Lonesome Joe:
By on Dec 9th, 2005 at 2:09 pm
Lonesome Joe:
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), yesterday on the Bill Press Show: “I’ve spoken to Joe Lieberman and he knows he’s out there alone. I mean, literally alone. Joe is a fine man, he has strong feelings, but he’s just alone. Even Republicans don’t agree with Joe.” (Audio here.)
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Good. He should stand in the corner for awhile. With a dunce hat on his head.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:16 pmNot only is Joe Lieberman alone…he’s a horse’s ass to boot!
December 9th, 2005 at 2:23 pmHe’s like Charlie Browns Christmas tree … someone will adopt him …
December 9th, 2005 at 2:24 pmIndeed, he must be feeling pretty “Joe”-nely out there in “Joe”-man’s land.
Too bad he’s such a “Joe”-ron.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:25 pmI guess the GOP figures a DINO would just
December 9th, 2005 at 2:25 pmbecome a RINO.
I hope he continues to be alone. I hope he is ostracized by his Democratic peers. I hope he lives to regret his allegiance to the Bush administration. I hope the Republicans don’t want him either. I hope he loses his Senate seat AND is not appointed to Secretary of Defense. I hope he retires soon. I hope he disappears from the television scene. I hope he joins Zell Miller in the old folks’ home for blabbering fools.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:25 pmHe’s not really alone — he’s just now out on the fringes with Nader and Larouche.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:26 pmHey Zippy,
Maybe they could form a new party:
1) The cast-offs
2) The misfits
3) The turn-coats
The possibilities are nearly endless
December 9th, 2005 at 2:28 pmLieberman is a jerk. He needs to be taken out next year – is there anyone in CT that can beat him?
AND I fully expect him to blow the filibuster fight over Alito in the senate. He will give the spineless moderates cover so Bushie can get another right wing radical on the Court.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:31 pmI do think Lieberman would make a
good Sec. of Def. since:
1) He is already on board with BushCo. on everything
December 9th, 2005 at 2:33 pm2) He is not quite as nuts as Rummy seems to be
Cue “I’m So Ronery” from the movie Team America.
I feel so bad for Joe. Nah, I can’t even say that with a straight face.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:38 pmJoe needs to come in from the cold and the corrupt.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:39 pmExcellent. Dumbass put himself there, however. It’s 100% his fault that he’s now shunned by both parties.
He need not ask for forgiveness from the Dems. We (ok, I) don’t want his sorry-ass back. You’re on a one-way street, Joey, and you have no reverse options. Better keep going–the Repub party is at the end of block, and you’re almost there.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:45 pmWhat a condrum Joe creates – are we still sad that Gore lost in 2000 or happy this prick didn’t get elected VP? Seems like a “does tree make a noise..” philosophical question that really dosen’t have an right answer.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:47 pmMakes me wonder what his constituents think of him. I have family in CT and honestly, they are liberal republicans. They probably like him. I know the state is more conservative than NY but it is way more New Englandish in that it’s more moderate than any southern state.
I hear his quotes and it makes me wonder who he thinks he’s representing.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:04 pmSomeone (possibly Bill Press) pointed out yesterday that on domestic issues, Lonely Joe votes almost completely the Democratic Party line. But he’s an outlier on foreign and specifically Middle East policy.
I think this is likely the result of his close allegiance to Israel. He parrots the Bush line because he sees that as a protection for Israel from marauding Muslims. Israel is his real blindspot. And it drives his view of the Iraq war.
Also, one reason that he is extremely popular in CT is that he is one of the Senate Jedi Masters in delivery of pork. Check his Senate web page sometime. You don’t become a 3-term Senator who has no serious opposition by being a political dumbass.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:13 pmWhat an idiot. When most Republicans are distancing themselves from the Bush Resgime and its Occupation of Iraq, why would this numnutz be endoring the tyrants?
It’s like everyone is running out of the burning building and Liebermann is running in!!!
December 9th, 2005 at 3:17 pmAnd HE was the best Gore could do in 2000?
December 9th, 2005 at 3:18 pmLieberman and Hillary (she endorses a flag-burning amendment now), both illustrate how out of touch with America the Democratic party has become. OTOH, any Dem who wants to get elected to the WH has to triangulate quite a bit if they want to carry the fly over states. The way things are set up electoral vote-wise, a conservative minority has more power than it should in this country. The current GOP has always appealed to that vocal and active minority. It only worked after 9/11. Now they are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Another terrorist strike now doesn’t work to the GOP advantage. It will get them tossed out on their asses as the incompetents they always were. They are on the way out now anyway. I’d settle for Hillary. She ain’t my first choice. Lieberman can screw himself, but Gore may have won in 2000 becuase of Lieberman, not in spite of him. And he did win that election.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:18 pmYeah, but they barely won it – enough for Ignorant George and Tricky Dick to steal it away.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:20 pmMy point is that they (Dems) are erring on the side of caution, and perhaps being too cautious in the process. They are a bit behind the curve and the country is way ahead of them. The conservative revolution is over and it was a giant bust. It’s one thing for our system to protect the conservative minority, or any minority loyal opposition, as it was designed to do by the framers. It’s another thing to have it rigged to ensure the rule of a minority over the majority. That’s what DeLay tried to do in Texas with his illegal redistricting scheme, and what the conservative minority in power now has tried to rig on a larger national scale, and not for the benefit of the dumbass conservatives in the heartland, either. The majority rules in this country. That majority is far more moderate and centrist than those they have put in office and that is obvious to all at this point.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:27 pmSomeone at AIPAC’s been spookin’ Lieberman with images of hiding from storm troopers under the floor in the Ghetto.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:27 pm#19 – Hillary can’t win. If Democrats go soft, they’ll go with Gov. Warner. If they stand on principal, Obama. I liked Feingold until he voted for John Roberts.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:28 pmHillary sucks, but at least she’s on our side, and man will she piss the right wing extremists off. She’s not my first choice, but…, if she can push thru single payer health care, it’s worth it. Lieberman’s political career is over.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:29 pm#21 – agreed. I am scared to hear that Democrats are afraid to use the word abortion. When did the jesus freaks take over this country. It is a full blown theocracy.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:30 pm#24 – Hillary is disliked by more than the right-wing. She simply cannot win. Besides, a senator has not won the presidency since JFK. Warner/Obama.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:31 pm#19 – Hillary can’t win. If Democrats go soft, they’ll go with Gov. Warner. If they stand on principal, Obama. I liked Feingold until he voted for John Roberts.
Comment by Ellie in Texas — December 9, 2005 @ 3:28 pm
You might be right, Ellie. Then again, I’ve always said Bill Clinton was the best Republican preznit we’ve had since Eisenhower. Something tells me Hillie is actually a bit to the left of Willie.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:32 pm#26 As long as skeletons don’t come flying out of his closet, definitely Obama. He has what Kerry lacked – obvious compassion. I would love to see a woman in the White House, but I just don’t connect with Hilary. She’s got that uppity-wealthy-snobby facade even worse than Kerry. And I’m a professional, ultra liberal, kids-free feminist. I should love her, but I just don’t. She’s cold and sometimes seems fake. So I can only imagine what she does to the barefoot pregant submissives who hate strong, smart women.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:38 pm#21 – agreed. I am scared to hear that Democrats are afraid to use the word abortion. When did the jesus freaks take over this country. It is a full blown theocracy.
Comment by Ellie in Texas — December 9, 2005 @ 3:30 pm
It didn’t happen overnight. We have been asleep at the wheel and a few different things converged over time to bring us to this point. Slowly, their power will subside. They have always been a presence in American politics, but not as powerful minority as this ever before. This kind of madness happens every 100 years. The turn of the century end of the worlders. When it’s a millenium, it’s to a factor of ten. There is even a word for it, millenarianism. Throw in a little 9/11 at the turn of the millenium, recipe for disaster. As we advance into the new millenium, it will subside and the turn of the next century will look mild and quaint by comparison.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:40 pm#21 + #29
I recently read that the Fundamental Religious movement arose out of the 1960’s period of Enlightenment, because the jesus freaks felt threathened by free thinkers. And that too, as thependulumswings, the free thinkers will now have enough of the turn-of-the-century religious oppression and fight for our right of freedom FROM religion. We just have to be part of that movement and be vocal about it.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:43 pmReid Takes Lieberman Out To The Woodshed
Good:Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), yesterday on the Bill Press Show: “I’ve spoken to Joe Lieberman and he knows he’s out there alone. I mean, literally alone. Joe is a fine man, he has strong feelings, but he’s just
December 9th, 2005 at 3:44 pm#27 – America needs a fresh start. NO more Clintons and please god no more Bushes. They’re all in this together and I don’t like it. I didn’t like Kerry either, but I voted him because I fear Bush.
I have an innate distrust of all politicians, but will settle for someone who is not a fascist war criminal.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:45 pm#28 – Hillary cannot win on a national ticket. She has a tainted past and she is not even being true to progressive values. AND John Kerry was a clueless moron. He spent the entire campaign running from the war when he should have said what it was – A LIE.
Hopefully, Obama is clean.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:48 pm#33 We REALLY need Obama to be clean. We need someone to be. This is ours to lose if we don’t find a winner in 2008.
And then, we seriously hav eto start on campaign reform. We have to take Corporate America and the money out of it. Free elections. Let’s get true representatives of the majority – people who have a clue about our daily grind. This faux royalty ruining America has got to be dismissed.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:52 pmi thought joe biden was comsidering running?? id like him with obama as vp.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:54 pmEllie,
I think we will need to build this up slowly. First in local political races, (all politics is local) before we see an inhabitant in the White House that we might “approve” of.
John Kerry was a clueless moron.
I wouldn’t be so quick to say that, either. The media in this country is not objective and as far as it having a “liberal bias”… please….
I think many of our perceptions about these people have been shaped by a media controlled by and for the benefit of conservatives. No one is perfect, but to claim that Kerry is more of a “clueless moron” than Bush or that Hillary has more of a “tainted past” than Tom DeLay or any Republican at this point is just ludicrous.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:55 pmi thought joe biden was comsidering running?? id like him with obama as vp.
Comment by meg_mac — December 9, 2005 @ 3:54 pm
Biden is joke. But they are all likable, even McCain is likable. I’m voting for someone we can all hate equally.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:57 pm#37 If you can’t broadly say that Kerry is a moron, then you can’t say that Biden is a joke either. People are all a dichotomy of good and bad. No one is all good or all bad. We just have to find one who is intelligent with common sense and a relatively clean past. If we do that, the middle and moderate right will be on board and their eletronic vote-stealing machines won’t be effective. It’s just a problem of finding someone who wants to be in politics for the right reasons – leadership.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:03 pmJoe Lieberman and Chertoff, both need to go to the country where their loyalties lie. Come to think of it the boat would be a ship and full of Israel loyalists in our present administration….Blessings
December 9th, 2005 at 4:04 pmBiden missed his chance. I wouldn’t look to the senate for presidents anyway (except for Obama).
#36 – I don’t like Kerry. He was too thin-skinned and weak. AND there is a special place in hell for any Democrat who loses the elistist argument to Bushie.
The radical right wing in this country is a nasty lot. We need someone with a progressive vision that isn’t afraid to say it and but can handle the assault on their character that they’ll get from the right.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:23 pm#37 Unbelievable-
Cheney is 100% bad through and through….not a gram of goodness anywhere within 5 feet of him!!!!
December 9th, 2005 at 4:36 pmDid any of you even stop to consider that Lieberman is right? Between his four trips to Iraq he has seen the progress the mainstream media refuses to report on because it would benefit Bush and that is not part of their ‘agenda’. I hope Joe does switch parties, we can always use one more good politician on our side. By the way, at what point did the Republican party request a time-table during WWII from FDR to bring our troops home? Our losses then were staggering compared to now so surely someone must have done it. What, they didn’t? Oh you mean they supported a war-time president? What a concept!
December 9th, 2005 at 4:47 pmhe’s earned the ostracism… I mean, that kiss alone!
December 9th, 2005 at 4:52 pm“Did any of you even stop to consider that Lieberman is right?”
Nope, Lieberman is toeing the republican party lies.
“Between his four trips to Iraq he has seen the progress the mainstream media refuses to report on because it would benefit Bush and that is not part of their ‘agenda’.”
Lieberman should have left the Latte’ Green Zone and saw what was really going on.
“I hope Joe does switch parties, we can always use one more good politician on our side.”
Goodbye and good riddence.
“By the way, at what point did the Republican party request a time-table during WWII from FDR to bring our troops home?”
Never, because that was a real war with International support.
“Our losses then were staggering compared to now so surely someone must have done it.”
Yes, once again, because it was a true World War, not just one large country, of 295 million people, trying to impose it’s will over a tiny country of 24 million people.
“What, they didn’t?”
Nope, see above two answers.
“Oh you mean they supported a war-time president?”
Yes, in fact the whole world support FDR and America coming to the rescue to beat the real Axis forces.
“What a concept!”
Yep, the entire world backing a war is a great concept.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:05 pm#42 – you fail to realize that Bush is the dictator who is invading people’s countries and our military is killing innocent people. We have no business being there. This is an evil war being fought by our evil military and it’s leaders!
December 9th, 2005 at 5:07 pmJoe Lieberman Rules! Al Gore should have made him president.
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“By the way, at what point did the Republican party request a time-table during WWII from FDR to bring our troops home?â€
Actually the republicans tried to block us from entering the war, even after having been attacked by japan.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:55 pm
I’m tired of the right invoking WWII to cover up for the sham in Iraq. We killed thousands of innocent lives in Hiroshima and Nagasaki – we should not be proud of that. We should be hanging our heads in shame.
December 9th, 2005 at 6:05 pmHere in Lieberman’s home state, people are getting fed up with his Bush worship. The Manchester Democratic Town Committee is considering sending a formal letter to his office chastising him. Lowell Weicker is considering running against him (the guy who saved CT from bankruptcy). I commend Joe for having the guts to stand up for his convictions…I just think he’s got f**d up convictions is all…Oh…and Sharon…you better watch it there…don’t you know it’s anti-Semitic to criticize Israel or our leaders ties to her??!? :-)
December 9th, 2005 at 6:16 pmWe need fundamentalists out of our government whether they be Christian or Jewish or any other religion. As we see over and over again, whether it’s Bush or Lieberman (or Bin Laden of course) , fundamentalism makes you blind.
I agree with Joe. And so does my love, Judith. That makes three.
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December 9th, 2005 at 6:39 pmHarry should have bitch slapped Lieberman in the woodshed.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:03 pmGive me a minute with Joe and the little wimp would be bitch slapped like a dog.
#37 If you can’t broadly say that Kerry is a moron, then you can’t say that Biden is a joke either. People are all a dichotomy of good and bad. No one is all good or all bad. We just have to find one who is intelligent with common sense and a relatively clean past. If we do that, the middle and moderate right will be on board and their eletronic vote-stealing machines won’t be effective. It’s just a problem of finding someone who wants to be in politics for the right reasons – leadership.
Comment by unbelievable — December 9, 2005
Calling someone a joke vis a vis there party affiliations, as in Lieberman and Biden being DINOs is completely accurate compared to calling anyone a clueless moron irrespective of party. Bush is a clueless moron. Kerry is a lot of things I don’t like but clueless moron or political joke are not among them. You just watch too much TV news like most Americans.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:07 pmComment by Liberals Hate America — December 9, 2005 @ 4:47 pm
Liberals hate American conservatives, just like you hate American liberals. At least get your name to make sense if your comments are going to continue being inane and pointless. The latest polls suggest most Americans prefer liberals to conservatives. While IRI thinks buying rope futures is a good idea, I’d suggest Kleenex futures and flame resistent building materials for your compounds.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:12 pm#36 – I don’t like Kerry. He was too thin-skinned and weak. AND there is a special place in hell for any Democrat who loses the elistist argument to Bushie.
The radical right wing in this country is a nasty lot. We need someone with a progressive vision that isn’t afraid to say it and but can handle the assault on their character that they’ll get from the right.
Comment by Ellie in Texas — December 9, 2005 @ 4:23 pm
I was quite angry at him during the campaign but you have to understand that the same PR firm running the Sem campaign was running the GOP campaign. There were many people advising him that gave him bad advice. Maybe on purpose, if you get my drift. The success of Dean’s grassroots campaign is what scares the crap out of the powers that be. The DLC is in the pocket of corporate donors and we won’t get the change this country wants as long as that remains the status quo. Corporations run this country and Biden is one of their lackeys. Kerry, Edwards and Kennedy have enough of their own money to not be beholden to them. There is a reason “the media” trains you to dislike them.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:19 pmJoe Lieberman Rules! Al Gore should have made him president.
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Comment by Al Gore — December 9, 2005 @ 5:08 pm
Don’t you just hate it when people ignore your stupid little antics and cries for attention?
December 9th, 2005 at 9:22 pmHow The Republicans Stole Christmas
The Republican Party’s Declared Monopoly on Religion and What Democrats Can Do to Take It Back
“We have allowed the conservative religious right to take our Bible hostage, and I think it’s time we took it back.â€
Bishop V. Gene Robinson
Anglican Diocese of New Hampshire
Publication Date: October 15th
I’m mad as hell. I’ve been a Catholic all my life. I was an altar boy. I went to Catholic high school. I spent ten years in the seminary, studying for the priesthood. I have a degree in sacred theology. Yet some religious conservatives suggest that I can’t even walk into church anymore – without first taking a loyalty oath to the Republican party.
The election of 2004 made it official. With the help of religious conservatives, Republicans have stolen religion. Of course, it’s not just liberal Catholics they stole it from. Liberals, moderates and progressives of all faiths – Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists – are all suddenly out in the cold. Because conservative Christians have taken over the Republican party and have declared a monopoly on religion.
~~Snip~
Actually this is Correct but only to the last sentence, Conservatives, while having for the most part good intentions ,other than the Radicals in every Group. The Conservatives as The Good Rev. Notes Took over, but they were as Equally Misled. Faith is a Funny thing, not hah hah, but Slippery, cant really Grasp it..Faith is a Good thing, yet it can leave those whom have good intentions open to such tom foolery.
The Problem has been Understood by the Independents, yet they were never heard over the Media, and the Anklebiting Neo-Kooks. The WATERS are also very Murky, Crypto Neo-Kook fascists came from Both Democratic and Republican Parties Alike.
The time to blame is Gone, Phhttt, Smoke, Lets FIx this Mess and Leave our KIDS something Better than we inherited..-AJ
December 9th, 2005 at 9:23 pmSo what does 30 peices of silver equate to in political capital?
December 9th, 2005 at 9:28 pmIn any case, the Dark Horse Carter didn’t even come on the scene until the Democratic primaries in 1976. “Carter’s presidency was marked by retrenchment, after the disappointing agony that had been the Vietnam War, and economic stagflation churning at home. He was elected over Republican Gerald Ford, in large part because of the public’s resentment that Ford pardoned Richard Nixon. Even then the election was very close.”
Sound familiar? The point is it’s quite possible we could have a replay of the 1976 campaign with a dark horse Democratic candidate coming from out of nowhere.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:30 pmAnd that means we are too far out to even be considering any of these clowns as viable candidates. You can be sure of one thing, however, whoever might be a threat to the rich and powerful will be made to look weak and evil and crappy to you, the voting public, and the biggest asshole on the planet (chimpy) will be made to look like Jesus and John Wayne all rolled up into one. Sound familiar?
December 9th, 2005 at 9:34 pmThe only candidates anyone will get to vote for will be preselected by TPTB Bilderbergers, Club of Rome, CFR, etc. Did you notice that all the original Democrats in the primaries with the exception of the bottom third tier were setup? Kerry-cousin to Bush and fellow Skull & Boner with Bush(also the one who ultimately limited the damage from Iran-Contra), Wesley Clark- aka the Butcher of Kosovo and the one who coordinated the brilliant response to David Koresh. I could go on but won’t. Hillary Clinton is an abyssmal choice which will present itself. What the heck I think I’ll vote for Schwarznegger since everyone know he will be dictator someday!
December 9th, 2005 at 10:55 pm[...] Lonesome Joe Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), yesterday on the Bill Press Show: “I’ve spoken to Joe Lieberman and he knows he’s out there alone. I mean, literally alone. Joe is a fine man, he has strong feelings, but he’s just alone. Even Republicans don’t agree with Joe.†[...]
December 10th, 2005 at 12:22 amAs regards the opportunistic apostasy of Holy Joe “Don’t Give Up Your Day Job” Lieberman, the American scientist-philosopher C. S. Pierce wrote:
“Where two faiths flourish side by side, renegades are looked upon with contempt even by the party whose beliefs they have adopted.”
I shared that with my Chinese wife who understood immediately. According to her the Chinese say:
“Our enemies we just kill at once, but traitors we torture.”
Or, as Gollum said to Smeagol: “You don’t have any friends, Joe. Nobody likes you.”
December 10th, 2005 at 6:45 am#52 Ah, no. I don’t own a t.v. I get my news from the internet, including international news, and buzzflash. I speak two other languages as well, and speak with friends in other countries about global issues.
What I was trying to point out is that you jumped on someone for being judgmental and then were judgmental yourself. You were then judging my television habits based on a couple of postings without even knowing me. We progressives should not attack one another like that, we need unity and respect right now. We also need to be more accepting that we each have differing opinions and a right to have them. That is what we stand for as liberals – the right to have our own beliefs and be respected for them. Blie has as much of a right to call Kerry a moron as you have to call Biden a joke as I have to disagree with both of you that any one can be labeled that simply with a single adjective. But, I think we will all agree that sematics is not the issue we should be focusing on here. We should figure out who we have that would be a good leader and can win in 2008. And I think we do agree about that.
December 10th, 2005 at 7:35 am#41 Sorry, I have to disagree. I hate the man. I think he has helped destroy this country on so many levels he deserves consequences of equal caliber. But he’s not 100% anything, including bad. But he is very ignorant. And it’s that ignorance that is dangerous. We as liberals need to be doing more to educate ourselves and the country about the dangers of nothing but ignorant rich white men running a country of middle class diverse people in a world filled with diversity and suffering. Cheney does not know what it is like to worry about losing his job, not having enough to eat, not being able to feed his child. And because he does not know, he cannot be a sympathetic or effective leader. He does not belong in the White House. But maybe it’s time for people like Barrack Obama and John Edwards? They aren’t 100% anything, but at this point, after this administration, most of us would be happy with a 60-40 good to bad ratio… Though I do think we can do better.
December 10th, 2005 at 7:42 am#63- The perfect guy for dems is Hillary…uh…girl for dems. She’s smart, abrasive and knows how to steal WH cutlery….She’s perfect
December 10th, 2005 at 8:19 am#65 Hillary is a female Kerry and we already know how that turned out.
Personally, right now, I like Obama and Edwards. Though a lot of people didn’t like Kerry, many people, including some conservatives really liked Edwards. In 2004 he represented intelligence, common sense, and integrity – and as a result I know people who voted not for Kerry but for Edwards being the incumbent V.P. to beat down the road. And Obama. What’s there not to like there?
December 10th, 2005 at 8:43 am#54, I couldn;t agree more. We are strongly misled by the media. It’s why I gave up television. My mother watches the local FOX affiliate. Pure propaganda for Corporate America and the Republican Party they own via campaign contributions. And she believes it with all the blind faith of a life long GOP member. But even she is sick of the neo-cons, and is hoping for a strong Democrat. Someone who has only ever voted Republican is looking for Democratic leadership… I hope we deliver.
December 10th, 2005 at 8:51 am#60 That’s why we need Election Reform. Free the vote – by making it free for people to run for office. Gore Vidal advocates this strongly, and we know how he’s connected to all of this.
Free the Vote!
December 10th, 2005 at 8:55 amIn Illinois, so far, there have been no skeletons found in Barack Obama’s closet. He is smart, charismatic, and compassionate, thoughtful and practical. Smart and pretty wife, adorable kids. I just bought his autobiography , Dreams from My Father.”
December 10th, 2005 at 11:52 am#65 is classic. While Bush illegally invades a sovereign nation, resulting in the loss of over 2,100 US lives and over 100,000 Iraqis and conservative lobbiests like Abramoff and their collegues in office rob the public of billions of dollars, the right condems democratic leadership over cutlery and blowjobs. Matters of life and death elude the right’s comprehension unless reduced to some theoretical debate over when life begins and who should chose to end it in the case of pregnancy . . . Similarly the right is incapable of distigushing between matters of the public trust versus the morality of one’s private life. Steal millions from the treasury; is that wrong, asked the right? Steal some silverware and they want to appoint a special prosecuter and convene a grand jury. Lie about having sex with an intern and you deserve impeachment, but lie in the state of the union to trick the country into war and you deserve another four years as commander in chief! The family values of the right inhere in concepts like anti flag burning amendments, marriage amendments and similarly symbolic gestures having more to do with their insecure idenitities as patriots with no concern for the practical effects of their beliefs or politics. It’s as though they think that if they appear righteous then they are in fact so. Hence the rampant hypocrisy and corruption. They’ve been smoking too much of their own dope! I’ll give Lieberman the benefit of the doubt for being sincere, which is an irrelevant concession on such a huge issue as is Iraq. Lieberman is dead wrong which is why he is so alone. That he was out of touch with America shouldn’t be any mystery given his pathetic performance in last election’s Democratic primaries. He was wrong then and ever more wrong now. If he accepts a position in the Bush cabinet he will seal his political demise.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:12 pmEven Republicans don’t agree with Joe.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! You guys crack me up.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:28 pmI have just finished William Manchester’s The Glory and the Dream: A Narative History of America(Little Brown , NY, 1974)1932-1972. It’s my second read of that two volume set. The consciousness of fear and lack among a certain class of opportunists politicians and their “ditto head” constituency is a deep theme in American politics. The losss of good minds and men of ability to that wing of fear and lack is well documanted not just in the period of Manchesters narrative but it is also found going back to radical quislings like Burr and Arnold. I have read and re-read Liberman’s printed statements and interview transcripts looking for a clue to his present position. While he has not quite endorsed radical stances in his statements, he has alway seemed to have been able to reinterpret and restate needs and outcomes to serve agreater good. He has added or stricken strident language from positions and legistlation under consideration to achieve euitable ends. That has been a common theme for much of our top leadership since the beginning of the FDR years. Any one from the middle right of our political spectrum is alway subject to falling under the spell of the radical right. He is not the first Democrat or Republican to cross the party line to serve a president in the cabinet. In this case, Lieberman will only serve as a foil for the maniacal agenda that is of the Bush kind. A move by Lieberman to serve this admistration may save a couple of Republican seats in the 2006 elections but for all practical purposes the turnout for that election year signal that the administration is out of bounds and the play clock is in very low digits.
Don’t do it Joe.
LB
December 17th, 2005 at 4:38 pm