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Former Intel Chairman Graham: White House Made ‘No Reference’ to NSA Program In Briefings

This morning, Condoleezza Rice defended the NSA evesdropping program by arguing that congressional leaders — specifically “leaders of the relevant oversight intelligence committees” — had been briefed on the activities.

RICE: It’s been reviewed not just by the White House counsel but by the lawyers of the Justice Department and by the lawyers of the NSA, the National Security Agency, and by the Inspector General of the National Security Agency, and it has to be reauthorized every 45 days. And the Congress, the congressional leaders, including —

RUSSERT: Those are administration lawyers. Why not go to an objective court?

RICE: — including leaders of the relevant oversight intelligence committees have been briefed on this.

This is apparently not true. At the time the program was initiated, the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee was former Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL). On Friday’s “Nightline,” Graham made clear he had never once been briefed by the administration about the program:

There was no reference made to the fact that we were going to…begin unwarranted, illegal — and I think unconstitutional — eavesdropping on American citizens.

Read the full Graham transcript:

ABC: You were Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time the President signed this executive order. Vice President Cheney met with congressional leaders — I’m sure you were among them in 2002, is that correct?

GRAHAM: There was such a meeting. And the issue, then, was whether we could intercept foreign communications when they transited through U.S. communication sites. The assumption was that if we did that, we would do it pursuant to the law, the law that regulates the surveillance of national security issues. And there was no suggestion that we were going to begin eavesdropping on United States citizens without following the full law.

ABC: You’re saying you were not briefed as the Chairman of the Intelligence Committee at the point the President signed this?

GRAHAM: I was briefed. There was no reference made to the fact that we were going to use that as the subterfuge to begin unwarranted, illegal — and I think unconstitutional — eavesdropping on American citizens.

ABC: So if the administration says that you were informed about this action, they would not be telling the truth?

GRAHAM: We were not informed that this would be a pretense for using warrantless searchs to listen in to the private conversations of United States citizens.

ABC: Sounds like you were saying you were lied to.

GRAHAM: I think there has been a selective use of information to build a case that was already determined, rather than using intelligence for its intended purpose, which is to improve the decision-making process on a judgment that has not yet been determined.



267 Responses to “Former Intel Chairman Graham: White House Made ‘No Reference’ to NSA Program In Briefings”

  1. Feckless Media says:

    Can you say, “Impeach?”


  2. Innocent Bystander says:

    Condi’s a liar? I’m shocked.

    The next Condi defense: “No one knew that they’d use be breaking the law spying on American citizens.”


  3. unbelievable says:

    By now, wouldn’t you think they’d collaborate on their lies before going on a pre-scheduled talk show? This extemporaneous lying isn’t working so well.


  4. gun toting liberal says:

    I’ve been saying for a while in this forum that the President and his upper echelon have become clinically psychotic in their reality testing and reasoning. This just adds strength to my argument.

    Read my thoughts on the matter plus other political musings at http://www.guntotingliberal.blogspot.com if you’re curious.
    I’d love to read your comments.


  5. wwallace says:

    Wow, Nico found a partisan hack to lie about the administration. Shocking!


  6. Zookeeper says:

    And Condi’s no partisan hack, right wwallace?



  7. Granite State Destroyer says:

    Dear America,

    Thank you for helping to insert my ideological and spiritual bretheren into the heart of the most oil rich region of the world. May we work in unity and peace and may WE be the ones to establish the cost of oil and the destination of the oil that America and Europe need to survive.

    We are very happy that the Shia list has won and the relgious Shia will now rule Iran and Iraq.

    Your old friend,

    The Ghost of Ayatollah Khomeini


  8. Punchy says:

    Now here we go–every Dem leader will claim “we weren’t told”, every Repub leader will spew “we were told”. He said, she said. I find it hard to believe there wasnt a transcript of these meetings. The fact the Admin hasn’t trotted them out leads me to believe the Admin is the one lying….


  9. wwallace says:

    “The fact the Admin hasn’t trotted them out leads me to believe the Admin is the one lying….”

    Yeah, right, no one would complain if the administration released transcripts of meetings in which highly classified national security matters were discussed. LOL


  10. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    This moron should just cut his wrists along with the libertroll party.


  11. TJM says:

    Actually, what Graham said makes perfect sense but a careful read of what Condi said shows that she didn’t “lie”. They’re both right in a limited view. Graham explained it perfectly. Congress presumed that whatever information was being gathered was being done so legally and Condi never said that the Congress was told the information was gathered without a warrant.


  12. Truthteller says:

    Wow, fancy wwwallace defending every last thing coming out of this administration, no matter how treacherous, no matter how fictitious, no matter how unconstitutional. Some might call you a “PARTISAN HACK”!!! This administration is addicted to abuse of power, and you wwwallace are what we call an enabler.


  13. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    What about Sandy burgler stealing important papers from the arcives kill hinm.


  14. wwallace says:

    Lieteller, #14, is a partisan hack.


  15. Keith O=Liar says:

    I DARE Democrats to press this. You will be pinned as the terrorist sympathizing lot that you are. #17 – you are anti-American and undeniably proven partisan hack and LIAR.

    Bob Graham is a liar, but more importantly is irrelevant. The GOP can subponea his journal and see in fact, if he was ever told about these wiretappings.

    It is beyond the pale for liberals to criticize Bush’s immediate post-9/11 actions when they did nothing but trash him for not doing anything to prevent him. There is a special place in hell for you treasonous folks.


  16. Keith O=Liar says:

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  17. unbelievable says:

    #19

    Oh, we don’t believe in Hell… except for having to read your posts.

    Hurts that it’s all falling apart, doesn’t it?


  18. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    If the bomb fits blow it.


  19. Keith O=Liar says:

    #21 – the only thing falling apart is liberalism as we know it. The GOP will remain in control until Democrats stop living in denial and accept that America is at war.


  20. unbelievable says:

    #20 We wouldn’t have enemies if it weren’t for the war mongering of the neo-conservatives. Remember, we hippies believe in peace. Nobody (sane) hates that.

    Remember, the terrorists flew planes into the phallic symbol of fascist Corporate America, not into the Height-Ashbury District in San Francisco. You might wanna go mull that one over a while…


  21. Jesus Christ God of War says:

    Defenders of clearly illegal unlawful actions – get a grip!

    What Bush did and has been doing since he stole office has lead him to be the MOST failed President in the history of the US.

    Unlawful actions should, if this were a true democracy (which it’s not, but that’s a topic for another time) must lead to time spent in jail by those who committed the unlawful actions.

    If we feel soooooo proud and dutybound to spread democracy around the world (including to oil laden places that did not have WMD or anything to do with 9/11), then perhaps as a nation we should practice what we preach. Spying on one’s own citizens makes this Administration NO BETTER than Germany’s Hilter or anyone we riled against during the rise and fall of the Soviet Union.


  22. unbelievable says:

    #23

    Wow, “They” say that denial is the drug of choice, seems that “They” were right again…

    Bush’s approval rating is 38%. That is NOT the majority. Do you understand?


  23. afterthought says:

    Wow. Rove must be paying extra for
    all the trolls today. Do they get
    time and a half or did “Commander Codpiece”
    eliminate the extra cost?
    Looks like Chimpy may have pissed-off
    REAL conservatives thus time.
    That spells trouble.
    Pretty obvious law breaking this time.
    Guess that’s what pushed for the extra
    troll charge today I suppose.


  24. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    Read the new polls idiot its 50% morons.


  25. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    You mean libertrolls?


  26. wwallace says:

    “We wouldn’t have enemies if it weren’t for the war mongering of the neo-conservatives.”

    Yeah, but don’t question liberal’s patriotism!

    Just for kicks, why don’t you explain exactly what “neo-con war mongering” caused all the terrorist attacks in Clinton’s term?


  27. unbelievable says:

    #30

    What, 50% of morons approve of Bush? You’re really down on that count as well. he usually scores higher with morons.

    Must be down to like 30% of average people by now.


  28. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

  29. afterthought says:

    Gee #32,

    Back to Clinton already?
    Must not have any excuse for Chimpy law-breaking.


  30. wwallace says:

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  31. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    Its a well known fact that the libertrolls hate the Military just ask john kerry and dick turbin shummer nasty polosi baroc osama and the drunk killer kennedy.


  32. Keith O=Liar says:

    #28 – what poll has Bush at 38%? Whatever trouble Bush is not as serious as having the commie left in charge. They hate this country. The comment in #25 proves it – you people HATE AMERICA and will not rest until we surrender in the War on Terror.


  33. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

  34. unbelievable says:

    #32

    You have heard of Ronald Reagan, and George H.W. Bush haven’t you?

    I mean, that is YOUR theory here.

    I’m not patriotic. I think invisible boundaries and wars over crossing them are assinine. I don’t say the pledge of allegiance, because that’s too fascist for me, and it violates seperation of church and state. And, unlike your blind allegience to a sinking Titanic, I won’t defend the Democrats when they break the law. I’m an Independent.


  35. afterthought says:

    #36,

    A distinction without a difference.
    Wing-nuts always bring up Clinton when
    they have no argument.


  36. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    I wonder if clinton got blowjobs from sandy burgler?


  37. afterthought says:

    So wing-nuts,

    Want to explain why you hate the bill of rights
    so much?
    If Chimpy pulls the 2nd amendment will you
    just as happy?


  38. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    We dont hate that just you morons.


  39. wisedup says:

    SPYGATE….straw=camels back=end of bushie. Condi ‘I’m not a lawyer’..over and over,squirming badly because she knows this spying is against the law. Impeach or lose America. I don’t respond to trolls.


  40. Keith O=Liar says:

    #40 you are disgusting and un-American. You should be forced to live in Tehran since you hate your country so much.


  41. afterthought says:

    “We dont hate that just you morons.”

    Converse in English much?


  42. wwallace says:

    “Wing-nuts always bring up Clinton when
    they have no argument.”

    True, Democrats bring him up often.


  43. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

  44. unbelievable says:

    #38

    Considering your screen name contains the word ‘liar’…

    Lemme see if I follow you. We want to get along with the world so that no one flies planes into our buildings or attacks our consulates and that makes us anti-American. You want to wage war with the world to ensure that more innocent civilians and brave soldiers die, and that makes you American. Is that it? You’re nuts.

    The reality is that you’re just in here mud-slinging because your precious party is being broken up by the police and you can’t handle it.


  45. afterthought says:

    Well,

    It seems the trolls have regressed to 5th
    grade. Not much point talking to them anymore.


  46. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

  47. Keith O=Liar says:

    #51 – dream on. The only people in trouble are Democrats and their al-LIES in the MSM.

    Who would you rather be President – Sadam or George W?


  48. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    You know they want sadam


  49. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

  50. unbelievable says:

    #47

    Being thousands of miles away from you is appealing… but considering you’re probably on the verge of a heart attack, I’ll wait it out.

    Impeachment is in the air, and you know it.


  51. liberal no more says:

  52. TJM says:

    I think most people feel as Keith does, GW and Saddam would be indistinguishable while awaiting trial. Both make good ex-presidents.


  53. afterthought says:

    I wonder how Chimpy will play this now
    that it is clear only a small part of
    his brain-dead base supports such an obvious
    betrayal of the constitution?
    Will he say mistakes were made?
    Try to justify something so clearly
    over-the-top?
    Go cut brush at the “dude racnch”?


  54. liberal no more says:

    Zell Miller for President.


  55. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    Now this man makes sence.


  56. Keith O=Liar says:

    #57 – please try to impeach Bush. That will be met with a political force you have never seen before.

    The GOP will have a voice vote on impeachment before the mid-terms. Democrats will run scared from it as usual. They are such cowards.


  57. unbelievable says:

    #54

    The Dems are in trouble? Yo do know that The Onion is satire, don’t you? Give me some examples of the Democrats being in trouble…

    Saddam or George? That’s not a choice. They are equals.


  58. afterthought says:

    “Now this man makes sence.”

    Still working on that English thing, yes?


  59. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    dont forget slobber lip mathues


  60. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

  61. unbelievable says:

    #63

    Now this man makes sence.

    You mean sense? Ask Santa for a dictionary, and a first grade reader.


  62. afterthought says:

    “dont forget slobber lip mathues”

    Still working on that English thing, yes?


  63. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    after thought thats what ran down your daddys leg


  64. unbelievable says:

    #69 dont forget slobber lip mathues

    #70 no cryen ryan

    Oh, he’s drunk…


  65. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    God Bless the Honorable George W. Bush and God Bless the Republican Party.


  66. Granite State Destroyer says:

    The Bush/Rove Bully Machine is even alienating our allies in the hemisphere.

    (Snip)

    “BOGOTA, Colombia – Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, one of Washington’s best friends in South America, told the United States to stop “meddling” in his country’s affairs after the U.S. ambassador urged him to take steps against corruption in regional elections.”

    In Europe, Germans want to know why the US has devolvedinto behaving like mobsters by paying “hush money” to innocent victims of abduction and torture by the Bush/Rove/Cheney KGB.

    (Snip)

    “BERLIN (Reuters) – German politicians expressed surprise on Thursday at reported U.S. comments that Washington had apologized and paid money to a German citizen it abducted to Afghanistan and held for months as a terrorist suspect.”

    Even long time and traditional regional allies are being put-off by the bullying and intrusive American policies.

    (Snip)

    “RICHMOND, British Columbia (Reuters) – Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin escalated a war of words with the United States on Wednesday, telling Washington not to dictate to him what topics he can raise in the run-up to Canada’s January 23 election.

    But U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins, who warned Canadian politicians on Tuesday not to bash the United States as part of their campaigning, denied on Wednesday he was trying to control the election debate.”

    At least the US can rely on it’s one true friend in the world when it seems like the walls are closing in.

    “Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was rushed to the Hadassah Ein Kerem hospital in Jerusalem at 7:50 p.m. Sunday evening.”

    The current US administration is insuring that the world will continue to work against our best interests and will continue to cut deals and form new pacts and treaties against us. Bush and his policies are isolating the US and helping to encourage enemies and allies alike to work against the US.

    Heckuva job Bushie.

    -GSD


  67. afterthought says:

    Wow.
    The wing-nuttery must have only wanted to
    pay for the low-budget trolls today.
    These guys are really weak.
    Where is IRI?


  68. unbelievable says:

    #76

    God Bless the Honorable George W. Bush and God Bless the Republican Party.

    Comment by RepublicanTeamLeader — December 18, 2005 @ 2:53 pm

    There is no god


  69. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    Its good to be the only super power


  70. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    Yes there is he also beleives in Merry Christmas.


  71. Blue in a Red state says:

    At the trial Saddam insisted he is still president, he is still in charge, despite the fact that his people disapprove of him and his top assistants are all in jail or going to jail. No, I’m sorry, that’s President Bush.”
    –Jay Leno


  72. unbelievable says:

    #78

    IRI? Oh, I called him a pig in another thread and he went away. I think I was the only woman talking to him this month and it hurt his feelings…


  73. unbelievable says:

    #81

    Yes there is he also beleives in Merry Christmas.

    Comment by RepublicanTeamLeader — December 18, 2005 @ 2:56 pm

    Nope, no god. Just some nut job wandering around here claiming to be him. But I think he said Happy Holidays.


  74. RepublicanTeamLeader says:

    lol I beleive your party gets their news from guys that tell jokes,thats why we hold all seats of power.


  75. liberal no more says:

    You cant expect them to under stand.


  76. unbelievable says:

    #85

    Go sleep it off, or you’ll have a hang over in the morning.


  77. Joe Sixpack says:

    Republican Team leader seems to only have one or one line at a time to post: #45, 50, 53, 55, etc. Him and that other rightwing turd, “liberal no more” are both evidently stumped for words.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but its kind of hard to say anything intelligent after swallowing down all those lies and shovels full of horseshit put out by the administration and its cronies.

    Hey you two pukes, gobble it up, but no one here is going to swallow any of it.

    Dipshits.


  78. liberal no more says:

    There is a God and he’s white and he hates all libertrolls and homos.


  79. wwallace says:

    Joe Sixpack, your ad hominem attacks violate the site Terms of Use and add nothing to the discussion.


  80. unbelievable says:

    #86

    You cant expect them to under stand.

    Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 2:59 pm

    You’re right – no one can understand your horrific grammar and English comprehension. Ever notice how your side can’t spell? Why is that? Ignorance, perhaps? The result of blind faith? Refusing to think?


  81. liberal no more says:

  82. unbelievable says:

    #89

    There is a God and he’s white and he hates all libertrolls and homos.

    Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:01 pm

    Prove it.


  83. liberal no more says:

    now thats unbelievable


  84. oldtree says:

    contact your senators and representatives by email;

    http://www.house.gov/
    http://www.senate.gov/index.htm



  85. unbelievable says:

    #94

    now thats unbelievable

    Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:03 pm

    No answer, eh? I thought not…


  86. liberal no more says:

    Not without looking it up.


  87. liberal no more says:

    Is that a nat buzzing around my head.


  88. toys says:

    Proof of intelligent design: Think of all those intelligent religious GOP people that just happened to be born into a Christian family in a Christian State of the US and just happened to have the best president ever in the White House pushing the perfect agenda.

    How could this happen by chance? What would have happened if some of these intelligent religious GOP people just happened to be born in Pakistan? QED


  89. unbelievable says:

    #96

    That’s like hanging the guy who saw you stealing the pig from the farmer, and exhonerating you, the pig thief, because the witness didn’t stop you.

    Quick, take your remaining last two brain cells and find a conservative blog who will welcome your spin with open arms…


  90. unbelievable says:

    #98

    Not without looking it up.

    Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:05 pm

    You trolls never think for yourselves. We already knew.


  91. liberal no more says:

  92. incurious george says:

    We are being swamped by them today? You know why? Desperation and fear.


  93. liberal no more says:

  94. wisedup says:

    God is white?….wow….and he hates?…..WOW. My sundy school teacher will be shocked! Darwin didn’t hate anybody.


  95. unbelievable says:

    #99

    Is that a nat buzzing around my head.

    Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:06 pm

    Probably just the sound of your remaining brain cell expiring


  96. liberal no more says:

  97. liberal no more says:

    Thats still unbelievable.


  98. Joe Sixpack says:

    You are right wwallace, #90. But then again, as a rightwing dipshit myself, I don’t have any class anyway. What can I say? Just a typical conservative jerk trolling on the site here.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but attacks on “libertrolls” and “homo’s” by Liberal No More in #89 proves my point. Us redneck, conservative, rightwing, dipshits like me, you, turdblossem (that’s short for Republican Team Leader) and old Liberal-Jerkoff-No More just can’t help ourselves in attacking the lefties here.


  99. liberal no more says:

    Man its good to hold all power in this great nation and your just angry.lol


  100. liberal no more says:

    libertroll no more


  101. unbelievable says:

    #100

    Then they’d just happened to be born into an Islamic family in a Muslim Nation and just happened to have the best dictator ever in charge pushing the perfect agenda… :)


  102. unbelievable says:

    #105

    We are being swamped by them today? You know why? Desperation and fear.

    Comment by incurious george — December 18, 2005 @ 3:10 pm

    Pretty rampant today as the house of cards is truly collapsing…


  103. Ebenezer Scrooge says:

    Thank You for such a Happy Holidays Dear Pre. Bush.
    HOHOHO Happy Holidays Peasants, HOHOHO. (U 2 wwallace, iri,…)
    P.S. Send your Charitable gifts to:Ebenezer Scrooge@reublican.com


  104. incurious george says:

    Man its good to hold all power in this great nation and your just angry.lol

    Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:13 pm
    #

    libertroll no more

    Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:14 pm

    This one gets the hook. He’s truly awful. He doesn’t even provide comic relief.


  105. liberal no more says:

    Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah


  106. liberal no more says:

    reform libertrolls and join a winning team


  107. liberal no more says:

    Lieberman and Zell did.


  108. incurious george says:

    Have you googled neocons lately? No wonder it’s not working anymore. I like this one, short and to the point and completely true and accurate.

    All political persuasions agree neoconservatives are not conservatives. Irving Kristol, who accepts the title of neoconservatism’s “godfather,” has written that the neoconservative’s goal is:
    “to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.”
    Two conservatives, Halper and Clarke, in their recent book, America Alone, conclude:”Neo-conservatives have taken American international relations on an unfortunate detour, veering away from the balanced, consensus-building … approach that has characterized traditional Republican internationalism … and acted more as a special interest focused on its particular agenda.”

    How the neoconservatives maneuvered the U.S. into the Iraq War: Neocons began promoting the Iraq “detour” in 1996 through a report explaining why Israel needed Saddam removed from power. Richard Perle delivered this report to Netanyahu, then the new Prime Minister of Israel. Perle later became a key advisor to Rumsfeld. Wurmser, another author, became Cheney’s advisor on Mid-East affairs, while a third author, Feith, was appointed second in command under Wolfowitz.

    Conservatives vs. Neocons: What conservatives says about neocons and what neocons say about conservatives.

    Neocon & Deceptions: Leo Strauss, the neocons’ “philosopher,” taught that the elite (the neocons) need to deceive the masses who cannot handle or benefit from the “truth.” Consequently neocons feel justified in hiding the real reasons for the war behind the WMD excuse or giving secret documents or technology to Israel, since they know better what is good for America.

    A Neocon Who’s Who: Special emphasis on those in the Administration.

    A Neocon Timeline: A few important events in the development of the neocon ideology and the strategy for the Iraq war.


  109. Joe Sixpack says:

    Liberal Jerkoff No More, you need some indepth posts here. Your oneliners and namecalling really is some thin shit. Kind of like those narrow-crafted, oneliners Junior Bush uses in the speeches he reads.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but why don’t you and the other rightwingers stick to the subject here. You know—-about how Condi Rice stepped in shit on TV this morning, trying to invent some damage control and spin to cover over the administration’s catbox.

    Did she sound like a complete idiot, or what? For as smart as she is, she is starting to sound just as stupid as that idiot Bush, don’t you think?


  110. unbelievable says:

    #118

    Ryan,

    I was a kid when Watergate happened, and haven’t yet read up on it. Only remember my Republican parents saying it was a conspiracy (just like wwwallace and his ilk). Will probably do that this week, since the parallels you’ve pointed out are so similar. Thanks for the info!


  111. liberal no more says:

    Shut up fag I’m seeing how many of these shit hole blog sites I can get kicked off of so far its 7, so my little fag lovers and government check receivers blow me as our party holds all seats of power.I’m going to watch some football like a real man you little bitches stay here I’ll be back later if I’m not kicked off bunch of chump bitches.


  112. toys says:

    Ryan, I’ve heard of the Incompetent Design theory, it provides support for the “Stupid Force Theorem” I’m working on. The SFT provides great insight into some certain aspects of our society at present!


  113. unbelievable says:

    #121

    reform libertrolls and join a winning team

    Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:24 pm

    No thanks, now go sell crazy somewhere else.


  114. Granite State Destroyer says:

    126.

    Brilliant.

    God bless you. You are obviously channeling the thoughts of Jesus and the holy spirit.

    -GSD

    Now get back to beating your wife and looking at the nieghbors daughter with binoculars and don’t forget the tv dinner in the microwave. Also NASCAR is on in 20 minutes too.

    PS. Dick Cheney has been receivin government checks for 30 some odd years now. Tell him to get off the gravy train.


  115. Dave! says:

    These Republican Blackhearts are sounding more and more like eight year old playground bullies during recess. Time to send them to the “Principal’s Office”.

    Seeing their leaders serving Five to Ten in the Pen just might take a bit of wind out of their sails.


  116. Susan says:

    Off topic but interesting.

    When our troops are not handpicked to spew Bubble boys propaganda we get the truth about how they feel.

    Cheney rode the wave of last week’s parliamentary elections during a 10-hour surprise visit to Iraq that aimed to highlight progress at a time when Americans question the mission. Military commanders and top government officials offered glowing reports, but the rank-and-file troops Cheney met did not seem to share their enthusiasm.

    “From our perspective, we don’t see much as far as gains,” said Marine Cpl. Bradley Warren, the first to question Cheney in a round-table discussion with about 30 military members. “We’re looking at small-picture stuff, not many gains. I was wondering what it looks like from the big side of the mountain — how Iraq’s looking.”

    Shouts of “hooah!” from the audience interrupted Cheney a few times, but mostly the service members listened intently. When he delivered the applause line, “We’re in this fight to win. These colors don’t run,” the only sound was a lone whistle.

    The skepticism that Cheney faced reflects opinions back home, where most Americans say they do not approve of
    President Bush’s handling of the war. It was unique coming from a military audience, which typically receives administration officials more enthusiastically.


  117. Huh! says:

    Bush has time to get the AG approval and to tell select members of congress, but he doesn’t have time to go to a judge and get a warrant first? I don’t understand…

    Bush / Cheney 2006!

    Let the indictments begin!


  118. Huh! says:

    These Republican Blackhearts are sounding more and more like eight year old playground bullies during recess. Time to send them to the “Principal’s Office”.

    That’s all they ever have been. All they are, and ever will be.


  119. Ron says:

    They’re spying on US citizens right now. George can do it no matter what. get used to it. You’re a tax slave, and there is nothing you can do about it.

    ‘Wage Slavery – it happened to you!’


  120. unbelievable says:

    #127

    Keep us posted. I have seen some interesting stuff over at American Atheist by Richard Zindler about Evolutionary ‘mistakes’ in general.. Tried to debate them with a couple of trolls, but they disappeared. Would be nice to have additional info on this though. The bones were something Ihadn’t seen before. Interesting stuff.


  121. Huh! says:

    http://www.newsmax.com/ archives/ ic/ 2005/ 12/ 18/ 125959.shtml

    Can the radical left say backfire?

    Comment by Keith O=Liar

    I can’t seem to find another source for this amazingly newsworthy revelation. Can you possibly explain this without requiring me to be fitted for a Reynolds wrap chapeaux or you invoking alien abductions and UFOs or black helicopters?


  122. I-RIGHT-I says:

    Bwaaaaaahahahahaaaaa….we are listening to your private conversations you ratbastardcommiemofos! Can you hear me now? We can hear you just fine.


  123. Huh! says:

    THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR

    ARTICLE 2

    2. He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; he did direct, authorize, or permit the use of information obtained thereby for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; and he did direct the concealment of certain records made by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of electronic surveillance.


  124. unbelievable says:

    #137

    Awesome! Thanks Huh! Uh-oh, IRI is back… think I’m gonna split. See you guys later.


  125. Huh! says:

    #

    Bwaaaaaahahahahaaaaa….we are listening to your private conversations you ratbastardcommiemofos! Can you hear me now? We can hear you just fine.

    Comment by I-RIGHT-I

    PROOF POSITIVE WHY IT’S NOT ONLY ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND UNAMERICAN, IT’S DANGEROUS TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY. IT ACTUALLY AIDS THE TERRORISTS. WHILE BUSH AND HIS MORONS ARE WASTING RESOURCES EAVESDROPPING ON POLITICAL ENEMIES AT HOME, DANGEROUS ENEMIES ABROAD GET A FREE PASS.


  126. Susan says:

    P.S.

    Thank you ThinkProgress for keeping this attrocity on the front page. Thank you for getting the perspective of both parties.

    This is a crime that must not go unpunished.


  127. Joe Sixpack says:

    Ratbastardcommmiemofos? Hey wwallace, is that what you ment in #90, like what I-RIGHT-I just said in #138?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, RIGHT, but I can hear you. And just fine, I might add.

    Hey, what’s you take on Condi? I saw her this morning on TV and if I hadn’t of listened to it like a real, redmeat, redblooded, conservative dipshit my myelf, I would swear she is just making up some of this crap as she goes along. Wouldn’t you?

    Of course, I was kind of staring at her ass when I could, and trying to figure out how big her boobs are, but still, I heard enough from her to get a few doubts. How about you?


  128. RSS Feed for comments on this post. says:

    Hey, That http://www.newsmax.com/ looks like http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/05/12/edi05070.html
    but with a different twist.
    I think newsmax is republican.


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    Is a Terrorist More Likely to Kill You with a Book or a .50 Caliber Sniper Rifle? The Answer to that Question Tells You a Lot About Why the [Un]Patriot Act is a Soviet-Style Power Grab and Has More to Do with Ensuring Long-term Republican Rule than Protecting Us.

    A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL


  130. I-RIGHT-I says:

    Hey, what’s you take on Condi? I saw her this morning on TV and if I hadn’t of listened to it like a real, redmeat, redblooded, conservative dipshit my myelf, I would swear she is just making up some of this crap as she goes along. Wouldn’t you?Comment by Joe Sixpack

    I missed it. The girls took a vote and decided to let me back in the co-ed Bible study so I had to go.

    Of course, I was kind of staring at her ass when I could, and trying to figure out how big her boobs are, but still, I heard enough from her to get a few doubts. How about you?

    I don’t know, I think she’s pretty hot for a Black chick boobs or no.


  131. I-RIGHT-I says:

    Is a Terrorist More Likely to Kill You with a Book or a .50 Caliber Sniper Rifle? The Answer to that Question Tells You a Lot About Why the [Un]Patriot Act is a Soviet-Style Power Grab and Has More to Do with Ensuring Long-term Republican Rule than Protecting Us.

    A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL

    Insuring long term Republican rule is protecting us. It’s protecting us from losers like you. By the way it doesn’t really matter if they shoot you with a .50 or drop a crate of Korans on your head, does it?


  132. liberal no more says:

  133. Carl Levin for President says:

    The secret spying was essential since Americans were told that the war was the primary reason for the absence of attacks since 911.


  134. Mark says:

    Operation System Restore

    Lets restore our country to a time:

    1. Before exploding national debt

    2. Before compassionless conservatism

    3. Before the K-Street project

    4. Before it was impssible for neutral experts to speak out and keep their jobs

    5. The destruction of the integrity of the election system

    6. Before the loss of media watchdogs

    7. Before the destruction of the middle class by the changing the medicare system, bankruptcy laws and the tax laws.

    8. Before pre-emptive war, torture, and spying on American citizens were legitimate activities of the United States government.

    Anyone have anything to add?

    OPERATION SYSTEM RESTORE.


  135. Huh! says:

    THESE CLUELESS IDIOTS WILL GET US ALL KILLED.

    Agents’ visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
    By AARON NICODEMUS, Standard-Times staff writer

    NEW BEDFORD — A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung’s tome on Communism called “The Little Red Book.”
    Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library’s interlibrary loan program.
    The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand’s class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents’ home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
    The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a “watch list,” and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
    “I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book,” Professor Pontbriand said. “Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that’s what triggered the visit, as I understand it.”
    Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He has not spoken to The Standard-Times.
    The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.
    The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
    The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts from Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.
    In the 1950s and ’60s, during the Cultural Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly from the original book.
    The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland Security agents told him the book was on a “watch list.” They brought the book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors said.
    Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.
    “My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think,” he said.
    Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk.
    “I shudder to think of all the students I’ve had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that,” he said. “Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless.”


  136. Joe Sixpack says:

    Yeah, me too, RIGHT. Thinking she’s pretty hot, I mean. Except for that huge gap between her two big front teeth. But hey, beggers like me can’t be choosers, you know? Even aphrodite won’t have anything to do with me.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but Condi’s ass is a lot smaller than Hillary’s. Kind of skinny little butt, really, but hell, as a trailer-country redneck, I won’t hold her ass against her.

    Glad you got back into Bible study. I take it, that is an Evangelical group? I’m sure all the “ratbastardcommiemofo’s” here are all glad for you too.


  137. MisterOpus1 says:

    #96,

    Keith,

    I’m not sure if you knew this, but he could tell every single Congressman every single time he did it/does it, and it would still be illegal. Even though she expressed grave concerns for his actions, and it also might have been prudent for her to state something at that time, it’s still not up to Congress for Bush or any President to give their nod of approval/disapproval on this action. Rather, it’s entirely up to the FISA court to approve these wiretaps, and no one, not even the President has the authority to circumvent that court under any circumstances. You really should read the law – it is an education:

    Until Congress decides to change the law, the President and everyone else must follow it.

    Does that help?


  138. I-RIGHT-I says:

    Glad you got back into Bible study. I take it, that is an Evangelical group? I’m sure all the “ratbastardcommiemofo’s” here are all glad for you too.

    Comment by Joe Sixpack

    Thanks, actually it’s just to the right and around the corner from Evangelicals. They tend to be a little wishy-washy about carpet bombing. We tend to look at it as a baptism by fire for the pagan enemies of the USA. It’s like a gentle nudge for them to consider repentance before we get really serious.


  139. I-RIGHT-I says:

    “I shudder to think of all the students I’ve had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that,” he said. “Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless.”

    Comment by Huh!

    I shudder to think what that asshole is teaching the kiddies.


  140. liberal no more says:

    libertroll assholes


  141. Godfry Daniel says:

    America is dead. We need a new name for this country. “The Ununited States of Idiots” comes to mind.


  142. liberal no more says:

  143. Pete Bogs says:

    Bush didn’t tell anyone so there wouldn’t be a chance for anyone to object…



  144. Joe Sixpack says:

    Nice take on “libertroll assholes”, liberal no more. I take it you used to be one? I mean, a liberal? I understand your arguement that you are no longer a libertroll at least.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but what was the “hehe” in #158? About Godfry’s take about the “United States of Idiots” in #157. Let me remind you who has complete control of the entire government before you chuckle about a title like that. I mean, as a rightwinger myself I’m appalled that you would laugh at the Republican Party in the same context as I-RIGHT-I’s take of “Ratbastardcommiemofo’s.”

    Heheheheheheheh! Never mind—-Now I get it!!


  145. Here in DC says:

    I haven’t seen this many Rightie trolls out since the JeffylubeGannonGuckertEscort 100times signed into the White House Story.
    You know they are in trouble with this story when the trolls are out on the weekend.


  146. liberal no more says:

  147. Here in DC says:

    I wonder if Jeff Gannon Escort Guckert was told. I bet he counts as a high ranking official. According to Secret Service that the ESCORT signed into The White House over 100 times and never signed out….


  148. cynical ex-hippie says:

    I don’t know about the other right wing blogs, but redstate.org is pretty quiet now, other than the odd assertion that the crime rate in Baghdad is “substantially lower” than the crime rate in D.C. (no kidding, where do they come up with this stuff?) and the usual carping on Democrats and name-calling.


  149. the Fly-man says:

    #149CLP could you explain your comment for me, please?


  150. Susan says:

    Where’s Osama Bin Laden?


  151. Susan says:

    #149, maybe you didn’t get the memo. Bin Laden is still at large.


  152. liberal no more says:

    only because slick willie didn’t take him when offered


  153. the Fly-man says:

    LNM, i love your name it has so much room for duality and ridicule. But here is my point, your last one #170, slick willie quip. My Question : So the fact that Slick Willie didn’t take him, from where or from whom, alleviates any future blame for his non capture? is that what your saying. Clarify for me if you care to. thanks


  154. Carl Levin for President says:

    I personally do not believe the war has been the reason for the absence of attacks since 911. I believe it is due to surveillance. The White House would have us think otherwise, Fly-man.


  155. liberal no more says:

    No thanks but the truth hurts lol.


  156. wwallace says:

    #157, “America is dead. We need a new name for this country. “The Ununited States of Idiots” comes to mind.”

    Yeah, but nobody question his patriotism! ROFL


  157. wwallace says:

    Susan, “Bin Laden is still at large.”

    Prove it.


  158. mighty aphrodite says:

    #152 – Joe – You’re such a moron (WorFEus assures all that the term ‘moron’ is not a personal attack – rather it is an apt observation). In the African culture the gap between the two front teeth is a sign of beauty. I would think that the ability to spit straight would appeal to your low rent mentality.

    The REALLY amusing thing about this mornings talk shows was the nugget dropped by that wimp-MAN, Sen. Harry Reid. His admission that he had heard about the eavesdropping “scandal” several months ago was not news to anyone who knows what double talker Harry Reid is. (LOVED the way he answered the question about the $66,000.- from Jack Abramoff’s clients. For a moment the indignant Harry was speechless!!! Oh,that it were a permanent affliction!!)


  159. Ducktape says:

    ROFLMAO!!!

    I love it when the trolls get desperate. And boy, are you guys desperate.

    You’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg, but you’re gonna get to see the whole damned thing.

    And all you little weenies can think to do is to rush over to some blog that actually prints the truth and shout “but Clinton….” and puff your self up with “God Bless the Republican Party”.

    What a way to spend a Sunday. Deny your polls all you like — you aren’t going to convince anyone here, and even if you did, you aren’t going to change reality no matter how much you bluster.

    What’s the matter — your neighbors don’t want to listen to your BS any more, so the only place you can spew is online? Poor little trolls ….


  160. Carl Levin for President says:

    I think you’re spending too much time on the internet, Fly-man. But when it comes to fighting in the streets I want you on my street, on my team. I’ll lead or follow. You decide.


  161. Carl Levin for President says:

    Is calling someone a moron acceptable on TP?


  162. afterthought says:

    It should be an easy case:
    * Commander codpiece admitted he broke the law
    * Says he will continue to do so

    Time for true patriots to impeach in the name
    of the founding fathers.


  163. liberal no more says:

  164. Carl Levin for President says:

    Harry Reid couldn’t “double talk” his way out of a wet paper sack. Mighty, please stop with all the pretend aggressions/transgressions/discretions(secretions)/anti-semitisms/****!!!.


  165. wwallace says:

    afterthought admitted he’s an agent of al Qaeda.


  166. Carl Levin for President says:

    Is it acceptable for a moron to call someone a moron at TP?


  167. afterthought says:

    Boy #185,

    That is even more lame that you usually are.
    Want to explain why breaking the law is
    okay?
    Is there any law that it is not okay for
    commander codpiece to break?
    I see you really have no talking points yet.
    Is Rove to busy with his “legal troubles”
    to send you a fax?


  168. wwallace says:

    Maybe afterthought will explain why he thinks it’s OK to be a terrorist. I’m sure the FBI would like to ask him that question too.


  169. afterthought says:

    #188,

    You really have nothing do you?
    Nothing at all?


  170. Jerry Mathers says:

    Things must be desperate, all the 3rd string righty trolls are here typing their fat little hearts out… I almost miss Gee-A-Combover’s (Giacomo) quasi-lucid postings.


  171. liberal no more says:

    No thats libertrolls thank you.


  172. afterthought says:

    Jerry, I think you have it just right.


  173. RunningDogLackey says:

    The one good thing about Ronald Reagan’s presidency was that the rest of the world knew that he was unstable, uninformed and quite possibly dangerously disconnected from reality.

    I think that’s the effect President Bush is striving for here. Once everyone realizes that the Constitution is “just a gawddamn piece of paper to him” and that he is willing to violate his own laws and screw his own people…other world leaders will grant him the sort of rueful respect that was previously reserved for Mao-Tse-Tung and Kruschev.

    Bush knows that no one will ever like or admire him, so he’s opting to be feared and hated. After all, it works for Uncle Dick.


  174. Carl Levin for President says:

    Looks like nothing, afterthought. Which is EXACTLY what wwallace has offered in any substantive measure to the peace effort.


  175. afterthought says:

    “No thats libertrolls thank you.”

    You through “Tip and Mitten” yet?
    Try “The Cat in the Hat”, maybe you will
    get better at English soon.


  176. liberal no more says:

  177. wwallace says:

    “The one good thing about Ronald Reagan’s presidency was that the rest of the world knew that he was unstable, uninformed and quite possibly dangerously disconnected from reality.”

    And yet he won the Cold War anyway.


  178. liberal no more says:

    Dont you like the term libertroll?


  179. Carl Levin for President says:

    RunningDogLackey,
    The president has a weak identity. What he is and does changes day to day. And I’ll bet the majority of the opinions he has about himself are fed to him by Rove. He thought the “mandate” was indicative of the quality of his individualism. He could only think that because he was told so.
    At the end of the day his unpopularity is what’s going to save us.


  180. afterthought says:

    “All Hat, no cattle”
    Fake cowboy, frat-boy cheerleader.
    Potemkin president.
    Crooked crony conservative.


  181. Carl Levin for President says:

    Reagan winning a cold war is a GOP myth. It’s not what the history books describe.


  182. nofreedom! says:

    Bush knows that no one will ever like or admire him, so he’s opting to be feared and hated.
    Like”People fear Government.”.
    WATCH OUT!


  183. wwallace says:

    Carl, it’s what the accurate history books describe. YOu must’ve read one by a liberal. They constantly lie about Reagan and their own pro-Soviet actions during the cold war.


  184. afterthought says:

    Reagan invented the “incompetence excuse”.
    That must be worth something.


  185. nofreedom! says:

    Will we ever NOT Learn?
    I Guess its gonna take WARS Upon Rumours of WARS!
    Even that will not wake America up.

    Freedoms not Free!


  186. liberal no more says:

    Bush it has been said will go down in history as one of the greatest Presidents of all time.


  187. nofreedom! says:

    Freedoms not Free!
    Freedoms not Free!
    Freedoms not Free!
    Freedoms not Free!
    Freedoms not Free!
    Freedoms not Free!
    Freedoms not Free!
    Freedoms not Free!
    Freedoms not Free!


  188. wwallace says:

    Democrats are just bitter becasue President Bush accomplished the liberation of 50 million people in two nations and Clinton accomplished nothing of any real significance in 8 years.


  189. Jerry Mathers says:

    #210
    Better watch those typos, LNM… you forgot the word “failed,” a in “Bush it has been said will go down in history as one of the greatest failed Presidents of all time.” You know, It wouldn’t hurt you to use a comma now and then- don’t worry, the comma wasn’t invented by the French.


  190. nofreedom! says:

    Bush along with 300 million N.Americans WILL Go down in History, This is True!

    16 And he gathered them together into a place called AMERICA! Then seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
    18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.


  191. liberal no more says:

  192. BOB says:

    This Patriot ACT thing, Is more MADNESS
    ec. 1. Short title; table of contents.

    TITLE I–USA PATRIOT IMPROVEMENT AND REAUTHORIZATION ACT

    Sec. 101. References to, and modification of short title for, USA
    PATRIOT Act.
    Sec. 102. USA PATRIOT Act sunset provisions.
    Sec. 103. Extension of sunset relating to individual terrorists as
    agents of foreign powers.
    Sec. 104. Section 2332b and the material support sections of title 18,
    United States Code.
    Sec. 105. Duration of FISA surveillance of non-United States persons
    under section 207 of the USA PATRIOT Act.
    Sec. 106. Access to certain business records under section 215 of the
    USA PATRIOT Act.
    Sec. 106A. Audit on access to certain business records for foreign intelligence purposes.
    Sec. 107. Enhanced oversight of good-faith emergency disclosures under
    section 212 of the USA PATRIOT Act.
    Sec. 108. Multipoint electronic surveillance under section 206 of the
    USA PATRIOT Act.
    Sec. 109. Enhanced congressional oversight.
    Sec. 110. Attacks against railroad carriers and mass transportation
    systems.
    Sec. 111. Forfeiture.
    Sec. 112. Section 2332b(g)(5)(B) amendments relating to the definition
    of Federal crime of terrorism.
    Sec. 113. Amendments to section 2516(1) of title 18, United States
    Code.
    Sec. 114. Delayed notice search warrants.
    Sec. 115. Judicial review of national security letters.
    Sec. 116. Confidentiality of national security letters.
    Sec. 117. Violations of nondisclosure provisions of national security
    letters.
    Sec. 118. Reports on national security letters.
    Sec. 119. Audit of use of national security letters.
    Sec. 120. Definition for forfeiture provisions under section 806 of the
    USA PATRIOT Act.
    Sec. 121. Penal provisions regarding trafficking in contraband
    cigarettes or smokeless tobacco.
    Sec. 122. Prohibition of narco-terrorism.
    Sec. 123. Interfering with the operation of an aircraft.
    Sec. 124. Sense of Congress relating to lawful political activity.
    Sec. 125. Removal of civil liability barriers that discourage the
    donation of fire equipment to volunteer fire companies.
    Sec. 126. Report on data-mining activities.
    Sec. 127. *Sense of Congress.
    Sec. 128. USA PATRIOT Act section 214; authority for disclosure of
    additional information in connection with orders for pen
    register and trap and trace authority under FISA.

    Tobacco?
    Terrorists are gonna Use tobacco?
    Arent their Already LAWS for THIS?
    Congressional Oversight
    Forfeiture?
    More;
    Short title.
    Sec. 302. Entry by false pretenses to any seaport.
    Sec. 303. Criminal sanctions for failure to heave to, obstruction of
    boarding, or providing false information.
    Sec. 304. Criminal sanctions for violence against maritime navigation,
    placement of destructive devices.
    Sec. 305. Transportation of dangerous materials and terrorists.
    Sec. 306. Destruction of, or interference with, vessels or maritime
    facilities.
    Sec. 307. Theft of interstate or foreign shipments or vessels.
    Sec. 308. Stowaways on vessels or aircraft.
    Sec. 309. Bribery affecting port security.
    Sec. 310. Penalties for smuggling goods into the United States.
    Sec. 311. Smuggling goods from the United States.

    TITLE IV–COMBATING TERRORISM FINANCING

    Sec. 401. Short title.
    Sec. 402. Increased penalties for terrorism financing.
    Sec. 403. Terrorism-related specified activities for money laundering.
    Sec. 404. Assets of persons committing terrorist acts against foreign
    countries or international organizations.
    Sec. 405. Money laundering through hawalas.
    Sec. 406. Technical and conforming amendments relating to the USA
    PATRIOT Act.
    Sec. 407. Cross reference correction.
    Sec. 408. Amendment to amendatory language.
    Sec. 409. Designation of additional money laundering predicate.
    Sec. 410. Uniform procedures for criminal forfeiture.

    TITLE V–MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS

    Sec. 501. Residence of United States attorneys and assistant United
    States attorneys.
    Sec. 502. Interim appointment of United States Attorneys.
    Sec. 503. Secretary of Homeland Security in Presidential line of
    succession.
    Sec. 504. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to the Department of
    Justice.
    Sec. 505. Qualifications of United States Marshals.
    Sec. 506. Department of Justice intelligence matters.
    Sec. 507. Review by Attorney General.

    TITLE VI–SECRET SERVICE

    Sec. 601. Short title.
    Sec. 602. Interference with national special security events.
    Sec. 603. False credentials to national special security events.
    Sec. 604. Forensic and investigative support of missing and exploited
    children cases.
    Sec. 605. The Uniformed Division, United States Secret Service.
    Sec. 606. Savings provisions.
    Sec. 607. Maintenance as distinct entity.
    Sec. 608. Exemptions from the Federal Advisory Committee Act.

    TITLE VII–COMBAT METHAMPHETAMINE EPIDEMIC ACT OF 2005

    Sec. 701. Short title.

    Subtitle A–Domestic regulation of precursor chemicals

    Sec. 711. Scheduled listed chemical products; restrictions on sales
    quantity, behind-the-counter access, and other
    safeguards.
    Sec. 712. Regulated transactions.
    Sec. 713. Authority to establish production quotas.
    Sec. 714. Penalties; authority for manufacturing; quota.
    Sec. 715. Restrictions on importation; authority to permit imports for
    medical, scientific, or other legitimate purposes.
    Sec. 716. Notice of importation or exportation; approval of sale or
    transfer by importer or exporter.
    Sec. 717. Enforcement of restrictions on importation and of requirement
    of notice of transfer.
    Sec. 718. Coordination with United States Trade Representative.

    Subtitle B–International regulation of precursor chemicals

    Sec. 721. Information on foreign chain of distribution; import
    restrictions regarding failure of distributors to
    cooperate.
    Sec. 722. Requirements relating to the largest exporting and importing
    countries of certain precursor chemicals.
    Sec. 723. Prevention of smuggling of methamphetamine into the United
    States from Mexico.

    Subtitle C–Enhanced criminal penalties for methamphetamine production
    and trafficking

    Sec. 731. Smuggling methamphetamine or methamphetamine precursor
    chemicals into the United States while using facilitated
    entry programs.
    Sec. 732. Manufacturing controlled substances on Federal property.
    Sec. 733. Increased punishment for methamphetamine kingpins.
    Sec. 734. New child-protection criminal enhancement.
    Sec. 735. Amendments to certain sentencing court reporting
    requirements.
    Sec. 736. Semiannual reports to Congress.

    Subtitle D–Enhanced environmental regulation of methamphetamine
    byproducts

    Sec. 741. Biennial report to Congress on agency designations of by-
    products of methamphetamine laboratories as hazardous
    materials.
    Sec. 742. Methamphetamine production report.
    Sec. 743. Cleanup costs.

    Subtitle E–Additional programs and activities

    Sec. 751. Improvements to Department of Justice drug court grant
    program.
    Sec. 752. Drug courts funding.
    Sec. 753. Feasibility study on Federal drug courts.
    Sec. 754. Grants to hot spot areas to reduce availability of
    methamphetamine.
    Sec. 755. Grants for programs for drug-endangered children.
    Sec. 756. Authority to award competitive grants to address
    methamphetamine use by pregnant and parenting women
    offenders.
    TITLE I–USA PATRIOT IMPROVEMENT AND REAUTHORIZATION ACT

    With an AMphetamine ACT thrown in, WHICH
    iS GOOD
    BUT HAVENT WE DONE ALL THESE
    DRUG PROGRAMS BEFORE??

    Reagan BUSH SENIOR?
    THE WAR ON DRUGS?
    WHAT HAPPENED to THAT??


  193. nofreedom! says:

    Bob, Wars upon Wars! It,ll never stop until Freedom is completely Destroyed!
    And That is what Bush intends to do.
    Freedom ruling the World??? I Don,t think so.


  194. nofreedom! says:

    Let 1.4 BILLION Chinese Free. See What happens.


  195. nofreedom! says:

    You know, If Comunist China LEADERS Don,t want to set Chinese people FREE, well Then, I Guess America will have to FORCE Them to be FREE!


  196. nofreedom! says:

    Just like Soviets were Forced to Tear down that wall!


  197. liberal no more says:

    We aren’t afraid like you girlie men.


  198. nofreedom! says:

    The reason Soviets agreed is because they knew they have been defeated.


  199. BOB says:

    Freedom is a Fleeting word Indeed…
    BOB
    ___________________________________
    the CHICKEN BASTERS!!

    This section, which is new to the conference report,
    authorizes $99 million for fiscal years 2006 to 2010 for
    grants to State and local law enforcement agencies to assist
    in the investigation of methamphetamine traffickers and to
    reimburse the DEA for assistance in cleaning up
    methamphetamine laboratories.
    Section 755. Grants for programs for drug-endangered children
    This section of the conference report, which is new,
    authorizes grants to States to assist in treatment of
    children who have been endangered by living at a residence
    where methamphetamine has been manufactured or distributed.
    Section 756. Authority to award competitive grants to address
    methamphetamine use by pregnant and parenting women
    offenders
    Section 756 is a new provision and authorizes the Attorney
    General to award grants to address the use of methamphetamine
    among pregnant and parenting women offenders to promote
    public safety, public health, family permanence and well
    being.

    From the Committee on the Judiciary, for consideration of the
    House bill (except section 132) and the Senate amendment, and
    modifications committed to conference:
    F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr.,
    Howard Coble,
    Lamar Smith,
    Elton Gallegly,
    Steve Chabot,
    William L. Jenkins,
    Daniel Lungren,
    From the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, for
    consideration of secs. 102, 103, 106, 107, 109, and 132 of
    the House bill, and secs. 2, 3, 6, 7, 9, and 10 of the Senate
    amendment, and modifications committed to conference:
    Pete Hoekstra,
    Heather Wilson,
    From the Committee on Energy and Commerce, for consideration
    of secs. 124 and 231 of the House bill, and modifications
    committed to conference:
    Charlie Norwood,
    John Shadegg,
    From the Committee on Financial Services, for consideration
    of sec. 117 of the House bill, and modifications committed to
    conference:
    Michael G. Oxley,
    Spencer Bachus,
    From the Committee on Homeland Security, for consideration of
    secs. 127-129 of the House bill, and modifications committed
    to conference:
    Peter T. King,
    Curt Weldon,
    Managers on the Part of the House.

    Arlen Specter,
    Orrin Hatch,
    Jon Kyl,
    Mike DeWine,
    Jeff Sessions,
    Pat Roberts,
    Managers on the Part of the Senate.


  200. BOB says:

    Peter T. King,
    Curt Weldon,
    Managers on the Part of the House.

    Arlen Specter,
    Orrin Hatch,
    Jon Kyl,
    Mike DeWine,
    Jeff Sessions,
    Pat Roberts,
    Managers on the Part of the Senate.

    PORKERS..
    And Partners
    to
    Porkers


  201. nofreedom! says:

    Jesus said”Let They who are without Sin Cast the FIRST Stone”
    Are Churches WITHOUT SIN?
    SIN FREE?
    No!


  202. Carl Levin for President says:

    MR. RUSSERT: You said the president acted above the law. Do you believe the president of the United States broke the law?

    SEN. LEVIN: If he did not follow the FISA law, then I believe he would have broken the law. But I don’t want to prejudge whether the president broke the law. We need an explanation, we need it fast. The American public is entitled to the protections of the law.

    The president claims to have followed the law here. He says he acted on behalf of American security. OK. If that’s his motive, that’s what he claims his motive is. Others will justify that. History will justify or not justify that. But he claims that he abided by the laws and Constitution of the United States but he avoided going to the court which the laws require him to go to either before or immediately afterwards, and if he’s claiming to be law-abiding and to abide by statutes, which he is, what are the statutes? The attorney general must inform us promptly. The president owes that to the American people.


  203. BUSH says:

    The Constitution is Just a G*D D*MMED PIECE OF PAPER!!



  204. nofreedom! says:

    16 ¶ And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
    17

    But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


  205. Jerry Mathers says:

    #228
    “W” essentially said that about the US Treasurey bonds which are used to finance Social Security. It’s all so obvious, “W” is trying to privatize the Constitution!


  206. nofreedom! says:

    Bush to reiterate need for troops in Iraq
    In tonight’s speech, president will tout success of Iraqi election
    NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE

    • General backtracks on Iraq pullout timing
    • Possible troop withdrawals to be announced
    • Bush: Iraq intelligence was faulty
    • Death toll for U.S. in Iraq hits 2,000

    Updated: 6:26 p.m. ET Dec. 18, 2005
    WASHINGTON – President Bush declared Sunday night that Iraq’s elections signal the birth of democracy in the Middle East, arguing against a U.S. troop pullout while acknowledging the doubts of some “that the war is lost and not worth another dime or another day.”


  207. nofreedom! says:

    WILL BUSH NEVER GIVE UP?????How many more American Military will Die???Dosn,t it Matter???


  208. nofreedom! says:

    TALK ABOUT FLIP FLOPPING!


  209. Jerry Mathers says:

    NOFREEDOM
    you’re not fooling anyone nofreedom-from-blathering-on-about-the-bible… you’re one of the more obnoxious trolls here. nice disguise, dressing up as a liberal then spamming the blog w/ long quotes. IF you have something to say, say for God’s sake (and ours).


  210. nofreedom! says:

    I AM. Read my Comments(Not just some of them.)
    Better yet, Read Jesus Comments. He does a great better deal than I do!


  211. Jesus Christ God of War says:

    The trolls much be terribly desperate to be defending clear breaking of the law.

    Right, Left, or Center, American’s are NOT free if they are being spied upon.

    Think spying makes you safer? Then I suggest that all the RiechWingNutWackJobs who have posted on these topics defending the Boy King leave the US and go see for themselves how it is to live with a government prying into their lives to keep them “safe”. Somewhere like Russia. Or how about Israel?

    In the meantime, BushCo is toast. If we the people don’t jail the man for his crimes, someone else just might. Like the World Court.

    The only problem then will be how much we’ll have to hear from the ReichWingNuts telling the world how they’ve been “wronged”. The poor bastards. Too bad we can’t impeach them too, for their stupidity.


  212. nofreedom! says:

    You are Right about one thing: “W” is trying to privatize the Constitution!

    They Have been Privatized Long Before America was Ever even Discovered by Christian Faith!


  213. nofreedom! says:

    here is a little for you Rightwingnutjobs. It comes from YOUR Bible!
    EXODUS CHAPTER 23

    ——————————————————————————–
    1 ¶ Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
    2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou speak in a cause to decline after many to wrest judgment:
    3 Neither shalt thou countenance a poor man in his cause.


  214. nofreedom! says:

    7 Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.
    8 And thou shalt take no gift: for the gift blindeth the wise, and perverteth the words of the righteous.


  215. Carl Levin for President says:

    The Abramoff problem is a Republican problem. Don’t try to associate me with the Abramoff problem, Chris Wallace.

    -Harry Reid


  216. nofreedom! says:

    9 Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


  217. RunningDogLackey says:

    nofreedom:

    Lengthy citations are unnecessary. Ecclesiastes summed up Dubbya in a single line:

    “He that digs a pit, shall fall into it.”

    Amen. Shantih. Hoka-hey!


  218. nofreedom! says:

    18 And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount:

    and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights.


  219. Jerry Mathers says:

    Great, we’ve got our own sidewalk preacher here. Listen nofreedom, I’m not harping on your faith, just the accompanying bombast.


  220. nofreedom! says:

    here is the Answer of Aarons WRONGDOINGS~
    EXODUS CHAPTER 32

    ——————————————————————————–
    1 ¶ And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.


  221. nofreedom! says:

    No More, I Am Finished.
    I,ll Just read here on out.


  222. gun toting liberal says:

    Take a look at comment # 4!


  223. toys says:

    I think if your quotes were relevant to the actual discussion, it would probably be better. I was about to look through the ‘Little Red Book’ myself and post quotes from that, but I can’t because I can’t read that book without being investigated as a terrorist.

    Sounds funny somehow but I can’t quite nail it. Maybe I thought we had freedom but I’m obviously way out of touch these days.


  224. unbelievable says:

    #250

    Sure you have freedom toys – just as long as you do what the Neocons in charge want you to do, you’re free to do it… I mean that IS there logic here isn’t it?


  225. mighty aphrodite says:

    #238 – “Right, Left, or Center, American’s are NOT free if they are being spied upon.” – JC God of WAR

    **** Oh, such an high-minded and altruistic proclamation!!! But weren’t progs whining incessantly about the Presidents’ inability to thwart 9/11?? How did you think that should be achieved – utilizing the services of the magnificent Karnac??? Such is the case of the “Whiners of the World”.


  226. unbelievable says:

    #252

    But weren’t progs whining incessantly about the Presidents’ inability to thwart 9/11?? How did you think that should be achieved – utilizing the services of the magnificent Karnac???

    Remember Janice from Friends? That’s exactly how I hear Mighty Afro’s voice when I read her postings…

    Well let’s see – for starters, he could have gone to work instead of having gone on vacation… And he could have read the reports that warned of such a threat… Just for starters


  227. Carl Levin for President says:

    Better look out, mighty aphrodite. I think I see Harry Reid sneaking up beind you with a loaded double entendre.

    Honestly, mighty, how can you stand to watch that Chris Wallace garbage? Isn’t it uncomfortable?


  228. unbelievable says:

    Carl, I think you and Chris Wallace employ the same illegals…


  229. wwallace says:

    Continuously repeating this BS…

    Well let’s see – for starters, he could have gone to work instead of having gone on vacation… And he could have read the reports that warned of such a threat… Just for starters

    …will never make it true.


  230. hardass says:

    this program is degenerating with all the religious freaks spouting their CRAP. the question remains why did bush found it necessary to by pass the constitution , when he has all the tools necessary and still abide by the constitution.


  231. the Fly-man says:

    So Mighty Aphrodite, here is my question for you: Is Whiners, your vernacular for the opposition? I think you have confused rational questions with executive order blasphemy. If a question can be answered then what qualifies as a whine? Thanks


  232. wwallace says:

    hardass, it is the left that wants to bypass the Constitution. The president did not do so.


  233. Carl Levin for President says:

    Mr. Reid, are you going to pursue the individual who leaked that the President has been illegally spying on Americans as aggressively as the leakers of the identity of Valerie Plame ?

    -Chris Wallace

    Only a paid propagandist could equate these 2 types of leaks. It’s SO HARD TO WATCH.


  234. unbelievable says:

    #256

    wwwingnut, just because you work for your Daddy and he lets you show up whenever you want doesn’t mean that’s how it works, or that you can use it as an excuse.

    And what about the pre 9/11 reports obscurely called “Osama bin Laden is planning an attack on America”? How do you spin your way out of that, call me a name in violation with the rules again, stalk Ryan and WORFEUS, or just roll around on the floor some more???


  235. K says:

    **** Oh, such an high-minded and altruistic proclamation!!!

    That doesn’t make any sense.

    But weren’t progs whining incessantly about the Presidents’ inability to thwart 9/11??

    No. Not his inability. His negligence. That and our own government’s responsibility in it through years of failed policy.

    How did you think that should be achieved – utilizing the services of the magnificent Karnac???

    That would definitely have been more effective.

    Such is the case of the “Whiners of the World”.

    Comment by mighty aphrodite

    You should know. It’s your side do all the whining, always has been..


  236. mighty aphrodite says:

    #242 – “The Abramoff problem is a Republican problem. Don’t try to associate me with the Abramoff problem, Chris Wallace.” -Harry Reid
    Comment by Carl Levin for President — December 18, 2005 @ 6:45 pm

    ******Sorry Karl – Wimp Harry IS “associated” – and no amount of wishing on your part will change that. In the spirit of a Las Vegas weekend, I’ll bet you…oh say…. $66,000.-. Harry wants that ad campaign “What happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas” to include his shady dealings.


  237. Carl Levin for President says:

    unbelievable,
    You’re playing a game you’re not qualified to participate.
    I work for a company that makes EVERY SINGLE DIME off of your tax dollars. And they hire illegals with the permission of your representatives. So before you start throwing large objects at your single pane walls I’d check to see who is on your side.


  238. monica says:

    My vote for the best handle EVER; gun totin liberal. Thanks to the NRA even the most bleeding heart liberal has a gun! heh


  239. hardass says:

    Sorry WWW .What i see , read and hear is SOME people playing ostrichs and when their head is out of the sand they go aroud saying : see no evil , hear no evil , speak no evil .This administration is some EVIL . A when they have no argument they revert what they know very little about RELIGION.


  240. Carl Levin for President says:

    I didn’t get $66,000 from Abramoff. I’ve never met Abramoff.

    -Reid


  241. unbelievable says:

    #264

    unbelievable,
    You’re playing a game you’re not qualified to participate.
    I work for a company that makes EVERY SINGLE DIME off of your tax dollars. And they hire illegals with the permission of your representatives. So before you start throwing large objects at your single pane walls I’d check to see who is on your side.

    Comment by Carl Levin for President — December 18, 2005 @ 7:25 pm

    I’m pretty sure you said that you dominate illegals because that’s the system and you can, so don’t blame you. Wanna retract? Because I hardly think your comments this morning qualify you to participate. You don’t know me, so don’t tell me what I can and cannot say. I don’t bow down to you just because you represent the man. A real progressive can take as well as he can give, and I don’t see you doing that Carl.


  242. the Fly-man says:

    What was this thread about? Reid, Abramoff/Reed? Every single dime? Chris Wallace garbage? Propagandist? Top of the list is BOB GRAHAM I am pretty sure it has to do with, hang on,Bob Graham and a specific meeting for an intel briefing. Roger That. Target has strayed. What are you guys firing at?


  243. Progressive Team Leader says:

    Stop Feeding The Trolls! They are here out of desperation. They are defeated and irrelevant. And welcome to the many refugees from the GOP. Welcome to liberal/progressive politics and until something better comes along, the Democratic party.


  244. the Fly-man says:

    I’ve been trying to think why all these Presidents lose their asses and it has to do , I think, with the don’t have a bud. Bush needs bud. Even Michael Douglas had Martin Sheen in the one where he snags Annette Bening. Bush needs a bud.


  245. WORFEUS says:

    273

    We ain’t feedin them, were liberating them.


  246. unbelievable says:

    #274 Can we send him wwwwallace?


  247. Susan says:

    There’s a 50 million dollar bounty on Osama Bin Laden’s head.

    Where’s Osama Bin Laden? Who wants to be a millionaire?


  248. Carl Levin for President says:

    unbelievable,
    Writing is an art. And you’re makin’ some ugly pictures, honey.


  249. Brobdignagian says:

    I sense an Al-Caponian end to this reign of error. Illegal wiretaps are among the weakest blows this administration has dealt to the body politic.


  250. unbelievable says:

    unbelievable,
    Writing is an art. And you’re makin’ some ugly pictures, honey.

    Comment by Carl Levin for President — December 18, 2005 @ 8:51 pm

    Art is subjective, Carl. And, at least my pictures aren’t made at the expense of illegal immigrants. Do you use their blood to paint yours? You know, because you can?

    Honey? Only chauvantistic pigs call women that. Should have known you weren’t just the overseer… Slap your wife occasionally because you can? Kick the dog because you can? Cheat on your taxes because you can? Doesn’t sound like award winning art to me there, Carl.

    Find another target for your hostilities, because if anyone here is ugly – it is you.


  251. Carl Levin for President says:

    My wife wears the pants in our house. And I’m still not quite sure what I’ve done to anger you. Perhaps I’ll catch up with you later.


  252. circusfifthfloor says:

    Dear God. I must finally leave this site. Only a very few of you have any sense of history, logic, or critical thinking. No wonder Karl has been able to prepare the ground for his imperial fantasies with such pathetic mental midgets as the ones found slithering here. It’s obvious that none of the trolls are adults and most are a waste of skin. The majority of the Rovian Robots exhibit little if any evidence of intelligence and if they feel this is a battlefield for journalalism, I leave you with this. You are merely typists….


  253. mighty aphrodite says:

    Karl – And you wonder why conservatives laugh at progs??? You and Harry both scored an “A+” at the Clinton Law School Language Parsing Class!!! (Congratulations on “scoring” so highly!!) Maybe wimpy Harry never MET Abramoff, but his campaign bank account “met” Abramoff – or ONE or MORE of his ASSOCIATES when he/she/they made a deposit totalling $66,000.-.


  254. unbelievable says:

    #285

    Grand slam, Ryan! If you haven’t, you should email this to the White House…


  255. unbelievable says:

    #284 Dear God. I must finally leave this site. Only a very few of you have any sense of history, logic, or critical thinking. No wonder Karl has been able to prepare the ground for his imperial fantasies with such pathetic mental midgets as the ones found slithering here. It’s obvious that none of the trolls are adults and most are a waste of skin. The majority of the Rovian Robots exhibit little if any evidence of intelligence and if they feel this is a battlefield for journalalism, I leave you with this. You are merely typists….

    Comment by circusfifthfloor — December 18, 2005 @ 10:49 pm

    What exactly have you contributed to be so critical of others?


  256. progressive and proud says:

    #288 – those who feel the need to shout out their intelligence are generally the most clueless.


  257. unbelievable says:

    #289

    Apparently so… :)


  258. Morpheus says:

    The system is working: it has you all blathering about approximations, distractions and diversions. What needs to happen is for all your random energy to be focused to remove the power in washington DC, and simultaneously send a message to the top Fortune 500 that has turned the 99% of the rest of us into slaves. The “DC Beltline” power cannot be differentiated from that of the Fortune 500. Until the caloused and greedy capitalists are brought to their knees, our country will continue to be hijacked by the imoral; Our jobs sent to other countries; and Our borders infiltrated by cheap labor to feed the pockets of the wealthy. Our country has lost its conscience. It has lost its heart.

    Or am I the only one who can see?


  259. unbelievable says:

    #291

    Definitely not. So, great idea. Wanna take the lead on this? Most of us have been doing what we can, but if you’d like to start and organize something else, this would be the place to coordinate efforts and garner support. What do you have in mind?


  260. Joefriday says:

    #291-Morpheus, Not alone…but, very few. They are lost in the Matrix. Need You and the ship to lead them out.


  261. Morpheus says:

    Evil cannot be slain by cutting off its tail;
    Greed and callousness are not rooted out by tearing down its house.

    Compassion and conscience cannot become awakened in the greedy and heartless by words alone;
    But by spoiling the roots upon which they feed and thrive;
    By the letting of the right blood, at the right time, in the right place, for the right way.

    Unsheathe one’s sword only when the heart is clean and only when there is no other way. Only then draw the sword swiftly, follow through, and see the head of greed lifeless on the ground.

    The calloused and greedy must sleep with one eye open, and learn to feed others with the hand that is not taking.


  262. circusfifthfloor says:

    Contributed you say? Much, much too much of my time. I shall leave you so you might feed off each other. No doubt, you will all starve. Farewell….Just kidding. I really love all you knuckleheads and would love having you all over for Christmas dinner…………Yea, Right.it’s late, so the clueless among us must get to bed.




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