Bush: I Was “Just Saying He’s Presumed Innocent”
Bush: I Was “Just Saying He’s Presumed Innocent”
Wednesday on Fox News, President Bush said that he believed Tom DeLay was innocent of money laundering:
HUME: Do you believe he is innocent?
BUSH: Delay? Yes, I do.
The comment caused considerable controversy because the White House has been deflecting comments about the CIA leak for months, claiming it’s their policy not to comment on ongoing criminal investigations.
ThinkProgess has obtained an advanced transcript of Bush’s upcoming interview on the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer. In it, Bush claims he only meant that DeLay was presumed innocent until proven guilty:
MR. LEHRER: You don’t know. Okay. The–you mentioned Tom Delay. Why did you say he was innocent?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, I was—
MR. LEHRER: This is an interview with Brit Hume.
PRESIDENT BUSH: I did and–but the point I was making was innocent till, until otherwise proven, and I was also asked did I hope he would come back to Congress. The answer was yes.
MR. LEHRER: But you–I looked very carefully at that transcript. I mean, you essentially said he was innocent. I mean, you weren’t–that wasn’t–you weren’t really saying that then? You were just saying he’s presumed innocent?
PRESIDENT BUSH: I–that’s exactly what I was saying.
Bush didn’t make a mistake by violating White House policy. We just misinterpreted what he was saying. Got it?
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I love it! More insults from dear leader! Not even Fox viewers will swallow that one!
December 16th, 2005 at 3:39 pmDear President Bush – Please remember that ONLY Dems and Progs are presumed innocent. It’s hard to believe that PBS’ brightest did not understand your clarification of ones the presumed of innocence.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:40 pmHis comments were base on fualty intelligence…his.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:40 pmBush doesn’t get to decide DeLays guilt or innocence. So why the big deal over what he thinks? Perhaps the left is only grasping for new ways to advance their “Culture of Corruption” story line.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:40 pmHUME: Do you believe he is innocent?
BUSH: Delay? Yes, I do.
This one needs to go on the TP greatest hits album!
December 16th, 2005 at 3:41 pmObviously Georgie-Porgie was against Delay being guilty before he was for it. King Flipper strikes again…
December 16th, 2005 at 3:42 pmJust Bush lying again. Nothing to see here. Move along.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:42 pmZippy, good one…
he’s flip-flopping his policy… I can’t wait for him to demand an up-or-down vote on Alito after not insisting on one for Meyers…
December 16th, 2005 at 3:44 pmNotice the anti-spin?
Notice how he DID NOT say “Until proven guilty”
December 16th, 2005 at 3:45 pmZippy,
Your John Kerry line doesn’t fit on Bush.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:45 pmMighty Aphrodite,
Don’t you have to go shopping, get a manicure, or have one of the rooms in your house re-decorated or something?
December 16th, 2005 at 3:46 pmIt’s all Brittany Humes’* fault for asking the dumass such
a transparent question. Must not have been in the script.
* – credit Rachel Maddow with that one.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:48 pmSpudge Boy,
December 16th, 2005 at 3:49 pmBush is in his last term.
Who are you going to hate in ‘08 ?
Just like the uberrighties presumed that Clinton was innocent while they dragged the whole country through a $70 million tour of his zipper.
It was insanely stupid of Clinton to lie about that, but for some reason, his lying about sex warrants a whole lot more uberright outrage than does lying about wars, cheating taxpayers, enriching campaign contributors, etc.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:50 pmThis is a dumb thing to argue about. GWB, can, and does whatever he wants to, and he can talk about whatever he wants to also. So leave him alone before he takes HIS soccerball and goes home.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:50 pmMichael,
Hmmm…so Bush wasn’t against the DHS before he was for it? He wasn’t against the 9/11 Commission before he was for it?
Yeah…he is pretty flippy and floppy
December 16th, 2005 at 3:50 pm“Rewriting history is dishonest and reprehensible”, anyone?
December 16th, 2005 at 3:51 pmYou are all famous. Except for the trolls. They are just great famous pains in the ass, and never on the money.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:52 pm
I don’t just hate Bush. There is Delay, Frist, et al. On what you would say is my side, there is Hillary, Lieberman, etc.
There will be plenty of people for me to hate.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:52 pmThe White House should invest in flame retardant chemicals – will help keep that “pants of fire” thing to a minimum…
December 16th, 2005 at 3:55 pmNotice the intense feeding frenzy over one little comment by GWB. Anything to get your minds off the success in Iraq.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:56 pmWell, it didn’t take mighty(gullible)aphrodite long to buy into the company line.
So, no matter what bush says, we are to intepret it in a manner that makes it right and okay. Hmmmm, let’s see if I can apply that rule:
“Saddam has nuclear weapons”
m(g)a translation: Saddam is a bad guy and would use nuclear weapons if he had them.
“Hekuva job Brownie”
m(g)a translation: You’re fired Brownie.
“We don’t torture”
m(g)a translation: We torture only when it’s absolutely necessary and will save millions, perhaps hundreds, of lives.
HUME: Do you believe he is innocent?
BUSH: Delay? Yes, I do.
m(g)a translation: I believe in the rule of law and the presumtion of innocence.
Okay, I see. Let’s see how it works for me:
“Mighty(gullible)aphrodite is dumber than a bag of hammers.”
m(g)a translation: Mighty(gorgeous)aphrodite is thoughtful and wears very provocative shoes.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:57 pmNice to see you again unbelievable.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:57 pmMichael…Didn’t think you could, or would, respond directly.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:57 pmIn the past I just thought you were stupid or misguided, mighty aphrodite. But you’re a bonifide liar and spinster. There is only one way to interpret Bush’s remarks to Hume.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:58 pmThere wouldn’t be a feeding frenzy if there wasn’t something to eat.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:58 pmUbelievable…isn’t that what all that talk about asbestos lawsuits was about? Just askin’
December 16th, 2005 at 3:58 pm“…I mean, you weren’t–that wasn’t–you weren’t really saying that then? You were just saying he’s presumed innocent?…”
wow…gee thanks, lehrer – talk about putting words in ones mouth…
December 16th, 2005 at 3:59 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — December 16, 2005 @ 3:40 pm
Let’s try this again, MA. President Bush said that he believed that DeLay is innocent. He did not say that he believe in the presumption of innocence for Tom Delay.
It may well been what he meant, or wish he meant, but it is not what he said.
In any event, the White House has seen fit to deny ALL comment on ongoing criminal investigation except apparently when it suits their need to change public opinion, and that was the point here.
Further, your, with a complete lack of either logic or nexxus, move to make a question regarding clarification of the White House’s own stated policy, into an issue over presumption of innocence. Whoever said that DeLay was not presumed innocent? Whoever said that only Dems and Progressives have a presumption of innocence?
Classic strawman argument.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:00 pm#4, Michael, that’s not the point. The point is that Bush and his misadministration (McClellan, etc.) have repeatedly stated in White House briefings and news conferences they were not going to comment about ongoing investigations (e.g., Plamegate). However, in their usual hypocritical fashion, they continue to comment on ongoing investigations whenever they feel like it.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:01 pm#26
December 16th, 2005 at 4:02 pmYou’ve learned to settle for crumbs.
#23 Hi Mike, you too. How’s it going?
December 16th, 2005 at 4:03 pmSpeaking of crumbs, Michael…
Have a cracker for being a…”bbrraaawwwwccckkk”…Limbannity parrot.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:03 pm#27
MLDB, clearly :)
December 16th, 2005 at 4:04 pmBush played down the importance of the eavesdropping story. “It’s not the main story of the day,” Bush told Lehrer. “The main story of the day is the Iraqi elections” for parliament which took place on Thursday.
He’s definately gripping.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:06 pmI love it.
MLDB
Thanks for the cracker… I love you man!
December 16th, 2005 at 4:06 pmBush doesn’t get to decide DeLays guilt or innocence. So why the big deal over what he thinks? Perhaps the left is only grasping for new ways to advance their “Culture of Corruption†story line.
Comment by Michael — December 16, 2005
Because, genius, it taints any potential jury pool.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:09 pm#37
Good point, as his poll numbers went up a point ot two following the propaganda in his recent four speeches. These are the same people who might be considered to be his peers… or yours and mine for that matter… scary…
December 16th, 2005 at 4:12 pmAnd you have learned to post bullsh!t on a site where nobody cares. So, we’re even.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:14 pm[Comment deleted by admin.]
December 16th, 2005 at 4:18 pmOnce again, you don’t have to post anything, but the fact that you are trying to change the subject again shows just what a tool you are.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:19 pmPerhaps the RIGHT are only grasping for new ways to advance their “Culture of Corruption†story line.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:20 pmI think I should now go back to my mental ward before they miss me. thanks for the fun righties.
Because, genius, it taints any potential jury pool.
Comment by Begonia Buzzkill
All the high profile Donks and hours of airtime didn’t help old Tookie did it? I got your taint right here buddy.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:21 pm#11 – “Don’t you have to go shopping, get a manicure, or have one of the rooms in your house re-decorated or something?”
December 16th, 2005 at 4:22 pmComment by For Truth
*****Dear Four Truths – You need to get up to speed. Why don’t you go staple protest signs and sponge $$$$ off your parents.
MizzWrong,
All of those ’smears’ and ‘myths’ against Kerry have long been debunked, just like the belief that the world is 8000 years old. Your continuing belief in fantasies just shows what a retard you are.
You’re such a ‘grasp at straw’ psychotic.
You do know you’re going to hell for getting a divorce – right? Unlike most of the crap you spout, divorce and all subsequent sexual activity after divorce (including fantasies) were outlawed by jesus himself. I always love how hypocritical and moronic the ‘dumbMinionists’ like MizzWrong are.
You’re SUCH PATHETIC LOSERS!
December 16th, 2005 at 4:23 pmJust how many days will bush push the “Iraqi elections” as the main story? Meanwhile, Americans are loosing basic freedoms because this administrations has decided the Constitution is just a crappy piece of paper. The presumption of innocense is applicable only to those the Republicans want it to apply to – however they believe they can eavesdrop on anyone they want to and those citizens are already preusmed guilty. Certainly no need for a stinkin search warrant.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:24 pmAh, and here’s MizzWrong’s alter ego, MizzWrong in drag, AKA MightyTranny making an effort to protect MizzWrong.
You know, you’ve been debunked and proven to be a fake personna MightyTranny. Move on along you fool.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:25 pmokieblonde,
Not all americans are losing freedoms, the republicans are increasingly being allowed to freely commit crimes without consequences…
December 16th, 2005 at 4:25 pmHey!
Somebody used my name in vain!
December 16th, 2005 at 4:26 pm#42 was not me!
Great! Now it looks like I’m talking to myself.
Have fun with this one everyone!
Mighty Aphrodite is willing to carry a lot of water for her man George. Just like Tammy Wynette did for HER George. Of course, that was usually after he hit the bottle – and her -a little too hard.
Do you have a problem with Mighty A? Maybe you think she should leave him, bust up the co-dependency, check into a blog for battered women?
What are you, a bleeding-heart Liberal?
I say you go, Girl. Stand by your man until the bitter end. Who cares WHAT comes out of his twisted little pie-hole. When he tells you war is peace you GO, and back him up. When he calls out in the night, slick with sweat from uneasy dreams (a nod to Gregor Samsa here) that freedom is slavery, you must BE THERE, Mighty, to stroke his head, to whisper those sweet nothings he can’t get from Laura… finally, when he pins the medal on you that reads “ignorance is strength,” you will have earned the right to call yourself an American Girl – Bush-style.
To quote the president’s grandfather, “Seig Heil!”
Mighty, the president needs you – now more than ever. Because the fact is, people close to him report some disturbing psychological warning signs and behaviors lately; rages, moodiness, tantrums, blaming everyone for his own mistakes… frankly, I can see the writing on the wall (even when Karl Rove hefts his bulk in front of it so as not to reveal it):
Your lovesexy presi-hunk is not doing so well.
Look out for the public tantrum, because it may be coming soon, and then that will be it for his reputation as a grownup. He’ll need you most then, because it will take a herculean amount of force to spin his dead reputation then. And lots of clean, patriotic, cotton-panties-style retro American love. And you’re the gal to bring it.
(whew, I get so WORKED UP writing this… gotta open a window!)
BTW, there is no evidence to suggest that George was making a statement amounting to a reminder that all accused persons are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
“Do you believe he’s innocent?” “Yes I do.”
Anything else is your own interpretation. What’s not there simply isn’t there. Unless you hold that it depends on the meaning of the word “is.” But such parsing is for slimy flip-floppers from some other, inferior, political party. Our POTUS would never flip-flop… what? he changed his mind about torture? oh… never mind!
By the way, why is it that a person arrested in the US is entitled to the presumption of innocence – even an ethically questionable individual such as Delay – but the thousands of people we are holding incommunicado in secret torture centers around the globe are given the presumption of guilt? I thought the presumption of innocence was based on the founding fathers’ concept of inalienable human rights, not on real estate law?
Does real estate matter so much that where you’re standing determines everything?
December 16th, 2005 at 4:27 pmRule No. 1
George makes the rules.
Seriously, IRI, it’s Congress and the Senate (that whole Legislative Branch thing). George isn’t King. He only can veto – which apparently, he doesn’t know yet.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:33 pmBush was just hoping he and every other Republican is innocent. They are all too stupid to know right from wrong and too corrupt to care anyway.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:33 pmBush: Not what I said, you idiot, what I meant. Never pay attention to what I say the first time.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:35 pmBush is too retarded to know the linguistic difference between ‘innocence’ and ‘naivety’. I’ll put in a sentence for all of the semi-literate republican morons.
Republicans naively thought they could get away with not being innocent of commiting crimes.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:35 pm#43
IRI, Tookie Williams was reformed AFTER his conviction… a jury had nothing to do with the Govenator refusing him a stay of execution.
Man, school is supposed to be out for the semester…
December 16th, 2005 at 4:35 pmSuch hatred and personal attacks. You will never win arguments or elections that way.
BWAHAHAHAAAAHAAA!
Yo need to get some bats upside your belfry.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:36 pmHaven’t we seen this for 5 years? Georgie says something unscripted, and then the WH clarifies what “he meant” … ummmmmmmm, wishes he had been quick enough to think of?
December 16th, 2005 at 4:40 pmSee what happens when they let Bush off his leash? He just sticks his widdle size 5 cowboy boot in his mouth.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:41 pm.
the transcript of reporters questioning Scotty about this is classic… makes you want to stand up and cheer!
http://editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001699441&imw=Y
December 16th, 2005 at 4:42 pmComment by I-RIGHT-I
You should know by now that including a link to a NewsMax article makes you a bigger idiot than usual here.
Unless it’s this article at Human Events. Just another Bush Bashing article at Human Events!? ClownHall next?
Neocons Torture Our Civil Liberties
December 16th, 2005 at 4:42 pmOk, seriously, do some of you people come here and pretend to actually support this president and his administration as some kind of sick joke, some perverse way of having fun? You can’t really believe this man is in any way a good president and a decent person and that the criminal activity they’re a part of is ok. Don’t you love this country? Don’t you believe in freedom? What about justice and doing what’s right? I mean, damn…
December 16th, 2005 at 4:45 pm*****Dear Four Truths – You need to get up to speed. Why don’t you go staple protest signs and sponge $$$$ off your parents.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 16, 2005 @
*sarcasm on* Such hatred and personal attacks. You will never win arguments or elections that way. *sarcasm off*
BWAHAHAHAAAAHAAA!
You need to get some bats upside you belfry. That’ll school you.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:46 pmBTW, This Just In: Reich Wing Rehnquisling is still dead.
Hallelujah! Thank the Lord!
December 16th, 2005 at 4:48 pm#55
So you think that Tookie should have been spared? Why stop there? Why not just release him? He’s reformed you know. So what, he’s only killed four people without any mercy I’m sure he wouldn’t kill again. The way a liberal mind works still amazes me.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:51 pmOk, seriously, do some of you people come here and pretend to actually support this president and his administration as some kind of sick joke, some perverse way of having fun?
Comment by Kiki — December 16, 2005 @ 4:45 pm
Kiki,
December 16th, 2005 at 4:52 pmI’ve come to believe they get paid for it.
That there’s a couple pc’s in someones basement and they just rotate about every four hours as to who’s posting
KiKi,
Have you seen those George Romero films, like Dawn of the Dead? About 20% of Americans are like those souless, rotten corpses. Idiotic suicidal zombies that actually think George Bush is a great president, or even think he is too “liberal” if you can believe that. Go over to wingnut sites like Free Republic or Little Green Footballs and see the real threat to democracy and freedom.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:54 pm[...] Oh good god George. Give us a break. Seriously. I can’t take it anymore. [...]
December 16th, 2005 at 4:56 pm65. Further, they all (regardless of blog) say the same thing. Must be a master manual, and daily talking points distributed. No original thoughts whatsoever … just the party-line drivel.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:57 pmThanks for clearing that up, guys. I guess I just had an overdose of incredulity for a second there. :)
December 16th, 2005 at 4:57 pmIt doesn’t matter what he said or in what context. He’s still a jerk, has never had a clue, and will go down in history as the worst president, ever.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:00 pm#64
You’re kidding right, Randy? You really can’t be that contradictory… Your Bible says “Do not Kill”.
No one was advocating releasing him. Keeping him in prison to continue to stop young boys from joining gangs as he had been doing for years (you really should check your facts before you post). You zealots are the ones who say that we should forgive. That your God is all forgiving. What a bunch of hypocrites!
December 16th, 2005 at 5:00 pm#49. Can someone help me back to my mental ward, I,m talking to my self again, Geez!
December 16th, 2005 at 5:05 pmHey! A-TEAM! Murdock NEEDS YOU~Me.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:07 pmCrap ,one more reason why i cease to support PBS it has like its sister radio become a mouth piece for propaganda and giving an out to abuse of power .
December 16th, 2005 at 5:08 pmSorry Micheal, Murdocks locked up.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:08 pmAnd Micheal, Stop pretending to be Murdock!
December 16th, 2005 at 5:09 pm71. I’ve seen it posted that the Right’s “culture of life” argument stops when someone is born. In the womb, protect ‘em regardless of a mother’s right to do what she likes with her own body. Take your first breath, and “hang ‘em high” if the Right chooses. Hypocrites all.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:10 pmSo you think that Tookie should have been spared? Why stop there? Why not just release him? He’s reformed you know. So what, he’s only killed four people without any mercy I’m sure he wouldn’t kill again. The way a liberal mind works still amazes me.
Comment by Randy — December 16, 2005
Great idea, Randy! Release all the dangerous criminals into conservative and Republican districts and enclaves. Then we can keep all the dangerous criminals in one place.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:11 pmEllis, Join Mike at Ward nine, please.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:15 pm79. Gee, you even said “please” … LMAO.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:17 pmPlease try this one. ROFLMACOff
December 16th, 2005 at 5:23 pmrollin
December 16th, 2005 at 5:24 pmon
the
floor
laughing
my
ass
completely
off.
hehe.
Well, The A-Team just got called out on a mission. Later Folks.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:26 pmMicheal, er, uh, Murdock, You coming Fool?
I,m not feeling so well, ughhhh Damm Spin.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:27 pm#77
Incredible, isn’t it? I’d love to send these people for a one year vacation to any country with their Eye-for-an-Eye style government philosophy. I doubt they’d come back quite so Republican.
Guess they forget that Hitler was once a fetus that someone wanted to abort, but was denied…
December 16th, 2005 at 5:30 pm#50 – GTL – Presuming someone’s innocence is not carrying alot of water – but so many of you pessimistic progs still insist on carrying the Clinton bucket of body fluids because he treated international terrorism as a domestic criminal issue. I DO NOT believe him EVIL for that belief. Supposedly he is brilliant (I think his brilliance lies in his “people skills” – his bride lacks warmth but is said to be bright) BUT he is a “one-worlder” who wants to be liked by everybody. Your question re: domestic criminal suspects and foriegn enemy combatants belies your lack of understanding ala RyANNe Old$$$ and the Big Dog.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:42 pmPerhaps the left is only grasping for new ways to advance their “Culture of Corruption†story line.
Actually, the GOP is doing that all on their own, and quite famously, too. Thanks for playing.
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Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 16, 2005 @ 4:18 pm
Why does that not surprise me? I guess that it doesn’t happen more often is surprising…
December 16th, 2005 at 5:44 pm” So what, he’s only killed four people without any mercy I’m sure he wouldn’t kill again. The way a liberal mind works still amazes me.
Comment by Randy”
At least liberal minds work, something that can’t be said for yours.
Republicans believe that killing is ‘legitimate’ as long as it’s war, so clearly you have no problems with killing as long as you don’t like the people who are being killed. And yet the ’soldiers’ who do this killing walk around without a problem. From the standpoint of a ‘gang member’, they are in just as legitimate of a war as that soldier. They believe they are also protecting their family and community. This is in fact the very insanity that Tookie wrote about and denounced from prison as false thinking and wrong. And yet your inability to see the context of the other side is typical of mentally ill republicans. See unlike you, I can see your side, and even understand why you feel that way. I can also have sympathy that it makes you hateful and foolish. But I can also see why it makes you wrong. You by contrast have no ability to process WHY people feel the way they do who disagree with you. That is by definition a psychotic response to the world.
For your future reference, your support of killing ‘within a context’ is called ‘moral relativism’ Randy. It’s so engrained in the psyche of the psycho conservatives that you can’t even see it.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:47 pmMightyTranny,
When you’re the world’s empire, all matters are ‘domestic’, and therefore require the use of american values. Since you neither possess american values, nor understand what they mean – you aren’t psychologically or intellectually sophisticated enough to discuss the topics you expound your ignorance upon.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:49 pm” Presuming someone’s innocence is not carrying alot of water” MightTranny
Well a Reichwing Zionist Terrorist like yourself wouldn’t understand such an important american principle. That would require you have american and civilized values – neither of which you possess :()
December 16th, 2005 at 5:50 pm#86
Slice the salami how you will Aphrodite, Bush said what he said. The fact that you’re trying to, ahem, interpret what he really meant with your magical mind-reading skills is truly comical.
Leher was considered “objective” enough to moderate one of the presidential debates in ‘04.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:55 pmMightyTerrorist always ‘interprets’ his failures and those of republicans the lense of Zionist Fascism. As long as republicans promise to protect israel, the US can be flushed and he doesn’t care. It’s called a REAL exit strategy :()
December 16th, 2005 at 5:58 pm#71 – “No one was advocating releasing him. Keeping him in prison to continue to stop young boys from joining gangs…”
December 16th, 2005 at 6:03 pmComment by unbelieved
*****I am against the death penalty (can’t be undone and way too much $$$$. It’s also a “make work” program for appeals attorneys.) But I didn’t get my panties in a twist over Tookie – he was a terrible influence inside San Quentin, he did nothing to assist authorities with the Crips apparatus, and was SOOOOOOO effective at keeping young boys out of gangs – but a miserable failure with two of his own sons – “fine” young men currently housed in prison.
So MightyTranny prefers to make decisions on his wallet and not a moral compass. Figures. He’s a ‘moral relativist’ who justifies his family ‘cutting and running’, while accusing others of the act.
You’re such a poor little fool…
December 16th, 2005 at 6:07 pmThat’s not what he said. Does he think everyone is not only stupid, but deaf? There’s video you idiot! Unbelievable.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:10 pmRyan, Did you catch this:
December 16th, 2005 at 6:11 pmI didn’t get my panties in a twist over Tookie – Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 16, 2005 @ 6:03 pm #94.(Panties)
men wear either boxers or shorts. not panties.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:13 pmHot Tip,
Yeah, it’s exactly what a man ‘pretending’ to be a woman would say, and yet it’s a phrase that I’ve never heard a woman utter in general public. At least not a ‘lady’, which MightyTranny clearly is not…
December 16th, 2005 at 6:14 pmActually IRI wears panties – but then again he’s a bit ‘ambiguous’ like MAhole :()
December 16th, 2005 at 6:15 pm#46 – “Just how many days will bush push the “Iraqi elections†as the main story?”
******Since the Iraqi election just happened YESTERDAY – I hope we’ll hear this GOOD news at least through the ‘06 mid term elections!!
“Meanwhile, Americans are loosing basic freedoms because this administrations has decided the Constitution is just a crappy piece of paper.”
*******Please demonstrate that you know more than just the colour on the Clairol box – please name some Americans loosing “basic freedoms”
“…however they believe they can eavesdrop on anyone they want to and those citizens are already preusmed (sic) guilty.”
******* Blondie – you need to ACTUALLY read the link to the New York Times – Your assignment is to READ the article AND come back and let everyone know who they are eavesdropping on. Hint: “Everyone” is the incorrect answer.
PLEASE tell me you’re a college student and (with any luck) you’ll outgrow the regurgitation of progressive talking points.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:16 pm‘.’
December 16th, 2005 at 6:17 pm0
WTF does Tookie Williams have to do with Bush “commenting on an ongoing criminal investigation,” that is gong to trial? If all you have are straw men, you got nothing.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:17 pm”
December 16th, 2005 at 6:19 pm()
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December 16th, 2005 at 6:19 pmo
Psst… Hot Tip…. FYI, RyANNe likes to brag he’s “old money” – but since REAL “old $$$” have too much class to discuss money, we’ll just placate him/her and his/her delusions of grandeur. Shhhh….
December 16th, 2005 at 6:20 pm‘ ‘
December 16th, 2005 at 6:21 pm”
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Aawww, Now we know what M.A. is after. Ryans Money.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:22 pmFemales never cease to amaze me with thier greed.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:23 pmThat is funny. I could swear that I am a progressive and I have yet to receive my talking points.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:23 pmbetter watch out Ryan
December 16th, 2005 at 6:23 pmMightyHermaphrodite,
Jews generally have too much class to be Nazis, but you disprove that theory – what’s you’re point there b!tch :()
December 16th, 2005 at 6:24 pmI think the bigger deal is that he said on Fox that DeLay was innocent but on PBS that what he meant was presumed innocent.
How many Fox viewers do you think also watch PBS to hear the clarification?
Seems to me that he corrected the “misunderstanding” with the folks who think it’s outrageous he would say such a thing, but he’s leaving it as is for the folks who want to believe it to be true.
Odds that Fox runs the revision?
December 16th, 2005 at 6:25 pm“*******Please demonstrate that you know more than just the colour on the Clairol box – please name some Americans loosing “basic freedoms— MightyTranny
And this is why everyone knows you aren’t a lawyer (or least not a competent one).
Fourth Amendment to the constituion
December 16th, 2005 at 6:26 pmThe right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
#90 – “When you’re the world’s empire, all matters are ‘domestic’, and therefore require the use of american values…” Comment by RyANNe Old$$$
*****CALLING ALL CONSERVATIVES!!!!! If RyANNe’s comment is not a demonstration of the IMPERIALISM lobbed by “useful idiot” liberals, I don’t know what is…I believe in the sovereignty of nations, the defense of allies and the defeat of enemies. You, George Soros, and your other little “one World” friends are exposed by your carelessness. (Hint: You should brag about yourself MORE – it’s ALWAYS good for a LAUGH!!! tee-hee,hee!!)
December 16th, 2005 at 6:27 pm“******* Blondie – you need to ACTUALLY read the link to the New York Times – Your assignment is to READ the article AND come back and let everyone know who they are eavesdropping on. Hint: “Everyone†is the incorrect answer.” MightyTranny
A ‘fishing expedition’ based on suppositions is in effect ‘everyone’ in a class or group. Not only is this illegal under the constitution – as has been challenged by the ACLU (you know that group of REAL lawyers who are competent that you hate), but it’s just idiotic (like you).
Republicans are so unamerican – are you sure you immigrated to the correct country? Clearly you should have stayed in whatever cesspool you crawled out of.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:29 pm“I believe in the sovereignty of nations, the defense of allies and the defeat of enemies.” MightyTranny
Then you don’t believe in the sovereignty of your ‘enemies’ as was witnessed in Iraq. That’s called a cognitive dissonance there MightyMoron.
FYI, Soros is a ‘liberatian’ and ‘conservative’ you moron. Unlike you, he’s a jew who doesn’t want to be a nazi.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:31 pmIf the truth was that he meant to say “presumed innocent” wouldn’t Scotty have just said that yesterday rather than “Presidental perogative”.
(Does Bobbie Brown get a cut from that?)
December 16th, 2005 at 6:32 pm“If RyANNe’s comment is not a demonstration of the IMPERIALISM lobbed by “useful idiot†liberals, I don’t know what is…” MightyTranny
Actually ‘imperialism’ is what american companies do that forces this situation to be true. While you ARE an idiot, you are ‘useless’, except for the express purpose of demonstrated that republicans are mentally, socially and morally bankrupt.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:32 pm#91 – Dear Old $$$- Apparently, subtlety eludes you.
December 16th, 2005 at 6:33 pm“Presuming someone’s innocence is not carrying alot of water†– means, presuming someone’s innocence is not difficult. I apologize for speaking so FAR over your monied head. What’s that old saying, “Can’t buy class”? I suppose in your case we’ll need to extend that to, “Can’t buy intelligence, or humour, or friends….”
MightyTranny,
How much does the pentagon pay you – clearly our taxpayers are wasted!
December 16th, 2005 at 6:33 pm#120,
Huh? That was an incoherent and rambling rant. Are you on oxycontin? Because you come across like an illiterate twit. Is this a new kind of ‘republican ebonics’ that just strings nonsense phrases together?
December 16th, 2005 at 6:34 pm“but since REAL “old $$$†have too much class to discuss money” MightyTranny
You prove the old axiom that those who discuss ‘class’ have none :()
December 16th, 2005 at 6:36 pmJust caught the end of that PBS interview — LOVE that he wished Bush “happy holidays”!!
December 16th, 2005 at 6:36 pmHey MightyTranny,
Did you know that IRI is all excited by the coming Rapture, because it’s supposed to kill off 2/3rds of the Jews, but leave the Christians around to rule?
You sure can pick good friends! :()
December 16th, 2005 at 6:37 pmYou’ve been clocked MightyTranny. I proved that you were lying about being in court all day, and your vocabularly is 100% unfemale. We all know you’re a fake, give it up, and tell the pentagon you’ve wasted their pittance through typical republican ineptitude :()
December 16th, 2005 at 6:39 pmSo let me get this straight. If someone had asked Bush, in 1994, if he believed Clinton was innocent. His answer would be “Yes, absolutely.”
Is that right?
December 16th, 2005 at 6:40 pm#93 – “Slice the salami how you will Aphrodite, Bush said what he said. The fact that you’re trying to, ahem, interpret what he really meant with your magical mind-reading skills is truly comical.”
December 16th, 2005 at 6:51 pmMy Dear Mr. Deauchamp – First let me compliment the wit AND sophistication of one so… soooo….French. I possess no such magical powers – nor do I pretend to, (unlike so many here, ie. Nico, Payson, Judd, Old$$$, unbeliever, etc). However, because the majority of Americans believe one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I assumed (apparently in error) the Intellectual Giants here at Think Pessimism would do so, too. On second thought, isn’t this the same crowd who defined “is” ad nauseum….. and redefined “sex”? How silly of me!! Merci beaucoup!!
“However, because the majority of Americans believe one is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I assumed (apparently in error) the Intellectual Giants here at Think Pessimism would do so, too.” MightyTranny
Presuming innocence, and ‘declaring’ innocence are two different things. The first is civil discourse, the second is jury tampering when the source is the president. You ‘claim’ to be an attorney, yet you don’t recognize this? Clearly you aren’t a very good attorney, if you even are one.
“On second thought, isn’t this the same crowd who defined “is†ad nauseum….. and redefined “sexâ€?”
Actually it was Starr who ‘redefined’ sex, or did you miss that in your ‘clift notes’ review of legal history? Trying to blame a liberal, for the failure of a republican – typical ineptitude I’ve come to expect from you retarded hacks.
And it’s still better than trying to redefine ‘torture’, ‘freedom’, ‘internment’, and ‘WMDs’, ‘intelligence’, ‘reliability’, ‘accountability’ I do believe. And those are just a ‘few’ of the terms hacks like you seem to not grasp the meaning of :()
December 16th, 2005 at 6:57 pm“My Dear Mr. Deauchamp – First let me compliment the wit AND sophistication of one so… soooo….French. ” MightyTranny
This is how you know Tranny is a Manny. Women don’t fear the French, but republican men see them as a threat to their ‘anxious masculinity’. Typical of the psychosis of losers like this wanna-be.
Mais oui transvestite de Monsieur?
December 16th, 2005 at 6:59 pm#111 – “That is funny. I could swear that I am a progressive and I have yet to receive my talking points.
December 16th, 2005 at 7:11 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — December 16, 2005 @ 6:23 pm
*****SpudgeMAN – I wouldn’t brag about being a progressive – it’s SO politically correct, predictable…. and fashionable!!! But you are more intelligent than many of the other progs – they figure you can remember the lines. Fashionable dolts need talking points, cue cards and e-minders:
“Conservatives = Greed”, “Religion = Stupidity”, Liberals kNOw Morals”, “Bush=Nazi”, “Bush Lied – Millions Died” etc. Take it as a compliment – the head MoonBAT doesn’t think you need them!!
Wow NotSoMighty Aprhodite,
That’s all ya got?
My cat has typed better comments walking on the keyboard.
You guys are done.
December 16th, 2005 at 7:16 pmBut those are some good talking points :D
December 16th, 2005 at 7:19 pm#128
December 16th, 2005 at 7:21 pmSorry to embarrass you Aphrodite. Surely you must be used to it by now.
#130 – My dear Mr. Old$$$ – I do not KNOW if Stanley Williams or Scott Peterson are murderers. But we now legally assume them to be murderers due to their murder convictions – are you following this or should I slow down?? I know one of the two crucial elements of a criminal act (mens rea) went right over your head. Ooops!
As I recall from Mr. Blow Jobs finger wagging denial and teary recant a few months later – HE didn’t consider oral sex – sex. Stop revising history.
As for French men: You’re thinking about prog womyn and the French. I’ll take a red-blooded American MAN ANY day of the week over the cowardly, whiny, effeminate,
December 16th, 2005 at 7:27 pmand dirty French. My sincere apologies to the dozens of members of the French Resistance.
I just watched the president fumble his way through that Leher interview. His body language and mannerisms (added to the fact that he’s even out giving interviews, something he wouldn’t do unless he had to) doesn’t paint a convincing picture of strength and confidence. He’s in trouble folks and he knows it.
#128
December 16th, 2005 at 7:53 pmI also forgot to thank you for all of the compliments, Aphrodite. That was very sweet of you. In regards to my French heritage, I’m an American first and of French lineage second. To be honest, I don’t speak a lick of French. So, I guess that means you know more French than I do. By the way, it’s Duchamp, not “Deauchamp”. For a lawyer, you not very observant.
#109
Hey – don’t generalize all women like that… Not fair to those of us who aren’t. Besides, Afro isn’t a woman. Ryan’s right, he has only one X chromosome, and the other is a mutated Y.
December 16th, 2005 at 8:17 pm#133 – “My cat has typed better comments walking on the keyboard.” Comment by WORFEus
December 16th, 2005 at 8:19 pmHow sad!!!!! To have a cat SO much more intelligent than you!
Mighty Aphrodite and I-Right-I: The KKK says keep up the good work!
December 16th, 2005 at 8:22 pmYou guys know how they use effeminate sounding men to pretend to be women so they’ll say really vulgar things for 1-900 phone sex calls? I think the same people employ Afro…
December 16th, 2005 at 8:23 pm#135 Afro
Your lack of middle school American history is amazing… really amazing for someone professing to be a lawyer. Were it not for the French militia assisting us during our Revolution, you’d be currently living in a British colony.
You have seen the The Statue of Liberty haven’t you? You do know where we got it?
December 16th, 2005 at 8:28 pmDear Mr. Old$$$$ – “…and your vocabularly is 100% unfemale.” You poor dear – only wimpy “males” with sexual identity problems have such a viceral reaction. ‘Til tomorrow – Mr. Aphrodite and I have a Christmas/Chanukuh Celebration to attend this evening! Now behave for the sitter!!!
December 16th, 2005 at 8:33 pmP.S – Unbelievable, I appreciate the French from 230 years ago and Lady Liberty was a generous gift! I’m only critical of the cowardly, collaborative French of the last 75 years or so.
December 16th, 2005 at 8:38 pmP.S.S. – Monsieur Duchamp – Now you know your French “charm” must be genetic….
Good night…
Everytime something comes out of the shrubs piehole, I want to puke. He is a liar, and a war criminal.
December 16th, 2005 at 10:03 pmLehrer let this one go — Bush was wrong.
December 16th, 2005 at 10:16 pmTo say he won’t comment on an ongoing investigation (Plamegate) but he does comment on Delay’s pending trial is nothing less than hypocrisy, and actually is an act of influencing the jury. Too many people already think the president is above reproach and if he says something, it carries more weight — well I hope Delay’s jury is more savvy than Bush.
Bush is a fool, a liar, a criminal and dangerous. He should speak off the cuff more often, maybe he will impeach himself.
I’m so glad that Bubble boy is doing his rounds on T.V.
He allows the entire nation to see what a moron and liar he is.
Stay on T.V. Bubble boy, keep putting statements on the record. You’re digging your own grave.
December 17th, 2005 at 12:07 am“I know one of the two crucial elements of a criminal act (mens rea) went right over your head. Ooops!”
[mutter, mutter, wheeze]
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 16,
I’ll bet when other lawyers learn they must face your prodigious legal talents in court, they just shake and piss themselves – from laughing so hard.
December 17th, 2005 at 1:07 amThe quoted exchange between Bush and Lehrer was immediately followed by one discussing the President adopting the McCain torture bill without amendment.
I probably should have written “SPOILER” before that because ThinkProgress is still pretending they are unaware of this development or that it hasn’t happened.
December 17th, 2005 at 3:14 amGreat thoughts and comments. BUT!…
Remember, keep a clear head. The obvious manipulation, secrecy and contridicting actions/words elude to a mentality capable of extremely manipulative PR. I dont doubt the possability that alot of this is a preporatory phase, preping us for whats to come. Creating arguments over obvious bullsh*t that goes on, as if the intentions behind the confusion are just that, to create the bickering whilest more bs goes on in the back ground.
Hey, what can I say…ive grown weary and paranoid.
-=P=-.v001
December 17th, 2005 at 4:34 amYour all sheep. Blue, red…democrat, republican etc… You realy believe these things are tangible? Real?… make a difference? Wake up allready. Hippies making fun of Tight a$$ yuppies and business men, and vice versa.
Children! You need to get up from your sleep and start paying attention. You words and angers are a misdirected by-product of the proposed confusion. “We” are a part of “We the people” – It does not say “We the people who confirm to xy or z political party”… It was never said that it was this that makes up this “great country” (we need to start acting like it)
I urge you to focus, and understand…what ever our differences we all have some basic mutual NEEDS and rightfully deserved desires…
Nothing wrong with some criticism of government. Lets focus our attentions to ensuring that both sides are given adequate information, checks and balances to ensure we all have a government that generaly works for most of us.
Your a waste of digital space. Uplift and inform or shut down and go watch t.v. but dont spread the hate.
December 17th, 2005 at 4:43 amI think you are seriously overestimating your audience.
Remember these are people who can recite which are “blue states” and which are “red states” and then talk about how policies have divided the nation.
Unless the policy is slavery and the states are either “black states” or “white states” I really don’t think they are going to get the idea that they are the problem.
December 17th, 2005 at 5:28 amTank,
December 17th, 2005 at 5:53 amBushitler didn’t have any choice about the McCain amendment. The Senate was not going to back down on the torture issue.
It’s funny how shrub didn’t want to comment about Libby, but he had plenty to say about that scumbag Delay.
Bushitler didn’t have any choice about the McCain amendment.
Really ? Because the press was reporting on this as though this President still had veto power over bills like all previous Presidents. That changed has it ?
It’s funny how shrub didn’t want to comment about Libby, but he had plenty to say about that scumbag Delay.
No it’s neither funny nor suprising.
December 17th, 2005 at 6:04 amEither refer to Bush as his majesty and acknowledge he is King or quit wasting your time talking about whether his opinion matters intead of that of the jury.
Sure, he could veto the appropriations bill, then where would he get the money for his war of aggression.
December 17th, 2005 at 6:17 amJustice Robert Jackson, who was prosecutor at the Nurenberg war crimes trial on wars of aggression: Our position is that whatever grievances a nation may have, however objectionable it finds the status quo, aggressive warfare is an illegal means for settling those grievances or for altering those conditions. It may be that the Germany of the 1920’s and 1930’s faced desperate problems, problems that would have warranted the boldest measures short of war. All other methods — persuasion, propaganda, economic competition, diplomacy — were open to an aggrieved country, but aggressive warfare was outlawed. These defendants did make aggressive war, a war in violation of treaties. They did attack and invade their neighbors in order to effectuate a foreign policy which they knew could not be accomplished by measures short of war. And that is as far as we accuse or propose to inquire.
Tank i think your approach to this blog seems to be a bit more disruptive than suppling us with a nod and wink or a blistering rebutal. To water down the thread by questioning the thread itself really leaves you with only one choice. Off to the whinning bin for you. Sure there may be more egregious Bushcapades to focus on but to come back with as you did earlier with your #12 Vol 34 thing seems like you are becoming a critic, when one isn’t needed. What standard are you using to judge things here? If you would like to do a Fair & Balanced review of say 4-5 Blogs please set up a link so we can compare apples to apples. If you are a professional journalist or writer you should have some place else to go. I enjoy the amatureness to this site and they do supply links to support their thread. And as far as my having to respond to your question about the opposition doesn’t have an alternative, I’m supposed to have an supporting counter provision because the Sole Party in control right now is failing in it’s delivery of it’s own policy. Since when has policy become My way or the hiway. Well that’s easy Since the man took office. We gave them keys to the car what’s wrong with bitching about the drive when we have been thrown in the trunk. That’s like your dad being the head of the house and in charge of everything and then when he wrecks the family car he blames your mother for complaining. You tell me why your here.
December 17th, 2005 at 6:53 amWake up call!!!!!!!
At last the people of the great nation of America see the deception of their government and start calling to impeache Bush and replace the corrupt establishment based on lies and corruption. This will be the first step to world peace. I am Dutch and I am very proud on my brothers and sisters in the States who see the deception and call for justice.
December 17th, 2005 at 7:04 amThen you can sing again, America the beautifull with proud in your hearts!!!! Right on!!!!!
Tank,
Seriously, do not drink and blog…
December 17th, 2005 at 11:38 am#Dear Mr. Old$$$$ – “…and your vocabularly is 100% unfemale.†You poor dear – only wimpy “males†with sexual identity problems have such a viceral reaction. ‘Til tomorrow – Mr. Aphrodite and I have a Christmas/Chanukuh Celebration to attend this evening! Now behave for the sitter!!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 16, 2005 @ 8:33 pm
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If Bush says he Innocent then obviously hes guilty and should be shown no clemency and given a lethal injection …Mark my words everytime bush speaks about terrorists he could be talking about himself …..ever noticed that
December 18th, 2005 at 9:49 am#162 Liverpool
Oh yeah, definitely! Thanks for bringing this up…
I was watching his last major televised address last month and if you’d taken his speech and replaced ‘terrorists’ with ‘US Government’, ‘Muslim Extremists’ with ‘Evangelicals’, and ‘Osama bin Laden’ with ‘George W. Bush’, it would have aptly applied to how he has occupied Iraq based on fundamental extremism and megalomaniacal delusions of divine command, and a delusional desire to force his lifestyle on the world. I thought, George, listen to what you are saying. It’s how the world feels about you, the US military and Evangelicism! Amazing…
December 18th, 2005 at 10:29 amHow about sandy burgler and slick willie these two wouldn’t know the truth if it kicked them in the butt.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:19 pmHahahaha
December 18th, 2005 at 2:33 pm