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jay says:
I don’t care if he were an equal money dispenser. Anybody connected to this kind of thing needs to go down. That includes Democrats as well as Republicans.
As it happens, it will have a MUCH greater impact on the regressive right. HURRAY!
Judge Jones issued a broad, sensible ruling – finding that some board members lied.
Dec 21, 2005 — They lied.
William Buckingham and Alan Bonsell wanted to bring God into high school biology class, and in the process, they lied.
They lied about their motives.
They lied about their actions.
They lied about what they did or didn’t say at public meetings.
They even lied when they claimed newspaper reporters lied in stories about Dover school board meetings.
In his ruling on the Dover case, U.S. Judge John E. Jones III said it was “ironic” that individuals who “proudly touted their religious convictions in public” would “lie” under oath.
Yes, ironic – at the very least. But also sinful according to the 9th Commandment.
And perhaps also criminal. We can only hope that the appropriate authorities are investigating possible perjury charges in this case. There should be some consequences for what Mr. Bonsell and Mr. Buckingham have done in depositions and on the witness stand by otherwise misrepresenting the facts.
Not to mention what they’ve done to their community.
They’ve cost Dover its reputation. The district, even after sensibly voting out the entire school board, again has been made a national laughingstock – last week “The Daily Show” aired yet another embarrassing and insulting piece on Dover.
They have potentially cost Dover taxpayers perhaps a million or more in legal fees. The judge has indicated the plaintiffs are entitled to such fees.
The unintelligent designers of this fiasco should not walk away unscathed. They’ve damaged and divided this community, and there should be repercussions – a perjury investigation – beyond a lost election.
The ruling suggests board members who approved the ID policy were shockingly ill-informed and lackadaisical about what they were getting the district into. They allowed themselves, taxpayers and students to be made grunts on the front lines of the national culture wars without bothering to learn what they were fighting for.
Turns out it was a lie.
Intelligent design, as Judge Jones made abundantly clear in his 139-page ruling, is not science. ID has simply not earned a place in high school biology curricula as an either/or alternative to evolution.
The ruling reflects that evolution by natural selection is backed by mountains of evidence while ID has produced not one peer-reviewed paper.
That doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist.
It doesn’t mean the world wasn’t intelligently designed.
It just means that in science you can’t invoke the supernatural when you don’t fully understand a natural process.
Judge Jones is to be congratulated for ruling broadly on the matter rather than taking the easy way out with some cramped, nondecision decision.
Unfortunately, this ground-breaking ruling is unlikely to become the settled law of the land because the new board seems unlikely to appeal it to the Supreme Court. Not that we advocate an appeal. Even the judge laments that so much money and time has been wasted on this “legal maelstrom.”
In short, Judge Jones got it exactly right, eviscerating the pathetic case put forth by the defense. The district’s policy was religiously motivated and espoused religion, thus violating the constitutional separation of church and state.
No lie.
The Republicans have done the same thing to the country that these wingnuts did in Dover on a much smaller scale. They need to pay for that, as well.
Pissed off, Yes, ironic – at the very least. But also sinful according to the 9th Commandment.
Whenever you nail a Christian with the 10 commandments they say they do not follow the old testament which exonerates them when breaking all 10 of them.
Abramoff is gonna flip faster than IRI on a first date! It’s gonna be bottoms up, and he’ll chicken his way to a plea bargain and take out 30+ republican members of congress with him!
super funny Mr “Right on Ryan Neat”…..lolol. What no trolls today?….oh that’s right, today they go and get their new ‘chip’ put in their brains from the repub.party headquarters.
#1, Jay is right. I don’t care who they are, from which party — they must all be taken down. As it is turning out, it appears that there are mostly Republicans and their wives involved, so be it. Something must be done to halt the rampant corruption. If a couple of these skunks succumb to pressure to save themselves a bit of extra punishment and turn on their fellow criminals, fine; they should all be punished appropriately.
Ya gotta give the trolls a chance to get their message points from their leaders — wait an hour or so. You know they don’t think for themselves; they have to be told what to say.
One month ago, moderate Congressman John Murtha (D-PA) shocked the nation with his call for ending the War in Iraq. The subsequent outpouring of support, from Americans across the political spectrum, for Murtha’s bravery brought new momentum to our efforts to bring the troops home.
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I agree with Jay and Marie. Party affiliation is irrelevant. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. Any politician accepting bribes deserves jail.
I’ll make one more pitch for my idea that campaign contributions for candidates for federal office should come only from the people whom the candidate will represent in Congress. I’ll even use Senator Clinton as an example: There is no reason in the world why she should accept money from anyone outside of New York State (my home state). It would raise the very real question of whose interests will she be looking out for if the needs of New Yorkers got pitted against the needs of someone from outside New York who gave her a lot of campaign money.
Yes, individual contribution limits would have to be raised, but that’s not a big deal if it’s raised to about $5,000. But don’t be fooled by that argument that it takes a lot of money to run a campaign. This is not necessarily true. It costs a lot of money if you don’t want to get out and shake hands and meet people and do all of your campaigning via TV ads instead. Having less money to spend will mean having to be more innovative, and if you can’t do that, then what good are you to the people whom you’ll represent?
There is a theory that something evil comes over many people when they reach a certain level of wealth — they lose their ability to feel anything for their fellow man.
It seems to fit Republicans pretty well. They often start out as Democrats, idealistic and compassionate, but they end up selfish and heartless, when their income and portfolios reach a certain level. Earned income, or unearned. Bribery or extortion – whatever the source. Paraphrasing George Bernard Shaw: “want of more money is the root of all evil.”
I think that is because as you make more money, you have a higher tendancy to link your identity with the money, ie “I am so great because I made money. They are bad, they have no money.” Therefore you can’t give any of it away. Also, if they were so driven to get the money in the first place, it’s even more likely.
I have heard it explained that these people equate financial success with virtue. If you’ve made a lot of money, you must be doing something good and, conversely, if you haven’t, then you must be doing soemthing wrong. Of course, if this is how they really think, then they must think the mafia is very virtuous. Still, I have encountered rich people who thought they were “better” than me because they were rich and I wasn’t.
Any Dem who took money from this man deserves to hang with the rest of the crooks. If for no other reason other then stupidity. I have heard that no Dem took money from Abramoff, being that he was a true-blue Republican and didn’t offer. If his “associates” gave money to Dems, then we will have to wait until all of the facts are in.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I guess that means DeLay won’t be using Abramoff’s credit cart to take his wife to Scotland on any more of vacations for a while.
Folks, what is really great about this is the following;
Abramoff pleads guilty. He will be sent to prison after a pre-sentencing report is completed.
He will be brought into court on the Tom DeLay matter and will appear in prison clothing, replete with handcuffs and ankle bracelets. The jury will be able to see for themselves the sort of person DeLay was playing footsy with.
Yes I agree ANY pol who took Abramoff money needs to swing. But, you see that’s the difference between Progressives and Repubes. Repubes think that anyone with an R after their title shouldn’t be investigated, charged, and sent to jail. Just another example of how they put party over country.
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I don’t care if he were an equal money dispenser. Anybody connected to this kind of thing needs to go down. That includes Democrats as well as Republicans.
As it happens, it will have a MUCH greater impact on the regressive right. HURRAY!
December 21st, 2005 at 3:56 pmThe Republicans have done the same thing to the country that these wingnuts did in Dover on a much smaller scale. They need to pay for that, as well.
December 21st, 2005 at 4:03 pmI agree Jay. From the article please note that the Dems only recieved contributions from Indian tribes not from Abramoff…
Between 2001 and 2004, Abramoff gave more than $127,000 to Republican candidates and committees and nothing to Democrats, federal records show.
December 21st, 2005 at 4:03 pmPissed off,
Yes, ironic – at the very least. But also sinful according to the 9th Commandment.
Whenever you nail a Christian with the 10 commandments they say they do not follow the old testament which exonerates them when breaking all 10 of them.
December 21st, 2005 at 4:08 pmSing, little birdy.
December 21st, 2005 at 4:14 pmMy guess is Abramoff will turn down Delay’s invite to go deer hunting.
December 21st, 2005 at 4:17 pmSing, little birdy.
Comment by Zookeeper — December 21, 2005 @ 4:14 pm
I believe the proper counter-response is:
“Yes, indeed it was. Well challenged.”
December 21st, 2005 at 4:26 pmAbramoff is gonna flip faster than IRI on a first date! It’s gonna be bottoms up, and he’ll chicken his way to a plea bargain and take out 30+ republican members of congress with him!
Go baby go!
December 21st, 2005 at 4:30 pmOooooo…That was COLD, RYAN!!!
I can ONLY hope that ABRAMOFF will make a dent in thos corrupt establishment we USED to called CONGRESS!
December 21st, 2005 at 4:40 pmsuper funny Mr “Right on Ryan Neat”…..lolol. What no trolls today?….oh that’s right, today they go and get their new ‘chip’ put in their brains from the repub.party headquarters.
December 21st, 2005 at 4:40 pm#1, Jay is right. I don’t care who they are, from which party — they must all be taken down. As it is turning out, it appears that there are mostly Republicans and their wives involved, so be it. Something must be done to halt the rampant corruption. If a couple of these skunks succumb to pressure to save themselves a bit of extra punishment and turn on their fellow criminals, fine; they should all be punished appropriately.
December 21st, 2005 at 4:41 pm#7 – Yes, dear.
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December 21st, 2005 at 4:42 pmYa gotta give the trolls a chance to get their message points from their leaders — wait an hour or so. You know they don’t think for themselves; they have to be told what to say.
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December 21st, 2005 at 4:44 pmOne month ago, moderate Congressman John Murtha (D-PA) shocked the nation with his call for ending the War in Iraq. The subsequent outpouring of support, from Americans across the political spectrum, for Murtha’s bravery brought new momentum to our efforts to bring the troops home.
We at Peace Action, after serious consideration, have decided to support Congressman Murtha’s resolution, HR 73, which calls for a gradual withdrawal of troops from Iraq over six months. While some details of the bill, including the “over the horizon” presence, do cause us concern, the bill does achieve the immediate goal – ending the US armed occupation of Iraq.
The bill has 95 co-sponsors, including Democratic Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. The momentum is on our side, and the Murtha bill is the best vehicle to make progress on bringing the troops home. Write your Representative today and tell them to support Murtha’s resolution!
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P.S. Recently, the Republican leadership tried to kill our momentum by forcing two dummy votes designed to embarrass Murtha and those who favor bringing the troops home. Write to your Representative today and tell them that we want a real debate on Murtha’s resolution!
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December 21st, 2005 at 4:51 pmI agree with Jay and Marie. Party affiliation is irrelevant. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. Any politician accepting bribes deserves jail.
I’ll make one more pitch for my idea that campaign contributions for candidates for federal office should come only from the people whom the candidate will represent in Congress. I’ll even use Senator Clinton as an example: There is no reason in the world why she should accept money from anyone outside of New York State (my home state). It would raise the very real question of whose interests will she be looking out for if the needs of New Yorkers got pitted against the needs of someone from outside New York who gave her a lot of campaign money.
Yes, individual contribution limits would have to be raised, but that’s not a big deal if it’s raised to about $5,000. But don’t be fooled by that argument that it takes a lot of money to run a campaign. This is not necessarily true. It costs a lot of money if you don’t want to get out and shake hands and meet people and do all of your campaigning via TV ads instead. Having less money to spend will mean having to be more innovative, and if you can’t do that, then what good are you to the people whom you’ll represent?
December 21st, 2005 at 4:54 pmWayne .thats how it WAS done in the good ole Southern hospitality Days.
December 21st, 2005 at 4:58 pmNeed them good ole days back, where neighbors knew .
December 21st, 2005 at 4:59 pm
There is a theory that something evil comes over many people when they reach a certain level of wealth — they lose their ability to feel anything for their fellow man.
December 21st, 2005 at 4:59 pmIt seems to fit Republicans pretty well. They often start out as Democrats, idealistic and compassionate, but they end up selfish and heartless, when their income and portfolios reach a certain level. Earned income, or unearned. Bribery or extortion – whatever the source. Paraphrasing George Bernard Shaw: “want of more money is the root of all evil.”
I think that is because as you make more money, you have a higher tendancy to link your identity with the money, ie “I am so great because I made money. They are bad, they have no money.” Therefore you can’t give any of it away. Also, if they were so driven to get the money in the first place, it’s even more likely.
December 21st, 2005 at 5:10 pmI have heard it explained that these people equate financial success with virtue. If you’ve made a lot of money, you must be doing something good and, conversely, if you haven’t, then you must be doing soemthing wrong. Of course, if this is how they really think, then they must think the mafia is very virtuous. Still, I have encountered rich people who thought they were “better” than me because they were rich and I wasn’t.
December 21st, 2005 at 5:16 pmMERRY FITZMAS!
December 21st, 2005 at 5:24 pmYEAH BABY – the key to the Chamber of Secrets.
December 21st, 2005 at 5:35 pmAny Dem who took money from this man deserves to hang with the rest of the crooks. If for no other reason other then stupidity. I have heard that no Dem took money from Abramoff, being that he was a true-blue Republican and didn’t offer. If his “associates” gave money to Dems, then we will have to wait until all of the facts are in.
December 21st, 2005 at 5:38 pmBoy, things really suck for Tom DeLay, too.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I guess that means DeLay won’t be using Abramoff’s credit cart to take his wife to Scotland on any more of vacations for a while.
December 21st, 2005 at 6:08 pmFolks, what is really great about this is the following;
Abramoff pleads guilty. He will be sent to prison after a pre-sentencing report is completed.
He will be brought into court on the Tom DeLay matter and will appear in prison clothing, replete with handcuffs and ankle bracelets. The jury will be able to see for themselves the sort of person DeLay was playing footsy with.
I love, love, love it.
December 21st, 2005 at 6:19 pmLet the perp-walks begin!
December 21st, 2005 at 6:31 pmYes I agree ANY pol who took Abramoff money needs to swing. But, you see that’s the difference between Progressives and Repubes. Repubes think that anyone with an R after their title shouldn’t be investigated, charged, and sent to jail. Just another example of how they put party over country.
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