Kristol: 9/11 Happened Because Clinton Didn’t Authorize A Warrantless Domestic Spying Program
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Kristol: 9/11 Happened Because Clinton Didn’t Authorize A Warrantless Domestic Spying Program
Fox News Sunday this morning:
BILL KRISTOL: I wish Bill Clinton had done this. I wish we had tapped the phones of people that Mohammed Atta, that Mohammed Atta here into the United States, if we discovered phone calls from Afghanistan to him. That’s why 9/11 happened. That’s what connecting the dots is.
JAUN WILLIAMS: If you’re going after the terrorists so would a FISA court support it, just as you support it.
The right-wing pundits have no real answer to this story. So they are going with what they know: blame Bill Clinton.
UDPATE: Crooks & Liars has the video.
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Isn’t everything that’s wrong in the world Clinton’s fault?
December 18th, 2005 at 10:24 amAs I recall, Clinton did make that request. The Republican controlled congress denied it. That means again it was the Republicans fault. Do some research Clinton did try to do just what Kristol says he did not do.
December 18th, 2005 at 10:27 amNice one! I wonder how many thousands of research hours it took for The Heritage Foundation to come up with this one?
December 18th, 2005 at 10:28 amdid Kristol recommend someone hose is fellow guest down? that wouldn’t surprise me…
December 18th, 2005 at 10:30 amThey will get dizzy from all that spinning.
December 18th, 2005 at 10:30 amJack Nicholson (Col. Jessup): Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you dont talk about at parties, you don’t want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to!
Jack Nicholson (Col. Jessup): You want answers?
Tom Cruise (Kaffee): I think I’m entitled.
Jack Nicholson (Col. Jessup): You want answers?
Tom Cruise (Kaffee): I want the truth!
Jack Nicholson (Col. Jessup): You can’t handle the truth!
Jack Nicholson (Col. Jessup): You f****n’ people. You have no idea how to defend a nation. All you did was weaken a country today, Kaffee. That’s all you did. You put people’s lives in danger. Sweet dreams, son.
Tom Cruise (Kaffee): Don’t call me son. I’m a lawyer and an officer in the United States Navy. And you’re under arrest, you son of a bitch.
Sound Familiar???
December 18th, 2005 at 10:33 amJust as an aside. Tapped phone calls in organized crime and RICO cases rarely do any good just by themselves. The objects of the surveillance rarely “speak plainly”, never in fact. You need someone on the inside, like a Donnie Brasco. It will be a cold day in Hell before we can manage that, thanks to the constant bungling of this administration. What Kristol is suggesting would have achieved nothing.
December 18th, 2005 at 10:34 amThe spinning is now so ridiculous that you just have to laugh. The neoCONS are trapped by their own rhetoric and actions, so look for increasingly outrageous comments like this to become the norm.
December 18th, 2005 at 10:36 amIf the neocons are using senseless argument tO blame Clinton for 9-11 , let me make an argument , perhaps more plausible : The bush administration ,knowingly or unknowgly was negligent and derelict in its duties to prevent 9-11 to happen for a damn good excuse to go into Iraq . And the real purpose of this stupid foreign adventure is and always was
OIL AND NOTHING ELSE .
December 18th, 2005 at 10:36 amSound Familiar???
Comment by IraqVet
Yes it does IraqVet, and so many on the right, (not you, Sir) like to quote this rather well know response from a fictional Col. to a fictional request for the truth, in a fictional play written by a real liberal, Aaron Sorkin, then made into a fictional movie, produced by another real liberal, Meathead (Rob Reiner), the smoking nazi, who I would never vote for as Gov of CA, I will vote for Annette Benning’s hubby, she’ll look hot in the WH some day), and based on a remark often attributed to… George Orwell.
Did George Orwell ever say: “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf?” Or: “We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us?”
Not exactly. But he did make comments that were along similar lines. In his essay on Rudyard Kipling (1942), Orwell wrote: “[Kipling] sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilised, are there to guard and feed them.” And in his ‘Notes on Nationalism’ (1945) he wrote: “Those who “abjure” violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.” Where the rough men crept in is anyone’s guess.
I prefer this quote of Orwell’s:
If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
Many so-called Orwell scholars don’t even understand Orwell. If they did, they would know that Saddam was “our rough man” protecting us from what Bush has wrought.
December 18th, 2005 at 10:41 amDemocrats issued 1,052 subpoenas to probe alleged misconduct by the Clinton administration and the Democratic Party between 1997 and 2002, at a cost of more than $35 million. By contrast, the committee under Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), chairman of the House Government Reform Committee, has issued three subpoenas to the Bush administration, two to the Energy Department over nuclear waste disposal at Yucca Mountain, and one last week to the Defense Department over Katrina documents.
That’s checks and balances for ya!
December 18th, 2005 at 10:42 amAddentum to #9
And the rest is polemics and useless verbiage to LEGALISE : THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.
December 18th, 2005 at 10:42 amAnd Wasnt it BUSH SR that signed the Paper in 1991 that started this MESS?
And Wasnt it AGAIN Wolfowitz
that Was the BRAINS behind the First GULF war?
And Wasnt it the NEO=KOOKS the 1st Reagan, Bush Sr, and Cheney Whom Armed Osama and Saddam?
And Wasnt it April Glaspie WHOM TOLD Saddam They Took no Position?
And wasnt SADDAM backed by the CIA at one point? A tool of the President?
And Wasnt all THIS because of the BALANCE of Power? in the Region?
And Wasnt it this TYPE of Intervention, then, that IS THE CAUSE?
and whom Kuwait the Slant Drilling Equipment?
WHom SOLD SADDAM WMD?
WHOM SOLD SADDAM helocopters?
WHOM SOLD OSAMA ROCKETS?
YOU ‘ELITES’ can TRY to blame this ON CLINTON, THATS OK. HES ONE OF “YOU” ANYWAY.
KEEP ON BLAMING
Mr KRISTOL
And MR CHENEY
YOU ARE ONLY
BLAMING YOURSELVES
AND YOUR
ME ME
Society
OF MONIED
WAR MONGER
once AGAIN war has been fomented by THE Corporate Crooks, and KRISTOL is one of the HEAD Cheerleaders..
Why Are you NOT going after these THINK Tank KOOKs?
and the BIG supporters of this?
The Foundations?
The THINK KOOKS?
The Adviser KOOKS?
Like AEI
CEI
HERITAGE
ALL YOU WHACK JOB IDEOLOGUES
AND
YOUR
ORGAN
GRINDING
MONKIES
Operation Yellow ELEPHANT.
December 18th, 2005 at 10:43 amIs there any difference between a Democrat who is a religious maniac and thinks he’s above the law and a Republican who is a religious maniac and thinks he’s above the law? You’d probably have to be an American to see it. The rest of the world thinks you’re all a bunch of crazy christians anyway. Or is that just me?
December 18th, 2005 at 10:46 amOIL AND NOTHING ELSE
uh, no.
you are coming up way short: Oil, defense contracts, and Israel
December 18th, 2005 at 10:48 amThat’s called blind party loyalty on the Republicans part. Democrats understand that power must always be questioned, even if it’s your party in power. I only bash the Republicans because they’re the party in power. This isn’t about bashing Bush or bashing Clinton to spare Bush from having to be responsible for his actions. It’s simply about our right to know about government corruption, so we can hold those responsible accountable by voting them out of office.
December 18th, 2005 at 10:51 amWhat. A. Pile. Of. Crap.
it’s totally astounding to me how supposed intelligent people like kristol would have you believe he is can go to such outrageous lengths to rationalize the criminal behavior of george w. bush…
http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/
December 18th, 2005 at 11:01 amIf I can tap these phones and email without FISA authorization because I’m president, why do I need the Patriot Act? Cannot I do whatever I want to whomever I want whenever I want without authorization from anyone? Le Twat c’est Moi.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:09 amMerry Christmas To ALL you trolls who support me.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:10 amhttp://www.stcharleschristmas.com/
http://www.stcharleschristmas.com/
December 18th, 2005 at 11:10 amMERRY CHRISTMAS!
December 18th, 2005 at 11:13 amhttp://www.stcharleschristmas.com/
Ebenezer Scrooge
Country of Origin: England
or the greed of money, Ebenezer Scrooge let young love slip through his fingers and aged without the companionship of his nephew Fred, his only living family. He became a profitable business man, but at the expense of fair wages and betterment of his clerk, Bob Cratchitt.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:15 amBob Cratchitt
Country of Origin: England
n “A Christmas Carol”, Charles Dickens draws out his visionary ideals of the “Christmas Spiritâ€. Coming from poverty during the industrial growth of Victorian England, Dickens’s knew first hand both the suffering of the working poor, and the greed of high society.
In Bob Cratchitt
December 18th, 2005 at 11:17 amI, for one, am happy to allow the President to tap the phone conversations (land-line,cellular or broadband) of any one engaged in the War on Christmas and to do so without a warrant. Frankly, the need to uncover this liberal, secular plot,carried out through secret communications, violates every standard of decency. Our Judeo-Christian values dictate the need for extraordinary measures exercised by the President in his sole discretion.
Anything other than that, he needs to get a warrant. The war on terror in Iraq has resulted in a victory.
For Iran.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:23 am#14
No, it’s not just you. Religion makes people believe in supernatural powers. That in itself is dangerous enough, but when you factor in fire power from bullets to WMD, it’s a recipe for disaster. Current state of affairs is clearly evidence enough.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:24 amSo if Clinton had instituted the policy would Bush have read the intelligence report handed to him in August 2001 (you remember – Bin Laden determined to attack . . .) everything that followed could have been avoided. Incompetence is the real reason the US is in the mess that it’s in. Now somehow Bush needs the [un]Patriot Act, Homeland Security as well as the NSA, CIA, FBI. What the American people need is someone competent and intelligent in the White House.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:28 amThis NSA story begs for a Special Counsel to investigate what actually took place. The Congress cannot investigate it because most Republicans will try to defend this clear violation of US Law. And witnesses will not dare lie to a special counsel or try to stone wall them. The Scooter libby case will make sure to that. Also a Special Counsel will go where ever this take him/her, even if it reaches the President. The democrats should be insisting that a Special Counsel be appointed, that’s the only way we will get to the bottom of this.
The President’s statement yesterday doesn’t fool me, he had the right to do exactly what he did, but he had to go through a Secret Court first. This is the latest in an attempt to turn this Country into a dictatorship by the President. Why do I say that? If we continue to let the President do what ever he wants without any check on his power, then the Constitution ceases to exist.
No one is above the Law including the President. If he can just ignore the laws he doesn’t like, then why do our laws exist? I as an American Citizen am afraid of Big Brother and we all need to think twice about uncontrolled government power. Conservatives claim they are against big government, well are they against Big Brother or for it?
December 18th, 2005 at 11:30 am#14
Depending on which survey you believe anywhere from 12% to 20% of Americans are non-religious. Unfortunately, we’re not the ones who speak the loudest. It’s people like Bill O’Reilly and his imaginary war on Christmas, or Bill Kristol and his blind faith in the Republican party. Try to speak out against religion in this country and you find out how few of them actually practice what they preach about Jesus’s tolerance and love.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:30 amWhy do we have the NSA and the CIA? Aren’t they redundant?
December 18th, 2005 at 11:33 am“In the war on terror, we cannot afford to be without this law for a single moment,” [Bush regarding the lack of votes on reauthorizing the Patriot Act] Has anybody questioned him as to why he even needs law anymore? He seems willing to both disregard law and to admit to his disregard of the law [wire tapping with out a warrant] with full knowledge that nothing will be done about it. Impeach this fool.
And yes, everything that is bad in this world is Clinton’s fault. Kristol is a moron.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:34 amOh, yeah. I’m sure Bill Kristol wishes Bill Clinton had engaged in warrantless survellience of U.S. Citizens. When did the right wing start seeing Clinton as trustworthy?
They went nuts over the FBI file fiasco. Does anyone really think they wouldn’t have gone ballistic over Clinton potentially spying on right wing nutcases?
Because when we’re talking about ignoring the law that provides oversight, all we’re left with is trusting that the people doing the spying are doing the right thing. I don’t recall a whole lot of trust of Bill Clinton on the part of the wingnuts.
Power corrupts. That’s the whole reason we have FISA. Amazing that the wingnuts, normally so distrustful of government power, suddenly want to hand it so much authority.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:37 am“The information revolution has led to information overload, and people are confronted with hundreds of messages each day. Although few studies have looked at this topic, it seems fair to suggest that many people respond to this pressure by processing messages more quickly and, when possible, by taking mental short-cuts.
Propagandists love short-cuts — particularly those which short-circuit rational thought. They encourage this by agitating emotions, by exploiting insecurities, by capitalizing on the ambiguity of language, and by bending the rules of logic. As history shows, they can be quite successful.”
source: http://www.drmenlo.com/abuddha/echalon.html
December 18th, 2005 at 11:39 amTo: Charles Dickens.
From:Jesus, Son of God.
Dear Charles,
Keep up the Good Fight.
Sincerly
December 18th, 2005 at 11:41 amJesus, Son of God.
Dear Freedom Lovers.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:43 amFreedom is Propaganda.
Reread my Book I gave to you.
#34 God
I read your book. It was contradictory, filled with violence, incest and intolerance. You wrote “The four corners of the Earth” when the world is not flat, but round. How exactly am I supposed to believe your onmipotence after that faux-pas?
December 18th, 2005 at 11:48 amThis is the same government that is also spying on peaceful protests and Quakers! We’re supposed to trust people who aren’t smart enough to know the difference between a bunch of Quakers and an Islamic terrorist group??
December 18th, 2005 at 11:50 amKristol – once a fascist, always a fascist! -Kevo
December 18th, 2005 at 11:52 am#33 & #34
December 18th, 2005 at 11:54 amI too read your book. There is no mention of Christmas or any of the other “Christian” holidays in it. It also mentions that killing is not permitted. Is this a typo?
Bill Kristol, the smug neocon, who thinks he has all the answers. WRONG!! He cannot admit that his man is not only incompetent, he is dangerous to the world and to the USA. Stuff a sock in it, Bill.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:54 amThey really have to drop the word “News” from their name…
December 18th, 2005 at 11:54 amBack then, The people I created Believed the World was Flat. Why would I lead Them on to Believe Otherwise, They were Free to Believe in whatever they wanted to Just as you are my Daughter.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:57 am# 38, It all ties into what I really want You too Know.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:59 amYou Need Me. No?
Do you wonder if anyone who posts here is under surveillance by GWB? War protesters, dissenters are all grouped together under a cloud of suspicion. All foreign nationals, particularly of Middle Eastern descent, or maybe if you only LOOK Middle Eastern. Maybe if you’re not blonde and blue-eyed. Maybe if you have a bumper sticker on your car. Maybe if you marched and carried a sign somewhere. Maybe if you wrote a letter to a newspaper or an op-ed that challenged the administration.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:00 pmWho have they included into their cross-hairs, only to be “caught” if they jaywalk, or don’t pay a parking ticket, or continue their “subversive” activities as allowed under the Constitution —
Wait, Bush doesn’t believe in the Constitution, he curses it, it gets in his way, he doesn’t even need his beloved Patriot Act if he can operate with impunity.
#41
But “the” Bible (as there are currently 16 different versions in print) is supposed to be YOUR word, not theirs. So, their beliefs shouldn’t have had anything to do with it…
Wanna keep going? You’ll do better to go to a Christian website where no one has actually read your book.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:00 pm#43 – the thought has crossed my mind.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:01 pm#42
It all ties into what I really want You too Know.
You Need Me. No?
Comment by God — December 18, 2005 @ 11:59 am
Isn’t God supposed to be perfect? Wouldn’t that apply to his grammar as well?
Seriously, so find some Christian blog.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:02 pmYou need me just as the terrorists need me, just as your president needs me, just as other nations need me.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:03 pmbut, I cannot help you if you continue to push to be free from me..
Why do we have the NSA and the CIA? Aren’t they redundant?
Comment by unbelievable
The CIA does many things the NSA does not do. The NSA does one thing and one thing only. Listen to or read anything and everything of an electronic signals or communications nature. It’s passive whereas the CIA is active as well.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:04 pmSeems like Bill Kristol has his math wrong. September 11, 2001 happened while George W. Bush was in office, not Bill Clinton.
Nice try Neo-fascist crackhole Kristol.
Five years ago today George W. Bush uttered these words in public.
“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier…just as long as I’m the dictator…”
–Washington, DC, Dec 18, 2000, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect
5 years and he finally got his dream dome true.
-Heckuva Job Orwell
-GSD
December 18th, 2005 at 12:05 pm#43
Absolutely. I figure it’s why they ask for all your information when you email anyone at the White House, so they can add you to their database…
December 18th, 2005 at 12:05 pm#43 I’ve been wondering about that since 1969.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:06 pmGod,
We need you to get the criminal shitbag nazi out of the people’s White House. Otherwise we need you to go someplace else with your drivel.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:06 pmIraqVet, #11: “Democrats issued 1,052 subpoenas to probe alleged misconduct by the Clinton administration and the Democratic Party between 1997 and 2002, at a cost of more than $35 million. By contrast, the committee under Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), chairman of the House Government Reform Committee, has issued three subpoenas to the Bush administration”
That’s because a lot of Democrats are crooks, especially in the Clinton administration.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:07 pm#47
Look, guy, I grew up Christian. I choose to be an Atheist. Go find a group of people operating a website with the word Jesus in the title, and you’ll find all teh neediness you crave. Those of us here aren’t at church for a reason.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:08 pmvesparia, we already knew bin Ladin wanted to attack the US well before the August 2001 PDB. There was nothing new, nothing actionable, in that report. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous partisan spin.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:08 pm#48 KillCon,
But really, don’t they have the same goal? I mean, it seems like they have different functions under the same umbrella. Do they work together? I’m trying to understand why they both need to exist… ’cause it seems that this adds to the problem we have of competition between them to police the world.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:11 pmI am coming back regardless if you believe you need me or not.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:21 pmThe Bush administration itself was not actionable, no matter what the intelligence. Clinton’s active hunt of bin Laden was under “review” but had to take a back seat to quashing Clinton’s environmental policies. Bush’s goal was a complete break from Presidential continuity. That he addressed environmental regulations before terrorism should tell you something about his priorities.
Besides, you know the old saying: The harder I work, the luckier I get. Bush’s month-long vacations tend to make him very unlucky.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:22 pmI am coming back regardless if you believe in me or not.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:22 pm#48 KillCon,
But really, don’t they have the same goal? I mean, it seems like they have different functions under the same umbrella. Do they work together? I’m trying to understand why they both need to exist… ’cause it seems that this adds to the problem we have of competition between them to police the world.
Comment by unbelievable
That’s the big gubmint these carnival freaks conveniently ignore. After 9/11 they made it worse. We have more to fear from them than al-Queada and all Americans can see that now. This is contrary to all actual Republican and conservative ideals.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:23 pmI Know where Osama is.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:24 pmI Know his Intentions.
#47
Look, guy, I grew up Christian. I choose to be an Atheist. Go find a group of people operating a website with the word Jesus in the title, and you’ll find all teh neediness you crave. Those of us here aren’t at church for a reason.
Comment by unbelievable
I’m an agnostic most of the time. Uncertainty is cool. It’s so hard for people to say “I don’t know” these days.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:24 pmI Know where Osama is.
I Know his Intentions.
Comment by God
Everyone knows where he is. everyone knows what his intentions are.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:25 pmThat’s because a lot of Democrats are crooks, especially in the Clinton administration.
Comment by wwallace — December 18
Show us the indictments.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:26 pm#55 That was the report that said OBL was determined to attack the INSIDE the US possibly with hijacked planes.
The incompetence and failures of this administration are now historical facts. It doesn’t matter what party or planet you’re from.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:28 pm#60
That’s the big gubmint these carnival freaks conveniently ignore. After 9/11 they made it worse. We have more to fear from them than al-Queada and all Americans can see that now. This is contrary to all actual Republican and conservative ideals.
Comment by KillCon 2006 — December 18, 2005 @ 12:23 pm
I couldn’t agree more… it truly is Orwellian. I read something recently that said that there’s are no hard numbers because the government squashes them, but record numbers of Americans are expatriotating. Not a bad idea anymore.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:29 pmAnd remember, “anyone can indict a ham sanwich” so show us the convictions, too. I think there was one, Cisneros, reversed later on appeal. You are going to regret bringing this up. It may take awhile, but you won’t be around to eat the shit sandwich, will ya?
December 18th, 2005 at 12:30 pm“Juan,” not “Jaun”
December 18th, 2005 at 12:31 pm#62
I’m an agnostic most of the time. Uncertainty is cool. It’s so hard for people to say “I don’t know†these days.
Comment by KillCon 2006 — December 18, 2005 @ 12:24 pm
Well, we’re all really Agnostic if you think about it… Some choose to have faith, some don’t, and some decide not to decide :) It’s all cool. I just don’t care for it when those with faith try to force it down the throats of others, because they don’t know either.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:32 pmGod (in this thread) = nofreedom!. Stay on topic at least… you’re just contributing to the noise level.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:35 pmcynical hippie: “Clinton’s active hunt of bin Laden”
LOL
And Bush has not “quashed environmental policies”
December 18th, 2005 at 12:41 pm#70
Ah, I see the similarities…
Actually, ignoring people like him creates a situation like the Condi Rice post (above this one) where he just keeps posting ad nauseum. I teach high school, and most of the time, if you give them some form of acknowledgment that counters their proclamation, they shut up. Unfortunately, this does not apply to people like wwwwwallace, who should just be ignored.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:42 pmKillCon, don’t you know how to use Google, you ignoramus? LOL:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=clinton+administration+indictments&btnG=Google+Search
December 18th, 2005 at 12:42 pmYes I do, and that crap is all over the internet, like UFOS and alien abduction and other conspiracy theories.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:45 pmKillCon, calling facts “crap” will not make them untrue, you nut. LOL
December 18th, 2005 at 12:46 pmYou are the ignoramus for thinking that crap flies here. Take it to Freep and LGF.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:46 pmIt’s all George’s fault! George Washington.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:49 pmThe Clinton Era by the Numbers
History of White House Staff Indictments
It was Secretary of Agriculture Mike Espy who was acquitted on each of 30 charges of illegally accepting gifts such as sports tickets, lodging, and transportation from companies regulated by his department in exchange for favors.
These are the only two convictions. You’d think with a GOP controlled congress they could have manufactured more. Nice try ignoramus.
HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros was indicted on 18 counts of conspiracy, giving false statements and obstruction of Justice. He pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor of lying to the FBI about the amount of money he gave his mistress, political fundraiser Linda Medlar. Medlar plead guilty to 28 counts related to the investigation. Both Medlar and Cisneros were pardoned by Clinton.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:53 pmBoth Medlar and Cisneros were pardoned by Clinton.
Uh-oh, guess we now know how the Delay situstion will turn out…
December 18th, 2005 at 12:55 pmNo, 9/11 happened because PNAC including Bill Kristol, MADE IT HAPPEN.
9/11 cannot be blamed on the fact that the United States Constitution protects American citizens from oppressive government.
The day that happens, we might as well give it all up now and report for SLAVE DUTY.
Those who trade liberty for security deservedly get NEITHER.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:55 pmWwallace – of course Bush didn’t quash environmental policies. Rather, he’s put in place people at the EPA, Parks service, etc who support big business. He denies as policy global warming, alienated much of the world by not signing onto the kyoto, refuses to institute a manhattan project for alternative energy, wants to open up anwar. The president’s environmental record is an unfettered ass kissing to big business.
But back to the business at hand, Russert brought up the “I” word under guise of “constitutional crisis”. So wallace, you better get that conjugal visit with Bush scheduled.
December 18th, 2005 at 12:59 pmAdmittedly, it is a long haul from here to impeachement, but with the MSM starting to catch on, and the president clearly violating the law, I think people will demand an investigation at the least.
December 18th, 2005 at 1:02 pmmorgan, given that the Kyoto treaty would have no effect other than damaging the economy even if completely implemented, only a complete idiot would sign on to it.
December 18th, 2005 at 1:06 pmmorgan, there’s no basis to impeach President Bush, because he hasn’t engaged in any wrongdoing.
December 18th, 2005 at 1:08 pmWhy is Kristol using Atta as an example?
Why isn’t Kristol using Bin Laden as an example? Supposedly he was the mastermind who enabled the highjackers to live and operate in America.
Where’s Osama Bin Laden?
wwwwallace, could you please answer the Bin Laden question for me..please, its important that he be captured.
December 18th, 2005 at 1:11 pmMorgan, we can impeach Bubble boy for not capturing the mastermind (Bin Laden) of the 9-11 attacks.
Call your Representatives and Senators and demand impeachment hearings.
Let them know that they will not get your vote if they do not support impeachment. Republican or Democrat, let them know.
December 18th, 2005 at 1:13 pm#86, Not capturing bin Ladin is an impeachable offense? LOL
I assume you would have supported the impeachment of Bill Clinton on that basis then.
Since he’s probably dead now, it doesn’t matter much where he is.
December 18th, 2005 at 1:15 pmPeople, what would have been wrong with tapping Mohammad Atta’s phone in America?
December 18th, 2005 at 1:58 pmHmmm, it must be wonderful to have such a selective memory that Kristol would forget Richard Clark’s book “Against All Enemies” (as if he even read it), or the fact that bush was warned, what was the name of the memo again, oh, yeah, “binLaden Determined to Attack Inside the United States”, presented to him by Condi “we don’t torture, unless we feel it’s necessary” Rice and than continued on his vacation.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:00 pmOf course let’s not mention that binLaden is still running free along with all the other top members of alQaede and the Anthrax killers. Nah, forget about all that.
IT’S CLINTON’S FAULT!
gonnuts, “binLaden Determined to Attack Inside the United States” was known throughout the 1990s, when Clinton did virtually nothing about it. That general statement of fact was not news in any way in August of 2001. Only idiots try to claim otherwise.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:03 pmThe only thing slick willie had on his mind was smut and what he could do to Monica L. and not his lezbo wife.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:07 pmThem screwey libertrolls are full of crap.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:08 pm#93
What is today – free internet access for the whack jobs?
I find it amusing how obsessed the wingnuts are with Bill Clinton’s sex life. Pure envy.
Have anything to say about the topic?
December 18th, 2005 at 2:16 pmIIIIIIIII didn’t have sexual relations with that woman Monica L. that stain is gravy lmmfao.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:22 pmslick willie did ugly women including his lizbo wife
December 18th, 2005 at 2:24 pm[...] When all else fails and they’re caught with their pants down, the right reverts to “it’s Clinton’s fault.” Kristol: 9/11 Happened Because Clinton Didn’t Authorize A Warrantless Domestic Spying Program [...]
December 18th, 2005 at 2:51 pm99. RepublicanTeamLeader … I suppose Clinton is responsible for DeLay’s and Frist’s, et al, ethics problems? The southern ice storm this week was most assuredly Bill’s fault, correct? Does the right-wing ever accept responsibility for anything? Frankly, your whining reminds me of a spoiled tot.
December 18th, 2005 at 2:55 pmEllis, I suppose Clinton is responsible for nothing?
December 18th, 2005 at 3:00 pm6. And “Col Jessup” was disgraced in the end as an arrogant, self-righteous “leader” who made his own rules (e.g., ignored the code), and was arrested for it.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:01 pm104. I suppose Bush is responsible for nothing? The shrub is always correct? A perfect man? The issue here is this administration’s flagrant and capricious disregard for the rule of law. For stict Constitutional (you remember that “GD piece of paper” I’m sure) constructionalists, you take great liberties with violating it.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:06 pmYou know, Mr. Kristol’s remark was made after Juan Williams said Kristol wouldn’t have accepted this abuse of power from a democrat. Kristol was just saying he would support the behaviour from anyone, even Bill Clinton.
The implication that 9/11 planning would have been interrupted was just an aside. The point is, he wasn’t blaming Clinton out of the blue – it was a response to a challenge from Mr. Williams.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:23 pmHave you googled neocons lately? No wonder it’s not working anymore. I like this one, short and to the point and completely true and accurate.
All political persuasions agree neoconservatives are not conservatives. Irving Kristol, who accepts the title of neoconservatism’s “godfather,†has written that the neoconservative’s goal is:
“to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy.â€
Two conservatives, Halper and Clarke, in their recent book, America Alone, conclude:”Neo-conservatives have taken American international relations on an unfortunate detour, veering away from the balanced, consensus-building … approach that has characterized traditional Republican internationalism … and acted more as a special interest focused on its particular agenda.”
How the neoconservatives maneuvered the U.S. into the Iraq War: Neocons began promoting the Iraq “detour” in 1996 through a report explaining why Israel needed Saddam removed from power. Richard Perle delivered this report to Netanyahu, then the new Prime Minister of Israel. Perle later became a key advisor to Rumsfeld. Wurmser, another author, became Cheney’s advisor on Mid-East affairs, while a third author, Feith, was appointed second in command under Wolfowitz.
Conservatives vs. Neocons: What conservatives says about neocons and what neocons say about conservatives.
Neocon & Deceptions: Leo Strauss, the neocons’ “philosopher,” taught that the elite (the neocons) need to deceive the masses who cannot handle or benefit from the “truth.” Consequently neocons feel justified in hiding the real reasons for the war behind the WMD excuse or giving secret documents or technology to Israel, since they know better what is good for America.
A Neocon Who’s Who: Special emphasis on those in the Administration.
A Neocon Timeline: A few important events in the development of the neocon ideology and the strategy for the Iraq war.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:26 pm#97
It’s because they’re all fat stupid nerds (remember the photos from the – faithful 400 that showed up at the DC protest?) who can’t get it on with the ‘ladies’. Clinton was smooth, and they hated him for it. It’s ‘envy’ of the most pathetic kind.
Comment by Ryan Neat — December 18, 2005 @ 2:18 pm
Thanks for reminding me, that was hilarious… 400 protestors. Oooh, that’ll show us!
December 18th, 2005 at 3:45 pmBill Kristol, you dimwit….read the very partison 911
December 18th, 2005 at 3:52 pmreport…..Clinton could not even go after the Cole bombers,
because the rightwing congress would not allocate the money,
accusing him instead of …”Wagging the Dog”….can you
people at Fox ever just see the light??? Or can you at least read…it is in the report!
Again… over and over and over: 9/11 happened as a direct result of a threat made out of Cheney’s office on behalf of Ken Lay re a standoff over the Afghanistan Pipeline! just over a month before 9/11 Cheney threatened the Taliban that if they did not conceded to the “deal” already handed to them by Enron, that there roads could either be lined with gold or bombs… The Taliban had recently stalled the Afghanistan Pipeline by entering new conditions into the deal that Enron had made to build the Pipeline so that they could divert transporting oil through the Caspian Sea — which would have allowed financial control of the oil to Russia… without that oil the powerplant then (stalled) being built under contract with Enron in Kabuhl (sp?) was going to go bottom up financially… The Taliban knew this and requested further financial provisions out of Enron that they could not afford and were not willing to include: Enron was requested to build new infrastructures such as roads and utilities for the Afghanis in order for the pipeline go forward under the Taliban… (this was right prior to when Enron collapsed…) It does not take over “two years” for a bunch of Saudis to “train” in the united States, as the government media quickly implemented all over the airwaives to dilute the responsibility of THIS ADMINISTRATION for the attack we suffered on 9/11! Obviously, our policies over the last decades have angered much of the Middle East, but through the VPs office, the Taliban was threatened of an immediate danger to their homeland… it was immediately after that that the “airwaves” were picking up the chatter that then THIS ADMINISTRATION ignored (the daily brief…) — and frankly, it takes just about the amount of time it did take after that threat was made for “terrorist” volunteers to be found and briefed, tickets on those flights to be bought, and thus the plan… it isn’t a “TWO YEAR PLAN.” — AND HAD LITTLE TO DO WITH ANY PRIOR ADMINISTRATION! The buck stops with Bush/Cheney!
Mr. Kristol must go to sleep thinking up lies to put on Clinton – - what a sad little life, what a sad little man.
December 18th, 2005 at 3:53 pmWWallace…Iraqvet? I don’t give a damn what war you were
December 18th, 2005 at 4:05 pmin …or if you even was in a war….during the Clnton
administration…..the congress was dominated by republicans..from 1994 on…soooooo….it was the rep.congress who issued those 1052 subpaenos…to investigate Clinton….not the dems….and it is also rep.
congress who has issued the few to investigate the most
horrid criminal to ever occupy the white house…get you
facts straight please….
Clinton tried to take out Osama bin Laden in August 1998 with about 18 Tomahawk missiles. Unfortunately, Osama had left the area. Before one of the neocons gets testy, remember that W tried to nail Saddam about 7 times and missed every time.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:25 pmIf you are looking for a clear case of cowardice and ineptitude, try the following link:
http://www.911timeline.net/
Blah Blah
December 18th, 2005 at 4:33 pmmost
horrid criminal to ever occupy the white house…get you
facts straight please….
Comment by Shirley
Oh my! “The most horrid criminal”. And you wonder why nobody takes you idiots seriously and why I think women and homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
December 18th, 2005 at 4:38 pm911 happened because bush and condi IGNORED the reports about threats of attacks using our planes. I happen to believe it was an inside job but I’d rather not go there. Condi has to be the most inept woman I have ever seen and she should just stick to what she does best, shoe shopping.
the admin is paying people to watch this site
December 18th, 2005 at 5:03 pm“No, 9/11 happened because PNAC including Bill Kristol, MADE IT HAPPEN”
The PNAC certainly outlines everything they wanted to happen. I used to believe they knew about the attacks coming and just let it happen. Now I believe they madeit happen.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:07 pmWow, the kook liberal hysterics ae out in force this Sunday afternoon. LOL
Peddling all these wacky conspiracy theories is a great help to Republicans. Thank you all.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:15 pmmost
horrid criminal to ever occupy the white house…get you
facts straight please….
Comment by Shirley
Oh my! “The most horrid criminalâ€. And you wonder why nobody takes you idiots seriously and why I think women and homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 18, 2005 @ 4:38 pm
WOW! I didn’t know that the internet existed in the 19th Century. And, how did you manage to post this crap way back then and have it show up now? AMAZING!
December 18th, 2005 at 5:19 pmIs there any way to prove the IRI and wwallace are paid to post in TP? I mean, WHO has this amount of free time on there hands? They’re either independently wealthy, or paid to do so.
Perhaps they can enlighten us on just how it can be that they have something to say on every topic, all day long, with the same constant and dried up refrains.
Off topic:
December 18th, 2005 at 5:25 pmRyan, I really like that “christoterrorist” comment. There are christian extremists just as there are Islamic ones. Pat Robertson comes to mind. I was looking for a term for this, and you provided it.
MoreGooder, “There are christian extremists just as there are Islamic ones. Pat Robertson comes to mind.”
What did Roberston blow up, you idiot?
December 18th, 2005 at 5:28 pm#131
“What did Roberston blow up, you idiot?” -Wally
His last sex partner? Jeeze, you’re just lobbing them over the plate today… the righties must be sending in the 3rd stringer trolls today. Get back on that short bus you rode in on- loser.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:37 pmI believe that the neocons on TP are retired giraffes. Giraffes only sleep 2 hours per day and have the lowest brain/weight ratio of any mammal on Earth, excepting lemmings and George W. Bush.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:37 pm#128 – “Is there any way to prove the IRI and wwallace are paid to post in TP? I mean, WHO has this amount of free time on there hands? They’re either independently wealthy,”
Comment by MoreGooder
**** You may be mistakenly identifying that independently wealthy member of the upper crust – the self described beneficiary of “old money”, RyANNe. (Mr. Old$$$ says he works because he wants to and is educated because he wanted and education. Methinks he should request a refund on the latter.)
December 18th, 2005 at 5:37 pmRyan.
WRG to your comment that MizzWrong and Witlesswallas grew up in dysfunctional families:
I grew up in a family that leans about as far to the right as you can get, just shy of KKK mentality. Grandfather a Baptist minister, uncles and cousins are deacons or preachers…. ad nauseam. Amazingly, I have an open mind, and reject the notion that there is one and only one “true” religion. Despite growing up in a dysfunctional family, I turned out normal.
In contrast, I have see childhood friends that had normal families mutate into the most exotically extreme “thinkers” you can imagine. We’re talking the flat-world, moon-landing-was-a-hoax type.
So, the theory that they grew up in dysfunctional families still needs to be proven. There must be another reason.
My theory to account for their behavior: Unsuccessful ice pick frontal lobotomy.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:43 pmMoreGooder, the KKK? You mean like Democrat Senator Robert Byrd? LOL
December 18th, 2005 at 5:45 pmMoreGooder, the KKK? You mean like Democrat Senator Robert Byrd? LOL
Comment by wwallace — December 18, 2005 @ 5:45 pm
Don’t get confussed wackywallace. Just because I vote Democrat in general doesn’t mean I vote for every Democrat without question.
In general, I view every single politician with a slimy-until-proven otherwise approach, regardless of political party affiliation.
Sorry, you failed in your attempt to get me riled up. Pick some other way to waste internet bandwidth.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:49 pmMoreGooder, and yet you generally support the party of segregation and Jim Crow.
December 18th, 2005 at 5:57 pmSeen on BlondSense (http://blondsense.com/):
This is a gem!!!
December 18th, 2005 at 5:59 pmThis is my first foray into offensive language – sorry Judd. Could we put into place a filter to eliminate crude words like moron, idiot, conservative and Republican. Also any terms related to bodily functions including reproduction and the eliminmation of unsavory matter. My rule in a post is that I ask the question – “Would I want my Granddaughter to see it?”. Sorry that I got so crude,forgive me.
December 18th, 2005 at 6:11 pm“To sin is a human business, to justify sins is a devilish business”: Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy : Russian author, 1828-1910
December 18th, 2005 at 6:17 pm“A time will come when a politician who has willfully made war and promoted international dissension will be as sure of the dock and much surer of the noose than a private homicide. It is not reasonable that those who gamble with men’s lives should not stake their own”: H.G. Wells
December 18th, 2005 at 6:23 pm“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you”— Friedrich Nietzche
December 18th, 2005 at 6:25 pm#149 Beautiful. Don’t forget the Crawford version, Sometimes when you argue with a fool it’s hard to tell who is who.
December 18th, 2005 at 6:33 pmDear Monsieur Old$$$ – I have never laughed so hard as when I visited the “Responsible Wealth” website – THE club for Limousine Liberals. A prog friend (originally from Rancho Santa Fe) belongs. I told her she could alleviate all of her guilt from the ill gained wealth of her plundering ancestors – just give it away. She wasn’t THAT altruistic!!!! HA!!!
December 18th, 2005 at 6:36 pm#147 and #149,
December 18th, 2005 at 6:36 pmLooks like someone who can read has entered the thread.
wwwwingnut wallace, with all that rolling around on the floor laughing, I think you banged your head – in a brain damaging kind of way. Better seek professional help… soon.
December 18th, 2005 at 7:04 pmunbelievable, your childish insults will never change the facts I’ve posted. They do violate the site Terms of Use. Why are you so contemptuous of the rules of our hosts here?
December 18th, 2005 at 7:06 pmThere was no need for Patriot Act or any of the nonsense.
December 18th, 2005 at 7:11 pmTake away PNAC and the military exercises held on 9/11 and the events could impossibly have happened:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060704_tripod_fema.html
DSM obviously has his tinfoil hat on way too tight.
December 18th, 2005 at 7:12 pmAtta known to Pentagon before 9/11:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509280150sep28,1,3686073.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
Weldon: Atta Papers Destroyed on Orders:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1131137
FBI claims Bin Laden inquiry was frustrated:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,589172,00.html
FBI AND US SPY AGENTS SAY BUSH SPIKED BIN LADEN PROBES BEFORE 11 SEPTEMBER:
December 18th, 2005 at 7:18 pmhttp://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=103&row=4
wwallace
Read on the “Before 9/11″ section a bit and then come tell me that they didn’t have any idea an attack was coming:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
I don’t think you know more than 5% of what’s reported on that page.
This is an interesting interview with Paul Thompson who wrote the book 9/11 timelines:
December 18th, 2005 at 7:27 pmhttp://www.cooperativeresearch.org/091104foxnewsinterview.html
Stop Feeding The Trolls! They are here out of desperation. They are defeated and irrelevant. And welcome to the many refugees from the GOP. Welcome to liberal/progressive politics and until something better comes along, the Democratic party.
December 18th, 2005 at 7:38 pm#163
Ryan, yes he does, over and over and over. I suppose a grown man throwing a temper tantrum is still a temper tantrum. Kinda funny, but really pathetic…
December 18th, 2005 at 7:45 pm#157
unbelievable, your childish insults will never change the facts I’ve posted. They do violate the site Terms of Use. Why are you so contemptuous of the rules of our hosts here?
Comment by wwallace — December 18, 2005 @ 7:06 pm
sheesh wwwingnut, I was just worried about you man and was trying to point out that you might need immediate medical attention. No good deed goes unpunished I see.
December 18th, 2005 at 7:47 pm#167
Ryan, what is this – an early Xmas present? You’re way too generous… Must be really big for Jeb not to be able to shove it under the bed… Well, we know that’s why they’re in office. Couldn’t win an election. And the paranoia of the trolls is further indication that it was their last.
Well, you just made my weekend! Thanks!
December 18th, 2005 at 7:53 pmMy Dear Old$$$ – Your “moral” compass -HA_HA!! with your filthy mouth and continuos sexual allusions, I’m not too impressed with the job the nanny did instilling moral values. My friend said she didn’t know you either – could you be projecting from a Victorian novel, dear? Nighty-night….
December 18th, 2005 at 7:54 pmYou know, Mr. Kristol’s remark was made after Juan Williams said Kristol wouldn’t have accepted this abuse of power from a democrat. Kristol was just saying he would support the behaviour from anyone, even Bill Clinton.
The implication that 9/11 planning would have been interrupted was just an aside. The point is, he wasn’t blaming Clinton out of the blue – it was a response to a challenge from Mr. Williams.
Comment by tfrsypm — December 18, 2005
Williams was 1000% correct. And if you think that the goopers wouldn’t have gone into a complete meltdown if any Democrat proposed such a thing as Chimpy has done, you are out of your mind. Put down the kool-aid and step away from the computer and seek help.
December 19th, 2005 at 12:19 amWell it is common from the Republican News Network (AKA Fox News) for the GOP hypocrites to say everything is Clinton’s fault: the insurgency in Afghanistan and Iraq? Clinton’s fault, 9/11? Clinton’s fault. Everything is Clinton’s fault when it comes to the GOP. These people make me sick.
December 19th, 2005 at 2:13 amWWallace,
December 19th, 2005 at 2:51 amSince you repeatedly tell us that the information about Bin Laden’s determination to attack the US was old hat, can you explain why the Bush administration, which you also claim is trying to protect us from terrorists, did nothing about that or about an FBI agent’s warning that summer about a disturbing number of Muslim men enrolled in flight schools? Are you also aware that 100s of thousands of hours of tapes of intercepted telephone calls, etc. remain untranslated because the various American intelligence agencies do not have enough translators competent in Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and other languages of the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan? What’s the point of the Bushies spying on people’s personal communications if they can’t understand the language being used –unless, of course, they’re spying on English-speaking American citizens, which is a violation of the Constitution and other laws? Are you going to dismiss Bob Barr and Lindsey Graham, for example, as “partisan hacks” for saying the same thing? And do you really think the FBI should be wasting time and resources tracking down a student who wants to check out the 40-year “Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book?”
[...] Bill Kristol on Fox News Sunday yesterday: BILL KRISTOL: I wish Bill Clinton had done this. I wish we had tapped the phones of people that Mohammed Atta, that Mohammed Atta here into the United States, if we discovered phone calls from Afghanistan to him. That’s why 9/11 happened. That’s what connecting the dots is. [...]
December 19th, 2005 at 5:53 amIF IT’S CLINTON FAULT FOR NOT DOING ILLEGAL WIRE TAPS AND DID NOT PREVENT 9/11 THEN “W’S” JUST AS GUILTY BECAUSE HE DID DO THEM UNTIL POST 9/11. BUT WE ARE MISSING THE POINT THE TAPS ARE ILLEGAL UNLESS YOU GET A FEDERAL COURT (FISA) ORDER OR WARRENT.
December 19th, 2005 at 6:46 amThank you Shirley,
I was wondering if anyone was going to correct the false statement by IraqVet about “Democrats” between 1997 and 2002 supposedly filing 1,052 subpoenas against the Clinton administration, when it was obvious to anyone who doesn’t watch Fox News that it must have been the Republicans in charge of Congress during those years who did it. And these 1,052 subpoenas had nothing to do with “national security,” but entirely to do with a vendetta against the Clintons.
On the other hand, when faced with the most corrupt administration ever seen in our nation’s history that literally is a “national security” threat, these same Republicans in Congress have issued only 3 subpoenas. Which must mean that the Republican senators and representatives are as much a “national security” threat as their fellow Republicans in the White House.
And concerning Bush’s executive order okaying warrantless surveillance of U.S. citizens without FISA oversight as required by law, not only has the Bush administration indicated that they are “above the law,” but all the wing-nuts and trolls must believe they are “above the law” as well. Which means nearly one-third of our nation’s citizens are just as Rogue and undemocratic as the Rogue, undemocratic administration in the White House. So now I know what the R in Republican really stands for: Rogue.
December 19th, 2005 at 7:54 amLet’s be specific: it’s not Clinton’s fault, it’s the Clenis’!
December 19th, 2005 at 4:07 pm#171
Ryan, I was beginning to wonder of there was just one troll posting with several identities. I know for a fact that IRI does this because I’ve caught him, called him on it, and he not only did not deny it but responded to it. (He’d left his caps lock on in all of his messages had the same misspellings and general defensive tone).
And I think he/she has a serious crush on you…
December 19th, 2005 at 5:25 pmIf Clinton had spyed like he should have according to our pundits this country would be run by a fascist regime sooner than later…..
December 19th, 2005 at 6:52 pmHas anyone yet explained why it’s necessary to circumvent the warrant process? If BushCorp had credible evidence that someone were a threat to national security, what judge would refuse a wiretap warrant?
The IraqVets of this world consider the Constitution an inconvenient hindrance to their political agenda. What arrogance. Anyone who would look up to the fictional Col. Jessup as a hero is dangerously ignorant of our history, and unfit to protect my freedom.
December 19th, 2005 at 6:56 pm#183
That’s an excellent point… unfortunately, no one elected or in the media has asked. I think you’ll have to tell your Senator to ask, because so far, I don’t hear the Reps asking many valid or hard questions.
December 19th, 2005 at 7:23 pmLet’s say Bush’s phone and email taps recorded information about an incipient attack by Al Queda. They wouldn’t have acted on it anyway!
Think of the information that was sent to FBI Chiefs about the Muslims taking flying lessons (but omitting taking off and landing), about the FBI Agent in Minnesota reporting a probable mole in the translation department, about the daily secret briefing to Bush which reported such an atttack might well be iminent, about Rice’s lack of concern about Al Queda, despite what Sandy Berger, Clinton’s Nat. Sec. Advisor had told her in her briefings.
December 19th, 2005 at 11:54 pmO I L
December 20th, 2005 at 1:20 amIn regards to 9/11, let’s all point out that the FBI and the CIA had plenty of legally obtained intel which they FAILED TO USE!!!!
According to preliminary reports, BushCo is wasting its time tapping progressive Christians, vegans, and animal rights people. I suppose Ann Coulter would consider this ‘protecting us from terrorists’, but I don’t. What an illegal, tragic farce!
December 20th, 2005 at 1:45 amKristol is a vile and putrid man — another of those foppy GOP boys with their carefully manicured hands that are never sullied by the filthy deeds they support and defend.
There is no doubt that they are not who they claim to be — they court the people who believe in hell, even while knowing that if it existed, there would be a very special place there for them.
December 20th, 2005 at 7:04 amAll I want for Christmas is a revolutionary purge of right wing, inbred, intolerant, freedom hating, anti-American, Bush/Cheneyite scumbags!
…o’h and an X-box 360 for under $200….
December 20th, 2005 at 8:38 amWWallace,
…Are you also aware that 100s of thousands of hours of tapes of intercepted telephone calls, etc. remain untranslated because the various American intelligence agencies do not have enough translators competent in Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and other languages of the Middle East, Pakistan and Afghanistan?
Comment by Lora
Lora #176
wwallace only knows what the right wing talking points of the day are. He/she certainly doesn’t know that Sybil Edmonds (one of the most qualififed translators in the FBI anti-terrorism force) was FIRED because she exposed a spy (who had actively recruited her), blew the whisle on incompetence and and dereliction of duty on her superiors much like Koleen Rawley (also of the FBI regarding Moussaui) and Bunnatine Greenhouse (in procurement regarding no bid contracts to Halliburton).
Hey gang,
Let’s all give it a rest. We’ve got so many smoking guns against the incompetence, corruption, malfeasance, and treason of the Bushites my asthma is flaring. The question is how do we purge our country of these bastards and witches (I’m such a gentleman).
Daily Kos has a poster who has a GREAT idea, just put up fliers, posters, wear t-shirts any visual aids we can utilize with (in big bold letters ) the word “IMPEACH!”, nothing else.
I think that’s a good starter before ‘06.
December 20th, 2005 at 8:53 am#190: You’re probably right that “wwallace only knows what the right wing talking points of the day are.” But isn’t it interesting that this his/her gabfest suddenly stops when presented with hard evidence/questions he/she can’t answer to? I’ve seen this on other threads with wwallace, too.
December 20th, 2005 at 9:39 amSometimes you neolibs amaze me.
December 21st, 2005 at 12:28 am#192
Sometimes you neolibs amaze me.
Comment by TigerDak — December 21, 2005 @ 12:28 am
Yes, we are truly amazing. Too bad it’s not mutual and all you neocons have to offer is flinging your own feces.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:14 amConcerning: Comment by A Concerned Citizen:
“This was his plan from the start!!! Bankrupt the USA, Allow Oil companies to RAPE the WORLD and pass the buck to the inheritors of all this blood for oil…..our children, grnadchildren and their kids……how we allow this to happen without a fight is beyond me…..call your corrupt govenment official and let them know how you feel….yell at them so they get the point….harrassment is better than blood
Comment by A Concerned Citizen — March 21, 2006 @ 2:50 pmâ€
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Good for you! This is exactly what your spineless governement wants you and ever other activist to do so the NSA can start recording your conversations and reserve a jail cell for you in the future !
Do you realize that everytime you support Corporate America by spending your paycheck on the new and latest thing, you are actually supporting the war effort. Is this not what the Oil Companies want? and all the Rich Elite – who own all the Fortune 500 companies – Want? War?
If you really want to put pressure on the Government as an individual, I sugget you get CORPORATE AMERICA where it hurts, “in the pocket bookâ€.
Here is what I did starting back in May of 2003 just 2 months after the War was started to help force change in my own way. I hope 85 Million Americans will do what I have done or some of it to help force change!
A month after the IRAQ I decided to close down my business.
I filed bankruptcy a year later and without a lawyer! (very difficult to do) and I was able to Keep Everything to sell in the future and live on for a few years without having to work!
I have since quit working at all.
I have not paid any federal taxes in 3 years. “If you don’t make 10K a year, you don’t pay taxes, its that simple !
I don’t have a credit card ! So I have a “Balanced Budget†!
My cellphone is $10 a month ! (Trac-Phone…. Best deal on the Market – No Cotract)
I buy things at yard sales (No taxes)!
I go to outreach programs for food and clothing!
I don’t buy products from certain manufactures who give money to Republicans !
I went to 8 different insurance agent offices until I found the cheapest rate possible, in writing!
I will continue driving the same vehicle until the IRAQ War is over.
I have based my current actions in life and liberty on how to do my part to help stop this WAR, Each action I take is carefully evaluated to see if I can do it in a way to save money. This miser minded approach will allow me to not work for Corporate AMerica, Not spend my money in Corporate America Stores; and I will never have to pay back the money that this “Borrow and Spend President†has used in this immoral WAR !
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Now, not everyone can do what I have done and use a crazy “Give Up Your Life†way to revolt but, I will only do this until the WAR in IRAQ is over. I will then try and get back to normal, or what ever that is.
Consider these options in revolting against this Corrupt Corporate America (Government):
Shop until it hurts to find the best price and only buy what is absolultely necessary to survive on a new balanced budget! Yes, that means all the credit cards have to GO! and get a ATM Debit Card that takes money out of your 1 and only checking account.
Tell the family that do to the “HIGH COST OF GASOLINE†and possible economic problems in the near future as a result of G.W. Bush bankrupting America (Insert what you want to say) some things need to be changed for just a little while!
New Rules: 1-10.
You can come up with all kinds of things that can piss off your spouse, children, etc. but, that is not what you wan to do to help stop the WAR in IRAQ.
Choosing to limit excess pleasures and put money towards bills and get out of DEBT!
Who needs 5 cell phones?
Who needs to eat out every night of the week?
Who needs to rent new videos/movides every night?
Who needs to have premium channels?
Who needs to have 1, 2 or 3 new cars that suck on gas (SUV’s)?
Who needs to have multiple homes (Housing Market bubble is here – Sell Now)?
Who needs to working a full-time slave job just pay the bills and other peoples taxes?
Who needs to join a gym when you can walk and run at a park, etc.
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It wont’ be easy save money and help stop the war if you don’t evaluate and plan properly!
Take a seat and spend 3 hours a night for a full week to draw a “reduction of expenses until the war is over planâ€. Get feedback from each family member on “If we had to cut back on some things, what could go?â€
Most likely your going to get some strong, “What’s the Problem; I can’t do that; We have money in the bank, don’t we?; We can sell the house in the future, pay off the bills and retire in the future with all kinds of money, right?â€
I live on a day by day basis with not a worry. Don’t get me wrong, it is not where I want to be at this pion in my life but, that is the beauty of it all -
“I can move or even leave this country if I want to as I don’t owe a dime to anyone!†No bills, no restraints, no problems.
Think about what you can do to limit expense until the WAR IS OVER!
Think about what things you can to do to limit tax payments unitl the WAR IS OVER!
After you get your plan going, convence other family members to do the same thing until the WAR IS OVER!
Since today, March 21, 2006 at his 10 am. (EST) news confernece, Bush made it perfectly clear he has no intentions of pulling our troops out of IRAQ, it is vitally important that you plan to stay the course on a “Reduction of Expeses to Fight the War Plan†for 2 years.
If only 85 million people would do this! What a differece it would make to force policy changes.
We could all say “You are either for the war or against the war†and watch as Elite would call their spin doctors for help!
Well it works for me, and it could work for you.
Do it today.
I call it, “Revolt, Stop Supporting Warâ€
RJC Oklahoma
March 21st, 2006 at 4:25 pmno..i do not believe that tapping into the phonelines would have prevented the 9/11 attacks it might have helped us but there are other big factors that pretty much did it..however it is indeed clintons fault all the way. now, heres the reason: if he wasnt so stupid trying to defend his so called touchless reputation with the monica lewinsky contraversy when he actually did do it. we had bin laden right where we wanted him and all we needed was clintons permission. but no he was too busy defending his stupid reputation with monica lewinsky. and plus, there is one more reason, in october of 2000, terrorists had bombed the USS Cole. oh and president bush has to share some of the shameful credit as well because bush didn’t bother to pick up on the problem after clinton had left office. so there for it is pretty much clintons fault.
January 7th, 2007 at 6:03 pm