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		<title>By: turk fowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>turk fowler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trebor for DNC chairman! NOW we&#039;re stealing Iraq&#039;s oil...I&#039;ll bet Bush is storing it in Texas until just the right time when he can light it on fire and burn up anti-war protestors in the flames...yeah, that&#039;s the ticket....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trebor for DNC chairman! NOW we&#8217;re stealing Iraq&#8217;s oil&#8230;I&#8217;ll bet Bush is storing it in Texas until just the right time when he can light it on fire and burn up anti-war protestors in the flames&#8230;yeah, that&#8217;s the ticket&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=365582', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tulip flowers rose delivery</title>
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		<dc:creator>tulip flowers rose delivery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mythologies superimposes delimited?permissible thanklessness ... Thanks!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mythologies superimposes delimited?permissible thanklessness &#8230; Thanks!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=361438', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: trebor</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2005 06:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now THATâ€™S a lefty idea that Iâ€™m sure the dems will grab on to! Stop fighting the terrorists!&quot;

Why is it that the right-wing idea of a war on terrorism involves everything from stealing Iraq&#039;s oil to flushing our Constitution down the toilet - everything but capturing Osama Bin Laden?  Why do they pretend this is a war on terrorism, when it is obviosly a war on everything BUT terrorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now THATâ€™S a lefty idea that Iâ€™m sure the dems will grab on to! Stop fighting the terrorists!&#8221;</p>
<p>Why is it that the right-wing idea of a war on terrorism involves everything from stealing Iraq&#8217;s oil to flushing our Constitution down the toilet &#8211; everything but capturing Osama Bin Laden?  Why do they pretend this is a war on terrorism, when it is obviosly a war on everything BUT terrorism.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=350425', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: turk fowler</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 21:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jonpall- Now THAT&#039;S a lefty idea that I&#039;m sure the dems will grab on to! Stop fighting the terrorists! Hold their hands...understand them...give them twinkies...give them free long distance and a 10th seat on SCOTUS to show we just want to get along! jonpall is now channeling Carter in a disturbingly accurate way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jonpall- Now THAT&#8217;S a lefty idea that I&#8217;m sure the dems will grab on to! Stop fighting the terrorists! Hold their hands&#8230;understand them&#8230;give them twinkies&#8230;give them free long distance and a 10th seat on SCOTUS to show we just want to get along! jonpall is now channeling Carter in a disturbingly accurate way.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=349242', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jonnpall</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the deal ... You simply create one of those old fashioned &quot;Party Lines&quot; (rotary users may recall) connect those folks fromj SAUDI ARABIA, PAKISTAN, TONY BLAIR, CHENEY et cabal, there by eliminating any need for wiretaps .... boycott cable, always somewhere to begin ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the deal &#8230; You simply create one of those old fashioned &#8220;Party Lines&#8221; (rotary users may recall) connect those folks fromj SAUDI ARABIA, PAKISTAN, TONY BLAIR, CHENEY et cabal, there by eliminating any need for wiretaps &#8230;. boycott cable, always somewhere to begin &#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=325971', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: I Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attack would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: &quot;It&#039;s very goodâ€¦â€¦.Well, it&#039;s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)&quot;  
 
 

The Five Dancing Israelis
Arrested On 9/11





As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question... 

 

...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy.



 
 A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.

The men set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers. (1) 

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming &quot;middle-eastern&quot; men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2) 

&quot;They were like happy, you know â€¦ They didn&#039;t look shocked to me&quot; said a witness. (3)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4) 

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)
 

&quot;It looked like they&#039;re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.&quot; (7) 

One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York&#039;s bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here&#039;s the transcript from NBC News:

Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There&#039;s a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He&#039;s dressed like an Arab. (8) 

(*Writer&#039;s note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these &quot;Arabs&quot; were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not &quot;sheikh uniforms&quot;)
 

  Based on that phone call, police then issued a &quot;Be-on-the-Lookout&quot; alert for a white mini-van heading for the city&#039;s bridges and tunnels from New Jersey. When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious &quot;middle-easterners&quot; were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis! 
According to ABC&#039;s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:
 

&quot;We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem.&quot;(9) 

Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD? 

The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (10)

The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (11) 

The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here&#039;s what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:

American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (12) 

TCM Breaking News reported that the van was laden down with tonnes of explosives (13). 

What&#039;s really intriguing is that ABC&#039;s 20/20 (14), the New York Post (15), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (16) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel. 

But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (17), and Yediot America (18), all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel.

It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating &quot;middle-easterners&quot; in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five. 
Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a &quot;get-away van&quot; to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 &quot;mystery caller&quot;. A classic misdirection play.
 

From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks.

The employee, who declined to give his name said: &quot;I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, &quot;Now America knows what we go through.&quot; (19) 

A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System&#039;s Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System&#039;s customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities (20). 

It was later confirmed that the five detained Israelis were in fact Mossad agents (21). They were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days. (22)

[S]everal of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. 
Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, &quot;The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.&quot; (23)
 

How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11? 

It doesn&#039;t take Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots of the dancing Israeli Mossad agents - here&#039;s the most logical scenario:

1. The Israeli &quot;movers&quot; cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history. 
2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. 

3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices. 

4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis&#039; misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture. 

5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs. 

6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department &quot;higher-ups&quot; are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly.
 

Osama bin Laden was immediately blamed for the 9-11 attacks even though he had no record of doing anything on this scale. Immediately after the Flight 11 hit WTC 1 CIA Director George Tenet said &quot;You know, this has bin Laden&#039;s fingerprints all over it.&quot; ( 24) 

The compliant mainstream media completely ignored the Israeli connection. Immediately following the 9-11 attacks the media was filled with stories linking the attacks to bin Laden. TV talking-heads, &quot;experts&quot;, and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable. 

We were told that the reason bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our &quot;freedom&quot; and &quot;democracy&quot;. The Muslims were &quot;medieval&quot; and they wanted to destroy us because they envied our wealth, were still bitter about the Crusades, and were offended by Britney Spears shaking her tits and ass all over the place! 

But bin Laden strongly denied any role in the 9-11 attacks, and he suggested the attacks were orchestrated by Zionists. The BBC published bin Laden&#039;s statement of denial in which he said:

&quot;I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States.&quot; (25) 

You never heard that quote on your nightly newscast did you?

[A] number of intelligence officials have raised questions about Osama bin Laden&#039;s capabilities. &quot;This guy sits in a cave in Afghanistan and he&#039;s running this operation?&quot; one C.I.A. official asked. &quot;It&#039;s so huge. He couldn&#039;t have done it alone.&quot; A senior military officer told me that because of the visas and other documentation needed to infiltrate team members into the United States a major foreign intelligence service might also have been involved. (26)
 

To date, the only shred of &quot;evidence&quot; to be uncovered against bin Laden is a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just happened to find &quot;lying around&quot; in Afghanistan. How very convenient, and how very fake. (27) 

There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al Qaeda &quot;terrorist network&quot; to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that Zionists have been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America. 

One last thing - at 09:40 a.m. on 9-11 it was reported that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attacks (28). This claim was immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had always opposed &quot;terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside the occupied territories.&quot; (29)

9/11 CNN streamed RealVideo item mentioning a Palestinian claim of responsibility
 

Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people (30) make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for the 9-11 attacks?

Sharon and the other Israeli leaders aspire to fulfill what the goals of the political Zionist movement have been since its origin a century ago: to turn all of historic Palestine into an exclusively Jewish state. A central tenet of the Zionist ideology is expressed in the racist slogan, &quot;A land without people for a people without a land.&quot; (31) 

The implication of Palestinians in the 9-11 attacks would have handed Zionists a golden opportunity to achieve the above because all Palestinians would have been labelled terrorists.
 


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&quot;Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It&#039;s classified information.&quot; 
US official quoted in Carl Cameron&#039;s Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring. 
 
&quot;By way of deception, thou shalt do war&quot;
Motto of the Mossad
 


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See also: 

More suspicious Israeli &#039;Movers&#039; detained with detailed video of Sears Tower
The FBI shut down of Arab Muslim web sites in the days leading up to 9/11
FBI Fury As Men With Nuke Plans, Valid Israeli Passports Escape
Hundreds of Mossad agents caught running wild in America!
Zionist Circles Benefit From WTC Collapse


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attack would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: &#8220;It&#8217;s very goodâ€¦â€¦.Well, it&#8217;s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)&#8221;  </p>
<p>The Five Dancing Israelis<br />
Arrested On 9/11</p>
<p>As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8230;Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy.</p>
<p> A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.</p>
<p>The men set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers. (1) </p>
<p>Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming &#8220;middle-eastern&#8221; men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2) </p>
<p>&#8220;They were like happy, you know â€¦ They didn&#8217;t look shocked to me&#8221; said a witness. (3)</p>
<p>[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4) </p>
<p>Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)</p>
<p>&#8220;It looked like they&#8217;re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.&#8221; (7) </p>
<p>One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York&#8217;s bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here&#8217;s the transcript from NBC News:</p>
<p>Dispatcher: Jersey City police.<br />
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.<br />
Caller: There&#8217;s a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.<br />
Dispatcher: He has what?<br />
Caller: He&#8217;s dressed like an Arab. (8) </p>
<p>(*Writer&#8217;s note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these &#8220;Arabs&#8221; were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not &#8220;sheikh uniforms&#8221;)</p>
<p>  Based on that phone call, police then issued a &#8220;Be-on-the-Lookout&#8221; alert for a white mini-van heading for the city&#8217;s bridges and tunnels from New Jersey. When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious &#8220;middle-easterners&#8221; were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!<br />
According to ABC&#8217;s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:</p>
<p>&#8220;We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem.&#8221;(9) </p>
<p>Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD? </p>
<p>The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (10)</p>
<p>The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (11) </p>
<p>The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here&#8217;s what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:</p>
<p>American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (12) </p>
<p>TCM Breaking News reported that the van was laden down with tonnes of explosives (13). </p>
<p>What&#8217;s really intriguing is that ABC&#8217;s 20/20 (14), the New York Post (15), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (16) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel. </p>
<p>But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (17), and Yediot America (18), all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel.</p>
<p>It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating &#8220;middle-easterners&#8221; in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five.<br />
Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a &#8220;get-away van&#8221; to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 &#8220;mystery caller&#8221;. A classic misdirection play.</p>
<p>From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks.</p>
<p>The employee, who declined to give his name said: &#8220;I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, &#8220;Now America knows what we go through.&#8221; (19) </p>
<p>A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System&#8217;s Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System&#8217;s customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities (20). </p>
<p>It was later confirmed that the five detained Israelis were in fact Mossad agents (21). They were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days. (22)</p>
<p>[S]everal of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.<br />
Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, &#8220;The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.&#8221; (23)</p>
<p>How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11? </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots of the dancing Israeli Mossad agents &#8211; here&#8217;s the most logical scenario:</p>
<p>1. The Israeli &#8220;movers&#8221; cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history.<br />
2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. </p>
<p>3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices. </p>
<p>4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis&#8217; misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture. </p>
<p>5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs. </p>
<p>6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department &#8220;higher-ups&#8221; are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly.</p>
<p>Osama bin Laden was immediately blamed for the 9-11 attacks even though he had no record of doing anything on this scale. Immediately after the Flight 11 hit WTC 1 CIA Director George Tenet said &#8220;You know, this has bin Laden&#8217;s fingerprints all over it.&#8221; ( 24) </p>
<p>The compliant mainstream media completely ignored the Israeli connection. Immediately following the 9-11 attacks the media was filled with stories linking the attacks to bin Laden. TV talking-heads, &#8220;experts&#8221;, and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable. </p>
<p>We were told that the reason bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our &#8220;freedom&#8221; and &#8220;democracy&#8221;. The Muslims were &#8220;medieval&#8221; and they wanted to destroy us because they envied our wealth, were still bitter about the Crusades, and were offended by Britney Spears shaking her tits and ass all over the place! </p>
<p>But bin Laden strongly denied any role in the 9-11 attacks, and he suggested the attacks were orchestrated by Zionists. The BBC published bin Laden&#8217;s statement of denial in which he said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. &#8230; The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States.&#8221; (25) </p>
<p>You never heard that quote on your nightly newscast did you?</p>
<p>[A] number of intelligence officials have raised questions about Osama bin Laden&#8217;s capabilities. &#8220;This guy sits in a cave in Afghanistan and he&#8217;s running this operation?&#8221; one C.I.A. official asked. &#8220;It&#8217;s so huge. He couldn&#8217;t have done it alone.&#8221; A senior military officer told me that because of the visas and other documentation needed to infiltrate team members into the United States a major foreign intelligence service might also have been involved. (26)</p>
<p>To date, the only shred of &#8220;evidence&#8221; to be uncovered against bin Laden is a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just happened to find &#8220;lying around&#8221; in Afghanistan. How very convenient, and how very fake. (27) </p>
<p>There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al Qaeda &#8220;terrorist network&#8221; to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that Zionists have been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America. </p>
<p>One last thing &#8211; at 09:40 a.m. on 9-11 it was reported that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attacks (28). This claim was immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had always opposed &#8220;terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside the occupied territories.&#8221; (29)</p>
<p>9/11 CNN streamed RealVideo item mentioning a Palestinian claim of responsibility</p>
<p>Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people (30) make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for the 9-11 attacks?</p>
<p>Sharon and the other Israeli leaders aspire to fulfill what the goals of the political Zionist movement have been since its origin a century ago: to turn all of historic Palestine into an exclusively Jewish state. A central tenet of the Zionist ideology is expressed in the racist slogan, &#8220;A land without people for a people without a land.&#8221; (31) </p>
<p>The implication of Palestinians in the 9-11 attacks would have handed Zionists a golden opportunity to achieve the above because all Palestinians would have been labelled terrorists.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It&#8217;s classified information.&#8221;<br />
US official quoted in Carl Cameron&#8217;s Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring. </p>
<p>&#8220;By way of deception, thou shalt do war&#8221;<br />
Motto of the Mossad</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>See also: </p>
<p>More suspicious Israeli &#8216;Movers&#8217; detained with detailed video of Sears Tower<br />
The FBI shut down of Arab Muslim web sites in the days leading up to 9/11<br />
FBI Fury As Men With Nuke Plans, Valid Israeli Passports Escape<br />
Hundreds of Mossad agents caught running wild in America!<br />
Zionist Circles Benefit From WTC Collapse</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: Deep Something &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Truth About Bush&#8217;s Warrantless Searches</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deep Something &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Truth About Bush&#8217;s Warrantless Searches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] FACT: DISCLOSURE OF PROGRAM DID NOT UNDERMINE NATIONAL SECURITY: After the New York Times published its story, President Bush and other top administration officials refused to confirm the existence of the surveillance program, arguing that doing so would endanger the American people.&#160;Bush said on Friday he wouldn&#8217;t &quot;comment about the veracity of the story&#8230;because it would compromise our ability to protect the people.&quot; Press Secretary Scott McClellan and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice both repeated this line. Within hours, however, President Bush not only confirmed the existence of the program in a Saturday morning address, but provided details about how it worked. In other words, the administration&#8217;s initial refusal to comment was motivated by public relations, not security, concerns. The scope of surveillance under FISA &#8212; which has long been public &#8212; is the same under President Bush&#8217;s secretive program.FACT: RICE UNABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT GAVE BUSH AUTHORITY TO EAVESDROP WITHOUT WARRANT: Yesterday, Condoleezza Rice was asked a simple question: what is the specific statute or law that gives President Bush the authority to eavesdrop on Americans without a warrant? She had no answer. Instead, Rice referenced unspecified &quot;authorities that derive from his role as Commander in Chief and his need to protect the country,&quot; then explained she was &quot;not a lawyer and I am quite certain that the Attorney General will address a lot of these questions.&quot; Indeed, Rice said several times that she is &quot;not a lawyer.&quot; That fact is irrelevant. Rice was the National Security Adviser when President Bush authorized the NSA program, and said today that she was aware of Bush&#8217;s decision at the time. Shouldn&#8217;t she know why it was legal? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] FACT: DISCLOSURE OF PROGRAM DID NOT UNDERMINE NATIONAL SECURITY: After the New York Times published its story, President Bush and other top administration officials refused to confirm the existence of the surveillance program, arguing that doing so would endanger the American people.&nbsp;Bush said on Friday he wouldn&#8217;t &quot;comment about the veracity of the story&#8230;because it would compromise our ability to protect the people.&quot; Press Secretary Scott McClellan and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice both repeated this line. Within hours, however, President Bush not only confirmed the existence of the program in a Saturday morning address, but provided details about how it worked. In other words, the administration&#8217;s initial refusal to comment was motivated by public relations, not security, concerns. The scope of surveillance under FISA &#8212; which has long been public &#8212; is the same under President Bush&#8217;s secretive program.FACT: RICE UNABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT GAVE BUSH AUTHORITY TO EAVESDROP WITHOUT WARRANT: Yesterday, Condoleezza Rice was asked a simple question: what is the specific statute or law that gives President Bush the authority to eavesdrop on Americans without a warrant? She had no answer. Instead, Rice referenced unspecified &quot;authorities that derive from his role as Commander in Chief and his need to protect the country,&quot; then explained she was &quot;not a lawyer and I am quite certain that the Attorney General will address a lot of these questions.&quot; Indeed, Rice said several times that she is &quot;not a lawyer.&quot; That fact is irrelevant. Rice was the National Security Adviser when President Bush authorized the NSA program, and said today that she was aware of Bush&rsquo;s decision at the time. Shouldn&rsquo;t she know why it was legal? [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=325645', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Niquenaque</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/17/protect-the-people/comment-page-6/#comment-324920</link>
		<dc:creator>Niquenaque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get a load of this:

If you have a look at an article on:

 http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/17450 [why]

http://www.debka-net-weekly.com/?ref=001  [what is happening now]

as I understand it Iran in suggesting the use of the Euro as a main oil 
currency, the US is fearful of the consequences of this.

None of these wars are about a benefit for the populations of either country, 
they are about the benefit of the greedy billionaires who drive the whole 
thing:

http://www.themoneymasters.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get a load of this:</p>
<p>If you have a look at an article on:</p>
<p> <a href="http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/17450" rel="nofollow">http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/17450</a> [why]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.debka-net-weekly.com/?ref=001" rel="nofollow">http://www.debka-net-weekly.com/?ref=001</a>  [what is happening now]</p>
<p>as I understand it Iran in suggesting the use of the Euro as a main oil<br />
currency, the US is fearful of the consequences of this.</p>
<p>None of these wars are about a benefit for the populations of either country,<br />
they are about the benefit of the greedy billionaires who drive the whole<br />
thing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.themoneymasters.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.themoneymasters.com/</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=324920', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Liverpool</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/17/protect-the-people/comment-page-6/#comment-324688</link>
		<dc:creator>Liverpool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 10:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Listen all people you are responsible by buying American Goods -- Please Botcott them . like most of us worldwide You cannot blame America if you still by their industrial products&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;-&lt;/strong&gt; You produce over 25% of the worlds carbondioxide emmissions. For 4.6% of the population thatâ€™s quite an achievement.&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;DO NOT BUY UNTIL THEY SIGN KYOTO AGGREEMENT&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><em>Listen all people you are responsible by buying American Goods &#8212; Please Botcott them . like most of us worldwide You cannot blame America if you still by their industrial products</em> </strong><strong>-</strong> You produce over 25% of the worlds carbondioxide emmissions. For 4.6% of the population thatâ€™s quite an achievement.<strong></strong><strong>DO NOT BUY UNTIL THEY SIGN KYOTO AGGREEMENT</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=324688', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Liverpool</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/17/protect-the-people/comment-page-6/#comment-324605</link>
		<dc:creator>Liverpool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 09:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monday, December 19 2005. Today the Islamic Army posted a video that, according to them, contains the execution of American ...Why ??Foreign Policy

Susanne Osthoff, the German woman taken hostage in Iraq, has been freed, Germanyâ€™s foreign minister says.Must have a decent honest foreign policy i think not like some WAKE UP SMELL THE COFFEE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monday, December 19 2005. Today the Islamic Army posted a video that, according to them, contains the execution of American &#8230;Why ??Foreign Policy</p>
<p>Susanne Osthoff, the German woman taken hostage in Iraq, has been freed, Germanyâ€™s foreign minister says.Must have a decent honest foreign policy i think not like some WAKE UP SMELL THE COFFEE<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=324605', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Progressive Team Leader</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/17/protect-the-people/comment-page-6/#comment-322908</link>
		<dc:creator>Progressive Team Leader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blits?

LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blits?</p>
<p>LOL!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=322908', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Progressive Team Leader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Progressive Team Leader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop Feeding The Trolls! They are here out of desperation. They are defeated and irrelevant. And welcome to the many refugees from the GOP. Welcome to liberal/progressive politics and until something better comes along, the Democratic party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop Feeding The Trolls! They are here out of desperation. They are defeated and irrelevant. And welcome to the many refugees from the GOP. Welcome to liberal/progressive politics and until something better comes along, the Democratic party.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=322901', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard the European</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/17/protect-the-people/comment-page-6/#comment-322751</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard the European</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 00:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One last thing, so I can sleep peacefully.
What State are you from Mighty Aphrodite? You haven&#039;t said and I haven&#039;t assumed.
What European country am I from? I haven&#039;t said but you have assumed.
I am European. My teeth are pretty good and I have lived in three different countries in Europe and worked in six.
nothing special about that. Just your assumption that I am English.
Buenos noches, schlaf gut, enjoy your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last thing, so I can sleep peacefully.<br />
What State are you from Mighty Aphrodite? You haven&#8217;t said and I haven&#8217;t assumed.<br />
What European country am I from? I haven&#8217;t said but you have assumed.<br />
I am European. My teeth are pretty good and I have lived in three different countries in Europe and worked in six.<br />
nothing special about that. Just your assumption that I am English.<br />
Buenos noches, schlaf gut, enjoy your life.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=322751', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard the European</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard the European</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah - Mighty Aphrodite
I&#039;ve just realized how dumb you are. Sorry, didn&#039;t notice it before.
What I meant about the people who wished your ancestors had not left Europe was, that the people who already lived there - The Native North Americans - Indians if you need me really to spell it out would have preferred it had you stayed in Europe. The ones that got wiped out were true Americans. The ones that are left are true Americans. So they certainly aren&#039;t glad your ancestors left Europe. Do you get it now? 
Oh and another thing. If a city is dirty you can clean it up. Lot of that going on in Europe at the moment, looks nice, come and have a look. But if you f--k the atmosphere up, and the weather, no amount of cleaning makes it right. It has nothing to do with dirt. And you don&#039;t produce 25% of the world&#039;s goods, unless you exclude food and other basic materials of life. You produce over 25% of the worlds carbondioxide emmissions. For 4.6% of the population that&#039;s quite an achievement.
Now I really must leave you, hard as it is to part. 
Wake me up when you&#039;ve got rid of Bush, I have to go to work in the morning. Shouldn&#039;t take you that long really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8211; Mighty Aphrodite<br />
I&#8217;ve just realized how dumb you are. Sorry, didn&#8217;t notice it before.<br />
What I meant about the people who wished your ancestors had not left Europe was, that the people who already lived there &#8211; The Native North Americans &#8211; Indians if you need me really to spell it out would have preferred it had you stayed in Europe. The ones that got wiped out were true Americans. The ones that are left are true Americans. So they certainly aren&#8217;t glad your ancestors left Europe. Do you get it now?<br />
Oh and another thing. If a city is dirty you can clean it up. Lot of that going on in Europe at the moment, looks nice, come and have a look. But if you f&#8211;k the atmosphere up, and the weather, no amount of cleaning makes it right. It has nothing to do with dirt. And you don&#8217;t produce 25% of the world&#8217;s goods, unless you exclude food and other basic materials of life. You produce over 25% of the worlds carbondioxide emmissions. For 4.6% of the population that&#8217;s quite an achievement.<br />
Now I really must leave you, hard as it is to part.<br />
Wake me up when you&#8217;ve got rid of Bush, I have to go to work in the morning. Shouldn&#8217;t take you that long really.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=322693', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mighty aphrodite</title>
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		<dc:creator>mighty aphrodite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#272 - Dear Dick - Thank you for addressing ONE point of my refutation of your &quot;opinions&quot; - You have confirmed your intellectual laziness.  
No - you are in NO way related to me - THANK GOD!! 
The rest of your redundant scribbles are tedious and repetitious.....yawn....zzzzzzz.....

P.S. I&#039;ll allow you to maintain your smug demeanor when you are no longer known as a country with deplorable teeth and poor dental hygiene.  No wonder you guys maintain that &quot;stiff upper lip&quot;!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#272 &#8211; Dear Dick &#8211; Thank you for addressing ONE point of my refutation of your &#8220;opinions&#8221; &#8211; You have confirmed your intellectual laziness.<br />
No &#8211; you are in NO way related to me &#8211; THANK GOD!!<br />
The rest of your redundant scribbles are tedious and repetitious&#8230;..yawn&#8230;.zzzzzzz&#8230;..</p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;ll allow you to maintain your smug demeanor when you are no longer known as a country with deplorable teeth and poor dental hygiene.  No wonder you guys maintain that &#8220;stiff upper lip&#8221;!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=322684', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard the European</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard the European</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah - Mighty Aphrodite
It seems I ruffled your feathers. Very satisfying.
As a European I am allowed to be patronizing. You see, we &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; your fathers! 
More seriously, take a good long look at what you wrote and try thinking about it. It&#039;s not going to be easy because most of it is rubbish. For instance, Neville Chamberlain got it wrong and most of the people didn&#039;t agree with his approach. That is why he got thrown out in a democratic process. Its easy. Now do it with your president.
And if you find it patronizing, me admitting that we got it seriously wrong for many hundred years, killed millions upon millions of people for no purpose than to follow the whims of megalomaniacal leaders, and only in the last fifty years have come anywhere close to getting it right, then you have a serious problem. But the events of 1989-1991 in Europe were an example of people getting it right and you should be sharp enough to learn from it whether you are American, European or whatever. Just because someone who is not from your country criticises you and points out there are examples from outside your country of how to get it right doesn&#039;t mean theyre being patronizing. In most parts of the world, including the USA its normally called constructive criticism. But it seems your leaders can&#039;t take that either. Are you just copying them? Do you want to be a leader?
Well goodnight. It&#039;s past midnight here and my dog and my home need me. Obviously you do too, to ruffle your feathers. But you&#039;re a long way from here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah &#8211; Mighty Aphrodite<br />
It seems I ruffled your feathers. Very satisfying.<br />
As a European I am allowed to be patronizing. You see, we <em>are</em> your fathers!<br />
More seriously, take a good long look at what you wrote and try thinking about it. It&#8217;s not going to be easy because most of it is rubbish. For instance, Neville Chamberlain got it wrong and most of the people didn&#8217;t agree with his approach. That is why he got thrown out in a democratic process. Its easy. Now do it with your president.<br />
And if you find it patronizing, me admitting that we got it seriously wrong for many hundred years, killed millions upon millions of people for no purpose than to follow the whims of megalomaniacal leaders, and only in the last fifty years have come anywhere close to getting it right, then you have a serious problem. But the events of 1989-1991 in Europe were an example of people getting it right and you should be sharp enough to learn from it whether you are American, European or whatever. Just because someone who is not from your country criticises you and points out there are examples from outside your country of how to get it right doesn&#8217;t mean theyre being patronizing. In most parts of the world, including the USA its normally called constructive criticism. But it seems your leaders can&#8217;t take that either. Are you just copying them? Do you want to be a leader?<br />
Well goodnight. It&#8217;s past midnight here and my dog and my home need me. Obviously you do too, to ruffle your feathers. But you&#8217;re a long way from here&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=322590', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Adolfo Hitler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adolfo Hitler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dubya is a horses ass---look out! there&#039;s a terrorist Quaker behind you!===When will the repubs &amp; dems finally drag the bush bastard out from under his bed, into the street and change the locks on the whitehouse doors. Bush is a filthy criminal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dubya is a horses ass&#8212;look out! there&#8217;s a terrorist Quaker behind you!===When will the repubs &amp; dems finally drag the bush bastard out from under his bed, into the street and change the locks on the whitehouse doors. Bush is a filthy criminal.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=322468', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/17/protect-the-people/comment-page-6/#comment-322452</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The presence of people like MightyA, Tank, Kevin, wwallace and the reprehensible and unAmerican fascist I-Right-I in this thread have turned much of it into a waste of time and bandwidth.
I&#039;m going back to dKos where such scum can be trollrated out of substantive discussion.

See ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The presence of people like MightyA, Tank, Kevin, wwallace and the reprehensible and unAmerican fascist I-Right-I in this thread have turned much of it into a waste of time and bandwidth.<br />
I&#8217;m going back to dKos where such scum can be trollrated out of substantive discussion.</p>
<p>See ya.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=322452', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mighty aphrodite</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/17/protect-the-people/comment-page-6/#comment-322233</link>
		<dc:creator>mighty aphrodite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhhhhhhhh- Mr. European - Loose the patronizing, superior attitude - it reinforces my opinion.
***&quot;First he is Mike not Muke. His comments were moronic as you implied...&quot;  
Actually, I was exceedingly polite - I wanted to address him as &quot;Puke&quot;.  &#039;As I implied&#039;???? - I didn&#039;t &#039;imply&#039; ANYTHING - I stated, period.

*** &quot;His anger and wish for change are however generally felt.&quot;  
OK - make up your mind. Which is it - is Muke a Moron? Or is Muke correct?  I hope not everybody in your neck of the woods is this wishy-washy!!

*** &quot;....we did get rid of Neville Chamberlain because he got it so stupidly wrong.&quot; 
But not before the majority gave a great BIG sigh of relief and ate up the myth that Hitler could be trusted!

*** &quot;We did deserve it in that sense,...&quot; 
NOBODY deserved the bombings you endured in  WWII (or recent subway bombings) and no one deserved to be murdered by barbarians on 9/11 -  but, you&#039;re ALIVE to make your grand and sweeping pronouncements - you have unwittingly reinforced my impression that members of the political Left are the most arrogant, smug, lazy bunch of people. 
*** &quot;there are a lot of americans who wish your ancestors hadnâ€™t left Europe - almost all of the ones who were living there already.&quot;  You&#039;re right - the 30% of Dems, progressives, leftists and leeches really wish they were still in europe.  Of course, we&#039;re talking about a lazy group of people who have NEVER met an entitlement or social welfare program they did not love.  These are generally the people who are the last to arrive at their place of employment, (if they have a job) whine the whole time they&#039;re there and are the first to leave.  About those people - you&#039;re welcome to them - they&#039;re useless.

Then to wrap up your critique you exhort us to do SOMETHING - what, be like europeans???? NO thanks!!!! 

P.S.  Climate change- hmmmm....reminds me of Manchester and Liverpool - dirty, filthy cities!!  Why don&#039;t you take you show to India, Bangladesh and then straighten out those Chinese manufacturers.  Seem s like you have your work cut out for you.  You stupidly regurgitate Lefty talking points, forgetting that the US, which only has 5% of the population yet uses 25% of the resources PRODUCES 25 % of the world&#039;s goods.  Grow up!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhhhhhhhh- Mr. European &#8211; Loose the patronizing, superior attitude &#8211; it reinforces my opinion.<br />
***&#8221;First he is Mike not Muke. His comments were moronic as you implied&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Actually, I was exceedingly polite &#8211; I wanted to address him as &#8220;Puke&#8221;.  &#8216;As I implied&#8217;???? &#8211; I didn&#8217;t &#8216;imply&#8217; ANYTHING &#8211; I stated, period.</p>
<p>*** &#8220;His anger and wish for change are however generally felt.&#8221;<br />
OK &#8211; make up your mind. Which is it &#8211; is Muke a Moron? Or is Muke correct?  I hope not everybody in your neck of the woods is this wishy-washy!!</p>
<p>*** &#8220;&#8230;.we did get rid of Neville Chamberlain because he got it so stupidly wrong.&#8221;<br />
But not before the majority gave a great BIG sigh of relief and ate up the myth that Hitler could be trusted!</p>
<p>*** &#8220;We did deserve it in that sense,&#8230;&#8221;<br />
NOBODY deserved the bombings you endured in  WWII (or recent subway bombings) and no one deserved to be murdered by barbarians on 9/11 &#8211;  but, you&#8217;re ALIVE to make your grand and sweeping pronouncements &#8211; you have unwittingly reinforced my impression that members of the political Left are the most arrogant, smug, lazy bunch of people.<br />
*** &#8220;there are a lot of americans who wish your ancestors hadnâ€™t left Europe &#8211; almost all of the ones who were living there already.&#8221;  You&#8217;re right &#8211; the 30% of Dems, progressives, leftists and leeches really wish they were still in europe.  Of course, we&#8217;re talking about a lazy group of people who have NEVER met an entitlement or social welfare program they did not love.  These are generally the people who are the last to arrive at their place of employment, (if they have a job) whine the whole time they&#8217;re there and are the first to leave.  About those people &#8211; you&#8217;re welcome to them &#8211; they&#8217;re useless.</p>
<p>Then to wrap up your critique you exhort us to do SOMETHING &#8211; what, be like europeans???? NO thanks!!!! </p>
<p>P.S.  Climate change- hmmmm&#8230;.reminds me of Manchester and Liverpool &#8211; dirty, filthy cities!!  Why don&#8217;t you take you show to India, Bangladesh and then straighten out those Chinese manufacturers.  Seem s like you have your work cut out for you.  You stupidly regurgitate Lefty talking points, forgetting that the US, which only has 5% of the population yet uses 25% of the resources PRODUCES 25 % of the world&#8217;s goods.  Grow up!!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=322233', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: liberal no more</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/17/protect-the-people/comment-page-6/#comment-322205</link>
		<dc:creator>liberal no more</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will libertrolls.</description>
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