Comments on: Congress will investigate Bush’s secret http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:52:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: RS Janes http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-326103 RS Janes Mon, 19 Dec 2005 23:49:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-326103 What could the neocons say in defense? 'Sure, Bush abused his constitutional authority, but he did it for our own good!' Sure, just like Uncle Joe Stalin. Or else -- worse -- they'll lie and claim it's legal. What could the neocons say in defense? ‘Sure, Bush abused his constitutional authority, but he did it for our own good!’ Sure, just like Uncle Joe Stalin.

Or else — worse — they’ll lie and claim it’s legal.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-317526 unbelievable Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:13:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-317526 Wow, all these polite exchanges and no neocons... guys we really should do this much more often!!! Wow, all these polite exchanges and no neocons… guys we really should do this much more often!!!

]]> By: Pablo in Mexico http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-317305 Pablo in Mexico Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:09:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-317305 Thhis will not be investigated in the senate as long as you have senators like Kyl, Brownback, Sanatarium, Lott, Sessions, Thune, et al., ruling the roost. They love their dictator. ZEIG HEIL! Thhis will not be investigated in the senate as long as you have senators like Kyl, Brownback, Sanatarium, Lott, Sessions, Thune, et al., ruling the roost.

They love their dictator.

ZEIG HEIL!

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-317136 Marie Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:06:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-317136 #34, Whew! I am glad you validated that for me -- I thought it was a joke, but usually it is easier to determine that. In this case, considering the two people involved, there was too much possible truth in it to laugh it off without question. #34, Whew!
I am glad you validated that for me — I thought it was a joke, but usually it is easier to determine that. In this case, considering the two people involved, there was too much possible truth in it to laugh it off without question.

]]> By: RS Janes http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-317102 RS Janes Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:36:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-317102 The links between the top Republicans and their manifold crimes and sleaziness is now coming to the surface. Cheney, Delay, Frist, Abramoff, Rove -- the whole bunch are interconnected and interdependent in their egregious corruption and misuse of power for personal profit. Bush himself is imbroiled in torture schemes, lying to get us into a war, likely protecting the leakers of Plame's identity (treason), and now this unconstitutional use of executive power, along with all of this, his family has been making a healthy profit from his tax cuts and defense deals. I think some Republicans might want to get rid of him before he takes down the whole party. The links between the top Republicans and their manifold crimes and sleaziness is now coming to the surface. Cheney, Delay, Frist, Abramoff, Rove — the whole bunch are interconnected and interdependent in their egregious corruption and misuse of power for personal profit.

Bush himself is imbroiled in torture schemes, lying to get us into a war, likely protecting the leakers of Plame’s identity (treason), and now this unconstitutional use of executive power, along with all of this, his family has been making a healthy profit from his tax cuts and defense deals.

I think some Republicans might want to get rid of him before he takes down the whole party.

]]> By: Armando Gomez http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316533 Armando Gomez Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:01:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316533 15-Bat Wielding Moonbat: I think I can add further to your comment by breaking it down. Here I go: After 9/11 these people went crazy and convinced themselves that the country was in such mortal, exitential danger that this theory of imperial presidential perogative was a necessity: Americans weny “crazy” because of what they been told and convinced of their invulnerability which is absent in other countries was a gift from God. It wasn’t surprising that we freaked out when God who “once giveth now took it away.” Thus we, in our impaired mental state, looked to Bush’s simple face that read “I can protect you, my dears. Just surrender all your civil rights as Americans, along with your country and your children to me and I’ll make sure you won’t have a worry in your pretty little heads. They say they are doing it to protect the citizens of this country: Bush said: “I’ll promised to get that Osama al-Laden and start a war with Iraq. Saddam likes Osama, both are out to get us. Both gotta go. Well, at least, Saddam. Osama can remained in the back burner indefinitely since he was the one who hit us. But one thing that American conservatives used to understand was that our system of government was forged by people who understood that too much power invested in one place is dangerous and that sometimes the people needed to be protected from their own government: Well, that balance was an off-and-on event in American history. It was off in the later 1940s to the early 1950s. It was on again in the 1960’s (almost when off as well). It was off again in the 1980s and went on again in the 1990s. When Bush Jr. came in it started to go off again. Where is it now? Which way the wind is blowing? That’s fundamental to our laborious process of checks and balances and a free press: That is right, except when we, Americans, choose it to toss it out to the side of the road, like we have since 2001. (Indeed, it was that principle on which they based their absolutist stand on the second amendment.) A well regulated militia (the National Guard) being necessary to security of a free State: Whether we bear arms or not, whether we still have our National Gurard (most of them are skirted to Iraq) we Americans allow ourselves to be deluded, and we paid the price in hundreds of $billions, tens of thousands in wounded, 2,100 plus dead troops, compromised our juridical, legislation, and executive branches, fatten Bush’s corported and weathty friends (or base). The second amendment or any of the amendments are in danger of disappearing. Solution: make Bush and his fat friends desappear in a federal pen. 15-Bat Wielding Moonbat: I think I can add further to your comment by breaking it down. Here I go:

After 9/11 these people went crazy and convinced themselves that the country was in such mortal, exitential danger that this theory of imperial presidential perogative was a necessity:

Americans weny “crazy” because of what they been told and convinced of their invulnerability which is absent in other countries was a gift from God. It wasn’t surprising that we freaked out when God who “once giveth now took it away.” Thus we, in our impaired mental state, looked to Bush’s simple face that read “I can protect you, my dears. Just surrender all your civil rights as Americans, along with your country and your children to me and I’ll make sure you won’t have a worry in your pretty little heads.

They say they are doing it to protect the citizens of this country:

Bush said: “I’ll promised to get that Osama al-Laden and start a war with Iraq. Saddam likes Osama, both are out to get us. Both gotta go. Well, at least, Saddam. Osama can remained in the back burner indefinitely since he was the one who hit us.

But one thing that American conservatives used to understand was that our system of government was forged by people who understood that too much power invested in one place is dangerous and that sometimes the people needed to be protected from their own government:

Well, that balance was an off-and-on event in American history. It was off in the later 1940s to the early 1950s. It was on again in the 1960’s (almost when off as well). It was off again in the 1980s and went on again in the 1990s. When Bush Jr. came in it started to go off again. Where is it now? Which way the wind is blowing?

That’s fundamental to our laborious process of checks and balances and a free press:

That is right, except when we, Americans, choose it to toss it out to the side of the road, like we have since 2001.

(Indeed, it was that principle on which they based their absolutist stand on the second amendment.)

A well regulated militia (the National Guard) being necessary to security of a free State: Whether we bear arms or not, whether we still have our National Gurard (most of them are skirted to Iraq) we Americans allow ourselves to be deluded, and we paid the price in hundreds of $billions, tens of thousands in wounded, 2,100 plus dead troops, compromised our juridical, legislation, and executive branches, fatten Bush’s corported and weathty friends (or base). The second amendment or any of the amendments are in danger of disappearing. Solution: make Bush and his fat friends desappear in a federal pen.

]]> By: Armando Gomez http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316440 Armando Gomez Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:38:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316440 Home Grown Insurgency December 15, 2005 The White House is taken aback by the House of Representatives. The article “House votes to renew Patriot Act” by Sheryl Gay Stolberg stunned the nation's control freaks that the Patriot Act must be further scrutinize for its lack of judicial oversight and safeguards against abuse. The word “insurgency” which President Bush least appreciates had occurred in the House, demanding to renew his anti-terrorism law. The House became aware that this law has given the Justice Department authorization to investigate American citizens without judicial oversight; to allow government to search individuals' private property without notifying them; to allow authorities to search citizens' financial, medical, library, and school records without judicial oversight. Many Americans wants to remain independent of Big Brother's watchful gaze and want to make sure that the Defense Dept. won’t expanded their intelligence programs, creating new agencies, and adding more "legal" authority for domestic security activities in this trumped up post-9/11 world. The Pentagon once promised Congress that after the Vietnam War it won’t spy on Americans without notifying Congress. Under the Bush administration that promise got broken real fast and easy. Home Grown Insurgency
December 15, 2005
The White House is taken aback by the House of Representatives. The article “House votes to renew Patriot Act” by Sheryl Gay Stolberg stunned the nation’s control freaks that the Patriot Act must be further scrutinize for its lack of judicial oversight and safeguards against abuse. The word “insurgency” which President Bush least appreciates had occurred in the House, demanding to renew his anti-terrorism law. The House became aware that this law has given the Justice Department authorization to investigate American citizens without judicial oversight; to allow government to search individuals’ private property without notifying them; to allow authorities to search citizens’ financial, medical, library, and school records without judicial oversight. Many Americans wants to remain independent of Big Brother’s watchful gaze and want to make sure that the Defense Dept. won’t expanded their intelligence programs, creating new agencies, and adding more “legal” authority for domestic security activities in this trumped up post-9/11 world. The Pentagon once promised Congress that after the Vietnam War it won’t spy on Americans without notifying Congress. Under the Bush administration that promise got broken real fast and easy.

]]> By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316424 WaltTheMan Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:27:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316424 #30 - #32, Sure, I saw the article. While "The Onion" is tongue in cheek, it often gets closer to the facts than most of the MSM. http://ironictimes.com/ also provides facts in prospective. #30 – #32,
Sure, I saw the article. While “The Onion” is tongue in cheek, it often gets closer to the facts than most of the MSM. http://ironictimes.com/ also provides facts in prospective.

]]> By: Rick http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316358 Rick Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:39:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316358 Bubble boy may have broken the law, but only Congress can try and convict him. With Republicans controlling both houses and the Supreme Court in firm control by conservatives who looked the other way during the 2000 Presidential elections in Florida, I have no doubt that they can rig it so that Bush will continue to be secure in his job for the next 3 years. Bubble boy may have broken the law, but only Congress can try and convict him. With Republicans controlling both houses and the Supreme Court in firm control by conservatives who looked the other way during the 2000 Presidential elections in Florida, I have no doubt that they can rig it so that Bush will continue to be secure in his job for the next 3 years.

]]> By: Susan http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316299 Susan Sat, 17 Dec 2005 05:00:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316299 Marie, I just asked Dave about <strong>The Onion.</strong> It is a joke. Its a legendary publication famous for writing fake news. Funny though. Marie, I just asked Dave about The Onion. It is a joke. Its a legendary publication famous for writing fake news.

Funny though.

]]> By: Susan http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316283 Susan Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:49:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316283 Marie #30, that is hilarious. The article is written in a serious manner though. Nothing surprises me anymore and this would explain a lot. Cheney has caused Bubble boys delusions? Wow! Marie #30, that is hilarious. The article is written in a serious manner though.

Nothing surprises me anymore and this would explain a lot.

Cheney has caused Bubble boys delusions? Wow!

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316260 Marie Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:38:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316260 #29, WTM, Did you read the article below? http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43189 Do you think it's true or a joke? #29, WTM, Did you read the article below?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43189

Do you think it’s true or a joke?

]]> By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316157 WaltTheMan Sat, 17 Dec 2005 03:32:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316157 The Constitution states that if the President is incapacitated, the Vice President shall assume the office. This is the reason that Cheney has taken over the responsibilities of the President since January 21, 2001. Moving into the Oval Office itself is merely a technicality. The Constitution states that if the President is incapacitated, the Vice President shall assume the office. This is the reason that Cheney has taken over the responsibilities of the President since January 21, 2001. Moving into the Oval Office itself is merely a technicality.

]]> By: TAC http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316090 TAC Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:48:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316090 IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316065 Marie Sat, 17 Dec 2005 02:35:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316065 This is another reason to call for the impeachment of Bush. This is a federal offense. Add this to his high crime of pre-emptive war. This is another reason to call for the impeachment of Bush. This is a federal offense. Add this to his high crime of pre-emptive war.

]]> By: Dana http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-316000 Dana Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:51:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-316000 Not to worry. The White House will figure out a way to shut down any investigation as long as the RepubliCons are in the majority. Not to worry. The White House will figure out a way to shut down any investigation as long as the RepubliCons are in the majority.

]]> By: michael http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-315989 michael Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:45:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-315989 What will it take for the blinded right to agree that this administration is a complete disaster? What will it take for the blinded right to agree that this administration is a complete disaster?

]]> By: RS Janes http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-315968 RS Janes Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:29:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-315968 This is not going to sit well with many old-line Goldwater conservatives who have kept their mouths shut up to now. I think this will be the straw that breaks the Bush camel's back -- authorizing illegal wiretapping and surveillance of American citizens is very much against the law, and definitely impeachable -- it's a violation of the Constitution Bush took an oath to uphold. I tend to be as cynical as Punchy when talking about impeachment, but it's all coming thick and fast now, and Bush is gradually being held accountable. This is not going to sit well with many old-line Goldwater conservatives who have kept their mouths shut up to now. I think this will be the straw that breaks the Bush camel’s back — authorizing illegal wiretapping and surveillance of American citizens is very much against the law, and definitely impeachable — it’s a violation of the Constitution Bush took an oath to uphold. I tend to be as cynical as Punchy when talking about impeachment, but it’s all coming thick and fast now, and Bush is gradually being held accountable.

]]> By: Busted http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-315941 Busted Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:16:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-315941 Congress will investigate Bush’s secret? Which one? There are so many to investigate. Where to begin... Congress will investigate Bush’s secret? Which one? There are so many to investigate. Where to begin…

]]> By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/comment-page-1/#comment-315926 WaltTheMan Sat, 17 Dec 2005 01:04:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/16/congress-to-probe-bushs-secret-domestic-surveillance-program/#comment-315926 The trolls are under the bridge contemplating thin ice. The trolls are under the bridge contemplating thin ice.

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