 pmWhy does Laura Bush hate Christmas? (Part 2)
What will Christians do? The First Lady is taking “Christ” out of Christmas?
December 9th, 2005 at 1:46 pm# 1 Giacomo… You wouldn’t know cynicism if it hit you in the face would you? Do we need to break it down for you?
December 9th, 2005 at 1:55 pm#27
The First Lady isn’t just supposed to sit around and help people. Remember Hillary and Health care, Nancy Regean and the War on Drugs. Laura is supposed to be doing something rather than just decorating the White house for the “Holiday Season”
December 9th, 2005 at 1:56 pmHow is it that Ms. Bush is so innocent in being married to a liar, thief, and a mass murderer? It’s a crime not to stop war crimes.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:02 pmHey you guys…no one killed Christ it is a myth, a fable, a parable about how to live your life in a positive way. Also there is nothing offense about Ms., unless you are a right-wing nutter who believes that all womyn are the property of their husbands…you don’t believe that do you.
If the Bill O’Reilly can support Christmas when the Fox News Channel sells Holiday Ornaments (of course until someone notices and then they change it to Christmas), then we can boycott the White House for using Holiday! Okay maybe not…but it would be fun!!
December 9th, 2005 at 2:08 pm-14 - “YOU WILL FIND anything to Argue over, and as USUAL always Pointless things, and OFF the Subject, your Interruptus Methods are Seen, and ignored.” - Foam Head
December 9th, 2005 at 2:08 pm*****You’re absolutely RIGHT - progs will go after absolutely any Bush anytime, anywhere - thanks for the reading tip - but I just regurgitated after reading the magnificient tome by Marx - I can always hear so much of the SAME here!!! Next thread….
The First Lady isn’t just supposed to sit around and help people. Remember Hillary and Health care, Nancy Regean and the War on Drugs.
Yeah … but that healthcare thing turned into a debacle … Laura’s does have her reading initiative.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:11 pmLaura sleeps with her dogs
December 9th, 2005 at 2:16 pmAny of you brainiacs know where the word “holiday” is derived?
It’s Holy-Day. Gasp, a reference to God and holiness! God forbid!
December 9th, 2005 at 2:18 pmThe Witch
December 9th, 2005 at 2:24 pmOne reason the “War on Christmas” is important to discuss, it that it exemplifies the disgusting lengths right-wingers will go to. I mean, they are actually exploiting their sacred holiday in order to attack political opponents. So, if there are examples of how ridiculous the whole thing is, it should be explored and publicized. Don’t ya think?
December 9th, 2005 at 2:33 pmDiversion.
It is, after all, the only discourse these talking heads know.
Laura Bush gave up her right to be nice when she ‘accidentally’ committed manslaughter, and killed her first love in Texas; and also, when she decided to sell pot at the University (Methodist at that); furthermore, she does not get to be a “right to lifer” because she chain smokes.
But, let’s not talk mean about our First Lady. She’s so cute and adorable. At least she does seem to care about her terriers, in her XMAS/holiday photo-op.
Why the hell do we not get a complete DSM-IV run down on these people who are in charge of our daily lives!
Does anyone in their right mind, really and truly believe that the Bush family - in its entirety, et al - are not on drugs, of one kind or another?
The eyes (”windows of the soul”) do NOT lie! Reptiles, snake eyes, scary-scary, all of them and their entire clan of murderous idiots.
For example: Look very carefully into Dick Cheney’s eyes and you can see all the way to hell.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:33 pmWhy does everyone go ga-ga over Laura Bush? She’s a Stepford wife who I don’t think has ever said a genuine thing in her life!
Sorry if I am not singing the First Lady’s praises - she smiles while her husband sends our military to his dirty work.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:35 pmJohn Stewart gets it right. He says that the motto “Happy Holidays” isn’t a slight against Christmas or Christians but is so that we don’t feel like jerks for saying “Merry Christmas” on Nov. 21st.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:36 pmIt’s the DSM-IVR now … you may find something on people that believe in the “windows of the soul” concept in the revised version. If not, the DSM-V is due next year.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:44 pmRe: Comment #1, the original post here is not attacking Laura Bush. It is pointing out how utterly retarded the right wing lunatics are in claiming that everyone except the nuttiest 2% of America is attacking Christmas.
The purpose of the Laura Bush comments is to show that even the nuttiest of the nutty are not exclusively saying “Merry Christmas”, that even the right wing psychos say “Happy Holidays”.
The point is, if all the left wing Satanists (snark) are slaughtering Christmas by calling this time of year “the Holidays”, then so is the wife herself of Our Dearest Leader, the Oblivious In Chief. And obviously, she has no grudge against Christmas.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:47 pmThis so-called “War on Christmas” should be called out for it really is: the latest front in the never-ending War on Jews by the right-wing. Henry Ford - a big admirer of Hitler and author of “The International Jew” - used this very same imaginary conspiracy to try to rally bigots against the Jews in the 1930s. The sheer amount of ugly anti-Semitism that lurks in the subtext of the fiery “War on Christmas” rhetoric is simply terrifying.
I’m glad that ThinkProgress is using excerpts like Laura’s holiday greeting to show how this “war” is a completely fabricated facade designed to provide cover for virulent anti-Semitism.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:50 pm48
1) Only one or two (O’Reilly and Gibson?) conservatives are, majorly, purporting the “war” right now … it’s not really an issue to most of us.
2) Laura Bush has nothing to do with O’Reilly and Gibson.
3) Just like liberals don’t all agree, neither do all conservatives … you’re grouping all of us into one.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:56 pmHow Bush Stole Christmas
December 8, 2005
First, the inspiration: on the Press Democrat, page A2, People column, principal photo shot of the First lady Laura Bush reading “How the Grinch Stole Christmas†to a group of young patients at a children hospital in Washington. Now for the article “Bush concedes ‘uneven’ progress in rebuilding Iraq†by Peter Baker spits out more platitudes from Bush along with anecdotal excuses for failure. This time Bush admits recovery and rebuilding of Iraq was hindered by “corruption, misplaced priorities and insurgent attacks.†He explains (tries, in my opinion) that his strategic errors dragged on in “fits and starts.†But all his failures and deceptions are more costly than he wants to admit or to justify; for the very foundation of this war is nothing more than one Big Fat Lie. The book Laura Bush should be reading, and before Congress, is “How George W. Bush Stole Christmas†from 2100 plus families whose children return from Iraq in coffins. And how he stole Christmas from America in worth of $277 billion and is expect to grow $100 billion more. To President Bush’s “efforts†in Iraq I said “Bah! Humbug.â€
December 9th, 2005 at 2:57 pm50 - > 3) Just like liberals don’t all agree, neither do > all conservatives … you’re grouping all of us into one.
Of course they’re don’t! I’m sure each conservative has his/her own finely nuanced take on the RNC’s daily talking points that are completely lost on us dumb-ass liberals. For instance, one conservative might think that liberals are all traitors that should be hung for treason. While another conservative might think we should all be *shot* for treason.
And please forgive me for not seeing the ever-so-fine distinction between Neocons, Paleocons, Theocons, Decepticons, and plain ‘ole Con-cons. They all look like fascists to me.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:08 pmHell yes you should point this out. Why shouldn’t we get that demagogic scumbag O’Goebbels to start attacking Laura Bush? Is she not Jewish enough? Anti-Semitism should be attacked with every bullet we have, Laura Bush is certainly not above being used to help stop the next massacre of Jews that Fazi News is trying to whip up.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:09 pmWow - anyone know what you have to do to have your comment removed by Admin? It must’ve been pretty bad considering how truly free of speech this forum is…
What amazes me the most is that with thousands of real problems in the world from AIDS to starvation to child abuse that ignorant pigs like O’Reilly and Limbaugh would decide to fight over a word. Didn’t their mamas tell them about sticks ands stones… ???
December 9th, 2005 at 3:10 pmFor instance, one conservative might think that liberals are all traitors that should be hung for treason. While another conservative might think we should all be *shot* for treason.
And please forgive me for not seeing the ever-so-fine distinction between Neocons, Paleocons, Theocons, Decepticons, and plain ‘ole Con-cons. They all look like fascists to me.
Cool down the rhetoric a tad, will you. All I’m saying is that it might be easy to group all conservatives into the “liberal hating, nazi fascist” camp … but the reality is you’d likely find “pieces” of agreement with me (and others). How one leans politically can’t be stated as the opposite of two poles, but many steps along a continuum. A liberal Republican and a conservative Democrat could be the same person … is my point.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:12 pmAnti-Semitism should be attacked with every bullet we have, Laura Bush is certainly not above being used to help stop the next massacre of Jews that Fazi News is trying to whip up.” You exaggerate more than I do and I exaggerate if you see my posts.With loads of grammatical errors.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:17 pm55 -> “…but the reality is you’d likely find “pieces†of agreement with me (and others).”
Maybe in 2000. Not in 2005. Karl Rove and his ilk systematically destroyed any common ground we may have had, especially after 9/11.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:25 pmNah … try me. I haven’t changed all that much since 95 let alone 05 … probably the same for you.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:28 pmbut perhaps when some of your lot start calling an anti-Semitic bigot an anti-Semitic bigot
December 9th, 2005 at 3:33 pmIs that a real life rorschach on Pickle’s lap? I see Satan with his sharpened black pitchfork jabbing at a wide eyed fur seal.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:34 pmI see an old man with a handlebar mustache sloppily eating an ice cream cone. Wait a second…. that is not an ice cream cone.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:39 pmHa, this is hysterical. Now, I KNOW the republicans would never attack a First Lady - never. And Aphro, Ms. as opposed to Mrs.? Please - who cares, really? What’s in a name? Wouldn’t Miss Bush smell just as sweet?
Anyway, the neocons are going to have to deal with the silly crap they try to pull to sway the sheeple. We are merely showing how silly. If you give it, you are going to have to get it back.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:41 pmOne aspect of this issue also is the fact that if Bill Clinton were in the White House now and sending out “Holiday” greetings, BO, Rush, Hannity and all the others would be excoriating him for his godlessness and whatever else. What are those folks saying about President War Criminal sending out such egregious attacks on Christianity?
December 9th, 2005 at 3:41 pm# 57 (sohei)-
December 9th, 2005 at 3:42 pmI disagree…I find in my many discussions (my calm discussions where I try to use little rhetoric so as NOT to polarize our two sides so that we may find common ground) I can often find common ground with conservatives. I am an extremely liberal person, but if you go through the issues there is often common ground on some. It is extremely unusual that two people disagree on every single thing, or even on every single point within a single issue, regardless of how good Karl Rove is at his work. The fact is, people will always feel too strongly about certain things within an issue or about an issue for their minds to be changed, even by Karl Rove. The only thing your post shows is that Karl Rove is doing his job very very well, and that you’ve fallen victim to much of his propaganda…this saddens me =(
His strategy is to make us BELIEVE that we are polarized. Stop believing him Sohei!
“A liberal Republican and a conservative Democrat could be the same person … is my point.
Comment by Giacomo”
If you ask people what they believe, the majority of americans don’t believe in republican values. The only common ground is what republicans ‘propose’, not what they ‘enact’.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:52 pmWhy don’t Laura’s past ever get mentioned. She’s no saint, she killed (not an accident) her boyfriend at 17 and per her x-sister in law sold pot too.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:54 pmI find that statement by Gia just ridiculous. There are no liberal republicans.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:54 pmLaura is just another pretender.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:56 pmShe says “holiday” but is surrounded by a Christmas decorations and Christmas music.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:05 pmDSM-IV TR to be correct.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:05 pmWar on Christmas is a stupid idea. People have been going around replacing “Merry Christmas” with “Happy Holidays” for a long time, and only now it’s some big issue?
I agree that the idea is being used by the Right out of desperation. This shows how desperate BO and his followers truly are.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:08 pmWho wants to wager that the Christmas cards Bill O’Reilly’s family sent out this year say “Holiday”?
December 9th, 2005 at 4:17 pmDoesn’t HOLIDAY mean “holy day” anyway?
December 9th, 2005 at 4:21 pmThis is not an attack on the first lady. Not, certainly not in the same sense as the conservative attacks on Mrs Clinton when she was first lady, or their daughter, who Rush Limbaugh called a dog when she was 14.
So you “conservatives” can quit bitching about common ground until you clean up your own house. Glass house, stones, ’nuff said.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:31 pmLaura Bush is a wolf in sheeps clothing. She’s as radical and anti-choice as her husband.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:36 pm#FRED
Doesn’t HOLIDAY mean “holy day†anyway?
Comment by Fred — December 9, 2005 @ 4:21 pm
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December 9th, 2005 at 4:36 pm~~AETZI~~
The All
It’s not a War on Christmas — it’s a War on Tolerance.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:37 pmSo, what really is the point being brought up here? I don’t see a “war” on Christmas at all, especially from an administration that has such clout with the Christian right. I can certainly see an overt politically correct statement, with Hannakah, Christmas, and Kwanzaa being celebrated around the same time of year. Why is this topic even on thinkprogress? Aren’t there more pressing issues to address?
Jack
December 9th, 2005 at 5:45 pmIt’s a war on sanity and rationality - two things conservatives can never abide to tolerate.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:58 pmSo, what really is the point being brought up here? I don’t see a “war†on Christmas at all, especially from an administration that has such clout with the Christian right. I can certainly see an overt politically correct statement, with Hannakah, Christmas, and Kwanzaa being celebrated around the same time of year. Why is this topic even on thinkprogress? Aren’t there more pressing issues to address?
Jack
Comment by Jack B. Critical
Good point. I’ll tell ya, it’s Bush bashing pure and simple. In other words meaningless Leftist drivel. Now here’s a topic too hot for Think Communist to handle…they leave all the good one for me to post I guess…
Council Members Urge Calm Over ‘Tookie’ Williams Decisions
POSTED: 2:13 pm PST December 9, 2005
LOS ANGELES — Four Los Angeles City Council members called for calm Friday as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger considers whether to grant clemency to Crips co-founder and death row inmate Stanley “Tookie” Williams.
http://www.nbc4.tv/ news/ 5503561/ detail.html?rss=la&psp=news
So what do we do at Christmas time with this convicted murderer? Turn him loose and avoid the inevitable riot? Hang his pimping ass?
Remember it’s Christmas. Peace-Love-Dove etc. On the other hand the guy has no doubt murdered scores of people leaving hundreds of little black kids without a daddy they never were going to know anyway. What say you lovers of justice?
December 9th, 2005 at 6:32 pmJews were Free to Choose to have Jesus Crucified or not, TORTURED Jesus,Threw Stones At Jesus, Spitted On Jesus, Whipped Jesus! Chose to HATE Jesus. Chose to have Jesus Murdered!. In A Torturous way!
(Ever try hanging from a cross?)
Intentional torurous murder.
And one of the most Significant commandments was
THOU SHALT NOT Murder.!!!
Jesus on the other hand, Loved Lazarus the Begger.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:34 pmJews were Free to Choose to have Jesus Crucified or not, TORTURED Jesus,Threw Stones At Jesus, Spitted On Jesus, Whipped Jesus! Chose to HATE Jesus. Chose to have Jesus Murdered!. In A Torturous way!
(Ever try hanging from a cross?)
Intentional torurous murder.
And one of the most Significant commandments was
THOU SHALT NOT Murder.!!!
Jesus on the other hand, Loved Lazarus the Begger.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:36 pm?????????????????????????????????????????????????
Blame the Jews.
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December 9th, 2005 at 8:55 pmMizzWrong,
Christmas is a pagan holiday of feasts and excess, you’re a fool.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:16 pmI-NAZI-I
So what do we do at Christmas time with this convicted murderer? Turn him loose and avoid the inevitable riot? Hang his pimping ass?
Remember it’s Christmas. Peace-Love-Dove etc. On the other hand the guy has no doubt murdered scores of people leaving hundreds of little black kids without a daddy they never were going to know anyway. What say you lovers of justice?
The real mass murderer is George W. Bush. I don’t know why we execute murderers who killed one or two people, and yet a sadistic creep like Bush can get away with murdering thousands of people for no good reason.
So what do we do with HIS pimping ass?
December 10th, 2005 at 12:18 am#80 I-NAZI-I
So what do we do at Christmas time with this convicted murderer? Turn him loose and avoid the inevitable riot? Hang his pimping ass?
Remember it’s Christmas. Peace-Love-Dove etc. On the other hand the guy has no doubt murdered scores of people leaving hundreds of little black kids without a daddy they never were going to know anyway. What say you lovers of justice?
The real mass murderer is George W. Bush. I don’t know why we execute murderers who killed one or two people, and yet a sadistic creep like Bush can get away with murdering thousands of people for no good reason.
So what do we do with HIS pimping ass?
December 10th, 2005 at 12:18 amIf saying “Happy Holiday’s” is a “War on Christmas”, then Laura Bush is indeed waging a war on Christmas, and O’Reilly, if he is serious ought to go after her as hard as he is going after others. Of course, Laura Bush is not waging a war on Christmas, which just shows that there is no war on Christmas.
It should also be noted that its not even Christmas now, it’s Advent. The “12 days of Christmas” start after Christmas.
And yes, the word “holiday” does its origin in “holy day”, but it does not mean holiday. In the UK, holiday means the same as the word vacation does in the US. New Year’s Day is a holiday, but not a “holy day”. I sometimes buy gas at Holiday gas stations. That gas station is not sacred.
But this mythical “War on Christmas” isn’t comething that O’Reilly dreamed up on his own. It’s an orchestrated political campaign by the Republican party. If anything is a “War on Christmas”, it is the overcommercialization of Christmas. But you don’t see much complaints from the right about that.
December 10th, 2005 at 3:04 amLaura looks like she’s about to breastfeed those pups
December 10th, 2005 at 3:05 amFIVE FOR THE HECK OF IT
Welcome home, Joseph Stalin
November 28, 2005
American jurisprudence drops dead in “Administration calls all the shots on detainee cases†by Adam Liptak marks a incoming watershed that individual duo process in this country is evaporating fast into oblivion. Really quick and dirty: Jose Padilla and his defense team are quite aware they’re hopping into a kangaroo court as oppose to a court of law. Aside from the ponderousness of the article, comments such as Eric Freedman, Hofstra Law University, stated that the executive branch (meaning President Bush) can “be judge, jury and executioner,†with any American citizen. But what’s most shocking is that if Padilla does get acquitted from what “charges†are level at him, the president reserve the right to detain Padilla again, just-like-that. Instead of reason we get such idiotic drivel like that of Tasia Scolinos, a Justice Dept. spokeswoman, spouting “the important thing is for someone not to come away thinking this whole process is arbitrary, which it is not.†Come again? The whole process is as arbitrary as Joseph Stalin.
The Bloody Story
November 29, 2005
David Brooks seems to suffer from a foot-in-mouth ailment. In his “American heroes abroad are still unknown at home†Brooks asserts that troops in Iraq who distinguish themselves above and beyond the call aren’t mention on the home front. Brooks’ example is Capt. Leva, and how he and his men lead an assault, cleaning out insurgent strongholds along the Iraqi-Syrian border. There are other examples but this will suffice. And Brooks’ point is well taken but his ulterior motive in all this renders his point moot. Brooks and the rest of the pro-Iraq war writers have a lot to answer to for putting the likes of Capt. Leva on the spot, risking his life, along with those under his command, in order to achieve heroism. Or die trying. The Big Fat Lie known as the Iraq war have cost the lives of 2100 plus heroes and counting. To Brooks, that’s okay: any soldier who find himself or herself in Iraq shouldn’t question the very deliberate and misleading foundation this war is founded on. There is no honor for anyone to die for a lie and for those who to profit: Brooks supplies the ink, the soldiers supplies the blood.
Timing is Everything
November 29, 2005
This article “Timing cited as factor in Democrats’ vote for war†by Ronald Brownstein and Emma Vaughn is worrisome. The issue is whether the decision for military action against Iraq was influenced by the 2002 election. Daschle asked both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney to delay the vote for war after the election, not to politicizing it. Whether Bush or Cheney just nod and padded Daschle’s head and said no to him isn’t so important to me than the Bush/Cheney’s true intention for pursing the war: their desire to conquer Iraq was from the inception of the Bush Presidency in 2001. Allowing Congress just one night to review NIE on Iraq, 10 days before the vote the Bush administration at the same time forced the war vote on the Democrats, challenging their patriotism by limiting reflection and open debate. In short, any member who question the war before the election were accused of being soft on Hussein or providing aid and comfort to the 9/11 terrorists. This is more truthful than what Daschle said: “Given the circumstance…that we were responding to 9/11…all the urgency was created and cajoling by the administration.†Yeah, right.
Sit down and Shut up
December 1, 2005
David Sanger’s “Bush: Forces to shift focus†is too explosive for me to remained civil. President Bush once again spoke out another bromide at the U. S. Naval Academy. The prop up democracy scenarios, American-style, is nowhere in Iraq. What is evident is 2100 plus dead troops and counting; the massive mismanagement of the hundred of billion of dollars disappearing into a black hole called security instead of reconstruction of a nation. The over the top deception in recruiting young men and women to fight President Bush’s Folly, the Big Fat Lie known as the Iraq war. Inspired by Abu Ghraib, evidence of horrific human rights abuses by our Iraqi allies, including kidnappings, torture and murders, is blossoming; the new Cambodian Killing Fields of the Middle East. Iraq now has two black eyes: one from Hussein’s tyranny and the other from Bush’s Democracy. Absent in his speech Bush also failed to mention the war profiteering with Halliburton and other no-bit contract connections. Again, not mention, the dumping of white-phosphorus on the fighters and civilians alike in Fallujah. And will someone please tell Bush that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11!
The Shadow Knows
December 2, 2005
Who know what lurks in the hearts of Americans—David Brooks does! In his “America is entering an age of skepticism†Brooks tries desperately to convince readers that a cloud of skepticism had blanketed America, paralyzing Americans from doing what needs to be done: support President Bush’s Big Fat Lie known as the Iraq war. Now that George W. Bush is taking hits for his failed foreign and domestic policies Brooks claim disillusion and skepticism had affected Americans from doing what’s right: rejecting the United Nations, accept Republicanism and dump the Bush fallout on the Democrats; his view that 75% of Americans who are opposing the Iraq war is due to that skepticism. And he believes the skepticism began with the Katrina Hurricane. In that regard he might be right—but it wasn’t skepticism but a major wake-up call for Americans: Bush’s policies to protect America stink. Brooks’ solution: win the Iraq war so that Americans would once again be bath with the light of confidence, ready to take on new challenges. David Brooks missed his calling: he should have joined the Pentagon’s Lincoln Group in Iraq, where his talents would be truly appreciated.
December 10th, 2005 at 3:43 amI saw a clip of the nauseating Pickles nonsense on the BBC last night, and found it embarrassing and unbelievable. As the “War on Terror” descends to new levels of obscentity, your President acts cute? Why on earth didn’t you leave this guy with his nose in a comic book and find a grown-up to run the world?
December 10th, 2005 at 5:36 amIf anyone actually cares, the idea of “Ms.” was meant to remove the stigma of a woman’s martial status from her title. It contracts both of the demarkations of Mrs. and Miss. into a simple Ms. devoid of marital status - just the way men have a simple Mr. devoid of marital status. Know it seems silly to some, but if you’ve ever been treated appallingly because of your lack of a husband, you know why it happened.
Well, that and if you are self-destructively married to men like George Bush or Dick Cheney (gross) would you really want people to know it? Better to be Ms. and assumed to be a blood relation of unfortunate circumstances… :)
December 10th, 2005 at 9:36 amIf anyone actually cares, the idea of “Ms.†was meant to remove the stigma of a woman’s martial status from her title. It contracts both of the demarkations of Mrs. and Miss. into a simple Ms. devoid of marital status - just the way men have a simple Mr. devoid of marital status. Know it seems silly to some, but if you’ve ever been treated appallingly because of your lack of a husband, you know why it happened.
Comment by unbelievable —
Not true. The title was invented by the totally evil radical feminists to remove the stigma of marriage from a woman. They believe that marriage is an outdated form of slavery forced upon women by white hetro-sexual members of the dominant male species. The idea that somehow “Miss” could be a stigma attached to a young lady was an excuse.
Naturally there’s always some truth to the lies of the Filthy Left and some of the dykes and butt ugly feminists who couldn’t attract a man covered their own embarrassment and inadequacies with the idea that were being singled out for ridicule because they weren’t married. The fact is they were being singled out but not because they were single but because what came out of their mouths made them butt ugly and singularly detestable.
Somewhat normal women being vain and somewhat stupid bought into the lie for a time but the situation is improving for them thanks to butt-crack and ass cheek showing underwear and short skirts coming into style playing upon their natural tendency to vanity and the current meme that it is now quite OK for women to be sexual objects.
….and people wonder why I say women shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
December 10th, 2005 at 10:19 amWhy on earth didn’t you leave this guy with his nose in a comic book and find a grown-up to run the world?
Comment by Baffled Brit
Show me a Left Wing Brit or American that acts like an adult and we’ll talk. By the way, still appeasing your Muslim radicals?
December 10th, 2005 at 10:49 am#92 Tell me I’m wrong and then repeat what I’ve just said in different words? You’re that desperate to argue, eh?
People don’t believe women shouldn’t be allowed to vote, but they do think you should be neutered. Let’s have a fund raiser, DeLay style. Anyone wanna donate a $1 to the “Save America, spay I-Right-I” fund? You can get your photo taken with the 130 miilion women in this country (that’s all of them IRI) who would sooner commit hari haki than ever sleeping with him…
IRI, you are birth control all on your own. Just open your mouth and the women flee in horror…
December 10th, 2005 at 10:56 amI-RIGHT-I
I’m a Psychologist.
Only guy who can’t get laid degrades women.
Might wanna find a good blow up doll. That is, if she’ll have you!
December 10th, 2005 at 11:04 am#94 Count me in for $5. Unless you can find a rusty razor blade in some back alley to use.
December 10th, 2005 at 11:59 am#94 Unbelivable, Yep! I agree and here’s why. When I was raising horses years ago, I had a dreadful stud colt. I also had a dreadful husband. This great friend and vet told me” bad stud colts and husbands should be guilded.” This from a man. Well I divorsed the husband and my vet guilded the stud. Both had an attitude adjustment. Don’t know or care where the x is but the horse is now a pleasent creature to be around. Tell me where to send the donation…..Blessings
December 10th, 2005 at 12:08 pm92 Tell me I’m wrong and then repeat what I’ve just said in different words? You’re that desperate to argue, eh?
Comment by unbelievable
I didn’t repeat what you said. I corrected your view of the reason Ms. was invented. By the way, the same people who gave us “Ms.” gave us “misogynist”, “homophobia” and “metro-sexual”, which is another name for a guy that thinks queers and radical feminists are cool who isn’t afraid to get in touch with his feminine side and is liable to swing both ways if there’s money in it. By the way I’m pretty sure it’s those same losers that gave us reality TV…. but I could be wrong about that.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:16 pmI-RIGHT-I
I’m a Psychologist.
Only guy who can’t get laid degrades women.
Might wanna find a good blow up doll. That is, if she’ll have you!
Comment by kiss me kate
Don’t get me wrong, I think there are some good women out there. Laura Bush comes to mind even though she’s been infected with the DC PC Bug.
Getting laid though really isn’t a problem or the issue. The problem is most of the good women my age are married and those that I’m attracted to (ten years my jr.) have serious psychological problems themselves thanks to post modernistic heathens who control and guide popular culture. Not only that but STD’s scare the hell out of me and a majority (I’m told) of single women between the ages of 18 to 35 have one or more than one. It’s really not very romantic to ask for the test results before dinner.
Thank you Left Wing Walking Dead Losers who have seen to it that the average American woman thinks and acts like a French whore.
That said, I still manage thank you very much. Texas and the South still raises some pretty good women.
PS…the APA is filthy with queers and whores. I wouldn’t kiss you on a bet.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:27 pm#99
As a doctor, I can tell you, you need better sources of information. Go to an appropriate source for medical statistics (this does NOT include your religious or right-wing political clubs). And if that many women had STDS, where do you think they came from if lesbians have the lowest rate of sexually transmitted diseases of all? Yes, from men. So, the rates are about the same. Now let’s hear you bash men whores… go ahead.
I don’t need you to kiss me, I have a husband to do that. Fortunately, most men are not like you. It’s just that the ones who are have a really loud need to advertise. Oh, the injustices of the world!
I bet you’re about 5′-4″ there Napoleon…
And, unbelievable, count me in on the donation to his neutering.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:44 pm#90 - “Why on earth didn’t you leave this guy with his nose in a comic book and find a grown-up to run the world?”
December 10th, 2005 at 12:53 pmComment by Baffled Brit — December 10, 2005 @ 5:36 am
*****Your sreen name (and sophomoric remarks) lead me to understand why some Brits are just downright pathetic. In the PC world of great Britain, radical Muslim clerics are allowed to flourish. I’m just glad your greatest PM, Winston Churchill, isn’t around to see how pathetically noxious the tenor is in his country”wimps”. And your great “Iron Lady” (were she up to it) would look at you with tremendous disdain and politely dismiss you with a “tsk, tsk…” Certainly, you warrant no more
#98 You repeated what I said. You know you did.
Considering how many people you exclude from your life, who do you hang out with on a Saturday Night, your grandma?
December 10th, 2005 at 1:07 pm#99
As a doctor, I can tell you, you need better sources of information.
You’re not a doctor. A vet is more entitled to be called a doctor than some goofy broad with a psychology degree and that includes your Piledhigher and Deeper if you have one and by your writing style I doubt you do.
Go to an appropriate source for medical statistics (this does NOT include your religious or right-wing political clubs). And if that many women had STDS, where do you think they came from if lesbians have the lowest rate of sexually transmitted diseases of all?
Reasoning isn’t your strong point if you want to say lesbians make up enough of the population to skew the numbers. What are you, ten? By the way…speaking of lesbos…most lesbos swing both ways and can’t truly be called lesbos. Sexual Libertines is probably a better description.
Yes, from men. So, the rates are about the same. Now let’s hear you bash men whores… go ahead.
I didn’t say anything about where they got it did I? And I don’t care how many men have STD’s I’m not into men. Besides I’m not going to bash my brother man whores. Ok, I used to be one until I determined to use my powers for good and not evil. But the fact is the typical American Whore has about 10 times as many partners and the typical American man. Ask your husband. He got laid whenever he could and if you’re half way good looking you got laid whenever you wanted to and since you see your sexuality as a tool to get what you want and learned to have no moral obligations to your future husband to keep yourself from screwing everything in sight…..you most likely did screw everything in sight. My apologies if you’re over 70.
I don’t need you to kiss me, I have a husband to do that. Fortunately, most men are not like you. It’s just that the ones who are have a really loud need to advertise. Oh, the injustices of the world!
Wrong…I bet you don’t even have your Masters.
I bet you’re about 5′-4″ there Napoleon…
And, unbelievable, count me in on the donation to his neutering.
6′ 2″ 200lbs brown/green and Class B racquetball player. I’m also charming, intelligent, good looking enough and a gentleman. Unless I’m here of course, then all bets are off, then I’m big mean and ugly.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:32 pm#98 You repeated what I said. You know you did.
did not
Considering how many people you exclude from your life, who do you hang out with on a Saturday Night, your grandma?
Believe it or not there are still plenty of people out there that aren’t Walking Dead Losers. My Gramma included.
Comment by unbelievable
December 10th, 2005 at 1:34 pm#105
Hope you and Grandma have fun tonight at Bingo.
By the way, what ever happened to that brilliant insight your were gonna dazzle me with? The tree thread is getting buried in the back, so let’s move it to here. And I’m not gonna quit asking until you do…
December 10th, 2005 at 1:42 pm#104
I attended medical school first, so I am a doctor. I later added my PhD in Psychology because I wanted to focus on helping abused children. I work for a private hospital treating the victims of abuse.
So, what’s your authority on lesbians? I’d really like to know because your logic is worse than my four year old nephew’s. What did you study in college?
Not all women are whores. I’ve been with two men. My first husband who was killed by a drunk driver and my current husband. Why do you think all women are promiscuous? Was your mother?
Liar, you’re short, chubby and bald or balding.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:49 pmBy the way, what ever happened to that brilliant insight your were gonna dazzle me with? The tree thread is getting buried in the back, so let’s move it to here. And I’m not gonna quit asking until you do…
Comment by unbelievable
What are you talking about. I’ve already posted dazzling fun facts to know and tell just this morning about feminists and post modern materialistic libertine American wymen. What sort of insight are you looking for? I can also fix your 83 Chrysler Le Baron.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:56 pmI attended medical school first, so I am a doctor. I later added my PhD in Psychology because I wanted to focus on helping abused children. I work for a private hospital treating the victims of abuse.
I’ve been with two men. My first husband who was killed by a drunk driver and my current husband.
Kiss This Kate!
Oh dear….the first liar doesn’t stand a chance around here. You should know that.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:58 pmLiar, you’re short, chubby and bald or balding.
Comment by kiss me kate
Your first clue that I wasn’t lying is that I considered myself “good looking enough”. Actually, I’m being modest…for a change.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:01 pm#95 #
I-RIGHT-I
I’m a Psychologist.
Only guy who can’t get laid degrades women.
Might wanna find a good blow up doll. That is, if she’ll have you!
Comment by kiss me kate — December 10, 2005 @ 11:04 am
There you have it, a diagnosis by a professional!
Thanks kate.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:15 pm#110
Actually, liars who want social acceptance will adopt a level of modesty so as not to seem like they are lying. Sort of tempering the lie to appear honest. You may have many issues, but you’re not looking for isolation.
But, as a doctor, I would be happy to perform your gender re-assignment surgery. I just didn’t specialize in gynocology.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:23 pmThere you have it, a diagnosis by a professional!
Thanks kate.
Comment by Susan
Her credentials are still in question. I think she’s making this up as the need arises. It’s what Donks do.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:34 pm#108
You posted comments, yes. But, dazzling, insightful and brilliant - no, no you didn’t do that - not even close. Honey, I know you’re not very bright, but I will try to explain it to you the way I do with the slow kids at school.
I can easily find many men willing to fix my car. I’m not looking for auto repair in here. I wanna hear your remarkable insight that is supposed to make me believe that I should agree with you.
(Keep in mind that I already told you that I was raised in a Christian, Republican and traditional household, but found that to be a miserable existence. Kinda like are now.)
December 10th, 2005 at 2:35 pm#113
Your grip on reality is still in question… but it doesn’t stop you now does it?
December 10th, 2005 at 2:37 pm#112, who needs credentials when the diagnosis is right on.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:38 pm#112, who needs credentials when the diagnosis is right on.
Comment by Susan
That’s pretty much what Dan Rather said wasn’t it? “It doesn’t matter if it’s a forgery. The information in the letter is essentially correct”. Like I said, you Donks make it up as you go. That’s why win. That’s why we’re better than you.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:44 pmHer credentials are still in question. I think she’s making this up as the need arises. It’s what Donks do.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 10, 2005 @ 2:34 pm
That’s why win. That’s why we’re better than you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 10, 2005 @ 2:44 pm
Uh oh, I-RIGHT-I, you are being beaten by a bunch or girls…
Keep talking, you are giving our new resident mental health professional more material to work with.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:47 pm#116
See IRI, another rational woman who doesn’t want anything to do with you!
Susan, can we put you in the ‘yes’ catagory for believing that he should be neutered?
IRI, you don’t have any objectors… not looking good for you buddy.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:47 pmI can easily find many men willing to fix my car. I’m not looking for auto repair in here. I wanna hear your remarkable insight that is supposed to make me believe that I should agree with you.
(Keep in mind that I already told you that I was raised in a Christian, Republican and traditional household, but found that to be a miserable existence. Kinda like are now.)
Comment by unbelievable
I don’t ask that you agree but if you’re looking for some specific insight then I’ll give it a shot. Maybe I’ll deconstruct your Catholic childhood and tell you why you turned out to be a rebellious whining brat. Maybe I won’t. But one thing is for sure, and I quote myself, “Everything you know is wrong”. Think about it. Everything.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:48 pm#118
We usually prefer to be called women, but seeing as the intent of your context probably points to IRI’s impotence, ah, it works for me.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:52 pm#116
See IRI, another rational woman who doesn’t want anything to do with you!
IRI, you don’t have any objectors… not looking good for you buddy.
Comment by unbelievable
You mean I don’t have any allies. I have plenty of objectors. But trust me, if we were to meet say at the next Live Fire Gun and Ammo show or in church you’d be enamored.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:53 pmUh oh, I-RIGHT-I, you are being beaten by a bunch or girls…
Comment by Gregor
Am not!
December 10th, 2005 at 2:55 pm#120
Okay, consider this. My parents were Catholic, but I grew up in the South where I took a bus to the local Baptist church every Sunday. I’ve read two different versions of the Bible (there are 16, though I’ve read that Falwell is writing his own version to add to the mix). Christianity is not favorable to women. It expects us to be secondary. It says so in Genesis. I’ve read it. I know what it says. I know that it’s also insane and contradictory. But it’s a result of the culture who wrote the book. They were misogynistic, homophobic and incestuous. You can’t tell me otherwise because I’ve lived it. Now - no one converted me to Atheism. I discovered it on my own. Then, I started reading Nietzsche and about Nihilism and the American Atheists website. And it all made sense to me. Christianity never did. I’ve lived on both sides of the fence. This one is better. Have you done both? Lived both sides? Can you conpare the two from personal experience? If so, and you are being honest, then tell me why you picked religion where you are not free, but a puppet to a very fear mongering master, and how it is that you are okay with being nasty and condescending to all people but especially women?
I’m no psychologist, but I’ve kown enough people in my life to see that you have serious self-esteem issues, and that rather than reach out to people with compassiona nd understanding, you chose to come to a liberal website and attack people. Who hurt you so badly that you laud war mongering, and hate, and bash women, and constantly try to embarrass or just flat out hurt others? That’s the insight I’d like to know. Am I being clear enough this time?
December 10th, 2005 at 3:03 pm#122
No I wouldn’t. I don’t go to church or to gun shows, and if I were taken to either at gun point, I wouldn’t find any man who attends those things attractive. Even if you have a physically attractive body, your personality and mind are unattractive to any woman with a hint of self-esteem.
Though you think that smart women are only ugly or gay, the reality is that you would be enamored with me. If I could post a photo here, I’d post enough images to prove it wasme. You’d have to eat every word you’ve ever uttered about feminists.
December 10th, 2005 at 3:11 pmWe usually prefer to be called women(…)
Comment by unbelievable — December 10, 2005 @ 2:52 pm
I am perfectly aware -but the word “women” does not have the same punch in a situation like this, if you know what I mean.
December 10th, 2005 at 3:22 pm#126
Yeah, I did… why I then added “but seeing as the intent of your context probably points to IRI’s impotence, ah, it works for me.”
Plus, I heard that once we get to a certain age, it’s supposed to be flattering to be called a girl again… I think IRI’s grandma would probably qualify.
Speaking of the Devil, IRI, where’s my response??? Just like you to run when I hit a bullseye…
December 10th, 2005 at 3:29 pmWhat do you want I_RIGHT_I? A photocopy of my medical degree? I dropped out of oncology right after my residency to wander the planet for a year trying to figure out why I wasn’t thrilled with being a doctor. Then, I went back to school. I have millions from my first husband’s accident. I like going to college. Knowledge is exciting to me (I know it frightens you - though probably not as much as the fact that I also donate to charities. Yes, I give money to people who truly need help. Scary notion for you, huh?).
December 10th, 2005 at 3:35 pmI have millions from my first husband’s accident.
[….]
Scary notion for you, huh?).
Comment by kiss me kate
It just gets better and better doesn’t it?
December 10th, 2005 at 3:51 pm#129
What better that my husband was killed in an accident? You are pathological.
I’d give the money back for his life. But I can’t. He’s dead and I was compensated by the rich old drunk who hit him. Guy was old money, (kinda like Bush) and it came out that due to his name and stature he kept getting a ride home from the local police department, until the night he killed my husband. Police didn’t get to him before he could kill someone. He had money and to save himself a trial he gave me 2.5 million. He was worth a lot more and if I had had the stamina to go through a trial, it could have been hundreds of millions. Doesn’t just happen in conservative fairytales. It happens in real life.
December 10th, 2005 at 4:22 pmYes unbelievable, mark me as one who says all neocons should be neutered.
kate, sorry for your loss.
December 10th, 2005 at 4:33 pm#131 Thanks Susan…
December 10th, 2005 at 4:38 pm“butt ugly feminists”
December 10th, 2005 at 6:22 pmHuh? Beyonce is a feminist she looks pretty fine to me!
#124 - “I don’t go to church or to gun shows, and if I were taken to either at gun point, I wouldn’t find any man who attends those things attractive. Even if you have a physically attractive body, your personality and mind are unattractive to any woman with a hint of self-esteem.”
December 10th, 2005 at 7:57 pmComment by unbelievable
*****You sound like a anti-religious bigot who is looking for a “metrosexual”. Aren’t Nihilists those folks who want to do what they want to do, when they want to do it. That sounds like a spoiled four year old to me. As I pointed out to girlfriends who describe their sensitive “dream man” - I said, “No thanks, I have enough GIRLfriends”. I find women who don’t like gun shows usually can’t shoot straight - being a good markswoman is wonderful for enhancing self-esteem.
Mad ManWomen and hersheit and her husbandmen…
if only We “knew” Laura..
Ahahahaaaa
Hey Tell Duhbya, that WE also KNOW about his Husbandmen Victor Ashe..
Say this Explains alot of these Freeks and their Bohemian Silliness, and their Purple Robes..
Hey MaphroNOTDeity, You got a Purple Robe?
Do you Hang out in the Grove MaD?
Do you go to the Sacramento Pyramid Mad?
You Know…Cmon Tell us What we already Know..
Cmon..Its gotta be tearing you APART, Literally..
Ask Whom the Bell Tolls Mad?
Ding-Dong-Ding-Dong-Ding-Dong
Who is it?
The Grimm Krappitalist..
KAcchunnnnggGGgggG!!
goeth the Neo-Kooks
Oh Yeah, KEEP you EYESon on this CORPORATE TOADIE;
Thinks hes Gonna Pull an End around. -Aj
POP THE WEASELS!
Yet, as they contemplate political ruin in next year’s election, these Republicans can take solace in the fact that, if defeated, their replacements may not differ in any meaningful way on important issues of the day. That at least is the hope and dream of Democratic apparatchik Rahm Emmanuel and the corporate toadies he represents. Ominously, Emmanuel, a relict of the Clinton White House, heads the Democratic National Campaign Committee.
As such, he decides which candidates for the House should get money and other support from the national party. At a time when any fool can see that the public hates the war more this month than last, and will hate it even more next month and the month after that, Emmanuel is doing his best to recruit candidates, preferably rich ones, guaranteed to eschew vocal opposition to the war.
December 10th, 2005 at 8:34 pm#I have millions from my first husband’s accident.
It just gets better and better doesn’t it?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 10, 2005 @ 3:51 pm
~~~~Hahaha Money is NOT POWER, LOL, What are you gonna DO buy Life? Buy another Face? Hmmm? Buy some More Botox? Or Surgery?
Are you not fighting the Inevitable?
A car is a Car
A person
A person no matter HOW much decoration YOU pile on it…hhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..
Gravity Got the Best of ya MaD?
And Time?
Money didnt stop that did it?
You can by a Male Escort I suppose,
But thats not LOVE is it?
Hey MaphroNOTDeity, You got a Purple Robe?
Do you Hang out in the Grove MaD?
Do you go to the Sacramento Pyramid Mad?
You Know…Cmon Tell us What we already Know..
Cmon..Its gotta be tearing you APART, Literally..
Ask Whom the Bell Tolls Mad?
Ding-Dong-Ding-Dong-Ding-Dong
Who is it?
The Grimm Krappitalist..
KAcchunnnnggGGgggG!!
goeth the Neo-Kooks
Oh Yeah, KEEP you EYES on on this CORPORATE TOADIE;
Thinks hes Gonna Pull an End around. Rahm Emmanuel -Aj
POP THE WEASELS!
Yet, as they contemplate political ruin in next year’s election, these Republicans can take solace in the fact that, if defeated, their replacements may not differ in any meaningful way on important issues of the day. That at least is the hope and dream of Democratic apparatchik Rahm Emmanuel and the corporate toadies he represents. Ominously, Emmanuel, a relict of the Clinton White House, heads the Democratic National Campaign Committee.
As such, he decides which candidates for the House should get money and other support from the national party. At a time when any fool can see that the public hates the war more this month than last, and will hate it even more next month and the month after that, Emmanuel is doing his best to recruit candidates, preferably rich ones, guaranteed to eschew vocal opposition to the war.
December 10th, 2005 at 8:41 pm#124 Who asked you Ann Coulter? Shouldn’t you be teaching your juvenile deliquents how to fire semi-automatics for your cult? Real women (those of us who still have all of our teeth) don’t need to shoot anything for self-esteem.
Religion is for people with zero self-esteem who cannot control themselves without a set of purile directions from some megalomaniac (go get a dictionary, even Wal-Mart sells them). And clearly you haven’t read a book since third grade if you think Nihilism is hedonism.
Metro-sexual, no. Any ambulatory monkey can pull a trigger or read a bible, I don’t find that appealing… but then again, unlike you, I don’t troll at the trailer park looking for drunks firing off rounds of ammunition. Boy you’re doing wonders to get back women’s rights…
December 10th, 2005 at 9:02 pmStill no insight IRI?????
Sorry, I teach high school, so I am aware that I might be speaking at a level that’s too advanced for you.
Let’s try this…
You said that you believe in a god because the system is perfect (or something relatively close to that). Right? Okay, so if the system is perfect, then explain the following imperfections in human anatomy:
1. Pseudo genes (for you science deficient neo-cons those are genes that exist but do not work. They are sorta like the Anna Nicole Smiths of DNA).
2. Male nipples and mammary glands (men can’t actually produce milk but they have the equipment).
3. The appendix (an organ that does not do anything, except on occasion, make some people deathly ill).
4. The coccyx (a.k.a. ‘tailbone’, which you wouldn’t think would be necessary in a tailless species).
5. The optic nerves of the eye running in front of the lens (should go behind it, as occurs in other species).
If you can give me a reality-based, rational answer on how these imperfect things can exist in a perfectly designed system, that does not quote any of the 16 versions of the Bible (because even you guys can’t prove that some guys didn’t just get together, write them and declare they were divinely inspired), then I will apologize for doubting you, tell you that you are right, admit I am wrong, and vote Republican in the 2006 and 2008 elections. That is what you want, isn’t it?
Take your best shot… a real man would.
December 10th, 2005 at 9:15 pm> The optic nerves of the eye running in front of the lens …
Is this what you teach?
December 11th, 2005 at 8:25 am#139
What do you people do - make up your own Biology? How desperate are you? Yes, the optic nerves of the human eye run in front of the lens. This is no big shock or controversy, it’s a result of dissection of an eye and visible proof. How do you function in reality if you constantly avoid it? Prozac? Zoloft?
You are proof that Education Reform is as critical as ever.
And not that it matters, I don’t teach Biology - but I took several courses of it in college and made A’s. I also read regularly (non-fiction), go to the science museum, take classes on a variety of subjects and explore the world. It’s what seperates some humans from the apes (and I don’t mean chimps, gorillas or orangutans).
December 11th, 2005 at 9:47 am“As an organ developed via the opportunistic twists and turns of evolutionary processes, the human eye is explainable. As an organ designed and created by an infinitely wise deity, the human eye is inexcusable. For unlike the invertebrate eyes just studied, the human eye is constructed upon the foundation of an almost incredible error: the retina has been put together back-wards! Unlike the retinas of octopuses and squids, in which the light-gathering cells are aimed forward, toward the source of incoming light, the photoreceptor cells (the so-called rods and cones) of the human retina are aimed backward, away from the light source. Worse yet, the nerve fibers which must carry signals from the retina to the brain must pass in front of the receptor cells, partially impeding the penetration of light to the receptors. Only a blasphemer would attribute such a situation to divine design!”
December 11th, 2005 at 10:07 am-Frank Zindler 1986 (science writer, former professor of biology and geology at NYU, masters in Geology and doctoral studies in neurophysiology.)
If you can give me a reality-based, rational answer on how these imperfect things can exist in a perfectly designed system, that does not quote any of the 16 versions of the Bible (because even you guys can’t prove that some guys didn’t just get together, write them and declare they were divinely inspired), then I will apologize for doubting you, tell you that you are right, admit I am wrong, and vote Republican in the 2006 and 2008 elections. That is what you want, isn’t it?
Take your best shot… a real man would.
Comment by unbelievable
It doesn’t matter to me who you vote for. One more for our side more or less won’t make any difference in the lopsided victory that I expect for the Conservatives.
I’m not in the mood to play your games about human anatomy. I suggest that men have nipples because God put them there knowing two things; that He would create Eve from the rib and she would share that physical characteristic but with a twist, they would have a purpose and that dummies like you would think that’s a reasonable argument for His ultimate departure from human affairs.
“butt ugly feministsâ€
Huh? Beyonce is a feminist she looks pretty fine to me!
Comment by That Guy
Beyonce is too stupid to be a real feminist. She’s a pretty lemming, that’s all.
Only a blasphemer would attribute such a situation to divine design!â€
-Frank Zindler 1986 (science writer, former professor of biology and geology at NYU, now political and religious hack.)
Comment by unbelievable
Only blasphemers do believe it. Those of us who don’t hold to the religion that life and man began from a primordial soup kitchen. Like all blasphemers we are marginalized and attacked for our non-belief.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:54 pmStill no insight IRI?????
Sorry, I teach high school, so I am aware that I might be speaking at a level that’s too advanced for you.
Hardly too advanced. You’ve just admitted that you lack the talent and the brains to get a real job. You are the reason so many people keep their kids at home and away from public school
Let’s try this…
You said that you believe in a god because the system is perfect (or something relatively close to that). Right?
No that’s not what I said. Maybe it’s what you remember because you lack the basic fundamental training and spiritual insights to know what I’m talking about when I said, “God’s plan of redemption is perfect”. One of the problems I’ve always had with Roman Catholics is the is the degree of importance the church has put on expository teaching. You should have learned this prior to being confirmed into the church. The fact is you have not been given enough information to determine that you were right in leaving the Church. Please notice the capitalization of Church. I do not refer exclusively to the RC denomination.
But even so, the universe and all that is in it to an open minded spiritually alive person, even non-Christians is obviously one of divine design and plan. That is one big reason why 99.9999% of the people on the earth that have eyes to see and a brain to think with believes in some sort of God. The rest of you have your head firmly planted up your ass. God says you are fools. I believe him.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:08 pm#142
Games? I didn’t make this up. It’s reality. The fact that you have no valid answer is a reason for you to be humble, not the raving, arrogant jerk that you have been. Face the fact, you believe what you believe in blind faith despite the obvious lack of intelligence or perfection in the system. That’s your choice, so stop slamming other people for not wanting to believe what you believe. You aren’t being attacked, just asked to stop attacking. You think it’s okay for you to come here and attack us, but you don’t like it, not one tiny bit when you are given a dose of your own medicine, do you? Practice what you preach for a change. I know you think it’s all about you, but it isn’t. And it never will be.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:13 pm#143
This is part of your problem - assuming. I graduated college with a degree in architecture. Only 10% who start that program ever finish. I then went on and worked in Corporate America for 14 years. I hated it. It was meaningless and pointless and catered to corporate greed. So, last October, I quit. Found a more meaningful career. So, once again you are wrong. I am one of the smart ones who wants to help fix the system. I know an ethical Atheist doesn’t compute in your tiny little pea brain, but as I told you before, people inherently know right from wrong and when given the free will to choose, most people do the right thing.
You keep forgetting that I grew up in the church. I do know. I know enough to reject it. And you did say that the system was perfect. In fact what you said was ” was just the opposite. I didn’t know Jesus Christ was God until I was past thirty. Something occurred to me too. The beauty, majesty, perfection of the PLAN in the Gospel was impossible to make up. I could and want to say more but I’ve got projects due. Maybe later.” I went and copied off the old thread. You said perfection.
99.9999%??? Why do you make up stuff when I can do a fact check and prove you wrong? 15% of the world’s population is Atheistic. 100% minus 15% is 85%. And it goes down from there with Buddhism, Taoism and so on. And I’ll tell you why you believe. You are born an Atheist. You become religious when you are told as a child, during the cultural indocrination of the formative years, to believe in a God. It’s why Christian parents don’t give birth to Jewish babies. It’s passed down like all of our cultural beliefs. But that doesn’t make them true. And it never will. No matter how big of a temper tantrum you throw or how many names you call me.
So now you’re hearing voices? Seriously, all jest aside. I love to debate, but don’t have issues with you personally. I’m sure you’re a real sweetheart in real life and outside of this format we’d be very civil to one another. You have your right to chose for yourself. But, if you are hearing voices, please go get help.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:29 pmP.S. You’re in no mood… Didn’t you go to church this morning? Isn’t that supposed to make you feel good? Make you wanna be peaceful and turn the other cheek?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:35 pm> … nerve fibers which must carry signals from the retina
> to the brain must pass in front of the receptor cells, …
What an idiot of teacher you (unbelievable) must be to confuse the lens (which focuses the light) with the retina (which absorbs the light and converts it to a signal on the nerve).
The nerve fiber are nowhere near the lens.
Even this source explains that the nerves are on the