Celebrate Christmas By Raising Minimum Wage
[Our guest blogger, Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD), is the House Minority Whip.]
As Congress focuses on leaving town to enjoy the holidays, I stood in the cold before the Capitol Christmas Tree with Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and Rep. George Miller (D-CA) today to call on Congress to act on the true meaning of Christmas – hope, generosity and good will toward others – and raise the minimum wage.
As a new report we released today with the Center for Economic and Policy Research details, families living on the minimum wage scrape and struggle each month to afford life’s most basic necessities. It is simply not possible for them to enjoy the holidays like the rest of us. No dozens of presents piled under the Christmas tree. No lavish meals on Christmas Eve and Day. It would take almost their entire December paycheck to afford the more than $700 that the average American spends celebrating Christmas.
Congress has the power to brighten the holiday for the almost 8 million Americans living on the minimum wage by increasing their paycheck.
Yet, this is the eighth year in a row that Congress has failed to enact even a small increase in the minimum wage. By freezing it at an inadequate $5.15 and ignoring the effects of inflation, Congress has essentially given a pay cut to these workers. In fact, if the minimum wage in 2005 was worth what it was worth in 1968 (its peak value), it would be $8.88 an hour.
How can the leadership in Congress leave Washington this week to enjoy a plentiful Christmas and a comfortable New Year knowing that their inaction has guaranteed another tough Christmas for millions of Americans?
This is just another stark example of how the Republican-controlled Congress does not have the right priorities for America. At the same time that they ignore the minimum wage and cut programs that invest in students and children, help our elderly and the poorest Americans, they vote for tens of billions of dollars in tax breaks that benefit the wealthy few. We can – and must – do better.
Representative Miller and Senator Kennedy have introduced a fair bill to increase the minimum wage to $7.25 over two years. Providing a livable wage to hardworking American families is not a Democratic or Republican issue. It is an issue of doing what is right and good.
Please contact your Members of Congress and urge them to pass the Kennedy/Miller bill before Congress adjourns this holiday season. This is a small gift that we can and should give to honest, hardworking Americans.
- Steny Hoyer
Your economics is a joke.
December 14th, 2005 at 7:11 pmLowdown, your callousness towards the neediest in our society is a sad joke. Keep up the fight Steny!
December 14th, 2005 at 7:15 pmAs one who recently lived on minimum wage, I can sympathize with everything that was said. For me, Christmas is another source of anxiety — not as much enjoyment as I would have hoped.
December 14th, 2005 at 7:18 pmNowhere in this country can a person survive on minimum wage. Nowhere.
Every year, Ted Kennedy requests that the $5.15 hourly wage (since 1987) be raised, and every year, after voting it down, they gove themselves a $3,000 to $4,000 raise to cushion their paltry $165,000 salaries.
We don’t have an equal rights amendment, but the Representatives have a pay raise Amendment. Whose interest do they represent again?
December 14th, 2005 at 7:29 pmI am for an increase in the minimum wage.
A few questions though. How would this affect inflation? And also, what about teenagers just trying to make some spending money?
December 14th, 2005 at 7:36 pmI appreciate the sentiment, Representative Hoyer. I think it’s important to understand, though, that a minimum wage increase may make many better off, but may also make a lot of people worse off.
Raising the minimum wage means raising costs to employers, and many of them will necessarily respond by reducing the number of people they employ. For the people who still have jobs, the wage increase is wonderful. For those who lose their jobs, though, it isn’t much of a blessing. This is Economics 101 stuff.
December 14th, 2005 at 7:46 pmHoyer?? You encouraged and allowed Hoyer to post a blog thread here. That is so DLC of you. In fact it is downright centrist and nary much to the left of center right at all. Hoyer is truly the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothes. Please do the real progressives a huge favor and ignore him, even when he has something possibly meaningful to say; since it could have been better said and more reliably put forward by, i don’t know, fifty other real progressive Congresspersons!!!
December 14th, 2005 at 7:47 pm“Your economics is a joke.”
Lowdown,
Apart from your poorly written sentence, you’ve missed a major point. It is not Hoyer’s economic system, the system you are referring to is capitalism led by and engineered for wealthy men. What I find surprising about the minimum wage debate is the simple fact that people with more money are better consumers. To my mind, the low minimum wage is reflective of both big business short-term greed and stupidity. One cannot pull themselves up by their boot straps if they cannot afford the boots!
jfran
December 14th, 2005 at 7:51 pmSure, raise the minimum wage. I have no argument with that. On the other side of that coin, how how about you and the rest of the jackals representing us rolling back your pay to where it was in 1987. While you’re at it, put in place something that limits CEO pay from being over 400 times that of what the average worker makes as well.
A law ceasing ALL contributions to all representatives from lobbyists would be a nice gesture too. Maybe then laws would be passed that would actually help the voters, instead of corporate interests.
You could do this country a great service by lifting the Social Security tax cap to a minimum of $150K or higher also. Then we wouldn’t have had to listen to this Douche-Bag-in-Chief insult our collective intelligence and waste taxpayer money with trumped-up city hall propaganda meetings about his useless version of setting up trust accounts or whatever he was babbling about.
Raising the minimum wage is a nice start, but why not offer some totally progressive reforms on top of it. You know, things that would actually help “we the people”.
December 14th, 2005 at 7:53 pm#9.
December 14th, 2005 at 7:55 pm$5.15 hour x 40 hrs/week = $206
$206 x 52 weeks/year = $10,712
Wow, $10,712! Is there anywhere in the United States that you can live for $10,712. I didn’t take out taxes, because I think that falls below the “you don’t have to pay taxes because you are so broke claus.”
December 14th, 2005 at 8:00 pmRight on Spudge. which reminds me — did you see that Morgan Spurlock documentary 30 days?? I think it was the first show where he and his wife tried to live on min wage and it was ridiculous. They couldn’t do — ended up in debt
December 14th, 2005 at 8:05 pmHe was standing by the Holiday Tree.
Why would there be a need to raise the minimum wage? The economy is doing great, I read it in all the papers.
Even at the minimum wage you pay Social Security and Medicare taxes.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:14 pmJack,
I did see that. You could see first hand how a family would drop deeper and deeper into debt, from which they could never recover.
Then the right wingers would say that they are lazy and just want government hand-outs.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:18 pmAnyone, even the dumbest liberal, who takes a basic college-level economics class knows that the net result of raising the minimum wage is a higher rate of inflation in the short term. Yes, it levels off eventually to normal rates, but the end state is that the higher inflation kills the effect of raising the wage. Furthermore, the overall effect of the higher-then normal inflation, with little actual increase in spending power, is a permanent net loss in buying power for the minimum wage earner. Everybody got that? RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE ACTUALLY HURTS IN THE LONG RUN. Those are the stark facts, and the reason why no politican with a basic understanding of Economics 101 supports raising the minimum wage. Wake-the-hell-up, people.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:20 pm#7
I don’t know where you studied economics (FOX News maybe), but when people used to earn a higher wage (1968 was the peak in dollar to dollar comparion), CEOs didn’t get 5 million dollar salaries and 15 million dollar bonuses. No one needs that much money when we have a limited amount of resources! The money isn’t being taken out of the economy, it’s being taken from the working class to make rich people filthy rich.
Besides, we’re talking about paying people $5.15 an hour! How can you not be appalled by that???
December 14th, 2005 at 8:22 pm#12
I saw a study three years ago that said you cannot afford rent on minimum wage in any U.S. city. That was three years ago. I’m sure it’s even worse now…
December 14th, 2005 at 8:27 pm#16. Have Any SOLUTIONS To the CRISIS?
December 14th, 2005 at 8:29 pmLets Hear it.
#16
Sorry to hear raising the minimum wage will deny you your champagne colonics… How dare some one actually want to eat this week instead??? Your compassion is astounding. Really.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:29 pmInteresting the name you chose to post under. A real American would care about other Americans, which you don’t. So, you are not a real American.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:30 pmSoooo #16. What is your solution?
December 14th, 2005 at 8:31 pm#16, No Comment?
December 14th, 2005 at 8:32 pmHhhmmmm.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:32 pmI’ll get back to you all in a minute….. my fiance’ just called. Sorry.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:36 pmwell, we know where His money is Going,roflmao
December 14th, 2005 at 8:37 pm#24 is phoning a friend for assistance…
December 14th, 2005 at 8:37 pmYes Dear No Dear Whatever you say Dear. The money is in the Bank Dear.ROFLMAO
December 14th, 2005 at 8:38 pmNo one can live on $5.15 an hour. Congress always finds away to give themself a raise every year but the poor people get s*it. They do not care about the Middle and poor people of America and have no compassion.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:41 pmHeHe, ABOUT TO LOSE HIS FREEDOMS
December 14th, 2005 at 8:41 pmRecent Earthquake Activity in the USA
December 14th, 2005 at 8:44 pmMagnitude 3.0 - MOUNT ST. HELENS AREA, WASHINGTON
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What ever happened to the war on poverty that LBJ started back in the 60s. Been going on for over forty years or did you liberals just give up on that war too? Seems you don’t have the courage or conviction for any kind of war. Anyone with a shred of intelligence knows that if you do raise the minimum wage, all you will get is a short term fix, which isn’t really much of a fix anyway. If a person earning $200 a week suddenly gets $280, how much is that really going to help? What those individuals need are the opportunity to climb up the ladder and the way our economy has been expanding lately, they have just that. Instead of raising the minimum wage, we should ensure those people have the opportunity to go to college or receive technical training to get a better job. I would also like to see congress not voting themselves so many pay raises, but to have the pay raise as an issue on the ballet. If we the people feel they have done their job and deserve the raise, they should get it.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:49 pm#15 - This is a typical republican lie. In actual fact, every time the minimum wage has been raised, not only have no jobs been lost, but in fact the ecomony has expanded. The more people at the lower end of the pay scale make the more they have to spend thus boosting the economy. Oh yeah, I’m a dumb liberal who got an a in econ - which you’ve obviously never taken.
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December 14th, 2005 at 8:53 pm#32
December 14th, 2005 at 8:56 pmI don’t know what econ professor you fellated in order to get your A, but obliviously you didn’t absorb anything from the class (except for his semen). Pay attention, because I’m only going to say this once: Increased wages equals increased spending. Increased spending causes increased demand. Increased demand causes a pinch in supply. A pinch in supply causes INCREASED PRICES. INCREASED PRICES EQUALS A RISE IN INFLATION. Got it? Now go back to class, moron.
#31, Our economy is not expanding in the sense that are you saying. Most of the jobs created are temp or retail jobs, with no opportunity for advancement and no security, and the median wage has dropped for the fifth year running. The other option is putting yourself further in debt by moving or going back to school.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:57 pmThe federal minimum wage should be abolished, there is not constitutional authority for the federal government to force employers to pay a certain wage. State governments don’t have the same limitation. But of course liberals have no interest in constitutional limits.
Mot people earning minimum wage are unskilled young people living with their parents and without families to support.
Finally, raising the minimum wage makes it harder for unskilled workers to find jobs in the first place. Better to earn $5.15 an hour for a while and then move up than to remain unemployed.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:58 pmI read an article yesterday that stated that wages are not keeping up with the cost of rental property.
The article said you would have to earn over $15 an hour to afford a 2 bedroom apt.
The county I live in is the richest county in Illinois. The homeless population has increased dramatically. Those using food pantries has doubled.
Yep, even in an affluent county the economy is taking its toll.
December 14th, 2005 at 8:58 pmMyth: Raising the minimum wage hurts the poor by causing job loss.
Reality: Nearly 10 million working Americans would get a pay raise if the minimum wage is increased to $5.l5 per hour. As Nobel Prize-winning economist Robert Solow said, “[T]he evidence of job loss is weak. And the fact that the evidence is weak suggests that the impact on jobs is small.” (Source: New York Times, January 12, 1995)
Myth: The only study showing that raising the minimum wage does not cost jobs was a study funded by the U.S. Labor Department.
Reality: One major study — conducted in 1992 and financed by Princeton University and the University of Wisconsin — was published by two Princeton University economists. One of those economists later joined the Labor Department. (Source: Washington Post, January 11, 1995) Furthermore, a similar conclusion has been reached by at least ten other independent studies.
http://www.dol.gov/ asp/ programs/ history/ reich/ reports/ pay.htm
December 14th, 2005 at 9:01 pmAs far as a solution to the minimum wage quandry, the fact is there is no solution. It is a no win situation, seriously. If people want to escape the minimum wage trap, they shouldn’t turn to the government, anyway. Do the old-fashioned way, the way I did it, the way most successful people do it. Go to school. Make yourself more marketable. Get the skills necessary to make yourself worthy of a better wage. Join the military. What-the-hell ever. This is America, not France. Sink or swim, baby.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:01 pm#34.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:02 pmThats not much of a solution then, is it MAD American.
So, Iask you AGAIN, WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION TO HELP THE POOR AND POVERTY IN AMERICA..I.E..HOMELESS REAL MILITARY VETERANS THAT FOUGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOMS!
AND They ARE PISSED!!!!
A question for the neocon chickenhawks…
Who is going to buy your lousy products and services if consumers spend all of their money on living costs?
Other neocon chickenhawks? Do they like lousy products and services?
December 14th, 2005 at 9:03 pmwwallace thinks the ‘constitution’ comes from a high fiber :()
December 14th, 2005 at 9:06 pmI thought we were talking about minimum wage, nofreedom!? What do the poor (most of whom don’t work at all), and the homeless (who DEFINITELY don’t work) have to do with the minimum wage?
December 14th, 2005 at 9:06 pmHey fake American, I suppose you support the neocons at Walmart who help their employees sign up for govt benefits.
If you have a problem, tell it to Walmart, then you may have the right to call yourself real. Until then, you are the problem, not the solution.
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December 14th, 2005 at 9:06 pmSusan, are you incapable of anything besides name-calling and lies?
The homeless are generally drug addicts and mentally ill. In other words, mostly Democrats. The minimum wage has nothing to do with it.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:06 pm#39. Are you even Old enough to vote yet? I understand you are soon getting married.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:08 pmFirst? Second?
You really know nothing, do you lowlife AMERICAN?
Ryan Neat has a degree in economics. And I’m the Prince of Wales. LOL
December 14th, 2005 at 9:08 pmwwallace, are you incapable of anything besides name-calling and lies?
The republicans are generally drug addicts and mentally ill. In other words, mostly trolls. The repeal of the minimum wage is just an excuse to repeal slavery and help lazy white republicans to get cheap labor.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:08 pmFirst of all, dickweed, I AM IN THE MILITARY. 5th BN, 82nd FA out of Fort Bliss. I’ve been on 3 different hazardous duty tours in my career. I DEFEND YOUR FREEDOM. Secondly, again, are we talking about the minimum wage, or what?
December 14th, 2005 at 9:08 pmI have a degree in economics. And wwallace is the Princes of Whales. LOL :()
December 14th, 2005 at 9:08 pmAND Who is PUSHING Drugs onto the so-called Addicts wwallace? YOU?
December 14th, 2005 at 9:09 pmMentally Ill are being taken care of you moron!
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December 14th, 2005 at 9:10 pmIf you have a degree in economics, Ryan, then you should know better.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:11 pm[comment deleted by admin.]
December 14th, 2005 at 9:11 pmYou know that raising the minimum wage causes inflation, but you are too ideologically blind to tell the truth.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:12 pmARealIdiot,
Better than what, to call you an idiot and a fool for stating wild and unsubstantiated claims? You are a fool, and your posts prove it.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:12 pmNo dummy, we are talking about YOUR Solution!
December 14th, 2005 at 9:13 pmbeside Your too young too concieve the Fact of reality at your dumb young age, punk.
Go Ahead, Defend my freedom. I,ll laugh as you get your ass ripped apart!
You want to defend my freedom? Go To Iraq and Stay there, Until the WORLD Is FREE.
(What, you thought I didn,t serve?)Stupid Kid!
What are you, 20? 21? maybe 22????
Ryan-
December 14th, 2005 at 9:15 pmAgain, you know the truth, but you won’t tell everyone else what the real deal is.
What is the name of the drug that Rush Limbaugh is addicted to?
December 14th, 2005 at 9:15 pmHow many 8 balls of coke did Bubble Boy do a day?
December 14th, 2005 at 9:16 pmnofreedom!-
December 14th, 2005 at 9:16 pmI’m 31, jackass.
And I’m not in the Air Force, moron.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:17 pmSusan,
Right on, great minds think alike :()
December 14th, 2005 at 9:21 pmYou may be a real american, but you’re not a real economist. Raising the minimum wage causes unemployment in the short run because most companies without a proportionate increase in productivity will not hire the next marginal worker and reduce the work force to adjust to the legislated increase in wages. The theory is that the overall wages in the market as a whole will remain unchanged and the number of workers will decrease.
A monetarist would argue that only an increase in the money supply causes inflation i.e. more money chasing the same goods raises prices.
Raising the minimum wage is more likely to decrease overall employment in the short run but is unlikely to increase inflation.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:21 pmAnswer the question please chickenhawk neocons.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:22 pmWhy is the Federal Trade Deficit at its highest level?
Nathan Newman has a great retort to the illiterate and nonsensical ‘inflation’ argument.
The first argument that raising minimum wage would create inflation is ignoring the fact that the greed of our current business owners is also causing inflation. Businesses raise their prices whenever thy want but when workers ask that minimum wage be increased to keep up with inflation, the first thing out of the mouths of those against it is “Oh we can’t raise minimum wage, it will cause inflation”. Most of these people speaking out against minimum wage increases are business owners who themselves are causing inflation with their own greed. Businesses can increase our infaltion rate all they want but when workers need more income they are being greedy.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:23 pmWell, obviously the dialog is going downhill fast here. Since it is impossible to counter my arguements about the minimum wage, I guess I’ll leave you fools to wallow in your own ideological cess pool. Get a clue, get off your ass, and stop bitching about the country. We’ve been going strong for 200+ years. It won’t stop.
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December 14th, 2005 at 9:24 pm#80 Is Right.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:26 pmIt Might Beehoove You To Listen Young Cadet.
HUA?
Come on guys, you know Paris Hilton is rich because she works so damn hard to earn those multi-millions… and the rest of us are middle class because 65 hours a week is just flat out lazy!!!
December 14th, 2005 at 9:27 pm#78 Ryan, Corporations are making huge profits which proves that they can pay higher wages. Its like you state, greed rules the neocon party.
Answer the question fake american. We are waiting.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:27 pm200 years to you may seem like alot of years, Am I right?
December 14th, 2005 at 9:28 pmThink again, The Hebrew Slaves Spent Fourty Years in a Desert. You Try that and tell me How long that Was.
Inflation = 15 billion each Christmas bonuses for the CEOs
December 14th, 2005 at 9:29 pmSusan,
He can’t answer, because a moron who doesn’t know crap about the stuff he was spouting nonsense on. Typical republican moron, all opinion, no expertise. Listening to republicans is like watching Brown run FEMA, it’s just embarrassingly sad.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:31 pmFake American,, Are YOU POSITIVELY Sure That YOU want to DEFEND ME????????????And my FREEDOM??????
December 14th, 2005 at 9:32 pmBetter think hard, cause I dont give a rats ass about yours!
This huge gap in trade is why our economy sucks Ryan. I don’t have a degree in economics but I do have a degree in common sense.
If common sense could be bought, fake american might have some but technology will never be that advanced.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:34 pmThe economy is doing very well.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:37 pmRyan, #43:
wwallace thinks the ‘constitution’ comes from a high fiber
:() Comment by Ryan Neat
That is the FUNNIEST thing I have read here,… maybe EVER!!!
I only got to your post before being stared down by a kid wanting to take over, but I HAD TO let you know before I had to leave that your comment made my night!!!
December 14th, 2005 at 9:38 pm-TB
True Blue obviously needs to get out more. LOL
December 14th, 2005 at 9:41 pmSusan,
There are a boat load of problems.
The fiscal irresponsiblity of poorly qualified federal spending.
The irresponsible tax cuts.
The low savings rates of americans that require huge foreign currency investments in T-Bills to finance the spending.
The out of control health spending brought on by corporate greed and healthcare/insurance consolidation.
The large number of unemployed.
The huge increase in poverty brought on by the inept monetary mismanagement.
The AMT on the middle class that has been a defacto tax increase on the people who should be getting a decrease if anyone should.
The list goes on and on. Basically EVERY opportunity to make a wise decision has resulted in the opposite and most irresponsible choice being made. This administration is a textbook case of FEMA quality economic mismanagement.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:41 pmwwallace obviously needs to get out more. LOL
December 14th, 2005 at 9:42 pmArguments about Economics are like arguments about the bible. There’s an excellent chance you can find a study to prove your point and contradict another’s point just as you can find a passage to prove your point or the other,pick one. The Robert Reich study mentioned above for example was one done at Princeton by the guy who,oddly enough ,went on to be Reich’s lieutenant in the Labor Dept. And the study was part of Reich’s argument to support Pres. Clinton’s desire to raise the minimum wage. Which he did. I thiught for sure I at least offerred a reasonable counter to the inflation argument, which I suppose is why the (un)real american left.
Too bad the current President doesn’t take that approach;just declare victory and get out.
The trade deficit is (a lot)oil imports since we’re stuck importing something like 65% of our oil fix every day, including having to iport gasoline. We also seem to really like cheap Chinese goods to sell at all of our retailers. It can also be affected by the relative strength or weakness of the dollar. I try not to read too much into it.
The deficit is what will eventually burst this bubble. That and Medicare which wiil cause the country to eventually default on its debt.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:42 pmJust a request that we try to keep the dialogue civil and stay on topic. I think there is some good discussion in this thread. Let’s keep it high quality.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:44 pmTJM ,
December 14th, 2005 at 9:46 pmNow Thats Words too The WISE! WAKE UP AMERICA.
Freedoms Not Free!
Sorry Judd.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:49 pmTwas the Night Before Christmas and the Tree was Bare.
No Money , ne Presents to Spare.
Just a Casual Argument to Bear.
Must Concentrate, Must Stay on Topic! Wait What is that I hear? Why Its Santa…Fill in the Blank.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:50 pmwwwallace, when you give the bubble boy permission to spend 1 billion dollars per week of my money to promote democracy in Iraq, then yes, you care more about Iraqi’s than you do your fellow American. That makes you a traitor.
Your fellow American would appreciate a wage increase but can’t have it because you stole our money and gave it to the Iraqi’s.
Get it now or do you need a novel?
December 14th, 2005 at 9:51 pmSUSAN,
December 14th, 2005 at 9:53 pm“The Adventures Of
Salsbury Santa?”
Written By Sue.
Please answer the question posted wwwallace.
Why is the Federal Trade Deficit at an all time high?
December 14th, 2005 at 9:53 pmGood one freedom. Salsbury Santa and gravy for all. I want mashed potatoes with mine.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:54 pmwwallaces needs rehab ed.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:54 pmIn reading the posts here, it seems as if “Real American” (so self-named for his uncanny ability to absorb sound-bite knowledge?)was scared off when arguments actually based on the discipline of economics were posted. His GOP talking points just couldn’t stand up to the scrutiny of those who have studied economics. But then, that has been the pretty much been the distinguishing feature of supply-side economics from its inception. To Ryan Neat and TJM: thanks for your thoughtful posts.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:54 pmoops, Meant REhab REed.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:55 pmAnd That , Coming From A 13 YO Female.
December 14th, 2005 at 9:57 pmwwallace, A Fake American, You should be ashamed!
#93 The problem here with the trolls is like you state. They use talking points. Ryan Neat says he has a degree in Economics and I believe him. The trolls call him a liar.
Thinkprogress attracts people with a diverse amount of knowledge and education and for some reason the neocons find that unbelievable. America is diverse and when the neocons understand that we will all be better off.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:01 pmWhy is the Federal Trade Deficit at an all time high?
Still waiting for an answer.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:03 pmSusan called me names! What will I do now! lol
December 14th, 2005 at 10:04 pmDoes anyone have book recommendations written for laypeople (such as myself) that explain the dynamics of what’s currently going in our economy? Nothing kooky or partisan… please.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:07 pmM. Duchamp , yes.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:11 pmIt is called”The BIBLE”.
But, You MUST Read It. It does no good if not Reading it.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:12 pmLet me reemphasise that. YOU! Must read it.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:13 pmM. Duchamp, I don’t have any recommended reading but I do know that Americans are carrying more debt than ever. Check out my site if you like. I specialize in credit and debt.
I also understand that when the trade gap is as wide as it is right now it only hurts America.
We are buying products from foreign countries instead of manufacturing products in America. Loss of jobs is the outcome. Loss of jobs hurts the economy. People cant spend when they have nothing to spend. Spending makes the economy strong. Trade makes the economy strong.
Bubble Boy has killed our economy.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:14 pmI’m currently trying to read up on economics. I just read Tim Harford’s The Undercover Economist, which is definitely meant for the lay person. I really enjoyed it, and it whetted my appetite for more. The book really showed the illustrative power of economic thought, though it doesn’t really explain the current state of the American/Global macroeconomy. Currently, I’m reading Why Globalization Works, by Martin Wolf. So far so good.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:14 pmIf you want to get a general idea of the economic state of things, you can always periodically read The Economist magazine. Best newsweekly out there.
Sell everything YOU Have, Give it to the Poor, Then, Come, Follow Me.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:16 pm(I forgot who said that)
But I know its in the BIBLE.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:17 pmMun, Are you really a 13f?
December 14th, 2005 at 10:18 pmor is that your Daughter?
Raising the minimum wage increases unemployment. Great idea demorats. This is what happens when lawyers pretend they are economists.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:32 pmLeading Economic Indicators
Chief executive officers at 367 top U.S. corporations were paid, on average, $431 last
year for every $1 paid to their companies’ average production worker, according to
publicly available information jointly compiled in September by Institute for Policy Studies
and United for a Fair Economy. In 1990, the ratio was about $100-to-$1. (If the federal
minimum wage had increased since 1990 by the same rate as the multiple for CEOs’ pay,
it would have risen from $5.15 an hour to $23.03, but, of course, it’s still $5.15.)
[New York Times, 9-4-05]
http://www.yourperfectcredit.com/Pulse.html
December 14th, 2005 at 10:35 pmI see no headway, Therefore, I retire all solutions your way.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:38 pmfreedom is not… ohhh, I mean, nofreedom!
Would you QUIT with the BIBLE!!!!!
It’s appropriate when BROUGHT UP! STOP jamming it down our throats, already. I’m really tired of it.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:38 pmOkay. Please. ONLY when disputing some knucklehead. Ryan knows more than you do, tey he only uses that knowledge when disputing some idiot trying to use the Bible for their own dilusional rants. You seem to really be closer to them when you start doing the same.
Just take a chill pill, will ‘ya?
True Blue — Please read comment #100.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:41 pmAnd I am not so sure Ryan would want to “Knows It All”.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:43 pmI Know I don,t want to know it all..
Do you want to know everything True Blue?
Susan,
#109 - Excellent post. Thank you!
Gives one perspective.
These people claiming “lost jobs”… oh, so if we LOWER min wage we’ll have MORE jobs???
December 14th, 2005 at 10:44 pmGet a grip, folks!
There is a liveable wage, and we’re not there.
Just another way the “Haves” keep the “Have Nots” under their (collective) thumb.
Sad.
True Blue, and that is the point in the Bible. Jesus said to the Certain Rich Man”Sell everything you posess, give to the POOR, then come, Follow me.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:46 pmThe Bible is a handy tool, if you understand it.
Look, Free/not free:
I never said Ryan “Knows it all” so step the Hell off.
I’ve told you before. Sick of your bible crap.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:48 pmStop, already. You bring it up at inappropriate times. Ryan doesn’t. That’s all I said.
You also post and post and post. Same thing over and over and over.
It’s like a 2 year old during a temper tantrum.
CHILL!
You are NOT that important, and your posts are not more important than others.
For it is Harder for the rich to enter into the Kingdom of God, Than, it is for a Camel to pass through the Eye of a Needle.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:50 pmBlessed be ye POOR! For yours is the kingdom of God.
But, WOE Unto you who are Rich.
I AM FREAKIN POOR!!!!
STOP, Already!
December 14th, 2005 at 10:53 pmI make 600.00/ MONTH right now.
CUT IT OUT!
Why fall back on someone ELSES words????
Don’t you have an original thought in there?
USE IT THEN!
Act Now!
“It’s great to work for Wal-Mart.”
Or so says one of Wal-Mart’s newest ‘employees,’ country music superstar Garth Brooks. You may have recently spotted Garth in one of Wal-Mart’s new holiday ads. But did you know he’s signed on to sell his music exclusively at Wal-Mart? Tell Garth Brooks the truth about Wal-Mart’s unfair treatment of its workers and ask him to reconsider the deal.
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Tell Garth about Wal-Mart’s misdeeds:
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Garth Brooks’ legendary music provides a soundtrack to the lives of ordinary Americans. His fans are honest, hard-working people - some of the very same men and women that endure Wal-Mart’s unfair treatment. Song after song, Garth takes on their issues. Now that he’s working for Wal-Mart, he should stand up for his fellow workers.
Take a minute to write Garth Brooks today!
Sincerely,
Liz Cattaneo
December 14th, 2005 at 10:53 pmAmerican Rights at Work
http://www.WalMartWorkersRights.org
As holiday shopping reaches its frenzied peak, we’ve launched a new and funny Christmas song –”Its Always Christmas Time (for Visa)!” — about abusive practices by credit card companies.
Take a look, laugh and take action! Go to http://www.creditcardreform.org/
Every Christmas, we pull out our credit cards to buy gifts for our friends and family. But, those credit cards can turn on us later: skyrocketing interest, late fees for bills mailed on time, low minimum payments that can bury us in interest.
Did you know that credit card contracts frequently contain something called a “universal default” clause that allows the card company to jack up your interest rate because you made a late payment on another card, looked into refinancing your mortgage, or made unusually big purchases? Its time for credit card reform!
Our funny song takes a light hearted approach to a serious problem, and we think you will enjoy it as much as we do. Share it with your friends, but also take a moment to then contact your legislators in support of credit card reform bills in Congress that will really help protect consumers.
The holiday season will come and go fast–and we hope to bring national attention to the problems people face and to these bills before the end of the year. If you enjoy the song, please tell your friends so they can take action too and add their voice to yours! We’ve created a special Santa holiday card you can send to them after you take action with a quick holiday greeting and a link to the song and action.
Thanks so much for your help!
Sincerely,
December 14th, 2005 at 10:56 pmGail Hillebrand
CreditCardReform.org
Think of the Christmas I’M having!!!
Haven’t said anything til YOU pushed me to the edge!
FREAkin poor!Don’t have a clue how to get my kid Christmas.
December 14th, 2005 at 10:56 pm… and I’m a slow responder because my computer is 5 1/2 years old!
December 14th, 2005 at 10:57 pmI have to back out, refresh, go back in before I can see anything.
Don’t PREACH that crap to me; I live it EVERY damn day.
STOP!
#122
December 14th, 2005 at 10:59 pmDamn.
I’m sorry, M.Duchamp, #124
December 14th, 2005 at 11:02 pmI don’t mean to bring you down.
Sorry if I offended you.
#125
December 14th, 2005 at 11:04 pmYou didn’t offend me. I didn’t know what to say. That was a powerful smackdown. Nofreedom! was annoying me, but your situation kind put everything into perspective. Without trying to sound contrived or anything, I’m pulling for you.
125 - 126
December 14th, 2005 at 11:05 pmAnd by “pulling for you,” I mean I wish you and your children well and good luck.
True Blue, if you’re serious about needing help with x-mas for your children, I’m sure toys for tots can help.
Check out the Dept. of Human Services in your area, they should be able to guide you.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:06 pmOh.
Thank you.
I’m really touched.
Thank you.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:07 pmOr call your local Fire Dept. Station. They are often distributors for the toys for tots program. Toys for tots is organized by the Marine Corp. if that helps.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:08 pmI,ve seen people that live on a dollar a day missy. in africa, afganistan, saudi, trust me missy, as an american you are lucky to be alive.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:11 pmimagine yourself living in india where the population is four times greater than americas population.
I was in Thailand the Year before the Tsunami.
In Mogadishu, Africa? My Lord. No Infrastructure, both sides of streets littered like a dump yard on both sides. kids running around, armless, legless.
it is sad. then coming back to america, shush, america is Filthy Rich comarably to nations Ive seen.
True Blue, Consider yourself lucky to be alive, and allways give thanks.
and dont be ashamed to ask for help.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:13 pmor even a raise as far as that gos.
and allways give thanks to God.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:14 pmThanks, Susan,
Too proud.
Plus, she’s 16.
She wants video games (50.00)
Scene It Lord of the Rings (70.00)
… you get the idea.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:14 pmNo one’s dropping that off @ Toys for Tots.
But she is old enough to know my limitations. She’s a good kid. Had to put up with a lot. Don’t want to bring everyone down, but she has come thru’ 2 hip operations, uncontrolled Epilepsy for 2+ yrs., and a mom who went from working on the Human Genome Project to pretty much penniless in Hyannis, MA.
She’s a great kid.
I was just objecting to the barage of stuff.
Sorry.
Really. I’m not complaining. We have a roof over our head due to her father helping, so at least we’re not destitute.
We’re ok.
Better than some out there.
Thank you for your kind words.
comparably
December 14th, 2005 at 11:15 pm#131
December 14th, 2005 at 11:16 pmI have to say, your self righteous tirades are growing stale. Let me guess, you were a missionary. I guess that explains the preaching. Lay off True Blue. You act like you’re drunk or something.
Hey, you started it asking for references, I gave it. Where she came from , I have no Idea.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:18 pmRE # 100.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:19 pmbut, i,ll leave it at that. bye.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:20 pmOh Boy,
I think I’ve started something bad now.
Really, I think I’d take all my posts back seeing the trouble I caused.
Why not get back to topic, OK?
Sorry, everyone. Your wishes are noted and deeply felt, Honestly.
But I don’t want to be like a troll who takes us off topic…. OK?
Thank you!!!!!
December 14th, 2005 at 11:20 pmTrue Blue, you worked on mapping our DNA. That’s too cool! I wonder if nofreedom! is a creationist…
December 14th, 2005 at 11:24 pm#138 via #100
December 14th, 2005 at 11:26 pmSo by asking for a book on economics you recommend the Bible? I’d say you’re acting like a fool.
True Blue, You live in my moms neck of the woods.
I’ve heard good things about game rentals by mail. Comparable to Netflix.
You can have a game by x-mas for $10 to keep for 1 month.
Each month your daughter can select a game and keep it for $20 per month after the first month.
Can cancel anytime.
I’ve used Netflix (d.v.d. rental service by mail) and was very satisfied.
Try these sites.
gamefly.com
moviesandgames123.com
December 14th, 2005 at 11:31 pm#143. No Comment.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:33 pm#144. Good Comment.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:33 pmgnite.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:34 pmM Duchamp,
December 14th, 2005 at 11:34 pmI sure did! Most people look at me puzzled when I say that. I’m glad you know what it is!!
MIT, Center for Genome research.
Sequenced Braca 2 gene. Schizophernia. Tubersclerosis. (Not tuberculousis!!)Tons more!
Anyway, it was fun. Those were the good ‘ol days!
#143, Susan,
December 14th, 2005 at 11:37 pmTHank you! I never heard of it.
I’m about 1 1/2 miles from the Kennedy Compound.
It’s BORING here right now! (Everything has shut down til next year.)
Thanks again.
Oops, $15 per month for 1 rentals. (after first month)
$22 per month for 2 rentals.
https://www.gamefly.com/ member/ reg3c.asp?tp=n&dftppt=45
December 14th, 2005 at 11:37 pmTrue Blue, my moms in Mansfield.
Gotta go, good night and good luck.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:39 pm#147
I’ve done some medical visualization work, nothing DNA related. I love all things science. You have my respect, True.
If you don’t mind me asking, are you unemployed or currently working outside your chosen field? It seems like you would have some good career prospects
December 14th, 2005 at 11:40 pmJust back after refreshing, so you are probably gone… But THANK YOU!
Good to know there are still nice people out there.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:41 pmM. Duchamp,
Again, sorry for the delay.
There is 0 Biotech down here!!
I’m currently unemployed, due to a bad accident.
I’m hoping to get back on track soon, but it’s been a tough year & 1/2!
Went back to school for Physical Therapy about 4 years ago.
December 14th, 2005 at 11:47 pmWhen I’m back I’ll be able to help people on the “other” side of the microscope!
Thanks for asking!
#153
“I’m not a lawyer, nor have I formally studied law.”
Ryan may not be a lawyer, but he is an Irish-American Hindu Economist… not that there’s anything wrong with that (it just runs up the printing cost on his business cards and stationary). ;p
December 14th, 2005 at 11:50 pmHi Ryan,
December 14th, 2005 at 11:54 pmNever thought of you as a lawyer.
Always thought of you as an activist. Always “doing”, ‘ya know? Reaching out, etc. That’s been my thought. (for what it’s worth.)
DID always wonder about your command of the Bible, but you cleared that bit up recently.
5.15/ hr??? Can anyone BELIEVE that?
Silly. How anyone can argue against it is … I don’t know! I’m at a loss for words! It’s just assinine.
#154
December 14th, 2005 at 11:56 pmDamn. You’ve been through some serious sh*t. It can’t be easy, especially adding in the teenager factor. You’re a strong person. Once your body mends you’ll be back and at ‘em in no time.
#156 Ryan,
December 15th, 2005 at 12:00 amWish I had read that post before posting!
You are funny!!!
Then again, I am also Irish so maybe I am more appreciative of your sense of humor!
“talk out of their sphincters”… Boy I love that!!!!
#158:
M Duchamp,
I always looked at it that: that’s how life is.
Never “woe is me.” No sense in that.
I’ll be back to it.
I just hate the right wingers saying that I am a lout because I need help “right now”. Doesn’t matter that I’ve worked full time for some 20 years. I’m now part of the “lower class”. THAT gets my Irish up!
But as far as “serious crap”,… don’t we all have our stuff to get thru’? We just do what we need to do.
We’ll be OK. This Christmas may stink a bit, but at least we HAVE a Christmas with each other. That’s how we look at it, anyway.
Thank you for your kindness, though. I do acknowledge and appreciate it.
December 15th, 2005 at 12:08 amSorry, everyone. Your wishes are noted and deeply felt,
Comment by True Blue — December 14, 2005 @ 11:20 pm
No need to apologise, True Blue. My best wishes for you and your family this Christmas. I wish I could do more for you than that. Human Genome Project, eh? How cool.
nofreedom! -I have to agree with M. Duchamp and True Blue. Long posts lifted straight off the Bible with no context offer little or no insight into what you are thinking or what solution you are trying to propose.
Your posts would be more helpful if, instead, they had a Christian perspective on current issues and you expressed it in your own words.
December 15th, 2005 at 12:21 amMy Christian perspective is That God never had Set no one Free. But, hey, Once You set them Free, You can Never Take it away from them./ So, Enjoy your Freedoms while they last.
December 15th, 2005 at 12:26 amEnd of Subject, Finickto, Finished.
Believe whatever you want to believe, I dont care anymore.
hey, More War power to all of You.
Easiest way to raise the minimum wage is to add an amendment to the Constitution that states that no federal employee, including elected officials earn more than eight times the minimum wage, honorariums and dividends included.
December 15th, 2005 at 12:46 amThe problem is that there just isn’t enough trickle-down. We can fix this with another and bigger tax break for the wealthy.
December 15th, 2005 at 2:24 amFirst, True Blue, I just wanted to let you know that I think you must be an AMAZING person. Your posts just radiate with positive energy. This time of year, it is far to easy to be swept up in the whole consumer frenzy, more concerned about getting “things” for people, or our inability to do so. Gosh what a waste. Every year I watch my neices and nephews, little hyper cyclones tearing open packages, looking at them only long enough to identify the item, and tossing them aside with one hand, while reaching for the next one. Gawd it is soooo gross. Your daughter is so fortunate to have you as her mother. It is too late for me, but I actually envy your daughter. To be blessed with a mother who LOVES her “baby” is the ultimate gift, one that NO amount of money can buy. Careful, I’m going to make myself cry…. Blue, you are a beautiful human being. I hope that the new year brings only positive things to you!!! Now, secondly, the minimum wage. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!! I would like all of you A-Holes (pardon me) who try to make others believe that raising it will cause the sky to fall, PULEEZE just shut your pie holes!! You are not being truthful. At all. Shame on you. I live in Washington State. In January our min. wage will go to $7.35 an hour. Still pathetic, but better than the Fed. I spent cold, wet weekends outside grocery stores and asked people to sign petitions to get the initiative on the ballot. One fellow had the nerve to say to me that he “didn’t believe in that.” What an ass. And the whining from the Tavern and Restaraunt owners was unreal! Oh Woe To Them!!! No jobs, we’ll have to close, blah blah blah Well, we got enough signatures (without having to cheat) got it on the ballot and it passed. Wasn’t even close. The day it took effect, my employers at the time, had to give us all a raise, raised their prices,(I am a stylist)and then proceeded to adjust our commission scale and “user fees”, etc., until somehow we ended up making LESS than before. Damned accts. But I wouldn’t change it. Alot of people were helped. and the sky did not fall. AMAZING!!! Sorry this was so long, but it hit my “spot”. Bygones….
December 15th, 2005 at 4:13 amNowhere in this country can a person survive on minimum wage. Nowhere.
Comment by unbelievable
That’s not true, my dear girl. This cheeto-eating moron does it…
Lowdown, your callousness towards the neediest in our society is a sad joke. Keep up the fight Steny!
Comment by Jack — December 14, 2005
… but he still lives in mommy’s basement.
December 15th, 2005 at 6:53 amThis cheeto-eating, free rent in mommy’s basment moron…
Your economics is a joke.
Comment by lowdown — December 14, 2005
December 15th, 2005 at 6:55 amRyan may not be a lawyer, but he is an Irish-American Hindu Economist…
M.Duchamp
I think a new Faux News expose hosted by Osama jon Gibson, (wingnut brother of Osama ben Gibson) out this spring asserts that the anti-Christ is an Irish-American Hindu Economist who plays a lawyer on the internets.
December 15th, 2005 at 7:00 amLowdown, this ‘economics’ you speak off. What does it mean? What does it stand for? Before you give me the wrong answer i’ll give you the right one: Economics means taking good care of the home we live in, that is: the world. Economics means running things so that everyone can have enough of the wealth of the world. You also have to see this in time, people from the future should be able to have as much as we have. If it’s impossible then we’re being too greedy. Spending €700 or 700$ on your closest friends and family for a holiday you don’t even know the origin of, while your (black?) neighbours only earn 700$ in 7 months is scandalous, UNeconomical and probably the most common sin commited by all in the West. Economics can be no joke. Economics is justice, the economy of what all politicians and pseudo-intellectuals speak does not exist. If it did exist, Africa and China wouldn’t be so damn damn damn damn extorted, and Americans and Europeans wouldn’t be so damn consume-happy. Maybe that’s what you meant after all: economics is a joke? To a REAL intellectual it is, you know?
December 15th, 2005 at 7:15 amJesus,
# 6, 13 & 15
I never took Economics 101. It sounds like the Law 101 course another right wing troll told me about once. There is no such thing as a Law 101 course, either but the economy is just booming like beating on a hollowed out log!
December 15th, 2005 at 7:16 amThe problem is that there just isn’t enough trickle-down. We can fix this with another and bigger tax break for the wealthy.
Comment by Guest — December 15,
I think we should just kill the wealthy and feed them to the poor, homeless animals. Do away with money all together. They wouldn’t want to live without it anyway and you can’t take it with you.
December 15th, 2005 at 7:19 am#166
Oh, you’re fine, so that’s clearly all that matters!
Even if he’s telling the truth (which I doubt), one exemption does not dispute the reality that people cannot live on minimum wage. You can find an exemption for every rule, but it doesn’t mean we should ignore the problem.
December 15th, 2005 at 7:25 amGet a clue, get off your ass, and stop bitching about the country. We’ve been going strong for 200+ years. It won’t stop.
Comment by A real American
How about, STFU with your incessant whining and pay your taxes, whatever they are, or just get the fvck out. How about that?
December 15th, 2005 at 7:28 am#166
Oh, you’re fine, so that’s clearly all that matters!
Even if he’s telling the truth (which I doubt), one exemption does not dispute the reality that people cannot live on minimum wage. You can find an exemption for every rule, but it doesn’t mean we should ignore the problem.
Comment by unbelievable
What are you doing up so late (early?)
December 15th, 2005 at 7:32 am#104
December 15th, 2005 at 7:50 amThanks for the book recommendations. I nearly lost your post in all the “noise.”
Economist Jokes for everyone! Merry Christmas!
(some excerpts)
Gathered by actual economists, with brains and talent, from all over the world. Not the morons and political hacks who work at the right wing think tanks here and abroad, who are paid to say whatever their corporate and political masters want them to say.
An economist is a trained professional paid to guess wrong about the economy. An econometrician is a trained professional paid to use computers to guess wrong about the economy.
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December 15th, 2005 at 8:13 amTalk is cheap. Supply exceeds Demand.
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Bentley’s second Law of Economics: The only thing more dangerous than an economist is an amateur economist!
Berta’s Fundamental Law of Economic Rents.. “The only thing more dangerous than an amateur economist is a professional economist.”
A true story:
“I heard this from one of my professors. To protect him, no names will be revealed. This professor was about to get married. He went to the jewelers to get a wedding ring for his fiancee. The jeweler told him that he can have the inside of the ring engraved with the name of his fiancee for an additional $20 (remember, this was a LONG time ago). He said, “But that will reduce the resale value!” The jeweler was aghast. He said, “How can you say such a thing. You are a butcher!” “No,” replied the professor, “I am an economist”.”
told by Tapen Sinha, PhD
My fav…
Heard at the Wharton School.
Man walking along a road in the countryside comes across a shepherd and a huge flock of sheep. Tells the shepherd, “I will bet you $100 against one of your sheep that I can tell you the exact number in this flock.” The shepherd thinks it over; it’s a big flock so he takes the bet. “973,” says the man. The shepherd is astonished, because that is exactly right. Says “OK, I’m a man of my word, take an animal.” Man picks one up and begins to walk away.
“Wait,” cries the shepherd, “Let me have a chance to get even. Double or nothing that I can guess your exact occupation.” Man says sure. “You are an economist for a government think tank,” says the shepherd. “Amazing!” responds the man, “You are exactly right! But tell me, how did you deduce that?”
“Well,” says the shepherd, “put down my dog and I will tell you.”
December 15th, 2005 at 8:15 am#31 Oh, and thanks to the Republican-led Congress, Randy, so many more people will have the opportunity to go to college, right?? Just so more rich folks can get still richer.
Congress Cuts Research, Education Spending
December 15th, 2005 at 8:29 amWhat ever happened to the war on poverty that LBJ started back in the 60s.
randy dandy candy ass
Nixon, you moron.