UPDATE: Fox Carolina Reporter Active On White Supremacist Website
UPDATE: Fox Carolina Reporter Active On White Supremacist Website
Tami Birckner, the Fox Carolina reporter who ran the one-sided fluff piece on StormFront.org, a popular hub for white supremacists and anti-Semites, was an active participant in the website’s chat forums.
Think Progress contacted Birckner this afternoon and she confirmed that she is “FOXSC” on StormFront’s forums. Since joining in October, Birckner has posted five times, often gaining feedback (and praise) on her StormFront coverage:
FOXSC, 11/10/05:
I am FOX Carolina reporter who reported this story. I contacted dozens of Stormfront members, all of whom (with the exception of Bob Whitaker and Jamie Kelso) declined to talk with me for this story because of the believed slant I would put into this story. I hope this can show those of you who have little faith in the media that there are journalists who take pride in being factual and unbiased.
FOXSC, 11/10/05:
I am the reporter who did this story. For those of you who live in the FOX Carolina viewing area, I am willing to do a follow-up story to show a better make-up of the people who are members and talk more in-depth about your beliefs. THis would probably air in February. Let me know if you are interested.
Birckner’s praise of StormFront didn’t go unnoticed by Jamie Kelso (”Charles Lindbergh”), the site’s Senior Moderator, 11/14/05:
One detail that I forgot (until just yesterday) was to unmoderate our new Stormfront Member, FOXSC, so that Fox could post more easily on Stormfront.
Birckner told Think Progress that she is unsure whether or not she will be doing a follow-up piece and is waiting to hear more from the “local community.” When asked why she didn’t include some voices that were critical of StormFront, she replied she did the story exactly as she was told to and that officials at the network were very pleased with her coverage.
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Fox hired a white supremacist? I’m SHOCKED - NOT!
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:37 pm“as she was told to”
That says volumes, doesn’t it?
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:41 pmTami Birckner, the Fox Carolina reporter who ran the one-sided fluff piece on StormFront.org, was an active participant in StormFront’s chat forums.
Hmmm… considering Mighty Afro referenced this article in the previous forum, claims to live in the South, and is a racist - could this be her real name?
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:44 pmAh, the Carolinas, a little slice of how things were in the good ol’ days - lynchings, cross burnings, race riots, being able to legally marry your sister’s daughter even if she was under age. Good times…
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:45 pmI hope this can show those of you who have little faith in the media that there are journalists who take pride in being factual and unbiased.
Uhhhh… what? Is she serious?
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:46 pmAmanda, a poster on ThinkProgress, posted a story about Stormfront, therefore Amanda is a white supremacist. Wow, guilt by association is easy, isn’t it, Amanda?
What is your point exactly anyway?
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:47 pmGood work in uncovering the actions of these unsavory characters.
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:48 pmOf course the trolls simply don’t get it. But, could we expect anything to change?
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:49 pmOf course Spudge can’t make a point and instead just calls names, but since he’s a liberal, could we expect anything to change?
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pmFox news sells hate. Hate the Liberals, hate the Blacks, hate the Browns, hate the Yellows, hate the non-Christians,
hate anybody who is not exactly like you and does not share you values.
Fox News is the KKK Channel.
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pmWho’s surprised by this revelation? It seems to me that if Faux News hired a White Supremacist, it was because she is related to someone already working there. Nepotism always has been and always will be, a factor in hiring someone into the media. I’m kind of surprised she’s the only one!
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:51 pmSpudge-
As wwallace proves, you’re right. He just doesn’t get it.
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:52 pmHe approves of the garbage Fox produces.
Oh goodness, there’s wwallace throwing his/her/it’s hat in the ring to defend the nazis…uh facists…no, this time it’s the white supremacists. Gotta defend that HATE wwallace because what on earth would we have without it?
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:52 pm#6 - wwallace,
We never claim that Tami Birckner is a white supremacist. We were simply trying to demonstrate Fox Carolina’s imbalanced coverage of the organization.
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:54 pmBuzzbike,
Word on the street is that her brother and her husband work there. Whats really weird is that he is her boss!
Think about it for a second…
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:54 pmOf course wwallace can’t make a point and instead just calls names, but since he’s a conservative, could we expect anything to change?
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:55 pm[Comment deleted by admin]
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pmAmanda, why would you care about a local news affiliate in North Carolina? You’re engaging in blatantlt dishonest guilt by association.
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:57 pmCalling me names will never change any of the facts I’ve posted.
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:58 pmOoohhhh, look everyone! wwallace is here! I just wanted to take this opportunity to wish wwallace a Happy Kwanza! Keep up the good work wwallace, your posts are better than All-Bran when it comes to keeping me regular. Hearing you talk sh*t always gives me the urge to take one myself.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pmKwanzaa was invented by a racist black separatist and felon in the 1960s. Thank you for demonstrating once again that Democrats openly condone racism.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:01 pmWell, I hope I made your day! :)
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pmOptimist is here to defend nazis.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:04 pmLol, who said I was defending you?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:06 pm#21,
Is this one of your “facts” wwallace? Well, sir, all that I’m going to say is that I hope that all of your hate does not eat you up from the inside, but it probably will. Have a merry Xmas though.
(I would have said “Christmas” but it is obvious that Christ has no influence in your life.)
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:06 pmOops, somebody’s using two names:
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:06 pmOops, I meant to say, “Who said Optimist is defending you?”
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:07 pmAnd the great left wing conspiracy continues… :P
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:07 pmHer Bio from FOX……
The South Carolina Broadcaster’s Association has named Tami Birckner the 2005 SC Reporter of the Year.
Tami has been a member of the FOX Carolina news team since its inception in 1999. Tami is an award-winning journalist with more than two dozen notable accomplishments to her name, several for her work as an investigative reporter.
Tami began her broadcasting career in radio, working as a reporter, anchor, and eventually news director in Martinsburg, WV. After six years in radio news, Tami made the switch to television, where she produced, reported, and anchored at WHAG-TV in Hagerstown, MD.
Tami is an active member of the Upstate community. She has served on the board member for the Piedmont Wilderness Institute, a juvenile justice program for young male teenagers in South Carolina that serves as an alternative to jail time. Tami was also the 2004 Grand Ambassador for Red Ribbon Works, an ongoing campaign to keep todays youth away from tobacco, alcohol and drugs.
Tami received her undergraduate degree in Broadcast Communications fromShepherd College in Shepherdstown, WV. In July of 2005, Tami completed her Masters Degree with honors.
Tami grew up in southern Maryland, where her family still lives. She enjoys her free time outdoors, whether it’s at the beach, camping, or fishing at one of the Upstate’s nearby lakes. Her other interests include volleyball, knitting, and cooking.
Contact Tami at tami.birckner@foxcarolina.com
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:08 pmBroadcast standards must be pretty low…..
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pmNotice that Amanda couldn’t explain any relevance to her post.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:11 pmSorry wwallace, I usually take more time reading your genius posts, but I am in a hurry today. I’ve got lots to do…
Today’s Liberal Agenda
1. Find out if we can sabotage Cheney’s iPod.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm2. Buy more Bill O’Reilly “Holiday” Ornaments.
3. Find out what wwallace is on, because damn! That must
be some good sh*t!
I wonder how FOX Carolina, whose phone number is (864) 288-2100, would feel if people around the country started flooding them with angry phone calls?
I’m also curious how they would react to people e-mailing their reporters at the following e-mail addresses:
diana.watson@foxcarolina.com
michael.smith@foxcarolina.com
tami.birckner@foxcarolina.com
kevin.holden@foxcarolina.com
jennifer.phillips@foxcarolina.com
jillian.simmons@foxcarolina.com
jamie.guirola@foxcarolina.com
lidia.stmark@foxcarolina.com
Their General Sales Manager, Terry Conway (phone: (864) 213-2117, fax: (864) 297-0728, email: terry.conway@foxcarolina.com) might also be curious to hear people’s opinions about how their coverage of white supremacists could effect advertising revenues.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:14 pmwwallace, See #14 - Think demonstrating Fox’s imbalanced, biased coverage of a white supremacist story is a point. Not sure what you’re trying to prove.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:14 pmIan, angry about what? YOD, since Amanda bailed out, perhaps you can explain the relevance of a local Fox affiliate doing a story about white supremacists?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pmNo one should be surprised by this. When one thinks of who Fox News supports, what Fox news reports, this simply fits nicely into their little box of acceptability.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pmGoodness, I step away from my computer for 5 minutes and in that time wwallace is accussing me of being a republican and being Double A. In fact, wwallace is accusing everybody of something and still has not provided any facts or information pertaining to this thread.
I think Double A is right, wwallace is smokin some of the good stuff.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:17 pmHey trollers, this is good, isn’t it?
That this Think Progress piece, for once, isn’t about Fox News hypocrisy?
I guess you just can’t please some people!
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:18 pmOptimist has still offered nothing of relevance, period. Why is it that not one liberal, including Amanda who started this thread, cannot explain in any way the relevance of this post?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:20 pmwwallace can’t seem to figure out that “troll” is not name calling. It is an accepted term on these “Internets” for people that post garbage on a website. He doesn’t realize that as long as he posts garbage here, he will be a troll.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
Sorry troll, but that is what you are. If you are not familiar with “Internets” lingo, it is not my fault.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:22 pmI find it horrible that they call this sick website an excercise of free speech, but they moderate the comments!!
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:23 pmSpudge is posting garbage, therefore he is calling himself a troll. LOL
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:23 pmSpudge, posting a question that you can’t answer is not “inflammatory.”
LOL
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:25 pmIncidentally, why is ThinkProgress against other hate sites on the Internet? Are they against competition?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pmNice One, Ian!!
Let’s all email and call, shall we?
WhineyWally is particularly idiotic today. I laughed so loud about his “facts” that my kid came in to find out what was going on…
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pmnow he’ll insult me…
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:27 pmDoes wwallace think that I am addressing him, referring to him or give a crap what he thinks? I said trolls and he ASSumed I was talking about him. Interesting. He must be getting comfortable with being a troll. I-RIGHT-I even calls himself the “troll patrol” because he understands that is what he is doing.
Silly troll.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:28 pmWhy does everyone keep bashing wwallace? He cares about Think Progress. Really! wwallace is concerned about the relevance of this thread, and so am I. I mean ElectricBassPlayer said it best, Fox News actually reported on something factual! We should be giving congrats to Fox News, because they have finally proven that they are “fair and balanced”. I mean, which other network would cover this story? Damn liberal media!
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:28 pmDouble A:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Whew! Thanks for the laugh!
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:30 pmDouble A, but you’re not telling the truth - this thread is not about Fox News. It has nothing to do with Fox News.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:33 pmOf course it doesn’t, it has to do with me having fun at your expense. Enjoy!
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:33 pmShe is going to give an “unbiased view” while being a member of their Nazi comuunity? She just won my coveted Hypocrite Of The Year award for 2005.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:34 pmGee Wally,
You keep gettin’ all beat up everytime you come here.
So why keep doin’ it?
I mean that’s not the kinda stuff Dad tells us. He says to do what you’re good at, and gee Wally, you just ain’t any good at bein’ a Troll.
- Beaver
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:36 pmGMNotYet, posting on a site means you agree with everything on that site? So I’m a leftist Bush-hating terrorist appeaser now? ROFLMAO
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:37 pmHey wwallace, I checked the link you provided in the other thread, “The Nazi Master Plan” and the second document says this:
“In the interest of rapid distribution to the Staff of the War Crimes Prosecution in the field, the attached study is presented in unedited draft form. The document is still seriously lacking in evidence of probative value, ”
I’m not a lawyer,wwallace; perhaps you could explain what “seriously lacking in evidence of probative value, and is consequently ill-suited to serve as a basis for any international discussion” means.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pmTrue Blue, I asked a question, you can’t answer it. No one here will answer it. That means I’m being “beat up”? ROFL
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pmMerry KKKristmas from FAUX NEWS.
-GSD
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pmWally,
I’m tellin’ Dad you’re supportin’ a white robe wearin’ lady.
He’s gonna holler at you.
- Beaver
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:39 pm[Comment deleted by admin]
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pmdano, one document is a draft, therefore what?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:41 pmIt’s a sad day in journalism when a hate group/white supremacist organization cannot get network coverage from a reporter who happens to be one of their loyal supporters without that coverage being rebuked.
I mean, what next? Free elections? Personal liberties?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:42 pmSo, still waitin’ to hear how the Nazi’s (and Hitler) weren’t Christians, WWallace.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:42 pmMerry KKKristmas from Democrat Robert Byrd..
-GSD
perhaps GSD can explain why he mentions Fox News when this thread is not about Fox News.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:43 pmNazism, Fascism and Religious Conservatism are old bedfellows. The new ‘republicans’ are just the latest edition of this paring.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:43 pm“dano, one document is a draft, therefore what?”
Comment by wwallace — December 22, 2005 @
Therefore your assertion remains crap.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:43 pmwwallace is a war criminal.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:43 pmdano, if you, like the president of Iran, want to deny events of the Holocaust, knock yourself out.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:44 pmAnd a clumsy one at that.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:44 pmwwallace denies the events of the holocaust, and the fact that it was done by devout christians like Hitler.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:45 pmSee, Wally,
You’re gettin’ in trouble and stuff.
C’mon let’s go play with Lumpy.
- Beaver
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:45 pmwwallace, if you, like the president of Iran, want to deny events of the Holocaust, knock yourself out.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:46 pm“dano, if you, like the president of Iran, want to deny events of the Holocaust, knock yourself out.”
Comment by wwallace — December 22, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
I think it is you that will knock yourself out - from bouncing off the walls with no head protection.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:46 pm[Comment deleted by admin]
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:47 pm“I think it is you that will knock yourself out - from bouncing off the walls with no head protection.”
Wow, there’s a solid argument. LOL
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:47 pmAnd for the benefit of WWallace; the whole study you quoted from was “in draft form”, you dolt.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:48 pmwwallace, if you, like the president of Iran, want to deny events of the Holocaust and christian crimes, knock yourself out.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:48 pmwwallace probably didn’t watch the clip or read the title of the thread. Oh, and wwallace, before you watch it, I admit it, I fabricated the video clip today… I’m so ashamed! :P
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:49 pmWow, there’s a solid argument. LOL
Comment by wwallace
Gee Wally,
They ARE kinda winning
-Beaver
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:49 pmdano,
That’s also called ‘non-peer-reviewed’, which is exactly what republican partisan ‘creationist’ morons always produce…
If ignorance were gunpowder, wwallace could restart the big bang.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:49 pmAren’t we done marginalizing wwallace yet? I don’t even think that Horton could hear him now.
(Who is going to be the first to get my obscure Dr. Seuss reference?)
P.S. Pun intended
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:49 pmDecember 22nd, 2005 at 5:50 pm
dano, do you have a point, or do you simply wish to continue parroting the president of Iran?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:50 pmDid somebody say something?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:51 pmwwallace, do you have a point, or do you simply wish to continue parroting the president of Iran?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:52 pm“dano, do you have a point, or do you simply wish to continue parroting the president of Iran?”
Comment by wwallace — December 22, 2005 @
Who’s that? If I’m going to parrot someone, shouldn’t I at least know the guy?
What’s your point in posting such weak, easily-debunked crap?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:53 pm[Comment deleted by admin]
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:53 pm#80
Optimist,
So, you are saying that the first “w” in wwallace is short for “who” That is what Horton was trying to hear.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:53 pmIt’s short for
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pmwitless
whacko
worthless
worried
woeful
wasteful
winningless
Calling the events of the Holocaust, perhaps the best-documented events of history, “weak, easily debunked crap” is ridiculous.
Incidentally, the recent comments of the president of Iran denying the Holocaust were all over the news.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pmwwallace will not eat them here or there,
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pmhe will not eat them anywhere.
He will not eat green eggs and ham
…. something sam I am. (Sorry, I forgot the last line… LOL)
So now I’m a holocaust denier? Weak.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:56 pmDoes anyone else hear that annoying little buzz?
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:56 pmHe will not eat green eggs and ham
…. something sam I am. (Sorry, I forgot the last line… LOL)
Comment by Double A
He will not eat them, Sam I am
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:57 pmdano, of course, since you are in fact here denying documented events from the Holocaust.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:58 pmIf you’re going to post an authority, haw about reading it first? I mean, you just look silly when your “proof” goes “poof”, because you didn’t read past the headline.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:58 pmdano, you just look silly when you deny the existence of the evidence without even bothering to read it all.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:59 pmwwallace, you just look silly when you deny the existence of the evidence without even bothering to read it all.
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:00 pmForget about it, Horton.
It’s nothing worth saving.
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pm:))), Horton
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:01 pmI’ve read it, have you?
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:02 pmHere’s a good starting point for all of the Christian Holocaust deniers like wwallace. Hitler=Fascist=Christian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:02 pmNo anti-christian laws were passed by hitler, yet fascist americans claim he was anti-christian. Republicans will believe anything, poor retarded suckers!
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:03 pmdano obviously didn’t read all the documentation from Rutgers, which would take hours. Such an obvious lie. ROFL
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:04 pmHey wwallace, is your handle supposed to be based on William Wallace?
They will take our lives,
but they will never take our FREEDOM!!!!
Oops, they already took it.
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:05 pmFOX Reporter Caught Posting On White Supremacist Site
Think Progress contacted Birckner this afternoon and she confirmed that she is “FOXSC†on StormFront’s forums. Since joining in October, Birckner has posted five times, often gaining feedback (and praise) on her StormFront coverage….
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:10 pmGregor - we read this liberal rag and other “non-partisan†progressive wonl sites for the same reason “Fox Fearnatics†visit conservative sites - it’s always good to know what the other guy/gal is up to.
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Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 22, 2005 @ 5:43 pm
See, she’s not a lawyer… she sounds just like a reporter.
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:41 pmI thought the report let them talk about their racist views in their own words. Was there even a need for dissenting opinions? Anyone with a functional brain knows white supremacy is idiotic.
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:56 pmMatt,
The genetic difference that makes white people ‘white’ is one ‘defective?’ gene difference. It’s a random mutation, and nothing more.
Besides, genetic ‘diversity’ is the key to species survival, and it’s the thing that generally makes a species or group genetically ’superior’. By that measure, africans are clearly superior. There’s more genetic diversity between someone from east and west africa, than there is between someone who’s from east africa, and whites, asians, polynesian and native americans combined.
In reality there is no difference between any 2 human beings to matter - period! Culture, and personal bigotry is all that truly separates us, not the myth of race!
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:00 pmTO THINK PROGRESS’ ADMIN, THREAD MODERATOR, AND/OR AMANDA:
Many of the posts you have deleted were in response to an insult, taunt, or an otherwise offensive comment. The latter kind are still, untouched, in the thread.
Think Progress asked us to help improve the quality of this blog, and we are all too happy to oblige. But it is difficult to help improve said quality when you are allowing some bloggers to wantonly disrupt threads throughout Think Progress, and are not deleting their openly abusive, demeaning, inflammatory comments obviously designed to derail the conversation.
Can you please help us help you?
Finally, we all know this is your blog and you are well within your rights to delete any post you see fit. However, it would help if you could please clarify your criterion to either erase a comment or let it stand.
In that spirit, can you please explain to us how the following comments comply with your stated quality standards?
Kwanzaa was invented by a racist black separatist and felon in the 1960s. Thank you for demonstrating once again that Democrats openly condone racism.
Comment by wwallace — December 22, 2005 @ 5:01 pm
Optimist is here to defend nazis.
Comment by wwallace — December 22, 2005 @ 5:04 pm
Notice that Amanda couldn’t explain any relevance to her post.
Comment by wwallace — December 22, 2005 @ 5:11 pm
Why is it that not one liberal, including Amanda who started this thread, cannot explain in any way the relevance of this post?
Comment by wwallace — December 22, 2005 @ 5:20 pm
Incidentally, why is ThinkProgress against other hate sites on the Internet? Are they against competition?
Comment by wwallace — December 22, 2005 @ 5:26 pm
dano, if you, like the president of Iran, want to deny events of the Holocaust, knock yourself out.
Comment by wwallace — December 22, 2005 @ 5:44 pm
dano, do you have a point, or do you simply wish to continue parroting the president of Iran?
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:04 pmComment by wwallace — December 22, 2005 @ 5:50 pm
I posted this one last night:
But, we get no response, just random post deletions, with no ryhme or reason. They don’t delete the original troll posts that cause us to respond, only the response posts.
This is much the same way that a football game works. One player pushes another player, who turns around and pushes back. The second player, who was the original pushee gets the penalty. Even though everybody at home sees the first push.
All of us see the original flame post, but for some reason Think Progress does not.
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:08 pmNobody wants to be identified without their white hoods over their heads. Shoot - it could be your neighbor or your brother or you sister or your boss etc… .
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:18 pmSpugeBoy,
I mean to keep asking until I get an answer.
I don’t care if my questions get deleted.
If this is the quality Think Progress is striving for, maybe this is not the blog for us.
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:21 pmGregor and Spudge,
We are doing our best to enforce the policy evenly. These threads contain dozens and dozens of comments so it’s hard for us to keep up. If there is a particular comment that you feel violates our term of use, send us and email (include which post we can find it).
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:30 pmAnd in the meantime, I’ll keep harassing wwallace. :P
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:34 pmJudd,
With all due respect -it does not take a PhD to know who are the people trying to derail the threads.
If you are going to erase an angry response to an offensive remark, then you should also delete the motive.
As it is, you are allowing the disruptive posts go unchallenged and the thread to be thrown off-subject.
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:47 pmWhy don’t you change the blog to register the participants? I want to ignore the filth from IRI and wwallace. They contribute nothing to the debate and merely state all democrats are wrong, and all republicans are right no matter what the policy. Force us to register with an IGNORE button.
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:52 pmJudd,
I agree with Gregor, frankly that’s a very weak and unacceptable response. If you can take the time to delete the reponses to the original, you can certainly take the time to delete the original posting as well.
If you don’t have the time, resources, or personnel to actually do this effectively, one wonders whether you should state this as your intent. Clearly you’re understaffed to manage the blog correctly based on what you’ve stated. I suggest you hire people with enough time, and experience to do this job - your current system is clearly ineffective.
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:55 pmGregor:
It’s not a matter of understanding, it’s a matter of time. If you see something that violates the terms of use just help us out and send us email.
Andy:
We may consider a registration system in the future. As of now, we don’t have that capability.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:01 pm[Comment deleted by admin]
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:13 pmre: #18 above - WHNS is in South Carolina, dammit.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:27 pmPerhaps Gregor can explain why making a factual statement about Kwanzaa and refuting Holocaust deniers offends him so much.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:31 pmJudd,
All it takes is for your moderator to hit CTRL+F and then type wwallace or I-RIGHT-I and you will see the garbage they post. In this thread you need look no farther than post #6 and you will see wwallace attacking your own bloggers.
Amanda’s point is quite clear to everybody here.
Also, you state:
So, you have more time to go through e-mails than to just look at the threads? That just doesn’t make sense. I understand you guys are busy, but it would only take one person monitoring the threads to clear it of off topic attacks. Here is an idea. Only monitor the latest threads. If something is say older than three days, who cares if it is taken off topic.
I really like Think Progress. I like having debates with conservatives like Giacomo, cynicon implant and even mighty aphrodite.
Here’s something that hasn’t been addressed. What about somebody that uses a screen name like “Hitler was a liberal” Posts from people like “Sen Boxer kills babies” are not and will not ever add anything to any thread.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:32 pmwwallace,
You ARE a troll. If you don’t like that label, then stop posting on the Internet in an inflamatory way. Until you stop, you ARE a troll. That is an accepted term used on the Internet, not just here at TP.
I have already posted this same definition in this thread, but you must not have read it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
I am sorry if you don’t agree with the term, but it has been around for a very long time and will not go away, no matter how much you don’t like it.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:36 pmPointing out the absurdity of Amanda’s post is not an “attack.”
Spudge says, “Amanda’s point is quite clear to everybody here.”
Then perhaps Spudge could offer some sort of concise explanation, since neither Amanda nor anyone else has been capable of offering one.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:39 pmSpudge,
You ARE a troll. If you don’t like that label, then stop posting on the Internet in an inflamatory way. Until you stop, you ARE a troll. That is an accepted term used on the Internet, not just here at TP.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:40 pmHere is a link to the google cache of the actual story.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:40 pmSince when have facts mattered to you wwallace? I could show you pictures of Bush sodomizing children, and you would defend it as a necessary evil in fighting the war on terror. Don’t talk to us as if you were “Fair and Balanced” so to speak.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:44 pmDouble A’s last post is entirely ad hominem. Thus it violates the site Terms of Use, and should be deleted.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:46 pmDamn, and I thought he was going to go with “Decent Americans will Ignore him”. He sure showed me… :P
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:47 pmHere wwallace, let’s see if you can understand a simple term if I put into a different light.
If I was posting at a Playstation web site and an Xbox fan got on and said “Playstation sucks and you’re all dumb.” The Xbox person on the Playstation site is a troll. Do you get it now?
I am a left winger on a left wing site. You are a right winger on a left wing site. You are a troll. I didn’t make up the term, just very familiar with the Internet. It has nothing to do with being racist or anything else.
And:
The point of this thread is to show that the Fox reporter who did a piece on Fox News Carolina (from another thread) was clearly a participant on the StormFront web site. That is it, nothing more. Do you got that too?
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:49 pmSpudge: “If I was posting at a Playstation web site and an Xbox fan got on and said “Playstation sucks and you’re all dumb.†The Xbox person on the Playstation site is a troll. Do you get it now?”
So you’re saying any conservative on this site is a troll, no matter what they post, and any liberal on this site is not a troll, no matter what they post. Being “inflammatory” has nothing to do with it; the definition you posted has nothing to do with it. So then why did you bother to post that definition? LOL
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:54 pmNot ANY conservative, ALL conservatives, if they don’t have the courage of what they claim to believe.
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:00 pmwwallace,
Sheesh man, do read?
If an Xbox person goes to a Playstation site and says:
“Playstation sucks and you’re all dumb.â€
That is inflamatory, making that person a troll.
If the Xbox person says:
“I like the Xbox because it has more horsepower than the Playstation 2.”
That is not inflamatory and opens up debate.
As I have already stated in this thread and I am sure you didn’t read it, there are conservatives here at TP that are not trolls. I specifically stated Giacomo, cynicon implant and sometimes mighty aphrodite.
You need to read before posting. I think that is half of your problem.
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:01 pmBasically, he posted it because he is irritated with you. I really don’t blame him, as most people are getting tired of your antics. But hey, you don’t care, do you? No, I didn’t think so. So, go ahead, keep acting like a child, I find it very amusing.
wwallace quick action response list
(a) (insert handle here)’s last post is entirely ad hominem. Thus it violates the site Terms of Use, and should be deleted.
(b) (insert handle here) is lying. Decent Americans will ignore him.
(c) Democrats are idiots. This thread is completely off topic. ROFLMAO
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:02 pmSpudge, clarification noted. Now, is it possible or impossible for a liberal to be a troll on a liberal site, under any circumstances?
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:03 pmwwallace,
If a consevative and a liberal are having a debate and another liberal jumps in and starts flaming, then yes that liberal would be a troll.
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:10 pm[Comment deleted by admin]
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:24 pmThe implicitly anti-semitic “War on Christmas” is but a preview of coming attractions on FOX. Next up — undisguised racism and explicit anti-semitism in the name of “balance.”
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:27 pmLet’s see, I think I’m going with plan A
wwallace’s last post is entirely ad hominem. Thus it violates the site Terms of Use, and should be deleted.
lol
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:28 pmImpersonating another commenter is a violation of the site Terms of Use. The management has been notified via email.
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:28 pmDavid, How is the “war on Christmas” anti-semitic? Christmas is not a Jewish holiday. LOL
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:29 pmI love you too wwallace. :)
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:30 pmParents, its 10:00 p.m., do YOU know where Bill O’Reilly is?
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:35 pmI don’t think I WANT to know where O’Reilly is. Because it’ll warp my fragile little mind!
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:20 pmCarl, I have just one thing to say….
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:22 pmwwallace,
I would take it that David is Bill O’Rielly is implying that he thinks that the Jews are perpetrating the Global War on Christmas. Who else has enough money to own the companies that sell “Holiday” items or have “Holiday” sales, rather than “Christmas.”
The reason why somebody could jump to that conclusion is because there are three main religions in the world. Christians, Jews and Muslims. The Christians wouldn’t perpetrate a Global War on Christmas. So, that rules them out. The Muslims are not known for owning anything but oil companies. So, that leaves the Jews.
Hence, the Global War on Christmas is being perpetrated by Jews. So, when Bill O’Rielly says there is a Global war on Christmas, he is implying that it is being done by Jews, making Bill O’Rielly anti-semetic.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:25 pmThat should be:
“…David is stating that Bill O’Rielly is…”
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:26 pmWhy do any of you bother responding to wallyworld. just be adult about it and ignore him. The only reason he continues to post is because he gets a reaction. Stop reacting entirely and he will eventually go find another playground.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:33 pmTony Snow has also written a column for them:
http://intoxination.blogspot.com/ 2005/ 12/ tony-snow-columnist-for-white.html
Jamie
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:35 pmhttp://intoxination.blogspot.com
wwallace-
Time for the most important fact.
There is no war on Christmas. O’Lielly admitted to making it up. Probably for the ratings or just to try to get a job at the White House, where he could asslick the President’s behind while eating a felafel.
There is no War on Christmas. It doesn’t exist. Go find another war to make up.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:49 pmI think wwallace went away for awhile. Probably causing grief on some other blog.
December 22nd, 2005 at 10:52 pm“Can’t we all just get along?”- Rodney King
WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD
(George Weiss / Bob Thiele)
I see trees of green, red roses too
I see them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
The colours of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces of people going by
I see friends shakin’ hands, sayin’ “How do you do?”
They’re really saying “I love you”
I hear babies cryin’, I watch them grow
They’ll learn much more than I’ll ever know
And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
Yes, I think to myself, what a wonderful world
Oh yeah
Louis Armstrong
December 22nd, 2005 at 11:40 pmIt should not surprise anyone that FOX News and Stormfront would be close allies. After all, Stormfront and other “states’ rights groups” were leading the fight to keep the votes for Al Gore from being counted in Florida in 2000:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0046,ladd2,19934,6.html
December 23rd, 2005 at 12:29 amPeople forget FOX is a jewish owned network. All the fools at FOX are jewish tools used to divide weak minded christians. In short, they make money by watching right wing christians act like jackasses. FOX is pretty clever. They draw people in with liberal TV shows then sock it to them with right-wing news/opinion.
By the way, 6 million jews dead in nazi germany? Yeah. Right. It’s a lie. Suckers.
December 23rd, 2005 at 1:20 amHitler himself identified as Christian.
The pope and bishop called Hitler a Christian.
His fellow Nazis during Nuremburg called Hitler a Christian.
Yet republican christian holocaust apologist say he isn’t based on NOTHING.
Republicans are such holocaust apologist, clearly they have more in common with the president of Iran, than americans.
December 23rd, 2005 at 1:47 amLets see what hitler himself said about his religion:
December 23rd, 2005 at 1:51 amwwallace lies and said hitler didn’t use ‘christianity’ to justify his policies, hitler’s own words say wwallace is as big of a liar as rove is.
December 23rd, 2005 at 2:05 amI read the nuremburg files. They’re an interesting read, and frankly the stories, policies and attitudes sound exactly like the current Republicans. I’m sure Hannity didn’t mean to point people to such a clear and indicting document - he must have been swayed by the misleading title. While the title was clearly an attempt to put a good face on christians in europe, it actually has the opposite effect if you read the contents.
It is a remarkable document, but not because of what republicans believe it says.
In particular the document describes how evangelicals (remember this includes Bush) were completely in line with Nazi policies, and that the actions of the evangelicals and Nazis were as one.
Sound familiar? It should.
December 23rd, 2005 at 2:59 amGuilt by association is rubbish! If posting on a white nationalist website makes Tami Birckner a white nationalist, does walking into a garage make me a car?
December 23rd, 2005 at 3:02 amAA,
That’s really funny, you know strawmen usually follow the yellow brick road, and don’t make good blog posters.
December 23rd, 2005 at 3:11 amAA,
I guess you missed the part where Birckner posted a 1-sided puff piece for the white supremacist. The only reason that would happen is if the reporter or the company are white supremacists. Considering it’s fox, the easy answer is that it’s both.
December 23rd, 2005 at 3:12 amRepublican = Fascist = Nazi = White Supremacist
End of discussion.
December 23rd, 2005 at 3:13 amIt’s important to note here that there is no such thing as a “Fox News Channel” affiliate. What we’re talking about here is a local station that carries Fox programming.
This in no way changes or excuses what they’ve done but it does mean that you shouldn’t call FNC to complain about it. This is a station NOT owned by Fox. Call the station to complain about this story.
December 23rd, 2005 at 3:22 amWhite supremacist crackdown call
Sydney Morning Herald, December 19, 2005
…The videos, which depict race-bashed bashings and carry slogans such as “Not White, not welcome in Cronulla”, are being downloaded from the website Stormfront…
http://www.smh.com.au
December 23rd, 2005 at 4:31 amI live in this station’s broadcast area. I encourage all other persons that also live in WSC and WNC viewing area to note all advertisers giving money to this Fox affiliate and contact them. Tell them that you will not purchase products from companies who associate themselves with a white supremacist supporting station. It’s a heavily Christian area, and unless these advertisers belong to an Aryan Church (and yes, sadly there are some of those around here), this is NOT the behaviour a “good Christian” would support.
December 23rd, 2005 at 9:38 amDoesn’t wwally realize that he is making the right look like the sophomoric hacks that they are? I mean, not that they dont do a good enough job of that on their own, but his debating skills are equal to that of a rock. HE just repeats sad talking points, even ones that were debunked months ago.
Wwally! Can you come up with a single original thought? Or can you at least keep your talking points current? LOL
December 23rd, 2005 at 10:03 amOnce again, folks, let’s make it clear–WHNS or “Fox Carolina” is NOT owned by Fox–it is just an affiliate. Meredith Corporation owns the station. The only connection the station has with News Corp. is its Fox affiliation and that it probably takes the Fox News Edge feed. Roger Ailes had NOTHING–repeat, NOTHING to do with this story.
FNC has a lot of legitimate failings–let’s not blame them for something they didn’t do.
December 23rd, 2005 at 10:18 amDoesn’t John in Chicago realize that he is making the left look like the sophomoric hacks that they are? I mean, not that they dont do a good enough job of that on their own, but his debating skills are equal to that of a rock. He just repeats sad talking points, even ones that were debunked months ago.
John, chan you come up with a single original thought? Or can you at least keep your talking points current? LOL
December 23rd, 2005 at 10:26 amWally must like abuse. Seriously, though, people should contact the media writers like Kurtz, or other networks like MSNBC, or maybe affiliates of other networks in the area. The local Fox affiliate isn’t going to respond to complaints. Hell, they probably don’t take their white hoods off long enough to even read their e-mails.
December 23rd, 2005 at 10:33 amwwallace at it again… lol :)
December 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 amSeriously thought, wwallace, you need to come up with some new talking points. I believe I already covered them all yesterday. See post #135.
December 23rd, 2005 at 11:05 amSubject: The difference between left and right!!
One day a florist goes to a barber for a haircut.
After the cut he asked
about his bill and the barber replies: “I’m sorry, I
cannot accept money
from you; I’m doing community service this week”
The florist is pleased and leaves the shop. Next
morning when the barber
goes to open there is a thank you card and a dozen
roses waiting for him at
his door.
Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he
goes to pay his bill the
barber again replies: “I’m sorry, I cannot accept
money from you; I’m doing
community service this week.”
The cop is happy and leaves the shop. Next morning
when the barber goes to
open up there is a thank you card and a dozen donuts
waiting for him at his
door.
Later a Republican comes in for a haircut, and when
he goes to pay his bill
the barber again replies: “I’m sorry, I cannot
accept money from you; I’m
doing community service this week.” The Republican
is very happy and leaves
the shop.
Next morning when the barber goes to open,
there is a thank you card and a dozen different books such as “How to
Improve Your Business” and
“Becoming More Successful.”
Then a Democrat comes in for a haircut, and when he
goes to pay his bill
the barber again replies: “I’m sorry, I cannot
accept money from you; I’m
doing community service this week.”
The Democrat is very happy and leaves
the shop. The next morning when the barber goes to
open up, there are a dozen Democrats lined up waiting for a free haircut.
And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between left
and right.
So true! The only thing missing is the fights in line and the bitching that always accompanies the hand outs losers get from good people.
December 23rd, 2005 at 11:59 amI-RIGHT-I, that is the most idiotic remarks I ever had read — thanks for trying to make Dems and Liberals look bad as always.
There is nothing that Conservatives and Republicans love to do: Defame others to make themselves look better.
Go and defame a pig.
R-
December 23rd, 2005 at 12:24 pmSubject: The real difference between left and right!!
One day a florist goes to a barber for a haircut.
After the cut he asked
about his bill and the barber replies: “I’m sorry, I
cannot accept money
from you; I’m doing community service this weekâ€
The florist is pleased and leaves the shop. Next
morning when the barber
goes to open there is a thank you card and a dozen
roses waiting for him at
his door.
Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he
goes to pay his bill the
barber again replies: “I’m sorry, I cannot accept
money from you; I’m doing
community service this week.â€
The cop is happy and leaves the shop. Next morning
when the barber goes to
open up there is a thank you card and a dozen donuts
waiting for him at his
door.
Later a Republican comes in for a haircut, and when
he goes to pay his bill
the barber again replies: “I’m sorry, I cannot
accept money from you; I’m
doing community service this week.†The Republican
is very happy and leaves
the shop.
Next morning when the barber goes to open,
there is nothing at is door but a note from the NSA letting him know that his business is being illegaly wiretapped.
Then a Democrat comes in for a haircut, and when he
goes to pay his bill
the barber again replies: “I’m sorry, I cannot
accept money from you; I’m
doing community service this week.â€
The Democrat is very happy and leaves
the shop. The next morning when the barber goes to
open up, there are a dozen Democrats lined up waiting to pitch in and give everybody free haircuts.
And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between left and right.
So true! The only thing missing is the republicans trying to figure out a way to double charge for the free haircuts and give the no bid contract to their cronies.
December 23rd, 2005 at 12:25 pmHave a Merry X-Mas I-Right-I, and remember, if your going to drink and drive, drive REALLY fast.
December 23rd, 2005 at 12:46 pmSo True Spudge, so true…
You forgot about the other fifty or so Democrats who are not capable of giving free haircuts (as they lack the skills) but are turning up to help keep the crowds entertained, take appointments, provide refreshments and so on…
Of course the Republican from the day before would turn up with a news crew and claim either that it was all his idea or complain that he is putting all other barbers out of business and that the government should step in and regulate this (free) market in the interests of the economy.
Z.
December 23rd, 2005 at 1:01 pmWhy is the revelation that the FOX propaganda network thinks that a racist, skinhead, inbred, redneck, al cracker, “homo”cidal (sic), mostly southern, red state, right wing, neo-nazi, facist (they have “minders” who check the posts to make certain a poster’s views are compatible with the site’s facilitators “before” they’ll allow the post onto their forums), UNAmerican, genocidal, repuglican website is praiseworthy NOT A SURPRISE?
White Nationalism (the preservation of the “white” race) is supposedly their “aim”. Self preservation is a strong human instinct, therefore it stands to reason that whites should want to preserve certain aspects of their culture and heritage.
The problem with these “stormfront” Al Crackers is that they represent the most evil part of the white race. The part that believes that the only way the white race (and white purity) can be preserved is through ethnic cleansing, genocide, homo/homicide, and the subjugation of “inferior” races and persons. They are Hitlerian disciples who do not believe in freedom, democracy, and equality.
Even the name of their website is ominous and transparent- STORMFRONT.ORG.
I hope they realize that they are in fact a “global” minority, and that fomenting a race war in America will more than likely result in the realization of their paranoid fears. They should realize that they aren’t the only ones prepared to defend themselves, or take the offensive if the need arises.
December 23rd, 2005 at 2:21 pmKwanzaa was invented by a racist black separatist and felon in the 1960s. Thank you for demonstrating once again that D