Rumsfeld: Too Incompetent For Bush to Fire
Rumsfeld: Too Incompetent For Bush to Fire
Reporters Tom DeFrank and Dana Milbank were on MSNBC last night discussing the Rumsfeld resignation rumors. (On Thursday, DeFrank reported in the New York Daily News that “White House officials are telling associates they expect Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to quit early next year.”)
They both said that Rumsfeld would have been fired long ago if things hadn’t been going so poorly in Iraq. Firing Rumsfeld now would simply be too embarrassing for the administration. It’s the key to Rumsfeld’s success: he’s so incompetent, it’s impossible to let him go –
DeFrank:
MATTHEWS: Is Rumsfeld in trouble?
DEFRANK: Well, I think he’s in trouble, but I think he’s been in trouble for well over a year.
MATTHEWS: With the president?
DEFRANK: Yes, but the president as we all know, is a very loyal guy. With rare exceptions, he doesn’t like to get rid of people when they’re under duress. And I think had Rumsfeld not been under such criticism a year or so ago, if the Abu Ghraib prison scandal had not broken, I think Rumsfeld would have been gone long ago. But I think now it appears that he’s on the glide path waiting for a graceful retirement after the first of the year.
Dana Milbank:
MATTHEWS: Is anybody taking responsibility for saying we would be greeted as liberators?
MILBANK: No. The vice president certainly hasn’t. That’s not what anybody is doing. What is happening here is they’re hoping for an improvement, an uptick, in Iraq. That’s the sort of thing that could allow Rumsfeld to get out gracefully.
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By all means, let's keep the incompetent fool. After all, his duress is worth more than the 2100+ lost.
December 9th, 2005 at 4:56 pm"Too incompetent to fire." Wasn't that Bush's campaign theme in 2004?
Worked for him.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:02 pmbush has often supported loyalty over competance. It is shown over and over again, Brow, meiers etc.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:02 pmWho is Tom DeFrank and Dana Milbank? Rumsfeld I've heard of but not these two. Slow news day? Let me help....
The DRUDGE REPORT has learned from a top GOP operative that the Republican National Committee will provide state parties with a web video prior to release tomorrow afternoon that shows a white flag waving over images of Democrat leaders making anti-war remarks.
[VIDEO FEED]
The ad is in response to the controversial comments Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean and 2004 Democratic Presidential nominee John Kerry made earlier in the week.
A Democratic strategist who had the web ad described to her said, “This is way over the top but we have no one to blame but Dean, Kerry and others who continue to pander to the anti-war activists within our party.â€
The web video advances the Republican contention that the Democrats only have a “retreat and defeat†message on the war in Iraq.
The video highlights the effect Democrats can have on the morale of U.S. soldiers.
One Republican strategist familiar with the ad said, “The Democrats, especially Howard Dean have a way of trying to turn the tables and say ‘that’s not what I meant’ – its just those ‘evil Republicans’ This video will make them crazy – it reinforces what they really believe with what they actually said – and that is devastating for the Democratic Party.â€
Developing...
All they need to do to sweeten this up is put Dean in one of those little French "Kepi" hats. Hahahahahaaaa...
December 9th, 2005 at 5:03 pmAl Gore has a blistering attack on Rummy on his blog...
http://www.algorelabs.com
December 9th, 2005 at 5:07 pmhttp://www.algorelabs.com
thanks for running off track there IRI typical of the right wing. again to stay on track, rumsfeld is incompotent, wolfowitz is incompotent, so was micheal brown etc, however instead of trying to install compotent leaders, Bush continues to value thier loyalty while our troops die, our treasury is plundered, and our country sold to the chinese.
I am so happy that all of you red blooded americans are okay with losing all of your rights as long as we fight the terrists.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:12 pmBush is still paying for good news.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10399472/
December 9th, 2005 at 5:20 pm
I-R-Is making a bid for the job with his posts by
(1) showing unswerving loyalty to the Chimp and his Organgrinders - posts that hark back to the good old days of Prescott Bush and his Nazi friends
(2) demonstrating his incompetence at debating the facts or even recognizing the facts with his posts
Forget weeping Joe, hire I-R-I, we'll be in Tehran and Damascus in a month.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:21 pmRe: the Republican white flag ad, it seems the Democratic leadership would be better served if it stopped worrying how the Kookaid crowd reacts and start connecting with its middle America base. To say that there is no defition of Victory in Bush's Iraq war is to state the truth. Start a mirror campaign showing GOP chickenhawks support for turning the troups into cannon fodder. Get on the offensive for once for crying out loud.
Trident
December 9th, 2005 at 5:21 pmRUMSFELD AKA HERMANN GOERING
December 9th, 2005 at 5:22 pmSingle mother called back to active duty in Iraq. Selling house because she can't afford it on military salary; trying to find someone to watch her 13-year-old son.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:23 pmhttp://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lisold1208,0,5515557.story
Need a Powerbase.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:26 pmWe can plainly see how competent the Republicans are in a war. Witness our incredible success in Iraq.
After almost three years of military intervention, Iraq is a rousing success. A full-fledged secular democracy has been established, and the Iraqi Security Forces, under American supervision, have taken up the bulk of anti-insurgent combat. Basic services have been completely restored, at better levels than under the Hussein regime. American soldiers mingle with a grateful Iraqi populace in the streets, eating in restaurants, sharing jokes with Iraqi girls now free of the hijab, soldiers stopped only occasionally by a child handing the soldier a piece of candy, and whispering "thank you".
Army enlistment is up more than ever, and the United States Army has to turn away recruits, ensuring that only the best and the brightest end up in Iraq. For this incredible success, we can only say, "Thank you, Donald Rumsfeld".
December 9th, 2005 at 5:32 pmI believe this concept has been around for years. It is called the "Peter Principle." The premise is that all employees in a bureaucracy are continually promoted until they reach the level of their incompetency. The end result is that any bureaucracy, over time, will be staffed with incompetents at all levels. Nothing could be truer of the Bush Administration.
Dr. Peter (Laurence J.,Google "The Peter Principle") would be proud!
December 9th, 2005 at 5:33 pmmaybe rumsfeld can get the medal of honor?
December 9th, 2005 at 5:34 pmIt's the Peter Principle in action.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:35 pmIn a hierarchically structured administration, people tend to be promoted up to their "level of incompetence".
Sorry Clyde, I read the thread and quickly posted what came immediately to mind -- I see that you were a few minutes earlier.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:36 pmWe probably both read the book years ago -- it still applies doesn't it. Particularly with GWB. He is also a prime example.
There's plenty of "upticks" in Iraq.
Unfortunately, they always kill some of our guys.
Poor Rummy, needs a glide path to get out. How about the sea of coffins of our men?
December 9th, 2005 at 5:36 pmWho in the hell are you jokers. there in no good news coming out of iraq or afganistan!
December 9th, 2005 at 5:38 pmredcross is way too slow and too late.
Red Cross renews demand to see all detainees
U.S. confirms that it hasn't allowed access to all terror suspects
Updated: 1:05 p.m. ET Dec. 9, 2005
December 9th, 2005 at 5:39 pmAmericans have always been ungrateful to the people who have served them best. And Tom Defrank's comments are nothing short of shocking.
Still, there will always be a place for men like Donald Rumsfeld in this world. If the job of Secretary of Defense becomes troublesome, he could always go to Iraq and offer to help the Iraqi people. I'm sure a man like Rumsfeld be welcomed with open arms by the free society of Iraqis which he helped create.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:40 pmIt's always fun to see chickenhawk cowards like MizzWrong attempt to insult the 'masculinity' of those he doesn't agree with. It's typical of a homophobic closet case with 'anxious masculinity' issues. What's wrong with 'feminine' things MizzWrong? Your 'fear' of them explains why you're divorced, and so obviously unhappy and dissatisfied. You're one sick and twisted little retarded pervert.
No wonder you're a republican, clearly you're at home :()
December 9th, 2005 at 5:44 pmanyone notice that Rice's comments were parsed carefully?
we don't torture prisoners of war, however legally the bush admin does not label insurgents and others caught up in the terror war as POW's.
thus while she was telling the truth, she was still lying.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:45 pmMarie,
No apologies necessary--it is good to have ones thoughts confirmed. I used the principle as a bench mark for over twenty-five years as a bureaucrat just to be sure I didn't fall into the trap. You are indeed correct about DUHbya. I have a list of his "accomplishments" on my page for those who have not seen it. Just click on Clyde and scroll down to the Presidential Trivia Quiz.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:45 pmRumsfeld literally should have been forced out years ago. After all, Rummy failed the Les Aspin test.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:47 pm
#24
My goof! I had Grandma's page up.
Please try again. Just click on Clyde.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:48 pmYeah, Bush is a loyal guy. But where's his loyalty to our troops? Don't they deserve a little loyalty from their commander-in-chief when he knows his Defense secretary is incompetent in his management of the war.
December 9th, 2005 at 5:49 pmTigris,
Bush is trying to make sure all of the soldiers die a 'hero's death', so they won't have to face the indignities of VA that doesn't care for them, or a retirement that doesn't support them. It's the 'leave no soldier behind' strategy of ensuring that all soldiers are killed honorably.
December 9th, 2005 at 6:07 pmBush World
December 9th, 2005 at 6:09 pmIncompetence=Job security & medals
Competence=Reason for firing
Rumsfeld’s Epiphany
December 6, 2005
Rumsfeld usually spit out bromides for his excuses for failures but since last Wednesday Rumsfeld been choking back on some. In “Rumsfeld calls for clear rules on U.S. troops lacing Iraq torture†by the Washington Post describes Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is ready to flail about in a fog of his own making called the Iraq war. Last Wednesday (Nov. 30), Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace, publicly contradict Rumsfeld’s allowing U.S. backed Iraq forces to torture Sunnis and others with impunity. Now Rumsfeld ordered military commanders to come up with rules in what should our troops do when they witness the mistreatment of detainees. This is typical of Rumsfeld: it’s his job to come up with that answer. That’s what he’s paid for. Apparently, passing the buck is the only technique he had perfected as Secretary of Defense and then have the consequences of it dumped on our troops in the battlefield. Thus it’s no surprise that Rumsfeld hasn’t opposed the campaign of torture and murder against the Sunnis by the U.S. trained Shiite militia. Again, the consequence of failure isn’t in Rumsfeld’s universe, but the price of war is ours.
December 9th, 2005 at 6:24 pmI just read that newsday story you posted sarcasm-impaired ASSOCIATION, the one about the single mom called back up to active duty.
UNFREAKINBELIEVEABLE.
I mean, she has to sell her house? Give her kids to someone to watch? She wasn't even active! She was in her 40's, living her life and then all of a sudden, "hey, your going to Iraq! Pack your bags!"
UNFREAKINBELIEVEABLE
Send that sonofabitch rumsfuk over there, and let him do it.
God I hate that SMUG, ARROGANT SON OF A BITCH.
December 9th, 2005 at 6:38 pmGood point, Ryan Neat. And, of course, since he spent so much of his own service time on the lam, he doesn't realize that a real soldier doesn't have to die to be a hero.
December 9th, 2005 at 6:55 pmWorfeus - I read the article, too. Maybe Ms. Arndt should have NEVER taken the $$$ for reserve duty. What did she think?/ That the $$ was a Democratic sponsored entitlement program for "single-mom's-who-make-a-great-living"? Maybe is she'd married her son's sperm donor, HE could watch THEIR son?? What a ridiculous idea!!!!!
December 9th, 2005 at 7:19 pmWell. He need's 'em PNAC guys.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:27 pmSingle mother called back to active duty in Iraq. Selling house because she can’t afford it on military salary; trying to find someone to watch her 13-year-old son."
December 9th, 2005 at 7:38 pmOh my god that's just sad.
WORFEUS,
You think that's bad?
Check this out.
CBS News
December 9th, 2005 at 7:41 pmNovember 11, 2005
Solider, 71, Called Back To Active Duty
Shame to you MA. I had thought, perhaps you were just another miss guided radical right winger. Now I see you, like the people you follow have a black heart. Shame to you just like the shame this black hearted administration has brought to our country...Blessed are the peace makers.....Go over there and fight and drag the chicken shit's you vote for along with you.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:45 pmIRI is s consummate moron. Again, he's probably too busy having conjugal relations with someone he met at his family reunion to try and get that feeble muscle called a brain to operate. Gee, I wonder if the soldiers not having enough armor out in the field so that Cheney can get a tax cut on his oil stock dividends lowers thier morale at all? Its REALLY amazing how these guys constantly complain that freedom of speech is hurting the troops, but seem to think that the soldiers are greatly cheered up by the people who put american flags on thier SUV while being too stingy to give soldiers the equipment they need to survive.
Left winger: "Soldiers, we want you home alive."
Right winger: "Soldiers, we want you to stay in iraq with shitty equipment, till you die, so the iranian mullah's can turn iraq into a vibrant islamic theocracy without spilling much of thier own blood"
Whose the one hurting morale more?
December 9th, 2005 at 8:22 pmThere...there...Sharon...How silly of me to think that if she signed up for the job, collected the $$$$, she might expect a call from "the bosses"??? Maybe if she'd used the birth control pills to wedge BETWEEN her knees, they might have been a tad more effective. I'll give her credit for having a business - what was the Reserve $$$ for? A cushion?? Don't take my word - Read the article - it's hard to muster any sympathy for this gal.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:29 pmI know, Sharon - YOU could babysit her son!!! Think of how you could actually contribute to the war effort and not just post your sweet musings.... Blessings from Black Heart
P.S. The Beatitude says "Blessed are the Peacemakers..."
December 9th, 2005 at 8:34 pmIt does not say, "Blessed are the Pacifists...."
I know, Sharon - YOU could babysit her son!!! Think of how you could actually contribute to the war effort and not just post your sweet musings.... Blessings from Black Heart
P.S. The Beatitude says "Blessed are the Peacemakers..."
December 9th, 2005 at 8:34 pmIt does not say, "Blessed are the Pacifists...."
And we all know that a Peacemaker is a six shooter. So, Jesus meant we shoot all meet up at high noon and find out who is the fastest draw.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:52 pmMan Aphrodite,
Your so cold I'm gettin chilly over here.
If I didn't know better I would say that was Ann Coulter on the other side of the keyboard.
I imagine if no one can care for her kids, you will ask her if the workhouses are full, and have the prisons reached their maximum capacity?
I know, just let them die, and decrease the surplus population.
Better throw a few more logs on the fire or your pipes are gonna freeze.
Merry Christmas aphrodite, or do you prefer happy holidays?
December 9th, 2005 at 9:18 pmOh and Merry Christmas to that ladies kids.
Mom's off to war, and if she don't come back, well, kids, it's like this, see.....mommy asked for it. :|
December 9th, 2005 at 9:20 pmMA, how about empethy and caring for all. Most who signed up in the guard had planned to defend their country here and get an education. I thought all you radical rights were pro life, abstenance and all that. I personaly would never assume why a woman has or does not have chidren, or why one would sign up for service. I do know this administration has lied to us all and I personaly know of one 52 year old Montana retirie that was called back into service and gave his life in Iraq, I would never ask any one to die for me with out going myself, unlike the majority in our white house staff. Even with poor health, I would not. Our service men and women are doing a great job, but, for the wrong reasons and the wrong man. They do as they are told and trained. They can only be held accountable if they torture or kill with out cause. How about Bush, Rummy, Cheney and Rove.? Will they ever be held accountable.? They should be jailed. Our people are dieing, nearly 2200 so far for their vendetta and oil. Then we have thousands of men women and children that we have killed in Iraq. Shame, to you, to us for allowing this druggie drunk to continue his cut it, drill it or kill it march on america and the world.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:32 pmNo wonder IIriight is so confused MATT DRUDGE?
LOL because He SAID?
Well RUSH Said...
Or BUSH Said
Or BILL said
all Lies, Havent you learned?
Heres some more Lies, of course you'll call it 'LIBERAL' media, but the Report came from your Buddy buschcos NSA.. LOL, your Gonna LOVE this ONE, Get out your hanky IRI, cause your gonna CRY,,
US warned Saudis about plane attacks
From correspondents in Washington
10dec05
A DECLASSIFIED US cable made public overnight shows that US officials warned Saudi counterparts more than three years before the September 11, 2001 attacks that Osama bin Laden might target civilian aircraft.
The State Department cable was not mentioned by the special commission that investigated the attacks on New York and Washington, according to National Security Archives, the non-profit research group that made the cable public.
The cable reports on a meeting between two US embassy officials in Riyadh with Saudi officials on June 16, 1998 to press for increased vigilance at the King Khalid International Airport.
"We noted that while we have no specific information that indicates Bin Laden is targeting civilian aircraft, he made a threat during the June 11 ABC News interview against 'military passenger aircraft' in the next 'few weeks,"' the cable said.
"Bin Laden also spoke of SAM missiles," the cable said, using the acronym for surface-to-air missiles.
It added that since attacks on US military facilities in the kingdom in 1995 and 1996, Saudi force protection measures had improved.
"Consequently, we could not rule out that a terrorist might take the course of least resistance and turn to a civilian target," it said.
After September 11, senior administration officials explained the unprecedented security failure by saying suicide attacks with civilian airliners could not have been imagined.
~~
December 9th, 2005 at 9:56 pmNoW IRI, WHO Trained OSAMA bin Laden? Who Was in the CIA? Bush? Gee, Wonder what Osamas Handle was, Oh Yes I remember it was 'TIM OSMAN'..I dont even need to mention RIGGS bank do I?
~~
So IRI, you are either as crooked as them, or as Guilty as them, you ARE TRYING VERY hard to confuse, and mislead, again IT WILL NOT WORK. -Aj
Afterthunk..
the 911 report NOW IS NOT 'FOR LACK of IMAGINATION'
Will CONDI still SAY she DIDNT KNOW?
HOW can all these other People know?
And they DIDNT?
I'll Tell you, Intentional Ignorance, lying by principle. -Aj
Had Enough Yet?
Speak Quietly when you SPEAK in the big chamber mkk poochie?
December 9th, 2005 at 10:02 pmWe are led to believe these people are incompetent, because the other choice is that they are just plain evil. Rumsfeld has been playing the crazy old man bit for too long. He is a war criminal and should be court marshalled!!!!
December 9th, 2005 at 10:10 pmSorry souls above the earth
December 9th, 2005 at 10:25 pmLacking Courage to Question
Hiding behind masking Divine
Curiosity Devoid, Absent of Reason
Trouncing thy Neighbor Always in Season
Squanderers of Truth, Servants of the Lie
Look the other way while we ask Why
Sing your songs heaping praises
Lumping Lord and Leaders
Undiscerning Two-Faces
Save your prayers I’m six feet below
Might be Alive
Without your refusal to know
"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or anyone else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about anyone else."
December 9th, 2005 at 10:28 pmTheodore Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star, 149
May 7, 1918
Spudgeboy,
Ok, I am really freakin out.
That story on the 71 year old man called up is beyond belief, and I can't believe it has not made EVERY news channel a thousand times.
There should be a blog in here about it.
Bush is too proud to admit he needs a draft, so he is drafting 71 year old men!
December 10th, 2005 at 12:37 amHoly freakin camel crap Batman, what now!?!
December 10th, 2005 at 12:38 amSharen Cox, Good post, #45.
In fact, if you think about it, the National Guard was never chartered to fight in foriegn offensive wars.
In fact, its original purpose was to fulfill the requirements of the Second Ammendment to the Constitution,
I don't think people who join the guard ever planned on going off to fight a country that never attacked us.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:47 amAnyone who thinks this gang of thieves is "incompetent" has their head up their ass. They are stealing billions of dollars a day and getting away with it.
December 10th, 2005 at 3:58 amHaving Rummy resign is too late by a long shot, but the best we have any hope of. He should be charged with high crimes and spend his remaining years behind bars. Along with several other members of this shameful administration.
December 10th, 2005 at 4:59 amAnyone who thinks this gang of thieves is “incompetent†has their head up their ass. They are stealing billions of dollars a day and getting away with it.
Comment by purvis ames — December 10, 2005 @ 3:58 am
Anyone who has power and influence can steal. Hell, anyone can steal. That doesn't take competence. Not getting caught takes competence. Perhaps you have noticed, they are all getting caught. 60 congressman are under investigation, wives and aides as well. We have the most corrupt and incompetent government in American history. Quite possibly the most corrupt and incompetent government in the history of modern democracies. That's a cause for celebration, no?
December 10th, 2005 at 7:50 amP.S. The Beatitude says “Blessed are the Peacemakers…â€
It does not say, “Blessed are the Pacifists….â€
Comment by mighty aphrodite
And it probably takes three hours, flashing red lights and a bunch of traffic cops stopping traffic for you to turn your other fat trailer park ass cheek.
December 10th, 2005 at 7:53 amThen again... when i read stuff like this:
I realize the world will be a better place if we just track them all down and string them all up. Someday soon I expect we will see twits like IRRItant and asswipe-diaper's homes going up in flames on TV after a shoot-out with federal marshalls. Kind of like the SLA, David Koresh or Randy Weaver. They are basically the same type of wingnut losers. If they think that's bad, they have no idea what a mob of angry gang-bangers would do to them, let alone angry regular Americans. Why should filth like them have to starve to death in Greenland? That's inhuman. Let's show some mercy and make it quick and painful.
December 10th, 2005 at 8:41 amWWe have a president that has not one inkling of what he is doing. He is nothing more than a yuppie cheerleader who was pushed into this war in Iraq by the most dangerous of peop0le.
He was assured by Wolfowitz that oil money would pay for the war.
He was assured by Tenet that it was a slam dunk that there were weapons of mass destruction.
He was assured by Rumsfeld, who failed to make any assessment as to cost in terms of men, arms and equipment, that we would be greeted as saviors.
He was assured by Cheney, who has his own agenda, of all of the above, and that Hussein had atomic weapons.
He was assured by his brain, Rove, that the world would see him as a hero for all time.
Bush cannot even grasp the smallest of details of what is going on around him. He is not fighting the war on terror, he is inflamming it. He should be out looking for bin Laden, not attacking Ifaq.
The man is a preppie idiot whose brain has been eaten up with years of alcohol and drug use. His thought processes are gone. He has no idea of what he is doing, but the others do, those urging him on.
Bush is using the military posts to make partisan political speeches, nothing wrong with that right?
What are you going to do folks when he declares matial law and says he is president for all time? That is coming, sooner than you think. Everything is in place for it. A minority of 36-40 percent of the population, which rivals what hitler had, is all he needs.
December 10th, 2005 at 10:08 amSharon Cox -- Several good posts here in reply to blackheart, MA. She is so cold and her heart so teeny, I believe the Grinch may have been modeled after her.
December 10th, 2005 at 10:18 am
Good Morning everyone. Thank's for your support and offences from the right. Wow! Marie, That poem is something. To get back on point, I don't care what happens to Rummy or any of this evil administration as long as it includes indictments and prison. Lieberman is a turncoat and should have been counted as a radical right winger for some time....Blessings
December 10th, 2005 at 10:39 amSay everyone, This picture of the Defrank fellow looks like some one's photo shoped a photo of Cheney and Rove and came up with this guy. Does any one else see the likeness of all these old puffy faced white guys with no necks.? Oop's Scotty Mc looks like a young version. LOL....Blessings
December 10th, 2005 at 11:25 amActually, Sharon, I lifted certain lines from "You're a Mean One Mr. Grinch," because I found them so appropriate. Her heart is many sizes too small.
December 10th, 2005 at 11:31 amI hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.
December 10th, 2005 at 11:51 amDwight D. Eisenhower
The Beatitude says “Blessed are the Peacemakers…â€
It does not say, “Blessed are the Pacifists….â€
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Now I know you don't want to go there, do you?
The "beattitudes" as catholics call them, are actually referred to as the Sermon on the Mount which Jesus gave to thousanfs on a mountain near Capernaum on the North End of the Sea of Galilee.
When he did, he made it clear what his gospel was all about.
He did not teach, blessed are the proud and mighty, he did not say if they neighbor strikes the on thy cheek, carpet bomb his country. He did not say blessed are the warmongers.
In fact, he said just the opposite.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:09 pmMaybe it's me, but I have been noticing lots of panels on programs using people from the NY Daily News and the NY Post (THE NY POST, MIND YOU!)
Although I believe Mr. Defrank's assertion, I don't think that the NY Daily News is worthy of inclusion in a debate on a panel...
:)
December 10th, 2005 at 1:00 pmBack to the National Guardette you were all whining about - kids and jobs require personal responsibility - something progs dismiss, excuse, refuse, whine, wimper, and complain about. Does making excuses for someone help them - or does it continue to perpetuate whiny behaviour??
December 10th, 2005 at 1:16 pm#43 - WORFEUS - I say "Merry Christmas" to my Christian friends and family and "Happy Chanukah" to my Jewish friends and relatives. You can say either to me - I'm not PC or hyper-sensitive
M A wasn't this woman in the "Nation Guard" . I suppose this is your way of supporting the troops , you are a joke right ?
December 10th, 2005 at 2:13 pmSomeone please difine for me what you sign up for when you join the national guard . I just figured nation being the root word to national that it meant something to do with guarding our nation .
December 10th, 2005 at 2:16 pmYeah, lets get Bushie to fire every incompetent. Then we could save ourselves the trouble of impeachment.
Fire the entire administration!
December 10th, 2005 at 2:50 pmMichDem - when in the military - you go when and where you are told. But I'm sure you KNOW that! Do you think she might have gotten the idea during the last fifteen years (beginning with Desert Storm) that just maybe she might get called up? Probably like too many Dems she sees the military as a jobs and entitlement program.
December 10th, 2005 at 3:03 pmMightyTranny,
You've been clocked, stop pretending to be either a woman or a human being, clearly you don't qualify for either description.
Take your hate rhetoric and shove it you hateful stupid cow.
December 10th, 2005 at 4:23 pmPerhaps it's more than Bush can do without permission, loyalty notwithstanding.
It might be illustative to reiterate that G.W. Bush is, from an insider's view, G.W. Bush "the junior". [R] goes all the way back to Nixon, for heaven's sake. G.W. may be in the driver's seat, but he has always had a crowded back seat roster calling the directions. In their view, and in the view of their 'ilk', who is this upstart little whelp to unseat our old-buddy?
After this "presidential phase" in his less than illustrious life, he still has to be able to spend the holidays with G.H.W. "the senior" and Babs. Not so cool if he disses the elders of his clan.
December 10th, 2005 at 4:59 pmYOU WHITE FLAG WAVING COWARDS!
December 10th, 2005 at 5:18 pmPENTAGON DON INDUCES OLFACTORY OVERLOAD
The longer civilian war lord Rumsfeld remains, the greater the stench will become around the GOP in the lead up to elections 06. Suppurating putrescence has a way of tar-pitting its own. What do you do with a guy who drops a meaty fart when the elevator doors close and you’re taking the ride topside on his suggestion?
The irony is rich, when a nation that refuses to sign the Kyoto protocol, so desperately needs sustained gusts of freh air.
December 10th, 2005 at 7:24 pmSo if this is an indication of what GEORGE does to those who are incompetent then what are we waiting for with GEORGE? This is one of those SAT questions (practice question) until the year 2008 or a premature answer can be found prematurely under duress ... with a little tweaking .. and arm twisting.
December 10th, 2005 at 10:49 pmPoster #2 -- you nailed it!
First of all, for Bush to fire anyone would be to say that they are more incompetent than he is, which is impossible.
December 11th, 2005 at 10:06 amKeeping Rummy in place is nothing to do with competence, or loyalty. It is because he is the architect of 9/11, it was his baby, and he knows far too much for BabyDoc and Darth to try and oust him. All this speculation about their downfall is idle chatter. It will NEVER happen! Why do you think BabyBush is crying to his aides that "they are going to kill him"? The neocon 'masterminds', who committed mass murder of Americans on US soil, don't need Bush anymore, not with his plmmeting popularity. Now, he is nothing but a liability, and he may be 'dumb', but he's smart enough to know that. The truth of 9/11, and the lies that got us into this quagmire in Iraq will come out sooner or later, and somebody has to take the fall. I wonder who it's going to be? We have a war criminal and mass murderer as a sitting president, he can't afford to scew with anyone who knows, and he just has to pray that most Americans will continue to 'not want to beleive that our own government would do such a thing' until he has time to make pardons and get the hell out of office. Personally, I think he should fry like the poor bastards he executed in Texas (for much lesser crimes!).
December 11th, 2005 at 4:24 pmTo fire an incompetent requires competence.
Of course, I would never ipugn the competence of anyone in the administration, for they are all demonstrably devoid of it.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:58 pmI have changed my mind. I want you to stay in Irac and I want you to atack Iran and Syria. It helps the gene pool inthe USA. I could care less that aboput 50% of you don't agree with the war. You sit there and do nothing to stop it. You deserve what youi get and I hope you all die.
December 12th, 2005 at 2:07 amEric
Rumsfield has done his job well, and non of you can fathom how hard his job is so step off.
December 12th, 2005 at 11:56 amWhoa, hold up there Eric. Frustration is one thing, wishing death on your nieghbors is another. Keep in mind that the ones fighting and dying in Iraq/Afghanistan are not the ones on whom this fate should be wished. The chickenhawks in the whitehouse are the ones that should be stuck out front as human IED detectors. 99% of Americans I have met are good folks. Politicians, OTOH are pond scum who should be force fed their own medicine prior to having it pushed on someone else.
December 12th, 2005 at 1:58 pmBREAKING NEWS:
ABC/ TIME MAG NEW POLL
7 in 10 Iraqis say their own lives are going well, and nearly two-thirds expect things to improve in the year ahead.
December 12th, 2005 at 2:22 pmTry again BILLC, you freeper. Here is the whole story on that poll. Just how well the Iraqis think they are doing greatly depends on which type of Iraqi you ask. And while they are optimistic for the future, an admirable trait, they are still unhappy and anxious about the present. If you're gonna quote a poll, link to the entire thing, don't cherry-pick.
December 13th, 2005 at 5:46 amYou libs are so blind to the victory that we have been having in Iraq that now you are starting to sound rediculous. Can't you understand one thing that even children in Iraq understand? Rummy has conducted one of the most amazing wars in the annals of mankind. He has actually demolished a tyrant, installed a democracy, and eliminated a threat to his own country all in one fell blow. The record is in Iraq and Al Quaida are in cahoots. They had 8 high level meetings on record, the first attempt on the Twin Towers was by an agent with an Iraqi passport, and he was Al Quaida, we have found the money taps to the terrorists from Iraq....but you are listening to each other and not reality. Good for you Democrats...just keep listening to goofy Kennedy and all will be well for the nation.
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