Bush Advisor To Reporter: Katrina “Has Fallen So Far Off The Radar Screen, You Can’t Find Itâ€
Bush Advisor To Reporter: Katrina “Has Fallen So Far Off The Radar Screen, You Can’t Find Itâ€
On September 15, President Bush stood in Jackson Square in New Orleans and made a promise:
And tonight I also offer this pledge of the American people: Throughout the area hit by the hurricane, we will do what it takes, we will stay as long as it takes, to help citizens rebuild their communities and their lives. And all who question the future of the Crescent City need to know there is no way to imagine America without New Orleans, and this great city will rise again.
It hasn’t worked out that way. Here’s Washington Post reporter Mike Allen today on Meet the Press:
I’m going to tell you something to amaze you; it amazed me yesterday. The last time the president was in the hurricane region was October 11, two months ago. The president stood in New Orleans and said it was going to be one of the largest reconstruction efforts in the history of the world. You go to the White house home page, there’s Barney camp, there’s Social Security, there’s Renewing Iraq. Where’s renewing New Orleans? A presidential advisor told me that issue has fallen so far off the radar screen, you can’t find it.
The New York Times says the neglect is threatening the future of the city:
We are about to lose New Orleans. Whether it is a conscious plan to let the city rot until no one is willing to move back or honest paralysis over difficult questions, the moment is upon us when a major American city will die, leaving nothing but a few shells for tourists to visit like a museum.
Why does this president seem more interested in rebuilding Iraq than rebuilding America?
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New Orleans makes LA a blue state.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:01 pmEliminating NOLA might make LA red.
What is the motivation for everything the
neocons (I think BushCo has warped the meaning
of this term from "new" "conservative" to
"future" "convicts") do, but to distort power
through any means necessary?
"It's not on the home page, therefore nothing is being done"? ROFLMAO!!!
Good one Judd. Very funny. That was a joke, right? You can't be serious.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:05 pmThe tinfoil hat left sure loves their wacky conspiracy theories.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:06 pmGood Morning America, how are ya.? Bush is as usual not going to do anything about LO or any one in the south untill we the people make him do it. His photo op's were like all, Lies. He will do all he can to promote his personal wars because it benefits his rich suppliers like Hallaberton, Carlile, pharmacutals, Hmo's all war building companies and of course distroying all safety nets for the poor and middle class. Even unto selling off all our parks, wilderness and roadless areas with the help of Pombo. What we the people are suposto hold in trust, he, is taking away and putting up for sale. He and the far radical relegious right are on a quest to start the armagedon they believe in. Never mind the constitution, think like this nut case does or you out, or in jail. Untill we can get rid of this evil bunch we are stuck. Work to Impeach and clean up the house and senate please.......Blessings
December 11th, 2005 at 12:07 pmComment deleted by admin.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:09 pmInteresting how on a 3 paragraph post people
December 11th, 2005 at 12:10 pmcan still cherry pick only the weakest point
and act like it is all there was.
I think I'll call that a "modified straw-man" argument.
Intersting how a 3 paragraph post contained no facts other than the one about the WH home page.
Anonymous quotes and opinions from the DNC mouthpiece NY Times are not facts.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:12 pmWhy hell why rebuilt an American Historic treasure , let's destroy Irak it's easier and costlier .
December 11th, 2005 at 12:14 pmBTW, no offense, but by this point I thought "ROFLMAO!!!"
December 11th, 2005 at 12:15 pmwas only used by middle schoolers on IM.
Back to NOLA, has all the money been split up
between the cronies on no-bid contracts?
Is Lott's house all fixed up yet?
December 11th, 2005 at 12:18 pmI know that was the number 1 priority.
Once that was done, what else was there
that mattered?
/sarcasm
Katrina recovery “has fallen so far off the [Bush
It's easy to make promises. The tough part is keeping them. But as the memory of the horrors of the Katrina disaster fade (for those of us not directly impacted), so does our nation's (and national politicians') resolve to keep the promises made. In...
December 11th, 2005 at 12:24 pmDemon-o-cracy!
December 11th, 2005 at 12:27 pmThe article is A sad commentary on American priorities.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:31 pmWe will lose the New Orleans that we know,this is planned which Dennis Hastret gave away from the get go. Oil Companies will rebuild N.O. into their tyoe of city.
The poor of N.O. is a welcome feature for the oil execs.
bush is playing to his base yet again. The sooner Americans really grasp what is really happening in the Country the better prepared we will become to fight for our country.
The reserves are still patrolling N.O. the real question is how soon will bushco place the military into every major city?
December 11th, 2005 at 12:36 pmThe administration just happens to subscribe to what Garry Trudeau in Doonesbury once said, there are newer and fresher tragedies to be concerned with.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:36 pmAs an aside, has anyone ever seen any liberal/Democrat ever say anything positive about their country on this site? I haven't seen it happen. But don't dare question their patriotism.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:40 pmWhat can we say, wwallace? We calls 'em like we sees 'em. All right, you want positive? Uh. . .George Washington wasn't your typical slaveowner. That's right, while the father of our country didn't free his slaves outright, he did make provisions for them to be freed on his death. His wife was able to free the last of them before she died. . . Now please say something constructive, these talking points are getting on my nerves.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:45 pmOh, and he was "iffy" about the institution of slavery itself, and believed that, like Jefferson, that "all men are created equal." Oh, and he never lied, either.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:49 pmAnyone notice that wwallace has never said anything positive about this country on this site? I haven't seen it happen. It's clear from his posts that he hates American and Americans - but don't dare question his patriotism.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:53 pmPatriotism? Hatred is the right of every American. 'Cos that falls under free speech. And it's also our right and DUTY to call the government's actions into question. It's designed to keep another King George out of the White House.
December 11th, 2005 at 12:59 pmLocke, thank you for admitting that hatred and bigotry are the motivators for the left. Your honesty, on that point at least, is appreciated.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:05 pmBite me, Wallace. My loyalty is to the U.S., not to the Bush junta. What's patriotic or honorable about spending unknown billions on a bogus and hopeless war in Iraq while N.O. rots, while aid for poor Americans is cut so the super-rich can get a tax break, while investment in education and technology stagnates? - I could go on.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:05 pmYou haven't begun to demonstrate any loyalty to the US, and your word is no good.
The string of lies you posted doesn't help.
Anyone who claims education funding has "stagnated" just for the simplest example, has no credibility left whatsoever.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:11 pm"Why does this president seem more interested in rebuilding Iraq than rebuilding America? "
Since when is leaving a part of the coast that nature has placed under water, under water not rebuiliding America?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:12 pmwwallace, I would appreciate it in the future that you take what I say in context, and do not put words that aren't there. Did I say, "hatred and bigotry are the motivators for the left"? No, I didn't. I said it is the right of every American to speak hatefully. If it wasn't, then the KKK would either be in charge, or extinct, and they are neither. Thank you for not taking my comments out of context.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:12 pmWell since he is so used to answering questions with the words " I don't like to talk about an ongoing investigation" And he justs hates his homework, details, details details, he looks at loses like they were just baseball games, well we gotta do better next time. Next game? Next it will be don't blame me I'm just one guy trying to do the right thing for the american people". Sit back, relax, go to walmart. Will tell you the next time it is to vote for me.Don't blame me.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:14 pmAnyone notice that wwallace has never said anything positive about this country on this site? I haven’t seen it happen. It’s clear from his posts that he hates American and Americans - but don’t dare question his patriotism.
Comment by stefan
I'm afraid that in the context of these discussions, on this site and dealing with the ideas presented there is NOTHING POSITIVE to report. Let's put it this way; if I thought you losers made up even 50% of the people in this country I'd leave or blow my brains out.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:16 pmI guess Rove's troll class must not be
December 11th, 2005 at 1:18 pmmuch past "straw-man" in the syllabus.
Is the final before the Holidays? (I typed
Christmas first, but I figured O'Reilly would
like it better if I said "holidays".
Locke, "If it wasn’t, then the KKK would either be in charge, or extinct, and they are neither."
Well, they are currently in the leadership of the Democratic party in the US Senate.
Good point, I-RIGHT-I. Why is it the epitome of evil to put an oil rig in a desolate region of Alaska, but it's OK to build a city in a critical wetland area in Louisiana? Liberalism is so confused. :()
December 11th, 2005 at 1:19 pmGaramond: That's the whole point - folks like wwallace think that because dems/liberals "bitch" about things happening in this country, that we're unpatriotic. The billions spent on this crazy "war" could have been better spent on social issues - to help lift the most vulnerable in our society just a small notch. To give tax-cuts to the very wealthy - and at the same time propose budget cuts to programs that assist lower/middle class is almost criminal.
I am very patriotic and believe that America is a great country - it's just that America's image has been tarnished by a nutball administration hell-bent on war with anyone they don't agree with. (On a smaller scale, this is clear in Fox New's "war on Christmas" crap)
I watched F. 9/11 again and it reminded me yet again how out of touch the administration is - especially Bush's comment about the "haves and have mores" being his base. While I might disagree with M. Moore's comments in the film, the video clips of these people speaking for themselves says it all.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:19 pmWell, you have suggested two good options
December 11th, 2005 at 1:20 pmfor yourself, I might add, "go somewhere else
to practice your goose-step".
Why is it the epitome of evil to put an oil rig in a desolate region of Alaska, but it’s OK to build a city in a critical wetland area in Louisiana? Liberalism is so confused. :()
Comment by wwallace — December 11, 2005 @ 1:19 pm
I think this is a B- effort straw-man since it is too
December 11th, 2005 at 1:23 pmopen to "What does Alaska have to do with NOLA?"
replies.
The constitution just a piece of paper ?
"The peace accord of 1918 , is not worth the paper it's written on " -Hitler .
Was the german minister who equaled Georgie girl to Hitler right ?
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December 11th, 2005 at 1:25 pm"Well, they are currently in the leadership of the Democratic party in the US Senate."
Yeah, and I suppose there are none in the Republican leadership? I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours. ;)
December 11th, 2005 at 1:27 pm#28: Don't let the door hit you on the way out. :)
December 11th, 2005 at 1:27 pmMrTimPA, Fahrenheit 9/11 is a propaganda film in the tradition of Leni Reifenstahl.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:28 pmLocke, yes, do put up. Which member of the senate leadership on the Republican side was a grand wizard of the KKK?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:29 pmWWallace and Bushco wwould rather spend our money on an Islamic State than on Americans trying to rebuild their city after a disaster.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:36 pmWWallace and Bushco wwould rather see little islamic children have their school rebuilt than NO children.
What? All you've got to show me is Sen. Byrd, right? Who else you got?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:39 pmWWhy turn your back on Americans wwally and Bushco. Do you love and respect Islam more than America? Are you(Bushco) and the Islamic terrorists in bed together against the American people?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:40 pmLet's set up a White House South in New Orleans and force the Administration to live amid the ruins so they can't forget.
A friend of mine has been down to Mississippi several times for construction projects and says it's a depressing sight (which it already was to some degree before the storm, with the poverty and neglect that falls off the radar of politics every day).
Prior to voting themselves at $3,100 raise in Congress, they voted down an increase to the $5.15 minimum wage again (it's been that rate since 1987 and every year Ted Kennedy bring it up for a vot and evey year after rejecting it, they vote themselves a Constitutionally protected pay increase. They don't seem to be earning their $165,000...)
December 11th, 2005 at 1:42 pmP.S. Let's send the NeoCons down to New Orleans as well. No internet service... we'd get a nice break from their ideoligical rhetoric for a while!
December 11th, 2005 at 1:43 pmI think it is safe to say Bushco is an Arab lover, an Islam lover, and an oil industry lover . Why doesn't Bushco love the American people?
December 11th, 2005 at 1:47 pmI mean, if you want to talk bigotry and hatred
December 11th, 2005 at 1:48 pmI am very patriotic and believe that America is a great country - it’s just that America’s image has been tarnished by a nutball administration hell-bent on war with anyone they don’t agree with.
Comment by MrTimPA
Ok fine, you're a patriot, a stupid patriot. You belong to the Stupid Party. Actually the Stupid and Dishonest Party.
Please note what Condi Rice said recently;
"Our experience of this new world leads us to conclude that the fundamental character of regimes matters more today than the international distribution of power. Insisting otherwise is imprudent and impractical. The goal of our statecraft is to help create a world of democratic, well-governed states that can meet the needs of their citizens and conduct themselves responsibly in the international system."
This in a nutshell is the American Doctrine. As always, we Americans reserve the right to intervene on behalf of the liberty of peoples around the world. It's what we do and the only time we have failed in our mission is when the Filthy Left has made the job of destroying communists and mass murdering thugs too difficult at home.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:48 pmLike the world even trusts that woman any more
December 11th, 2005 at 1:54 pmI think wwallace is one we will have to shun. His comments are irrelevant, his attacks are personal, he repeatedly expresses his hatred for anyone who disagrees with him, he adds nothing to the discourse. The results are off topic blasts that enlighten no one.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:54 pmUnless of course, one considers confirming that wwallace is ignorant is enlightening.
As an American soldier stationed in Iraq, I think it is much more important to get Iraqi children into their rebuilt schools and learning asap than my own people. I also approve of hiring illegal aliens to clean up NO with my tax dollars. Heck, I just may give away my body armor to an insurgent today.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:55 pmI'll give him one thing, Marie. . .he's teaching me to create better arguments. :)
December 11th, 2005 at 1:55 pm"MrTimPA, Fahrenheit 9/11 is a propaganda film in the tradition of Leni Reifenstahl." - by wwallace.
F-9/11 is a film with a certain point of view - I repeat, it's a film with a certain point of view. It wasn't a "news" report played on various networks as news - unlike what the current administration has been doing. But, as such, the film had plenty of film clips of administration folks speaking for themselves. Those clips are very telling.
December 11th, 2005 at 1:56 pmOther than show up and be accused of another Photo Op, what can the President do? The states affected have Congressional and Senatorial representation as well as local representatives. The Armys Corps is there, as are many other clean up crews and construction crews....it's only been about 90 days since activity could begin again. Wanting everthing the 'way it was' simply can't work...the cleanup alone will not be short lived and that's not a Presidential obligation. Strategic planning, bids and architectural design don't happen in this short a time frame. Is it perfect NO....but to say nothing is being done discounts the efforts of people on the ground there and we're not privy to the daily planning that may be underway by state, federal and private interests.
I would like to see a CEO type person in charge of the redevelopment or coordination....at a minimum a point of contact for what is and isn't being done, so we could have an informed opinion, rather than just a reporters take on what he saw.
rich
December 11th, 2005 at 1:57 pm# 47
That's guiberish ,double talk , spin She is justifying torture in diplomatic jargon .
December 11th, 2005 at 1:57 pmMrTim, it's a film filled with lies and dishonest spin.
Locke, how long are we going to have to wait for you to put up ,as you promised in #36? :()
December 11th, 2005 at 2:00 pmThere is no defense for Bush&Co ignoring the disaster of New Orleans. The night he made his eerie appearance in N.O. was an omen that soon N.O. would be no more than a ghost in the grand schemes of Bush&Co.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:01 pmThat they would allow a city with the history of N.O. sink into oblivion with its population should be no surprise to anyone familiar with their usual m o. Poor people are to be swatted away like gnats to the unethical immoral cabal occupying the White House.
We all should look around and think what would happen if our city were to be struck with disaster.
I think Marie is one we will have to shun. Her comments are irrelevant, her attacks are personal, she repeatedly expresses her hatred for anyone who disagrees with her, she adds nothing to the discourse. The results are off topic blasts that enlighten no one.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:01 pmUnless of course, one considers confirming that Marie is ignorant is enlightening.
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December 11th, 2005 at 2:02 pmrichb, I remind you that the person in charge of supervising the rebulding of New Orleans was none other than Karl Rove.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:03 pmApparently you missed #46. What? Not linked to the KKK, you say? Well, he certainly had their rhetoric down pat.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:04 pmSgt. Carter,
Great Idea. no one over here misses you anyway. can,t you tell?
Heck, I just may give away my body armor to an insurgent today.
also, shouldn,t you TEACH Them how to wear it first?
December 11th, 2005 at 2:06 pmwhile you are at it, teach them how to shoot your M-16.
Then Stand in front of them for Target Practice.
Education allways first, Sir.
I heard Pickles and the twins served as stewardesses on the emergency Bin Laden flights out of the U.S., post 9/11. They served, shined shoes, lit cigars, carried bags, read aloud from the Koran etc, etc.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:08 pmHey freedumb are you missing the point again, you stupd F-up!
December 11th, 2005 at 2:13 pmAre you short a few brain cells, cause you are constantly misunderstanding comments. Go back to Bible quotes you stupid douche bag. You are definitely sarcasm impaired.
Demon-o-cracy! At its Best Gomer.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:17 pmJudd, that is an excellent question. Why is Bush more interested in rebuilding Iraq than in rebuilding an American city? Bush did not stay the course in New Orleans, he did the cut and run.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:21 pmBy The Way #62. Name fits you to a t.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:23 pmas in Twit. Gooollly.
Pvt Pyle.
#66 means #63. not #62
December 11th, 2005 at 2:24 pmLocke, your link in #46 in no way backs your assertion, on any level. Just to begin with, Helms is retired. :()
December 11th, 2005 at 2:24 pmWhat have you got to offer then?
December 11th, 2005 at 2:25 pmDifinition of Demon-o-cracy!
December 11th, 2005 at 2:25 pmFighting Evil With Evil!
Just ignore these trollish morons. They are only trying to incite you folks enough to get your comments moderated or even have one of your IPs banned. They only post nonsense that isn't worthy of a response in any case. These are the kind of fools that are worthy of direct action. Engaging them here is a waste of time. As Bush pulls out more and more of the troops from Iraq these kinds of slime and scum will start to disappear from the radar, the returning troops will likely find them spouting off their ignorant bullshit from their usual barstool, the only place they feel safe, aside from at the computer in mommy's basement, and beat the crap out of them, hopefully badly enough to put them in a wheelchair for life or plant them in the ground.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:28 pm(Sigh) You do have a great point, KillCon. Some reason is always welcome. . .
December 11th, 2005 at 2:31 pmAll KillCon is doing in #71 is projecting.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:33 pmTrue. . .but at least it's reasonable projecting, aside from the violence and sweeping generalization.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:35 pmIf these conservative trolls loved their country--REALLY loved it--they'd be over in Iraq right now, helping to defeat the insurgents. But the fact that they're posting here, and not fighting in a war they so strongly support, only shows what chickenhawks these guys are.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:35 pmThen again, if I'd done time in Iraq, I'd probably be pissed off enough to beat such a "patriot" senseless, too.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:36 pmI’m afraid that in the context of these discussions, on this site and dealing with the ideas presented there is NOTHING POSITIVE to report. Let’s put it this way; if I thought you losers made up even 50% of the people in this country I’d leave or blow my brains out.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 11, 2005
No wonder you are in denial of the truth 24/7. You'd be dead already if you had to face facts and accept reality,(then there is the small matter of you lacking the balls to do it, or anything else for that matter). Like I said, people with the balls to deal with the likes of you will be returning home soon enough, pissed as hell at whiney little pukes like you.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:36 pmaside from the violence and sweeping generalization.
Comment by Locke —
Violence, though most everyone of them lacks the balls to use it, definitely gets their attention, especially when they are getting the crap kicked out of them.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:40 pmAnd the sweeping generalizations? I'm sure not ALL of them are in their parent's basement. Some of them MUST be shacking up in the garage as well.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:42 pm#5
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Comment by wwallace — December 11, 2005 @ 12:09 pm
Thanks, Think Progress.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:44 pmExcellent, it looks as if we can FINALLY have some spirited debates! Back to topic, the NYT editorial is particularly caustic, yet genuine. One of the better editorials I've read in a while. What's to be done? It seems hopeless to wring a straight answer out of the admin.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:51 pmI'm sure if Bush's evangelical bloc decided that this was an issue worth pursuing, he'd be all over it like white on rice. But they're far too preoccupied with the bogus "War on Christmas."
December 11th, 2005 at 2:55 pmUgh. . .do we HAVE to go back to that? If I rant any more on that malarky my head's gonna explode.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:56 pm#
And the sweeping generalizations? I’m sure not ALL of them are in their parent’s basement. Some of them MUST be shacking up in the garage as well.
Most of them are like Iron Fist of Little Green Footballs.
He couldn't get jumped into the Hell's Angels because he is a giant pussy so he acts like a tough guy on line.
Jesus' General has some great posts on that non-entity if you look through the archives.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:56 pmIm with you, Locke. I tired of that ridiculous story long ago, but you get my point.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:58 pmLet’s put it this way; if I thought you losers made up even 50% of the people in this country I’d leave or blow my brains out.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 11, 2005
You are always going on about having the gun and the ammo... is it your brain you are having a bit of difficulty locating? Try aiming for your ample ass.
December 11th, 2005 at 2:58 pmThanks for the links, KillCon, I'll look into it some more.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:00 pmYes, Librarian, I most certainly understand where you're coming from. It's like, "Um, HELLO! There's a majority over here that you're not listening to, Mr. Bush!"
December 11th, 2005 at 3:01 pmLMAO! Thankfully our brains are where they should be or we'd all be like them...
"Ever since the Newsweek story broke, Iron Fist has holed himself in our basement with twelve bags of Tostitos and five bottles of root beer," said the mother of LGF regular Iron Fist. "He hasn't bathed since Sunday and he refuses to change out of his LGF paraphernalia. The neighbors are starting to complain about the stench."
December 11th, 2005 at 3:01 pmThere is a website devoted to these morons. It's called LGF watch.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:03 pmWhat happened to Christian Values? I thought Jesus taught about love thy neighbor, give to the poor, and other such stuff. Why do the Republicans hate Jesus?
December 11th, 2005 at 3:03 pmauto transport
For Admin re #34.
How did I offend thee?
Tell me now and I will never repeat my sin.
I would appreciate an answer via E-mail as you can respond in greater detail without revealing my transgression.
No offense taken as I am sure none was intended.
Thanks,
Clyde
December 11th, 2005 at 3:09 pmAre Democrats without sin? Hell no. Robert Byrd and Fritz Hollings at earlier points in their careers have made racist remarks and voted against civil rights issues. But, in the case of these two individuals, they've at least tried to atone for their earlier ignorance and make amends.
If we're talking current Republican senators who've recently been caught on record making racist statements: William Bennet and Trent Lott are two names you might remeber hearing.
If we're talking voting record in regards to civil rights issues, then there's not enough room on this blog for me to list all the names, but here's a few lesser know names: Jefferson Sessions and George Allen.
How about Republican Congressmen?
Cass Ballenger and Tom Craddick easily come to mind.
Then there are the shady, hard to trace acts of racism, like the large scale, organized voter disenfranchisement campaigns waged in 2000 and 2004 that took place in Ohio, Florida, New Mexico and the Carolinas, or the whisper campaign that Bush pulled in the 2000 primaries against McCain.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:09 pmThis in a nutshell is the American Doctrine. As always, we Americans reserve the right to intervene on behalf of the liberty of peoples around the world. It’s what we do and the only time we have failed in our mission is when the Filthy Left has made the job of destroying communists and mass murdering thugs too difficult at home.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 11, 2005 @ 1:48 pm
LMAO! You need to hook up with Larry the Cable guy and take that act on the road! It's the funniest thing I've seen today! "Git 'er done!"
December 11th, 2005 at 3:11 pmThoreau and "Civil Disobedience"
Perhaps "civil" doesn't necessarily mean "polite", "courteous" or "non-violent".
The Theory, Practice, and Influence of Thoreau's Civil Disobedience
Most importantly, Thoreau does not associate his action with a position on violence. Tolstoy and Gandhi and King have of course associated Thoreau's essay with a rejection of violence. An anonymous member of the Danish resistance learned a different lesson from it:
And though they contradict each other, both readings of Thoreau are right.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:23 pmThank you Judd, for demonstrating your blind partisanship in deleting my comment about your dishonesty. Obviously, you can dish it out, but you can't take any criticism.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:24 pmcomment#27, why did IrightI respond to a comment intended for wwallace?
December 11th, 2005 at 3:24 pmhehe. one of a kind?
Liberal Librarian, re #74, did you support the invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11?
December 11th, 2005 at 3:25 pm"This in a nutshell is the American Doctrine. As always, we Americans reserve the right to intervene on behalf of the liberty of peoples around the world. It’s what we do and the only time we have failed in our mission is when the Filthy Left has made the job of destroying communists and mass murdering thugs too difficult at home."
What a joke. How much do you get paid to write this tripe? You certainly deserve another virtual banana for being a good Beta-monkey, though....here's you reward -> (
December 11th, 2005 at 3:30 pmmore like one and the same, Freedom :D
December 11th, 2005 at 3:30 pmHello Guys
I live in Finland (its in northern Europe). There was a big article in todays paper in our nations biggest news paper Helsingin Sanomat about New Orleans and the mess.
In my opinion it was a major blunder.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:32 pmwwallace...do you get paid double-time for Sunday's? Here's a virtual banana for you, too -> (
December 11th, 2005 at 3:34 pmMy question to you I-RIGHT-I, what do I need to do, to help you believe that today?
Anything I can do to help I will be glad to.
In fact, it will be my pleasure :D
December 11th, 2005 at 3:35 pmTuomas, did the article mention that state and local authorities are the first responders in such a disaster, and that the state and local governments in Louisiana are run by Democrats?
December 11th, 2005 at 3:36 pmInnocent Bystander, your ad hominem attacks are a violation of the site Terms of Use. They also indicate you have no arguments.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:37 pmWallace:
I did not delete any comment about me. Your comments about me are still in this thread, as anyone can verify. I deleted a comment that specifically attacked another commenter on this blog and had no substantive content. I also deleted a couple of comments by liberal commenters for the same reason.
Also, instead of spending so much time on the meta-discussion of our comments policy, maybe we could address the issues. For example, if you believe that the administration is doing a good job in the aftermath of Katrina, provide some evidence to support your claim.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:39 pmwwallace and IRI, why do you bozos even come here to this site?
You spew your garbage and do nothing but attempt to bring disent to the site. This is just the thing that the Republicans are know for. I am not a member of any party, and I think that parties should be gotten rid of as all they do is divide that country.
The best person should be voted into office, not whether he is a Republican or a Democrate.
You on the other hand are so brainwashed by your party that you can't even think for yourselfs. This party in power does not even respect or acknowledge the Constitution. "Quit throwing the Constitution in my face, it's just a goddamn peice of paper."
The problem that sane people, such as many on this site, are pointing out is that the current people in power are more interrested in other countries than our own.
You and your kind demonstrate the reason that Hitler came into power and why our country is soon going to be a country ran by a Hitler type government or our country will be like the USSR was.
I hope you enjoyed your freedoms why you had them. I would just like to ask for a thank you and for you to shut your mouth. From what I have heard I can pretty much tell that you have never served in the military, and I have so just thank me for the freedom that I provided you through my services to this country.
December 11th, 2005 at 3:54 pmIt has already been reported that the investigation of the Katrina reponse shows that Govenor Kathleen Blanco did in fact ask the White House a week prior for support, and the goverment responses were criminally negligent.
The hubris to defend the Federal response to Katrina is why this administration is sooooo badly hated throughout the world.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:06 pmKatrina , not only exposed inadiquicies in leadership from the Whitehouse , but also the great lengths they take from abstaining from blame while laying blame on others . That's all in black and white with the release of the e-mails to and from the govener of La.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:11 pm“This in a nutshell is the American Doctrine. As always, we Americans reserve the right to intervene on behalf of the liberty of peoples around the world. It’s what we do and the only time we have failed in our mission is when the Filthy Left has made the job of destroying communists and mass murdering thugs too difficult at home.â€
A textbook case.
They knew all about you way back in 1965:
Pseudoconservativism is among other things a disorder in relation to authority, characterized by an inability to find other modes for human relationship than those of more or less complete domination or submission. The pseudo-conservative is a man who, in the name of upholding traditional American values and institutions and defending them against more or less fictitious dangers, consciously or unconsciously aims at their abolition. [He] sees his own country as being so weak that it is constantly about to fall victim to subversion; and yet he feels that it is so all-powerful that any failure it may experience in getting its way in the world cannot possibly be due to its limitations but must be attributed to its having been betrayed.
Richard Hofstadter, The Paranoid Style in American Politics and Other Essays, 1965.
Seek help.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:12 pm#107
How true. Sick, isn't it? I don't go to conservative blogs and attack the neocons. I bet you don't either. I think they are here because they are afraid of progressives getting together, and are try to distract us. We should have an entire week of refusing to respond to any of them and just discuss the issues with one another. I have a feeling that without the flies buzzing around we'd actually accomplish some rational discussions, and that's what they fear the most...
December 11th, 2005 at 4:39 pmComment deleted by admin.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:39 pmNo one claimed there were no mistakes at the federal level. But most of the problem with the response came from the state and local levels.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:41 pmSorry Judd, I mistook which one was deleted. But look at all the bile coming from the left in these comments, in practically every comment they post. The double standard is obvious. Not that I mind, the more liberals show themselves to be hateful kooks the better, as far as I'm concerned.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:43 pmHow true. Sick, isn’t it? I don’t go to conservative blogs and attack the neocons. I bet you don’t either. I think they are here because they are afraid of progressives getting together, and are try to distract us. We should have an entire week of refusing to respond to any of them and just discuss the issues with one another. I have a feeling that without the flies buzzing around we’d actually accomplish some rational discussions, and that’s what they fear the most…
Comment by unbelievable
Most major conservative sites, Malkin, Instaputz, Powertools, don't allow comments because everyone hates them. When you sell hate, it generally comes back to you tenfold. There are some smaller sites that do, but if you don't act like a Bushco cheerleader you get banned in under thirty seconds. And so they come here because only on liberal and progressive sites do they have a chance to pull this shit, and yes, they fear us. They fear everything. They are cowards, each and everyone of them, just like Chimpy "AWOL" McBush and Dick "I had other priorities" Cheney.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:46 pm#114 So why do you hang out here? It's liberal website. Clearly, you're not changing anyone's mind. You're not making sense. And you're just making a mess of the wall that you're beating your head against. Why oh why do you do it?
December 11th, 2005 at 4:47 pmBut look at all the bile coming from the left in these comments, in practically every comment they post. The double standard is obvious. Not that I mind, the more liberals show themselves to be hateful kooks the better, as far as I’m concerned.
Comment by wwallace
Why are we not surprised that you can't take a hint.
Perhaps if you weren't so dense and clueless you could add to the dialogue. Nah.... never happen.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:48 pmunbelievable, thank you for admitting liberals tend to be closed-minded.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:49 pm#115 Ah yes, makes sense, the freedom is here. Of course. How ironical!
Thanks for the rational thoughts, cause I know I'm just gonna get some third grade insults from my post above, as usual.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:49 pmKillCon, perhaps if you weren’t so dense and clueless you could add to the dialogue. Nah…. never happen.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:50 pm#118 If your spin makes you laugh or feel proud, then you are the only one. I used to be a Republican conservative, so clearly my mind can be changed. But only by logic and wisdom and insight, nothing you guys are posting. What I said is that you can't affect change with insults. But, obviously, that's all you have.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:52 pm#114 So why do you hang out here? It’s liberal website. Clearly, you’re not changing anyone’s mind. You’re not making sense. And you’re just making a mess of the wall that you’re beating your head against. Why oh why do you do it?
Comment by unbelievable
We only get the nutbars. It's their job to troll here and propagandize, obfuscate and spred disinformation. There are a few who are less of an annoyance. They get treated roughly themselves. There are very few sites that have been successful trying to have a dialogue with both sides these days. They are shutting down in droves. It's going to get worse before it gets better. The fact is, the number of people who side with these morons is shrinking rapidly. Every day that goes by, they are becoming the lunatic fringe that they originally were. Hallelujah! It won't matter. After they get their asses kicked in 2006 and 2008 and 2010, 2012.... and on and on... there will stil be clowns like this here telling you that Bush is the greatest preznit in the history of the world and the entire country thinks just like they do. That's called delusion.
December 11th, 2005 at 4:54 pm#118 If your spin makes you laugh or feel proud, then you are the only one. I used to be a Republican conservative, so clearly my mind can be changed. But only by logic and wisdom and insight, nothing you guys are posting. What I said is that you can’t affect change with insults. But, obviously, that’s all you have.
Comment by unbelievable
Excellent, and welcome! Perhaps you could share with us what it was, or when you had that moment, that transformation. Maybe it wasn't a moment but a long process. Like I said, our numbers grow as more people like you come to their senses and that's what scares them. They help make that change permanent by doing what they do. They actually think they are helping their cause. Insanity, ain't it?
December 11th, 2005 at 5:01 pm#122
I'm amazed at some of the ridiculous things some of these people post. It's clearly fear based propaganda. Didn't know about the other sites because I don't look for them. I was raised Republican, I know their agenda, and I don't need to go near it anymore. It never changes and is based on fear tactics. I actually feel sorry for some of them, they seem really lonely and pathetic. Well thanks for the enlightening info. It's only progressives that are posting anything worth reading.
Oh, you'll like this - I'm a liberal teacher in a conservative district, and the kids are sponges. I've already educated a few on the misconceptions they have about the world, and taught them that they should question everything they are told. They love me too because I don't lie to them. Am converting their progeny and they can't do a thing to stop me...
December 11th, 2005 at 5:04 pmIt amazes me that GW has to look for things to do when the whole country is in the toilet. Katrina will ensure that the south votes blue for the next three generations. What person affected by this mismanaged catastrophe would ever reward the party that has ignored it and exascerbated it?
Its patriotic to dissent. Anyone who doesn't get that should put down Mein Kampf and pick up the diaries of Franklin, T. Roosevelt and Edward R. Murrow.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:04 pmunbelievable, thank you for admitting liberals tend to be closed-minded.
Comment by wwallace — December 11, 2005
Actually wwallace, the word liberal, ia a derivative of the word Liberty. Therefore, one can conclude that the terminology was applied due to their inherint liberal, or "open" mindedness.
On the other, the term Conservative, is a derivative of the word "conserve" which means to restrict or limit the use of, and therefore one could easily conclude that the term was applied due to their inherent restricted, limited or closed mindedness.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:11 pmIn fact, one could say they hate us for our freedom.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:11 pm#123
Thanks. For once, the grass actually is greener. Nice to be here, most of teh time :).
Well, you and I had a bit of a "heated debate" :) about religion in another thread... that's actually part of the transformation for me. With the Repblicans and Corporate America, they expect a god like worship and blind faith from us. When I could no longer give those things to religion, I couldn't give them to anything else either. The rest was traveling around the world, meeting different people from differnt walks of life, reading non-fiction, listening to the liberal argument and living in California for a while. A lot also had to do with finding value in myself. I'm one of those dysfunctional kids who got better, so to speak. I think for myself now. And when you do that, as I'm sure you know, there's no way to not leave the cons and come here. I'm so much happier.
So, what about you, what's your background? I'm always interested in learning about and from other people. Well, rational people. I feel I have a lifetime of ignorance to dispell and I can't seem to do it fast enough :).
December 11th, 2005 at 5:13 pm#126, in fact calling themselves "liberal" or "progressive" is just one more thing leftists lie about.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:19 pmThat was the Democrats, rogue. Things generally went much better in Florida and Mississippi, which have Republican governors, than in Louisiana, which has a Democrat governor.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:22 pmLoL, you're in here talking to liberals about lying?
LoL, thats another good one wwallace, you really are a funny guy.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:22 pm# 129 oh, do enlighten us... how is that? i'm up for a good laugh.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:22 pmThings generally went much better in Florida and Mississippi, which have Republican governors, than in Louisiana, which has a Democrat governor.
Comment by wwallace — December 11, 2005 @ 5:22 pm
Yea, wonder why things went much better in states with republican govenors? Wonder why the Federal response was so much better......hmmmm......
December 11th, 2005 at 5:24 pmCome on then wally, lets see what you ahve there: prove to us that leftists are not liberal or progressive. I'm open minded, you can have another chance to impress me with your razor-sharp intellect, wit and logic.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:24 pmThe state and local response was better, because the Democrats running Louisiana are incompetent.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:26 pmComment deleted by admin.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:27 pmHmm, thats funny, because the records show that Govenor Blanco requested Federal assistance before any other state.
But the Federal Government for some reason, dismissed and ignored her requests.
In other words, what you just said, was a LIE.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:28 pmHmm, not a good start wally. Let's see, I start with an open-minded 'liberal' comment that I am willing to be convinced that you have an argument and can make it. You respond with an insult. Not a good start for you. Try again.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:29 pmSo, what about you, what’s your background? I’m always interested in learning about and from other people. Well, rational people. I feel I have a lifetime of ignorance to dispell and I can’t seem to do it fast enough :).
Comment by unbelievable
At one time I was a bit more conservative than I am today. I am a semi-retired musician and I used to work in the recording industry. I got seriously interested in politics about a year and a half ago, probably like you, when I realized we were being sold a pig in a poke. I started reading blogs and I am finding many of my attitudes changing. During the 90's I was fairly sympathetic to certain right wing causes but no longer. I am a left leaning libertarian. There is a site called political compass. It's not like those silly right wing libertarian political tests (The Nolan test) that give everyone the idea they are a right wing libertarian. Check it out.
Political Compass
December 11th, 2005 at 5:29 pm#136 Nope, that's not what we're looking for. Try again.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:30 pmIn fact, your pathetic republican led FEMA director was a national joke, a humiliating embarrasment for the US in the eyes of our citizens, and the world.
You guys were a joke, and absolute idiotic group of numbskulls running around bumping into each other. Mike Brown has become a national symbol of shame, and a forevor reminder of the bungling, imcompetent idiots and assholes that encompass your current administration.
You're a joke.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:31 pmThe unbelievable thing, is your so stupid, you actually come in here to argue the Federal response to Katrina.
What a pathetic, low life volkssturm you must be, for them to throw you out here to defend the indefensable.
They must really respect you :D
December 11th, 2005 at 5:35 pm"But the Federal Government for some reason, dismissed and ignored her requests."
This is a lie.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:38 pmHey, that sounds like a good title for a book.
"Idiots and assholes" a history of the republican party under George "dubya" Bush.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:38 pmThe Red Cross confirms Worfeus is lying:
December 11th, 2005 at 5:41 pm
An excellent site for critiques on liberatarianism...
Bear in mind I consider myself a left leaning libertarian.
It can take you years to wade through all the information on Mike Huben's site. It's worth the time.
Critiques of Libertarianism
December 11th, 2005 at 5:43 pmMore confirmation Worfeus is lying:
December 11th, 2005 at 5:43 pm
I'm sure Judd appreciates this elevation of the debate for Worfeus:
December 11th, 2005 at 5:44 pm
#139
What instrument did/do you play? Do you still?
That's a cool test. You'll laugh. I make Gandhi look like a Neocon :). I'm very much an anarchistic collectivist (-7,-9). What about you?
December 11th, 2005 at 5:45 pmGovenor Katherine Blanco, August 29th
"We need buses," Andy Kopplin, chief of staff August 30th
On September 2nd, Govenor Blanco request once again for support, this time asking for 40,000 more troops; ice, water and food; buses, base camps, staging areas, amphibious vehicles, mobile morgues, rescue teams, housing, airlift and communications systems.
And we all saw the response. All except apparantly the moron called wwallace.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:48 pmWawa-walla really doesn't deserve a response most of the time. Truth is his only value here is that of a whipping boy, but that does mean we lower the level of discourse down to his level and Think progress is rapidly becoming a very popular site that may be featured and quoted in the old media so that's why they want to keep the comments presentable. I'm all for that.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:48 pm#146 Cool - thanks, I'll check it out after dinner... Liberals are so much more helpful and sharing than Conservatives. Must be our closed minds :). Will talk again soon after I've done some reading... Nice to meet you!
December 11th, 2005 at 5:49 pmThat's it wwallace, go cryin to mommy.
If I didn't know better, I would say that was Robert Novak on the other end of that keyboard.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:50 pm#139
What instrument did/do you play? Do you still?
That’s a cool test. You’ll laugh. I make Gandhi look like a Neocon :). I’m very much an anarchistic collectivist (-7,-9). What about you?
Comment by unbelievable
I haven't taken it in awhile. I think I will try it again. Drums, and I haven't had a chance to hit anything lately, but if I ever do get the chance, it will likely be a Republican and I'll be using a cluebat.
December 11th, 2005 at 5:51 pmI know Killcon, I know. I already got kicked from Huffingtonpost.
Heck, I'm surprised they let me hang out in here this long :|
December 11th, 2005 at 5:56 pmYeah, about the same as before. I'm to the left of Ghandi!
December 11th, 2005 at 5:59 pmI'm down there with the Dalai Lama!
-8,-8.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:04 pmI guess you could say I fit in more with, oh I don't know...say Slappy White?
December 11th, 2005 at 6:06 pmPerhaps it's just as well that New Orleans is not heavily rebuilt at the same site. Southern Louisiana is sinking quickly and NO will never be above sea level again.
I hope NO retains some population and some of it's history and celebration, but in the long run we'll all have to move out of southern Louisiana.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:06 pm:). Will talk again soon after I’ve done some reading… Nice to meet you!
Comment by unbelievable
The pleasure was mine. Glad to help and glad to have you here.
Worfeus,
I had a few comments moderated at HuffPo, but banning? Tone it down, bro. We need ya here!
December 11th, 2005 at 6:07 pmSlappy White
December 11th, 2005 at 6:07 pmComment deleted by admin.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:08 pmThe message I got was the WH does not want to tackle the NO porblem because it would involve brining more light to their poor handling of the emergency.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:09 pmAgain, these folks are out of touch.
Gee, do you think Red Cross FAQs might be a bit biased or self-serving?
See what Wikipedia has to say...
December 11th, 2005 at 6:10 pmI'll do my best.
I think perhaps that somtimes, on a subconcious level, I think maybe I secretly want to get banned, you know, so I can have my life back. :D
December 11th, 2005 at 6:10 pmGill,
Perhaps it’s just as well that New Orleans is not heavily rebuilt at the same site. Southern Louisiana is sinking quickly and NO will never be above sea level again
There is some rational for that but then again, the Dutch have the same problem and have managed for centuries. I saw a guy on CSPAN talking about the issues there. It's a very complex environmental problem and you know how seriously this admin takes environmental issues.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:14 pmI think perhaps that somtimes, on a subconcious level, I think maybe I secretly want to get banned, you know, so I can have my life back. :D
Comment by WORFEUS
I hear that! We should get paid like the trolls do.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:16 pmYou're absolutely right on the Dutch, KillCon.
My family is from Amsterdam, and my Dad will be the first to tell you that the multi-tiered Dutch dyke system, is the best in the world, and they did it before modern machinery and technology.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:17 pmActually my Dad would kill me for saying that. It's Rotterdam actually.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:19 pmI think it's funny that in a post about how the country has forgotten New Orleans, 2/3s of the comments have nothing to do with New Orleans.
December 11th, 2005 at 6:39 pmWorfeus, yes, we all saw the pictures of all those school buses the mayor of NO left in the parking lot that flooded.
I posted the statement from the Red Cross stating that they were on site with supplies, but the locals would not let them in. But I guess they're just kying PNAC shills, eh? ROFL
December 11th, 2005 at 6:58 pmThe Voice of the White House
December 9, 2005: Our source is on a short vacation. We are replacing his column with an interesting story that relates directly to his usual subjects:
Voice Of God Revealed To Be Cheney On Intercom
December 11th, 2005 at 6:59 pmhttp://www.theonion.com/content/node/43189
First, the red cross is not the Federal government.
Second, if thats the best you could come up with in an hour, then go tell whoever's paying you to be here that they're gettin ripped off.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:01 pmMUHHAHAHAHAAAAA
Bring it on TROLLIPS!!
LMAO
December 11th, 2005 at 7:01 pm--AckSyn JAckSyn
.......The UN-Wise
Wow, this guy's a real genius: "First, the red cross is not the Federal government."
ROFL
December 11th, 2005 at 7:03 pmOf course there was some errors on the local side. Hell, they were in the middle of a storm! What did you expect?
They were being battered by one of the worst storms in history, and your stupid, slothful maggot of a man Mike Brown was askin for clarification emails and if his freakin hair looked right.
Are you nuts?
Oh and where was lil Georgy porgy? Oh yea, where he was right before 911, on freakin vacation.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:05 pmHey IRI
December 11th, 2005 at 7:07 pmDecember 7, 2005
WASHINGTON, DC—Telephone logs recorded by the National Security Agency and obtained by Congress as part of an ongoing investigation suggest that the vice president may have used the Oval Office intercom system to address President Bush at crucial moments, giving categorical directives in a voice the president believed to be that of God.
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I would HATE to be Spending Money on a Harvard or Yale "EdumahCation" right about Now,,,
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BAWK BAWK, Foolish want a Cracker?
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December 11th, 2005 at 7:09 pmNOLA just aint a Rose of the Desert
December 11th, 2005 at 7:11 pmcomment deleted by admin.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:11 pmMan I keep telling you wwallace, you're your own worst freakin enemy.
Maybe you should just not open your mouth.
wwallace said:
ROFL
No slappy, it's not a member of the Federal Government. Go look it up on their website, http://www.redcross.org (hint genius, Federal Government organizations have .gov addresses)
From The American Red Cross Website
December 11th, 2005 at 7:12 pmOnce more wwallace you may consider your wittle cuckoo clock clean
December 11th, 2005 at 7:14 pmWorfeus, of course the red cross isn't part of the federal government. Eeveryone besides you knew thqt before today, genius. ROFL
December 11th, 2005 at 7:14 pm#147 & 171
December 11th, 2005 at 7:14 pmWally, that quote you posted has been debunked. ">debunked and put into context with the administration's Katrina damage control spin. Nice try.
Harvey Shemon
NOLA isnt a Desert Rose..
December 11th, 2005 at 7:15 pmThe WHite House is?
while Pretty on the Outside,
IT sure HOLDS a whole lotta Ugly..-Aj
#
Once more wwallace you may consider your wittle cuckoo clock clean
Comment by WORFEUS — December 11, 2005 @ 7:14 pm
December 11th, 2005 at 7:17 pm~~~
Only too happy to Oblige...-Aj
M. Duchamp, they have not been debunked.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:18 pmOh that's good. Lets see, how far back did you post your ridicule of my statement that the red cross was not the government?
Oh yea, right here.
In Post number 175 wwallace, referring to WORFEUS said:
Then wwallace next quoted WORFEUS from 2 posts previous where WORFEUS said:
NEXT, wwallace responded by saying
So ROFL, which is laughing at my previous post, thereby discrediting it. In other words, you scoffed at the idea that the Red Cross was not the Federal Government.
Of course, now that you are busted on it, you did what you always do everytime I whooop up on your dumb ass, you deny that's what you ever said, or meant.
What a pathetic excuse for a debator you are.
Comment by wwallace — December 11
December 11th, 2005 at 7:22 pm#187
December 11th, 2005 at 7:22 pmOh Wally, you obviously didn't read my link. Do you need someone to read it to you and explain things? I can type slowly if you like...
Sorry about the Comment by wwallace — December 11, that got dropped on their by mistake.
I don't want to confuse anyone into thinking those weren't my words.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:23 pmWorfeus, I called you a "genius" for stating such an obvious non sequitur. Everyone but you knew before today that the Red Cross is not part of the federal government. ROFL
Duchamp, you didn't post a link.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:26 pmOh sure wwallace thats what you meant.
Keep backpeddling loser, but everyone knew what you meant when you said it.
You know how I know that stupid?
Because it's one of the most common mistakes made about the American Red Cross, given it's charter status.
You're lying, and you got caught again, punk.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:30 pmWorfeus is lying.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:31 pm#191
December 11th, 2005 at 7:33 pmMy apologies, the formatting button truncated the sentence structure and link... I should have done it by hand as I usually do. Try this link. Sorry for the undeserved sarcasm.
Oh, we've already been reduced to tears have we? Already to the "I know you are but what am I?" retort?
Wow, are the repugs this desperate that all they can send is you?
December 11th, 2005 at 7:34 pmThe paid propaganda pimps at MediaMatters are not credible about any subject, Duchamp.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:35 pmEverytime you get your butt whooped, you cry to mommy and then stick out your chubby lil repug lip and say "I know you are but what am I?".
Anyone doubting this , Go back and look at exchange between us in the Bush Delegation Stages “Walk Out†at Climate Talks Blog.
He gets caught in lies or inaccuracies, then denies he ever said it.
You're a tribute wwallace to all that is repugnican.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:36 pmReaders will note that Worfeus is incapable of offering anything more than a stream of hate-filled insults.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:38 pmComment by wwallace — December 11, 2005: "Liberal Librarian...did you support the invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11?"
Yep.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:40 pm#197
Come on Wally, you didn't even read the article. I'm curious as to where you found your quote... a web search brings up a bunch of partisan Right-wing attack sites.
As far as MediaMatters is concerned, they are a non-partisan media watch dog site. If they do make a mistake, they always post a correction. Can the same be said of Fox?
December 11th, 2005 at 7:42 pmReaders will note that wwallace has backpedaled and lied repeatedly in debates with WORFEUS.
Readers will note each time wwallace gets disproved on an argument, he denies making the very arguments he was clearly making, and calls WORFEUS a liar.
WORFEUS grow tired of low-brow republican lying scum like wwallace, so yes, WORFEUS has nothing but hate for wwallace left.
Sorry wwallace, I can respect someone that believes what they say, but you are just a liar, which is why you debate.
You know that if you are making things up, it's much easier to respond to challenges since you are not bound by such messy details like, the truth.
December 11th, 2005 at 7:46 pmThe paid propaganda pimps at MediaMatters are not credible about any subject, Duchamp.
Comment by wwallace
Jeebus! I had no idea the propaganda pimps at Faux News were all volunteers!
December 11th, 2005 at 9:21 pmWatch the congressional hearings on Katrina and the (non-existant) rebuilding of New Orleans. It's a real eye-opener...
C-Span
December 11th, 2005 at 9:46 pmReaders will note that wwallace is incapable of offering anything more than a stream of hate-filled insults.
Comment by Ryan Neat — December 11, 2005 @ 7:49 pm
wwallace = i-right-i = closet homosexual = pyschopathic lunatic
Comment by Ryan Neat — December 11, 2005 @ 7:53 pm
December 11th, 2005 at 9:51 pmBoy, you're really one to talk aren't you Ryan Neat. I've noticed your postings for quite some time now, and hate-filled insults seem to be what you're all about. Besides piecing together obscure facts into something that no longer resembles reality, and patting yourself on the back for being so much smarter than your opponents, You consistantly prove yourself to be nothing more than an angry, hateful little man behind a keyboard.
Liberal Librarian, since you supported the invasion of Afghanistan(#199), and you have also espoused the standard that if one supports a war, one should enlist to fight it ("But the fact that they’re posting here, and not fighting in a war they so strongly support, only shows what chickenhawks these guys are." - #74), did you enlist, or are you just a blatant hypocrite?
December 11th, 2005 at 9:55 pmM.Duchamp, "I’m curious as to where you found your quote…"
From the Red Cross Website. I linked to it. Twice.
And I did read the mediamatters article. It was as dishonest as their articles always tend to be.
December 11th, 2005 at 9:57 pm"As far as MediaMatters is concerned, they are a non-partisan media watch dog site. If they do make a mistake, they always post a correction."
ROFLMAO!!! They are blatantly, openly partisan. And they don't make mistakes, they lie very purposefully.
December 11th, 2005 at 9:59 pmYou consistantly prove yourself to be nothing more than an angry, hateful little man behind a keyboard.
Comment by Michael — December 11, 2005 @ 9:51 pm
You bet your ass, troll. And there are about 220 million of us angry men and women in this country right about now, and if you ain't one of us you must be dead, deaf, dumb and/or stupid, like all the fvcking trolls who chum here. A sad little ever-shrinking minority of fringed out, burned out sickos.
December 11th, 2005 at 10:15 pmHate? You just wait. You will see that anger and hate turn into positive change and action in about one year and then again in 2008 and 2010 and 2012... ad infinitum. Are you going to blow your brains out or just leave the country?
December 11th, 2005 at 10:18 pmThe inaction regarding New Orleans is because the obvious solution is horrendous, unpopular but necessary. To wit: Only portions of the city should be saved and made safer by strengthening levees, other parts, 9th Ward included, should be razed. FEMA should lease one of the remaining hotels, cycle in former residents of the most devastated areas, allowing each to visit former home sites, salvage whatever is salvageable then finalize disposition of their properties- with the US government retaining ownership. Disburse the estimated $26,000 to each former resident for relocation expenses, the clean up the ravaged areas and restore them to a wetland status. There is no way that a decent level of flood protection can ever be made for the city.
December 11th, 2005 at 10:22 pmJust so I can explain it more clearly to you, dirtbag. I'm no Christian. I don't do "hugs or therapy", turn the other cheek, or love my enemy. I hate my enemy and think that crushing their bones into dust is a "good thing". OBL is the enemy, but so is the GOP. The main difference being that the GOP is greater threat because they are an internal enemy and have already killed more innocent Americans than OBL has. I actually have more respect for OBL. He is much smarter and more effective with far less than the current clowns in office who are like the gang that couldn't shoot straight. I have no desire for bipartisanship with anyone in this regime. May all your bones be crushed into dust. Then we can do the same to OBL. You morons only play right into his hands and make him stronger. Death to you all. Is that anger and hatred? I'm sure there is some there. It's also just realpolitik and pragmatism. You suck, therefore you must not remain in the cultural and political gene pool. You must go extinct like all failed species, theories, politics, cultures and ideas. It's political Darwinism and you committed political suicide.
December 11th, 2005 at 10:30 pmOf course President Bush and the Republicans want Katrina to become a distant memory. As long as it stays on the front burner, Americans might remember:
- how the Bush tax cuts led to the defunding of New Orleans' levee system
- how Michael Brown and FEMA helped Bush carry Florida in 2004
- how the White House is using the Katrina recovery package to implement conservative policies in the Gulf States already rejected by Americans nationwide
December 11th, 2005 at 10:33 pmRe KillCon, comment #213 - "I actually have more respect for OBL."
That all we really need to know about him, isn't it? No decent human being would ever say anything like that.
December 11th, 2005 at 10:39 pmComplete BS -- "how the Bush tax cuts led to the defunding of New Orleans’ levee system"
December 11th, 2005 at 10:40 pm#209
Look a little closer at MediaMatters mission statement and you'll see that their goal is to correct conservative misinformation. Conservative is not a synonym for Republican any more than Progressive is a synonym Democrat. If that were the case, how would you explain the Log Cabin Republicans?
Speaking of misinformation, I find it hard to believe that you read that article. Would you care to provide a brief summary?
December 11th, 2005 at 10:41 pmPolitical effects of Hurricane Katrina
Federal wetlands policy
There has been criticism of the federal policy, since 2003, of again turning wetlands over to developers.
Louisiana has a long history, under both parties, of approving private developments in wetlands with consequent destruction of wetlands across coastal Louisiana.[7] "Wetlands create friction and reduce high winds when hurricanes hit. They also absorb hurricane storm surges. Scientists estimate that every 2.7 miles of wetlands absorbs one foot of storm surge."[8]
The Bush Administration, contrary to campaign promises and a wetland protection policy maintained since 1990, ended federal wetlands protection.[9] The administration disregarded Wetlands at Risk and announced that everyone loved their policy.
Although the storm surge which struck the New Orleans levees crossed the open waters of Lake Ponchartrain, that is not the case in surrounding parishes, where the destruction would have been reduced by maintenance of the ban on wetland development. [10]
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Political effects of population displacement
In the days following the evacuation of New Orleans, Reuters reported that "[i]nterviews with refugees in Houston, which is expecting many thousands of evacuees to remain, suggest that thousands of blacks who lost everything and had no insurance will end up living in Texas or other U.S. states,"[11] and Forbes Magazine notes that "those left homeless will take part in the biggest internal migration of people since the days of the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression."[12]
This and other reports ([13][14]) suggest that the hurricane will have demographic consequences, particularly in and around Louisiana. Prior to the hurricane, Louisiana was one of a handful of states projected by the U.S. Census department to become a majority-minority state within the next two decades. Because a majority of displaced Louisiana residents are black, this occurrence will likely be delayed in Louisiana, accelerated in nearby Florida and Georgia, and increased in Texas, which itself became a majority-minority state in mid-2005.
It has been noted that the displacement of a significant portion of black people from Louisiana is likely to shift the politics of that state in a more conservative direction. [15] Louisiana may also lose a vote in the Electoral College following the 2010 U.S. Census. The bulk of the evacuees have been taken to Texas, where they are unlikely to significantly impact the solidly conservative politics of that very populous state, [16], although they may affect local elections in some cities.[17]
That's why things are the way they are. But Katrina didn't happen in a vaccuum. If the pugs think they are going to hold onto power or make net gains due to their "incompetent mishandling" or intentional and calculated mishandling of the disaster, they are, as usual, deluding themselves.
December 11th, 2005 at 10:45 pmwawa walla.
He knows BS when he says it.
December 11th, 2005 at 10:46 pm#209 p.s.
Wally: "They are blatantly, openly partisan. And they don’t make mistakes, they lie very purposefully."
Care to cite some examples of these lies? If it's so blatant, then it should be easy for you to do this.
December 11th, 2005 at 10:47 pm#209
Look a little closer at MediaMatters mission statement and you’ll see that their goal is to correct conservative misinformation. Conservative is not a synonym for Republican any more than Progressive is a synonym Democrat. If that were the case, how would you explain the Log Cabin Republicans?
M. Duchamp
He knows that M. Duchamp. He doesn't even believe the crap he spews. His job is to lie, obfuscate and spread confusion and disinformation to achieve purely political goals that benefit the few at the expense of the many. These are all "Leninist" strategies and practices and tactics the right wing extremists have employed since the days of fighting communism in the post WWII era. Fight fire with fire? Just piss on him and you will get steam. Even the Russians figured it out after about 70 years. It has little effect on Americans anymore. You are aware that most neo-cons were left-wing radicals in the 60's.
December 11th, 2005 at 10:53 pm#3 Wallace - the "tinfoil left sure loves their conspiracy theories"?
I guess the right does not embrace conspiracy theories then huh? Michelle Malkin believes Japanese and Arab Americans are in cahoots to destroy America. She and every other right-wing nutjob believes there is a war on Christmas funded by secularists with a "secret plan, a very secret plan" to remove Christianity in order to morally run amok. They believe the left is "aiding" terrorists.
The bible thumping racist right sure loves their conspiracy theories as well. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
December 11th, 2005 at 10:53 pmTo correct the first comment: New Orleans may be blue, but Louisiana is red. 57% Bush vs. 42% Kerry in 2004.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:00 pmKillCon,
220 million? Yeah right! You guys are a growing minority. Positive change? Ha! I suppose you thought things were great under Clinton too. I can't wait to hear what the lame excuses will be in '08 when the Democrats lose again. I'm sure that will be Bush's fault too. As for the rest of your psychotic rant, I find it not even worth dealing with. However, I am pleased to know that they let inmates in the psycho ward have internet access--there's no way you would be allowed in public.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:06 pmMatt O., "Michelle Malkin believes Japanese and Arab Americans are in cahoots to destroy America."
That's just plain nuts. You made it up.
The efforts of the left to attack Chritianity in America are not at all secret, they're right out in the open.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:08 pmDuchamp, The mediamatters "mission statment" is as fraudulent as the rest of their content.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:09 pmTo correct the first comment: New Orleans may be blue, but Louisiana is red. 57% Bush vs. 42% Kerry in 2004.
Comment by Little Fat Man with the Notepad in His Hand — December 11, 2005 @ 11:00 pm
Perhaps, but why is the Gov. a Democrat. CA is blue but has frequently had Republican governors. Dumb ass crackers are everywhere and they are too damn stupid to know that the city slickers have put the fox in charge of the hen house. Iraq war is gonna kill them all. Fox hunt gonna ferret out all the chickenhawks in 2006 and 2008 and there ain't a damn thing they can do about it. By then, when the Katrina diaspora kicks in in 2010, it'll be too late.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:10 pm#226
December 11th, 2005 at 11:12 pm... then it should be easy for you to provide some concrete examples of their "frauds".
wawa walla,
Are you gonna move or swallow a gun? Those are your choices according to the IRrItant debutante. I actually think you nutbars will try to blow up another federal building. Than we can fry you.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:12 pmPick an article on their site, any of them. It's all dishonest propaganda.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:19 pmPick an article on their site, any of them. It’s all dishonest propaganda.
Comment by wwallace
Is there honest propaganda?
December 11th, 2005 at 11:21 pm#230
December 11th, 2005 at 11:26 pmNot even one example, huh?
When wawa-walla dies, (soon, we hope), his obit in the paper based on the facts, (that he died from a cheeto overdose in front of his computer in mommy's basement) will be "dishonest propaganda". The glowing eulogy full of delusional nonsense making him a "martyr" in his jihad against the "evil forces of the secular left" (that he has written for himself and continually updates and revises) will be "honest propaganda".
December 11th, 2005 at 11:26 pmKillCon,
220 million? Yeah right! You guys are a growing minority. Positive change? Ha! I suppose you thought things were great under Clinton too. I can’t wait to hear what the lame excuses will be in ‘08 when the Democrats lose again. I’m sure that will be Bush’s fault too. As for the rest of your psychotic rant, I find it not even worth dealing with. However, I am pleased to know that they let inmates in the psycho ward have internet access–there’s no way you would be allowed in public.
Comment by Michael
Michael whistles a "happy tune" past his own graveyard.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:29 pmYeah right! You guys are a growing minority.
A growing minority? Are these people stupid or what? Do things grow small without the crank you are smoking? Put that crank pipe down, redneck!
December 11th, 2005 at 11:31 pmWait a sec! I like his idea. They are growing the federal government smaller! The economy is growing... smaller! The GNP is growing.... smaller! No wonder they don't even make sense to themselves!
December 11th, 2005 at 11:33 pmPeople just ignore and do not answer or comment for wwallace or IRI. They do not present facts most of the time, say 95%, and they only try to create contraversy. Just let em go.
They are only here because they are so far out there that even the Republicans don't want them on their sites. Be kind, but ingore them. Just comment from the people who actually have a clue to reality.
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December 11th, 2005 at 11:38 pmMikey was half right. We are growing. Technically we were a minority, if you can consider 49% to 51% a minority. I call it a draw. In any case, yeah, growing, unlike the economy. Yeah, growing, like the number of troops dying for a lie. Yeah, growing as opposed to shrinking, which is what your side is doing, like your pecker, when a beautiful woman, or even your wife, walks into the room.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:38 pmRemoveBush doesn't ever post facts.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:39 pmKillCon,
December 11th, 2005 at 11:53 pmAt least I have wife. I can't imagine any woman who would want to be near an abusive psycho like you. Go back to crushing your bone into dust and leave the discussions to decent people.
Mikey's just pissed because I had him pegged as an ignorant, partisan troll from the get-go even tho he tried to make his "comment" come of as an unbiased non-partisan critique of Ryan. The knee jerk reflex Clinton bashing in his later comment illustrates that, and yes, Mikey. My only complaint with Clinton, aside from his being the best Republican preznit we've had since Eisenhower was that there was one less zaftig Jewish girl popping Cohibas out of her cooz and giving me head. All things being equal, and in hindsight, this didn't have such a negative impact on my life. I'm sure it really pissed you off, since you have to pay for it anyway.
Wawa-walla,
you are the complete idiot because you have no idea how many seats are in play in either the Senate or the House. If you did, you wouldn't be here making a complete fool of yourself. You'd be packing, or practicing hitting your ass with a handgun and the aid of a mirror because that's where your brains are, if you in fact have any. It's not going to be pretty. I'd give you a link, but you'd only slap it between your legs and call it a hot link sandwich.
December 11th, 2005 at 11:59 pmKillCon,
At least I have wife. I can’t imagine any woman who would want to be near an abusive psycho like you. Go back to crushing your bone into dust and leave the discussions to decent people.
Comment by Michael
I know you have a wife, mikey. She's one of the reason that the shortage of zaftig Jewish girls under Clinton didn't have a negative impact on the rest of us.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:01 am2006 Senate: Advantage Democrats
In the Senate, though, Democrats need a net gain of six seats to win the majority, so logically they need to put six GOP seats in play.
They have accomplished that; in fact, seven Republican-held seats are now in play. They are the seats held by Republican Sens. Jon Kyl of Arizona, Jim Talent of Missouri, Conrad Burns of Montana, Mike DeWine of Ohio, Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee.
Democrats have credible candidates in all but one of those states, Ohio.
It appears likely that their nominee will be Paul Hackett, the lawyer and Iraq War veteran who came close to picking off a special election in Ohio's 2nd congressional district against now-Rep. Jean Schmidt.
If GOP Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi retires, as many expect he will, that would set up yet another competitive Republican-held Senate seat, bringing the total to eight.
30 seats in play in the house, girls. I have a better site that tracks all this, but you ain't gonna get it from me. Do your own leg work, gimps. Lame ducks. LMAO!
December 12th, 2005 at 12:04 amKillcon,
December 12th, 2005 at 12:12 amI'm not pissed, and I never claimed to be non partisan. I actually respect opposing viewpoints. What I don't respect is the way you and Ryan, and others like you belittle and attack people. By the way...you are an absolutely foul person--I feel as though I need to wash my hands after addressing you.
I'm out of here!
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December 12th, 2005 at 12:35 amcomment deleted by admin.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:39 amI'm sure all of you know the Patriot Act is watching you.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:53 amI’m sure all of you know the Patriot Act is watching you.
Comment by Hell's Bells — December 12, 2005 @ 12:53 am
That's nothing new. Screw them.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:56 amKillcon- you are still a bad little boy with a bully playground mentality. Shameful mouth....terms of agreement say "NO"....
December 12th, 2005 at 12:59 amThe only reasons that the repugs have a majority in the House is because Tom Delay engineered his jerrymander of Texas Congressional Districts. This redistricting was the first in the history of Texas that did not take place as a result of the decennial census. A pure political power play by Delay that disenfranchised half the minority voters in the state.
December 12th, 2005 at 1:02 amAs for the repug agenda for New Orleans, I think this quote sums up the Repug attitude: "We finally cleaned up public housing in New Orleans. We couldn't do it, but God did."
Rep. Richard Baker, (R) U.S. Congressman from Baton Rouge
I live in New Orleans. I've been back since the beginning of Oct. The day bush spoke from Jackson Square - looking for another "bullhorn" moment, bullshit, is what it turned out to be. Everyday I see the lives that were torn apart by this disaster. Everyday I see what broken promises do. Everyday I do what I can and it breaks my heart that this sociopath liar is simply letting on of the most unique places in the world to simply die.
This world will be a better place once bush and people of his ilk are held accountable their callous disregard for anyone but themselves. Not only has bush not come through with the promised pledges, last week he completely eliminated funding to rebuild the coastline. Rather than helping us, bush has giving the City of New Orleans the "kiss of death".
I only hope I live long enough to see this pathetic, little, rat-bastard pay for all the damage he's caused.
December 12th, 2005 at 1:03 amhttp://www.alternet.org/katrina/29274
New Orleans isn't the only area that needs help. Just how much CAN the federal government do and how quickly. This is a big country....
December 12th, 2005 at 1:31 amPost number 253.
If the jobs too big for you guys, I suggest you step aside and let someone more capable and qualified take over.
December 12th, 2005 at 1:45 amBush: a serial liar and serial killer.
The mind boggles - how this horror show, this pod creature could have been presented with the power of life and death.
And to think that - after all the carnage, the incompetence, and still more carnage - the piece of garbage named George W. Bush still has apologists! (discounting the sell-mother-for-pay shill contingent).
December 12th, 2005 at 2:32 amI am a native Louisianian as well, and New Orleans is a true gem; one of the few places not over-taken by the strip-mall, homogenized surburban bullshit that plagues most of the US. In other words it has what many conservatives despise: diversity, culture and individuality. It's a blue oasis in a mostly red area of the country, so no wonder the neocons aren't stepping up to the plate. This shows how phony their patriotism really is: they would rather build schools and hospitals in Iraq rather than restore ones in New Orleans.
December 12th, 2005 at 2:38 amIt isn't that the current gov. isn't interested in rebuilding NOLA it's just that they don't no how. These people (for lack of a better descriptor) don't know how to rebuild anything. This is a proven fact that can longer be ignored, justified nor tolerated. When will we the people realize that it isn't GWB's, the republicans, the democrats, religious rights, far left's or any groups country, it is our country. We the people in order to form a more perfect union...Our country the government works for us unless we allow them not to. If this was a store and the manager was as inept as the current administration they would be fired. Yes it is that easy to understand it's not some bit of magic it is just wrapped up in words that the layman can't fully understand. Our country.
December 12th, 2005 at 2:56 amKillcon- you are still a bad little boy with a bully playground mentality. Shameful mouth….terms of agreement say “NOâ€â€¦.
Comment by Ilean — December 12, 2005 @ 12:59 am
Yeah, and those tags on the matresses say: Do Not Remove under penalty of law.
I tear them right off like I tear you a new one, "Ilean to far to the right". The rightwing: whiners and complainers. I can't wait for the next 5 elections to bury you assholes once and for all.
December 12th, 2005 at 3:07 amI only hope I live long enough to see this pathetic, little, rat-bastard pay for all the damage he’s caused.
http://www.alternet.org/katrina/29274
Comment by gonnut
He is likely to get away with it, but the rest of them, and the little pukes who still blindly support him... we can make sure they pay for it till the day they die.
December 12th, 2005 at 3:22 amNew Orleans isn’t the only area that needs help. Just how much CAN the federal government do and how quickly. This is a big country….
Comment by Ilean — December 12, 2005 @ 1:31 am
This is a weak excuse. They had ample time to prepare for a worst-case in New Orleans, as a hurricane doesn't appear out of nowhere. They knew for days how strong it was and which way it was heading, which is the reason why the city was evacuated.
I agree New Orleans is not the only place that needs help. But if you cannot see why the help to New Orleans should be made a priority above many of those other places (maybe with the exception of the other areas in the Gulf also affected by Katrina), then you clearly haven't been following the news.
December 12th, 2005 at 3:25 amCubans are far better educated and literate than your average American. Damn commies...
December 12th, 2005 at 4:00 am
There is no excuse for the promises that Bush made to be ignored. He promised the people of NOLA it would be rebuilt. He is far more concerned about setting up the middle east so he and his family can live high off the hog for the rest of their lives. He can sit in the white house dining on steak while people in NOLA live in filth and rot, trying to hold on to what their HOMES. I don't give a damn who's left, right, or green. This city is going to shit and no one is doing a damn thing about it. It's disgusting. This is on OUR soil. These are OUR people.
LET KATRINA BE A LESSON TO YOU:
December 12th, 2005 at 4:13 amIf something happens where your city is nearly obliterated, don't expect anyone to come and help you. You're on your own.
LET KATRINA BE A LESSON TO YOU:
If something happens where your city is nearly obliterated, don’t expect anyone to come and help you. You’re on your own.
Comment by BushSucks
If it's a solidly red city you can be sure they would save it. They have been making war on us for years. They would like to kill us, at least the ones who don't fall for the bullshit. If they could get away with it, they would. I am going to take a few with me if they try it. buy guns and learn how to shoot. And by rope futures. We will get to lynch IRI yet.
December 12th, 2005 at 4:18 amI saw a story on NBC news about an 82 year old woman in NOLA living in her car since Katrina. I hope people don't forget about this in '06 and '08. Three months is more than enough time to get some serious effort going in New Orleans. I guess this is compasionate conservatism at work.
December 12th, 2005 at 4:35 amBush makes Castro look good. He was a real war el presidente. Republicans screwed that one up, too. It was Nixon. Incompetent idiots to a man.
On January 1, 1959, Castro's forces entered Havana and on January 5 the liberal law professor José Miró Cardona created a new government with himself as prime minister and Manuel Urrutia Lleó as president.
December 12th, 2005 at 4:56 amSome asshole screwed with that wiki entry. These people are like roaches. They will go anyplace and spread lies. What it should have said was:
"Following the meeting, Nixon remarked that Castro was "naïve" but not necessarily a communist."
December 12th, 2005 at 5:00 amKillCon 2006,
Thanks for your informative posts. It's truly amazing how many there are out there of the Neocon Death Cult Zombie Brigade. Adolf Hitler would be proud of his prodigy, if he could see them today.
I pray for the day when the American people take back this country from the neocons and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
December 12th, 2005 at 5:42 am[...] Guess what? The government’s response to hurricane Katrina is still abysmal. The Guardian talks about it Sitting in the back of the pick-up truck of union activist Jim Prickett, Aaron is on fire with anger. A young black man in his twenties in dreadlocks and a Veterans for Peace T-shirt, he flares out at all around him. ‘My grandpa died at the airport [during the evacuation]. Now me and my mama can’t get into our home. There is a notice on the door. If we try, we are looting. Do you understand how that must feel?’ he shouts. ‘Do you understand? I live how I can. It has jumbled me up here,’ he points to his head. ‘It is genocide and ethnic cleansing. It’s the return of Jim Crow.’ - full article is here. It’s all very creepy and very sad. At least people are still talking about it. Meanwhile, some rather harsh, and probably much deserved, words are being spoken by survivors testifying before congress. [...]
December 12th, 2005 at 6:34 amThis comes as no great surprise. The only inerest this sorry excuse for a human being has for anything is his photo-ops. Once they are over and he has had a chance to strut and disrupt any help being given he is off to tell more lies and strut some more.
December 12th, 2005 at 7:31 amThe only constructive thing Bush has done since he has been in office is to really bring out the garbage we have there, elected and un-elected, republican and democrat. The real dangers to our once great nation.
This person, I cannot bring myself to call him a man and his cartel of corruption is not only an embarassment but a danger to our country as well as the world.
If there were any true justice they would be stripped of everything they own or would ever own including their citizenships and shipped off to some nice place such as Gitmo for the duration.
Nuff said...for now
Yet again, instead of people coming together to discuss ideas for the future of a U.S. city it comes down to a childish debate about our rediculous 'leader'. Thanks guys, this is going to really help N.O. get on it's feet.
To the only arguement about N.O. posted. The reason to rebuild N.O. is the same reason most humans do anything, money. Rebuild N.O. and this country and this region will supply the country with oil and natural gas, as well as being a vital port to this country.
December 12th, 2005 at 7:56 amKillCon2006, wwallace, I-RIGHT-I:
Folks, y'all what's wrong with my country. Please find another, pronto.
December 12th, 2005 at 8:06 amWhat bush care about rebuilding??? If he's bombing the hell out of Iraq,how does anyone think he cares about New Orleans?
He is "ethnic cleansing" both Iraq and New Orleans. This man is a disgrace to America and Americans.
December 12th, 2005 at 8:12 amThis should surprised no one. Bush and most Republicans have made the point to reduce government. This means that government will reduce or eliminate services to be replaced, when considered, by private services paid for by tax money. Most of the wars are done with private contractors and companies and most of the work on reparing damages from disasters will be handled the same way. Republicans win campaigns on reducing taxes and reducing government so no one should be surprised when they do exactly what they promise. I don't believe that most people have, until recently, understood what this means for their lives. Katrina and the new Medicare drug program run by private companies are beginning to make the consequences of their policies clearer to everyone.
December 12th, 2005 at 8:36 amGeorge Bush talks about building Iraq, and he talks about building New Orleans. How much actual building is being accomplished? Most of the money in both cases are being spent on padded contracts to big corporations.
December 12th, 2005 at 9:27 amKatrina has fallen off think progress' radar also there have been few articles about New Orleans, Katrina and Fema recently.
As a resident of New Orleans, I can attest to the fact that very little is being done to rebuild New Orleans. FEMA is a joke, flood policies are not paying claims, and if you don't know, flood coverage is 100% reinsured by the federal gov't. The feds have no money left after Iraq and the tax cuts.
America is now a third world nation with nuclear weapons. Expect more of this country to deteriorate.
December 12th, 2005 at 9:40 am[...] I’m going to tell you something to amaze you; it amazed me yesterday. The last time the president was in the hurricane region was October 11, two months ago. The president stood in New Orleans and said it was going to be one of the largest reconstruction efforts in the history of the world. You go to the White house home page, there’s Barney camp, there’s Social Security, there’s Renewing Iraq. Where’s renewing New Orleans? A presidential advisor told me that issue has fallen so far off the radar screen, you can’t find it. [...]
December 12th, 2005 at 9:58 amI rarely agree with Bushco on anything but maybe the White House is doing the right thing on N.O. N.O. is sinking, it always has been. That is why they need the 30 foot levees. Scientists predict that in 60 to 80 years N.O. will be surrounded by water and need 100 foot levees to keep the Gulf of Mexico from drowning the city. Flooding is expected to be a recurring theme for south Louisiana in the future. Should we spend billions to rebuild a city that is destined to be under water?
December 12th, 2005 at 10:09 amYou have to hand it to political operatives who can turn the Christmas celebration of Jesus’s birth into a nasty wedge issue, transforming a traditional message of love, peace and tolerance into one of anger, conflict and resentment.
The success of the American Right in extracting a “war on Christmas†out of a few well-meaning gestures to non-Christians, such as using the greeting “Happy Holidays,†is a testament to the investment conservatives have made in media over three decades.
With their vertically integrated media apparatus – from newspapers and magazines, to TV and radio, to books and the Internet – the Right now can take a few scattered anecdotes on almost any topic and heat them up into a hot-button issue.
This “perception management†capability is now so powerful that even the most absurd notions can be made convincing to millions of Americans, such as the idea that despite the ubiquitous Christmas displays throughout the United States – from before Thanksgiving to after Dec. 25 – Christmas is under assault.
While an outsider arriving in the United States might see a nation celebrating Christmas with an unrivaled intensity and extravagance, the Right’s media has created another world for its followers – where Christians are persecuted for celebrating their faith, where they are repressed by cruel non-Christians and evil secularists.
This perceived persecution exists even as America’s downtowns and shopping malls are bedecked with the red-and-green Christmas colors and Christmas symbols are everywhere, even in cities like New York with large populations of Jews and Muslims.
Christmas Carols
Somehow, listeners to Fox News and right-wing talk radio are convinced that Christmas is threatened despite the fact that Christmas carols are pumped into nearly all public places, including elevators and grocery stores where both Christians and non-Christians must go. Some radio stations, like the one played in the Arlington, Virginia, coffee shop where I often go to write, have been playing Christmas carols since before Thanksgiving.
When I bought stamps the other day from a U.S. Postal Service vending machine, I had expected to get the usual “American flag†stamps, but instead ended up with “Santa Claus†stamps. The USPS Web site also sells a “Dear Santa†CD, which includes Nat King Cole’s “The Christmas Song†and Vonzell Solomon’s “O Come All Ye Faithful,†with a cross-marketing deal for a Fox “Dear Santa†special.
Still, one of the complaints heard from conservative Christians is that the post office didn’t offer a new “Madonna and Child†stamp this season (though you can still get the version produced last year).
Another major beef from conservative Christians is that the federal courts have restricted displays of the baby Jesus in the manger on government property and that public schools have replaced “Christmas concerts†with “winter concerts†and the “Christmas vacation†with a “winter vacation.â€
Nevertheless, schools are closed for about two weeks to accommodate Americans wishing to celebrate Christmas. Despite the U.S. principle of separation of church and state, Christmas remains an official federal holiday, an exception to the rule that is afforded no other religious observance.
Jews, for instance, don’t expect Christians to honor Yom Kippur by taking the day off, nor do Muslims expect the government to show undue deference to Ramadan.
‘Liberal Plot’
Our hypothetical outsider might see the American reality as one in which all citizens, regardless of their religious beliefs, are expected to join in the celebration of Christmas. But that is not the impression one would get from watching Fox News, reading conservative blogs or listening to right-wing talk radio.
Within the Right’s media world, conservative Americans learn how the “liberals†and the American Civil Liberties Union are “anti-Christian†and out to deny American Christians their right to observe Christmas as they see fit.
Fox News anchor John Gibson has made this case in his hot-selling book, The War on Christmas: How the Liberal Plot to Ban the Sacred Christian Holiday Is Worse Than You Thought. The “war on Christmas†theme has become a centerpiece of Bill O’Reilly’s rants on Fox, a message that has resonated throughout the Right’s echo chamber.
Led by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, some conservative Christians are boycotting stores that offer their customers the non-sectarian greeting of “Happy Holidays†instead of “Merry Christmas.†In some cases, “Merry Christmas†is now spit out as fighting words, much as conservatives emphasize the words “under God†during the Pledge of Allegiance.
Falwell has vowed to sue “everybody who tries to inhibit the liberties of our children and our families from worshipping and honoring the Lord, as we in America are constitutionally allowed to do.â€
But there is a larger message in this war on the “war on Christmas.†It is how the Right’s powerful news media can shape American perceptions to such a degree that a dominant group like American Christians can be made to see themselves as powerless victims, even over trivial grievances like saying “Happy Holidays.†[For details on the Right’s media power, see Robert Parry’s Secrecy & Privilege or Lost History, great “holiday gifts.â€]
‘Victims’
While conservative commentators often accuse African-Americans and other minorities of wallowing in their “victimhood,†the Right’s media has learned the political power that comes from letting white men, for instance, take on the mantle of “victim.â€
In the 1990s, a powerful conservative theme was the complaint against “political correctness,†which often came down to universities and other institutions applying clumsy restrictions against young white men shouting the n-word at African-Americans or using other offensive language.
Though American white men are arguably the most privileged group on earth, the “political correctness†theme allowed them to bathe in the self-pity of their “victimhood.†It allowed them to get righteous and angry against their supposed persecutors.
There is, of course, a danger whenever a powerful group begins to view itself as the victim, because their real power allows these ersatz oppressed to inflict far greater harm on their enemies than could a group without power.
Historically, the world has seen this phenomenon many times, for instance, when Christians in Europe convinced themselves that they were at the mercy of cunning Jews. Many of the continent’s anti-Jewish pogroms were conducted by Christians convinced that they were simply defending their way of life, that they were the real victims.
Now, the United States is witnessing a similar exploitation of Christian fears and the fanning of Christian anger. The “war on Christmas†theme is one manifestation of this growing chip on the shoulder.
The Right has learned well how it can deploy its powerful media to make even the most ludicrous notion seem real – both frightening and infuriating – to millions of Americans.
December 12th, 2005 at 10:16 am[...] Look, I’m not going to pick on anyone about this. I have a horrible attention span. I’m given to listening to Meet the Press while playing games at Pogo, and during the commercials I listen to podcasts. And it was just such a day when Meet the Press brought up the current status of Katrina victims. Think Progress has a few quotes that may interest you. [...]
December 12th, 2005 at 10:50 amThe administration wants New Orleans to fail as it is right now so that wealthy Republicans can resurrect New Orleans in the way that "wealthy" Republicans envision it. Get rid of the poor (eyesore)... revitalize it with a dominant rich Republican breath of fresh. The levees were like a quasi-bulldozer. Wealthy entreprenuers and land builders will build it back up.
December 12th, 2005 at 11:05 amIf only there was a nice big pocket of OIL under New Orleans, then Haliburton would be rebuilding it as fast as possible.
December 12th, 2005 at 11:17 amWhen the hurricane hit, where was Bush?
Where he was right before 911, on vacation.
It has been said that Abraham Lincoln worked 16 hours a day during the Civil War.
Clinton, worked days on end without sleep during crisis and his war in Bosnia (he won his war).
What does Dubya do while Americans are dying?
He vacations in on his ranch in Crawdad. :|
December 12th, 2005 at 11:29 amI don't recall SLOTH as being an desirable trait for a President.
December 12th, 2005 at 11:32 amWhen I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, the world was different.
My first job was at a moving and storage company. We worked 14 hour days, ran back and forth all day long carrying heavy loads, and got paid $3.75 per hour for our trouble, with no overtime.
One day a cocky 17 year old, me, went up to the foreman, and asked him why we had to "run" up and down the ramps carrying boxes.
He looked at me and said, "if you can't handle the work, we can always find someone else".
See the answer repubs are always giving when complaints on Katrina is, "what did you want him to do? He made some calls. It's a big Country, he has other matters to deal with....it's not his fault"
To which I say, "Mr. President, if you can't handle the work, we can always find someone else"
December 12th, 2005 at 11:40 amKillCon2006, wwallace, I-RIGHT-I:
Folks, y’all what’s wrong with my country. Please find another, pronto.
Comment by bob the nihilist — December 12, 2005
Yes, let's all get together and hug one another.
Can't we all just get along?
Thanks for your input, Rodney King. Now blow me.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:05 pmYou wrote:
What rebuilding in Iraq? He isn't interested in rebuilding Iraq, he's only interested in destroying it.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:28 pmFter reading the posts on this thread, I am more than ever convinced that the neocons are indeed winning the war for America.
I claim neither political party but rather the title American. Clinton and his policies made him the best Republican president we ever had, and bush is a very scary character.
These people seek to get us doing across America just what I am seeing here, to get us fighting aamongst ourselves instead of fixing what is wrong.
With the passage of the Patriot Act the Constitution has been nullified, our freedoms usurped by thosse we entrusted with defending it. Still we fight over political ideologies.
In violation of the Posse Comataus act (which forbids the use of American military in domestic police duties) we see cities accross the nation where military are training and working in policing activities. Study your history please.... It was by this same type of maneuver that Adolf Hitler took over Germany and created his police state.
Does it make sense that in 2004 there were 66,000 military and police patrolling New York City during the Republican National Convention? That 2000 citizens who were peacefully protesting were arrested and locked in an abandoned bus garage at peir 57 for three days, without benefit of charges, lawyers or other Constitutional protections.
We need to stop looking at things from the left/right perspective and begin looking at things from the perspective of Americans who enjoy the greatest nation on earth and to work to keep it such.
December 12th, 2005 at 12:30 pmDoes it make sense that in 2004 there were 66,000 military and police patrolling New York City during the Republican National Convention? That 2000 citizens who were peacefully protesting were arrested and locked in an abandoned bus garage at peir 57 for three days, without benefit of charges, lawyers or other Constitutional protections.
We need to stop looking at things from the left/right perspective and begin looking at things from the perspective of Americans who enjoy the greatest nation on earth and to work to keep it such.
Comment by Tom Pennock
NYCity has a police force larger than the standing armies of most of the countries in the world. As far as holding hands with the enemy, the fascists in this country, giving him hugs and therapy, you are dreaming. You can never appease fascism, here or anywhere else.
December 12th, 2005 at 1:35 pmInre to comment 287; Yes indeed, "United we stand, divided we fall," is valid now, more than ever. We are a divided people for sure, and this is the way the powerful people of this great country want it, and even orchestrate it to be.
December 12th, 2005 at 1:47 pmThey are united, in what they want and believe in you see, whether they are Democrat or Republican. This is what scared the powers that be so bad back in 1992. Perot wanted to get back to real gov't, by, for, and of the people. Both the Democratic and Republican party wanted no part of this, and they ultimately got their way. We as a people need to open our eyes, get out from in front of our hi-def TVs and into the streets and meeting halls to bring about change. As long as we all have our CD, DVD,and MP3 players and our HI-Def TVs, PCs, etc, and can hunker down in our cozy little homes and be left alone, we are content with the status quo, and this is just the way those in power like it. I believe it will take some huge disaster to wake the people of this country up, but by then it may well be too late...
Perot wanted to get back to real gov’t, by, for, and of the people.
You are a boob and a moron if you think that. Perot was psychopathic idiot. It's people like you and the other guy whining about the fact that we have a small minority of wingnuts running things in this country and you don't have the balls to kick them where their balls would be if they had any.
December 12th, 2005 at 2:48 pmPerot: "Keep in mind our Constitution predates the industrial revolution. Our founders did not know about electricity, the train, telephones, radio, television, automobiles, airplanes, rockets, nuclear weapons, satellites, or space exploration. There’s a lot they didn’t know about. It would be interesting to see what kind of document they’d draft today. Just keeping it frozen in time won’t hack it."
Franklin (not a founder of the country apparently) and electricity: In June, 1752, Benjamin Franklin promoted his investigations of electricity and theories through the famous, though extremely dangerous, experiment of flying a kite during a thunderstorm. Following these experiments he invented a lightning rod and established the link between lightning and electricity. If Franklin did fly a kite in a storm, he did not do it the way it is often described (as it would have been dramatic but fatal). It was either Franklin (more frequently) or Ebenezer Kinnersley of Philadelphia (less frequently) who created the convention of positive and negative electricity.
Franklin's observations aided later scientists such as Michael Faraday, Luigi Galvani, Alessandro Volta, André-Marie Ampère, and Georg Simon Ohm whose work provided the basis for modern electrical technology. The work of Faraday, Volta, Ampere, and Ohm is honored by society, in that fundamental units of electrical measurement are named after them.
What is wrong with you people? Clinton wasn't perfect but he was the best damn Republican president we have had since Eisenhower. Perot?
America is lost if people like you two don't wake the fvck up fast! The Democratic party will be what you make it. The Republican party is what the radicals have made it. A mess.
You better deal with it until a viable third party emerges, very unlikely, or a viable third party or independent candidate emerges, even more unlikely.
December 12th, 2005 at 3:01 pmThis is interesting...how many of you people lived in New Orleans when Katrina hit? I did. How many people do you know that are not receiving assistance for being uprooted? The answer is none- you don't know anyone left hanging. You might know people who aren't helping themselves. I, like everyone I know, got another job. Moved on...we didn't sit back waiting for somone else. But I attribute the success of me and my peers to being republican.
December 12th, 2005 at 3:08 pmAnd where the hell did all my assistance come from? The hurricane fairy? Maybe the government?
New Orleans will be rebuilt, although watching the leadership of that city and state is a full time job, the morons...pretty soon we'll enjoy watching them pat themselves on the back for having the lowest crime rate in the nation. Some real leaders need to step up to the plate...it's a great opportunity to turn a crime-ridden disaster into a wonderful, international destination.
What dubya did to New Orleans is a sin.
I think his response, or lack thereof was twofold.
On the one hand, he is incompetent, and sat on vactation while the storm gathered strength.
On the other hand, I think there was a little purposeful incompetence as well. Kathline Blanco had criticized him before, openly criticizing the war effort, and his policies.
We all know how this President cannot deal with criticism.
So I think there was a little, "they're Dems, fu@@@#k em" attitude going on.
In fact, I bet it happens all the time.
December 12th, 2005 at 3:21 pmActually, Killcon, you stupid little jerk- Ilean is a name not a position...but that is all your weeny little mind is interested in. You are no Democrat, that's for sure.
I was hoping for intelligent exhange not crybabies and hatemongers.
December 12th, 2005 at 4:05 pmThanks SBR -#292- comments like yours are what I had hoped to find here. Comments by persons that are DOING something, that exhibit purpose and strength. There are many like you and because of that, not because of the do it for me crowd, the Gulf Coast will come back and heal. I volunteered, left my job and donated time to help.
December 12th, 2005 at 4:26 pmSBR2001 - BRAVO!! Spoken like a true conservative! With so many whiners here waiting on their fat a$$e$ for the government to do EVERYTHING for them - it is nice to hear from someone who was there.
But for the old and infirm - Shame on Mayor Nagin for letting buses just SIT in that lot. Have to hand it to that kid on TV who broke into the office holding the school bus keys. This young man picked up young and old and a full bus arrived in Houston!!
December 12th, 2005 at 8:23 pmI think that when it boils down to it, we don't have the money to rebuild New Orleans.
Not that I agree with it so don't throw things at me, but the administration looks at the oil flow of Iraq as a money producer...or, at least a means of keeping this nation from falling into a recession/depression because a gallon of gas is $4. the oil companies subtely reminded us around that time who needs servicing.
New Orleans, on the otherhand, has a much bigger problem:
the levees.
it's a catch-22. Nobody can go back in and start rebuilding anything until the problem with the levees is solved as they are barely patched and don't need much of a storm surge before they are breached again (it's not strictly a patch situation either as some of those levees were originally breached with a category 1 storm surge because they weren't rooted deeply enough into the ground to start with), but the millions of dollars needed to do that has gone somewhere else.
GW doesn't want to bring back the inheritence tax which could solve a lot of the money issues. he doesn't want to raise taxes in any form or fashion. he doesn't want to cut spending on his cronies and iraq. New Orleans had a bunch of poor people that were tossed into the wind. they aren't technically "suffering" as they are now living in hotels and FEMA housing or have simply found jobs elsewhere and have taken to living with relatives and friends, so it was easy to forget about massive reconstruction when you really didn't care about their lives and took the idea that a band-aid was just a good a solution to the problem as any.
December 12th, 2005 at 8:31 pm[...] [...]
December 12th, 2005 at 11:29 pmWell a dark future i see...
The Military will move out of town soon and so will the people living there at the present moment.
The city will rot and fall apart and thugs and criminals will take over the place to build some kind of "Sin City".
Eventually the current or any future President or Political system will build a great wall around it and even further into the future the town will be used as a giant Jail.
Sounds like too much Sci-Fi? Have i been watching too many Snake Plissken movies?
Take a look at the facts.
The Money spent so far for the leeves (as one correctly pointed out) is over 200Mio. But patching the Leeves needs at least another 100Mio.
But that is just patching and not rebuilding. Engineers have been estimating ten times the already spent amount of money would be needed to build the leeves like it was promised.
But there is another Problem.
IF the money keeps flowing the engineers estimate that the would be just about finished at around june fixing the leeves.
Start of the Hurricane season and like someone else noted the fixed leeves would not hold a cat1, maybe a cat2 storm so all of it is down the drain again (or the missisippi, or the lake...).
Wake up people!!!
You are being fed lies. Not only by the politicians but also by corporations.
The american dream, from the dishwasher to a millionair is no longer existing and maybe it never has.
If, then only on the back of someone else...
So wake up!!!
December 13th, 2005 at 7:07 amWe have to do something to change this society, this way of living and each and everyone of us has to do so.
Its not for you and its not for your children. It is for the future of this planet and the human race...
as we look at this world today we see that jesus has failed the first time.their are some out there that get it,there are some out there that say they do,there are some that just don't care.which one are you?i know which one i am.speaking with name calling and such violent thoughts is what is wrong with all of the world.people think war and violence work.they just get rid of one problem and make another.if you read history and the bible you will see this.i am not an expert but the bible has taught me one thing,jesus will not fail again.
December 13th, 2005 at 7:53 am[...] According to one of President Bush’s advisers, Katrina “has fallen so far off the radar screen, you can’t find it.†Meanwhile, Congress has not yet approved funding to repair New Orleans’s broken levee system. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) has threatened to keep the Senate in session through holiday recess unless funding is approved for flood protection, and she is backing a D.C. rally tomorrow that hopes to bring attention to the issue. [...]
December 13th, 2005 at 12:41 pmClassic wingnut-think(#37 & #38)
The conclusions to be drawn are that the odious and quite dense wwallace must like Fahrenheit 911 and must support Sen. Byrd. See, they use facts and opinions that describe them as insults directed at liberals. Makes no sense.
Example: a fascist compares a leftist film to a fascist film as a way of denigrating the former
December 13th, 2005 at 4:57 pmSuzanne,
Good points, but you're misusing the term Catch-22. The condition of the levees is an obstacle to be overcome. Rebuilding NO doesn't prevent anyone from repairing the levees. Shortage of money does of course, but it's not a Catch-22, it's a lack of will.
A Catch-22 would be if the city had to be rebuilt before the levees could be repaired, and the levees had to be repaired before the city could be rebuilt...... Not the case. Or is it?
December 13th, 2005 at 5:04 pmKillCon,
Thanks for providing a plausible explanation for the right wing "reasoning" that has me so perplexed. (#70) And the Hofstadter quote is very enlightening.
I am resolved never to respond to a troll again.
December 13th, 2005 at 5:32 pmyou need N.O. fixed up i agree, just go and discover an oil field there, and bush will be there in a flash. he'll fix everyone up for you straight away. :)
as for your "war on evil", just who's the evil ones, any war that is "good against evil" is simply how you look at it !!!
Mabey it should be a "one nations IDEA of Good, agaist someone elses IDEA of Good".
I suppose because i have not said anything good about america i will be labelled un-patriotic.
I dont have a problem with that, im Australian.. by far the greatest country on earth !!
****
Finally, you US people,
If we are NOT with you, we are NOT against you.
You president, did a great job of insulting THE WORLD, by saying, "if you are not with us, you are against us".
Question: why did your government NOT go after the Anthrax Terrorest with as much force as Alqada ??
January 3rd, 2006 at 11:36 pmA. The Anthrax came from America (government at that).
I don't think Bush has or will do anything he thinks he is so smart but he is really really stupid I hate him he started this stupid war.
January 5th, 2006 at 12:57 pm[...] For instance, here's Mike Allen of the Washington Post appearing on Meet the Press and intoning (nofollowpolicy): I'm going to tell you something to amaze you; it amazed me yesterday. The last time the president was in the hurricane region was October 11, two months ago. The president stood in New Orleans and said it was going to be one of the largest reconstruction efforts in the history of the world. You go to the White house home page, there's Barney camp, there's Social Security, there's Renewing Iraq. Where's renewing New Orleans? A presidential advisor told me that issue has fallen so far off the radar screen, you can't find it. [...]
January 18th, 2006 at 1:52 amKatrina Death Toll Inches to 1,420...
...conspiracy theories that would seem loopy were they not backed by solid evidence), we do not yet have the tiniest, flimsiest bit of evidence that the Bush Administration is hiding bodies or faking the death count or doing anything other than wishing...
February 26th, 2006 at 1:25 am[...] And tonight I also offer this pledge of the American people: Throughout the area hit by the hurricane, we will do what it takes, we will stay as long as it takes, to help citizens rebuild their communities and their lives. And all who question the future of the Crescent City need to know there is no way to imagine America without New Orleans, and this great city will rise again." read more [...]
May 27th, 2006 at 2:25 am