Former Intel Chairman Graham: White House Made ‘No Reference’ to NSA Program In Briefings
Former Intel Chairman Graham: White House Made ‘No Reference’ to NSA Program In Briefings
This morning, Condoleezza Rice defended the NSA evesdropping program by arguing that congressional leaders — specifically “leaders of the relevant oversight intelligence committees” — had been briefed on the activities.
RICE: It’s been reviewed not just by the White House counsel but by the lawyers of the Justice Department and by the lawyers of the NSA, the National Security Agency, and by the Inspector General of the National Security Agency, and it has to be reauthorized every 45 days. And the Congress, the congressional leaders, including —
RUSSERT: Those are administration lawyers. Why not go to an objective court?
RICE: — including leaders of the relevant oversight intelligence committees have been briefed on this.
This is apparently not true. At the time the program was initiated, the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee was former Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL). On Friday’s “Nightline,” Graham made clear he had never once been briefed by the administration about the program:
There was no reference made to the fact that we were going to…begin unwarranted, illegal — and I think unconstitutional — eavesdropping on American citizens.
Read the full Graham transcript:
ABC: You were Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time the President signed this executive order. Vice President Cheney met with congressional leaders — I’m sure you were among them in 2002, is that correct?
GRAHAM: There was such a meeting. And the issue, then, was whether we could intercept foreign communications when they transited through U.S. communication sites. The assumption was that if we did that, we would do it pursuant to the law, the law that regulates the surveillance of national security issues. And there was no suggestion that we were going to begin eavesdropping on United States citizens without following the full law.
ABC: You’re saying you were not briefed as the Chairman of the Intelligence Committee at the point the President signed this?
GRAHAM: I was briefed. There was no reference made to the fact that we were going to use that as the subterfuge to begin unwarranted, illegal — and I think unconstitutional — eavesdropping on American citizens.
ABC: So if the administration says that you were informed about this action, they would not be telling the truth?
GRAHAM: We were not informed that this would be a pretense for using warrantless searchs to listen in to the private conversations of United States citizens.
ABC: Sounds like you were saying you were lied to.
GRAHAM: I think there has been a selective use of information to build a case that was already determined, rather than using intelligence for its intended purpose, which is to improve the decision-making process on a judgment that has not yet been determined.
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Can you say, “Impeach?”
December 18th, 2005 at 1:47 pmCondi’s a liar? I’m shocked.
The next Condi defense: “No one knew that they’d use be breaking the law spying on American citizens.”
December 18th, 2005 at 1:47 pmBy now, wouldn’t you think they’d collaborate on their lies before going on a pre-scheduled talk show? This extemporaneous lying isn’t working so well.
December 18th, 2005 at 1:49 pmI’ve been saying for a while in this forum that the President and his upper echelon have become clinically psychotic in their reality testing and reasoning. This just adds strength to my argument.
Read my thoughts on the matter plus other political musings at http://www.guntotingliberal.blogspot.com if you’re curious.
December 18th, 2005 at 1:55 pmI’d love to read your comments.
Wow, Nico found a partisan hack to lie about the administration. Shocking!
December 18th, 2005 at 1:56 pmAnd Condi’s no partisan hack, right wwallace?
December 18th, 2005 at 1:58 pmsomething to do about it..
http://scoop.epluribusmedia.org/story/2005/12/18/2421/5963
December 18th, 2005 at 1:58 pmhttp://americablog.blogspot.com/
Dear America,
Thank you for helping to insert my ideological and spiritual bretheren into the heart of the most oil rich region of the world. May we work in unity and peace and may WE be the ones to establish the cost of oil and the destination of the oil that America and Europe need to survive.
We are very happy that the Shia list has won and the relgious Shia will now rule Iran and Iraq.
Your old friend,
The Ghost of Ayatollah Khomeini
December 18th, 2005 at 2:00 pmNow here we go–every Dem leader will claim “we weren’t told”, every Repub leader will spew “we were told”. He said, she said. I find it hard to believe there wasnt a transcript of these meetings. The fact the Admin hasn’t trotted them out leads me to believe the Admin is the one lying….
December 18th, 2005 at 2:08 pm“The fact the Admin hasn’t trotted them out leads me to believe the Admin is the one lying….”
Yeah, right, no one would complain if the administration released transcripts of meetings in which highly classified national security matters were discussed. LOL
December 18th, 2005 at 2:10 pmThis moron should just cut his wrists along with the libertroll party.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:11 pmActually, what Graham said makes perfect sense but a careful read of what Condi said shows that she didn’t “lie”. They’re both right in a limited view. Graham explained it perfectly. Congress presumed that whatever information was being gathered was being done so legally and Condi never said that the Congress was told the information was gathered without a warrant.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:11 pmWow, fancy wwwallace defending every last thing coming out of this administration, no matter how treacherous, no matter how fictitious, no matter how unconstitutional. Some might call you a “PARTISAN HACK”!!! This administration is addicted to abuse of power, and you wwwallace are what we call an enabler.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:12 pmWhat about Sandy burgler stealing important papers from the arcives kill hinm.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:13 pmLieteller, #14, is a partisan hack.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:13 pmI DARE Democrats to press this. You will be pinned as the terrorist sympathizing lot that you are. #17 - you are anti-American and undeniably proven partisan hack and LIAR.
Bob Graham is a liar, but more importantly is irrelevant. The GOP can subponea his journal and see in fact, if he was ever told about these wiretappings.
It is beyond the pale for liberals to criticize Bush’s immediate post-9/11 actions when they did nothing but trash him for not doing anything to prevent him. There is a special place in hell for you treasonous folks.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:19 pm[Comment deleted by admin.]
December 18th, 2005 at 2:20 pm#19
Oh, we don’t believe in Hell… except for having to read your posts.
Hurts that it’s all falling apart, doesn’t it?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:20 pmIf the bomb fits blow it.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:20 pm#21 - the only thing falling apart is liberalism as we know it. The GOP will remain in control until Democrats stop living in denial and accept that America is at war.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:22 pm#20 We wouldn’t have enemies if it weren’t for the war mongering of the neo-conservatives. Remember, we hippies believe in peace. Nobody (sane) hates that.
Remember, the terrorists flew planes into the phallic symbol of fascist Corporate America, not into the Height-Ashbury District in San Francisco. You might wanna go mull that one over a while…
December 18th, 2005 at 2:23 pmDefenders of clearly illegal unlawful actions - get a grip!
What Bush did and has been doing since he stole office has lead him to be the MOST failed President in the history of the US.
Unlawful actions should, if this were a true democracy (which it’s not, but that’s a topic for another time) must lead to time spent in jail by those who committed the unlawful actions.
If we feel soooooo proud and dutybound to spread democracy around the world (including to oil laden places that did not have WMD or anything to do with 9/11), then perhaps as a nation we should practice what we preach. Spying on one’s own citizens makes this Administration NO BETTER than Germany’s Hilter or anyone we riled against during the rise and fall of the Soviet Union.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:24 pm#23
Wow, “They” say that denial is the drug of choice, seems that “They” were right again…
Bush’s approval rating is 38%. That is NOT the majority. Do you understand?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:25 pmWow. Rove must be paying extra for
December 18th, 2005 at 2:26 pmall the trolls today. Do they get
time and a half or did “Commander Codpiece”
eliminate the extra cost?
Looks like Chimpy may have pissed-off
REAL conservatives thus time.
That spells trouble.
Pretty obvious law breaking this time.
Guess that’s what pushed for the extra
troll charge today I suppose.
Read the new polls idiot its 50% morons.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:26 pmYou mean libertrolls?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:27 pm“We wouldn’t have enemies if it weren’t for the war mongering of the neo-conservatives.”
Yeah, but don’t question liberal’s patriotism!
Just for kicks, why don’t you explain exactly what “neo-con war mongering” caused all the terrorist attacks in Clinton’s term?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:27 pm#30
What, 50% of morons approve of Bush? You’re really down on that count as well. he usually scores higher with morons.
Must be down to like 30% of average people by now.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:28 pmBlah Blah
December 18th, 2005 at 2:29 pmGee #32,
Back to Clinton already?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:29 pmMust not have any excuse for Chimpy law-breaking.
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December 18th, 2005 at 2:31 pmIts a well known fact that the libertrolls hate the Military just ask john kerry and dick turbin shummer nasty polosi baroc osama and the drunk killer kennedy.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:31 pm#28 - what poll has Bush at 38%? Whatever trouble Bush is not as serious as having the commie left in charge. They hate this country. The comment in #25 proves it - you people HATE AMERICA and will not rest until we surrender in the War on Terror.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:32 pmlmmfao
December 18th, 2005 at 2:32 pm#32
You have heard of Ronald Reagan, and George H.W. Bush haven’t you?
I mean, that is YOUR theory here.
I’m not patriotic. I think invisible boundaries and wars over crossing them are assinine. I don’t say the pledge of allegiance, because that’s too fascist for me, and it violates seperation of church and state. And, unlike your blind allegience to a sinking Titanic, I won’t defend the Democrats when they break the law. I’m an Independent.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:33 pm#36,
A distinction without a difference.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:33 pmWing-nuts always bring up Clinton when
they have no argument.
I wonder if clinton got blowjobs from sandy burgler?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:34 pmSo wing-nuts,
Want to explain why you hate the bill of rights
December 18th, 2005 at 2:36 pmso much?
If Chimpy pulls the 2nd amendment will you
just as happy?
We dont hate that just you morons.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:36 pmSPYGATE….straw=camels back=end of bushie. Condi ‘I’m not a lawyer’..over and over,squirming badly because she knows this spying is against the law. Impeach or lose America. I don’t respond to trolls.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:37 pm#40 you are disgusting and un-American. You should be forced to live in Tehran since you hate your country so much.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:37 pm“We dont hate that just you morons.”
Converse in English much?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:37 pm“Wing-nuts always bring up Clinton when
they have no argument.”
True, Democrats bring him up often.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:38 pmBlah Blah Blah
December 18th, 2005 at 2:38 pm#38
Considering your screen name contains the word ‘liar’…
Lemme see if I follow you. We want to get along with the world so that no one flies planes into our buildings or attacks our consulates and that makes us anti-American. You want to wage war with the world to ensure that more innocent civilians and brave soldiers die, and that makes you American. Is that it? You’re nuts.
The reality is that you’re just in here mud-slinging because your precious party is being broken up by the police and you can’t handle it.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:39 pmWell,
It seems the trolls have regressed to 5th
December 18th, 2005 at 2:39 pmgrade. Not much point talking to them anymore.
lmao
December 18th, 2005 at 2:40 pm#51 - dream on. The only people in trouble are Democrats and their al-LIES in the MSM.
Who would you rather be President - Sadam or George W?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:40 pmYou know they want sadam
December 18th, 2005 at 2:41 pmlibertrolls
December 18th, 2005 at 2:42 pm#47
Being thousands of miles away from you is appealing… but considering you’re probably on the verge of a heart attack, I’ll wait it out.
Impeachment is in the air, and you know it.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:44 pmmoron
December 18th, 2005 at 2:44 pmI think most people feel as Keith does, GW and Saddam would be indistinguishable while awaiting trial. Both make good ex-presidents.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:45 pmI wonder how Chimpy will play this now
December 18th, 2005 at 2:46 pmthat it is clear only a small part of
his brain-dead base supports such an obvious
betrayal of the constitution?
Will he say mistakes were made?
Try to justify something so clearly
over-the-top?
Go cut brush at the “dude racnch”?
Zell Miller for President.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:47 pmNow this man makes sence.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:48 pm#57 - please try to impeach Bush. That will be met with a political force you have never seen before.
The GOP will have a voice vote on impeachment before the mid-terms. Democrats will run scared from it as usual. They are such cowards.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:48 pm#54
The Dems are in trouble? Yo do know that The Onion is satire, don’t you? Give me some examples of the Democrats being in trouble…
Saddam or George? That’s not a choice. They are equals.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:49 pm“Now this man makes sence.”
Still working on that English thing, yes?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:49 pmdont forget slobber lip mathues
December 18th, 2005 at 2:50 pmno cryen ryan
December 18th, 2005 at 2:51 pm#63
Now this man makes sence.
You mean sense? Ask Santa for a dictionary, and a first grade reader.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:51 pm“dont forget slobber lip mathues”
Still working on that English thing, yes?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:51 pmafter thought thats what ran down your daddys leg
December 18th, 2005 at 2:52 pm#69 dont forget slobber lip mathues
#70 no cryen ryan
Oh, he’s drunk…
December 18th, 2005 at 2:53 pmGod Bless the Honorable George W. Bush and God Bless the Republican Party.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:53 pmThe Bush/Rove Bully Machine is even alienating our allies in the hemisphere.
(Snip)
“BOGOTA, Colombia - Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, one of Washington’s best friends in South America, told the United States to stop “meddling” in his country’s affairs after the U.S. ambassador urged him to take steps against corruption in regional elections.”
In Europe, Germans want to know why the US has devolvedinto behaving like mobsters by paying “hush money” to innocent victims of abduction and torture by the Bush/Rove/Cheney KGB.
(Snip)
“BERLIN (Reuters) - German politicians expressed surprise on Thursday at reported U.S. comments that Washington had apologized and paid money to a German citizen it abducted to Afghanistan and held for months as a terrorist suspect.”
Even long time and traditional regional allies are being put-off by the bullying and intrusive American policies.
(Snip)
“RICHMOND, British Columbia (Reuters) - Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin escalated a war of words with the United States on Wednesday, telling Washington not to dictate to him what topics he can raise in the run-up to Canada’s January 23 election.
But U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins, who warned Canadian politicians on Tuesday not to bash the United States as part of their campaigning, denied on Wednesday he was trying to control the election debate.”
At least the US can rely on it’s one true friend in the world when it seems like the walls are closing in.
“Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was rushed to the Hadassah Ein Kerem hospital in Jerusalem at 7:50 p.m. Sunday evening.”
The current US administration is insuring that the world will continue to work against our best interests and will continue to cut deals and form new pacts and treaties against us. Bush and his policies are isolating the US and helping to encourage enemies and allies alike to work against the US.
Heckuva job Bushie.
-GSD
December 18th, 2005 at 2:53 pmWow.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:54 pmThe wing-nuttery must have only wanted to
pay for the low-budget trolls today.
These guys are really weak.
Where is IRI?
#76
God Bless the Honorable George W. Bush and God Bless the Republican Party.
Comment by RepublicanTeamLeader — December 18, 2005 @ 2:53 pm
There is no god
December 18th, 2005 at 2:54 pmIts good to be the only super power
December 18th, 2005 at 2:54 pmYes there is he also beleives in Merry Christmas.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:56 pmAt the trial Saddam insisted he is still president, he is still in charge, despite the fact that his people disapprove of him and his top assistants are all in jail or going to jail. No, I’m sorry, that’s President Bush.”
December 18th, 2005 at 2:56 pm–Jay Leno
#78
IRI? Oh, I called him a pig in another thread and he went away. I think I was the only woman talking to him this month and it hurt his feelings…
December 18th, 2005 at 2:57 pm#81
Yes there is he also beleives in Merry Christmas.
Comment by RepublicanTeamLeader — December 18, 2005 @ 2:56 pm
Nope, no god. Just some nut job wandering around here claiming to be him. But I think he said Happy Holidays.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:58 pmlol I beleive your party gets their news from guys that tell jokes,thats why we hold all seats of power.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:58 pmYou cant expect them to under stand.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:59 pm#85
Go sleep it off, or you’ll have a hang over in the morning.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:00 pmRepublican Team leader seems to only have one or one line at a time to post: #45, 50, 53, 55, etc. Him and that other rightwing turd, “liberal no more” are both evidently stumped for words.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but its kind of hard to say anything intelligent after swallowing down all those lies and shovels full of horseshit put out by the administration and its cronies.
Hey you two pukes, gobble it up, but no one here is going to swallow any of it.
Dipshits.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:00 pmThere is a God and he’s white and he hates all libertrolls and homos.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:01 pmJoe Sixpack, your ad hominem attacks violate the site Terms of Use and add nothing to the discussion.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:02 pm#86
You cant expect them to under stand.
Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 2:59 pm
You’re right - no one can understand your horrific grammar and English comprehension. Ever notice how your side can’t spell? Why is that? Ignorance, perhaps? The result of blind faith? Refusing to think?
December 18th, 2005 at 3:02 pmlol
December 18th, 2005 at 3:02 pm#89
There is a God and he’s white and he hates all libertrolls and homos.
Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:01 pm
Prove it.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:03 pmnow thats unbelievable
December 18th, 2005 at 3:03 pmcontact your senators and representatives by email;
http://www.house.gov/
December 18th, 2005 at 3:04 pmhttp://www.senate.gov/index.htm
http://www.newsmax.com/ archives/ ic/ 2005/ 12/ 18/ 125959.shtml
Can the radical left say backfire?
December 18th, 2005 at 3:04 pm#94
now thats unbelievable
Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:03 pm
No answer, eh? I thought not…
December 18th, 2005 at 3:05 pmNot without looking it up.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:05 pmIs that a nat buzzing around my head.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:06 pmProof of intelligent design: Think of all those intelligent religious GOP people that just happened to be born into a Christian family in a Christian State of the US and just happened to have the best president ever in the White House pushing the perfect agenda.
How could this happen by chance? What would have happened if some of these intelligent religious GOP people just happened to be born in Pakistan? QED
December 18th, 2005 at 3:07 pm#96
That’s like hanging the guy who saw you stealing the pig from the farmer, and exhonerating you, the pig thief, because the witness didn’t stop you.
Quick, take your remaining last two brain cells and find a conservative blog who will welcome your spin with open arms…
December 18th, 2005 at 3:09 pm#98
Not without looking it up.
Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:05 pm
You trolls never think for yourselves. We already knew.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:10 pmlolol
December 18th, 2005 at 3:10 pmWe are being swamped by them today? You know why? Desperation and fear.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:10 pmrotflmmfao
December 18th, 2005 at 3:11 pmGod is white?….wow….and he hates?…..WOW. My sundy school teacher will be shocked! Darwin didn’t hate anybody.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:11 pm#99
Is that a nat buzzing around my head.
Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:06 pm
Probably just the sound of your remaining brain cell expiring
December 18th, 2005 at 3:11 pmlololol
December 18th, 2005 at 3:12 pmThats still unbelievable.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:12 pmYou are right wwallace, #90. But then again, as a rightwing dipshit myself, I don’t have any class anyway. What can I say? Just a typical conservative jerk trolling on the site here.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but attacks on “libertrolls” and “homo’s” by Liberal No More in #89 proves my point. Us redneck, conservative, rightwing, dipshits like me, you, turdblossem (that’s short for Republican Team Leader) and old Liberal-Jerkoff-No More just can’t help ourselves in attacking the lefties here.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:13 pmMan its good to hold all power in this great nation and your just angry.lol
December 18th, 2005 at 3:13 pmlibertroll no more
December 18th, 2005 at 3:14 pm#100
Then they’d just happened to be born into an Islamic family in a Muslim Nation and just happened to have the best dictator ever in charge pushing the perfect agenda… :)
December 18th, 2005 at 3:15 pm#105
We are being swamped by them today? You know why? Desperation and fear.
Comment by incurious george — December 18, 2005 @ 3:10 pm
Pretty rampant today as the house of cards is truly collapsing…
December 18th, 2005 at 3:16 pmThank You for such a Happy Holidays Dear Pre. Bush.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:20 pmHOHOHO Happy Holidays Peasants, HOHOHO. (U 2 wwallace, iri,…)
P.S. Send your Charitable gifts to:Ebenezer Scrooge@reublican.com
Man its good to hold all power in this great nation and your just angry.lol
Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:13 pm
#
libertroll no more
Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:14 pm
This one gets the hook. He’s truly awful. He doesn’t even provide comic relief.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:21 pmBlah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah
December 18th, 2005 at 3:23 pmreform libertrolls and join a winning team
December 18th, 2005 at 3:24 pmLieberman and Zell did.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:24 pmHave you googled neocons lately? No wonder it’s not working anymore. I like this one, short and to the point and completely true and accurate.
All political persuasions agree neoconservatives are not conservatives. Irving Kristol, who accepts the title of neoconservatism’s “godfather,†has written that the neoconservative’s goal is:
“to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.â€
Two conservatives, Halper and Clarke, in their recent book, America Alone, conclude:”Neo-conservatives have taken American international relations on an unfortunate detour, veering away from the balanced, consensus-building … approach that has characterized traditional Republican internationalism … and acted more as a special interest focused on its particular agenda.”
How the neoconservatives maneuvered the U.S. into the Iraq War: Neocons began promoting the Iraq “detour” in 1996 through a report explaining why Israel needed Saddam removed from power. Richard Perle delivered this report to Netanyahu, then the new Prime Minister of Israel. Perle later became a key advisor to Rumsfeld. Wurmser, another author, became Cheney’s advisor on Mid-East affairs, while a third author, Feith, was appointed second in command under Wolfowitz.
Conservatives vs. Neocons: What conservatives says about neocons and what neocons say about conservatives.
Neocon & Deceptions: Leo Strauss, the neocons’ “philosopher,” taught that the elite (the neocons) need to deceive the masses who cannot handle or benefit from the “truth.” Consequently neocons feel justified in hiding the real reasons for the war behind the WMD excuse or giving secret documents or technology to Israel, since they know better what is good for America.
A Neocon Who’s Who: Special emphasis on those in the Administration.
A Neocon Timeline: A few important events in the development of the neocon ideology and the strategy for the Iraq war.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:26 pmLiberal Jerkoff No More, you need some indepth posts here. Your oneliners and namecalling really is some thin shit. Kind of like those narrow-crafted, oneliners Junior Bush uses in the speeches he reads.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but why don’t you and the other rightwingers stick to the subject here. You know—-about how Condi Rice stepped in shit on TV this morning, trying to invent some damage control and spin to cover over the administration’s catbox.
Did she sound like a complete idiot, or what? For as smart as she is, she is starting to sound just as stupid as that idiot Bush, don’t you think?
December 18th, 2005 at 3:26 pm#118
Ryan,
I was a kid when Watergate happened, and haven’t yet read up on it. Only remember my Republican parents saying it was a conspiracy (just like wwwallace and his ilk). Will probably do that this week, since the parallels you’ve pointed out are so similar. Thanks for the info!
December 18th, 2005 at 3:30 pmShut up fag I’m seeing how many of these shit hole blog sites I can get kicked off of so far its 7, so my little fag lovers and government check receivers blow me as our party holds all seats of power.I’m going to watch some football like a real man you little bitches stay here I’ll be back later if I’m not kicked off bunch of chump bitches.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:31 pmRyan, I’ve heard of the Incompetent Design theory, it provides support for the “Stupid Force Theorem” I’m working on. The SFT provides great insight into some certain aspects of our society at present!
December 18th, 2005 at 3:32 pm#121
reform libertrolls and join a winning team
Comment by liberal no more — December 18, 2005 @ 3:24 pm
No thanks, now go sell crazy somewhere else.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:33 pm126.
Brilliant.
God bless you. You are obviously channeling the thoughts of Jesus and the holy spirit.
-GSD
Now get back to beating your wife and looking at the nieghbors daughter with binoculars and don’t forget the tv dinner in the microwave. Also NASCAR is on in 20 minutes too.
PS. Dick Cheney has been receivin government checks for 30 some odd years now. Tell him to get off the gravy train.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:34 pmThese Republican Blackhearts are sounding more and more like eight year old playground bullies during recess. Time to send them to the “Principal’s Office”.
Seeing their leaders serving Five to Ten in the Pen just might take a bit of wind out of their sails.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:35 pmOff topic but interesting.
When our troops are not handpicked to spew Bubble boys propaganda we get the truth about how they feel.
Cheney rode the wave of last week’s parliamentary elections during a 10-hour surprise visit to Iraq that aimed to highlight progress at a time when Americans question the mission. Military commanders and top government officials offered glowing reports, but the rank-and-file troops Cheney met did not seem to share their enthusiasm.
“From our perspective, we don’t see much as far as gains,” said Marine Cpl. Bradley Warren, the first to question Cheney in a round-table discussion with about 30 military members. “We’re looking at small-picture stuff, not many gains. I was wondering what it looks like from the big side of the mountain — how Iraq’s looking.”
Shouts of “hooah!” from the audience interrupted Cheney a few times, but mostly the service members listened intently. When he delivered the applause line, “We’re in this fight to win. These colors don’t run,” the only sound was a lone whistle.
The skepticism that Cheney faced reflects opinions back home, where most Americans say they do not approve of
December 18th, 2005 at 3:36 pmPresident Bush’s handling of the war. It was unique coming from a military audience, which typically receives administration officials more enthusiastically.
Bush has time to get the AG approval and to tell select members of congress, but he doesn’t have time to go to a judge and get a warrant first? I don’t understand…
Bush / Cheney 2006!
Let the indictments begin!
December 18th, 2005 at 3:36 pmThese Republican Blackhearts are sounding more and more like eight year old playground bullies during recess. Time to send them to the “Principal’s Officeâ€.
That’s all they ever have been. All they are, and ever will be.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:37 pmThey’re spying on US citizens right now. George can do it no matter what. get used to it. You’re a tax slave, and there is nothing you can do about it.
‘Wage Slavery - it happened to you!’
December 18th, 2005 at 3:38 pm#127
Keep us posted. I have seen some interesting stuff over at American Atheist by Richard Zindler about Evolutionary ‘mistakes’ in general.. Tried to debate them with a couple of trolls, but they disappeared. Would be nice to have additional info on this though. The bones were something Ihadn’t seen before. Interesting stuff.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:38 pmhttp://www.newsmax.com/ archives/ ic/ 2005/ 12/ 18/ 125959.shtml
Can the radical left say backfire?
Comment by Keith O=Liar
I can’t seem to find another source for this amazingly newsworthy revelation. Can you possibly explain this without requiring me to be fitted for a Reynolds wrap chapeaux or you invoking alien abductions and UFOs or black helicopters?
December 18th, 2005 at 3:40 pmBwaaaaaahahahahaaaaa….we are listening to your private conversations you ratbastardcommiemofos! Can you hear me now? We can hear you just fine.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:44 pmTHIS ONE IN PARTICULAR
ARTICLE 2
2. He misused the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secret Service, and other executive personnel, in violation or disregard of the constitutional rights of citizens, by directing or authorizing such agencies or personnel to conduct or continue electronic surveillance or other investigations for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; he did direct, authorize, or permit the use of information obtained thereby for purposes unrelated to national security, the enforcement of laws, or any other lawful function of his office; and he did direct the concealment of certain records made by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of electronic surveillance.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:47 pm#137
Awesome! Thanks Huh! Uh-oh, IRI is back… think I’m gonna split. See you guys later.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:49 pm#
Bwaaaaaahahahahaaaaa….we are listening to your private conversations you ratbastardcommiemofos! Can you hear me now? We can hear you just fine.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
PROOF POSITIVE WHY IT’S NOT ONLY ILLEGAL, UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND UNAMERICAN, IT’S DANGEROUS TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY. IT ACTUALLY AIDS THE TERRORISTS. WHILE BUSH AND HIS MORONS ARE WASTING RESOURCES EAVESDROPPING ON POLITICAL ENEMIES AT HOME, DANGEROUS ENEMIES ABROAD GET A FREE PASS.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:50 pmP.S.
Thank you ThinkProgress for keeping this attrocity on the front page. Thank you for getting the perspective of both parties.
This is a crime that must not go unpunished.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:53 pmRatbastardcommmiemofos? Hey wwallace, is that what you ment in #90, like what I-RIGHT-I just said in #138?
Correct me if I’m wrong, RIGHT, but I can hear you. And just fine, I might add.
Hey, what’s you take on Condi? I saw her this morning on TV and if I hadn’t of listened to it like a real, redmeat, redblooded, conservative dipshit my myelf, I would swear she is just making up some of this crap as she goes along. Wouldn’t you?
Of course, I was kind of staring at her ass when I could, and trying to figure out how big her boobs are, but still, I heard enough from her to get a few doubts. How about you?
December 18th, 2005 at 3:55 pmHey, That http://www.newsmax.com/ looks like http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/05/12/edi05070.html
December 18th, 2005 at 3:57 pmbut with a different twist.
I think newsmax is republican.
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Is a Terrorist More Likely to Kill You with a Book or a .50 Caliber Sniper Rifle? The Answer to that Question Tells You a Lot About Why the [Un]Patriot Act is a Soviet-Style Power Grab and Has More to Do with Ensuring Long-term Republican Rule than Protecting Us.
A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL
December 18th, 2005 at 4:00 pmHey, what’s you take on Condi? I saw her this morning on TV and if I hadn’t of listened to it like a real, redmeat, redblooded, conservative dipshit my myelf, I would swear she is just making up some of this crap as she goes along. Wouldn’t you?Comment by Joe Sixpack
I missed it. The girls took a vote and decided to let me back in the co-ed Bible study so I had to go.
Of course, I was kind of staring at her ass when I could, and trying to figure out how big her boobs are, but still, I heard enough from her to get a few doubts. How about you?
I don’t know, I think she’s pretty hot for a Black chick boobs or no.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:04 pmIs a Terrorist More Likely to Kill You with a Book or a .50 Caliber Sniper Rifle? The Answer to that Question Tells You a Lot About Why the [Un]Patriot Act is a Soviet-Style Power Grab and Has More to Do with Ensuring Long-term Republican Rule than Protecting Us.
A BUZZFLASH EDITORIAL
Insuring long term Republican rule is protecting us. It’s protecting us from losers like you. By the way it doesn’t really matter if they shoot you with a .50 or drop a crate of Korans on your head, does it?
December 18th, 2005 at 4:07 pmlololololol
December 18th, 2005 at 4:12 pmThe secret spying was essential since Americans were told that the war was the primary reason for the absence of attacks since 911.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:15 pmOperation System Restore
Lets restore our country to a time:
1. Before exploding national debt
2. Before compassionless conservatism
3. Before the K-Street project
4. Before it was impssible for neutral experts to speak out and keep their jobs
5. The destruction of the integrity of the election system
6. Before the loss of media watchdogs
7. Before the destruction of the middle class by the changing the medicare system, bankruptcy laws and the tax laws.
8. Before pre-emptive war, torture, and spying on American citizens were legitimate activities of the United States government.
Anyone have anything to add?
OPERATION SYSTEM RESTORE.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:15 pmTHESE CLUELESS IDIOTS WILL GET US ALL KILLED.
Agents’ visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
By AARON NICODEMUS, Standard-Times staff writer
NEW BEDFORD — A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung’s tome on Communism called “The Little Red Book.”
December 18th, 2005 at 4:16 pmTwo history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library’s interlibrary loan program.
The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand’s class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents’ home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a “watch list,” and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
“I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book,” Professor Pontbriand said. “Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that’s what triggered the visit, as I understand it.”
Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He has not spoken to The Standard-Times.
The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.
The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts from Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.
In the 1950s and ’60s, during the Cultural Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly from the original book.
The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland Security agents told him the book was on a “watch list.” They brought the book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors said.
Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.
“My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think,” he said.
Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk.
“I shudder to think of all the students I’ve had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that,” he said. “Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless.”
Yeah, me too, RIGHT. Thinking she’s pretty hot, I mean. Except for that huge gap between her two big front teeth. But hey, beggers like me can’t be choosers, you know? Even aphrodite won’t have anything to do with me.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Condi’s ass is a lot smaller than Hillary’s. Kind of skinny little butt, really, but hell, as a trailer-country redneck, I won’t hold her ass against her.
Glad you got back into Bible study. I take it, that is an Evangelical group? I’m sure all the “ratbastardcommiemofo’s” here are all glad for you too.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:18 pm#96,
Keith,
I’m not sure if you knew this, but he could tell every single Congressman every single time he did it/does it, and it would still be illegal. Even though she expressed grave concerns for his actions, and it also might have been prudent for her to state something at that time, it’s still not up to Congress for Bush or any President to give their nod of approval/disapproval on this action. Rather, it’s entirely up to the FISA court to approve these wiretaps, and no one, not even the President has the authority to circumvent that court under any circumstances. You really should read the law - it is an education:
Until Congress decides to change the law, the President and everyone else must follow it.
Does that help?
December 18th, 2005 at 4:25 pmGlad you got back into Bible study. I take it, that is an Evangelical group? I’m sure all the “ratbastardcommiemofo’s†here are all glad for you too.
Comment by Joe Sixpack
Thanks, actually it’s just to the right and around the corner from Evangelicals. They tend to be a little wishy-washy about carpet bombing. We tend to look at it as a baptism by fire for the pagan enemies of the USA. It’s like a gentle nudge for them to consider repentance before we get really serious.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:28 pm“I shudder to think of all the students I’ve had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that,†he said. “Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless.â€
Comment by Huh!
I shudder to think what that asshole is teaching the kiddies.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:33 pmlibertroll assholes
December 18th, 2005 at 4:34 pmAmerica is dead. We need a new name for this country. “The Ununited States of Idiots” comes to mind.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:35 pmhehe
December 18th, 2005 at 4:37 pmBush didn’t tell anyone so there wouldn’t be a chance for anyone to object…
December 18th, 2005 at 4:37 pm“a conflict that was based in lies”
December 18th, 2005 at 4:49 pmNice take on “libertroll assholes”, liberal no more. I take it you used to be one? I mean, a liberal? I understand your arguement that you are no longer a libertroll at least.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but what was the “hehe” in #158? About Godfry’s take about the “United States of Idiots” in #157. Let me remind you who has complete control of the entire government before you chuckle about a title like that. I mean, as a rightwinger myself I’m appalled that you would laugh at the Republican Party in the same context as I-RIGHT-I’s take of “Ratbastardcommiemofo’s.”
Heheheheheheheh! Never mind—-Now I get it!!
December 18th, 2005 at 4:51 pmI haven’t seen this many Rightie trolls out since the JeffylubeGannonGuckertEscort 100times signed into the White House Story.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:55 pmYou know they are in trouble with this story when the trolls are out on the weekend.
wow
December 18th, 2005 at 4:56 pmI wonder if Jeff Gannon Escort Guckert was told. I bet he counts as a high ranking official. According to Secret Service that the ESCORT signed into The White House over 100 times and never signed out….
December 18th, 2005 at 5:01 pmI don’t know about the other right wing blogs, but redstate.org is pretty quiet now, other than the odd assertion that the crime rate in Baghdad is “substantially lower” than the crime rate in D.C. (no kidding, where do they come up with this stuff?) and the usual carping on Democrats and name-calling.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:09 pm#149CLP could you explain your comment for me, please?
December 18th, 2005 at 5:10 pmWhere’s Osama Bin Laden?
December 18th, 2005 at 5:12 pm#149, maybe you didn’t get the memo. Bin Laden is still at large.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:13 pmonly because slick willie didn’t take him when offered
December 18th, 2005 at 5:15 pmLNM, i love your name it has so much room for duality and ridicule. But here is my point, your last one #170, slick willie quip. My Question : So the fact that Slick Willie didn’t take him, from where or from whom, alleviates any future blame for his non capture? is that what your saying. Clarify for me if you care to. thanks
December 18th, 2005 at 5:20 pmI personally do not believe the war has been the reason for the absence of attacks since 911. I believe it is due to surveillance. The White House would have us think otherwise, Fly-man.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:23 pmNo thanks but the truth hurts lol.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:24 pm#157, “America is dead. We need a new name for this country. “The Ununited States of Idiots†comes to mind.”
Yeah, but nobody question his patriotism! ROFL
December 18th, 2005 at 5:25 pmSusan, “Bin Laden is still at large.”
Prove it.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:26 pm#152 - Joe - You’re such a moron (WorFEus assures all that the term ‘moron’ is not a personal attack - rather it is an apt observation). In the African culture the gap between the two front teeth is a sign of beauty. I would think that the ability to spit straight would appeal to your low rent mentality.
The REALLY amusing thing about this mornings talk shows was the nugget dropped by that wimp-MAN, Sen. Harry Reid. His admission that he had heard about the eavesdropping “scandal” several months ago was not news to anyone who knows what double talker Harry Reid is. (LOVED the way he answered the question about the $66,000.- from Jack Abramoff’s clients. For a moment the indignant Harry was speechless!!! Oh,that it were a permanent affliction!!)
December 18th, 2005 at 5:27 pmROFLMAO!!!
I love it when the trolls get desperate. And boy, are you guys desperate.
You’re only seeing the tip of the iceberg, but you’re gonna get to see the whole damned thing.
And all you little weenies can think to do is to rush over to some blog that actually prints the truth and shout “but Clinton….” and puff your self up with “God Bless the Republican Party”.
What a way to spend a Sunday. Deny your polls all you like — you aren’t going to convince anyone here, and even if you did, you aren’t going to change reality no matter how much you bluster.
What’s the matter — your neighbors don’t want to listen to your BS any more, so the only place you can spew is online? Poor little trolls ….
December 18th, 2005 at 5:29 pmI think you’re spending too much time on the internet, Fly-man. But when it comes to fighting in the streets I want you on my street, on my team. I’ll lead or follow. You decide.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:29 pmIs calling someone a moron acceptable on TP?
December 18th, 2005 at 5:31 pmIt should be an easy case:
* Commander codpiece admitted he broke the law
* Says he will continue to do so
Time for true patriots to impeach in the name
December 18th, 2005 at 5:33 pmof the founding fathers.
WoooooooHooooooo
December 18th, 2005 at 5:35 pmHarry Reid couldn’t “double talk” his way out of a wet paper sack. Mighty, please stop with all the pretend aggressions/transgressions/discretions(secretions)/anti-semitisms/****!!!.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:36 pmafterthought admitted he’s an agent of al Qaeda.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:36 pmIs it acceptable for a moron to call someone a moron at TP?
December 18th, 2005 at 5:38 pmBoy #185,
That is even more lame that you usually are.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:39 pmWant to explain why breaking the law is
okay?
Is there any law that it is not okay for
commander codpiece to break?
I see you really have no talking points yet.
Is Rove to busy with his “legal troubles”
to send you a fax?
Maybe afterthought will explain why he thinks it’s OK to be a terrorist. I’m sure the FBI would like to ask him that question too.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:41 pm#188,
You really have nothing do you?
December 18th, 2005 at 5:42 pmNothing at all?
Things must be desperate, all the 3rd string righty trolls are here typing their fat little hearts out… I almost miss Gee-A-Combover’s (Giacomo) quasi-lucid postings.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:42 pmNo thats libertrolls thank you.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:44 pmJerry, I think you have it just right.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:44 pmThe one good thing about Ronald Reagan’s presidency was that the rest of the world knew that he was unstable, uninformed and quite possibly dangerously disconnected from reality.
I think that’s the effect President Bush is striving for here. Once everyone realizes that the Constitution is “just a gawddamn piece of paper to him” and that he is willing to violate his own laws and screw his own people…other world leaders will grant him the sort of rueful respect that was previously reserved for Mao-Tse-Tung and Kruschev.
Bush knows that no one will ever like or admire him, so he’s opting to be feared and hated. After all, it works for Uncle Dick.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:44 pmLooks like nothing, afterthought. Which is EXACTLY what wwallace has offered in any substantive measure to the peace effort.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:45 pm“No thats libertrolls thank you.”
You through “Tip and Mitten” yet?
December 18th, 2005 at 5:46 pmTry “The Cat in the Hat”, maybe you will
get better at English soon.
muh haaaaaaa
December 18th, 2005 at 5:48 pm“The one good thing about Ronald Reagan’s presidency was that the rest of the world knew that he was unstable, uninformed and quite possibly dangerously disconnected from reality.”
And yet he won the Cold War anyway.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:48 pmDont you like the term libertroll?
December 18th, 2005 at 5:49 pmRunningDogLackey,
December 18th, 2005 at 5:51 pmThe president has a weak identity. What he is and does changes day to day. And I’ll bet the majority of the opinions he has about himself are fed to him by Rove. He thought the “mandate” was indicative of the quality of his individualism. He could only think that because he was told so.
At the end of the day his unpopularity is what’s going to save us.
“All Hat, no cattle”
December 18th, 2005 at 5:53 pmFake cowboy, frat-boy cheerleader.
Potemkin president.
Crooked crony conservative.
Reagan winning a cold war is a GOP myth. It’s not what the history books describe.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:53 pmBush knows that no one will ever like or admire him, so he’s opting to be feared and hated.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:54 pmLike”People fear Government.”.
WATCH OUT!
Carl, it’s what the accurate history books describe. YOu must’ve read one by a liberal. They constantly lie about Reagan and their own pro-Soviet actions during the cold war.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:55 pmReagan invented the “incompetence excuse”.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:56 pmThat must be worth something.
Will we ever NOT Learn?
December 18th, 2005 at 5:57 pmI Guess its gonna take WARS Upon Rumours of WARS!
Even that will not wake America up.
Bush it has been said will go down in history as one of the greatest Presidents of all time.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:58 pmDecember 18th, 2005 at 5:59 pm
Democrats are just bitter becasue President Bush accomplished the liberation of 50 million people in two nations and Clinton accomplished nothing of any real significance in 8 years.
December 18th, 2005 at 6:02 pm#210
Better watch those typos, LNM… you forgot the word “failed,” a in “Bush it has been said will go down in history as one of the greatest failed Presidents of all time.” You know, It wouldn’t hurt you to use a comma now and then- don’t worry, the comma wasn’t invented by the French.