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In October 10, 1963, U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy committed what is widely viewed as one of the most ignominious acts in modern American history: he authorized the Federal Bureau of Investigation to begin wiretapping the telephones of the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. Kennedy believed that one of King’s closest advisers was a top-level member of the American Communist Party, and that King had repeatedly misled Administration officials about his ongoing close ties with the man.

The Atlantic Monthly; July/August 2002; The FBI and Martin Luther King; Volume 290, No. 1

Appearing on ABC’s “This Week” Powell said he sees “absolutely nothing wrong with the president authorizing these kinds of actions” to protect the nation.

And just like everyone has done to Cheney everytime he links Saddam to 9/11. Hey it’s almost like it’s so much the messenger that’s getting attacked but their credibility.

When you take the people who lied like this to get the invasion of Iraq and absolve them of their sins based purely on whether or not they say something you like… you’re no different than the people you criticise. You just like your whores in a different position.

The Bush administrations behavior around this issue is pure cover up we have seen before. Cover up for actions that could not even withstand the most friendly judicial peek. Something from which even the most supportive judge would have recoiled. It will probably require a whistleblower and/or some courageous and very professional investigative reporting to find what must be an awful truth at the bottom of this slimey barrel. This is not over. Expect to be shocked before it is over.

Know anything about Corporate Personhood? I’ve read a couple of Thom Harmann’s books on this. Seems Berekeley, California has taken the first step of making Corporations secondary (instead of equal) to individual citizens. They’ve taken it to San Francisco. So, while I try to be a realist, I also try to keep the hope. Get’s depressing otherwise, you know?

I think we’re seeing a bigger public outrage too, so who knows what that might do. I do think that at this point (before Diebold takes over), that the Politicians still know that they need our votes.

Clinton’s military applications in NO WAY compare to what bush43 has done. Are you suggesting we SHOULD’NT have gone into Kosovo or the Balkins? There was genocide going on and we stopped it. You can’t say the same thing about Iraq.

I agree that the only way to save the country is to have massive Campaign Reforms. Currently money dictates all the policies and an average American has no voice at all. Given that an average american is also clueless, this is a recipe for disaster.

But I dont have any hope as lust for money is hard to give up. Unless there is a huge outcry by public, nothing is going to happen. But it will be too late by then. Most reasonable jobs have already left US and going to India/China while we have huge budget deficits so that we can fill pockets of rich. Nobody seems to care. Two party system does not work.

He’s the first born son to a graduate of Yale and Harvard who served in teh Navy (I believe) and became President. Georgie Jr. doesn’t know the first thing about being an average American. He knew nothing about the world, and hadn’t bothered to travel the world with all that money. Instead he ran company after company into bankruptcy and was still rich in spite of it. He’s never been hungry or destitute on any level. How can we expect him to understand, much less react to our real issues? Hell, he’s just playing a make-believe game of cowboys and injuns with other people’s children (his are old enough to enlist).

It’s why we need Campaign Reform. Make our elections free so true representatives can be elected to run our country of average Americans.

I believe the words “public servant” have no meaning to them at all – and especially to our Douche-Bag-in-Chief. Well, let me correct that; servant has a lot of meaning to him. That’s why the immigration bill is so important. Who’s going to clean his campaign contributors’ homes, feed and raise their children, do their landscape work, and clean the pool? We are so screwed.

who cares in what context or manner, right

Rationale and moral people care…

Giacomo you can’t compare Clinton to Bush because Bush lied to get us to go to war. That’s the difference you are missing. Someone who attacks is the offense – the murderer. Someone who defends does so out of self-preservation. Our own laws are riddled with persocution for the first and justification for the second.

For example. If I’m walking down the street and you stab me to death, you’re going to prison. But, if I’m walking down the street and you attempt to stab me to death, but I pull out a gun and shoot you first, it’s self-defense and I am free. See the difference? (No, I don’t own a gun, so don’t go down that road, it was just an example for clarification).

So … shall we compare Clinton and Saddam as well since Clinton “was responsible” for deaths in Kosovo. Of course not, this “logic” is nonsense.

Why don’t we compare FDR in WWII to Hitler in WWII … they were both responsible for millions of deaths … who cares in what context or manner, right Pablo. Moral relativism … no one’s right … no one’s wrong … it’s all perspective ……

I was wondering. What about the 30,000 to 100,000 that Bush has killed in Iraq? Surely }Bush is just as responsible for these deaths as Saddam was for the 142, right

Comment by Pablo in Mexico — December 21, 2005 @ 10:17 am

Isn’t the hypocracy in this amazing? How it’s WRONG for anyone to maim, torture murder, lie, vandalize, corrupt, steal, etc. except for those fat cats in the White House? Saddam goes on trial and Peeping George condemns him. Oh the irony…

They are charging Saddam with the deaths of 142 people that someone killed after an attempt on his life. I dont know that Saddam, an evil bastard, killed those people himself, or had them killed.

I was wondering. What about the 30,000 to 100,000 that Bush has killed in Iraq? Surely }Bush is just as responsible for these deaths as Saddam was for the 142, right