Surveillance myths debunked.
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let the impeachment proceedings begin!
December 22nd, 2005 at 1:55 pmI second you, Pete Bogs
December 22nd, 2005 at 1:57 pmcome on, where is andrew? this is his talking point!
December 22nd, 2005 at 1:59 pmcome on lil guy, speak up!
We seem to be hearing the ‘playing politics’ defense alot lately.
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:03 pmThank God for Thinkprogress and Media Matters.
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:16 pmSadly, we’ll be beating back these myths for the next couple of months. “Well Gosh durn it, I heard it on Rush, O’Reilly, and Hannity so it must be true”.
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:18 pmYou know the liberal MSM is just lying. Why do they expect us to read the parts we don’t like?
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:23 pmNice try but, sadly, the Post article had the following headline:
“RNC Points To Spy Orders By Carter, Clinton”
Talk about burying the lede. Why the hell didn’t they use this headline:
“RNC Claims Omit Key Facts on Spy Orders By Carter, Clinton”
Memo to Post editors: Get a friggin’ clue.
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:25 pmWhy do they expect us to read the parts we don’t like?
Comment by Clyde the Ripper —
You Don,t Like It??? Well,well,well, Then You must allready Know that Ole Saying.
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:30 pmTOUGH SH*T ! Suck it up and Move Over!
If the Kitchen gets too Hot, Then Get the Hell OUT !
I,m Sure there are more. Any one else? or, NEXT! Or Talk to the Hand!
You Know, Hussein Might Just be the Victom by the time this is All Over>
Hussein: White House ‘No. 1 liar in the world’
After day of outbursts, the trial adjourns until January
Thursday, December 22, 2005; Posted: 1:44 p.m. EST (18:44 GMT)
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:32 pmanything by the RNC = LIES!…Impeach them all.
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:34 pmBush has Got to Go !
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:35 pmno freedom
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:35 pmtake your meds. He was kidding
Republicans wage a ‘war on truth’.
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December 22nd, 2005 at 2:39 pmIndex For Volume Seven Issue Number Twelve – December 2005
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here we go again with nofreedom’s rants that have nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
Worse than the Trolls …….
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December 22nd, 2005 at 2:46 pmYes – we should let Saddam have his country back since he claims he was tortured by U.S. soldiers. Anyone can see that Saddam is an innocent man. How dare Bush attack him? He should be released at once and be reinstated as president. While we’re at it, we should let the Taliban have Afghanistan back as well since 9/11 was a plot planned by Bush and co.
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:46 pmhttp://www.offshore-companies.co.uk/
December 22nd, 2005 at 2:48 pm#24..no one said that here…just you. Now go and watch o’liely and russ and whine.
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:08 pmwe should let Saddam have his country back since he claims he was tortured by U.S. soldiers.
Comment by . — December 22, 2005 @ 2:46 pm
If true, this would put his trial in jeopardy -another reason to be against torture.
Anyone can see that Saddam is an innocent man. How dare Bush attack him?
If you mean innocent of involvement in the 9/11 attacks, well, yes, he was and still is. Pres Bush has backpedaled on his claims (which he now says he never made) and admitted Hussein’s regime had nothing to do with those attacks.
Other than that, this is a feeble attempt at sarcasm and a strawman.
He should be released at once and be reinstated as president. While we’re at it, we should let the Taliban have Afghanistan back as well since 9/11 was a plot planned by Bush and co.
(i)Strawman. (ii)If you are trying to be sarcastic, maybe you should look for the people who are advocating Hussein be re-instated and the Taliban be given control back.
When you do find them, come back and let us know.
How about you try to stay on topic? Do you have an opinion on Bush’s illegal eavesdropping?
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:08 pmThe retard “.” believes that he’s the ‘opposite’ of saddam, but I’m sure saddam believed he was the oppose of ‘osama’. That’s what’s funny about reichwing morons, they always think everyone they’re fighting is the opposite of them, but ironically they’re often the ’same’ as them.
And “.” is probably too ‘retarded’ to know that republicans put Saddam and his fascist RIGHTWING regime in power so they’d fight the commies.
And “.” is probably too ‘retarded’ to know that republicans sold saddam WMDs.
And “.” is probably too ‘retarded’ to know that republicans turned a blind eye to Saddam’s torturing.
It’s funny to see “.” grow a conscience now, considering republicans never had one when they were proping up this miserable dictator in the 80s!
Republicans are hypocrites and fools!
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:10 pmBush committed a crime.
Impeach Bush.
It’s THAT SIMPLE!
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:11 pmWhat the republicans think of Saddam Hussien:
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:34 pmYes – we should let Saddam have his country back since he claims he was tortured by U.S. soldiers. Anyone can see that Saddam is an innocent man. How dare Bush attack him? He should be released at once and be reinstated as president. While we’re at it, we should let the Taliban have Afghanistan back as well since 9/11 was a plot planned by Bush and co.
Comment by infinitesmal speck of irrelevance [.] — December 22, 2005 @ 2:46 pm
How do you keep that Olive Oyl physique while battling strawmen all day?
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:35 pmChuck Hagel debunks them also (over at Kos, front page
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:50 pm
The arrogance of the Republicans will be their ultimate undoing. If they understood clearly what their sainted leader just did to them, they’d be backing away from Bush as quickly as they could. Here’s why:
Plausible deniability.
Before Bush and his Henchmen arrogantly declared that they were “saving lives” by spying on US citizen _within_ country borders, anyone in DC could claim they didn’t know anything about it. This has worked for decades. If you don’t know about it, it’s hard to tie you to a crime of this magnitude.
Now that Bush as outted himself, now that Europe is nearly on fire over revelations of “extreme rendering” (aka: kidnapping people off the streets), EVERYONE involved is in trouble. Maybe no today. But someday. They can no longer claim to have _not_ known. Why do you think that judge quit so quickly after it was revealed that the NSA had spied inside this country?
This is what Europeans have used to go after Pinochette(sp?) in Chile. Augusto’s lack of plausible deniability caught up with him. Do the Repugs absolutely believe they are untouchable? Then what happened to DeLay? To Gingritch? To Abramhoff? To Scanlon? To Cunningham? And is about to happen to Rove? To Conrad? To many others?
Someday, somewhere, after they’ve sold our country out to the highest bidder and taken their money and ran, Bush may be arrested, tried, and jailed for his crimes. And it might not be US citizens who make this happen.
Bush completely BLEW his own cover of plausible deniability.
His goose is cooked.
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:56 pmAnd Bush has arrogantly cooked everyone else’s goose in the process.
Repugs are just too stupid to run a formerly great country. They all need to be removed and jailed.
December 22nd, 2005 at 3:57 pmWow…Adndrea Mitchell actually did a relatively good job last night on Hardball. She wasn’t quite the hack she usually is. She did, however, revert back to her usual self when she lobbed a few softballs at the the republican senator (framed the questions in a way Ken Mehlman would have been proud).
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:01 pmAt least Reagan knew how to work the plausible deniability angle. He never came out and said, “I can’t comment on our arms-for-hostages operations, as it would put American lives at risk.”
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:02 pm#32 – thanks for that quote.
Why does the corporate media almost completely black-out Chuck Hagel’s criticisms? I would vote for him over Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton.
December 22nd, 2005 at 4:25 pmI can hardly believe that Andrea Mitchell actually stated a news piece that was opposed to the RNC position. The Post article is correct too, but truth is not as clearly stated up front.
December 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pmLet the RNC spin as much as they want. America deserves a real president not a dictator. Impeach Bush now!
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:41 pmAs a Republican , this does not represent my views at all.
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:46 pmSaddam was set up? I heard a piece recently about Rumsfeld and another top US Official meeting sometime in late 1988. The story goes that the US Official met the Emir of Kuwait urging him to move his borders a few hundred yards to take over an Iraqi Oil field. A Few months later either Rumsfeld or another top official met saddam in France telling him that it would be in his best interest to invade kuwait and reclaim his oil fields which is exactly what he did and exactly what happened. Nice way to light the flame under the fire eh?
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:20 pmfuture of republican rightwing fascist Pigs is numbered. Guaranteed.
December 22nd, 2005 at 9:21 pmImpeachment is making itself heard in more places lately, but few in the MSM will take an “official” poll of the public to see where they stand. Some on-line sites polled, but they are not scientific. Real pollsters need to take a poll and find out how many Americans are ready to throw Bush’s ass out of the White House. Are they afraid of what they’ll find? That a majority are ready to impeach for a variety of just causes.
December 22nd, 2005 at 11:47 pmVote with your money! Go offshore and keep it protected from all forms of attack or taxes. That is how to slow big brother down….
June 28th, 2006 at 2:19 pmOffshore Company Formation