Bush Scores Victory Over Straw Man
By on Dec 18th, 2005 at 9:08 pm
Bush Scores Victory Over Straw Man
Bush tonight:
If you think the terrorists would become peaceful if only America would stop provoking them, then it might make sense to leave them alone.
Who, exactly, thinks terrorists will become peaceful?
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This is an unbelievable statement!!
December 18th, 2005 at 9:12 pm??????? You have got to be kidding.
December 18th, 2005 at 9:18 pmThis statement, on the surface, is bait. However, one of the questions goes unaddressed with an obvious silence, year after year, is “why do they hate us?” Pulling threads together, it appears quite obvious, and it has to do with the linkage between foreign policy, corporate interest, and militarism in this country. Does anyone think that Osama and others simply and suddenly woke up one morning and decided to hate the U.S.? Seems unlikely.
On the other hand, consider that since we invaded Iraq, we moved our military bases out of Saudi Arabia, as Osama & others wanted, and now we have them in Iraq, where the Iraqis don’t want them, either. (Remember the de-emphasized declaration by the provisional Iraqi government pursuant to the recent Cairo conference in which they declared we should leave Iraq?) When Saddam enquired as to our position regarding his impending invasion of Kuwait to redress his grievances against their alledged slant drilling into his oil fields, our response was that we had no position on the matter. Now we have permanent bases in Kuwait.
December 18th, 2005 at 9:24 pmRight on Greg!
If the terrorists hate us so much and want to hurt us, I wonder why Bubble boy shows absolutely no concern for the wherabouts of Bin Laden.
Afterall Bin Laden did take responsibilty for killing 3000 American’s.
How many American’s did Saddam Hussein kill? I forget.
December 18th, 2005 at 9:33 pmBush IS his own straw man. Bush is the terrorist and he is clearly in capable of peace.
December 18th, 2005 at 9:37 pmWe are leaving them alone.
But a good way to test this theory, is to try actually going after the terrorists.
December 18th, 2005 at 9:48 pmAnd rove is in the red slippers wishing he was back home in TexaKansas.
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December 18th, 2005 at 9:59 pmLOL
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And wwwwallace, IRI, Randy, Tank and Mighty Afro are the flying monkey army…
December 18th, 2005 at 10:04 pmI worked as a counter terrorism intelligence anaylst for a few years in the late 80’s and early 90’s. One thing I learned about terrorism is that it is inherently fickle. Terrorists have their own agenda and it is hard to understand the root cause. BUT… then sometimes it’s not. When the US supports, condones, and even takes part in the subjegation of people simply because it is in Israel’s alleged interest someone in an Arab country is going to get pissed. Pissed off people strike out, especially if they feel that their family was killed for selfish and imperialistic reasons. When the USA makes claims that she is all about liberty and freedom, yet supports oppressive governments we become a “natural” target. We would have less terrorists wanting to do us harm if we practiced a law that many of the Right say they believe… “Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.”
December 18th, 2005 at 10:26 pmDoes anyone think that Osama and others simply and suddenly woke up one morning and decided to hate the U.S.? Seems unlikely.
I agree it’s unlikely … however, your statement is a lot like the “she wored a tight short skirt … she should expect to be raped”. If it’s total nonsense in that case, it is total nonsense here. Don’t try to legitmize terrorism (or the grievances of thos who engage in it) by projecting your opinions of Americas ills (foreign policy, corporate interest, and militarism) … if that argument has merit, then the USA couls use the same argument. We don’t like Iraqs foreign policy, oil interests, and human rights … so we invade them. Your attempt to legitimize the terrorists comments on our shortcomings can be used to legitimize all tht’s purportedly wron with our invasion of Iraq … can’t you see this?
When Saddam enquired as to our position regarding his impending invasion of Kuwait to redress his grievances against their alledged slant drilling into his oil fields, our response was that we had no position on the matter.
Let me get this straight … you post a statement that, at the very least, marginally validates Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait (in other vernacular, a “war of aggression over oil) but … one of the main agruments/complaints I read here DAILY is that our Iraq war is a “war of aggression over oil”. This sounds like speaking out of both sides of ones mouth.
I wonder why Bubble boy shows absolutely no concern for the wherabouts of Bin Laden.
To assume that because we haven’t found him (some say we have … killed him … and hide it to avoid “martyrdom” on his part … I disagree) we aren’t looking is dumb. I agree that perhaps we could allocate more troops to this if not for Iraq … why would Bush stop looking when, in finding him, he could have a 20 point jump in approval ratings?
December 19th, 2005 at 9:43 amNice try Geo, but not quite a valid rejoinder. While your ‘blaming the victim’ is valid, I don’t know that anybody here has ‘legitimized’ terrorism. And to say we shouldn’t acknowledge their grievances sounds awfully head in the sandish. As far as OBL goes, the whole point here is that Bush decided to take the target off Osama. Remember it was Bush who said he really doesn’t think/care about Osama anymore.
December 19th, 2005 at 9:55 am#11 Giacomo, did you know that the United States Government trained Al Qaeda to fight against Iran? If you teach people violence to solve their conflicts, then how can you even expect them to use civility? We taught them to use extreme violence to solve conflicts. What else can we expect when they have a conflict with us but the very violence we taught them? We brought this upon ourselves. We are not innocent. There are many countries who have higher standards of living than we do who are not being attacked. Why don’t you see that?
December 19th, 2005 at 3:56 pm(…)however, your statement is a lot like the “she wored a tight short skirt … she should expect to be rapedâ€. (…)
Comment by Giacomo — December 19, 2005 @ 9:43 am
No, it isn’t. At all. As horrible and wrong as the attacks were, Bin Laden’s grievance is a legitimate one, namely, the presence of foreign troops in Saudi Arabia. As a matter of fact, that one of the main goals of AlQaeda is to rid Saudi Arabia of American military presence has long been acknowledged in US military and diplomatic circles, and has also been widely reported:
In 2004, the Saudi-based al-Qa’ida network and associated extremists launched at least 11 attacks, killing over 60 people, including six Americans, and wounding more than 225 in Saudi Arabia. Focused on targets associated with US and Western presence and Saudi security forces in Riyadh, Yanbu, Jeddah, and Dhahran.
Terrorist Group Profiles
(…)by complete mutual agreement between the U.S. and the Saudi government we can now remove almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It’s been a huge recruiting device for al Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina.
Paul Wolfowitz interview with Vanity Fair, May 2003
Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for bombing the American embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. The attacks killed hundreds of people and coincided with the anniversary of the first deployment of U.S. troops to Saudi Arabia in 1990. The U.S. troop commitment to Saudi Arabia has been one of the central motives behind al-Qaeda’s attacks against the United States.
Do Al-Qaeda’s East Africa Operations Pose a Threat to U.S. Interests?
One of bin Laden’s main grievances was the presence of U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia, where the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medina are located. The U.S. withdrew from these bases in 2003, stating that they were no longer necessary for their campaign in Iraq - raising concerns that they had capitulated to bin Laden’s demands in an effort to stem attacks against US targets.
December 19th, 2005 at 4:43 pmOsama bin Laden
Ah, but this ‘provoking’ gets back to the six or seven points originally made by OBL: that we are mucking about in their part of the world, supporting corrupt regimes, favoring Isreal over Palestine, keeping troups near holy sites, and so on. Try putting that shoe on the other foot!
December 19th, 2005 at 6:05 pmWell, someone who seems to believe so is Rep. Murtha. Below are quotes from an interview by Village Voice:
That sounds to me that he actually believes that “the minute we’re gone, the war will be over”. The implication is that peace will break out, “the minutes we’re gone”. For that to happen the current terrorists/insurgents/freedom fighters/thugs (take your pick) would have to turn peaceful.
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I didn’t agree with you first, but last paragraph makes sense for me
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