Clinton said he didnt have SEXUAL RELATIONS with that women. After all Clinton was talking about sexual relations and not Blow Jobs.

See Bush was talking abour Roving wiretaps for international calls and not domestic regular wiretapping

:gg:

P.S just to let the sit know 330 isnt an acomplishment c ya

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How “Marketable” is the argument that wire taps should be conducted legally? If there is anything the Bush administration understands, it is stratified statistics and target markets. I think of this administration as the Bush Political Corporation, with marketing strategies that are sometimes communicated, more often covert, but always evidenced or implied in hindsight. Just as a corporation seeks a competitive advantage over other firms, so does the Bush administration seek a competitive advantage over its political rivals. Just as a corporation uses brand names and labels to pursue a competitive advantage (like the Kleenex brand name draws us to their tissues), the Bush administration has a panel of wordsmiths to promote partisan political branding (as tree-huggers, class-warfare, the death tax, and now “The Long War” persuade voters to favor their policies). Just as corporations use packaging to create a competitive advantage (like putting a convenient handle on an 8-pack of Gatorade), the Bush administration packages political issues together to sell less desirable policies with ones that add more value (like claiming the right to eavesdrop on US citizens’ phone conversations without legislative or judicial oversight, but bundling that as a necessity during a “long war” on terrorism). In our society of headline-education and media dragon-feeding, most of our population lacks the depth of understanding required to know “why” some policies are dangerous to the health of our democracy and to the freedom of our people. Very few of us have the rigorous logic and critical thinking skills that we need to really understand the issues at a level of breadth and depth that allows us to see through all the smoke and mirrors, and to understand the implications two and three layers deeper than what is on the surface. The remaining majority of readers, listeners, and viewers understand only the primal simplicity – the most marketable tip of the iceberg – that political spin masters release to the dragon-feeding, Nielsen-worshipping, advertising addicted media.

Spying on domestic citizens without legislative or judicial oversight is a serious, dangerous, J-Edgar-Hoover-esque problem that we are facing as a nation. But to truly understand “why” requires a political argument so substantive in its understanding that it runs deeper than the a-b-c, 1-2-3 level of simplicity that the American public can digest without suffering from complex information gas. The argument is sorely lacking the marketability required to muster the majority of public support, and more importantly, is an enormous source of political vulnerability to a pro-military, anti-terrorism public during up-coming legislative elections. However unfortunate, to stand up for the democratic ideals that have protected our government from tyranny is a source of political risk that could cost the most moral supporters their jobs as savvy and pragmatic politicians err on the side of marketability.

Kenneth J. Hesser
Suwanee, GA

Here is an exert from wikipedia in reference to the Echelon program:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
“It has been alleged that in 2002 the Bush Administration extended the ECHELON program to domestic surveillance. This controversy was the subject of the New York Times eavesdropping exposé of December, 2005. Evidence exists to suggest that ECHELON was already being used for domestic eavesdropping during the Clinton administration [8], although testimony by then-CIA director George Tenet indicates that the use of ECHELON during the Clinton administration was authorized by the FISA Court, as required by law”
During the 1990’s under President Clinton, the National Security Agency monitored millions(not thousands) of private phone calls placed by U.S. citizens and citizens of other countries.
I’m afraid you will hear the same thing at the trials for Bush’s “domestic spying” allegations.

Sorry for the length, but please look at facts and not conspiracy theories…and don’t lower yourselves by calling me names, I am trying to present recorded facts. I want to close this with some of my favorite quotes:
“Think for yourself, question authority.”-TOOL
“Trust but Verify”-Ronald Reagan paraphrased from the Bible

Because “you have nothing to hide…” Yeah, that makes it better. There is a procedure for secret wiretapping, and the reason that procedure exists is to uphold the constitution. So it isn’t really about what you care or do not care about, or if you think we are all paranoid egoists. What matters is that for a couple hundred years or so, we’ve had a right to privacy and this president chooses to circumvent the law of the land. He clearly knows he was breaking the law, or speaches like this post brings out would not have been made.

Your accusations shown towards those who wish to uphold the law, the constitution, show a total disregard for liberty, in spite of how you end your post. Unless 100% of U.S. citizens agreed with you, and a majority do not, you can’t even make a case that willfully allowing warrantless wiretaps is anything but a sacrifice of liberty for security.

This president broke the law. He lied to the American people (this one can’t be argued that he was misled by bad intelligence, he authorized the wiretapping two years before he lied about it). He deserves to be upheld by the same standard we held to the last president. Impeachment is the only right thing to go. The United States of America deserve a trial on this issue. Perhaps that trial will turn out the same as with Clinton, but we deserve a public impeachment trial to determine the scope of the president’s illegal operations.