WashPost’s VanDeHei:
By on Dec 13th, 2005 at 9:02 am
WashPost’s VanDeHei:
Stephen Hadley told Karl Rove about Valerie Plame’s identity “as sort of just chatter inside the office, but [Rove] had learned it earlier from some other place and we still don’t know where that is.”
UPDATE: VandeHei says he “misspoke,” and meant to say Libby rather than Hadley.
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Somebody inside the WH has come up with a “chatter maze” defensive strategy and chosen VanDeHei to launch it?
December 13th, 2005 at 9:18 amBravo! Jane, Reddhed and EmptyWheel are the go to source for the Plame leak scandal. And Murray Waas.
December 13th, 2005 at 9:19 amEither (or both) WH and Woodward?
December 13th, 2005 at 9:19 amThe Dick’s office.
December 13th, 2005 at 9:20 amSo Plame’s identity was water cooler chatter at the White House? Is that a defense akin to “everyone is guilty, so no one is guilty”? This is more convoluted daily.
December 13th, 2005 at 9:25 amThe problem is everybody is guilty. They just want to dilute their own complicity in what is essentially treason.
December 13th, 2005 at 9:35 amActually, security-cleared people can’t chatter at the water cooler about NS data. It still has to be need-to-know.
December 13th, 2005 at 9:44 amI am more convinced every day that the bushies are just the type that will implode. They have done so many illegal and idiotic things that they are bound to fall on their swords sooner or later.
December 13th, 2005 at 9:44 am#7, M,
December 13th, 2005 at 9:53 amActually that is what I thought was the rule — but I certainly have doubts about this crowd who think, that because of their number and commensurate power, they are all above the law.
“They have done so many illegal and idiotic things that they are bound to fall on their swords sooner or later.”
Choking to death on their own vomit seems like a fitting metaphor in this case. ;)
December 13th, 2005 at 10:01 amTake a survey of 100 truly average Americans and I’ll bet you’ll struggle to find 10 that actually care about the Plame case. The only place it seems to matter is with the left wing of this country. I think its DOA and no one really cares. Fitzgerald’s first investigation turned up no evidence of outing because there was no outing of a covert agent. This whole thing has turned out to be nothing more than a witchhunt that will backfire. Trust me.
December 13th, 2005 at 10:01 amOh – you guys are no longer mainstream or the way most of America thinks these days. So get over it and conform or die. I don’t care.
December 13th, 2005 at 10:03 amI agree somewhat with Mr. Neato (#11), and also with Bill Maher who was often one to warn against starting a line of criticism with the foregone conclusion that Bush is an idiot and I will hate everything for which he stands.
That said, toning down the partisan rhetoric and rejecting the left-wing pipe dreams of an imminent implosion does nothing to alter the basic fact that Bush is, in fact, an idiot. Christ, I hate that bastard!
December 13th, 2005 at 10:09 amBecause some Americans don’t care what goes on in the WH means that we must continue opening those eyes. I inform others daily here in my red state. You would be surprised how many are truly shocked at the way they have been taken advantage of.
And, of course, printing out a few of the troll’s posts help those understand just how blind some can be and they would rather not join those ranks.
I am extremely excited about the average American coming out of their self imposed coma. Frist is a goner here in TN and it only looks up from here.
December 13th, 2005 at 10:12 amhmmm…#11, 12…that voice sounds familiar…”concerned conservative” maybe? …aren’t you the one who lost that bet with the REAL ryan neat? …curious…
December 13th, 2005 at 10:21 amDie GOP bitches! Until it’s legal to hunt you down and hang you like the treasonous pigs you are, (soon I think), that will have to suffice.
December 13th, 2005 at 10:38 amThe real story is Plame’s outing regardless of whether it was covert or not. Sure Wilson was a critic, but to totaly dismantle a whole bogus company and all it’s adventure to just rebut a critic. What was she working on or knew what the WHIG was working on? Forged Documents? Salting of VX Nerve gas? Or who knew what. The uber egos in the MSM have become too much of the story themselves so full BS deflector shields please Mr. SULU. What part of Islamofascism did Saddam represent? So why did we invade them again?
December 13th, 2005 at 10:45 amChrist, I hate that bastard!
Comment by SadSackSuperman
Cultivate that. It’s healthy for the democracy, the country and the people of the world. When you think about it, you are in tune with the planet and all the living things on it when you hate that bastard and all the little bastards who love him. Everyone hates that bastard! Why fight it?
December 13th, 2005 at 10:49 amI love this line in IRI’s #60 manifetso re conservatism, thanks for presenting it by the way, “From Burke, talent for re-expressing their convictions to fit the times.”
December 13th, 2005 at 10:51 amSo first it was UBL, the Axis of Evil, so Saddam is toast, what’s next? Please help me with the next “RE-EXPRESSION” Harriet Meirs was she a re-expression?
IRI and Bushcons have less to do with conservatism than F.A. Hayek did. IRI is a crypto-dominionist. A garden variety cultist. Read it:
Why I Am Not a Conservative
By Nobel laureate F. A. Hayek
In The Constitution of Liberty (Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1960)
December 13th, 2005 at 10:55 am
#11 & #12
As of mid November of this year, according to a Wall Street Journal poll, “Six in 10, including 43% of Republicans, say there should be a public investigation and hearings into exposure of operative Valerie Plame’s identity.”
In the same poll:
“Fully 69% of Americans hold Cheney personally responsible for the matter; 54% hold Bush responsible.”
also this:
“Among conservatives, 60% say other administration officials aside from Libby may have acted illegally.”
That measn, according to you, that 43% of Republicans aren’t in the mainstream. Maybe there is hope for the moderates after all.
December 13th, 2005 at 11:02 amTo All,
My Christmas present is a Karl Rove indictment. For as long as he is able to endure it, I would like him to suffer the misery his and his boss’s policies inflict on people all around the world!
I love the tactic of people who imagine a poll and its results and then base their positions on the fabricated “facts.” It is precisely this kind of fantasy and wishful thinking that caused the U.S. to invade Iraq in the first place.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey Stewart
December 13th, 2005 at 11:10 amThere seems to be a misconception that classified information can be given to whomever wants it in Washington, DC. This is incorrect.
In order to legally be given access to classified information, the intended recipient must have a need to know this information. Mere curiosity isn’t enough, nor even an insatiable desire to know, nor is having a high security clearance enough. Even a title, such as Vice President, does not replace a “need to know.”
It would be my contention that Vice President Cheney was never in a position where he needed to know that Ambassador Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA, let alone what her classified employment status was. (The CIA said it was classified; who are we to disagree?) Therefore, whoever told the Vice President about Mrs. Wilson’s status may have been the one who broke the law regarding handling of classified material. The Vice President, in turn, is not the one who could decide who else should get that information. He should have known the information was classified, so if he told Lewis Libby, then he violated the law.
I am also intrigued by something Matt Cooper said that Karl Rove said to him. Cooper said that Rove told him, “This will all be de-classified soon” (referring to Mrs. Wilson’s CIA status.) If accurate, this one sentence tells us two very important things: That the information Rove was relaying to Cooper was still classified (or else it would have been de-classified already) and, most importantly, that Rove knew the information was still classified.
One last thing to those who think no leak happened because no one was charged with leaking classified information: This is an absurd thing to say. The investigation is still ongoing, and it is already known that at least one person (possibly more) obstructed the investigation by lying to the Special Counsel. This obstruction made it much, much harder to find out the truth.
December 13th, 2005 at 12:48 pmIf Rove gets indicted within the next couple of weeks, it will indeed be a very Merry Christmas. I’ll be happy to see both Cheney and Bush’s right-hand man removed from power and facing trial, but if there is no indictment for the original crimes here, someone is getting away with treason of the highest order.
Has anyone noticed how frequently Bush seems to be referring to his “power” lately? He makes these weird statements like in the Brian Williams interview when he says: “You don’t want to keep the President waiting”. He’s a couple of sandwhiches short of a picnic.
Just finished Al Franken’s new book and it was EXCELLENT! Really, the most damning compilation of facts regarding the craven political scumbaggery of the Bushies and the GOP I’ve read yet. He’s got balls, he’s smart, and I hope he watches his back this week in Iraq.
December 13th, 2005 at 1:11 pmShort of a last minute intervention by Rove’s attorney, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is expected to ask a grand jury investigating the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson to indict Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove for making false statements to the FBI and Justice Department investigators in October 2003, lawyers close to the case say.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Fitzgerald_seen_to_press_for_Rove_1213.html
December 13th, 2005 at 1:22 pmOh – you guys are no longer mainstream or the way most of America thinks these days.
Comment by Ryan Neato — December 13, 2005 @ 10:03 am
Most of us advocate what we think is right, popular or not. We don’t base our opinions on fad beliefs du jour put forth by the Supreme (mis)Leader.
So get over it and conform or die.
What a blatant false dilemma, and call for utter conformism. Is this the country that is teaching Iraqis democracy?
I don’t care.
So why are you here?
December 13th, 2005 at 2:17 pm