Bush Caught on Tape: “A Wiretap Requires A Court Order. Nothing Has Changed.”
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Bush Caught on Tape: “A Wiretap Requires A Court Order. Nothing Has Changed.”
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires — a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so. It’s important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.
(HT: Atrios)
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Hey Dubya, are your pants on fire?
December 20th, 2005 at 3:58 pmAs an American citizen who served his country during the first Gulf War, I am ashamed that I live in this country. I cannot believe that Americans are not enraged that King Bush has taken it upon himself to authorize spying on US citizens. US citizens like the tax paying Anti-War group from Lakeworth Florida. This group was deemed a threat by the Pentagon, there only crime my fellow citizens, was following the First Amendment.
The Lakeworth group where not making calls outside the US, where not connected to Al-Qaeda, and where nothing more than every day citizens like you and me, using their constitutional right to free speech. Teddy Roosevelt once said, “To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American Public.”
We must never at any time or under any circumstance, sacrifice our liberties in exchange for security. If we as free American citizens allow this to happen, we will soon find ourselves living in a country that has neither.
Cristian Ripoll
December 20th, 2005 at 4:00 pmChances of this being picked up by the MSM?…
December 20th, 2005 at 4:00 pmhmmm….
I’m guessing about 0%
During an election: court order
After you are re-elected: no court order
December 20th, 2005 at 4:01 pmImpeach. Remove from office. Imprison.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:02 pmHow much better will this thing get? He’s already been the plantiff, the defense, judge, lawyers and jury in his own case… Perhaps he ill also be his own Executioner?
December 20th, 2005 at 4:02 pmCNN leading with this story at 4pm. Great stuff.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:03 pmChristian,
Makes perfect sense to me. Apparently, the loony right does not prescribe to american liberty and tradition.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:03 pmWhen I say rise up, I’m not talking about your weiner.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:04 pm#3–normally, yes. but this is so egregious, it MUST be brought up by the MSM
December 20th, 2005 at 4:05 pmyou all are doing an incredible job, as usual, of chasing down this story and wringing the truth out of this administration’s sopping lies.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:06 pmSacrifice your country so 30% of the people can have a false sense of security. Yeah that’s the ticket.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:06 pmCristian,
That’s why Think Progress and other progressive sites are here. To bring the truth and make the unaware aware.
Here’s a quote I think you’ll like.
“Fear not your enemies for the can only kill you; fear not your friends for they can only betray you. Fear only the indifferent, who permit the killers and betrayers to walk safelt on the earth.” EDWARD YASHINSKY
December 20th, 2005 at 4:08 pmWhat do the broken record, loony, ingnorant, fear loving, wingnuts have to say about this one?
December 20th, 2005 at 4:08 pmBush defense -
“No big deal that was before now this is now. Don’t want to spend so much time looking at the internets about what I said.”
December 20th, 2005 at 4:08 pm8- More like, “It’s OKay If You Are Republican,” IOKIYAR. Wonderful thing, washes away corruption, cuts through laws, and makes anything permissible, as long as the ends justify the means.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:09 pmSMOKING GUN!!!!!!!!!!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:10 pmWOW.
Good find ThinkProg!
This clearly demonstrates a willing patern of deciept, and should bode well for the upcoming Articles of Impeachment.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:11 pmHe didn’t smoke cocaine, he snorted it.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:12 pmBush 12-21-2005: “That’s not what I am talking about. Those were wiretaps back then, now they are super secret electromagneato thingys that don’t require wires. Boy, if you people only knew.”
December 20th, 2005 at 4:12 pmA willing pattern of deceipt.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:12 pmThe indifferent must understand that it’s time to put down the Lee Greenwood records, stop thinking everything is okeydokey and ends just like an episode of a crappy Chuck Norris program. It’s time for the indifferent to join the real world.
Patriotism is not about a flag, symbolism, country music,
December 20th, 2005 at 4:12 pmor apple pie. It’s about standing up to the face of evil and corruption, fighting for your right to be free of any constrictions against you and those close to you.
We must never at any time or under any circumstance, sacrifice our liberties in exchange for security. If we as free American citizens allow this to happen, we will soon find ourselves living in a country that has neither.
Cristian Ripoll
Comment by Cristian Ripoll
Picking up traitors, saboteurs, terrorists and hippies isn’t a sacrifice to liberty. It’s what we pay the government for. By the way, I looked up that Lakeworth site. I’ve never seen such a rat hole filled with terrorist supporting groups and anti-American front men for the World Communist movement. If you actually served in the military and that’s questionable because of all the lies that run rampant here, you should be ashamed. At the very least you should give up your benefits, renounce your citizenship and move to Kanaduh. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass either.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:15 pm22. Thank God you didn’t say NASCAR. Nothin’ more patriotic than that!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:15 pmBush’s response:
“These wiretaps are not prisoners of war, they are terrorists, so the law does not apply to them. Anyhow, back then, Alberto wasn’t in office to tell me it was OK to do. Oh yeah, back then was an election year, this year isn’t, so go f*ck yourselves.”
December 20th, 2005 at 4:17 pmLying sack of shit.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:17 pmI’m with True Blue on this (as everything else damaging to this administration) except that I think it’ll have legs for….ohhh….say today, and it’ll be swept under the rug tomorrow. Should be buried accordingly by the NYT and WaPo. Don’t you love corruption? The cancer that is this administration has grown to near terminal proportions.
Someone on FDL posted this earlier today from the Peter Daou report and I thought it was brilliant. Wanted to share with all of you. Sorry for the length:
Daou Report
by Peter Daou
New The Dynamic of a Bush Scandal: How the Spying Story Will Unfold (and Fade) - The third button on the Daou Report’s navigation bar links to the U.S. Constitution, a Constitution many Americans believe is on life support - if not already dead. The cause of its demise is the corrosive interplay between the Bush administration, a bevy of blind apologists, a politically apathetic public, a well-oiled rightwing message machine, lapdog reporters, and a disorganized opposition. The domestic spying case perfectly illuminates the workings of that system. And the unfolding of this story augurs poorly for those who expect it to yield different results from other administration scandals.
Here’s why: the dynamic of a typical Bush scandal follows familiar contours…
1. POTUS circumvents the law - an impeachable offense.
2. The story breaks (in this case after having been concealed by a news organization until well after Election 2004).
3. The Bush crew floats a number of pushback strategies, settling on one that becomes the mantra of virtually every Republican surrogate. These Republicans face down poorly prepped Dem surrogates and shred them on cable news shows.
4. Rightwing attack dogs on talk radio, blogs, cable nets, and conservative editorial pages maul Bush’s critics as traitors for questioning the CIC.
5. The Republican leadership plays defense for Bush, no matter how flagrant the Bush over-reach, no matter how damaging the administration’s actions to America’s reputation and to the Constitution. A few ‘mavericks’ like Hagel or Specter risk the inevitable rightwing backlash and meekly suggest that the president should obey the law. John McCain, always the Bush apologist when it really comes down to it, minimizes the scandal.
6. Left-leaning bloggers and online activists go ballistic, expressing their all-too-familiar combination of outrage at Bush and frustration that nothing ever seems to happen with these scandals. Several newspaper editorials echo these sentiments but quickly move on to other issues.
7. A few reliable Dems, Conyers, Boxer, et al, take a stand on principle, giving momentary hope to the progressive grassroots/netroots community. The rest of the Dem leadership is temporarily outraged (adding to that hope), but is chronically incapable of maintaining the sense of high indignation and focus required to reach critical mass and create a wholesale shift in public opinion. For example, just as this mother of all scandals hits Washington, Democrats are still putting out press releases on Iraq, ANWR and a range of other topics, diluting the story and signaling that they have little intention of following through. This allows Bush to use his three favorite weapons: time, America’s political apathy, and make-believe ‘journalists’ who yuck it up with him and ask fluff questions at his frat-boy pressers.
8. Reporters and media outlets obfuscate and equivocate, pretending to ask tough questions but essentially pushing the same narratives they’ve developed and perfected over the past five years, namely, some variation of “Bush firm, Dems soft.” A range of Bush-protecting tactics are put into play, one being to ask ridiculously misleading questions such as “Should Bush have the right to protect Americans or should he cave in to Democratic political pressure?” All the while, the right assaults the “liberal” media for daring to tell anything resembling the truth.
9. Polls will emerge with ‘proof’ that half the public agrees that Bush should have the right to “protect Americans against terrorists.” Again, the issue will be framed to mask the true nature of the malfeasance. The media will use these polls to create a self-fulfilling loop and convince the public that it isn’t that bad after all. The president breaks the law. Life goes on.
10. The story starts blending into a long string of administration scandals, and through skillful use of scandal fatigue, Bush weathers the storm and moves on, further demoralizing his opponents and cementing the press narrative about his ‘resolve’ and toughness. Congressional hearings might revive the issue momentarily, and bloggers will hammer away at it, but the initial hype is all the Democrat leadership and the media can muster, and anyway, it’s never as juicy the second time around…
Rinse and repeat.
It’s a battle of attrition that Bush and his team have mastered. Short of a major Dem initiative to alter the cycle, to throw a wrench into the system, to go after the media institutionally, this cycle will continue for the foreseeable future
December 20th, 2005 at 4:17 pmLie-Right-Lie:
L-L-L-L-Liar!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:19 pmIRI- Who said that you could come on this site and talk
like a piece of shit?
You didn’t serve in the military, so you don’t have the right to know more about the military than Cristian.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:19 pmGo enlist and then come back when you have a better perspective.
That’s right I-Right-I,
Kick some ass and take some names for us, we don’t know how good we have it, and don’t even know how much you are keeping things safe.
I think the hippies at the local coffee shop are threatening our very way of life, lets go down there and kick thier sorry asses.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:21 pmI-RIGHT-I, you and your buddies would be supporting King George I during the Revolutionary war. You are the counter-revolutionaries who haunt the progressive values of not only today’s society, but from which the Founders also cherished and set in motion.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:23 pmLie-Right-Lie,
Go Dick Cheney Yourself.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:23 pmYeah… they’re always TALKING about a court order… not actually getting it.
Another one of those “technically true” statements.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:24 pmIMPEACH, REMOVE FROM OFFICE, IMPRISON
Lying Facist= Bush
December 20th, 2005 at 4:24 pmIRI - Promoting the expulsion of dissidents is facisism. Please practice this elsewhere we no likey here.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:24 pmSilly For Truth, we don’t have to go kick the hippies’ asses anymore. We have a government to do that now!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:25 pmreally?! king george-requires a court order?!hmmmmm
December 20th, 2005 at 4:25 pmwell, then why the f*** didn’t YOU get one??!
#23 IRI, you are so immoderate, you cute little rascal! You deserve a tummy yummy! Yes you do!
Picking up traitors, saboteurs, terrorists and hippies isn’t a sacrifice to liberty. It’s what we pay the government for.
HIPPIES, IRI? HIPPIES?!
Thank you for showing your concept of liberty: choose a style of dress that I-Right-I doesn’t like, and GET JAILED FOR IT!
Thank God You are an all-knowing genius, otherwise this claim that our tax money was intended to “pick up hippies” would sound like the ravings of an ignorant fool.
After all the hippies are picked up, who’s next, I-R-I? How about men with long hair? Or hip-hop aficionados in baggy pants? Or women without veils?
Better yet, why don’t we sit down and write up a “dress code for liberty,” and enforce it rigorously. Any expression of individuality will be grounds for imprisonment, a wire-tap on your phone, and secret incarceration in a former soviet prison in Poland.
O how peaceful it will be. We’ll set everybody free.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:26 pmsOMEONE HAS GOTTA DO A FREEDOM OF INFOMATION ACT FROM FISA AND SEE IF THIS CLOWN ACTUALLY GOT A COURT ORDER,MY GUESS BUSH IS A LYING BAS&&&TRD
IMPEACH AND JAIL THIS BUSHCO..
December 20th, 2005 at 4:27 pmJay, that certainly is a very sobering and depressing report. All of it is so true … I just hope that this time will be different, that this is such an egregious affront to the sensibilities of ALL sane Americans that the Dems (and Repubs) will have no choice but to press forward with hearings and impeachment.
#29 - right on!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:29 pm#27 Jay,
Sadly, you are correct. I feel the biggest problem is the apathy, way too many people just don’t care, and don’t care to know. The public will take interest, and mobilize, when the crap is flying into thier own backyards.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:30 pmBetter yet, why don’t we sit down and write up a “dress code for liberty,†and enforce it rigorously.
Can we exclude “members only” jackets and “puffy” coats … if so, I’m in :-)
December 20th, 2005 at 4:33 pm#39, Howard Dean is filing a formal FOIA request - you can add your name here:
http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/domesticspying
December 20th, 2005 at 4:34 pmHow much more are we going to find out? It’s something new every damn day with this administration. Time to flush the proverbial toilet full of s**** and IMPEACH this bastard for his war crimes.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:34 pmBetter be watching Supreme Court Nominee Closer Now - You think Dubba would be Stacking the deck for upcoming decision about this matter?
December 20th, 2005 at 4:34 pm. #6 How much better will this thing get?
. He’s already been the plantiff, the defense,
. judge, lawyers and jury in his own case…
. Perhaps he ill also be his own Executioner?
Comment by unbelievable
I have said for years this little monkey boy pResident will not go away quitely, his last moments in office will look like the warden scene in the Shawshank Redemption, when the corrupt warden is being arrested for taking kick backs for corruption. Rather than go quitely like his cronies, he chooses another exit.
And don’t worry about lie wrong lie, it is a little sack of crap that forgot that it was using one of it’s other wacko names like tuck, aphrodykie, crappycon, noreastdimentia, tankolies, tuckfrauler….so many handles, one little brainless idiot.
CHIMPEACH for FITZMAS!
Treason is not the reason for the season!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:35 pmSo now Bush was FOR court orders for wire tapping, before he was against them? And Ed Schultz(sp?)is playing the audio of this flip flop on his show. TOO FUNNY!! WTG, TP!!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:36 pmWhat a smoking gun this is! What are wwingnut and I-rightwingnut-I going to say about this? Probably some more right-wing BS.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:37 pmHey 44, is an online petition really going to help? I have signed countless numbers of online petitions.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:37 pmI think it’s time people get the eff off the computers and get thee to DC and show them how damned sick of this we all are. I think we should go there and refuse to leave until congress takes some form of action to impeach. I’ve already been there 4 times… I’m willing to go for a 5th.
I-Right-I,
You have outed yourself as being a nutcase. People are usually somewhat restrained in what they say. So you must think some nasty stuff you don’t talk about. I bet you deep down hate minorities and think they all should be sent to their originating country. I bet you think only your religion should be tolerated. I know you cannot tolerate gay people. You think all drug addicts should be killed. You think women are for sex. When you go out in public, you have little conversations with yourself about all the freaks, wackos, and idiots you see. While all the time, this is your own projection of how you feel about yourself.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:40 pmNow, I’ve only read some of these comments, but it stikes me that you all need to think more carefully. Will you still be saying the same things should there be another terrorist attack that kills 100’s of Americans? If so, wonderful; if not, perhaps you shouldn’t have posted at all!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:40 pm#51 - I don’t know if an on-line petition is going to help but I’m signing everything I can. I also agree that we should go to DC and reclaim our house … I’m willing to go as well.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:40 pmNow, I’ve only read some of these comments, but it stikes me that you all need to think more carefully. Will you still be saying the same things should there be another terrorist attack that kills 100’s of Americans? If so, wonderful; if not, perhaps you shouldn’t have posted at all! Either we believe in the Constitution or we don’t…circumstances be damned!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:40 pmAre those the same missing explosives that were missing in Iraq? Ok, I remember that was tons and tons of missing stuff in Iraq.
bubble boy monkey king was spying on a Quaker peace group, I guess everyone in DC is illiterate and thought these people were Al Quaker.
bubble boy monkey king’s court stenographers are resigning in droves for accepting money for favorable “news”. Latest one is CNG reporter.
how about monkey boy bubble head king’s friends at Diebold: resignations and indictments.
and finally: How much longer till the bubble head monkey boy king declares himself God? Not long I suspect, as he already THINKS he is God. Wonder if he still talks to God? And I wonder what God really has been telling the monkey king?
December 20th, 2005 at 4:42 pmSomething fishy about this I-RIGHT-I fellow,me thinks its actually dick cheney or rumsfeld.Who else in their right mind would continue to go to bat for these criminal son of a bitches that never fought a war in their otherwise useless existences then have the balls to start one based on lies and then won’t let their little bastards go off to fight it?i right i is george bush’s scrotum maybe,or maybe he was cloned from the smegma under cheneys foreskin,whatever i don’t think hes human and would advise to ignore the ignoramus.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:42 pmWow. You think he beleives what he says when he says it??
December 20th, 2005 at 4:43 pm#53, according to the 911 commission, there are a hell of a lot more important reasons for us to be afraid of another attack (i.e., we are no better prepared than we were 4 years ago - remember Katrina?). Illegal wiretapping is a violation of our fundamental Constitutional rights. The government already has the capability, quite legally, to wiretap whoever they need to without circumventing the Constitution. It’s ludicrous to believe that wiretapping without a warrant (when one can be gotten retroactively) is going to protect us any better.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:44 pmTrue Blue… I’m glad you were wrong about the percentage. I wish I was wrong like that more often! Watching it on CNN right now!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:44 pmBethy,
It’s widely accepted that it’s not a question of if another attack occurs, but when. It’s likely going to happen anyway, we might as well have our civil liberties when it does happen. Or would you rather live in fear, have no civil liberties, and worry about terrorists.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:45 pmImpeach Hillary. Impeach Hillary. Sorry, I was just getting ahead of myself. Thats what I will be posting here in 2009 when she goes back to wiretapping our enemies. But, we all know that she will never be president anyway. Oh bother.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:45 pm#23 - Picking up traitors, saboteurs, terrorists and hippies isn’t a sacrifice to liberty.
I can’t wait till preznit Hillary gets elected in 2008 and uses all these awesome powers that Bush has allocated to the Executive so we can pick up all the neo-nazis, corporate crooks, fundies, TV pundits, and cheeto-mongers. We’ll roll you in dough, put a bow on your head, and ship you off to Guantanamo! Yee-haw!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:45 pmNow, I’ve only read some of these comments, but it stikes me that you all need to think more carefully. Will you still be saying the same things should there be another terrorist attack that kills 100’s of Americans? If so, wonderful; if not, perhaps you shouldn’t have posted at all!
Comment by Beth
Another terrorist attack does not give the president free reign to break the law as well. If you think back BEFORE 9/11 happened they HAD the reports and warnings of possible attacks using our planes and they did NOTHING about it. Cheney claiming that wire tapping will stop terrorism is a crock of crap. Wire tapping has gone on for decades anyway, Bush’s wire tapping got leaked and now he’s trying to dance his way out of it. If they were all so damn concerned with preventing a 9/11 they should have paid attention to the reports BEFORE it happened. They should have notified the FCC and slapped down heavier security at airports, but they didn’t. How many more excuses does this administration need to break the law? NONE! I say IMPEACH
December 20th, 2005 at 4:46 pmWill you still be saying the same things should there be another terrorist attack that kills 100’s of Americans? If so, wonderful; if not, perhaps you shouldn’t have posted at all!
Actually, there’s a terrorist whose orders have led to the killing of thousands of Americans, not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis. We’re trying to get him removed from office.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:48 pmI love it, all over the news is the
I-word
I M P E A C H M E N T
And the dumbya saying (past videos) that wire taps require court orders, but now they don’t require following the laws and obtaining.
One reporter says the pResident lies by omission!!!!
CHIMPEACH FOR FITZMAS…
What was it that someone said?
Treason is not the reason for the Season!!!
December 20th, 2005 at 4:49 pmI can’t help but hope that THIS TIME it will stick…especially when I hear even the most ambivalent, non-political people I know walking around going, “Can you believe this shit?!?!”
And put me down for being protected AND keeping my civil liberties, neither of which this administration has managed to do.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:50 pmWho wants to bet that there will be another “terrorist attack” before Bush leaves office. So he can say “I told you so”. Very coincidental that the London train bombings happened the day the Patriot Act was on the front burner in either the House, or Senate.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:50 pm#38, IRI is just jealous because hippies get lots of chicks and he has to wait around in a trucker’s rest stop to get a “date.”
December 20th, 2005 at 4:51 pmSurprisingly enough, it made it onto CNN… No burying this truth…
December 20th, 2005 at 4:51 pmDear GOD,
What did we do to offend You that you gave us 8 years of Bush the Monkey Emperor? And what, oh, what must be do to regain Your Grace to end his reign of torture, thuggishness, plundering, warmongering, and sowing bitter discord, or at least get us sanely through it? Will You ever turn Your Face toward us in Love and Forgiveness so we can get this frickin’ mafia impeached and out of power already? As an aside, I was wondering if all that talk about harlots and mystery Babylon and abominations in the Bible was really about our American mainstream mediawhorehouse. Just curious.
Your Loving Servant,
RichardTinDC
Oh, yes, if NSA or any other Instrument of the Busheviks are listening on or reading and recording this, I thank you, since it means our lament won’t be lost to history.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:52 pmWill you still be saying the same things should there be another terrorist attack that kills 100’s of Americans?
Oddly enough, most of Bush’s support comes from those parts of the country LEAST LIKELY to be a terrorist target.
Does that cognitive dissonance every jar your head?
December 20th, 2005 at 4:52 pmYou might hear counterarguments stating that Presidents have done this sort of thing for a long time. FDR was a serial abuser of the Constitution in WWII, Johnson and Nixon spied on Americans during Vietnam, and even after FISA was enacted in 1978 (to prevent further Presidential abuses and over-reaches) Reagan blatantly authorized sying without court approval and so did Bubba after the WTC attacks in 1993. I have been told (not verified) that Clinton admitted to doing so, and much like Bush today, he said that he would continue doing so if it meant protecting the people of the US from terrorists.
The question is, then, is it excusable for one President to do this and suffer no repercussions, or is there a line that must be drawn, and party affiliations aside say that the laws exist for all? Can the President (no matter who he is or the circumstances) choose which laws to obey and which ones he must break for “our own good”?
I say that just because the law has been broken before (and previously ignored by some of the same Democrats in Congress today) that it does not mean that such violations are now out of bounds and laws can be broken due to precendent. That is a terrible idea.
The Dems should have smacked Bubba upside his ass for breaking the law in 1993/1994 (a far better use of $$$ than a GOP-led bj investigation). Their failure on our behalf back then has allowed this to be less of an issue than it should be. However, they must never forget what the real issue is here - there are limits on Presidential powers and they have a job to do. Bush is not king (although he might act like it) and he is never above the laws which he solemnly pledeged to uphold. My own father has stated that he will trade civil liberties for security measures during a time of war (even if it is a never-ending war on terror), but that defeats the purpose, doesn’t it? We do not live in a police state now, yet liberty is seldom lost all at once. Franklin said, “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.” Time to see if those were just hollow words or if people are willing to make real sacrifices for their freedom.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:53 pmis an online petition really going to help? I have signed countless numbers of online petitions.
Comment by BushSucks — December 20, 2005 @ 4:37 pm
Sometimes they do help - there’ve been a few at moveon.org that have defeated bills or made progress. I don’t think it can hurt and is easy enough to do.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:53 pm69. Leave IRI and Seabass to themselves. We don’t discriminate here.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:53 pm911 was terrible, but it did not
December 20th, 2005 at 4:53 pmrender the constitution null and void.
We have survived much worse in U.S. history
and I am not giving up my constitutional
right due to 911.
Maybe some flighting 101 keyboarders are
too chicken to stand up for our rights and
give the terrorists hell, but REAL patriots
are made of “sterner stuff”.
boy oh boy…and you thought Bill got caught with his pants down? Dubya has to win the all time award for lying sack of sh**. I can’t wait to see if the list of people being spied on actually is a republican enemies list rather than a terrorist watch list. I’m going to go get my popcorn and watch the whole Bushevik empire melt down. on CNN…but first, .I’m headed down to the library to get a book on communisim via interlibrary loan just to see if I can get a visit from the authorities….cheers
December 20th, 2005 at 4:53 pmWho wants to bet that there will be another “terrorist attack†before Bush leaves office. So he can say “I told you soâ€. Very coincidental that the London train bombings happened the day the Patriot Act was on the front burner in either the House, or Senate.
Comment by For Truth —
You don’t have to convince me. I’ve been expecting it. Their inside jobs are so obvious. Maybe they need to watch Goodfellas and learn a thing or two.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:54 pmSweet point #72
December 20th, 2005 at 4:54 pmIRI probably thinks those liberal New Yorkers deserved 9/11 anyway, and wishes California would get attacked.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:58 pmlike what Patrick Henry said “Give me liberity or give me death!” Our country is going to hell in a hand basket if we do not get rid of these killers! AKA: Dubya B.
December 20th, 2005 at 4:58 pmIRI = Bill O’Reilly? LOL
December 20th, 2005 at 5:00 pmEric & Chris, haven’t you heard? Poor Patrick Henry is on the W.H. History Revision cutting room floor, they had to make room for dumbya’s new version of the facts and the history books would be just too damn big if it included facts. Another victim of the history re-writers is the truth about the bush family (prescott) managing that factory in germany using slave labor.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:02 pmOh, it’s a beautiful thing to watch CNN tonit. They have the 2004 speech by Bush and they’re really hammering home the “did he deceive Congress and the American public” angle. I can’t believe it! They’re talking about a bipartisan demand for an immediate investigation. I’m cautiously optimistic…
December 20th, 2005 at 5:03 pmHistory teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.
Justice Thurgood Marshall
Marshall sure had the goods of fake patriots
December 20th, 2005 at 5:03 pmlike commander codpiece, didn’t he?
Hey, why can’t someone just give dumbya a B.J. so we can have
REAL
grounds for impeachment?
I would do it, but there are somethings I just CAN’T stand to touch……one of them is REPUGnican Nazis.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:04 pmMy only comment about this reprehensible Administration is the Bush/Cheney team and their appointed hacks and loyalists have been lying for so long that they have lost track of them.
By the way, Diebold, the voting machine company that delivered the 2004 election to Bush, is under investigation for its Enronesque behavior with its 401K plan. Too bad Diebold didn’t crash and burn in October 2004. We wouldn’t be stuck with Bush and living in a Bush imposed hell.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:06 pmNice one ELKE, hope you are a girl.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:09 pmHoly Shit - CNN just juxtaposed the 2004 speech vs. yesterday’s statement - it was amazing to hear the two statements side by side. Now they have Suzanne Malveaux talking about Scott McClellan trying to weasel out of it by saying that the 2004 speech was referring to the Patriot Act - WTF? Does he think we’re buying any of this shit?
She just said that the administration thinks that “most Americans will be silent about this and won’t contact their congresspeople during the holiday break - that they will side with Bush” - we have to prove them wrong, right?
December 20th, 2005 at 5:09 pmThe question is, then, is it excusable for one President to do this and suffer no repercussions, or is there a line that must be drawn, and party affiliations aside say that the laws exist for all? Can the President (no matter who he is or the circumstances) choose which laws to obey and which ones he must break for “our own good�
Comment by evilotto
Actually the question is whether or not Bush did something illegal. The answer is not clear to anyone but you losers. I guess you’re all constitutional scholars. We’ll see. I’m betting this is all Leftist propaganda.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:09 pmWhere’s Monica Screwinski when we REALLY need her? I bet there is NOTHING she wouldn’t put in her mouth. Maybe we could pay her TOO, just to “take one for the team”.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:09 pmIf CNN is demanding a bi-partisan investigation, it is very, very encouraging. I’ve been calling CNN Fox Lite since November 2000. An edit note about my post above. The Diebold co. former CEO O’Dell promised to deliver the election in OHIO to Bush in 2004. That he did indeed.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:10 pmThis is the New America, that was the Old America.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:10 pmWOW! BUSH LIED! AGAIN! AND WE STILL SEE THIS AS NEWS!
Wow! What is up with that?
December 20th, 2005 at 5:10 pmActually, us “losers” include everyone who’s been asked about this, including conservative scholars, experts and former and current intelligence personnel. That’s an awful lot of losers … in fact, the only ones who think it’s legal are the criminals (and people like you who support whatever they do).
December 20th, 2005 at 5:12 pm“we value the constitution”
What is this? Excuse me but the president takes an oath to defend the constitution not to endorse it or give lip service to it. Bush is in so many violations of the constitution that it turns my stomach. The congress should act swiftly to remove this corporate thug who has manipulated and subverted the constitution for profit and mayhem.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:12 pmInteresting that quite a few constitutional
December 20th, 2005 at 5:13 pmscholars (right and left) think commander codpiece
has a big problem here.
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December 20th, 2005 at 5:13 pmI-Right-I,
The question is not whether Bush did anything illegal, but if his illegal activity can be prosecuted or not.
You liberal peace loving freak, who hates America, and wants us to lose the war.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:13 pmJack Cafferty just came on CNN and said “it doesn’t look good for democracy in Iraq” after preliminary election returns - our “guys” are losing badly and Iraq is on its way to becoming another Iran (his words). What a surprise (and how sad).
He also said that MOST people who wrote in regarding the wiretapping thought it was an impeachable offense. Keep it up, Jack!
December 20th, 2005 at 5:15 pmI completely agree with CarolSoprano. The United States of America is the LOSER in this. This is not a right/left issue so please don’t take it there I-Right-I.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:15 pm“Actually the question is whether or not Bush did something illegal.” MizzWrong
That question was answered by bush, the only question outstanding is when the impeachment hearings are to be held?
No law passed by congress can thwart the constitution has bush has claimed they ‘permitted’ him to do. He clearly violated the 4th amendment, and only a retard like the current crop of the mentally deficient republican trolls cannot see something so concrete and plain. This just goes to show you how retarded the typical republican troll actually is. Even in the face of undisputable evidence, they will lie, steal, cheat and deny. Criminality is clearly a base trait needed for reichwing republicanism.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:16 pmHey PINNOCHIO! how long can we go?
December 20th, 2005 at 5:16 pmdon’t you just love the way bushie’s ‘play it down’, ‘what’s the big deal’ stance just digs the hold DEEPER…LOLOLOLOL
December 20th, 2005 at 5:18 pmHow can anyone claim to support the United States
December 20th, 2005 at 5:19 pmwhen they are willing to sell-out the constitution
to a wannabe fascist like commander codpiece?
Are right-wing partisans so lost that they
would throw anyway the country because they
are scared?
What weasels they are.
When did God tell Christians to be so biggoted and hateful? Hate diversity and the poor?
I guess I didn’t get that memo.
I just don’t think these so called Christians are indeed what they say they are, their actions (boy george-king monkey boy specifically along with Pat Wongerson) don’t speak of God’s teachings.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:20 pmI don’t think Bush can be faulted for this. Publicly maintaining that wiretaps require a court order is consistent with his view that a classified program to monitor communications of Americans WITHOUT a court order was necessary and permitted under the law.
While he may be wrong about this (I think so), I can’t blame him for acting consistently with his own beliefs / policies.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:21 pmThe man is pond scum.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:23 pmIf you performed you job the way dumbya does his how long you think your employer would put up with it?
If you acted like John Roberts in your job interview and didn’t ever answer a question, do you think you would have been hired?
I guess it is good to be the KING
December 20th, 2005 at 5:23 pmWolf Blitzer is being harsh tonite with John McLaughlin (former acting CIA director)… keeps calling the NSA and CIA lawyers “career professionals”, implying that they couldn’t be impartial in their advice that the warrantless wiretapping was legal. He keeps saying it over and over again and is really grilling him on why FISA had to be circumvented, even retroactively. The other expert on said, “I have no problem, post 911, with the President wanting to change the rules, but he had to change the rules legally - FISA is the only protection the American people have against this kind of abuse - Nixon tried it and it didn’t work for him”. Pretty good interview!
December 20th, 2005 at 5:24 pmmrmister,
I’m sure nazis agreed with your stance during hitler’s reign. He acted consistently with his own beliefs and policies as well, and yet you argue there’s nothing wrong with this. Typical.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:24 pmPond scum … even less. What’s less than pond scum?
December 20th, 2005 at 5:26 pmOf course, I’m sure that question will get me an NSA wiretap.
The terrorists hate us for our freedoms. Therefore I have taken the bold step of preventing the terrorists from hating us by removing our freedoms.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:28 pmThe CNN thing sounds cool, but it’s probably not going any further, no national news, not even on CNN’s website. Maybe Fox will pick it up, just kidding.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:29 pmand finally: How much longer till the bubble head monkey boy king declares himself God? Not long I suspect, as he already THINKS he is God. Wonder if he still talks to God? And I wonder what God really has been telling the monkey king?
A good post, needs to be said again. Hope that’s ok.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:29 pm“Publicly maintaining that wiretaps require a court order is consistent with his view that a classified program to monitor communications of Americans WITHOUT a court order was necessary and permitted under the law.
While he may be wrong about this (I think so), I can’t blame him for acting consistently with his own beliefs / policies.”
Comment by mrmister — December 20, 2005 @
Instead of lying he could have said “I cannot comment . . .” That would have been consistent policy, not lying about it.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:31 pmCommenting friends,
December 20th, 2005 at 5:31 pmFear not, the star is bright over the White House…..the TRUTH, bit by bit, adds up to one be huge Christmas present for us.
Do you hear what I hear– the truth, the truth wafting through the night, bringing us hope and light….
See — we left leaners don’t hate Christmas!
Peace
Blogenfreude; I can understand your point, but was trying to be succinct, yet kind. How about dirt clod? My personal favorite is Douche-Bag-in-Chief, but some might find that a bit dated.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:32 pmIn some ways the terrorists are getting what they want. So many of us have been terrorized, prescribing to the fear, living in fear, making decisions out of fear. And terrorists would love it if we had less freedoms, and our way of life changed to include sacrifices. We are letting these terrorists have a negative impact on us, they are getting happier.
How about we let go of the fear, keep our way of life. This is what the terrorists don’t want.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:32 pmTreason is not the reason for the Season!
Fascist groove thang….. (go to buzzflash downloads) this one is great!
December 20th, 2005 at 5:33 pmEverybody is out to get me! I’ll show you! I’ll show you all who’s boss! Muwaahahahahaaaaa!
December 20th, 2005 at 5:35 pmAww…. Krash-Kart-Cheeney is returning early from his oil colonies to break a tie vote in the Senate. Wonder if the vote is on more concentration camps and Al Quakers?
December 20th, 2005 at 5:35 pmlie lie lie lie liar you lie lie lie lie lie
tell me why tell me why why d’you have to lie
should’ve realised that you should’ve
told the truth should’ve realised you know what
i’ll do
you’re in suspension
you’re a liar
now i wanna know know know know
i wanna know why you never
look me in the face
broke a confidence just to please
your ego shold’ve realised
you know what i know
you’re in suspension
you’re a liar
i know where you go every body you know
i know everything that you do or say
so when you tell lies i’ll always be in your way
i’m nobody’s fool and i know all ‘cos i know
what i know
you’re in suspension you’re a liar
you’re a liar you’re liar
lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie
lie lie lie lie liar you lie lie lie lie
i think you’re funny you’re funny ha ha
i don’t need it don’t need your blah blah
should’ve realised i know what you are
you’re in suspension you’re a liar
you’re a liar you’re a liar
lie lie
-Liar by Johnny Rotten and the Sex Pistols 1978
December 20th, 2005 at 5:35 pmIt’s funny that all the neo-freaks think the NYTimes is liberal. They sat on a story which could have damaged the 2004 Bush installment.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:36 pmIt has become apparent why Bushco never went to the Court for a warrant. Given the Court’s proclivity to approve all warrant requests the only logical reason for not submitting the request is that Bush knew the requests would be denied because of the subject of the request. To put it bluntly, Bush was not, repeat was not, spying on known terrorist sympathizers but on known political enemies. Howard Dean has a FOIA request for the list as well as other Justice Department documents. He won’t get them. He won’t get them because if the names were legitimate terrorists there would have been Warrants issues and arrests made. I hope one of the names on that list is Clyde the Ripper. Grandma may sell another doll with the publicity.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:36 pmI think my ability to hear Mr Bush has been corrupted by terrorists …
December 20th, 2005 at 5:37 pmHell, all of us are probably on zee lists. I don’t knkow about u but all my papers are in order! And I do have a CMA file and it will go public if anything happens.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:38 pm127,
I was thinking the same thing, if the courts are going to approve it anyway, why was he not using the courts? Hmmm… must be stuff the courts would not approve.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:39 pmLet’s see what has this administration done so far?
01. Allowed Corporate lobbysits to write it’s own laws - textbook fascism. Check.
02. Illegally detained Americans without right to a trial. (Hamdi vs. Cheney) Check.
03. Used chemical weapons, as chemical weapons, against civilian targets. Check.
04. Used taxpayer money as agit prop for its Admin’s pet policies. Illegal.Check.
05. Initiated taxpayer supported Faith Based charities - a violation of church and state. Check.
06. Outed a covert CIA agent for political retribution. Check.
07. Got a blow-job by an intern and lied about it under oath.***
08. Either balantly lied to get us into Iraq, and/or arrograntly thought that they would find WMD despite cherrypicking of intelligence that stated otherwise. Check.
09. Broke international law with subsequent invasion of Iraq for the purposes of regime change. Check.
10. Oh, and used the NSA to spy on Americans without FISA courts. Check.
All of them true. Damn, have they missed anything that we Americans hold dear? What’s next, surrender to the British?
***Clinton of course, but I throw him in there to keep the neo-con’s reading along.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:39 pmThe only and I do mean only way you can keep the attention of a REPUGnican Talliban is to mention someone else’s sex acts.
These people are truly and madly obsessed with SEX, SEX, SEX…so long as it is SOMEONE ELSE and SEX.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:42 pmQuicksand - I love your check list. Can I post it on my blog? Thanks! :)
December 20th, 2005 at 5:43 pmElke,
These conservatives repress all their sexual desires, and you see it coming out in other dysfunctional behaviors, like, getting the same high from power/money, corruption, war.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:46 pmHey 129,
December 20th, 2005 at 5:46 pmI walked in to find my daughter doing research (for History class) on Sudan. I nearly screamed out, “Noooo!”
Now the FBI’s gonna be at my door for sure.
#91
Actually the question is whether or not Bush did something illegal. The answer is not clear to anyone but you losers. I guess you’re all constitutional scholars. We’ll see. I’m betting this is all Leftist propaganda.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 20, 2005 @ 5:09 pm
He admitted it, after stating on tape that it’s wrong to do so. What more do you want? He’s hung himself. We’re just here to make sure the body gets buried before it stinks up the White House even further.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:48 pmMore trouble in paradise for Bush besides lying and spying. Centure motion has been introduced by Conyers in the House over Iraq (fake) intel, torture and the whole kitchen sink. Check out Raw.story.com
Centure Piece here
December 20th, 2005 at 5:50 pmIf I didn’t have herpes I could live without their dirty money.
Comment by I-RIgHT-I — December 20, 2005 @ 5:13 pm
He admitted it… He gets paid to post here to pay for his meds.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:50 pmIsn’t it strange that they keep yelling security at us,yet are so unconcerned about our borders, etc. What do they know about the attack that we don’t? They do nothing real about security, yet threaten us with another attack. Watch out if things get too hot for them.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:51 pm#110
If you performed you job the way dumbya does his how long you think your employer would put up with it?
If you acted like John Roberts in your job interview and didn’t ever answer a question, do you think you would have been hired?
I guess it is good to be the KING
Comment by Randy — December 20, 2005 @ 5:23 pm
Sure, you can be Charles I (he was beheaded by English Parliament)
December 20th, 2005 at 5:54 pmNo one is talking about the Members of Congress that knew all along Bush was spying on U.S. citizens and they did not say anything. IMHO they are just as guilty as he is because they knew and they did nothing. I am ashamed to say that my representative, Nancy Pelosi, was one of the traitors.
If the Dems can’t run with this issue and make a lot of noise none of them will deserve our votes next time around. We the people should clean house from top to bottom in 2006 and throw all of the bums out.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:55 pm“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
– United States Constitution, Amendment IV”
The constitution trumps the patriot act, or presidential power - PERIOD!
December 20th, 2005 at 5:56 pm#116
and finally: How much longer till the bubble head monkey boy king declares himself God? Not long I suspect, as he already THINKS he is God. Wonder if he still talks to God? And I wonder what God really has been telling the monkey king?
A good post, needs to be said again. Hope that’s ok.
Comment by Randy — December 20, 2005 @ 5:29 pm
Randy, you do know that that’s an insult against your boy George, don’t you? Have you finally understood that he’s guilty?
December 20th, 2005 at 5:57 pmThis reminds me of the scene in the Sound of Music where NAZI Germany took control of Austria & wanted the Von Trapp family to sing in order to show that nothing has changed in Austria. The line went something like nothing has changed in Austria everything is still the same & like today everyone knows that was a lie.
Bush already admitted to wire tapping without a warrant at least 30 times which was a violation of FISA. Now he says that nothing has changed.
December 20th, 2005 at 5:58 pmWhy don’t you try this list Libby:
01. Allowed Corporate lobbysits to write it’s own laws - textbook fascism. Ridiculous exxageration.
02. Illegally detained Americans without right to a trial. (Hamdi vs. Cheney) No terrorist threat there.
03. Used chemical weapons, as chemical weapons, against civilian targets. In accordance with agreed upon military practices.
04. Used taxpayer money as agit prop for its Admin’s pet policies. Done by every administration since the invention of the income tax.
05. Initiated taxpayer supported Faith Based charities - a violation of church and state. Who are much more likely to get the money to people who need it.
06. Outed a covert CIA agent for political retribution. Left-Wing fantasy.
07. Got a blow-job by an intern and lied about it under oath. Could have happened
08. Either balantly lied to get us into Iraq, and/or arrograntly thought that they would find WMD despite cherrypicking of intelligence that stated otherwise. Agreed with European countries on interpretation of intelligence. Had the balls to act on it.
09. Broke international law with subsequent invasion of Iraq for the purposes of regime change. Authorized by US Congress to do just that.
10. Oh, and used the NSA to spy on Americans without FISA courts. In accordance with existing policy.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:00 pmLibby Shaw, go for it.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:01 pmNo thank you, cynicon implant, but thanks anyway for sharing your unfortunate views.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:03 pmQuicksand - Thanks! :) check out my blog later tonight…I’m on central time - an hour behind eastern.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:04 pmmust be shift change at the Troll Offices.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:04 pmNow we get CI for a while.
actually, we’re all the same person
December 20th, 2005 at 6:06 pmand you’re welcome Libby
December 20th, 2005 at 6:07 pmGreat… one Troll, Multiple Personalities!
December 20th, 2005 at 6:08 pmWe have our very own Sybill
December 20th, 2005 at 6:09 pm“I never had relations with that women.”
December 20th, 2005 at 6:10 pmwow, 139 posts and not one by any wingnut but bi-right-bi. this is a watershed moment in blogging history.
btw, a post from my blog (yes, i know it’s self-indulgent but this is my best yet, humor me):
ahh, that feeling… you know the one.
maybe you get chills, or goose bumps. or maybe you just have the feeling that you’re “not alone.”
you know what that is?
that’s jesus, spying on you. yep. it’s jesus, conducting an illegal spiritual wiretap on your ass, and there’s nothing you can do about it. and he’s gonna keep doing it. because he’s more powerful than santa claus. and you know what santa claus can do.
there are at least 30 million people in america that might feel that it’s completely alright for jesus to watch your every move. jesus knows what you look like naked. and they’re fine with that. jesus doesn’t care about the constitution. jesus was around long before the constitution ever existed.
hell, for all they know, jesus coulda freakin’ wrote the constitution.
because jesus has a hand in everything. jesus made america. that’s it. i said it. i wish i’d realized that before now but well, it took me moving to australia to finally get it. because i don’t meet anyone from any other country that thinks jesus had anything to do with their country’s creation.
and no, i’ve never met anyone from the vatican.
little did you know, but jesus and the holy ghost used to have equal powers, along with god. but god became almost ceremonial years ago, practically window-dressing in the world of spiritual power. jesus used to have to ask god if he could do things like enter people’s souls, or create countries, but now he just does it without asking. after that, jesus and the holy ghost had a power struggle, and of course jesus won. the holy ghost was supposed to be watching jesus, making sure he didn’t get out of line and start acting like a king or something crazy like that. but the holy ghost was sympathetic to jesus also, practically rubber-stamping everything jesus wanted to do. the holy ghost trusted jesus. nobody thought jesus was going for all the marbles, did they?
all i’m saying is that jesus has extraordinary powers, for a dead guy… who never mentioned once that he wanted people to worship him, or start a religion based on his teachings. just think if he had nukes, or a star wars program.
oh. i guess he does.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:11 pmcynicon implant, you are widly uniformed and on all points. If you would simply just read the papers, you’d know better. But you have not. Of if you do, you just scream “liberal media” and ignore what you read. This is called Confirmation bias btw. (Which my point number 04 addresses. your fallacy of eqvication only hopes to gloss over.) If you didn’t live in a conservative bubble of fear and paranoia, perhaps you’d take a fellow conserative advice, David Brooks (in a NY Times Opine two weeks ago), and divorce yourself from the Republican party.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:11 pmFingerprint File
by Rolling Stones
(M. Jagger/K. Richards)
Fingerprint file, you get me down
You keep me running
Know my way around. Yes, you do, child
Fingerprint file, you bring me down
Keep me running
You keep me on the ground
Know my moves
Way ahead of time
Listening to me
On your satellite
Feeling followed
Feeling tagged
Crossing water
Trying to wipe my tracks
And there’s some little jerk in the FBI
A keepin’ papers on me six feet high
It gets me down, it gets me down, it gets me down
You better watch out
On your telephone
Wrong number
They know you ain’t home
And there’s some little jerk in the FBI
A keepin’ papers on me six feet high
It gets me down, it gets me down, it gets me down
Who’s the man on the corner; that corner over there
I don’t know. Well, you better lay low. Watch out
Keep on the look out
Electric eyes
Rats on the sell out
Who gonna testify
You know my habits
Way a head of time
Listening to me
On your satellite
And there’s some little jerk in the FBI
A keepin’ papers on me six feet high
It gets me down, it gets me down, it gets me down
It gets me down
Hello, baby, mm-hmm
December 20th, 2005 at 6:14 pmAh, yeah, you know we ain’t, we ain’t talkin’ alone
Who’s listening? Well I don’t really know
But you better tell the SIS to keep out of sight
‘Cause I know they takin’ pictures on the ultraviolet light
Yes, uh huh, yeah, but these days it’s all secrecy; no privacy
Shoot first, that’ s right… you know
Bye bye.
Right now somebody is listening to…… you
Keeping their eyes peeled…… on you
Mmm, mmm, what a price, what a price to pay
All right. Good night, sleep tight
Dear President Bush:
I am tired of all these lies and deceit. Do you not understand what we want!
We do not want another terrorist attack in this country. I do not care that our enemy has no nation, had no army and had no face. I do not care that this is the most difficult war our country has ever faced. The existing laws of this land, although developed in a different time, are the laws you will use to fight this war. There will not be one liberty sacrificed for this war, no matter how small.
You will not go to foreign lands where these terrorists reside. You will instead fortify the homeland, ensuring every person that enters this country is not a terrorist, and any terrorists that are here will be captured no matter how difficult it will be to prosecute under our laws.
Every action you take must be backed up by evidence that is beyond refute. It does not matter how long it takes or how difficult it will be. There can not be any mistakes in judgement here.
If we cannot win this war under these rules, then this country does not deserve to exist.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:18 pmI think the problem with the right wingers is that they listen to and watch almost exclusively Rush and Fox - mere agents of disinformation, and right-wing propaganda and mendacity. CNN is “liberal” to many right wingers which I find appalling. I call them Fox Lite.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:18 pmI can’t believe this thread. Whenever the trolls deny anything, they are accuising W of being either a liar, a flip-flopper or a traitor. Please choose one - we need some consistancy here.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:21 pmWhat’s the matter with you people? Can’t you see that this lie had nothing to do with oral sex so it has no national importance what-so-ever. Duhh…..
December 20th, 2005 at 6:23 pm#155
Comment by Progressaurus Rex — December 20, 2005 @ 6:11 pm
loved it - thanks for posting it.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:23 pmIt is not true that Clinton ordered wiretaps without warrants. Tenet testified to this before Congress on 04/12/2000
December 20th, 2005 at 6:29 pm“We do not target their conversations unless a FISA warrant has been obtained from the FISA court by the Justice Dept.
My question now is: Why didn’t Bush get FISA warrants since he could easily have got them if the purpose was legitimate.
POWER CORRUPTS!!!!!!! IT is time for the People to take back our goverment!! The goverment is supposed to be ALL the people, not just one party! I feel sorry for people that support a party no matter how corrupt!!!!
December 20th, 2005 at 6:30 pmI have a question……since the Times was sitting on this story for my understanding over a year. Did they have this before the election???? If so, what kind’ve agreement or promises were they given to hold off on such an important story that might have given us a chance to have a real hero in office? I am asking because I see nobody is even talking about this possiblity.
December 20th, 2005 at 6:30 pmLies are truth. What next, eviserating puppies?
December 20th, 2005 at 6:40 pmBush caught in his own lie
In April 2004, President Bush made these remarks regarding the USA Patriot Act at the Kleinshans Music Hall:
Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any t