Bush Delegation Stages “Walk Out” at Climate Talks
Bush Delegation Stages “Walk Out” at Climate Talks
Not content with simply remaining outside the international agreements on climate change, the Bush administration is now trying to block other countries from making progress without it.
The American delegation staged a dramatic walkout last night in a bid to scuttle the entire U.N. climate change conference in Montreal. The theatrics were billed as a protest of Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin’s harmless remarks from Wednesday. (Martin said, “To the reticent nations, including the United States, I say there is such a thing as a global conscience, and now is the time to listen to it.”) Compounding the embarassment, the U.S. delegation actually had to first walk in to the negotiations before they could “walk out,” because they hadn’t been regularly attending the meetings.
U.S. frustrations aren’t based in substance: the U.S. delegation rejected language that was lifted directly from the G8 communiqué that President Bush himself signed in July. Rather, the problem is that this week’s negotiations reinforced that the Bush administration is more isolated than ever in dealing with global climate change. Simply put, the U.S. delegation recognizes that the rest of the world is making progress, and it is pulling out all the stops in order to keep that from happening.
– Ana Unruh Cohen, in Montreal
Ken Gude, in Washington
UPDATE: The tantrum continues: “Bush-administration officials privately threatened organizers of the U.N. Climate Change Conference, telling them that any chance there might’ve been for the United States to sign on to the Kyoto global-warming protocol would be scuttled if they allowed Bill Clinton to speak at the gathering today in Montreal, according to a source involved with the negotiations who spoke to New York Magazine on condition of anonymity.”
UPDATE II: The AP reports this morning “More than 150 nations agreed Saturday to launch formal talks on mandatory post-2012 reductions in greenhouse gases – talks that will exclude an unwilling United States. For its part the Bush administration, which rejects the emissions cutbacks of the current Kyoto Protocol, accepted only a watered-down proposal to enter an exploratory global ‘dialogue’ on future steps to combat climate change. “
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December 9th, 2005 at 6:50 pmWhat color is the sky in Bush’s world?
December 9th, 2005 at 6:51 pm“U.S. frustrations aren’t based in substance: the U.S. delegation rejected language that was lifted directly from the G8 communiqué that President Bush himself signed in July. Rather, the problem is that this week’s negotiations reinforced that the Bush administration is more isolated than ever in dealing with global climate change.”
Welll.. the way I see it–U.S. frustrations are based on Dubya’s interests in the oil industry.
December 9th, 2005 at 6:53 pmWhy is he so crazy? When can we have a real president again? Like Clinton:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051209/ap_on_sc/climate_change_clinton;_ylt=Atc.DTDzHUTXYjleukyo0nyyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA–
December 9th, 2005 at 6:54 pmWhy is my country represented by short-sighted, self interested, jackasses?
December 9th, 2005 at 7:00 pm“…any chance there might’ve been for the United States to sign on to the Kyoto global-warming protocol would be scuttled if they allowed Bill Clinton to speak at the gathering…”
Wow. It’s junior high all over again.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:01 pm#6
Correction, it’s more like kindergarten. And apparently anybody who never graduates from kindergarten can qualify to work for Dubya.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:08 pmLooks like the environment is getting in the way of corporate interests again.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:09 pmAnd W is doing this for all the world to see. Talk about an ugly American. This guy is putrid! Will I ever dare to show my face in Europe again?
December 9th, 2005 at 7:13 pmAw, Bush is just spendin’ his endless well of kap-it-all.
Confident, cocky, dead.
-Tad Williams
December 9th, 2005 at 7:18 pmLike they were going to sign it anyway. Go tell them like it is, Bill.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:25 pmCNN
December 8, 2005
Clinton: Bush ‘flat wrong’ on climate
December 9th, 2005 at 7:26 pm
Jews were Free to Choose to have Jesus Crucified or not, TORTURED Jesus,Threw Stones At Jesus, Spitted On Jesus, Whipped Jesus! Chose to HATE Jesus. Chose to have Jesus Murdered!. In A Torturous way!
(Ever try hanging from a cross?)
Intentional torurous murder.
And one of the most Significant commandments was
THOU SHALT NOT Murder.!!!
Jesus on the other hand, Loved Lazarus the Begger.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:26 pmSo, the way I see the score, it is 180 to 1.
How come we have to be the one dumbass country that can’t get with the program?
December 9th, 2005 at 7:28 pmThe walk out was nothing more than pouting from the Bush administration officials. But the cold truth to anyone like myself who wants green house gas reduction must understand, is that this government we have in power doesn’t care about climate change because it’s not a Republican administration. It’s an ExxonMobil, BP, Phizer, and Boeing administration. That’s who owns the Bush team and this relentless attack on the environment will not stop until we rid the world of this neocon gang once and for all.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:29 pmsarcasm-impaired ASSOCIATION,
Why do you keep spammin gthe same thing in every thread. So freaking what if Jews voted to have the Romans kill Jesus? What does it have to do with Green House Gases, the Bush administartion walking out on the UN Climate Change Conference or Bill Clinton showing up Bush in front of the world?
December 9th, 2005 at 7:31 pmAwwww poor babies gonna take there ball and go home? OK, then let us start the impeachment proceedings…NOW.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:33 pmI said this yesterday:
Speaking of various “wars on†things, I
was wondering if, since this administration
refuses to DO anything about climate change, Chimpy
will shortly annouce the GWOW, AKA Global War
on Weather. That should help his polling.
Comment by afterthought — December 8, 2005 @ 5:11 pm
Who knew they would declare the new front today?
December 9th, 2005 at 7:33 pmAnd W is doing this for all the world to see. Talk about an ugly American. This guy is putrid! Will I ever dare to show my face in Europe again?
Comment by WaltTheMan
Oh I’m sure you won’t have any trouble ingratiating yourself to the Zeropeans. They love self hating Americans.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:34 pmCanadian Prime Minister Paul Martin’s harmless remarks from Wednesday. (Martin said, “To the reticent nations, including the United States, I say there is such a thing as a global conscience, and now is the time to listen to it.â€)
Hummm…the ratbastardcommiemofo called us out by name did he? Oh..that’s really gong to piss off the other huge industrial nations that won’t have anything to do with the UN’s plan to wreck their economies.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:37 pmWhy does the wing-nuttery hate everyone?
December 9th, 2005 at 7:38 pmAre they mad at Europe because the US was
so wrong about everything WRT Iraq?
Did anyone hear that stupid anti-France rant
by Dennis Miller? I you hear it now he sounds
like an absolute loon.
It’s not so surprising that this administration staged such walk-out. After all, it’s an administration that run by corporate America, which stands to lose money if they are no longer allowed to pollute this planet the way they have been doing for years. So much money to be made at the expense of a healthy world. But these evil people do not care. The forces behind this administration is what we should be more concerned about.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:38 pmI remember:
1) Emission control was going to put auto-makers
out of business
2) CAFE was going to put the auto-makers out of
business
3) Scrubbers were going to put everyone out of
business.
4) Lead-free gas was going to put the auto-makers
out of business
They ALWAYS cry wolf. I don’t believe it anymore.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:43 pmDear World,
I am terribly sorry we happen to be ruled by a complete moron. He claims to support free speech, as long as it doesn’t make him look like the idiot that he is. “Walking out” of a meeting that they, in a sort of way, weren’t invited to is just another notch in their belt of stupid and idiotic acts.
The good thing is that, there are some of us who are active state rights supporters and we are mobilizing our states to meet our environmental responsibilities. We on the West coast, and our brothers and sisters in the North East, have recently enacted major changes in vehicle emission regulations. The American auto industry is challenging our right to do this. We will not be threatened by their weak arguments. And these arguments are the same as what our “beloved” President likes to use to oppose any environmental protections, in that they would cause harm to our economy. In reality though, the only businesses that would be harmed would be those who refuse to join the 21st century and those who’s days have passed. He fails to recognize that environmental protection will spawn many new businesses.
In closing, I would like to say I am sorry from all of us American citizens who have an ounce of knowledge regarding environmental issues.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:44 pmThe sad thing is, these walkout clowns think they are standing on principle. The rest of the world sees a bunch of spoiled brats who pout and stamp their feet when they don’t get their way.
And this crowd who likes to brag about bringing democracy to Iraq, they won’t be so keen on democracy when America has only 5% of the vote. And right wing America has 2.5%
December 9th, 2005 at 7:45 pmAnd all this is being done by these criminals in our name. I’m ashamed to be an American, and would like to personally apologize to those being harmed by climate change.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:46 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
If I understand your comments correctly, then all of the Europeans are clueless and stupid because they do not agree with you. And Canada just committed a horrendous faux pas because they spoke the truth.
This leaves me to wonder, are you oxygen deprived because your head is so far up your ass or do you truly hate everyone but yourself? There are remedies for both so please tell us which affliction you suffer from.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:50 pm#20
I-RIGHT-I,
Show us all up. Name one other huge industrial nation besides the US and Australia that haven’t signed the Kyoto Treaty.
180 Countries have signed. There are only 193 countries in the world. The US be one non-signer, that leaces 12 countries that haven’t signed the Kyoto Treaty.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:55 pmJews were Free to Choose to have Jesus Crucified or not, TORTURED Jesus,Threw Stones At Jesus, Spitted On Jesus, Whipped Jesus! Chose to HATE Jesus. Chose to have Jesus Murdered!. In A Torturous way!
(Ever try hanging from a cross?)
Intentional torurous murder.
And one of the most Significant commandments was
THOU SHALT NOT Murder.!!!
Jesus on the other hand, Loved Lazarus the Begger.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:55 pm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bush must be a Jew
Jews were Free to Choose to have Jesus Crucified or not, TORTURED Jesus,Threw Stones At Jesus, Spitted On Jesus, Whipped Jesus! Chose to HATE Jesus. Chose to have Jesus Murdered!. In A Torturous way!
(Ever try hanging from a cross?)
Intentional torurous murder.
And one of the most Significant commandments was
THOU SHALT NOT Murder.!!!
Jesus on the other hand, Loved Lazarus the Begger.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:56 pm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jews were Free to Choose to have Jesus Crucified or not, TORTURED Jesus,Threw Stones At Jesus, Spitted On Jesus, Whipped Jesus! Chose to HATE Jesus. Chose to have Jesus Murdered!. In A Torturous way!
(Ever try hanging from a cross?)
Intentional torurous murder.
And one of the most Significant commandments was
THOU SHALT NOT Murder.!!!
Jesus on the other hand, Loved Lazarus the Begger.
December 9th, 2005 at 7:59 pmHot Tip,
I am unclear on your statements. Are you saying that Jews are murderers, that Jesus is a queer, or both?
December 9th, 2005 at 8:00 pmWow. Calling on the US to respect a matter of “conscience.”
Talk about a non-starter. That’s like telling Hannibal Lecter to stop playing with his food.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:05 pmDude,
Why do you keep posting the same fvcking thing. Post something original with some thought put into it.
Jesus was killed by the Romans, not the Jews. The Jews only voted for him to die, because he was a trouble maker that was cutting into their profits from selling sacrificical animals in the temple.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:05 pmThis demonstrates excatly how little influence this administration has on the world. They know the game bush is playing so they ignore him. In five wonderful years bush has managed to take the US from a leader in world affairs to being out of the room. Fortunately for the delegation -not like prez bush- they were able to find an open door. Just hope it didn’t hit them on the ass on the way out.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:10 pmThis …. this … this tantrum throwing…
THIS is LEADSHIP????!!!!!
gs
December 9th, 2005 at 8:11 pmThis …. this … this tantrum throwing…THIS is LEADSHIP?!
December 9th, 2005 at 8:12 pmSure, creating tens of thousands of jobs in the alternative energy industry will wreck the booming US economy. let’s just keep pouring more coal smoke into the air from our power plants and build a bunch of reactors that create nuclear waste. Bush is a moron and a fool and so is anyone who agrees with him. Where do they plan on going when they’ve destroyed this planet?
December 9th, 2005 at 8:16 pmFor those who have seen Lion King movie, the dreadful period under Scar’s rule, characterized by darkness and misery, could be our reality with this current leadership.
Are we still waiting for Simba?
December 9th, 2005 at 8:18 pmWhere will this country be when the rest of the world develops low cost, environmentally friendly, energy efficient technology? Likely at quite an economic disadvantage as the rest of the world shuns this country and their attitude.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:19 pm#38,
Mars. I think the plan is to move to Mars.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:19 pmI wonder those who drive Ford Excursion, Expedition and similar x-large SUVs could spell G-L-O-B-A-L W-A-R-M-I-N-G?
December 9th, 2005 at 8:23 pmAh ha,
I found another huge industrail nation that hasn’t signed the Kyoto Treaty besides the US an Australia. It is or new friends in China. You know, the country that wants more oil for the cars their increasing middle class needs.
Yes folks that’s right China’s middle class is growing, while ours is shrinking.
China doesn’t care abou the environment. Remember when they were the enemy and we wouldn’t want to be like them?
Now, Bill Clinton is the enemy and we don’t want to be like him, but the rest of the world does.
We live under a strange administration.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:24 pmThis is disgusting. When will this idiotic administration be held accountable for wrecking this country’s reputation? I used to be quite proud. Not so proud nowadays. I love my country, but I absolutely dispise this administration and it’s “leader”. He’s so stupid he doesn’t know he’s stupid. Dillusional. That’s the best word I can come up with.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:53 pmWhat do the president (sic) and Attorney General really think of our Constitution? I have their words on the record at my blog.
December 9th, 2005 at 8:55 pmOk, it’s now, officially out of control.
To the rest of the world we look like a monkey fukin a football
December 9th, 2005 at 9:32 pmBush’s move to block other European countries was reported yesterday by the Independent:
How America Plotted to Stop Kyoto Deal by Andrew Buncombe
“A detailed and disturbing strategy document has revealed an extraordinary American plan to destroy Europe’s support for the Kyoto treaty on climate change.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:36 pmThe ambitious, behind-the-scenes plan was passed to The Independent this week, just as 189 countries are painfully trying to agree the second stage of Kyoto at the UN climate conference in Montreal. It was pitched to companies such as Ford Europe, Lufthansa and the German utility giant RWE.
Put together by a lobbyist who is a senior official at a group partly funded by ExxonMobil, the world’s biggest oil company and a fierce opponent of anti-global warming measures, the plan seeks to draw together major international companies, academics, think-tanks, commentators, journalists and lobbyists from across Europe into a powerful grouping to destroy further EU support for the treaty.â€
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1208-03.htm
Ah yes, its so good to have the self described grown ups back in charge of Washington.
Geeesh
Steve
December 9th, 2005 at 9:36 pmHummm…the ratbastardcommiemofo called us out by name did he? Oh..that’s really gong to piss off the other huge industrial nations that won’t have anything to do with the UN’s plan to wreck their economies.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 9, 2005
Huge industrial nations? Name one. I dare you. You can’t. They no longer exist, you moron. There are huge multi-national global corporations. Perhaps you meant those. Idiot.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:37 pmI-Right-Idiot is the “useful idiot”.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:39 pmJesus was killed by the Romans, not the Jews. The Jews only voted for him to die, because he was a trouble maker that was cutting into their profits from selling sacrificical animals in the temple.
Comment by SpudgeBoy — December 9, 2005 @ 8:05 pm
According to the legend, myth, whatever you want to call it. And what about the Easter Bunny? When do we attack him?
Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, a practical economist, and an old drunk are walking down the street together when they simultaneously spot a hundred dollar bill. Who gets it? The old drunk, of course, the other three are mythological creatures.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:42 pmI am Simba.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:43 pmSimply put, the U.S. delegation recognizes that the rest of the world is making progress, and it is pulling out all the stops in order to keep that from happening.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:44 pm~~~~
The Monarchial Bourgeoise Nationalists are in their LAST throes
Really? What progress is being made?
Incidentally, if the Kyoto treaty is so great, then why did all the Democrats in the Senate vote against it?
December 9th, 2005 at 9:45 pmDude,
Why do you keep posting the same fvcking thing. Post something original with some thought put into it.
Spudge,
There are still anti-semites in the world. I’m an anti-likkudnik and anti-zionist myself. So are quite a few Jews and Israelis. You can imagine how they get treated by the hard-liners over there.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:46 pmWahhhhhh! We want to run the world and if you don’t let us we’re not going to eat our peas.
This is just the stupidest government the U.S. has ever had. It’s like some ultra childish summer camp skit. Certainly gives the lie to intelligent design. Can we use a lemon law to return a whole administration as defective merchandise to their “maker”?
December 9th, 2005 at 9:46 pmThere sure is a lot of ad hominem still spewing from the left in these comments, in direct violation of the site Terms of Use.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:47 pmReally? What progress is being made?
Incidentally, if the Kyoto treaty is so great, then why did all the Democrats in the Senate vote against it?
Comment by wwallace — December 9, 2005
That was in 1997. Care to have that vote today? I think you wouldn’t like that outcome.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:48 pmThere sure is a lot of ad hominem still spewing from the left in these comments, in direct violation of the site Terms of Use.
Comment by wwallace — December 9, 2005
You can always vote with your feet and go back to wherever it is people like you. We can send you a card if you leave a SASE.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:51 pmKillCon, right, now nobody supports the Kyoto treaty.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:53 pmThe Bushies continue to behave like crack-addled frat brats.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:59 pmChristian nudists to build village in Florida
Phil Barnoti Wahba
Columbia News Service
Dec. 6, 2005 06:29 PM
Jonathan Palmiter was enjoying a recent Sunday morning stroll through a lush yard full of trees and Spanish moss–naked as was Adam in the Garden of Eden.
A 59-year-old born-again Christian, Palmiter was visiting Natura, a development 40 miles north of Tampa, Fla., that, when it opens up next summer, will become the first nudist community for devout Christians in North America.
December 9th, 2005 at 9:59 pmWow, some people should stay in their fox news
December 9th, 2005 at 9:59 pmbubble where they are safe from reality.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:00 pm### According to the legend, myth, whatever you want to call it. And what about the Easter Bunny? When do we attack him ###
Actually there is ample empirical evidence to the existence of the historical Jesus. Aside from the obvious like the library at Nag Hammadi Egypt, and the Dead Sea scrolls, there are other references from historical sources like the writings from the Judeo-Roman historian, Josephus.
But that aside, the actual statement of Spudgeboy is historically correct, and well documented. The occupying Roman army, unlike previous taskmasters like the Kings of Egypt, was a benevolent occupier, allowing the Jewish people to maintain a degree of sovereignty, right down to sporting their own kings, as long as they were approved by the assigned Roman governor.
But one right the Romans did not allow the Jewish people to have, was the right to execute a prisoner. This right, Rome reserved to itself. Which is why the members of the Sanhedrin, could not execute Jesus, so they manipulated the roman Procurator, Pilate, to do it for them.
Technically they were both culpable, but it was the Romans who committed the actual act.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:00 pmThere sure is a lot of ad hominem still spewing from the left in these comments, in direct violation of the site Terms of Use.
Comment by wwallace — December 9, 2005
———————————————-
Come on, what are you complaining about, your gettin paid to be here :D
December 9th, 2005 at 10:03 pmComment deleted by admin.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:03 pmWhat do you want to de with this Man,Jesus? And the Jews Shouted out”CRUCIFY HIM
December 9th, 2005 at 10:03 pm“Incidentally, if the Kyoto treaty is so great, then why did all the Democrats in the Senate vote against it?
Comment by wwallace” ProfessionalRepublicanLiar
“Although the United States signed the Kyoto Protocol, the treaty has not been ratified by the U.S. Senate. In July 1999, the United States Senate voted 95-0 to pass a resolution co-sponsored by Sen. Byrd (D-W.Va.) and Sen. Hagel (R-Neb.), which stated the Senate would not ratify the Protocol unless rapidly developing countries such as China were included in its requirements to reduce greenhouse gases. The Clinton Administration announced it would not send the treaty to the Senate for ratification.”
There never was a vote in the senate on its ratification, what wallace says never happened – he lied as usual.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:06 pm#51
Actually, the myth is the part found in the Bible. WHat I wrote was never in the Bible.
See, Pilot was occupying Jerusalem for Cesar. He wanted to keep the peace while all of the Jews came to celebrate their hole day at the temple.
Jesus showed up and knocked over everybody’s carts and let their animals go. That pissed off the Jews who were selling sacrificial stuff to the people who had come to make offereings to god.
Pilot said, “I gotta make an example out of somebody. Because Cesar is not going to stand for some Jew tearing up his shit.”
The Jews said “Kill Jesus”
And so the Romans did.
Nowhere in my recap of history did I talk about sin, Jesus on the cross, resurection or any other part of the myth that surrounds Jesus.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:11 pm#54
The progress is that all of the scientists and politicians all ove the world have come together and realized that Global Warming is a fact and that something has to be done.
That is why you are not a Progressive. You are part of the Grand OLD Party.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:13 pmJudd said he was going to ban those, such as Ryan Neat, who do nothing but engage in ad hominem attacks in violation of the Terms of Use. When is Judd going to keep his promise?
Ryan, thank you for confirming what I said, “In July 1999, the United States Senate voted 95-0…”
December 9th, 2005 at 10:14 pmWell people, that’s just the beginning of it… Check out this quote.
GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.
“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”
“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”
http://www.rense.com/general69/paper.htm
Please write and/or call your representatives and DEMAND that Bush and company are Impeached. This is the only way we will get rid of this clown. If enough people complain, then just maybe the house will do something under the pressure.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:15 pm#60
Nobody except 180 other countries, and before you go saying that they are tiny and insignificant, these same countries make up the Coalition of the Willing.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:16 pmSpudge, so a bunch of bureaucrats flying in on jumbo jets, burning thousands of gallons of jet fuel, and doing nothing but talk about how concerned they are is progress in your book? ROFL
Incidentally, when are you going to prove your assertion that the historical figure Jesus is a “myth”? Put up or shut up.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:18 pm#65
WORFEUS,
I hadn’t got to your post yet and posted my laymans version in #70.
I guess I spelled “Pilots” name incorrect, but you get the point.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:20 pmBush is just like pilot.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:21 pmSpudge, please provide some evidence that 180 countries are complying with the Kyoto Protocol.
RemoveBush, there is no basis to impeach President Bush, since he hasn’t engaged in any wrongdoing.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:22 pm#68
Read #65 and # 70.
That is historical fact. Mine is a little loser than WORFEUS’ version. More of a cliff notes type.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:22 pm#69
In your face wwallace. Now retort with some facts. If it is only from you, it will be lame.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:23 pm@77 was a Question, not a statement
December 9th, 2005 at 10:24 pm#78 Your wrong. He and Cheney lied to Congrss and provided false and misleading information to start a war. This is a direct violation of the Constitution.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:24 pmWally,
I’m tired of your crap. I’d love you to shut up permanantly.
Go The F*** Away.
I am so freaking tired of your racist rants. (other thread)
You have NOTHING of value to add to any of these posts.
You are a piece of crap that I would scrape off my shoe.
No, actually, I’d throw the freaking shoe away entirely.
As for the Jesus freak:
December 9th, 2005 at 10:25 pmHave you taken your meds today?
I don’t think so.
You are a troll just like Wally. I don’t CARE about the stinkin’ Bible. Nice story. Got some good parables. THAT’S IT!
Happy Freaking HOLIDAYS!
Sorry to everyone else.
I’ve really just had it tonight.
Stupid snow/ice storm.
No elec for 6 hrs.
Couldn’t cook my kid supper.
I’m grumpy
December 9th, 2005 at 10:27 pmYou sound truely blue, whats up?
December 9th, 2005 at 10:27 pm#82, They did not lie to Congress.
#83, your slanders and bigoted ad hominem attacks clearly violate the site Terms of Use.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:28 pmImagine what it must be like in Afganistan or Iraq. You are lucky true blue.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:28 pmWow, for being right-wing tough guys
December 9th, 2005 at 10:29 pmsome people sure whine a lot.
wwallace,
Tell that to Bush when he fires up Air Force one to the tune of $1 million dollars just to fly over Katrina ravaged New Orleans.
“Incidentally, when are you going to prove your assertion that the historical figure Jesus is a “mythâ€? Put up or shut up.”
I never said he was a myth, somebody else did. I just posted the historical facts about the MAN called Jesus. Jesus did exist. That is fact. But, he was not the son of god. He was a great speaker, who had a great PR team lead by Peter. Read the Bible and you will see that Peter went to ever town and/or wrote a letter to let everbody know Jesus was coming. He was like Martin Luther King. A great guy, with a great atitude, who could move people.
Are you trying to get me to attack Christians? Ain’t gonna happen. Most of my family is Christian. Jesus was a great guy with lots of goos things to say. No doubt about it.
I just wish the so called evangelical Christians of today would stop preaching hate. That is not what Jesus preach.
“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.”
Nothing about pre-emptive war in that statement.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:30 pmwwallace, what planet are you living on?
They have trammpled every bit of the constitution and are still doing it with the very comments “I don’t give a goddamn,†Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.â€
If this is not clear enough for you then I suggest that you get an interpreter because it’s pretty clear to the other 60+% in the country. This president and his bunch of mobsters are going down, and I can’t wait for the day to get here. I wish it was last year, but next year is fine as long as they are taken down.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:31 pmTell it, Spudge!
“Jesus” wasn’t even BORN in this month!
APRIL, you stupid sheep!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no more patience for the trolls.
Idiots.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:34 pmOur country is going down the crapper and these bozos “Seig Heil!”
#77 & 81
Yes, I beleive Bush is like Pilate.
Bush is killing Muslims for his oil buddies.
Pilate killed Jesus for his Jewish (aka business) buddies.
You see the Jews back then paid money to Pilate, which in turn went to Cesar, for the right to do business in Jerusalem. When Jesus came in and knocked shit all over the place in the temple, he pissed off the Jewish bussinessmen. So, they were more than willing to let him be killed.
As the capitolists say:
“It’s just business.”
Nothing more.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:35 pmwon’t they be embarrassed twenty years from now when the truth finally comes out
December 9th, 2005 at 10:35 pm#93
They will blame it on the Democrats, just like they do with everything else in history. I am surprised that they haven’t blamed Jesus’ deathon the Democrats. :)
December 9th, 2005 at 10:37 pmAND WALLY,
I violate the terms of use???
Didn’t you call an African American a CHIMP just the other day on another post?
You are a sad, horrible human being.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:37 pmSpudge, I think Jesus was more than “a great guy” but to each his own. I think stopping Saddams’ rape, torture, murder, etc. was the moral position.
RemoveBush, I don’t find your paranoid fantasies and slander of the president interesting.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:45 pmThe other thing to note about what Jesus “said” (actually written hundreds years after he was dead) was that he was the son of God, so everybody takes that at face value,
“Jesus is the son of God”
But Jesus also “said” we are all the children of God.
So, if we take that at face value:
“SpudgeBoy is the son of God”
Why do they take one at face value and not the other.
Weird?!?!?!?!?
December 9th, 2005 at 10:45 pmI think the Jesus thread is somewhere else,
December 9th, 2005 at 10:47 pmthis is on the climate conference and the
ExxonMobil administration walking out
on it.
Welcome to the guvment of the way deluded right. These are the people that think that it doesn’t matter what they do to the earth because they’re going to be ‘taken up’ when the big Armeggedon happens. These are also the same people that think they can screw anyone else because they’ve already been ’saved’. They don’t have to worry about accountability because they’ve been forgiven by the ‘big man’.
That mythology as fact is devastatingly frightening, and that’s what we’ve got for government figureheads, folks; along with talking heads like Bill O’Reilly, Pat Robertson, Ann Coulter, etc, perpetuating this drivel as fact.
These ‘wingnuts’ aren’t going to be satisfied until they’ve ensured that the US is fully ‘fundamentalist’. I know the psychology and ideology is alot more indepth, but what a horrifying scene being played out right before our eyes on the international political stage.
And what’s even more frightening is we have no effective ‘contra’ leadership to reign this administration in. If Rumsfeld quits and Joe Lieberman takes the position is not even beginning to make the situation better. And he’s a democrat? That speaks volumes! What I wouldn’t give for a Thomas Jefferson right now. This nation needs someone who has insight, tact, and gonads to stand up and speak our peace/piece.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:47 pmwwallace
I don’t find anything that Saddam did to be moral. He was an egotistical, self righteou bastard. That is why I signed up and went to fight in Desert Storm.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:47 pmTrue Blue is against name-calling? Since when? ROFL
Spudge, Bush is liberating Muslims from tyranny.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:48 pm#98
You’re right.
So, what do you think of Bill Clinton coming out and making George Bush and friends look like a bunch of retards at the last minute?
December 9th, 2005 at 10:49 pmClinton is still a phony. He didn’t even submit the Kyoto treaty to Congress for ratification.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:50 pmWallace, this is my last comment because one cannot present logical information to an illogical person or mentally ill person.
Where do you think that comments by your president Bush are my paranoid fantasies? Where are his actions and inactions my paranoid fantasies? Finally, how is stating FACT slander? I have only stated exactly what he has done and said, but I guess that in your world that is slander. By the way, as of this day this is still America and I have the right to say what ever I want about who ever I want. However, your president is trying to change that so I hope you enjoy everything you have at the moment because if your president gets his way you will be out of all you onw very soon.
Just keep on thinking that way. You do the country a real justice, NOT!
December 9th, 2005 at 10:50 pmRemoveBush, insulting me will never change the fact that you’re lying about the president.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:51 pmSee wallace, that is the problem. You say Bush is “liberating” Muslims from tyranny. Bush is gone.
You should be saying:
“Bush is liberated Muslims from tyranny.”
Mission Accomplished!
Now let’s leave the Iraqis to take care of business. We know Iraqis are fully capable of taking care of themselves, they blow each other up daily.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:52 pmSo, that is a good reason for Bush to not sign it?
December 9th, 2005 at 10:53 pmI wish he did not have to do it, but I am glad
December 9th, 2005 at 10:54 pmsomeone makes the case that the entire country
is not behind a madman.
Clinton has been far too kind to the current
administration, but I understand the tradition.
Gore has been tough on BushCo. at times, but
as the previous VP, I don’t think he has to
be nice.
Until they take away freedom of speech (Did they
in the new un-patriotic act?) people should
scream truth from the mountaintops.
wwallace, insulting me will never change the fact that you’re lying about the president. :()
December 9th, 2005 at 10:58 pmActually there is ample empirical evidence to the existence of the historical Jesus. Aside from the obvious like the library at Nag Hammadi Egypt, and the Dead Sea scrolls, there are other references from historical sources like the writings from the Judeo-Roman historian, Josephus.
I don’t dispute that there is evidence that a guy named Jesus lived and may even have been crucified by Pilate. The rest is myth and speculation.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:58 pmComment deleted by admin.
December 9th, 2005 at 10:58 pmSpudge,
You might find this link interesting if you
like climate stuff:
Real Climate
I was also reading in Science News that a number of
December 9th, 2005 at 11:00 pmclimate models show that dry areas get drier and
wet area get wetter with warming. Not good for the
American West.
Judd said he was going to ban those, such as Ryan Neat, who do nothing but engage in ad hominem attacks in violation of the Terms of Use. When is Judd going to keep his promise?
That’s not what Judd said. You are cognitively impaired.
Ryan, thank you for confirming what I said, “In July 1999, the United States Senate voted 95-0…â€
I believe the year was 1997. You are definitely cognitively impaired.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:00 pmKillCon,
wwallace is clearly violating the terms of use, by intentionally posting lies repeatedly for the purposes of propaganda and harrassment.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:02 pmChinas Population is four times greater than americas population.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:03 pmThey are not filthy rich by the way.
did you know the rich goeth to Hell?
wwallace is a phony. He lied about Clinton, and changed the subject when he got caught :()
Comment by Ryan Neat
You are correct, Ryan. But the truth is, you have done a fantastic job keeping these punk ass clowns honest at this site. You deserve a break. Don’t let them get under your skin. I know you find them as repulsive and repugnant as the rest of us, but ignore them. They are history and they know it. They can see it all slipping thru their greedy, grasping little fingers and there is nothing they can do about it except try to goad you into doing something to get you in trouble so they can point to the only victory they will be seeing for the next 30 years. Don’t give them the satisfaction.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:05 pmSpudgeboy may indeed be the son of God. Maybe we all are.
Spudge, LoL, I saw the spelling error and then when I read your post # 76 I LMAO.
Don’t worry, I make spelling errors all the time in here. This stuff is rapid fire, so anyone caught up on spelling errors has just run out of valid arguments.
As for the Historical Jesus, I could go on and on. It’s really interesting stuff.
One things for sure, he came here, looked around and said, “what the hell are you all doing?”. Then we got mad at him, killed him, and he split.
But I hear he’ll be back.
If so, I’ll bet when he gets here, he’s gonna be pissed when he sees what they did to his teachings.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:08 pmKillCon,
They don’t get under my skin, they actually cause a ‘pity’ response in me. I figure I’m giving karma a helping hand, and simply reflecting what they put out. For some reason, it’s what I do well, and it’s actually little to no effort on my part…
I’m just glad I can correct all of their lies, and deceptive talking points so easily. It helps those who haven’t had the time or inclination to go dig around for every detail needed to debunk these losers…
I have to say, that for a group of people with SUCH strong opinions, they all seem woefully ignorant of the topics the profess to feel strongly about. It’s really shocking to see how deluded and obviously mentally ill they are… Poor little things…
December 9th, 2005 at 11:09 pmI think the Jesus thread is somewhere else,
this is on the climate conference and the
ExxonMobil administration walking out
on it.
Comment by afterthought —
God is ubiquitous and omnipresent. he’s just not omnipotent… unless he can make a mountain he can’t lift or a river he cannot swim. No absolutes in a closed system.
One of Kurt Gödel’s theorems.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:10 pmBut it does NOT excuse them of outright BIGOTRY!!!
It’s against the LAW!!! It’s a HATE CRIME!!!
I’m ashamed that TP still ALLOWS that person here.
Stop pussy-footing around and DO what you said you would do, TP!
December 9th, 2005 at 11:10 pmEnough is enough.
worfeus,
We all are, jesus said it himself. He studied buddhism and hinduism in india, and it’s strongly reflected in his teachings.
The upanishads in particular seem to ring through his vedic style and specific view of the universe that is ENTIRELY different from judaism.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:11 pmSorry, make that…
He/She/It is just not omnipotent… et cetera… et cetera.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:12 pmJust let Judd and the fine folks at Think Progress do what they will do. The rest of us will do what we are going to do. I’d like to see the only ones whining about comments here be the wingnuts on the right.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:14 pmSpudge, the fact the Kyoto treaty would cost a lot and have virtually no effect on the climate is the reason not to support it.
Pointing out the fact Clinton is still a huge phony was a separate issue.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:15 pm“did you know the rich goeth to Hell?
Comment by sarcasm-impaired ASSOCIATION”
I hope not, otherwise I’m screwed! :)
I think the point is that if you’re rich that you have a greater obligation to society in order to achieve moral parity. And that you’ll have more temptation because of your wealth to be immoral. I would say that these are reasonable assumptions that don’t preclude the wealthy from divinity, but that do slow it down.
Don’t forget that buddha was a wealthy prince, but to achieve enlightment he left all of his wealth behind and lived as a holy man. He did however later state that he could have achieved enlightment without this sacrifice, but surely the path of buddhism would have produced others that would have assured his success…
Just my little rant :)
December 9th, 2005 at 11:16 pmAnd Ryan, you just do whatever you like. You are entitled. I’ve seen them attack you mercilessly since months ago. Because you made them look stupid. I suppose anyone with patience and a brain can do that. I lack the patience, maybe even the brain.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:16 pmSpudgeboy is the avatar.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:17 pmA must Read
19 ¶ There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
December 9th, 2005 at 11:33 pm20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
STOP with the bible crap!
It’s a STORY!!! Parables and such.
It’s not LAW!
And it doesn’t belong on a POLITICAL site.
Seperation, don’t ‘cha know.
Stop cramming that book down my throat. Please.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:36 pmWallace, come home – its your turn to make breakfast. Stop fooling about here – besides, everyone knows I am the brains of our outfit.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:41 pmTrue Blue, That Bible may or may not save your life.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:41 pmavoiding the issue hurts.
seperation? separation cha? you
December 9th, 2005 at 11:42 pmStop trying to save my life, thank you
December 9th, 2005 at 11:43 pm[...] … the rest of the world makes progress, yet our leader knows best. Yer either with us, or against us. Quite a way to do business. Bush Delegation Stages “Walk Out†at Climate Talks [...]
December 9th, 2005 at 11:46 pmDogs have “souls”?
Cats don’t?
How about the poor antelope taken down by a lioness?
They have souls?
What about the lion?
If we are all a “CREATION” of God, shouldn’t we all?
OR, are we SOOOO Egotistical that we think we are ABOVE all the other animals and will go to Heaven?
So, I guess we are “Chosen”?
No!
December 9th, 2005 at 11:48 pmWe live. We die. That’s it.
I’m a scientist. Human Genome Project.
We share 99% of our DNA with MICE.
Do THEY go to “the promised land”?
Please.
EGOS, all.
Not just your life, but, all 280 million american lives. from tyranny and propaganda.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:49 pmHow Tyranny Came to America (aka God, Man, and Law)
http://www.sobran.com/tyranny.shtml
Nazi Propaganda (1933-1945)
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ww2era.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
I understand scientist dont believe in God anyways, nut, thes a matter of opinion. however, if you could save just one life, would you try?
December 9th, 2005 at 11:51 pmhehe. got in a hurry. supposed to read; but, thats a matter of opinion.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:53 pmActually most famous scientists did believe in some form of diety. In fact, Einstein stated in his later years that the clockwork like precision of the universe and the mathematical correctness of it, point to the fingerprints of a higher intelligence.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:54 pmSir Issac Newton, Galileo Galilei
December 9th, 2005 at 11:56 pmAnd W is doing this for all the world to see. Talk about an ugly American. This guy is putrid! Will I ever dare to show my face in Europe again?
Comment by WaltTheMan
Oh I’m sure you won’t have any trouble ingratiating yourself to the Zeropeans. They love self hating Americans.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 9, 2005 @ 7:34 pm
I still stand by my original quote.
December 9th, 2005 at 11:59 pmW is -
An idiot
A Cheney tool
A traitor
A liar
- Pick all that apply.
A Must read for all;
December 10th, 2005 at 12:01 amHow Tyranny Came to America (aka God, Man, and Law)
http://www.sobran.com/tyranny.shtml
The beauty of it is that the people don’t have to invent a new system of government in order to get rid of this one. They only have to restore the one described in the Constitution — the system our government already professes to be upholding. Taken seriously, the Constitution would pose a serious threat to our form of government.
And for just that reason, the ruling parties will be finished as soon as the American people rediscover and awaken their dormant Constitution
December 10th, 2005 at 12:03 amWorfeus,
December 10th, 2005 at 12:03 amThose folks are HUNDREDS of years ago.Galileo was found guity of crimes against “god”, for crying out loud. He DARED say the sun did NOT revolve around the Earth??? Bad choice.
Even Darwin succumbed to the PRESSURE of religion to include a “God” reference in his book.
But it’s just that. Bending to pressure.
Hmmm, kinda like things are going NOW!
Why do WE go on and not every other organism on this earth?
True Blue, Did you pickup on this? please , at least skim over it.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:06 amA Must read for all;
How Tyranny Came to America (aka God, Man, and Law)
http://www.sobran.com/tyranny.shtml
hot tip,
I will not read any propaganda you post
God has been a “reason” for too many wars.
I will not entertain it
December 10th, 2005 at 12:10 amWell, then, suit yourself. but when reality hits you. dont say you wasnt warned.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:13 ampeace.
Can’t we PLEASE get back to the topic???
December 10th, 2005 at 12:13 amNO GOD STUFF.
NO NO NO NO!
dont say you wasnt warned.
WEREN’T warned……
December 10th, 2005 at 12:15 amty &gn.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:17 amBTW
I am sure many in here are sick and tired of my waxing biblical, so I will offer this as way of explanation.
Bush and Co have consistently used the bible as a basis for their rule, and touted Bushes conversion to Jesusism as a banner to the Christian right. Those that want to argue that point are delusional. In fact, he has passed legislation to fund churches with tax dollars and under the guise of his “faith based initiativesâ€. He even quoted Jesus in his historic speech to the nation “those who aren’t with us are against usâ€. (Luke 11:23 He that is not with me, is against me).
And when he did, I saw him for the cheap hack he was. Ever since I was a young man, and studied the bible, I could spot a snake oil salesmen preacher from a mile away.
And I saw Bush coming, playing the religious right like a cheap banjo.
So forgive me if I occasionally wax biblical. It’s just some of us know the Bible too, and we don’t remember seeing any of dubya’s bs in there, unless of course you consider the obscure references to the Anti-Christ.
As long as Bush and co put themselves up as the shining example of American Christians, I will be glad to clarify the facts.
In fact, it’s my pleasure :D
December 10th, 2005 at 12:26 amBTW
I am sure many in here are sick and tired of my waxing biblical, so I will offer this as way of explanation.
Not me. I find it all a fascinating subject, comparative religions and mythology. I am a big fan of Joseph Campbell. Metaphysics is a fascinating subject as well, but politics, OTOH, is an ugly and rough science. It is war carried on by more or less peaceful means.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:43 amhot tip,
I will not read any propaganda you post
God has been a “reason†for too many wars.
I will not entertain it
Comment by True Blue
I don’t think God started any wars. People’s misapprehension, misunderstanding and misuse and abuse of their own, and others’s religious doctrines have led to a few “disagreements”
December 10th, 2005 at 12:47 amComment by KillCon 2006 — December 10, 2005
Amen brother, amen.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:48 amHot Tip,
I see your point. The constitution does not say anything about an Air Force. It is not “enumerated”. It is unconstitutional and it must be disbanded immediately. The Bible does mention angels so I suppose it can be allowed if we let the Christians run it. They have been trying to do just that.
What a wingnut!
December 10th, 2005 at 12:51 amTrue Blue,
Don’t confuse “God” or things of a spiritual nature with religions or religious dogma. They are not mutually inclusive. In fact, at times in our history they are actually more mutually exclusive than not. This is one of those times.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:56 am### I think stopping Saddams’ rape, torture, murder, etc. was the moral position.###
Comment by wwallace — December 9, 2005 @ 10:45 pm
As opposed to our rape, torture and murder?
Or what do you call shoving a plunger handle up someones ass, while forcing him to wear womens panties, and perfom oral sex on his brother?
Oh yea, spreading democracy.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:02 amOr what do you call shoving a plunger handle up someones ass, while forcing him to wear womens panties, and perfom oral sex on his brother?
Oh yea, spreading democracy.
Comment by WORFEUS
He calls it what it is… spreading buttcheeks. Something he does on a regular basis with his boyfriend.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:06 amRYAN said ### “worfeus, We all are,(sons of God) jesus said it himself.
Actually thats correct. In fact, he said more.
John 10:34
I know some people think that scientists don’t believe in God, but I suggest reading some of the writings of this medical scientist, M. Scott Peck, who investigates this very subject in his best selling book, “The Road Less Traveled”.
Its a pretty heady notion but there is evidence of this concept throughout the bible.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:14 amMan did I wander…..:|
Kinda like the Bush admin did at the climate change conference :P
December 10th, 2005 at 1:16 amI just sorta, walked out.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:17 am“And behold, I saw Bush coming, playing the religious right like a cheap banjo”
WORFEUS 20:20
December 10th, 2005 at 1:36 ampoor wwallace. I guess any attention is better than being ignored….even if it is all negative. I’ll bet wwallace ,I-R-I, and the rest of the Beta-monkeys live a terribly lonely and impotent existance.
Imagine having to be an apologist day after day after day for these incompetent criminals. I’d have more respect for them if they were doing it for a patcheck. To do it, for attention…well, that’s downright pathetic.
But they are fun to watch performing their tricks…thus, here’s a banana for each beta-monkey who keeps us entertained -> (
December 10th, 2005 at 1:55 am#124
So, you are saying that 180 countries and crap loads of world scholars are wrong?
December 10th, 2005 at 2:09 amThere is nothing wrong with being rich, it is being greedy you have to watch out for. Greed is one of the seven deadly sins.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:13 amAlso, I have always felt that religion and politics go hand in hand. Why? Because the religions rule the politics.
Remember who we are fighting in Iraq? Islamic Fundimentalists.
Who started the war in Iraq? Christian Fundalmentalists.
That is why yo ucannot seperate the two that far. They are enter twined more than I like.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:22 amThere is nothing wrong with being rich, it is being greedy you have to watch out for. Greed is one of the seven deadly sins.
Comment by SpudgeBoy
And liberality is one of the 7 contrary virtues:
The Seven Contrary Virtues:
humility, kindness, abstinence, chastity, patience, liberality, diligence
December 10th, 2005 at 4:17 am
As far as I can tell, I can’t find “conservatism” anywhere in that mix. Unless you count the cardinal virtue of prudence, which is hardly the hallmark of your modern day “radical conservative” and even those four Cardinal Virtues of prudence, temperance, courage, justice come to us from the classical Greek philosophers who considered prudence, temperance, courage, and justice to be the foremost virtues. Early Christian Church theologians adopted these virtues and considered them to be equally important to all people, whether they were Christian or not. As far as I can tell, conservatives are just godless scum and the spawn of Satan.
December 10th, 2005 at 4:28 amI just got done seeing Syriana starring George Clooney and Matt Damon. While some here might just want to wash this away as Hollywood hub-dub, I can’t help to think how well this motion picture nailed or for a better word, portrayed Big Oil in the US, as well as Saudi Arabia (which isn’t named once in the filmed, but its obvious what country they’re trying to portray)
I highly recommend to all of you to see this movie.
December 10th, 2005 at 4:36 amSpudge, the fact the Kyoto treaty would cost a lot and have virtually no effect on the climate is the reason not to support it.
Pointing out the fact Clinton is still a huge phony was a separate issue.
Comment by wwallace — December 9, 2005 @ 11:15 pm
The fact that the war in Iraq is costing billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of innocent lives that had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism or 9/11 is the reason not to support it.
Pointing out the fact that Bush is a huge phony is the same issue and part and parcel of the problem. As soon as that moron is gone from politics for good, the climate will improve.
December 10th, 2005 at 4:42 amMany scientists claim that there is a direct link between disasters like Katrina and global warming. If that’s true, and if it’s only going to get worse, why doesn’t the US vetify Kyoto and push ahead on the post-Kyoto programme? Wouldn’t simple self-interest suggest that this as the best course of action?
Sorry, I don’t have a direct link for these claims (there’s loads on the web), but from what I can gather and remember, the environment is one of the few things that get scientists of all stripes hot under the collar. It’s one of the few things that get them upset enough to question the politicos who hold the moneybags. I’m sure there are Republicans upset about environmental damage as well — the world needs you to form a coalition on this issue.
December 10th, 2005 at 7:03 amwwallace,
December 10th, 2005 at 7:09 amWhile irrelevent please continue your comparison of Bush and Clinton. Bush can’t even fill a room, no one wants to hear the lie spin. Clinton fills the house, Bush could only hope people wanted to hear him like that. Bush will have to live in exile when he finishes office because everyone hates him. Clinton and Carter continue to have foundations that do many works of kindness throughout the world. You neocon pukes can only throw around Clinton when your ass is getting kicked. You’re all loosers.
Also, the fact that 180 countries managed to reach agreement so quickly must surely be significant. (How often does this happen for god’s sake!)Big oil and the energy lobby has representatives in all countries of the world. Something must have happened to get this level of agreement, something finally getting through about the severity of the issue, and despite the power and influence of Big Oil. I’m sure a lot of US scientists are helping government leaders around the world see the big picture as well. Surely they can get through to Bush and Co?
December 10th, 2005 at 7:15 amDid any of you f*cking liberals ever stop to consider that maybe, just maybe, there could be another reason for global warming besides man? We have about as much power to stop global warming as we had starting it. Now that we have satellites orbiting Mars, we have discovered that the Mars polar caps have been melting. It would be pretty hard to blame that on us. So maybe, there is another reason for global warming like the sun? We just don’t have enough historical data around what the sun has been doing for the past few millions or even thousands of years. But the first thing liberals want us to do is to sign some idiotic protocal weakening us as a nation. Why don’t you all go out to Walmart and buy a f*cking clue!
December 10th, 2005 at 7:53 amwe did. science, not Bush’s favorite subject, tells us otherwise.
December 10th, 2005 at 8:16 amRandy, there is dispute among scientists and politicians as to what may be causing global warming. Greenhouse gases may be one cause, there are others possibly including the sun. China and India, the 2 fastest growing industrial nations are not legally bound to reduce emissions as the US would be if they signed. Maybe we shouldn’t sign until there are requirements for everyone.I don’t know for sure.
December 10th, 2005 at 8:37 amBut your “ditto head” screed just proves that you listen to the radio. Rush and the echo chamber don’t know anything other than to sneer and smear anyone or anything that criticizes the President. This despite the fact that Bush is the first 3rd party president to ever occupy the office.
He’s definitely not a Democrat, but he’s no Republican,either. The Republican party I’ve belonged to my whole life stood for personal and fiscal responsibility. The deficit and the rate of growth in the size of government, the fastest growth in both ever (from the Cato Institute), proves that point,
Republicans also stood for pragmatic policies, with capable people to carry them out. Rumsfeld has made so many mistakes it’s hard to catalogue them (see the quarterly reports at http://www.sigir.mil) M.Brown,Libby,Rice,Bolton: incompetent every one.
So, Randy, you keep letting Rush and the boys tell you what to think and then pass it along to others if you must, but try to develop a vocabulary large enough to paraphrase your liege lords without resorting to scatology.
Hey TJM, what do we look like to you down here, from way high up there?
December 10th, 2005 at 9:40 amIt’s baffling. They creeped into power through every devisive tactic imaginable. And, they wreck everything.
Never forget the “response” to Katrina.
Never forget the “response” to the briefings about Osama Bin Laden’s desire to use commercial aircraft as weapons on American soil.
Never forget the exploitation of 9/11 victims and bashing of war veterans during the last presidential campaign.
Never forget the insulting press events like “Mission Accomplished”.
Never forget the thousands of young men and women who have given up life and limb for a lying president.
Never forget the billions of dollars taken from the sick, the elderly and the neediest Americans to be given to the rich.
Never forget allies turning their backs on America because of Bush.
Failure upon failure… all for the Halliburton’s of the world.
Yes. Be very angry. Organize and plan and get rid of these people forever.
December 10th, 2005 at 9:50 amOkay,then. Randy and grounded,together you make a nice set.possibly bookends,I don’t know for sure. Just as there’s a difference between dumb and stupid,so is there a similar gulf between smart and intelligent. Try not ot confuse the two.
December 10th, 2005 at 9:54 amDID YOU SEE KAREN HUGHES, THE US GLOBAL PR POINT PERSON AKA UNDER SECRETARY OF STATE ON DIPLOMACY OR SOME SUCH TITLE, ON CHARLIE ROSE A FEW DAYS AGO? Hughes is one of the few pros working for Bush, but the rest of this failed Administration has given her nothing to work with so she sounded like a fool. She said:
1. The US doesn’t torture, and the people who are responsible for it have all been punished.
2. The US respects the “policy” of the Geneva Convention.
3. The US doesn’t knowingly send people to places where they may be tortured.
4. Even right after 9/11 the world had a bad opinion of America. This is the old, it’s nothing new/not our fault/we’re not responsible BS.
5. Polls show that the people in Iraq support our presence there, and that people around the Middle East have got it all wrong.
6. Lot’s of ridiculous syncophantic crap about Bush. She calls him “thoughtful,” among other things.
7. The media doesn’t write about all the progress we’re making in Iraq. In fact, however, Krugman and others recently thoroughly debunked Karen’s silly notion that quality of life has improved in Iraq.
8. China admittedly scores better than us in world opinion, but it’s not due to any mistakes in our policy, but rather due to the fact that China has no free press. She cited as an example that China recently imprisoned a reporter. Karen cut Rose off when he started to mention NYT’s Judith Miller.
9. Her tone was uncharacteristically hyperactive and desperate. She was grasping for things that she could “connect” on, like stories about individuals whose life was somehow improved by Bush’s policy.
10. She prattled on about how people love Americans but hate America. She totally misses that it’s our government and our policy that America hates.
This is so sad. Something’s gotta give soon.
December 10th, 2005 at 10:02 amI Have A Serious Serious Question. Who told you that You are Free?
December 10th, 2005 at 10:12 amDid God Tell You? Or Did Your Church tell you? Did bush tell you? Maybe Adam or Eve?
So it is written in the Bible? Where?
And if the Bible is Wrong?
God never came down and told me You are Free.
Help me on this one.
And who are we to set nations free?
Isnt it america that put Saddam in power in the first place?
Isnt it America that supported the Taliban against Russia?
Isnt it America that Set Kuwait Free?
If no one sat America free, then, what right does america have to set others free?
December 10th, 2005 at 10:16 amfreedom dosnt work for the working poor.
once the working poor become the working rich(haha).
then the woking rich forget where they came from. so do thier sons and daughters.
And why is Bushcos ratings goimg up? this is an insult to all who have Died for bushes freedoms!
Updated: 3:54 p.m. ET Dec. 9, 2005
WASHINGTON – President Bush’s improved standing with whites, men, Catholics and other core supporters has been a key factor in pushing his job approval rating up to 42 percent. That’s the highest level since summer.
Shifting into campaign mode to reverse his slide in public opinion polls, Bush has boosted his support among key constituency groups —
December 10th, 2005 at 10:18 amAmerica is not free. Whats so free about big corruptorations and big Brother watching you?
December 10th, 2005 at 10:21 amI find Other places Alot freer than America. If I could, I would Move to a Freer nation.
Bushes ratings should NEVER Go Up. I think media is making this Up. I hope it isnt true.
Updated: 3:54 p.m. ET Dec. 9, 2005
December 10th, 2005 at 10:23 amWASHINGTON – President Bush’s improved standing with whites, men, Catholics and other core supporters has been a key factor in pushing his job approval rating up to 42 percent. That’s the highest level since summer.
Is It possible Propaganda?
December 10th, 2005 at 10:24 amtyranny and Propaganda.
December 10th, 2005 at 10:47 amlook it up.
RE: Approval rating up to 42%.
Just wait until the George “I don’t pay attention to polls” Bush & Co. start spouting these numbers over the next week or so.
December 10th, 2005 at 11:13 amI Have A Serious Serious Question. Who told you that You are Free?
Did God Tell You?
So it is written in the Bible? Where?
John 8:36
Sorry HOT TIP, not trying to be a smart arse, but since you asked :D
But I did get your point.
Personally I think its more like this, Freedom is something that you take upon yourself. America took it’s freedom by throwing out the occupying British army and the control of the King in the process.
Freedom has to be worked at. It is something earned, not given. And the Iraqi people had not yet earned it.
People live with the governments they are willing to tolerate. When they are no longer willing to tolerate a government, they will incur change.
What we did, is decide we knew what was best for the Iraqi people, and we decided to take away their free will, their free agency, and force them on the road to democracy.
And I bet stop at the first off ramp they see.
December 10th, 2005 at 11:54 amDarn typos, And I bet they stop at the first off ramp they see. :)
December 10th, 2005 at 11:57 am[...] Think Progress Not content with simply remaining outside the international agreements on climate change, the Bush administration is now trying to block other countries from making progress without it. [...]
December 10th, 2005 at 12:03 pmWORFEUS ,(not trying to be a SA, But,
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:28 pmIs the Son God? and why the If?
Jesus only stated that because he was being Interrogated by the Crowd.
It was the Crowd saying(”But did You not say we were Free?) and and Jesus replied”IF”.
December 10th, 2005 at 12:31 pmWORFEUS
December 10th, 2005 at 12:44 pmIn other words Jesus was saying “No, I did Not say You was Free, You say that I say game”.
Speaking of sons, IRI is the illegitimate son of Condi and shrub….
December 10th, 2005 at 12:45 pmDid any of you f*cking liberals ever stop to consider that maybe, just maybe, there could be another reason for global warming besides man? We have about as much power to stop global warming as we had starting it. Now that we have satellites orbiting Mars, we have discovered that the Mars polar caps have been melting. It would be pretty hard to blame that on us. So maybe, there is another reason for global warming like the sun? We just don’t have enough historical data around what the sun has been doing for the past few millions or even thousands of years. But the first thing liberals want us to do is to sign some idiotic protocal weakening us as a nation. Why don’t you all go out to Walmart and buy a f*cking clue!
Comment by Randy — December 10, 2005 @ 7:53 am
What a clueless fvcking moron!
December 10th, 2005 at 1:03 pmWORFEUS, comparing a few isolated bad actions by US personnel that have been prosecuted to the systematic state sanctioned torture, rape, and murder perpetrated for years by Saddam Hussein is moral idiocy on a grand scale.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:04 pmAnd here comes another clueless fvcking moron…
Comment by wwallace — December 10, 2005 @
Yanno, you two bozos make Hot Tip look smart…
We just don’t have enough historical data around what the sun has been doing for the past few millions or even thousands of years.
You know what our sun is, dumbass? A star. Not even a special star, a garden variety any old star like billions of others throughout our galaxy alone, nevermind the entire universe. And yanno what else, dumbass? Stars have a very specific life cycle that we know all about. Yanno why we know all about it, dumbass? Because every time we look through a telescope at a star just like our sun, or any star at any stage in its life cycle we are not just looking at an object at a great distance from us. We are looking back in time millions and millions of years because that’s how long, depending on the distance that obnject is from us, it takkes for that light to reach us here on earth, ignorant, clueless primordial toad. So, in point of fact, we happen to have the very information your complete ignorance of astro-physics supposes. Disgusting ignorance like yours should be penalized.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:14 pmKillCon’s post #199 clearly violates the site Terms of Use. As an aside, it is also filled with atrocious spelling and grammar.
December 10th, 2005 at 1:27 pmKillCon 2006 , Please do not classify me with wwallace and whoever yanno is,(Do NOT Classify me as Smart.)
December 10th, 2005 at 1:54 pmBeing smart is an Insult.
Classify me with you, (Wise, Commonsense, horsesense, understsnding, etc… whatever you want to name it).
BUT, Please, not Smart.
I dropped out at 10th grade.
my Dad dropped out at 7th grade.
Wow, for pretending to be tough-guys,
December 10th, 2005 at 1:56 pmthe wing-nuttery sure whines a lot.
Greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide, depletion of the ozone layer, etc, etc…
Is this what caused the Bushie girls to look and act like mutant trolls?
December 10th, 2005 at 2:46 pm#203 clearly violates the site Terms of Use, as well as basic human decency.
December 10th, 2005 at 2:48 pmWe should listen to the Bush administration on the consequences of greenhouse gas caps. They know a lot about damaging the U.S. economy.
December 10th, 2005 at 3:00 pm#203 clearly violates the site Terms of Use, as well as basic human decency.
Comment by wwallace
I agree wwwallace, those Bushie girls are a real example of what polution does to our environment. They should be banned or quarantined.
December 10th, 2005 at 3:12 pmtwoplustwoisfive, the US economy is growing at over 4% and the unemployment rate is only 5%. It doesn’t get much better than that.
Susan has no arguments, and so engages in petty, mean-spirited ad hominem attacks, in clear violation of the site Terms of Use.
December 10th, 2005 at 3:49 pm#207 clearly violates the site Terms of Use, as well as basic human decency.
December 10th, 2005 at 4:11 pmwwallace isn’t smart enough to know that the current gdp growth is lower than the AVERAGE growth under clinton.
wwallace isn’t smart enough to realize that the unemployment rate only tracks those who qualify for unemployment benefits, it doesn’t track ‘jobless’ rates which are embarrassing under bush.
Only someone who is braindead and didn’t look at the economic statistics of the Clinton administration would believe that it doesn’t get ‘better’ than this. Clearly wwallace violates the terms of use with his lies and propaganda and hate rhetoric.
December 10th, 2005 at 4:22 pmClinton? A REAL president? Him and gore butchered kyoto and never signed it either.
December 10th, 2005 at 6:35 pmwhatever happened to Ross perot?
December 10th, 2005 at 7:02 pmThe US economy has declined at a steady rate of about 3% since W took office. The stock market did recover after 9/11, but that was merely a correction after panic. On average the exchanges have been either in decline or on hold since W was selected. With the exception of Ike, this has been a trend with Republican administrations dating as far back as Grant.
December 10th, 2005 at 7:52 pmThe size of the workforce has declined while the population has increased. They just popped another 700,000 or so, just due to the non-response to Katrina.
The US economy has declined at a steady rate of about 3% since W took office. The stock market did recover after 9/11, but that was merely a correction after panic. On average the exchanges have been either in decline or on hold since W was selected. With the exception of Ike, this has been a trend with Republican administrations dating as far back as Grant.
The size of the workforce has declined while the population has increased. They just popped another 700,000 or so, just due to the non-response to Katrina.
HOT TIP
Thanks for 195 and 196, however I have read the text several times, and I am quite aware of the context in which he spoke.
If you go back and read the post I was responding to, and the way in which mine was delivered, it was meant to be humorous, albeit dry.
Guess it wasn’t.
December 10th, 2005 at 9:01 pmWORFEUS, comparing a few isolated bad actions by US personnel that have been prosecuted to the systematic state sanctioned torture, rape, and murder perpetrated for years by Saddam Hussein is moral idiocy on a grand scale.
Comment by wwallace — December 10, 2005
Ahh,I see,very subtle, you crafty devil, calling me a moral idiot in such a roundabout way. Well done.
However if you think that the only actions are those that happened to be caught on camera, then your not a moral idiot, just an idiot. :D
December 10th, 2005 at 9:23 pmWORFEUS,Hang in there. I,m with you. I just dont have as much time as wwalace. sorry
December 10th, 2005 at 9:41 pmWORFEUS,Hang in there. I,m with you. I just dont have as much time as wwalace. sorry, I dont get paid to comment.
December 10th, 2005 at 9:42 pmKillCon’s post #199 clearly violates the site Terms of Use. As an aside, it is also filled with atrocious spelling and grammar.
Comment by wwallace — December 10, 2005 @ 1:27 pm
I do that on purpose so you Busheviks, and the little chimperor himself, can comprehend it better. He reads this site, yanno. He thinks I’m a funny guy. Funny ha-ha. He thinks you are a funny guy too, but funny strange. Is our children reading?
December 10th, 2005 at 10:27 pmOn October 18, 1944 Hitler knew Germany was defeated, and Berlin was about to be overrun by the Russian and American armies, so Hitler ordered all remaining men capable of shooting a rifle into service in the “peoples-storm†to defend Berlin and the Vaderland.
They did not have a chance of victory, their only mission was to impede the enemies progress and hold out as long as possible.
They were the last stand of dying regime.
I consider wwallace, mightyaprhrodite, and I-RIGHT-I to be such soldiers.
The last bastion of evil but dying regime sent here to fire their measly and feeble shots from their government issued peashooters, against the rolling onslaught of the mighty Shermans driving up to their doorsteps.
They are just the republicans Volkssturm, nothing more
December 11th, 2005 at 1:14 amThe WORFEUS standard of evidence, “However if you think that the only actions are those that happened to be caught on camera, then your not a moral idiot, just an idiot. :D”
i.e. just because we didn’t see something on film, does not prove it didn’t happen.
Well by that standard, just because we don’t have film of WORFEUS raping, torturing, and killing his neighbors cat, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. :D
December 11th, 2005 at 10:34 amNo wwallace, that’s not correct. See, you have to have a somewhat scientific mind in order to understand logic.
In the 14th century, an English Logician by the name of William of Ockham said,
Since I can safely assume you paid as much attention to your Latin teacher as you did your ethics instructers, this translates into essentially;
This standard has become known as “Ockham’s Razor†and has served the scientific community well for the 700 years.
Using reasonable logic of this nature, which is simpler?
That the only incidents of prisoner abuse, out of the 50,.000 + prisoners “processed†through Abu Ghraib prison and others, the only incidents to happen, just happened to be all caught on camera, and that the only pictures taken, of the only incidents of abuse, just happened to find their way into the public eye?
or…
Is it more likely that these pictures and video are merely photographs taken of a common practice, and therefore it was inevitable that they would eventually find their way into the public eye?
Now I know you will likely chose the former wwallace, because you, like most right wingers, act on emotions, balling and crying over how brave you all are, and ignore logic and scientific reason, but it does not diminish one iota from the rest of the worlds capability to discern.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:26 amyou little volkssturm you….;)
December 11th, 2005 at 11:28 amWORFEUS: By your logic, if there are crimes reported in a city of 160,000 people, that’s evidence the mayor approved and authorized the crimes.
But I’m sure Saddam would be touched by your undying support.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:53 amWORFEUS: By your logic, if there are crimes reported in a city of 160,000 people, that’s evidence the mayor approved and authorized the crimes.
Comment by wwallace — December 11, 2005 @ 11:53 am
That was not my logic you bonehead, I merely referenced scientific logic, something obviously foreign to you based on the idiotic babble you printed above.
In fact, at this point your moronic ramblings have lost me.
Was that supposed to be a coherent sentence?
As that statement, whatever it’s meaning, in no way is associated with the logic of Sir William Ockham, who was the foundation for my assertations.
Try not to speak my little volkssturm, just lie there and rest…:|
December 11th, 2005 at 12:05 pmWorfeus, your pointless ad hominem rants violate the site Terms of Use.
Why don’t you try making a point instead?
December 11th, 2005 at 12:07 pmGo back and read 219 and 222. There are clear and poignant lessons coupled with historic facts (something all your posts lack) that everyone here can plainly read.
I can’t help it if that microscopic Ball Bearing inside of your cranium is incapable of comprehending it, but your inability to formulate a coherent argument does not deter from it’s relevence.
Perhaps you should have paid more attention in those special ed classes your mommy sent you to, that is when you weren’t eating glue and beating up the smaller kids.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:26 pmWorfeus, read #225 again.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:34 pmI did read your moot point in 225, and it makes zero sense, and is not at all pertinent to the discussion.
See, I never discussed blame. Which is the basis of your statement.
Here let me say it again.
I NEVER DISCUSSED BLAME.
I discussed the likelyhood that the incidents that just happened to be captured on film, were the only incidents.
But here, let me use your silly little argument to further my point since you can’t wrap that atomized matter in your skull around a simple to understand concept.
In post 225 wwallace said: WORFEUS: By your logic, if there are crimes reported in a city of 160,000 people, that’s evidence the mayor approved and authorized the crimes.
Since I did not even mention blame in my post, but I did address probability and outcome, lets use your example.
Now lets say someone took pictures or video of a crime in progress, and those pictures were shown on the evening news.
Now would it make more sense to assume that those videos or pictures of the crime in progress reflected the ONLY crimes taking place in New York?
Or is it more likely that these pictures or video were merely a reflection of a common practice occuring regularly throughout the city?
But hey, thanks for making my point, genius.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again, you really are your own worst enemy.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:52 pmWorfeus, since I didn’t claim they were the only incidents, and since whether they were the only incidents or not had nothing whatsoever to do with my argument, you obviously have basic reading comprehension and/or dishonesty problems too dire to overcome.
That there may have been crimes committed that were not captured on film (you of course provided no evidence for this) in no way demonstrates that there were acts committed that were officially sanctioned, the way Saddam’s crimes were. Anyone who cannot or will not recognize that basic distinction is either incapable of reason, or an outright apologist and efendder of Saddam.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:58 pmWorfeus, incidentally, capturing a crime on film tells us absolutely nothing about the frequency of that crime. In other words, your entire argument is nonsense.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:00 pmSee the beauty of the blog, is that delusional liars like you can’t run from what you just posted.
Right above here, in post 221 wwallace said:
i.e. just because we didn’t see something on film, does not prove it didn’t happen.
Well by that standard, just because we don’t have film of WORFEUS raping, torturing, and killing his neighbors cat, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. :D
But then, in post 230, right above this one, wwallace said:
It was your argument, dumbass.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:05 pmOther readers will note that I quoted Worfeus in #221. So it was his “dumbass’ argument. ROFL
December 11th, 2005 at 1:08 pmGod you’re stupid. I mean really, really stupid.
Do you honestly think people can’t see where your quote of me ended, and your words began?
You quoted me saying,
Then you countered my argument that the only actions are those that happened to be caught on camera, by saying,
Are we learning yet stupid? You DID argue the point.
You are whats wrong with the republican party, you are a LIAR. You make an argument against me in print for all to see, and then, you are stupid enough to DENY you ever said it.
God you are stupid, I mean really really stupid.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:18 pmAnd I am stupid for ever arguing with a mentally handicapped moron, who can’t even understand his own miserable arguments.
How can one argue with an uneducated fool?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:20 pmHere again is the typical ‘argument” from the left: “God you’re stupid. I mean really, really stupid.”
I obviously did not, as Worfeus asserts, argue “that the only actions are those that happened to be caught on camera”. Whether Worfeus is too stupid to comprehend what I said or too dishonest to admit it only he can know.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:23 pmBTW, before you moronic ass jumps on this typo,
Then you countered my argument that the only actions are those that happened to be caught on camera, by saying, , actually reads,
December 11th, 2005 at 1:25 pm
You are a LIAR. Go back and re-read your argument, LIAR.
I ARGUED
THEN YOU ARGUED BACK SAYING
Well by that standard, just because we don’t have film of WORFEUS raping, torturing, and killing his neighbors cat, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. :D
It’s pretty funny to watch you squirm now, like a little brat liar, sitting there telling his mommy with choclate all over his face, “no mommy, I did’nt eat the candy”.
Your a liar, and I don’t care what you whine about, you made the argument right there.
Prove me wrong! Show us from that twisted marble in that thick, dense cro-magnon skull of yours what you were arguing then.
Why did you quote my argument, then counter with yours?
Your just a liar, and you just got caught.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:30 pmOh yea, and your kinda of a dick too.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:32 pmHere let me illuminate your argument some more.
See this is called a ironic argument. You are giving a ridiculous example, and using my argument in this ridiculous example, to demonstrate how my argument does not hold water.
Basically, you were implying, albeit jokingly, that I rape, torture and murder my neighbors cat. It was a pun, a pun meant to insult me, and one that attempted to show the absurdity of my previous statement.
And like the idiot you are, you even confirmed it, by posting my statement above yours, to ensure we knew which point you were arguing.
Your nothing more than a liar, and I hate liars.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:38 pmBut hey, don’t let me stop you genius.
The floor is yours.
Explain to us all what you were really trying to say.
Elaborate for us why your countering my argument, my argument that the likelyhood that the pictures that came out of Abu Ghraib were not indicitive of the only abuses, explain to us why your argument of that argument, does not constitute your challenging the point.
Were all ears Einstein.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:44 pmOh and when you are done explaining why your ironic argument against my statement that the pictures that came out of Abu Ghraib were not indicitive of the only abuses was an accident, or whatever excuse or bs you can think of, I will be right here.
Right here to welcome you onboard to the growing group of Americans who believe abuse of prisoners is rampent in our military, and needs to be stopped.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:51 pmWorfeus, putting your lies and illogic in bold or all caps will not make them true or logical.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:53 pmahh, out of ammunition are we? Good.
Cause to be truthful I think your clock is just about as clean as I can get it asshole.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:56 pm#243 clearly violates the site Terms of use, as it is entirely ad hominem, does not address the subject, and contains no arguments.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:04 pmLoL, you are pathetic sister,
picked a fight,
got your ass whooped
and now runnin home cryin to mommy
December 11th, 2005 at 2:07 pmLol, you are fun man, thanks,
feel free to come back again anytime your wittle cuckoo clock needs another cleanin :P
December 11th, 2005 at 2:08 pmBut next time you decide to select me for one of your pathetic Volksturm jabs, make sure you don’t write a check with your keyboard that your brain can’t cash :|
December 11th, 2005 at 2:10 pm#245-247 clearly violate the site Terms of Use as well. Worfeus is only demonstrating that he’s a repeat offender with no respect for the site rules, and no arguments to offer.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:32 pmThats’ it wwallace, keep cryin to momma, cause you got your ass whooped.
Shouldn’t start it if you can’t finish it.
Oh what am I saying? You guys are always doing that. :|
December 11th, 2005 at 2:52 pmI obviously did not, as Worfeus asserts, argue “that the only actions are those that happened to be caught on camera”. Whether Worfeus is too stupid to comprehend what I said or too dishonest to admit it only he can know.
Comment by wwallace — December 11, 2005 @ 1:23 pm
You didn’t argue that the only actions were those captured on camera? Really? So, maybe you need to explain exactly what you meant when you poasted this:
WORFEUS, comparing a few isolated bad actions by US personnel that have been prosecuted to the systematic state sanctioned torture, rape, and murder perpetrated for years by Saddam Hussein is moral idiocy on a grand scale.
Comment by wwallace — December 10, 2005 @ 1:04 pm
The “few isolated bad actions by US personnel that have been prosecuted” -are those that were captured on camera.
What did you mean by that?
And if you didn’t argue that those were the only instances of abuse, does it mean you agree prisoner abuse is a widespread practice?
I am sure WORFEUS really wants to know. I do too.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:52 am[...] Does anyone besides the Bush administration still deny that climate change is happening and we’re causing it? (And even then, do they really disbelieve or is just more profitable to deny it despite the evidence). The latest thing? It looks as if polar bears are drowning. And still, the Bush administration refuses to do anything about it. My favourite line from that last article: Compounding the embarassment, the U.S. delegation actually had to first walk in to the negotiations before they could “walk out,†because they hadn’t been regularly attending the meetings. Filed under: End of Nomaddom, News that annoyed me enough to write about it by Todd Tyrtle | [...]
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December 25th, 2005 at 6:07 amAvoiding a Fate like Mars for Earth: Life on Planet in Imminent Danger
by Raymond Samuels
University of Toronto
Backgrounder:
Ignoring Global Warming risks precipitating a Global Pan-Famine/Starvation from Africa, right into Europe, the United States, and Canada, unless in can be stopped and reversed in a very timely manner. Such a milieu would occur with soaring temperatures, destoying the oceans, with corresponding record drought conditions in agricultural lands, threatening the food supply internationally.
The issue of Global Warming:
There are apparently some people who think that the current “Greenhouse Effect” will simply lead to an “evolutionary” change in the global climate, so that climatic areas in the northern hemisphere like Canada, Scandinavia, Russia, Alaska in the U.S., and Antarctica in the southern hemisphere will become like one big tropical resort area like Tahiti, Cuba, or Jamaica. Soon everyone will be enjoying glorious sunshine, and sipping exotic tropical drinks in Nova Scotia, Baffin Island in the Canadian Arctic, or around the Arctic waters of Siberia, according to people with this apparent view. These people profess a dislike for the cold, and they therefore welcome any change that might eventually get rid of their abhored winter blaaaaahs.
Unfortunately for these people, such a view is not supported by critical scientific evidence, beyond “scientific infomercials” and propaganda pieces that have been sponsored by various well-financed Big Business interests. Indeed, it has been the job of the largely corporate owned mass-media in Canada, and elsewhere, to channel viewers, readers, and listeners into responses which will complement the elite pursuit of insatiable commercial profit. This corporate owned mass-media does not want to draw public attention to the dire fate which awaits the public, if ‘the Economy’ is not rejuvenated in a manner that minimizes social and environmental costs.
The large scale ‘owners of capital’ have structured the prevailing capitalistic economy to principally serve their interests in the pursuit of money, status, and power for themselves. Like heroine or “crack” cocaine drug addicts, ‘capitalistocrats’ have become so addicted to the pursuit of a self-absorbing materialistic lifestyle predicted on money, status, and power, they would much rather apparently destroy our planet, and all life along with it, than to change their ways of drug-like abuse. Indeed, the mass-media in the prevailing capitalistocratic systems of Canada, the United States, United Kingdom, continental Europe, and elsewhere, are no less corrupt than the politicians which they are supposedly “holding accountable”.
The mass-media has apparently covered-up the fate that awaits humanity, and the rest of our planet, if there is not an immediate substantive response to the Global Warming threat beyond the relatively superficial responses associated with the extremely slow responses to fulfilling the relatively superficial Kyoto Protocol. Indeed, failure to redress Global Warming with great alacrity, will not mythically result in northern hemispheres being turned into extensions of “tropical paradises”.
The cold air masses that hover over the Arctic and Antarctic climatic areas of the planet are absolutely vital to moderating the temperatures of planet Earth. Global Warming by the irresponsible activities of greed driven private enterprises under American led “global capitalism”, are destroying these vital climatic areas at an alarming rates. As a human species, we have already witnessed deadly heat waves and humidity. The accompanying worsening cancer causing ultra violet (UV) rays due to rapid accompanying ozone depletion is already creating experiences which almost feel like a form of radiation poisoning. Further accompanying weather cataclysms including more devastating hurricanes like Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans in late Summer 2005, and other such ”weather events” are only a relatively small tip of the iceberg so-to-speak.
The “hellish” summer of 2005 internationally has poignantly showed relative to the comparatively milder Summer 2004, that changes due to the abusive activities by human beings on the planet can be sudden, and extremely drastic. The current quantuum advancing devastating destructive impacts of American-led “global capitalism” are threatening to precipitate a catastrophic global drought in vital agricultural areas internationally that the world has never ever seen; due to unending rising temperatures, that will make the traditional temperature characteristics of the tropics today (that have benefited from Arctic and Antarctic moderation) seem like comparative ice boxes. Worsening “hellish” summers will lead into hellish other parts of the year also, with the prospective disappearance of the Arctic and Antarctic climatic areas. The inevitable result of such allowed phenomenon will be an ensuing Global Famine that so far, the world has also never seen spreading from the United States and Canada, into Europe and the rest of the World.
The rising temperatures of the oceans would eventually completely destroy all vital air (oxygen) producing plankton. A global crisis in agricultural production would be further accompanied by the cascading rapid dying out of all species in the ocean. The oceans would become dead polluted waters (the Gulf of Mexico has already been basically destroyed, with other parts of the ocean following pursuit).
In such a milieu of Global Famine, the world would be taken over by various warring military camps threatening each other with nuclear annihilation, and privately-run “terrorist” organizations trying to forcibly acquire what little of the Earth is left, for the exclusive use of elites, criminal syndicates, and gangs, leaving “masses” to perish in a milieu of spiralling global starvation, and poverty in a climate of socio-economic chaos and societal upheaval. Indeed, the mass-media has hypocritically ignored the extent to which ‘capitalism’ is actually the root cause of growing apparent “terrorism” as more and more people are turning to violent political extremism, in the face of environmental destruction, related oppression, and overall declines in quality-of-living.
Having destroyed the air-producing ocean life, and rainforests under a greed driven ethos of capitalism, soon even the Global Air Supply would become threatened with the overall rapid decay of vital ecosystems. Global Warming promises the convert the whole Earth not into a tropical paradise, but rather into a giant coffin, where all life on the planet will miserably perish. The Earth will eventually become very similar to Mars sooner than you think, unless the whole economic system can rejuvenated from its self-destructive path of Global Warming and accompanying pollution including ozone depletion. The human race will simply become a footnote for other possible space exploring advanced species in the universe to study in their future scientific missions of archaeological discovery, unless humanity changes from its current overall destructive ways.
People in their communities can either choose to play Ninetendo games, and worry about various other materialistic lifestyle considerations in “blissful ignorance”, in the image of the elites who prevail over self-destructive capitalistocracies, or alternatively, people can choose to rally their governments for vitally needed social change. ‘Sober’ members of the diverse public must either become actively engaged in redressing the shortcomings of the prevailing economic system, or face the dire consequences of their jaded attitudes. Members of the diverse public who are concerned about their immediate quality-of-survival cannot afford to be complacent. These members of the diverse public must use what little that remains of destroyed democratic systems (that have been taken-over by the substantive operation of ‘capitalistocracy’) to challenge corrupted government leaders.
Government leaders have allowed themselves to be seduced and “bought-out” by self-serving greed-driven interests, that operate against the vital affirmation of the quality-of-living interests of the diverse public that these leaders were supposedly elected to serve; and against the interests of quality-of-living seeking human beings internationally. So far, these government leaders have chosen to substantively ignore capitalistocractic activities that precipitate Global Warming, and accompanying pollution and worsening poverty which are being executed by “generous donors” to their political campaigns, that prop-up their political power. People must either turn away en masse, from the norms of the prevailing capitalism that has corrupted the integrity of democratic systems, or face certain Mars-like global self-destruction.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
Raymond Samuels has a professional background as an academic lectuer, and is the author/co-author/editor of diverse books.
Recommended Books:
Capitalism is Not Democracy, Part I, ISBN: 1894934636
The Kyoto Protocol Is Not Enough!, Part I:
Replace Capitalistocracy including the GDP Index
Toward a New Political Economy of
Social Justice and Environmental Protection
by Raymond Samuels II, ed.. ISBN: 1894839978, 2005
The Kyoto Protocol Is Not Enough!, Part II:
Replace Capitalistocracy including the GDP Index
Toward a New Political Economy of
Social Justice and Environmental Protection
by Raymond Samuels II, ed., ISBN: 1894934342, 2005
internet site reference:
The Canadian National Newspaper
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com
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