The Congressional No-Fly List
The Congressional No-Fly List
There are now 80,000 names on the U.S. government’s secret terror (”no-fly”) watchlist, according to a new report. Before 9/11, just 16 names were on the list, and by the end of the year the number jumped to 1,000. By 2002, the list had 40,000 names.
But the list hasn’t been used to just stop terrorists. Some of the names on that list belong to U.S. lawmakers:
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA), 2004:
U.S. Sen. Edward M. “Ted” Kennedy said yesterday that he was stopped and questioned at airports on the East Coast five times in March because his name appeared on the government’s secret “no-fly” list. [Federal air security officials] acknowledged being embarrassed that it took the senator and his staff more than three weeks to get his name removed.
Rep. John D. Lewis (D-GA), 2004:
Rep. John Lewis, D - Georgia, a nine-term congressman famous for his civil rights work with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., has been stopped 35 to 40 times over the past year, his office said…Lewis contacted the Department of Transportation, the Department of Homeland Security and executives at various airlines in a so-far fruitless effort to get his name off the list, said spokeswoman Brenda Jones.
Rep. Don Young (R-AK), 2004:
Rep. Donald E. Young (R-Alaska), said he was flagged on the “watch list” when the airline computer system mistook him for a man on the list named Donald Lee Young.
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More people die from strep than are killed by terrorists.
We have become a nation of cowards, let by people who like us that way.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:45 pmMore people die from alcohol related accidents every year than died in Vietnam. That's still legal.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:54 pmWTF? Has the list been used to stop ANY terrorists? Seems like mostly anti-war activists, and now members of Congress.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:58 pmThe begining of the end "BIG BROTHER" is upon us.
December 9th, 2005 at 1:59 pmEveryday, we get closer to a totalitarian state.
Since the terrorists hate our freedoms so much, I guess this administration wants to make the terrorists feel better by taking our freedoms away.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:00 pmI have surprisingly continued flights and have never been placed on the "no fly" list.
-Bomby McTerrorist
December 9th, 2005 at 2:01 pmIf there are 80,000 names on the list AND it's secret, how is anyone supposed to keep track of it?
Putting Sen Kennedy, Rep Lewis & Rep Young on the list is just vindictive and a poor use oof the list, although I wouldn't want to be on any flight with Rep Young, he's little off.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:01 pmDoes anybody know if the Nazi's had a "list"?
I'm gonna go look.
P.S. Sorry for the Nazi reference, but I calls 'em likes I sees 'em.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:02 pmI wasn't aware we had so many terrorists.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:04 pmImagine yourself an aiport screener ... does anyone not know who Ted Kennedy is? I'd be like, what the heck is this ...
"Look, Mr. Kennedy, I know you've been in Congress for like 50 years, and I know your family is the closest we have to royalty over here, but I'm gonna have to ask you to step out of line and submit to this cavity search".
Unbelievable ...
December 9th, 2005 at 2:06 pmSpudge
I'm sure they had a list ... I don't know if I'd equate the two just yet though.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:07 pmBomby McTerrorist ... classic
"Right this way Mr. McTerrorist ... will you be needing a pillow?"
December 9th, 2005 at 2:08 pmBut why would Don Young need to fly when he can get enough money to build a bridge from Alaska to DC?
December 9th, 2005 at 2:09 pmWhat was all that about Hitler and Nazis or Stalin and totalitarianism? It can't happen here, right?
December 9th, 2005 at 2:18 pmAnd you see a problem with Ted Kennedy and John Lewis being placed on a "no fly" list?? Authorities just want to make sure they can shift the weight of other passengers and luggage to accommodate the girth of the war protestor and senior Senator from Massachusetts as well as the esteemed civil rights leader from Georgia.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:22 pmThe Administration is too busy sending troops to slaughter innocent life in Iraq to worry about terrorism. The theocratic right has sold this country short in the name of oil.
#10 - Ted Kennedy is NOT royalty. He's a washed up has-been that needs to retire. He should take his thoughtless sidekick John Kerry with him. The Democratic Party needs a makeover if we want level playing field against the criminal right wing.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:25 pm[...] and I’m one of them. No, really. There are some notable other mistakes on that list as well, including Ted Kennedy. A watchlist of possible terror suspects distributed by the US government to airlines for pre-flight checks is now 80,000 names long, a Swedish newspaper reported, citing European air industry sources. [...]
December 9th, 2005 at 2:31 pmAphrodite... lets not argue politics by throwing weight problems into the mix. We can always bring up the King of Fat Idiots.... Rush Limbaugh.
Cheers
I picture you as a little Mcfatty to Aphrodite
December 9th, 2005 at 2:34 pm#11
Yet.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:36 pmThe problem is not with the list specifically (well that's not likely true, but let's just assume it for the sake of my point), but the way the airlines try to match names. There are various ways to do so, one of which is, I believe, by removing all the vowels. Thus Ted Kennedy is Td Knndy, which may also match a name on the list. So he gets caught up because someon else's name is on the list. Also, there very well may be a "Ted Kennedy" on the list, just not that Ted Kennedy.
But 80,000, my god.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:37 pmWell ... at least we all know that the Department of Copious List Building is up and running.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:40 pmMcCarthy had a list.
O'Reilly has a list.
St. Peter has a list, and O'Reilly and McCarthy are not on it.
December 9th, 2005 at 2:46 pmIf they have cloned people (which they probable have in truly free countries like Norway and the Netherlands), I think it's time to exhume some DNA from Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and Tom Paine. We need a new Revolution against King George and his tyranny of Taxation without Representation.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:03 pmDear "Good Vibes & Birkenstocks" - Hey if Rush is on the list, I'd want to know where he was placed, too. Maybe we could get Rush to balance out Ted "the Swimmer" - but hasn't Rush lost a ton - literally? Sorry to disppoint ("I picture you as a little Mcfatty to Aphrodite") but I'm out the door by 5:30 am for a good run most mornings. That's "in the morning" for sleepy time libs.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:05 pm#22
Santa Claus has a list also. I think when he checks it a second time the Bush administration is getting coal in their stocking.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:25 pmHey, let's all think about this for a minute. The folks on the left seem to suggest that 80,000 is a very high number. Yet they also argue that most people in Iraq don't want the U.S. to be there. Furthermore, the folks on the left seem to think that we're planning to attack Iran and Syria. Based upon the total population of those three countries alone, is it really outrageous to believe that we need to be watching out for 80,000 people?
On an unrelated subject, are you training for any specific race? (just curious, I know it's not relevant to the thread)
December 9th, 2005 at 3:30 pm#25
Damn, the energy industry has gotten to Santa too? ;)
December 9th, 2005 at 3:34 pmDeke #26,
80,000 isn't outrageous by itself. It's that a lot of names on that list probably don't belong there, such as the three lawmakers we listed.
On your second question...what do you mean by "race"?
December 9th, 2005 at 3:38 pmGreetings, Amanda. I don't think 80,000 is outrageous, either. If there are only 3 mistakes out of 80,000 then that's pretty impressive (my guess is that there are probably more!)
As for "race", I meant marathon, triathlon, 10k, etc. What did you think I meant?
December 9th, 2005 at 3:43 pmAny posting by Mighty Aphrodite and his/her/its "witticisms" is against the polices of this website, yes? Insults such as "sleepy time libs" and "mcfatty" have no place here. It has also been determined in the past that this poster is a KKK sympathizer, if not an outright member of the KKK. That sort has no business issuing an opinion on anything and certainly not posting on a site that seeks to improve America with a positive dialogue on the state of our nation.
December 9th, 2005 at 3:55 pmBusted, I think you may have missed some of the thread. Mighty Aphrodite was envisioned as a "McFatty" by Goodvibes.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:00 pmNow we know why Mr. Young needed the bridge (to nowhere)..........
December 9th, 2005 at 4:06 pmIf you consider the guy they blew away a couple days ago in Florida, no I don't feel any safer. Afterwards the federal marshalls said they were going "by the book". I guess killing someone who doesn't act normal or as expected is okay. Isn't it wonderful living in a country where everybody is scared to death of each other and killing someone who hasn't taken their meds is okay?
December 9th, 2005 at 4:07 pmThe Democratic Party needs a makeover if we want level playing field against the criminal right wing.
Comment by Ellie in Texas
Damn...a Democrat that's starting to get it. This could be bad for the Republicans if this becomes a trend. See there, you're only in Texas a little while and we're starting to rub off. Get out of Austin and you might just grow up to be a good woman.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:09 pmIsn’t it wonderful living in a country where everybody is scared to death of each other and killing someone who hasn’t taken their meds is okay?
Comment by Willy
It's not OK and I'm not scared of anything except that wand they want to shove up my butt every time I try and get on a plane. How about a little racial profiling? Maybe then these sky marshals and bathroom attendant turned security people wouldn't be so nervous and I could fly without a rectal exam. How about Libs? How about a little racial profiling?
December 9th, 2005 at 4:15 pmPS....I think it's funny as all get out that the Swimmer is on the no fly list. Now if they'd only take away his drivers license like they do any other compulsive drunk we'd all be just a little safer.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:17 pm#34 - get bent. Democrats are losing because they are trying too much to be like the repugnant party. Vile creatures like yourself who support murder as a means to peace make me sick.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:31 pm#27
I was thinking the same thing when I posted it. just hit post before thinking of something snarky.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:36 pmPomeroy to Howard Dean:Shut up
By MARY CLARE JALONICK
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - North Dakota Rep. Earl Pomeroy is accusing Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean of overstepping his bounds, saying the former presidential candidate should not give up on the war in Iraq.
On Monday, Dean likened the war in Iraq to Vietnam and said, "The idea that the United States is going to win the war in Iraq is just plain wrong."
"My words to Howard Dean are simple - shut up," Pomeroy told WDAY Radio in North Dakota on Thursday.
Pomeroy later told the Associated Press that he is tired "of the overblown rhetoric on both sides."
"We have young men and women with their lives on the line," he added. "The debate has fallen far short of what they deserve."
Pomeroy said Dean wasn't representing Democrats like him when he discussed the war.
http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2005/12/09/news/state/106702.prt
The ship is sinking....I see rats....swimming....heheheheh
December 9th, 2005 at 4:50 pm"And you see a problem with Ted Kennedy and John Lewis being placed on a “no fly†list?? Authorities just want to make sure they can shift the weight of other passengers and luggage to accommodate the girth of the war protestor and senior Senator from Massachusetts as well as the esteemed civil rights leader from Georgia. "
You have no idea what you're talking about concerning John Lewis. He is supported by Democrats and Republicans in my district (#5 GA). For example, I went to a discussion meeting in Sandy Springs. Eva Galambos (R), before being elected of Sandy Springs, was fully supportive of JL at the meeting. Is our security a joke to you? Why waste resources on this if it is not serving a purpose?
December 9th, 2005 at 4:51 pmIRI, it's called projection. You know the republicans are in trouble, don't you?
December 9th, 2005 at 5:27 pmHoward Dean is just saying what everyone else already knows. Bush and his criminal military need to pull out of Iraq ASAP! I-Righty - don't quote some fly-over foot soldier for Bush when trying to make a point. He doesn't speak for progressives and apparently not the American people.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:35 pm"I see rats….swimming….heheheheh
Comment by I-RIGHT-I "
You shouldn't keep a mirror so close to your bathtub - it must be a shocking sight! :()
December 9th, 2005 at 5:57 pmWhat's really perverted about the republican reichwing fascists is that they put PEACE ACTIVISTS in terror files and no fly lists! It's obscene, irrational and just plain unamerican. But what republican acts these days don't fit all of those descriptions!
December 9th, 2005 at 6:11 pm#44 - the GOP wraps themselves in the flag and the criminal military to gain political advantage. They use murder to advance a new world order that would make Adolf proud.
I am so disgusted by people like I-Right. I just don't get what they are seeing. Our country is falling apart, our soldiers have brought fear and terror to the middle east and all these zealots care about is cutting taxes.
December 9th, 2005 at 6:16 pm#30 - My Dear Busted - I hope your name is not derived from a legal entanglement. Unfortunately, several unscrupulous individuals participate on this site - along with trying to like me and several other conservatives to a KKK website, these same pitiful, ill individuals tried to link Ann Coulter to a white supremicist site. Having a Jewish mother, I have UTTER contempt for the KKK and other vicious, vile groups. Instead of trying to ban opposing views. why not:
a.) scroll through them quickly - don't read them!!
b.) read them, learn something new, argue vociferously!
BTW, You sound just like RyANNe's Mom.....
December 9th, 2005 at 6:39 pmBusted - correction line three above - Should read "link" not "like" - I know better!! HA!
December 9th, 2005 at 7:06 pmI-Righty - don’t quote some fly-over foot soldier for Bush when trying to make a point. He doesn’t speak for progressives and apparently not the American people.
Comment by Ellie in Texas
"Fly-over"...how dare you, you left coast Texas transplant! Hey baby...it's flyover country that elects the Presidents....What do you mean he doesn't speak for progressives? He's a Donk ain't he? He seems to think that the idiot EEEEEEWWWWWWAAAAAAAWWWWWWIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOWWWWW Dean doesn't speak for him or his constituency. I'd say the guy is right. Except in Californicate and Jew York there's going to be a lot of sad faced Donks come the next election. You can thank the Donk leadership...if that's what you want to call them.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:47 pmMightyHermaphrodite,
And you sound like MizzWrong's dad, what's your point there tranny with the big ugly fanny?
December 9th, 2005 at 10:11 pmHey MightyHermaphrodite, did you notice that MizzWrong called new york "Jew York"? Wow, and he claims to not be anti-semitic, I guess your acceptance of psychotic anti-semitic nazis must make your family proud. Oh wait, didn't some of them die at the hands of people that sounded remarkably similar to MizzWrong?
FYI MizzWrong, California has a lower divorce rate than Texas, guess 'fornication' is a 'flyover' trait more than you care to recognize :()
December 9th, 2005 at 10:15 pmBet Im on that List, A KOOK, where I used to Work, would be the Cause of such monetary dubiosity;
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December 9th, 2005 at 10:51 pmDean doesn’t speak for him or his constituency. I’d say the guy is right. Except in Californicate and Jew York there’s going to be a lot of sad faced Donks come the next election. You can thank the Donk leadership…if that’s what you want to call them.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 9, 2005 @ 7:47 pm
I guess the MORE you accuse others of your types of Behavior, must make you feel better.
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Trolls like IRRItant and assfrodity will be with us when most of this crop of conservaturds is in prison waiting to be pardoned. They really think slavery was a good idea in the Marianas and the rest of the U.S. They are lunatics and fools. These people should really get their own country. Greenland. It would be safer for them because while using violence to stop abortion is not morally or even legally acceptable, it is acceptable to use violence to stop slavery, ever since the Civil War, Lincoln and Thoreau.
The Theory, Practice, and Influence of Thoreau's Civil Disobedience
They so much want it to be, but it never will. Slavery and/or war crimes OTOH...
I hope you like Greenland. When will you be leaving? Hopefully before we deport you and banish you.
December 10th, 2005 at 8:15 amI put myself on my own no fly list.
I would not fly on an commercial jet for all the money in the world.
And it's not the terrorists that I am afraid of. It's those two bit burger king throwbacks they have working at TSA screening people, and the trigger happy jump at a shadow air marshalls.
I feel much safer driving myself, and I can honestly say I will most likely never fly again. I even quit a 6 figure position at a firm I had been with for years, just because they required me to fly occasionally.
I am doing my part to help the airlines go bankrupt.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:16 pm#50 - I seem to remember that paragon of morality and virtue (and former Presidential Marriage Counselor) the "REVEREND" Jesse Jackson, calling New York "Hymie Town". As you study your keyboard carefully, note the location of the 'J' and 'N'.
December 10th, 2005 at 8:08 pm#50 - I seem to remember that paragon of morality and virtue (and former Presidential Marriage Counselor) the “REVEREND†Jesse Jackson, calling New York “Hymie Townâ€. As you study your keyboard carefully, note the location of the ‘J’ and ‘N’.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Yes he did but as you well know only whites can be racist as it's impossible for the victims of racism to be racist.
As a WASP male it's impossible for me to be racist because as you know white Christian males are under attack by haters and bigots of many stripes. Quite a number of the racist and bigoted attackers just happen to be New York Jews. Hey, if it works for Jessie it can work for me. Besides, racial humor is fun and healthy. The stifling of racial humor is un-American as it divides instead of unites.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:33 pmRyANNe - re: California divorce rates. One doesn't need to bother with divorce if one hasn't bothered to get married. I think that's how we have so many poor, unfortunate, illegimate parents - all that fornicating. As usual, you seem to mix apples and oranges while claiming excellent debating skills. The book "Introduction to Logic" by Patrick Suppes, is an entry level philosophy book which might assist you.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:13 pmAs you study your keyboard carefully, note the location of the ‘J’ and ‘N’.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
I just read this again and want to say I'm sorry if you took my statement as some kind of anti-Jewish sentiment. It really isn't. None of my best friends are Jews but I think that's because I haven't had the opportunity to meet any Jewish believers. I mean believers in g*d, not necessarily Jewish converts to Christianity. I don't know why that is either. Where are they? I think maybe it's my profession. For whatever reason there aren't too many Jewish engineers...that believe. In any case sorry again that I made myself look like an insensitive fringe loon Neo-Nazi.
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