Scottie in Denial: White House Still Clinging to “Same Intelligence” Myth
Scottie in Denial: White House Still Clinging to “Same Intelligence” Myth
Yesterday, the final nail was placed in the coffin of the White House myth that Congress saw the same prewar intelligence as President Bush. A Congressional Research Service report found that the Bush administration had access “to a far greater overall volume of intelligence and to more sensitive intelligence information, including information regarding intelligence sources and methods.”
But today, when asked about the CRS report, Scott McClellan pushed the same spin on “same intelligence”:
MCCLELLAN: We provide the Congress a lot of intelligence information, and they did have access to the same intelligence that we saw prior to making the decision to go into Iraq.
In fact, even the White House admits this isn’t true. As McClellan went on to acknowledge a moment later, Congress did not have access to the Presidential Daily Briefs (the intel summaries President Bush receives each morning). The White House says this fact is irrelevant, however, because those briefs were found to be even “more alarmist” and “less nuanced” than the intelligence Congress had:
MCCLELLAN: I saw there’s a reference to the Presidential Daily Brief, where the Silberman-Robb commission already addressed that issue and said that, if anything, that the Presidential Daily Brief was less nuanced than the intelligence that members of Congress saw and that we saw as well.
McClellan is ignoring the elephant in the room: the CRS report states that the discrepancies in intelligence access went far beyond the PDBs, and included “the identities of intelligence sources,” the “methods” used to gather and analyze intelligence, and the “raw” intelligence. Congress never had access to any of this information.
Poor Scottie, clinging to the “same intelligence” myth like a security blanket. Let it go, Scottie. You’ll be okay.
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December 16th, 2005 at 9:19 pmMcClellan’s words and the words of all White House people must be listened to carefully – for what they do not say.
December 16th, 2005 at 9:31 pmScottie says Congress had access to the same intelligence — that’s true. Except that the White House had access to more intelligence,different and contradictory, to what Congress was given. In addition to the TP note above, the intelligence was not allowed to be copied, nor was it to leave the building. Ninety pages had to be read under security within a ten-day period.
I wondered where Porky Pig was. Scotty is still on the edge, losing it as usual.
Scotty, if you don’t have anything groundbreaking to give us, then resign and spare yourself the embarrassment you’ve given yourself.
R.I.P.
JOHN SPENCER
December 16th, 2005 at 9:40 pm1946-2005
How does McClellan live with himself?
December 16th, 2005 at 9:48 pmThe fact is that the Democrat Senate Leaders got a lot of the same vital information that was used to support the War.
December 16th, 2005 at 9:52 pm#2–”same intelligence” in this context implies inclusiveness of all intelligence. Which is not the case. If he’d said “the WH had the same intelligence as Congress”, it’d be true. But the reverse is most assuredly not. Several items the WH held were NOT available to Congress.
But then, the truth never mattered to the Admin. I’m waiting for Scooter Mac to tell us early next week that the sun does indeed rise in the West, and when called on it, will then call the press corps “unpatriotic” and say the evidence of the sun’s rising is, indeed, confidential.
December 16th, 2005 at 9:53 pmI wonder what Scottie’s salary is because it must be a lot more than the price of his soul.
December 16th, 2005 at 10:07 pm#6, we are in agreement — my phrasing could have been better.
December 16th, 2005 at 10:09 pmScotties right, w has access to much less intelligence than Congress. After all, he has a sub 90’s IQ fueled by alcoholic dementia.
December 16th, 2005 at 10:10 pmPoor, poor, bewildered Scottie! Wow…he gets no RESPECT !!! David Gregory and Helen Thomas goad and embarrass him constantly in the daily briefings…just trying to get a “straight” answer from him…Scooter and Turdblossom apparently LIED to him about the Plame outing…and he’s forever out there on the podium imparting information that everyone (including WH staffers) knows ain’t so….just gotta’ hope he’s making really, really big bucks to stand up there with his oh-so-serious dazed look, spewing garbled babble and pure B.S.!
December 16th, 2005 at 10:10 pmOn any given Day
November 6, 2005
The article “2002 report to Bush team discredited Iraq source†by Douglas Jehl seems to be suffering from JMS (Judith Miller Syndrome). Is this article a cover up? Let’s see. The Intelligence Report of February 2002 claim that a captured al-Qaida member, Idn al-Shaykh al-Libi, an expert on biological and chemical weapon, have mislead U.S. intelligence into believing that Iraq had WMDs, thus encouraging President Bush into invading Iraq in 2003. There just one factor that Mr. Jehl left out: the information provided by Libi wasn’t ask of him or cajoled. It was wrung out through torture. It was this information that became the centerpiece of the Bush administration’s claim that Saddam and bin Laden had formed a collaborative relationship, asserting that “Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists.” The intelligence community knew prior to the Iraq war that this needed information brought about through torture the prisoner will say anything what the interrogators wanted to hear. Thus the Defense Intelligence Agency warned President Bush that this information was deemed extremely dubious. Of course since the DIA’s intelligence about Libi’s confession proved counter-productive to the president, Bush gladly accepted the ready-made lies from the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans, Douglas Feith and Chalabi’s spider hole. And as a result the single-minded Bush administration swallows Libi’s desperate lies hook, line, and sinker.
December 16th, 2005 at 10:12 pmscottie never had a soul to sell. does not mean he would not sell the rest of himself to the highest bidder. at any rate, they are all losers in that administration. sorry fact is they have made all of us Americans even bigger losers.
December 16th, 2005 at 10:31 pmIssue 12 of Volume 34 of Thinkprogress Reports What The Whitehouse Official Spin Appointee Scott McClellan Says Like It Means Something.
Why don’t you write 700 letters to Bill O’Reilly asking him if he thinks Santa Claus is real. After all, there’s no such thing as wasting too much time asking questions you already know the answer to right ?
And the reporters doing this rather than asking questions which could make a difference are actually commended here for their efforts. Much as they did in 2003.
So when Fox News puts two foreign and undeserving words like “Fair” and “balanced” together to describe themselves that’s the hieght of hypocrisy.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:00 pmYet here you are using the words “Think” and “Progress” in exactly the same way.
Intel had nothing to do with the decision to got to Iraq.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:12 pmI’m worried that the president and his inner circle have become clinically psychotic. They don’t seem to exist in the same state of reality as the rest of us.
When confronted with proof of their earlier lying they don’t react, just blandly repeat the discredited lie. Their supporters suffer the same paranoid thought process and continue parroting the White House’s talking points in a loud chorus of “I’m not here, this isn’t happening” from the Right.
And yet, it IS there for all to see. The Senate’s own bipartisan panel, and indeed the White House staff themselves, cannot deny the plethora of classified intelligence the president and his inner circle have access to which is unavailable to members of the House and Senate. It cannot be refuted.
And yet they refute it.
I’m serious, folks, this sends a chill down my spine. When human beings behave this way they have broken from reality and can be exceptionally dangerous.
Especially when cornered or threatened.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:12 pmOnly someone who just doesn’t give a damn can keep doing what Scott is doing. He goes home, has a few beers, watches a good porn, wakes up and does it again. What’s the problem? It’s easy money! He probably only works an hour a day! Jerkwad.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:15 pmThink McClellan realizes that if he slips the least little bit that the motherf%$#*^s on the hard right will castrate him in full view of the country?
December 16th, 2005 at 11:23 pmDid anyone watch Scotty today during the briefing? To me it seemed that he was way too relaxed for the amount of stuff happening just now with this administration, like his thinking was turned way down and was just repeating memorized talking points. Of course I could be wrong.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:27 pmGun Toting Liberal, I’ve always wanted to read a medical doctor’s evaluation of Bush and his administration. I agree with your concern, they all need some serious therapy. Don’t you find it remarkable that tens of millions of people still support him regardless of the damage to this country. Now that’s f’d up.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:28 pmScotty is still clinging to the “same intelligence myth”. The myth that he has the same intelligence as a normal human being when in fact a bag of sledge hammers is far more intelligent than he is.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:38 pmI agree with GTL in post 15. The old farts(Rummy and the Dick) may be senile or victims of Alzheimer’s’ and W lost it to drugs, booze and substandard intelligence(Inherited as he is a son of a Barbara). Perhaps, he even had an unpublicized lobotomy.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:38 pmOpie, there are tens of millions of Americans that are mental. About one third of Americans are mental.
We can’t all be sane and rational.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:41 pmThe fact is that the Democrat Senate Leaders got a lot of the same vital information that was used to support the War.
Comment by Gary Ruppert
The myth is that Gary Ruptured is as intelligent as a bag of sledge hammers. The fact is he still thinks that Valerie and Joe wilson will be indicted soon.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:42 pmUnfortunately Gary Ruptured deleted his blogspot blog Ruppertia with all 5000 predictions of the impending indictments of the Wilsons. Now that was funny. Then Libby was indicted. Some people are just too stupid to live.
December 16th, 2005 at 11:45 pmOh my God. Gary Poop-squirt is back from his training seminars in Idaho with the Hitler Militia.
Welcome back Gary.
Now back to Scottie McDouchebag. The guy obviously has no conscience or soul whatsover and he doesn’t speak for this American.
-GSD
December 16th, 2005 at 11:46 pmOh yeah, when was the indictment against Joe and Valerie Wilson coming down again?
-GSD
December 16th, 2005 at 11:48 pmGood question GSD. Do you have a total on the republican indictments? We need a list of those indicted and those being investigated.
TP, could you please compile a list of republican criminals for us? We’d appreciate it.
December 17th, 2005 at 12:03 am@ toys — December 16, 2005 @ 11:27 pm
Did anyone watch Scotty today during the briefing? To me it seemed that he was way too relaxed for the amount of stuff happening just now with this administration, like his thinking was turned way down and was just repeating memorized talking points. Of course I could be wrong.
Or you could be right and unlike the rest of the people commenting here you may be over the age of 7 and realise that PR spokespeople are paid to say things that are scripted for them.
December 17th, 2005 at 12:04 am#27: “TP, could you please compile a list of republican criminals for us? We’d appreciate it.”
You mean all of them! Why leave any out?
December 17th, 2005 at 12:11 amGlad to watch it all implode…
Strike my last comment. To me it seems the entire administration is way too relaxed for the amount of stuff happening just now, like their thinking is turned way down and they are just repeating memorized talking points. Of course I could be wrong.
December 17th, 2005 at 12:39 amPlease, at least get the man’s name right. It’s Scotty McClueless.
December 17th, 2005 at 1:34 amCongress:
Duke Cunningham(R-CA) Resigned after multiple charges of graft, bribery and corruption.
Former Congressman Bill Janklow(R-SD) Convicted and jailed for killing a man with his car after blowing through a stopsign at a high rate of speed.
Governors:
John Rowland(R-CT)Convicted and jailed for graft, had work done on his house and some other bribe related charges.
George Ryan(R-IL) Under indictment for hiring practices.(I notice you had Blagojevich–this one must have slipped your mind)
Executive:
Lewis Libby(R)-Assistant to the Vice President, 5 count indictment, perjury, false statements.
Karl Rove(R)-Assistant to the President, currently under investigation.
Larry Franklin(R)-DOD employee, pleaded guilty in espionage case.
Leandro Aragoncillo-46, was a U.S. Marine most recently assigned to the staff of Vice President Dick Cheney, arrested for spying in the Whitehouse.
Kenneth Tomlinson(R)-Former Head of CPB, under investigation.
Armstrong Williams(R)-Investigation revealed that payments to him for propaganda efforts were illegal.
Etcetera:
New Hampshire-4 Republican operatives arrested for election 2002 phone jamming scandal. # have pleaded guilty, one is due for trial soon.
Republican Kentucky Governor Ernie Fletcher, 9 staff members indicted.
Republican Governor of Ohio, Bob Taft indicted on 4 driminal misdemeanor counts relating to gifts and disclosure.
Jeff Gannon/James Guckert-Gay internet prostitute allowed into press gaggles and repeatedly logged into the Whitehouse.
Armstrong Williams and Maggie Gallagher involved in illegal propaganda efforts by the Whitehouse
December 17th, 2005 at 1:34 amSusan:
Wayne Madsen keeps a running breakdown of GOP scandals at http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/gopscorecard.htm
December 17th, 2005 at 2:54 amRyan Neat — December 17, 2005 @ 1:40 am
He feels the constitution is ‘just a piece of paper’? Sounds like grounds for impeachment to me.
Either that or when CapitolHillBlue continually comes up with outrageous direct quotes from Bush nobody else does you should probably figure out they make as good a case for impeachment of Bush as The Onion made for Clinton.
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“A wise man needs only half a word to comprehend.”
(or something to that effect,loose)
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December 17th, 2005 at 5:55 am‘Bob’:
I couldn’t have said it better myself (unless I was hopped to the gills on industrial cleaning agents, of course).
Thanks.
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December 17th, 2005 at 6:08 amThink I DONT?
Basters, I GOT YOUR GERMAN VRIL LIGHT
Greco Roman BULLCRAP Saturnian Half Word
Dribble Drewl Platoniian
ASSes Nailed to the Fecking Wall.
Either tew Realize it?
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December 17th, 2005 at 6:13 amBob
Is that Haiku ………. ?
December 17th, 2005 at 9:05 amSounds more like seppuku.
December 17th, 2005 at 9:53 amWhite House Peddling the Old Lie About Iraq Intel
I love ThinkProgress.org, they have the time, money and staff to put together some great posts…
Lastly, I have become a fan of watching the White House Press Secretary, Scott McClellan, get his butt torn open by the media, main reason, he refuses…
December 17th, 2005 at 10:09 amSCOTT McCLELLAN! SHAME ON YOU! IS THIS HOW YOUR MOTHER RAISED YOU?! WHAT VALUES DID TEXAS STATE COMPTROLLER CAROL KEETON STRAYHORN, YOUR MOTHER, IMPART TO YOU?! IF, AS IT MAY SEEM, YOU’VE BEEN LIED TO, THEN THE STANDUP THING TO DO, IS TO CALL THE LIARS OUT. DON’T FORGET WHAT EVERY GOOD BOY LEARNS AT AN EARLY AGE, “GOD HAS HUGE EYES AND HE CAN SEE EVERYTHING. IF YOU’RE GOOD, YOU’LL GO TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE. BUT IF YOU’RE BAD, YOU’LL DIE WHEN YOU DIE!”.
December 17th, 2005 at 10:36 amThe SAME INTEL can be in different DOCUMENTS, you morons. LOL
The consensus view, even before Bush was president, was that Iraq was a threat, had WMD, and supported terrorists. All your spin won’t change those facts.
December 17th, 2005 at 10:54 amSusan, re: #27 –
http://www.noagenda.org
December 17th, 2005 at 10:55 amAh, Scottie’s just a chichuahua nipping at the ankles of those who would denounce his demented master. yip, yip, yip…
December 17th, 2005 at 12:10 pmExcept that the White House had access to more intelligence,different and contradictory, to what Congress was given.
Comment by Marie
Nonsense. I’ve seen no list of evidence that could be deemed contradictory to what congress was allowed to see. Please note the word allowed. With all the leaks that emanate from the Filthy Left side of the isle and the contrarians to treasonous nature of the leakers they are lucky to have been given anything. That’s a sad state of affairs when you can’t trust national security to 50% of the elected officials. But that’s the way it is and the fact was writ large by Clinton when he sold us out to the Red Chinese for a few hundred thousand in illegal campaign contributions.
I think we need to take the entire Democratic Party and throw the lot in prison working our way down through the scum of Liberal bureaucrats and self styled Marxists in the media and academia. Only then we’ll be safe.
December 17th, 2005 at 12:24 pm#49 IRI
You really should move to a different country. Not only do you not understand that we live with the Constitution as our guideline, but you vehemently oppose everything it stands for. You have the freedom to leave and find a suitable dictatorship that would welcome your hate and bigotry. Who knows, you might even get your own holiday or something…
December 17th, 2005 at 12:45 pm#50, unbelievable,
You really should move to a different country. Not only do you not understand that we live with the Constitution as our guideline, but you vehemently oppose everything it stands for. You have the freedom to leave and find a suitable dictatorship that would welcome your hate and bigotry.
December 17th, 2005 at 12:50 pm#51
wwwwwingnut, thanks for validating my post to you in the Bush Radio Address thread that you cannot think or speak for yourself.
December 17th, 2005 at 1:15 pm#51, wwallace,
You really should move to a different country. Not only do you not understand that we live with the Constitution as our guideline, but you vehemently oppose everything it stands for. You have the freedom to leave and find a suitable dictatorship that would welcome your hate and bigotry.
December 17th, 2005 at 1:22 pm#49, You’re mistaken.
December 17th, 2005 at 1:23 pmPerhaps Fox News or Limbaugh does not report it, but it’s pretty well understood that the president does indeed have access to intelligence far exceeding that which congress is allowed to see. Why wouldn’t he?
So, it is not nonsense — it is fact. Check it out. Write your congressman and ask.
You make a huge error when you take what Limbaugh and Fox say as factual — just review what O’Reilly and Hannity have said in the past week. Just review what Limbaugh has said in the same period. They are not sources for information, they are sources for propaganda–don’t believe them.
What I say about the President and intelligence is a fact.
“I think we need to take the entire Democratic Party and throw the lot in prison working our way down through the scum of Liberal bureaucrats and self styled Marxists in the media and academia. Only then we’ll be safe.”MizzWrong
Actually your Republican friends are doing a fine job of throwing themselves in prison (clearly where the clinically insane and dangerous like you also belong). What are we up to, some 60 republicans under some form of investigation?
As for academia, I could understand how a stupid rube like you could be threatened by those who are actually educated. I know I scare the pants off of you, and your little pansy friends :()
December 17th, 2005 at 1:24 pm“Nonsense. I’ve seen no list of evidence that could be deemed contradictory to what congress was allowed to see. Please note the word allowed.” MizzWrong
I’ll give you a short one.
1) They didn’t have the briefing sheets that showed the only person who ‘tied’ al qaeda to Iraq had been tortured to obtain that information.
2) They didn’t receive the ‘caveats’ from the intelligence personnel that disagreed with the ‘mobile weapons’ assessments.
3) They didn’t receive the ‘caveats’ from the intelligence personnel that disagreed with the ’state’ of the WMD machine.
In otherwords, all they received was the ‘final briefing’, and none of the intelligence or intelligence assessment to disagree with it.
The fact you’re too retarded to know, read or determine this is without question. But your ignorance doesn’t change the fact, it just makes you look stupid as always there rube…
December 17th, 2005 at 1:27 pm#51
Why leave when we can get a hate-filled and bigoted party in power that pursues the impossible dream of a utopian world controlled by Republican capitalists?
December 17th, 2005 at 1:33 pm#57
Yeah really, because, clearly this is so much better than what Jefferson, Paine and Franklin had in mind… :)
December 17th, 2005 at 1:36 pm#57,
They aren’t really capitalists, they’re ‘fascist corporatists’. A capitalist believes in a free and level playing field, whereas a fascist (eg. a republican) actually believes in using government for corporate welfare and to de-level the field. It’s why they give so many special industry taxbreaks that only affect the large companies that contribute to them, but adversely affect entrepreneurs and those who actually believe in capitalism.
As much as they claim all sorts of odd things, the truth is that:
December 17th, 2005 at 1:36 pmrepublicanism=anti-capitalism=fascism.
Marie, do you have an example of some information the president had that the Democrats in Congress did not have?
The Democrats said Iraq was a threat. The Democrats said Iraq had WMD. The Democrats said Iraq was a supporter of terrorist groups. If they didn’t have a enough information to make that case, then why did they say they did? Why did Clinton sign the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998? Becasue Bush lied to him back then? ROFL
December 17th, 2005 at 1:52 pmI predict Ryan will continue to call names and offer no substance. :()
December 17th, 2005 at 1:52 pmMR. RYAN NEAT: THIS IS FOR YOU AND ONLY YOU (I ORIGINALLY SENT IT TO MY FAVORITE RADIO HOST):
Mr. Ward,
My name is Armando Gomez, an ardent listener to your nightly radio spot. Right now I’m putting together this email for you as I’m listening to your program, and I may have the answer to the confusing question why Americans are voting against their own self interests. And the basic answer is that their (White America) sense of history and self-worth has come into question. To them this is unacceptable—at any and all cost; which is what’s happening at this moment. Realistically, all this began to manifest when Ronald Reagan was elected as president. But in all honestly, I believe it really started with the Vietnam War and its shocking and unacceptable conclusion: we lost. And it wasn’t just the war we lost—we also lost our president, Richard Nixon. This sent a shock wave, border to border and coast to coast of White America. This proved that the war was a phony and President Nixon a liar. This forced Americans to question the very core of their moral foundation and their sense of purpose—their purpose of self-righteous, which they believe is their destiny and guided by the Light from above. All this imploded when Nixon tanked. But within a couple of years a new and up coming Right Wing movement (the neo-conservatives) went to work, scoring one victory after another in their religious sectors, in their communities. And I believe all this was spearheaded by the Heritage Foundation. The Foundation’s tactics: Accuse the liberals of anti-family, anti-God, anti-America, anti-mother, anti-marriage, anti-fetus and in short: anti-liberal all around. With the help of the “liberal†media they made the word liberal an expletive (remember the “L†word?). And all this was funded by the multi-right wing millionaires and corporations. And I believe you know who and what they are. What this movement accomplishes was to exonerate America of its failures, and blame “The Fall†on the dirty, rotten, and back-stabbing liberals. And these Americans went for it, hook, line, and sinker. They had no choice: To accept otherwise, they would have to question their entire “white†history. Without this history—or myth—they will have to accept a more realistic one—according to Ward Churchill. White Americans found that to be totally unacceptable. And for these Americans they are ready to accept any politician, any judge, and any president—any lie—that’ll tell them what they want to hear, especially when Jesus Christ is now considered as part of their American history. That’s why they are more than ready to believe such phonies as Reagan, the first Bush, and this latest disgrace, Bush, Jr. But with the present Americans, it gets worse: they are willing to sacrifice their children’s and their grandchildren’s future, just so they can either be swept up by the Rapture in time or die in their sleep; the complete misery of others had become their sinful and foremost pleasure. Mr. Ward, to me these are the worst and the most rotten cowards any nation unfortunately is straddled with; stinking vermin who aren’t fit to be scurrying about. Their malicious intentions toward Social Security, Medicare, pensions, childcare, the Iraq War and the support for the bankruptcy bill are but short examples of how far these Americans have sunk. The talk I hear is that these Americans are the dumbest pile of rocks on the planet. Wrong: It’s worse. Sept. 11 and the Iraq War only provide further excuses for these self-proclaimed “patriots†to stab their fellow neighbors in the back by trying to dismantle our civil rights—and are the first to turn against our war heroes like John McCain and Max Cleland in a second; a knife behind the door. To them, this further justifies the degradation to our veterans, the hacking away at their medical and financial benefits while allowing fantastic tax breaks go to the rich and corporate America who wouldn’t lift a finger to help our veterans or our nation. So, for these pro-veteran and pro-morality Americans to believe in this new White Direction, provided by the ultra-extreme Republicans, it all proves that they have gone soft between the ears and soft between the legs. In short, STARK, RAVING PSYHOCITICS, not stupid. It’s important to understand this. This is the very core why they can’t or won’t be reached. For any animal can be “educated†—even a flatworm. And that is the answer why these Americans are voting against their own self-interest as they are steering yours, mine, and theirs—and our country—into the toilet.
Armando Gomez
December 17th, 2005 at 2:06 pmApril 23, 2005 12: 50 am
I’ll give you a short one.
1) They didn’t have the briefing sheets that showed the only person who ‘tied’ al qaeda to Iraq had been tortured to obtain that information.
What’s your point? Any idiot would make a connection between one Muslim hater of America with another. Hard evidence to tie Saddam to any al quada “operation” would require and inside man. Your buddy Clinton made sure we didn’t have the assets in place and Gorlick made sure any info that might be useful wasn’t shared between the intelligence services.
2) They didn’t receive the ‘caveats’ from the intelligence personnel that disagreed with the ‘mobile weapons’ assessments.
3) They didn’t receive the ‘caveats’ from the intelligence personnel that disagreed with the ’state’ of the WMD machine.
In otherwords, all they received was the ‘final briefing’, and none of the intelligence or intelligence assessment to disagree with it.
Your short list is meaningless in light of the information they did have and the mandate of the American people and Saddam’s refusal to cooperate after years of trying.
The fact you’re too retarded to know, read or determine this is without question. But your ignorance doesn’t change the fact, it just makes you look stupid as always there rube…
Comment by Ryan Neat
The truth of the matter is NOTHING would have satisfied the Filthy Left. That’s why we ignore you.
December 17th, 2005 at 2:15 pm#63
The truth of the matter is NOTHING would have satisfied the Filthy Left. That’s why we ignore you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 17, 2005 @ 2:15 pm
Oh, so that’s what you’re doing here at Think Progress – ignoring us! Thanks for that clarification.
December 17th, 2005 at 2:17 pmeven a flatworm. And that is the answer why these Americans are voting against their own self-interest as they are steering yours, mine, and theirs—and our country—into the toilet.
Armando Gomez
April 23, 2005 12: 50 am
Comment by Armando Gomez
Stupid Mexican
December 17th, 2005 at 2:17 pmOh, so that’s what you’re doing here at Think Progress – ignoring us! Thanks for that clarification.
Comment by unbelievable
I’m not ignoring you, that’s for sure. You like like me don’tcha?
December 17th, 2005 at 2:19 pmgotta go Sugar.
December 17th, 2005 at 2:21 pmHit a nerve, huh, I-RIGHT-I? This “Mexican” says “MORE POWER TO RYAN NEAT!!!”
December 17th, 2005 at 2:23 pm#66
I’m not ignoring you, that’s for sure.
That’s because you found out that I have breasts.
You like like me don’tcha?
No.
December 17th, 2005 at 2:26 pm#68
Armando,
Take it as a compliment that he couldn’t find one single point in your entire email to bash. It was well written and coherent, based in facts and the reality of our political situation. I enjoyed it.
And if you are from Mexico, he’s just jealous that you have a far better command of the English language, and the American political system than he does.
December 17th, 2005 at 2:28 pmDear Unbelievable
I appreciate the compliment and I’m homegrown, US of A. And as for I-RIGHT-I and his ilk they are hopelessly lost in their fear of losing their free “preeminence,” given to them by their pro-white propagandists by the likes of FOX News.
December 17th, 2005 at 2:40 pm“gotta go Sugar.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I ”
And he wonders how everyone knows he’s a closeted gay man :()
December 17th, 2005 at 2:57 pm“What’s your point? Any idiot would make a connection between one Muslim hater of America with another. Hard evidence to tie Saddam to any al quada “operation†would require and inside man. ” MizzWrong
You made the point ‘any idiot’, is the correct answer. A smart person would realize that Iraq was a secular government, and that he was distrustful of islamists. But since you’re an ‘idiot’ like the rest of the NeoCons, logic and rational arguments make no sense to you.
As for the inside man, didn’t you read the 9/11 commission report? That’s EXACTLY who they had, and they tortured him for the false answers…
“Your buddy Clinton made sure we didn’t have the assets in place”
The CIA was run by a republican… No dice loser. And it was CHENEY who cut their budgets… Once again, you’re a retarded loser!
“and Gorlick made sure any info that might be useful wasn’t shared between the intelligence services.”
Not true, this has already been debunked by the 9/11 commission… Were you always this stupid, or did you just go insane when your wife left you for another man? Or did she leave you for another woman who was more ‘masculine’ than you? It would explain a lot!
“Your short list is meaningless in light of the information they did have and the mandate of the American people and Saddam’s refusal to cooperate after years of trying.”
Meaningless? Bahaha, that’s psychotic. It’s completely meaningful, because without those intelligence lies, americans wouldn’t have believe the 9/11 connection, and the mandate wouldn’t have existed (just as it does not exist now despite the continued lies of the Corporate Press). Iraq was about israel, the rapture, oil, and the psychotic need of a man to ‘one up’ his father. Iraq is a boiling fester of lies, misdeeds and misrepresentation from day one.
“The truth of the matter is NOTHING would have satisfied the Filthy Left. That’s why we ignore you.”
If you ignored us, you wouldn’t be here. Your entire response is contradictory. You don’t ‘ignore’ us, you fear us because we’re better, smarter, more moral and better human beings you are. We shame you, and you hate us for it!
The truth of the matter is Filthy Right has no morals, no values, no responsiblity, no belief in america, no belief in the constitution, and no sense of decency. That’s why in the end you will stop yourself through your own failures – it always happens with the reichwingers :()
December 17th, 2005 at 3:07 pmI’m sure the funders of ThinkProgress appreciate Armando Gomez posting his racist diatribes on their website.
December 17th, 2005 at 3:53 pmwwallace posts racist diatribes because he can’t stand the truth :()
December 17th, 2005 at 4:21 pmI predict wwallace will continue to call names and offer no substance. :()
December 17th, 2005 at 4:23 pmThe Democrats contained the Iraq threat. The Democrats stripped Iraq of its WMD. The Democrats said Iraq was a supporter of palestinians, which republicans and NeoCon Zionists consider terrorists.
Since republicans didn’t have enough information to make the case for war because of all of the successes of Clinton, they ‘fixed’ the intelligence and didn’t share the real information.
republicans lied, because they can’t stand the truth :()
December 17th, 2005 at 4:25 pmI’d like to know why so many of Bush’s cronies are such porkers… It’s really ironic that Rove and others look exactly like what they really are, fat, white pigs.
December 17th, 2005 at 4:51 pmLavender, your petty insults contain no substance, and violate the site Terms of Use.
December 17th, 2005 at 4:59 pmwwwwallace, what do you do follow Ryan from thread to thread? Are you his groupie? Hoping to one day become as wise as he is? Yeah, good luck with that!
December 17th, 2005 at 5:12 pmI appreciate the compliment and I’m homegrown, US of A. And as for I-RIGHT-I and his ilk they are hopelessly lost in their fear of losing their free “preeminence,†given to them by their pro-white propagandists by the likes of FOX News.
Comment by Armando Gomez
Guys like you mow my yard. When are you going to learn how to form a complete sentence and a paragraph? Did you miss school that day. I’d make you look like the idiot you are but that one great big run on sentence abbreviated by a dot here and there gives me a headache. But whatever. As soon as we make all you children born of Illegals illegal you’ll be out of here anyway.
December 17th, 2005 at 7:04 pm“Guys like you mow my yard.”MizzWrong
So what you’re saying is that you’re too fat, stupid and lazy to mow your own lawn? We all knew that…
” When are you going to learn how to form a complete sentence and a paragraph? Did you miss school that day.”
Your posting here is very ironic, because that last sentence was an ‘incompete’ sentence. Clearly Armando’s command of the language is better than yours, so you should go over and mow his lawn.
“I’d make you look like the idiot you are but that one great big run on sentence abbreviated by a dot here and there gives me a headache. ”
Unless you stand behind Armando in the mirror so that he mistook you for himself, it’s unlikely you could accomplish this goal :()
“But whatever. ”
Do you remember that statement you made about ‘incomplete sentences’? Well this is another example where your hypocrisy, ignorance and stupidity shows :()
“As soon as we make all you children born of Illegals illegal you’ll be out of here anyway.”
As soon as we make the fascist traitors and evangelical nutjobs committed, you’ll be outta here whacko :()
December 17th, 2005 at 9:44 pmTo I-Right-I: I’m game: I’m mow your lawn. It’ll be the biggest Peace Sign you’ll ever see on a lawn, positively to brighten you morning with a headache.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:11 amTo I-Right-I: Excuse the typo: It’s “I’ll mow your lawn” not “I’m mow you lawn.” Silly, no way I could be a lawn. Now that I’m here your reference to my being a “stupid Mexican†is seriously misplaced. Latino would have been more preferable. You don’t an idea if I’m from Mexico—or Central America—or South America—or Spain—or oh well, you know what I mean. Be clear before you put anything into the blog
your new friendly neighborhood headache, Armando.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:35 amNow that I’m here your reference to my being a “stupid Mexican†is seriously misplaced. Latino would have been more preferable.
Comment by Armando “MEChA Beaner” Gomez
Fine, have it your way, you’re a stupid Latino. By the way, a Spaniard would never consent to be called a Latino any more than an Italian would.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:42 pmTo I-Right-I: Now that we’re on the right page, I-Right-I, I’m convinced that I could not be an otherwise a “stupid Latino†in your self-constructive astro plane, any more then you being an intellectually challenged flatworm, as mention in my epic email. We should get along just fine.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:30 pmDoes anyone think the Bush administration purposely ignored the PDB warning that bin Laden is planning a terrorist attack on American soil, in order to be provided the excuse to invade Iraq? It’s been in my mind for about a year. Seeing that there are no lengths to which this “administration” will go to further their agenda, they might have thought the attack would be similar to the first attack on the WTC where the damage was minimal. I don’t think they thought of the horrific attack that was conducted and decided to let it happen. I think they thought it would be on a smaller scale, but they could use it as an excuse to invade Iraq.
I don’t think I’m a crazy conspiracy person. Heck, all the things they’ve done so far, I’m not surprised about. This wouldn’t be that far from reality considering what they have done, and are doing now.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:40 pmI don’t think I’m a crazy conspiracy person.
Comment by CalGal
I don’t think so either. I think you’re just a stupid twit.
December 19th, 2005 at 4:53 pm#88
I don’t think so either. I think you’re just a stupid twit.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 19, 2005 @ 4:53 pm
Like that carries any weight around here ? :)
December 19th, 2005 at 5:31 pmLike that carries any weight around here ? :)
Comment by unbelievable
Wouldn’t claim otherwise Sugarpants. A sure way to get rid of me would be if the Jr. High quislings and rabid anti-Americans around here started to agree with me. It suits me just fine that a number of you losers think Bush orchestrated 9-11 so he could get Iraqi oil.
December 20th, 2005 at 9:17 amWe should get along just fine.
Comment by Armando Gomez
December 20th, 2005 at 9:44 amSuits me as long as you edge and trim before you mow.
wwwwallace, what do you do follow Ryan from thread to thread? Are you his groupie? Hoping to one day become as wise as he is? Yeah, good luck with that!
Comment by unbelievable
Now that’s depressing. How stupid do you have to be to think Ryan “FMFB” Neat is wise? Dear Lord girl you must be in one hell of a depressed condition to equate anything that troll says with wisdom. But I have the cure for you…just forward a picture and a recent medical STD exam.
Semen acts as an anti-depressant
Exclusive from New Scientist
Semen makes you happy. That’s the remarkable conclusion of a study comparing women whose partners wear condoms with those whose partners don’t.
The study, which is bound to provoke controversy, showed that the women who were directly exposed to semen were less depressed. The researchers think this is because mood-altering hormones in semen are absorbed through the vagina. They say they have ruled out other explanations.
“I want to make it clear that we are not advocating that people abstain from using condoms,” says Gordon Gallup, the psychologist at the State University of New York who led the team. “Clearly an unwanted pregnancy or a sexually transmitted disease would more than offset any advantageous psychological effects of semen.”
Suicide attempts
His team divided 293 female students into groups depending on how often their partners wore condoms, and assessed their happiness using the Beck Depression Inventory, a standard questionnaire for assessing mood. People who score over 17 are considered moderately depressed.
The team found that women whose partners never used condoms scored 8 on average, those who sometimes used them scored 10.5, those who usually used them scored 15 and those who always used them scored 11.3. Women who weren’t having sex at all scored 13.5.
What’s more, the longer the interval since they last had sex, the more depressed the women who never or sometimes used condoms got. But the time since the last sexual encounter made no difference to the mood of women who usually or always used condoms.
The team also found that depressive symptoms and suicide attempts were more common among women who used condoms regularly compared with those who didn’t. The results will appear in the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior.
http://www.hbcprotocols.com/newsletter/newsletter22.html
December 20th, 2005 at 9:49 amIRI,
In both of your rants above, you are speaking from your own miserable perspective as usual. I’m happy now that I gave up religion, the Repiglican party, Corporate America and dating chauvantists like you. Much, much happier.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:18 amP.S. your article forgot to say that women only exposed to the semen of liberal men were happier. Women exposed to the semen of conservatives were all in prison for having butchered their partners… oooh, better wear that condom to save your conservative life, and the rest of the world from your demented spawn.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:21 am[...]Yap, yap, yap, seeth, whine, sniffle…[...]
…better wear that condom to save your conservative life, and the rest of the world from your demented spawn.
Comment by unbelievable
I thought you’d like that one.
December 23rd, 2005 at 5:07 pmMaybe nobody’s coming back here to read? Oh, well. I forget how I got here, anyhow. Something about Bush. But the condom thing- did they ask the women why they were or weren’t requiring them? Like maybe the ones who don’t are in a committed relationship and are happier than the ones who are having random, casual sex? (Although random, casual sex has its advantages.) Those questions could be relevant. …I miss having a smart president.
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