Victory:
By on Dec 16th, 2005 at 1:35 pm
Victory:
Senate rejects pleas from President Bush and filibusters legislation to renew the Patriot Act. “The Senate fell seven votes short of shutting off a filibuster that threatens to block an extension of much of the law.”
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Oh happy day.
December 16th, 2005 at 1:40 pmSomeone pinch me, I think I’m dreaming…
December 16th, 2005 at 1:42 pmAlito will be 7 votes short, too. Will they start to notice it’s over now?
December 16th, 2005 at 1:42 pmYou’re pinched! No, you’re not dreaming.
December 16th, 2005 at 1:43 pmIT’S A MIRACLE!!!!!!!! :)
Wow. Finally, a little return of sanity to a benighted legislative body.
December 16th, 2005 at 1:47 pmThe party’s over.
I guess the Democrats finally found their spines. Maybe they were accidentally packed with their “Holiday” (that’s for you BOR) decorations and they just found them.
December 16th, 2005 at 1:48 pmWe should find out whose responsible and send thank you messages. Make sure they know how much we support this and encourgae them to keep up the good work!
#4 Thanks Jimbo… I think I liked it! :)
December 16th, 2005 at 1:55 pmIt will be interesting to see what Rethuglicans crossed over and risked political suicide. My hat is off to them.
December 16th, 2005 at 1:59 pmThis is the best news I’ve heard all day … kudos to Sen. Feingold and Harry Reid for rallying the “troops” and hanging tough. May I daresay a little ray of hope at the end of this utterly dismal year?
December 16th, 2005 at 2:01 pmThe celebration is Tooooooo EARLY!
An Arms Control Weblog
This is the guy who downloaded this document from the Joint (Chiefs) Electronic Library. Very competent.
Nuclear Posture Review Forward
December 16th, 2005 at 2:01 pmReleased by the Pentagon on January 9, 2002. Signed by Rumsfeld.
slowly but surely , rational toughts and behaviours triumph over evil doers . The administration is in trouble …they do not have the majority they could count on anymore . It seems to me a filibuster of Alito is more possible than ev- er . The Dems better get their asses together . The specter of a third party is very much alive . A Demogratic Progresssive party is not out of question
December 16th, 2005 at 2:02 pmHappy Happy Joy Joy!!
December 16th, 2005 at 2:02 pmThat popping sound you heard was Sen Craig pulling his head out of his ass. I will send him my thanks.
http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/zFacts_2005_03_15_Joint_Nuclear_Operations.pdf
December 16th, 2005 at 2:02 pmAn Arms Control Weblog
December 16th, 2005 at 2:03 pmhttp://www.armscontrolwonk.com/904/wsj-on-reliable-replacement-warhead
December 16th, 2005 at 2:04 pmMay God save our great nation from the stupid actions of democrats. Hey – the terrorists have won, pass it on. Good luck New York or L.A. on your future attack. Hope not too many people die but we just have to have our frickin liberties here.
December 16th, 2005 at 2:04 pmhttp://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=mj05lewis
December 16th, 2005 at 2:04 pmI’m ashamed of my senators … Clinton and Schumer need a rude awakening. I’m so glad the Times article “changed his mind” – I can’t believe he wasn’t concerned about the provisions in the Patriot Act until now. What are these “liberal senators” thinking?
December 16th, 2005 at 2:05 pm#16. check out #17
December 16th, 2005 at 2:05 pm#16
December 16th, 2005 at 2:07 pmHow can anyone argue that the Bush adminstration has America’s security interests at heart when such grave and obvious threats have gone unaddressed, i.e. the unsecured loose nuclear material in the former U.S.S.R., vulnerable chemical plants in our own country, unprotected rail systems, uninspected cargo entering the country… etc. etc.
M. Duchamp , Thats my Point. Consider it a Hot Tip.
December 16th, 2005 at 2:09 pm#16, I hate to burst your bubble but this was a bipartisan effort, not just stupid actions by the democrats. This law is flawed and has to go and even level-headed Republicans agree:
December 16th, 2005 at 2:10 pm
Weird, the bloomberg article link by TP states 55/45 vote. The AP is reporting 52/47 vote.
December 16th, 2005 at 2:11 pmSo Frist voted for it before he voted against it. What a flip-flopper!
December 16th, 2005 at 2:13 pm#22.bipartisan effort??? Whats so Bipartisan About it??? It Divides Dems from Repubs, Thus , just stupid actions by the democrats. This law is flawed and has to go and even level-headed Republicans agree:
December 16th, 2005 at 2:13 pmIs this What you are Saying?
What is the Difinition of Bipartisan?
A term used to refer to an effort endorsed by both political parties or a group composed of members of both political parties.
December 16th, 2005 at 2:15 pmhttp://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/resources/glossary.htm – Definition in context
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlo/resources/glossary.htm#G
December 16th, 2005 at 2:16 pmHot Tip!,
What CarolSoprano is trying to say is that it wasn’t just Democratics that voted this down, Republicans voted it down also. This wasn’t a split down party lines. It was Bipartisan.
This one’s for Frist:
December 16th, 2005 at 2:23 pm#23, I thought that too, but after rereading, the 55-45 indicates the number Resluglican vs. Democrat senators in the senate. Not the result of the vote. Here it is:
“Republicans control the Senate by a 55-45 margin, and it takes 60 votes to overcome a filibuster.
The official vote on the filibuster-ending motion was 52-47. Frist had cast the 53rd vote in favor of ending debate, but switched sides at the end to preserve his options under Senate rules for calling for another vote.”
December 16th, 2005 at 2:26 pmWow, thank you Senator Russ Feingold. What a holiday present.
December 16th, 2005 at 2:26 pmoh, Thanks for the clarification Spudge.
December 16th, 2005 at 2:26 pm(hehe) I figured it out meself after googleing bipolar disiese.(hehe. I aint the smartest in the word u know.lol.
#31
Heh.
December 16th, 2005 at 2:33 pm#22 – I hate to burst your bubble butt, but this wouldn’t have happened if it were left up to the Republicans.
December 16th, 2005 at 2:40 pmHow can we fight the Global War On Christmas if we can’t waterboard any elves, reindeer or misfit toys.
GSD
December 16th, 2005 at 2:40 pmMagnitude 5.9 – NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
December 16th, 2005 at 2:42 pm2005 December 16 18:32:17 UTC
Thanks, Spudge! Looks like the defense appropriations bill is in trouble too if Sen. Stevens insists on adding the Arctic Drilling provision to it … another bipartisan effort:
December 16th, 2005 at 2:45 pm
#33 – point well taken. I just wanted to point out that the usual wingnut arguments weren’t going to work here because a few clear-minded Republicans also actually think the Patriot Act is no good and decided to do the right thing.
December 16th, 2005 at 2:49 pmAny Democrats voted for the Patriat Act extension??
December 16th, 2005 at 2:51 pmI prefer living under self-imposed vigilance and slightly more risk than living with less freedom and privacy under this Patriot Act. Any Senators or Representatives who do not fight for individual freedom and liberty should be recalled and not supported on their re-election run. Individuals, as well as, society can’t function constant fear.
Feingold pwns.
December 16th, 2005 at 2:53 pm#38. I do not understand, please explain.
who do not fight for individual freedom and liberty should be recalled
Only ones I know that are fighting for individual freedoms are in iraq , afganistan.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:00 pm#38, one Dem voted for the extension. Nelson (Nebraska). I’m not surprised.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00358#position
December 16th, 2005 at 3:01 pmis Yanagita a last name? just asking.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:01 pmHow do you determine Who is or who isnt fighting for individual freedom and liberty? thats what I dont understand.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:04 pmis there a difinition?
Oops my bad. Make that two dems: Johnson and Nelson.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:04 pmoh! wait a minute, i think i might have found something.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:05 pmi,ll have to do more research.
http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/flash_2.htm
Calling all trolls, report back to republican headquarters, something really bad has just happened.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:06 pm#43 Do you realize that you contradicted yourself?
Only ones I know that are fighting for individual freedoms are in iraq , afganistan.
How do you determine Who is or who isnt fighting for individual freedom and liberty? thats what I dont understand.
is there a difinition?
Seems we can just let you debate yourself? :)
December 16th, 2005 at 3:07 pmUNBELIEVABLE!Seems we can just let you debate yourself?
December 16th, 2005 at 3:09 pmThanks for not helping. i guess thats part of freedom?
me thinks unbelievable is trying to pick a fight?
December 16th, 2005 at 3:10 pmYeah, the :) (smiley face) is usually the first indicator of aggression…
December 16th, 2005 at 3:11 pmnofreedom,
I agree with your second post, but not your first.
My issue is in the use of absolutes… words that imply 100% totality such as always, never, all, everyone, no one… We don’t live in that world. There’s always an exception somewhere, even if you don’t know it. Yet, conservatives routinely use these words, especially in ideological notions of good and evil.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:15 pmthere is no smilely face. just a :(
December 16th, 2005 at 3:15 pmbesides, i found it.
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” — Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania (1759)
How is this a victory? So we are going to be safer because of this? Don’t cry when the next terrorist attack happens that we couldn’t prevent because of this stupidity. This will not resonate well with the voters next fall and this will come to haunt the democrats. Any thought you guys had in ever reclaiming any power, gone after today.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:15 pmI wish to retract my prevous question – this is a victory, a victory for the terrorists!
December 16th, 2005 at 3:16 pmyou mean you do not agree with #40?
December 16th, 2005 at 3:17 pmUnbelievable, i,m just confused/ inggy me.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:19 pmIt’s too bad that the NYT article on illegal domestic spying is what pushed some Senators over. They should have been railing against the PA since its inception; it was passed in haste with little forethought, it is an anti-democratic, fascist act that must not be inflicted on the USA.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:19 pmhttp://freedomkeys.com/
December 16th, 2005 at 3:19 pm#53 How many terrorist attacks have there been on American soil? And how many died? I’m gonna assume you know the answers are one and nearly 2,000. That’s in all of our 229.5 years as a nation.
Okay, now, how many people die daily from smoking related cancers? Thousands.
You have a greater chance of dying from chain smoking (or second hand smoke if you don’t light up yourself) than you do of being killed by a terrorist. So, if you want to battle a real issue, go visit http://www.Marlboro.com
December 16th, 2005 at 3:20 pmWhat supporters of the Patriot Act don’t realize is that if you let a few civil liberties get swept under the carpet it’s an open invitation to restrict freedoms as the powers that be see fit. I consider any enemy of the fourth amendment un-American. Ouch, I guess that hurts when your nasty conservative rhetoric gets thrown back at you.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:22 pmMarie,
I’ve heard that they didn’t even read the initial Patriot Act before passing it… And they probably wouldn’t have read any of this version if we the people hadn’t been making such a stink about it.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:22 pmUnbelievable, now i understand why i am confused. just take a look at this site.http://freedomkeys.com/
December 16th, 2005 at 3:27 pmRandy– Return to your bunker and continue to live a paranoid, delusional life.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:27 pmsorry
December 16th, 2005 at 3:30 pmhttp://freedomkeys.com/
“The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedom.” — Justice William O. Douglas
December 16th, 2005 at 3:32 pmHey Randy,
December 16th, 2005 at 3:34 pmI’ll show you how to defend yourself when it comes time to fight in the streets. You won’t have to be a coward any longer.
The fight’s not over from the sound of it, just delayed. What I find ironic is that this administration wants more surveillance at the sacrifice of our rights when they ignored the intel that 9/11 was immanent, ignored other intel that refuted their ideology that Iraq was a threat, and have yet to act on intel that shows areas of security weaknesses the US still has (How can anyone argue that the Bush adminstration has America’s security interests at heart when such grave and obvious threats have gone unaddressed, i.e. the unsecured loose nuclear material in the former U.S.S.R., vulnerable chemical plants in our own country, unprotected rail systems, uninspected cargo entering the country… etc. etc. – Comment by M. Duchamp )?
This administration has been a shining example of what results when one doesn’t act on quality information (obviously before the Patriot Act) and ‘fixes’ (notably wrong) intel to justify their preordained actions. There is no justification for the Patriot Act, period. If our leaders can’t utilize what they get with any efficiency and fish for the crap they need to justify their actions, the only people at risk, are the American People.
I hope our legislative leaders can maintain reason and not re-enact the Patriot Act.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:36 pmJeff!
December 16th, 2005 at 3:36 pmFinally!
You’re welcome on my street ANY DAY buddy.
Randy,
Don’t you get tired of posting the same thing over and over?
December 16th, 2005 at 3:39 pm#69 – No. Do you?
December 16th, 2005 at 3:41 pm#66 –
Why don’t you tell that to each one of 9/11 victom family members? That should offer a lot of comfort, especially in this Christmas season.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:43 pmHey Meow – ever hear of Able Danger – when that investigation gets into full swing, watch out!
December 16th, 2005 at 3:45 pm#62 This quote seems timely and relevant:
“When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny.” — Thomas Jefferson
Was I supposed to read anything in particular? Was a lot on that site.
December 16th, 2005 at 3:49 pm#65 Got it… yes indeed! Freedom FROM religion!
December 16th, 2005 at 3:50 pmRandy,
December 16th, 2005 at 4:03 pmNothing you do is for anyone else but you.
I don’t. Democrats don’t have daily talking point memos the way you parrots do.
December 16th, 2005 at 4:15 pmCan’t wait for the investigation as it will show once again that Bush ignored intellegence that might have stopped 9/11 from happening.
Bring it on!
December 16th, 2005 at 4:17 pmRandy shows that ignorance is prerequesite to blind partisanship :()
December 16th, 2005 at 4:28 pmRenewal of anti-terror law blocked in Senate – Yahoo! News
Renewal of anti-terror law blocked in Senate – Yahoo! News
December 16th, 2005 at 4:32 pmThank God!
This is without a doubt one of the most UN-patriotic laws ever passed. I am sincerely thankful that some representatives in this country have the guts to oppose the White House o…
#37 – I’m having a snarky/pissy day.
December 16th, 2005 at 5:37 pm