Bush Advisor To Reporter: Katrina “Has Fallen So Far Off The Radar Screen, You Can’t Find Itâ€
Bush Advisor To Reporter: Katrina “Has Fallen So Far Off The Radar Screen, You Can’t Find Itâ€
On September 15, President Bush stood in Jackson Square in New Orleans and made a promise:
And tonight I also offer this pledge of the American people: Throughout the area hit by the hurricane, we will do what it takes, we will stay as long as it takes, to help citizens rebuild their communities and their lives. And all who question the future of the Crescent City need to know there is no way to imagine America without New Orleans, and this great city will rise again.
It hasn’t worked out that way. Here’s Washington Post reporter Mike Allen today on Meet the Press:
I’m going to tell you something to amaze you; it amazed me yesterday. The last time the president was in the hurricane region was October 11, two months ago. The president stood in New Orleans and said it was going to be one of the largest reconstruction efforts in the history of the world. You go to the White house home page, there’s Barney camp, there’s Social Security, there’s Renewing Iraq. Where’s renewing New Orleans? A presidential advisor told me that issue has fallen so far off the radar screen, you can’t find it.
The New York Times says the neglect is threatening the future of the city:
We are about to lose New Orleans. Whether it is a conscious plan to let the city rot until no one is willing to move back or honest paralysis over difficult questions, the moment is upon us when a major American city will die, leaving nothing but a few shells for tourists to visit like a museum.
Why does this president seem more interested in rebuilding Iraq than rebuilding America?
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New Orleans makes LA a blue state.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:01 pmEliminating NOLA might make LA red.
What is the motivation for everything the
neocons (I think BushCo has warped the meaning
of this term from “new” “conservative” to
“future” “convicts”) do, but to distort power
through any means necessary?
“It’s not on the home page, therefore nothing is being done”? ROFLMAO!!!
Good one Judd. Very funny. That was a joke, right? You can’t be serious.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:05 pmThe tinfoil hat left sure loves their wacky conspiracy theories.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:06 pmGood Morning America, how are ya.? Bush is as usual not going to do anything about LO or any one in the south untill we the people make him do it. His photo op’s were like all, Lies. He will do all he can to promote his personal wars because it benefits his rich suppliers like Hallaberton, Carlile, pharmacutals, Hmo’s all war building companies and of course distroying all safety nets for the poor and middle class. Even unto selling off all our parks, wilderness and roadless areas with the help of Pombo. What we the people are suposto hold in trust, he, is taking away and putting up for sale. He and the far radical relegious right are on a quest to start the armagedon they believe in. Never mind the constitution, think like this nut case does or you out, or in jail. Untill we can get rid of this evil bunch we are stuck. Work to Impeach and clean up the house and senate please…….Blessings
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December 11th, 2005 at 12:09 pmInteresting how on a 3 paragraph post people
December 11th, 2005 at 12:10 pmcan still cherry pick only the weakest point
and act like it is all there was.
I think I’ll call that a “modified straw-man” argument.
Intersting how a 3 paragraph post contained no facts other than the one about the WH home page.
Anonymous quotes and opinions from the DNC mouthpiece NY Times are not facts.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:12 pmWhy hell why rebuilt an American Historic treasure , let’s destroy Irak it’s easier and costlier .
December 11th, 2005 at 12:14 pmBTW, no offense, but by this point I thought “ROFLMAO!!!”
December 11th, 2005 at 12:15 pmwas only used by middle schoolers on IM.
Back to NOLA, has all the money been split up
between the cronies on no-bid contracts?
Is Lott’s house all fixed up yet?
December 11th, 2005 at 12:18 pmI know that was the number 1 priority.
Once that was done, what else was there
that mattered?
/sarcasm
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December 11th, 2005 at 12:24 pmDemon-o-cracy!
December 11th, 2005 at 12:27 pmThe article is A sad commentary on American priorities.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:31 pmWe will lose the New Orleans that we know,this is planned which Dennis Hastret gave away from the get go. Oil Companies will rebuild N.O. into their tyoe of city.
The poor of N.O. is a welcome feature for the oil execs.
bush is playing to his base yet again. The sooner Americans really grasp what is really happening in the Country the better prepared we will become to fight for our country.
The reserves are still patrolling N.O. the real question is how soon will bushco place the military into every major city?
December 11th, 2005 at 12:36 pmThe administration just happens to subscribe to what Garry Trudeau in Doonesbury once said, there are newer and fresher tragedies to be concerned with.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:36 pmAs an aside, has anyone ever seen any liberal/Democrat ever say anything positive about their country on this site? I haven’t seen it happen. But don’t dare question their patriotism.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:40 pmWhat can we say, wwallace? We calls ‘em like we sees ‘em. All right, you want positive? Uh. . .George Washington wasn’t your typical slaveowner. That’s right, while the father of our country didn’t free his slaves outright, he did make provisions for them to be freed on his death. His wife was able to free the last of them before she died. . . Now please say something constructive, these talking points are getting on my nerves.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:45 pmOh, and he was “iffy” about the institution of slavery itself, and believed that, like Jefferson, that “all men are created equal.” Oh, and he never lied, either.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:49 pmAnyone notice that wwallace has never said anything positive about this country on this site? I haven’t seen it happen. It’s clear from his posts that he hates American and Americans - but don’t dare question his patriotism.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:53 pmPatriotism? Hatred is the right of every American. ‘Cos that falls under free speech. And it’s also our right and DUTY to call the government’s actions into question. It’s designed to keep another King George out of the White House.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:59 pmLocke, thank you for admitting that hatred and bigotry are the motivators for the left. Your honesty, on that point at least, is appreciated.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:05 pmBite me, Wallace. My loyalty is to the U.S., not to the Bush junta. What’s patriotic or honorable about spending unknown billions on a bogus and hopeless war in Iraq while N.O. rots, while aid for poor Americans is cut so the super-rich can get a tax break, while investment in education and technology stagnates? - I could go on.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:05 pmYou haven’t begun to demonstrate any loyalty to the US, and your word is no good.
The string of lies you posted doesn’t help.
Anyone who claims education funding has “stagnated” just for the simplest example, has no credibility left whatsoever.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:11 pm“Why does this president seem more interested in rebuilding Iraq than rebuilding America? ”
Since when is leaving a part of the coast that nature has placed under water, under water not rebuiliding America?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:12 pmwwallace, I would appreciate it in the future that you take what I say in context, and do not put words that aren’t there. Did I say, “hatred and bigotry are the motivators for the left”? No, I didn’t. I said it is the right of every American to speak hatefully. If it wasn’t, then the KKK would either be in charge, or extinct, and they are neither. Thank you for not taking my comments out of context.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:12 pmWell since he is so used to answering questions with the words ” I don’t like to talk about an ongoing investigation” And he justs hates his homework, details, details details, he looks at loses like they were just baseball games, well we gotta do better next time. Next game? Next it will be don’t blame me I’m just one guy trying to do the right thing for the american people”. Sit back, relax, go to walmart. Will tell you the next time it is to vote for me.Don’t blame me.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:14 pmAnyone notice that wwallace has never said anything positive about this country on this site? I haven’t seen it happen. It’s clear from his posts that he hates American and Americans - but don’t dare question his patriotism.
Comment by stefan
I’m afraid that in the context of these discussions, on this site and dealing with the ideas presented there is NOTHING POSITIVE to report. Let’s put it this way; if I thought you losers made up even 50% of the people in this country I’d leave or blow my brains out.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:16 pmI guess Rove’s troll class must not be
December 11th, 2005 at 1:18 pmmuch past “straw-man” in the syllabus.
Is the final before the Holidays? (I typed
Christmas first, but I figured O’Reilly would
like it better if I said “holidays”.
Locke, “If it wasn’t, then the KKK would either be in charge, or extinct, and they are neither.”
Well, they are currently in the leadership of the Democratic party in the US Senate.
Good point, I-RIGHT-I. Why is it the epitome of evil to put an oil rig in a desolate region of Alaska, but it’s OK to build a city in a critical wetland area in Louisiana? Liberalism is so confused. :()
December 11th, 2005 at 1:19 pmGaramond: That’s the whole point - folks like wwallace think that because dems/liberals “bitch” about things happening in this country, that we’re unpatriotic. The billions spent on this crazy “war” could have been better spent on social issues - to help lift the most vulnerable in our society just a small notch. To give tax-cuts to the very wealthy - and at the same time propose budget cuts to programs that assist lower/middle class is almost criminal.
I am very patriotic and believe that America is a great country - it’s just that America’s image has been tarnished by a nutball administration hell-bent on war with anyone they don’t agree with. (On a smaller scale, this is clear in Fox New’s “war on Christmas” crap)
I watched F. 9/11 again and it reminded me yet again how out of touch the administration is - especially Bush’s comment about the “haves and have mores” being his base. While I might disagree with M. Moore’s comments in the film, the video clips of these people speaking for themselves says it all.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:19 pmWell, you have suggested two good options
December 11th, 2005 at 1:20 pmfor yourself, I might add, “go somewhere else
to practice your goose-step”.
Why is it the epitome of evil to put an oil rig in a desolate region of Alaska, but it’s OK to build a city in a critical wetland area in Louisiana? Liberalism is so confused. :()
Comment by wwallace — December 11, 2005 @ 1:19 pm
I think this is a B- effort straw-man since it is too
December 11th, 2005 at 1:23 pmopen to “What does Alaska have to do with NOLA?”
replies.
The constitution just a piece of paper ?
“The peace accord of 1918 , is not worth the paper it’s written on ” -Hitler .
Was the german minister who equaled Georgie girl to Hitler right ?
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December 11th, 2005 at 1:25 pm“Well, they are currently in the leadership of the Democratic party in the US Senate.”
Yeah, and I suppose there are none in the Republican leadership? I’ll show you mine if you’ll show me yours. ;)
December 11th, 2005 at 1:27 pm#28: Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. :)
December 11th, 2005 at 1:27 pmMrTimPA, Fahrenheit 9/11 is a propaganda film in the tradition of Leni Reifenstahl.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:28 pmLocke, yes, do put up. Which member of the senate leadership on the Republican side was a grand wizard of the KKK?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:29 pmWWallace and Bushco wwould rather spend our money on an Islamic State than on Americans trying to rebuild their city after a disaster.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:36 pmWWallace and Bushco wwould rather see little islamic children have their school rebuilt than NO children.
What? All you’ve got to show me is Sen. Byrd, right? Who else you got?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:39 pmWWhy turn your back on Americans wwally and Bushco. Do you love and respect Islam more than America? Are you(Bushco) and the Islamic terrorists in bed together against the American people?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:40 pmLet’s set up a White House South in New Orleans and force the Administration to live amid the ruins so they can’t forget.
A friend of mine has been down to Mississippi several times for construction projects and says it’s a depressing sight (which it already was to some degree before the storm, with the poverty and neglect that falls off the radar of politics every day).
Prior to voting themselves at $3,100 raise in Congress, they voted down an increase to the $5.15 minimum wage again (it’s been that rate since 1987 and every year Ted Kennedy bring it up for a vot and evey year after rejecting it, they vote themselves a Constitutionally protected pay increase. They don’t seem to be earning their $165,000…)
December 11th, 2005 at 1:42 pmP.S. Let’s send the NeoCons down to New Orleans as well. No internet service… we’d get a nice break from their ideoligical rhetoric for a while!
December 11th, 2005 at 1:43 pmI think it is safe to say Bushco is an Arab lover, an Islam lover, and an oil industry lover . Why doesn’t Bushco love the American people?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:47 pmI mean, if you want to talk bigotry and hatred
December 11th, 2005 at 1:48 pmI am very patriotic and believe that America is a great country - it’s just that America’s image has been tarnished by a nutball administration hell-bent on war with anyone they don’t agree with.
Comment by MrTimPA
Ok fine, you’re a patriot, a stupid patriot. You belong to the Stupid Party. Actually the Stupid and Dishonest Party.
Please note what Condi Rice said recently;
“Our experience of this new world leads us to conclude that the fundamental character of regimes matters more today than the international distribution of power. Insisting otherwise is imprudent and impractical. The goal of our statecraft is to help create a world of democratic, well-governed states that can meet the needs of their citizens and conduct themselves responsibly in the international system.”
This in a nutshell is the American Doctrine. As always, we Americans reserve the right to intervene on behalf of the liberty of peoples around the world. It’s what we do and the only time we have failed in our mission is when the Filthy Left has made the job of destroying communists and mass murdering thugs too difficult at home.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:48 pmLike the world even trusts that woman any more
December 11th, 2005 at 1:54 pmI think wwallace is one we will have to shun. His comments are irrelevant, his attacks are personal, he repeatedly expresses his hatred for anyone who disagrees with him, he adds nothing to the discourse. The results are off topic blasts that enlighten no one.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:54 pmUnless of course, one considers confirming that wwallace is ignorant is enlightening.
As an American soldier stationed in Iraq, I think it is much more important to get Iraqi children into their rebuilt schools and learning asap than my own people. I also approve of hiring illegal aliens to clean up NO with my tax dollars. Heck, I just may give away my body armor to an insurgent today.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:55 pmI’ll give him one thing, Marie. . .he’s teaching me to create better arguments. :)
December 11th, 2005 at 1:55 pm“MrTimPA, Fahrenheit 9/11 is a propaganda film in the tradition of Leni Reifenstahl.” - by wwallace.
F-9/11 is a film with a certain point of view - I repeat, it’s a film with a certain point of view. It wasn’t a “news” report played on various networks as news - unlike what the current administration has been doing. But, as such, the film had plenty of film clips of administration folks speaking for themselves. Those clips are very telling.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:56 pmOther than show up and be accused of another Photo Op, what can the President do? The states affected have Congressional and Senatorial representation as well as local representatives. The Armys Corps is there, as are many other clean up crews and construction crews….it’s only been about 90 days since activity could begin again. Wanting everthing the ‘way it was’ simply can’t work…the cleanup alone will not be short lived and that’s not a Presidential obligation. Strategic planning, bids and architectural design don’t happen in this short a time frame. Is it perfect NO….but to say nothing is being done discounts the efforts of people on the ground there and we’re not privy to the daily planning that may be underway by state, federal and private interests.
I would like to see a CEO type person in charge of the redevelopment or coordination….at a minimum a point of contact for what is and isn’t being done, so we could have an informed opinion, rather than just a reporters take on what he saw.
rich
December 11th, 2005 at 1:57 pm# 47
That’s guiberish ,double talk , spin She is justifying torture in diplomatic jargon .
December 11th, 2005 at 1:57 pmMrTim, it’s a film filled with lies and dishonest spin.
Locke, how long are we going to have to wait for you to put up ,as you promised in #36? :()
December 11th, 2005 at 2:00 pmThere is no defense for Bush&Co ignoring the disaster of New Orleans. The night he made his eerie appearance in N.O. was an omen that soon N.O. would be no more than a ghost in the grand schemes of Bush&Co.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:01 pmThat they would allow a city with the history of N.O. sink into oblivion with its population should be no surprise to anyone familiar with their usual m o. Poor people are to be swatted away like gnats to the unethical immoral cabal occupying the White House.
We all should look around and think what would happen if our city were to be struck with disaster.
I think Marie is one we will have to shun. Her comments are irrelevant, her attacks are personal, she repeatedly expresses her hatred for anyone who disagrees with her, she adds nothing to the discourse. The results are off topic blasts that enlighten no one.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:01 pmUnless of course, one considers confirming that Marie is ignorant is enlightening.
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December 11th, 2005 at 2:02 pmrichb, I remind you that the person in charge of supervising the rebulding of New Orleans was none other than Karl Rove.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:03 pmApparently you missed #46. What? Not linked to the KKK, you say? Well, he certainly had their rhetoric down pat.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:04 pmSgt. Carter,
Great Idea. no one over here misses you anyway. can,t you tell?
Heck, I just may give away my body armor to an insurgent today.
also, shouldn,t you TEACH Them how to wear it first?
December 11th, 2005 at 2:06 pmwhile you are at it, teach them how to shoot your M-16.
Then Stand in front of them for Target Practice.
Education allways first, Sir.
I heard Pickles and the twins served as stewardesses on the emergency Bin Laden flights out of the U.S., post 9/11. They served, shined shoes, lit cigars, carried bags, read aloud from the Koran etc, etc.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:08 pmHey freedumb are you missing the point again, you stupd F-up!
December 11th, 2005 at 2:13 pmAre you short a few brain cells, cause you are constantly misunderstanding comments. Go back to Bible quotes you stupid douche bag. You are definitely sarcasm impaired.
Demon-o-cracy! At its Best Gomer.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:17 pmJudd, that is an excellent question. Why is Bush more interested in rebuilding Iraq than in rebuilding an American city? Bush did not stay the course in New Orleans, he did the cut and run.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:21 pmBy The Way #62. Name fits you to a t.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:23 pmas in Twit. Gooollly.
Pvt Pyle.
#66 means #63. not #62
December 11th, 2005 at 2:24 pmLocke, your link in #46 in no way backs your assertion, on any level. Just to begin with, Helms is retired. :()
December 11th, 2005 at 2:24 pmWhat have you got to offer then?
December 11th, 2005 at 2:25 pmDifinition of Demon-o-cracy!
December 11th, 2005 at 2:25 pmFighting Evil With Evil!
Just ignore these trollish morons. They are only trying to incite you folks enough to get your comments moderated or even have one of your IPs banned. They only post nonsense that isn’t worthy of a response in any case. These are the kind of fools that are worthy of direct action. Engaging them here is a waste of time. As Bush pulls out more and more of the troops from Iraq these kinds of slime and scum will start to disappear from the radar, the returning troops will likely find them spouting off their ignorant bullshit from their usual barstool, the only place they feel safe, aside from at the computer in mommy’s basement, and beat the crap out of them, hopefully badly enough to put them in a wheelchair for life or plant them in the ground.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:28 pm(Sigh) You do have a great point, KillCon. Some reason is always welcome. . .
December 11th, 2005 at 2:31 pmAll KillCon is doing in #71 is projecting.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:33 pmTrue. . .but at least it’s reasonable projecting, aside from the violence and sweeping generalization.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:35 pmIf these conservative trolls loved their country–REALLY loved it–they’d be over in Iraq right now, helping to defeat the insurgents. But the fact that they’re posting here, and not fighting in a war they so strongly support, only shows what chickenhawks these guys are.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:35 pmThen again, if I’d done time in Iraq, I’d probably be pissed off enough to beat such a “patriot” senseless, too.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:36 pmI’m afraid that in the context of these discussions, on this site and dealing with the ideas presented there is NOTHING POSITIVE to report. Let’s put it this way; if I thought you losers made up even 50% of the people in this country I’d leave or blow my brains out.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 11, 2005
No wonder you are in denial of the truth 24/7. You’d be dead already if you had to face facts and accept reality,(then there is the small matter of you lacking the balls to do it, or anything else for that matter). Like I said, people with the balls to deal with the likes of you will be returning home soon enough, pissed as hell at whiney little pukes like you.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:36 pmaside from the violence and sweeping generalization.
Comment by Locke —
Violence, though most everyone of them lacks the balls to use it, definitely gets their attention, especially when they are getting the crap kicked out of them.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:40 pmAnd the sweeping generalizations? I’m sure not ALL of them are in their parent’s basement. Some of them MUST be shacking up in the garage as well.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:42 pm#5
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Comment by wwallace — December 11, 2005 @ 12:09 pm
Thanks, Think Progress.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:44 pmExcellent, it looks as if we can FINALLY have some spirited debates! Back to topic, the NYT editorial is particularly caustic, yet genuine. One of the better editorials I’ve read in a while. What’s to be done? It seems hopeless to wring a straight answer out of the admin.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:51 pmI’m sure if Bush’s evangelical bloc decided that this was an issue worth pursuing, he’d be all over it like white on rice. But they’re far too preoccupied with the bogus “War on Christmas.”
December 11th, 2005 at 2:55 pmUgh. . .do we HAVE to go back to that? If I rant any more on that malarky my head’s gonna explode.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:56 pm#
And the sweeping generalizations? I’m sure not ALL of them are in their parent’s basement. Some of them MUST be shacking up in the garage as well.
Most of them are like Iron Fist of Little Green Footballs.
He couldn’t get jumped into the Hell’s Angels because he is a giant pussy so he acts like a tough guy on line.
Jesus’ General has some great posts on that non-entity if you look through the archives.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:56 pmIm with you, Locke. I tired of that ridiculous story long ago, but you get my point.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:58 pmLet’s put it this way; if I thought you losers made up even 50% of the people in this country I’d leave or blow my brains out.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 11, 2005
You are always going on about having the gun and the ammo… is it your brain you are having a bit of difficulty locating? Try aiming for your ample ass.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:58 pmThanks for the links, KillCon, I’ll look into it some more.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:00 pmYes, Librarian, I most certainly understand where you’re coming from. It’s like, “Um, HELLO! There’s a majority over here that you’re not listening to, Mr. Bush!”
December 11th, 2005 at 3:01 pmLMAO! Thankfully our brains are where they should be or we’d all be like them…
“Ever since the Newsweek story broke, Iron Fist has holed himself in our basement with twelve bags of Tostitos and five bottles of root beer,” said the mother of LGF regular Iron Fist. “He hasn’t bathed since Sunday and he refuses to change out of his LGF paraphernalia. The neighbors are starting to complain about the stench.”
December 11th, 2005 at 3:01 pmThere is a website devoted to these morons. It’s called LGF watch.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:03 pmWhat happened to Christian Values? I thought Jesus taught about love thy neighbor, give to the poor, and other such stuff. Why do the Republicans hate Jesus?
December 11th, 2005 at 3:03 pmauto transport
For Admin re #34.
How did I offend thee?
Tell me now and I will never repeat my sin.
I would appreciate an answer via E-mail as you can respond in greater detail without revealing my transgression.
No offense taken as I am sure none was intended.
Thanks,
Clyde
December 11th, 2005 at 3:09 pmAre Democrats without sin? Hell no. Robert Byrd and Fritz Hollings at earlier points in their careers have made racist remarks and voted against civil rights issues. But, in the case of these two individuals, they’ve at least tried to atone for their earlier ignorance and make amends.
If we’re talking current Republican senators who’ve recently been caught on record making racist statements: William Bennet and Trent Lott are two names you might remeber hearing.
If we’re talking voting record in regards to civil rights issues, then there’s not enough room on this blog for me to list all the names, but here’s a few lesser know names: Jefferson Sessions and George Allen.
How about Republican Congressmen?
Cass Ballenger and Tom Craddick easily come to mind.
Then there are the shady, hard to trace acts of racism, like the large scale, organized voter disenfranchisement campaigns waged in 2000 and 2004 that took place in Ohio, Florida, New Mexico and the Carolinas, or the whisper campaign that Bush pulled in the 2000 primaries against McCain.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:09 pmThis in a nutshell is the American Doctrine. As always, we Americans reserve the right to intervene on behalf of the liberty of peoples around the world. It’s what we do and the only time we have failed in our mission is when the Filthy Left has made the job of destroying communists and mass murdering thugs too difficult at home.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 11, 2005 @ 1:48 pm
LMAO! You need to hook up with Larry the Cable guy and take that act on the road! It’s the funniest thing I’ve seen today! “Git ‘er done!”
December 11th, 2005 at 3:11 pmThoreau and “Civil Disobedience”
Perhaps “civil” doesn’t necessarily mean “polite”, “courteous” or “non-violent”.
The Theory, Practice, and Influence of Thoreau’s Civil Disobedience
Most importantly, Thoreau does not associate his action with a position on violence. Tolstoy and Gandhi and King have of course associated Thoreau’s essay with a rejection of violence. An anonymous member of the Danish resistance learned a different lesson from it:
And though they contradict each other, both readings of Thoreau are right.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:23 pmThank you Judd, for demonstrating your blind partisanship in deleting my comment about your dishonesty. Obviously, you can dish it out, but you can’t take any criticism.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:24 pmcomment#27, why did IrightI respond to a comment intended for wwallace?
December 11th, 2005 at 3:24 pmhehe. one of a kind?
Liberal Librarian, re #74, did you support the invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11?
December 11th, 2005 at 3:25 pm“This in a nutshell is the American Doctrine. As always, we Americans reserve the right to intervene on behalf of the liberty of peoples around the world. It’s what we do and the only time we have failed in our mission is when the Filthy Left has made the job of destroying communists and mass murdering thugs too difficult at home.”
What a joke. How much do you get paid to write this tripe? You certainly deserve another virtual banana for being a good Beta-monkey, though….here’s you reward -> (
December 11th, 2005 at 3:30 pmmore like one and the same, Freedom :D
December 11th, 2005 at 3:30 pmHello Guys
I live in Finland (its in northern Europe). There was a big article in todays paper in our nations biggest news paper Helsingin Sanomat about New Orleans and the mess.
In my opinion it was a major blunder.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:32 pmwwallace…do you get paid double-time for Sunday’s? Here’s a virtual banana for you, too -> (
December 11th, 2005 at 3:34 pmMy question to you I-RIGHT-I, what do I need to do, to help you believe that today?
Anything I can do to help I will be glad to.
In fact, it will be my pleasure :D
December 11th, 2005 at 3:35 pmTuomas, did the article mention that state and local authorities are the first responders in such a disaster, and that the state and local governments in Louisiana are run by Democrats?
December 11th, 2005 at 3:36 pmInnocent Bystander, your ad hominem attacks are a violation of the site Terms of Use. They also indicate you have no arguments.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:37 pmWallace:
I did not delete any comment about me. Your comments about me are still in this thread, as anyone can verify. I deleted a comment that specifically attacked another commenter on this blog and had no substantive content. I also deleted a couple of comments by liberal commenters for the same reason.
Also, instead of spending so much time on the meta-discussion of our comments policy, maybe we could address the issues. For example, if you believe that the administration is doing a good job in the aftermath of Katrina, provide some evidence to support your claim.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:39 pmwwallace and IRI, why do you bozos even come here to this site?
You spew your garbage and do nothing but attempt to bring disent to the site. This is just the thing that the Republicans are know for. I am not a member of any party, and I think that parties should be gotten rid of as all they do is divide that country.
The best person should be voted into office, not whether he is a Republican or a Democrate.
You on the other hand are so brainwashed by your party that you can’t even think for yourselfs. This party in power does not even respect or acknowledge the Constitution. “Quit throwing the Constitution in my face, it’s just a goddamn peice of paper.”
The problem that sane people, such as many on this site, are pointing out is that the current people in power are more interrested in other countries than our own.
You and your kind demonstrate the reason that Hitler came into power and why our country is soon going to be a country ran by a Hitler type government or our country will be like the USSR was.
I hope you enjoyed your freedoms why you had them. I would just like to ask for a thank you and for you to shut your mouth. From what I have heard I can pretty much tell that you have never served in the military, and I have so just thank me for the freedom that I provided you through my services to this country.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:54 pmIt has already been reported that the investigation of the Katrina reponse shows that Govenor Kathleen Blanco did in fact ask the White House a week prior for support, and the goverment responses were criminally negligent.
The hubris to defend the Federal response to Katrina is why this administration is sooooo badly hated throughout the world.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:06 pmKatrina , not only exposed inadiquicies in leadership from the Whitehouse , but also the great lengths they take from abstaining from blame while laying blame on others . That’s all in black and white with the release of the e-mails to and from the govener of La.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:11 pm“This in a nutshell is the American Doctrine. As always, we Americans reserve the right to intervene on behalf of the liberty of peoples around the world. It’s what we do and the only time we have failed in our mission is when the Filthy Left has made the job of destroying communists and mass murdering thugs too difficult at home.â€
A textbook case.
They knew all about you way back in 1965:
Pseudoconservativism is among other things a disorder in relation to authority, characterized by an inability to find other modes for human relationship than those of more or less complete domination or submission. The pseudo-conservative is a man who, in the name of upholding traditional American values and institutions and defending them against more or less fictitious dangers, consciously or unconsciously aims at their abolition. [He] sees his own country as being so weak that it is constantly about to fall victim to subversion; and yet he feels that it is so all-powerful that any failure it may experience in getting its way in the world cannot possibly be due to its limitations but must be attributed to its having been betrayed.
Richard Hofstadter, The Paranoid Style in American Politics and Other Essays, 1965.
Seek help.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:12 pm#107
How true. Sick, isn’t it? I don’t go to conservative blogs and attack the neocons. I bet you don’t either. I think they are here because they are afraid of progressives getting together, and are try to distract us. We should have an entire week of refusing to respond to any of them and just discuss the issues with one another. I have a feeling that without the flies buzzing around we’d actually accomplish some rational discussions, and that’s what they fear the most…
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December 11th, 2005 at 4:39 pmNo one claimed there were no mistakes at the federal level. But most of the problem with the response came from the state and local levels.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:41 pmSorry Judd, I mistook which one was deleted. But look at all the bile coming from the left in these comments, in practically every comment they post. The double standard is obvious. Not that I mind, the more liberals show themselves to be hateful kooks the better, as far as I’m concerned.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:43 pmHow true. Sick, isn’t it? I don’t go to conservative blogs and attack the neocons. I bet you don’t either. I think they are here because they are afraid of progressives getting together, and are try to distract us. We should have an entire week of refusing to respond to any of them and just discuss the issues with one another. I have a feeling that without the flies buzzing around we’d actually accomplish some rational discussions, and that’s what they fear the most…
Comment by unbelievable
Most major conservative sites, Malkin, Instaputz, Powertools, don’t allow comments because everyone hates them. When you sell hate, it generally comes back to you tenfold. There are some smaller sites that do, but if you don’t act like a Bushco cheerleader you get banned in under thirty seconds. And so they come here because only on liberal and progressive sites do they have a chance to pull this shit, and yes, they fear us. They fear everything. They are cowards, each and everyone of them, just like Chimpy “AWOL” McBush and Dick “I had other priorities” Cheney.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:46 pm#114 So why do you hang out here? It’s liberal website. Clearly, you’re not changing anyone’s mind. You’re not making sense. And you’re just making a mess of the wall that you’re beating your head against. Why oh why do you do it?
December 11th, 2005 at 4:47 pmBut look at all the bile coming from the left in these comments, in practically every comment they post. The double standard is obvious. Not that I mind, the more liberals show themselves to be hateful kooks the better, as far as I’m concerned.
Comment by wwallace
Why are we not surprised that you can’t take a hint.
Perhaps if you weren’t so dense and clueless you could add to the dialogue. Nah…. never happen.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:48 pmunbelievable, thank you for admitting liberals tend to be closed-minded.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:49 pm#115 Ah yes, makes sense, the freedom is here. Of course. How ironical!
Thanks for the rational thoughts, cause I know I’m just gonna get some third grade insults from my post above, as usual.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:49 pmKillCon, perhaps if you weren’t so dense and clueless you could add to the dialogue. Nah…. never happen.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:50 pm#118 If your spin makes you laugh or feel proud, then you are the only one. I used to be a Republican conservative, so clearly my mind can be changed. But only by logic and wisdom and insight, nothing you guys are posting. What I said is that you can’t affect change with insults. But, obviously, that’s all you have.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:52 pm#114 So why do you hang out here? It’s liberal website. Clearly, you’re not changing anyone’s mind. You’re not making sense. And you’re just making a mess of the wall that you’re beating your head against. Why oh why do you do it?
Comment by unbelievable
We only get the nutbars. It’s their job to troll here and propagandize, obfuscate and spred disinformation. There are a few who are less of an annoyance. They get treated roughly themselves. There are very few sites that have been successful trying to have a dialogue with both sides these days. They are shutting down in droves. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. The fact is, the number of people who side with these morons is shrinking rapidly. Every day that goes by, they are becoming the lunatic fringe that they originally were. Hallelujah! It won’t matter. After they get their asses kicked in 2006 and 2008 and 2010, 2012…. and on and on… there will stil be clowns like this here telling you that Bush is the greatest preznit in the history of the world and the entire country thinks just like they do. That’s called delusion.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:54 pm#118 If your spin makes you laugh or feel proud, then you are the only one. I used to be a Republican conservative, so clearly my mind can be changed. But only by logic and wisdom and insight, nothing you guys are posting. What I said is that you can’t affect change with insults. But, obviously, that’s all you have.
Comment by unbelievable
Excellent, and welcome! Perhaps you could share with us what it was, or when you had that moment, that transformation. Maybe it wasn’t a moment but a long process. Like I said, our numbers grow as more people like you come to their senses and that’s what scares them. They help make that change permanent by doing what they do. They actually think they are helping their cause. Insanity, ain’t it?
December 11th, 2005 at 5:01 pm#122
I’m amazed at some of the ridiculous things some of these people post. It’s clearly fear based propaganda. Didn’t know about the other sites because I don’t look for them. I was raised Republican, I know their agenda, and I don’t need to go near it anymore. It never changes and is based on fear tactics. I actually feel sorry for some of them, they seem really lonely and pathetic. Well thanks for the enlightening info. It’s only progressives that are posting anything worth reading.
Oh, you’ll like this - I’m a liberal teacher in a conservative district, and the kids are sponges. I’ve already educated a few on the misconceptions they have about the world, and taught them that they should question everything they are told. They love me too because I don’t lie to them. Am converting their progeny and they can’t do a thing to stop me…
December 11th, 2005 at 5:04 pmIt amazes me that GW has to look for things to do when the whole country is in the toilet. Katrina will ensure that the south votes blue for the next three generations. What person affected by this mismanaged catastrophe would ever reward the party that has ignored it and exascerbated it?
Its patriotic to dissent. Anyone who doesn’t get that should put down Mein Kampf and pick up the diaries of Franklin, T. Roosevelt and Edward R. Murrow.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:04 pmunbelievable, thank you for admitting liberals tend to be closed-minded.
Comment by wwallace — December 11, 2005
Actually wwallace, the word liberal, ia a derivative of the word Liberty. Therefore, one can conclude that the terminology was applied due to their inherint liberal, or “open” mindedness.
On the other, the term Conservative, is a derivative of the word “conserve” which means to restrict or limit the use of, and therefore one could easily conclude that the term was applied due to their inherent restricted, limited or closed mindedness.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:11 pmIn fact, one could say they hate us for our freedom.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:11 pm#123
Thanks. For once, the grass actually is greener. Nice to be here, most of teh time :).
Well, you and I had a bit of a “heated debate” :) about religion in another thread… that’s actually part of the transformation for me. With the Repblicans and Corporate America, they expect a god like worship and blind faith from us. When I could no longer give those things to religion, I couldn’t give them to anything else either. The rest was traveling around the world, meeting different people from differnt walks of life, reading non-fiction, listening to the liberal argument and living in California for a while. A lot also had to do with finding value in myself. I’m one of those dysfunctional kids who got better, so to speak. I think for myself now. And when you do that, as I’m sure you know, there’s no way to not leave the cons and come here. I’m so much happier.
So, what about you, what’s your background? I’m always interested in learning about and from other people. Well, rational people. I feel I have a lifetime of ignorance to dispell and I can’t seem to do it fast enough :).
December 11th, 2005 at 5:13 pm#126, in fact calling themselves “liberal” or “progressive” is just one more thing leftists lie about.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:19 pmThat was the Democrats, rogue. Things generally went much better in Florida and Mississippi, which have Republican governors, than in Louisiana, which has a Democrat governor.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:22 pmLoL, you’re in here talking to liberals about lying?
LoL, thats another good one wwallace, you really are a funny guy.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:22 pm# 129 oh, do enlighten us… how is that? i’m up for a good laugh.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:22 pmThings generally went much better in Florida and Mississippi, which have Republican governors, than in Louisiana, which has a Democrat governor.
Comment by wwallace — December 11, 2005 @ 5:22 pm
Yea, wonder why things went much better in states with republican govenors? Wonder why the Federal response was so much better……hmmmm……
December 11th, 2005 at 5:24 pmCome on then wally, lets see what you ahve there: prove to us that leftists are not liberal or progressive. I’m open minded, you can have another chance to impress me with your razor-sharp intellect, wit and logic.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:24 pmThe state and local response was better, because the Democrats running Louisiana are incompetent.
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December 11th, 2005 at 5:27 pmHmm, thats funny, because the records show that Govenor Blanco requested Federal assistance before any other state.
But the Federal Government for some reason, dismissed and ignored her requests.
In other words, what you just said, was a LIE.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:28 pmHmm, not a good start wally. Let’s see, I start with an open-minded ‘liberal’ comment that I am willing to be convinced that you have an argument and can make it. You respond with an insult. Not a good start for you. Try again.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:29 pmSo, what about you, what’s your background? I’m always interested in learning about and from other people. Well, rational people. I feel I have a lifetime of ignorance to dispell and I can’t seem to do it fast enough :).
Comment by unbelievable
At one time I was a bit more conservative than I am today. I am a semi-retired musician and I used to work in the recording industry. I got seriously interested in politics about a year and a half ago, probably like you, when I realized we were being sold a pig in a poke. I started reading blogs and I am finding many of my attitudes changing. During the 90’s I was fairly sympathetic to certain right wing causes but no longer. I am a left leaning libertarian. There is a site called political compass. It’s not like those silly right wing libertarian political tests (The Nolan test) that give everyone the idea they are a right wing libertarian. Check it out.
Political Compass
December 11th, 2005 at 5:29 pm#136 Nope, that’s not what we’re looking for. Try again.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:30 pmIn fact, your pathetic republican led FEMA director was a national joke, a humiliating embarrasment for the US in the eyes of our citizens, and the world.
You guys were a joke, and absolute idiotic group of numbskulls running around bumping into each other. Mike Brown has become a national symbol of shame, and a forevor reminder of the bungling, imcompetent idiots and assholes that encompass your current administration.
You’re a joke.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:31 pmThe unbelievable thing, is your so stupid, you actually come in here to argue the Federal response to Katrina.
What a pathetic, low life volkssturm you must be, for them to throw you out here to defend the indefensable.
They must really respect you :D
December 11th, 2005 at 5:35 pm“But the Federal Government for some reason, dismissed and ignored her requests.”
This is a lie.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:38 pmHey, that sounds like a good title for a book.
“Idiots and assholes” a history of the republican party under George “dubya” Bush.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:38 pmThe Red Cross confirms Worfeus is lying:
December 11th, 2005 at 5:41 pmAn excellent site for critiques on liberatarianism…
Bear in mind I consider myself a left leaning libertarian.
It can take you years to wade through all the information on Mike Huben’s site. It’s worth the time.
Critiques of Libertarianism
December 11th, 2005 at 5:43 pmMore confirmation Worfeus is lying:
December 11th, 2005 at 5:43 pmI’m sure Judd appreciates this elevation of the debate for Worfeus:
December 11th, 2005 at 5:44 pm#139
What instrument did/do you play? Do you still?
That’s a cool test. You’ll laugh. I make Gandhi look like a Neocon :). I’m very much an anarchistic collectivist (-7,-9). What about you?
December 11th, 2005 at 5:45 pmGovenor Katherine Blanco, August 29th
“We need buses,” Andy Kopplin, chief of staff August 30th
On September 2nd, Govenor Blanco request once again for support, this time asking for 40,000 more troops; ice, water and food; buses, base camps, staging areas, amphibious vehicles, mobile morgues, rescue teams, housing, airlift and communications systems.
And we all saw the response. All except apparantly the moron called wwallace.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:48 pmWawa-walla really doesn’t deserve a response most of the time. Truth is his only value here is that of a whipping boy, but that does mean we lower the level of discourse down to his level and Think progress is rapidly becoming a very popular site that may be featured and quoted in the old media so that’s why they want to keep the comments presentable. I’m all for that.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:48 pm#146 Cool - thanks, I’ll check it out after dinner… Liberals are so much more helpful and sharing than Conservatives. Must be our closed minds :). Will talk again soon after I’ve done some reading… Nice to meet you!
December 11th, 2005 at 5:49 pmThat’s it wwallace, go cryin to mommy.
If I didn’t know better, I would say that was Robert Novak on the other end of that keyboard.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:50 pm#139
What instrument did/do you play? Do you still?
That’s a cool test. You’ll laugh. I make Gandhi look like a Neocon :). I’m very much an anarchistic collectivist (-7,-9). What about you?
Comment by unbelievable
I haven’t taken it in awhile. I think I will try it again. Drums, and I haven’t had a chance to hit anything lately, but if I ever do get the chance, it will likely be a Republican and I’ll be using a cluebat.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:51 pmI know Killcon, I know. I already got kicked from Huffingtonpost.
Heck, I’m surprised they let me hang out in here this long :|
December 11th, 2005 at 5:56 pmYeah, about the same as before. I’m to the left of Ghandi!
December 11th, 2005 at 5:59 pmI’m down there with the Dalai Lama!
-8,-8.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:04 pmI guess you could say I fit in more with, oh I don’t know…say Slappy White?
December 11th, 2005 at 6:06 pmPerhaps it’s just as well that New Orleans is not heavily rebuilt at the same site. Southern Louisiana is sinking quickly and NO will never be above sea level again.
I hope NO retains some population and some of it’s history and celebration, but in the long run we’ll all have to move out of southern Louisiana.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:06 pm:). Will talk again soon after I’ve done some reading… Nice to meet you!
Comment by unbelievable
The pleasure was mine. Glad to help and glad to have you here.
Worfeus,
I had a few comments moderated at HuffPo, but banning? Tone it down, bro. We need ya here!
December 11th, 2005 at 6:07 pmSlappy White
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December 11th, 2005 at 6:08 pmThe message I got was the WH does not want to tackle the NO porblem because it would involve brining more light to their poor handling of the emergency.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:09 pmAgain, these folks are out of touch.
Gee, do you think Red Cross FAQs might be a bit biased or self-serving?
See what Wikipedia has to say…
December 11th, 2005 at 6:10 pmI’ll do my best.
I think perhaps that somtimes, on a subconcious level, I think maybe I secretly want to get banned, you know, so I can have my life back. :D
December 11th, 2005 at 6:10 pmGill,
Perhaps it’s just as well that New Orleans is not heavily rebuilt at the same site. Southern Louisiana is sinking quickly and NO will never be above sea level again
There is some rational for that but then again, the Dutch have the same problem and have managed for centuries. I saw a guy on CSPAN talking about the issues there. It’s a very complex environmental problem and you know how seriously this admin takes environmental issues.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:14 pmI think perhaps that somtimes, on a subconcious level, I think maybe I secretly want to get banned, you know, so I can have my life back. :D
Comment by WORFEUS
I hear that! We should get paid like the trolls do.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:16 pmYou’re absolutely right on the Dutch, KillCon.
My family is from Amsterdam, and my Dad will be the first to tell you that the multi-tiered Dutch dyke system, is the best in the world, and they did it before modern machinery and technology.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:17 pmActually my Dad would kill me for saying that. It’s Rotterdam actually.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:19 pmI think it’s funny that in a post about how the country has forgotten New Orleans, 2/3s of the comments have nothing to do with New Orleans.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:39 pmWorfeus, yes, we all saw the pictures of all those school buses the mayor of NO left in the parking lot that flooded.
I posted the statement from the Red Cross stating that they were on site with supplies, but the locals would not let them in. But I guess they’re just kying PNAC shills, eh? ROFL
December 11th, 2005 at 6:58 pmThe Voice of the White House
December 9, 2005: Our source is on a short vacation. We are replacing his column with an interesting story that relates directly to his usual subjects:
Voice Of God Revealed To Be Cheney On Intercom
December 11th, 2005 at 6:59 pmhttp://www.theonion.com/content/node/43189
First, the red cross is not the Federal government.
Second, if thats the best you could come up with in an hour, then go tell whoever’s paying you to be here that they’re gettin ripped off.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:01 pmMUHHAHAHAHAAAAA
Bring it on TROLLIPS!!
LMAO
December 11th, 2005 at 7:01 pm–AckSyn JAckSyn
…….The UN-Wise
Wow, this guy’s a real genius: “First, the red cross is not the Federal government.”
ROFL
December 11th, 2005 at 7:03 pmOf course there was some errors on the local side. Hell, they were in the middle of a storm! What did you expect?
They were being battered by one of the worst storms in history, and your stupid, slothful maggot of a man Mike Brown was askin for clarification emails and if his freakin hair looked right.
Are you nuts?
Oh and where was lil Georgy porgy? Oh yea, where he was right before 911, on freakin vacation.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:05 pmHey IRI
December 11th, 2005 at 7:07 pmDecember 7, 2005
WASHINGTON, DC—Telephone logs recorded by the National Security Agency and obtained by Congress as part of an ongoing investigation suggest that the vice president may have used the Oval Office intercom system to address President Bush at crucial moments, giving categorical directives in a voice the president believed to be that of God.
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I would HATE to be Spending Money on a Harvard or Yale “EdumahCation” right about Now,,,
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BAWK BAWK, Foolish want a Cracker?
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December 11th, 2005 at 7:09 pmNOLA just aint a Rose of the Desert
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December 11th, 2005 at 7:11 pmMan I keep telling you wwallace, you’re your own worst freakin enemy.
Maybe you should just not open your mouth.
wwallace sai