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Contradiction And Confusion From the Right on Warrantless Searches

On September 17, 2001, President Bush visited the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., to declare that Muslims “share the same values of respect and dignity and human worth. … They love America just as much as I do.” But the actions Bush took in the days shortly after 9/11 sent a clear signal that his administration viewed those who stood with him in the Islamic Center as national security threats, not as individuals who shared American values.

U.S. News revealed that, in the days after 9/11, Bush ordered that “over a hundred Muslim sites in the Washington, D.C., area, including mosques” be secretly monitored for radiation levels without warrants or court orders.

Reacting to the story, the right-wing blog Real Clear Politics posted the following misguided commentary:

This is insane. Can we not settle the legality of these types of programs in private? … As with the NSA case, the leakers should be rounded up and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

In fact, federal officials involved with the program did try to settle the issue of the program’s legality in private, but the Bush administration (as it typically does) resorted to fear and intimidation to stifle dissent. Here’s what U.S. News reported:

Two individuals, who declined to be named because the program is highly classified, spoke to U.S. News because of their concerns about the legality of the program. … “A lot of us thought it was questionable, but people who complained nearly lost their jobs. We were told it was perfectly legal.”

The right-wing anger here is misdirected. It is the Bush administration that took actions contrary to the law and has thus made this an issue. In fact, the whistleblowers and U.S. News were careful to omit “sensitive methods” that would compromise the procedural operations of the program.

It’s also ironic that Real Clear Politics now wants to employ the power of the law to round up and prosecute leakers — unless of course the leaker is the deputy White House chief of staff and the substance of the leak involves an undercover CIA agent’s identity.



57 Responses to “Contradiction And Confusion From the Right on Warrantless Searches”

  1. gun toting liberal says:

    I have come to the conclusion that no amount of reason or talk will convince those who are lined up in lockstep behind President Bush of anything.

    The mountain of evidence of the corruption of the Republican leadership of both houses of Congress and Bush’s administration continues to grow. Their disdain for the Constitution, their willingness to support profoundly unjust acts aimed at the nation’s most vulnerable individuals and families, their willingness to sneak legislation underneath the radar in the dead of night and keep votes open interminably to force the strong-willed into mouse-like contrition to the leadership – and the mean-spirited unfairness of that legislation, the giveaways to their corporation sponsors…

    The mountain of evidence of loathsome, sometimes illegal, anti-American, anti-family, greed-driven, secrecy-obsessed, bare-knuckled politics threatens to reach to the sun. And yet these people don’t see it.

    Last night, in one of the final acts of moral abomination before boarding the jet back to their home districts, the Senate approved billions of dollars in tax cuts that strip thousands of families of their bare necessities for the winter season. In my state, families have just had home-heating fuel assistance stripped out from under them. Food stamps, often the last line of defense against starvation and malnutrition for the nation’s poor – stripped of millions in funding.

    Virtually every program in this nation which helps the weak to survive the predations of the strong and powerful has been gutted. Meanwhile, the largesse keeps rolling in like a tsunami of generosity to those who do not need or deserve it. The tax cuts they want to make permanent. The rollback of Teddy Roosevelt’s first progressive blow against the oligarchy of the robber baron elite, the inheritance tax, has been successfully spun into a “death tax” that afflicts the humble, God-fearing “American Gothic” style American farmer and causes him to lose the farm. Of course, not one such humble dirt farmer can be found. This is a concerted effort on the part of billionaires, people. Not your pappy’s corn farm.

    It’s a great time to be an energy executive (like George and Dick), a corporate leader, a Halliburton man, or any blue-eyed devil with deep pockets, friends. The money rolls in faster than they can pocket it. The White House laughs and laughs. The zombie pundits harangue “liberals” for launching a “war on Christmas,” while actual dead bodies litter the globe as the result of the Right’s paranoia and cynical manipulation of fear.

    A war on Christmas, honestly. As if such a thing were actually happening… meanwhile the war on the American people by their fraudulent leaders continues unabated and the large majority of Americans watch helplessly as their pensions, health benefits, collective bargaining power, life expectancies whither.

    The Right wing leadership and their cronies live in the lap of luxury, forget about shared sacrifice, forget about equality and fairness. Just keep that money river flowing and the anger at a fever pitch, as long as they make sure the muzzle of rage is safely pointed at people who can’t actually shoot back. 18,000 “terrorists” now under surveillance by the unchecked executive branch, the poor, who have no voice, the working poor who are too exhausted to fight. The mentally ill, the elderly.

    Merry Christmas, suckers, Bush says from high on the hill. Sleep well.

    Sooner or later we’ll have nothing left but our feet to protest with, and our votes. I await that time, America. I’ll see you in the streets.


  2. EasyRider says:

    This is my stated position on the GOP:

    The current Right-wing Republican leadership uses the government and laws against the individuals to protect the corporations and businesses. As a committee chairman Tom Davis is part of that leadership.
    It is my personal believe that the government must protect the individual and the individual’s rights from corporations, bad government and bad laws.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/31/205146/41, “Why I Want to be President but Can’t”


  3. Boult says:

    Faiz, what a amazing find!


  4. AvengingAngel says:

    Karl Rove may be widely credited with being “Bush’s brain.” But when it comes to the administration’s dangerous and unprecedented expansion of presidential war powers, John Yoo is the President’s mouthpiece.

    For the full story, see:

    “Yoo Da Man.”


  5. Marie says:

    #1, gtl,
    Well said. I am hoping for something to push Bush’s snowball down the hill to hell in 2006.


  6. Mike says:

    We came be like our friends in Uzbekistan…..

    New York, August 20, 2001) The Bush administration should name Uzbekistan a “country of particular concern” for religious freedom, Human Rights Watch urged today.In a 17-page memorandum released today, Human Rights Watch documented Uzbekistan’s campaign against independent Muslims

    http://hrw.org/english/docs/2001/08/20/uzbeki1376.htm

    Yours,
    Michael Chertoff


  7. AvengingAngel says:

    It’s time to raise the Conservative Threat Level:

    The Conservative Threat Level (CTL) is now Red/Severe: Return to Middle Ages Likely.


  8. alexis totally rules says:

    i just don’t understand. how can Bush think that he has the power to legislate from the white house? i don’t see anything, anywhere in the Constitution that explicitly grants power to the excecutive to ignore law. some critics argue that the power to issue Executive Orders is not granted in the Constitution, and that they in are in practice unconstitutional- ie, they amount to writing law.

    even if you agree that the president has the power to issue EOs (and courts have upheld this entirely constructed power), how do you come up with the formula that says an implied exceutive power supercedes not only legislation passed by the congress (say, FISA), but a right of the people of this country EXPLICITLY laid out by the 4th amendment?
    how??


  9. RunningDogLackey says:

    Dubya’s 3 Laws of Despotics:

    1. A despot will obey all orders given by the Vice President.

    2. A despot will not seek approval to perform an action, where such action is likely to be deemed illegal.

    3. A despot is free to claim any and all extra-legal and extra-Constitutional powers, except where these powers conflict with the First and Second Law.


  10. MarcWW says:

    I’m sure Nixon wanted to lock up all the leakers during his administration as well.


  11. Matt L. says:

    The argument I’ve heard defending acts of these sort is that “We are at war and need to win. The president is commander in chief and needs the power to ensure our success.” Yoo Da Man used this argument to defend torture, and now again to defend the warrentless wiretaps.

    But from a legal perspective I can’t see anything different between government in a state of war and government in a state of peace. Congress authorized the president to act with force, but there has been no formal declaration of war. Since there’s no legal start to the war, there won’t be a legal end to it, either.

    If you say the president needs ultimate authority because we are at war, and the war is nebulous (hard to win wars on nouns like “Poverty,” “Drugs,” “Terror.”) and neverending, then you have president who says he gets to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and anybody who’s queasy about that should just trust him. Well, forgive me if I don’t. I thought I lived in a country that had checks and balances, an independent judiciary, and a bill of rights.


  12. Liam says:

    BUSH CELEBRATES CHRISTMAS HOW????

    ‘Every word he says is a lie, including ‘and,’ ‘but’ and ‘if.” – paraphrasing Mary McCarthy.

    “Amazingly, Bush, now the governor of Texas, defended the illegal torture of the young fraternity pledges at the time as a harmless prank-insisting that it was comparable to “only a cigarette burn” which left “no scarring mark physically or mentally.” But others said the branding resulted in a second-degree burn that left a half-inch scab in the shape of the Greek letter Delta.”

    http://zinos.com/cool/zinos/scan/se=AR006454/sp=view_article/rs=yes/go.html

    To put our rich nasty frat boy’s policy in perspective, look at what a group in Ireland is suggesting.

    “The Irish Human Rights Commission (IHRC) is seriously concerned about reports that US aircraft landing at Shannon airport may be involved in the transport of persons to secret locations where they may be at risk of being subjected to torture, cruel or inhuman treatment.”

    http://www.ihrc.ie/home/wnarticle.asp?NID=134&T=N&Print=


  13. Clyde the Ripper says:

    There is a “law” that states “It is better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission.” This philosophy has merit when the term are considered. It is conceivable and permissible that DUHbya could have acted first rather than ask the permission of the FISA Court. It is not permissible if he does not “beg forgiveness” or ask for retroactive permission, which would have been granted without penalty if, a big word for such a few letters, IF, the wiretapping were legitimate. My first thoughts were that he knew that permission or forgiveness would not be given so he chose not to act hoping he would not get caught. The problem with that argument is that it requires some conscious thought on DUHbya’s part, an act not apparently within his capability. I am now convinced that he just really doesn’t care and not because he is arrogant but because he is a true sociopath and has absolutely no feelings but scorn, hatred, fear, and disdain for any other person. His immediate family included. His devotion to Cheney is due to fear and indoctrination (Pavlovian) more than respect. This Country is in a very sad state of affairs and it will worsen as time goes on until the despot is removed from office and stripped of self-assumed power. He will never resign nor even admit that he was ever wrong. The prisons of the world are filled with similar law breakers and egotistical malcontents. It is time for us to see that their ranks are increased by a significant number of like kind from the Bush Administration.


  14. Boult says:

    Faiz and et al,

    I have question for all of you.. I am wondering how long did Bush Admin took to craft the US Patriots Act?

    I am thinking they crafted long before 9/11 hmm? I lost track of when the original US Patriot Act passes?

    Thanks!



  15. Boult says:

    Ok I think I have the answer;

    Legislative proposals in response to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 were introduced less than a week after the attacks. President Bush signed the final bill, the USA PATRIOT Act, into law on October 26, 2001. Though the Act made significant amendments to over 15 important statutes, it was introduced with great haste and passed with little debate, and without a House, Senate, or conference report. As a result, it lacks background legislative history that often retrospectively provides necessary statutory interpretation.


  16. mighty aphrodite says:

    “But the actions Bush took in the days shortly after 9/11 sent a clear signal that his administration viewed those who stood with him in the Islamic Center as national security threats, not as individuals who shared American values…..after 9/11 Bush ordered that “over a hundred Muslim sites in the Washington, D.C., area, including mosques” (perhaps even the mosque Bush spoke from) be secretly monitored for radiation levels without warrants or court orders.” – Faiz

    **** With the level of anti-Ameicanism expressed by some imans, I HOPE THEY WERE MONITORED!!! Radical Muslims have hidden behind the skirts of some “religious” leaders here and abroad. If 9/11 hijackers included radical matzoh ball makers or the notorious gang at the Waterford glass factory, I would expect to keep an eye on them, too. NOTE I did NOT say round them up as FDR was wont to do. But please, TP continue to assert your security concerns – Americans won’t elect Dems and progs they perceive to be soft on terrorism. (Go TP, Howard, Nancy, Harry!!!!!!!)


  17. Susan says:

    I’ll be impressed by a reichwinger when they find a judge or lawyer that agrees that wiretapping Americans is legal.

    Until then, these scumbags to me are nothing but traitors an dictators.


  18. Wayne says:

    Anyone seen the live poll on msnbc.com?

    Not scientific,but shows 85% of respondents favor impeachment.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904


  19. Susan says:

    Wayne, the poll may not be scientific but it does express the opinions of real Americans.


  20. WORFEUS says:

    Cowards live safe

    Patriots live free

    BOOK OF WORFEUS 1:1


  21. G says:

    I have come to the conclusion that no amount of reason or talk will convince those who are lined up in lockstep behind President Bush of anything.

    Gun-Toting Liberal

    Yeah, we all got that. It’s no shame on you that it took you this long. No one will ever accuse you of rushing to judgement. You were more fair than I was in that regard. I was just faster than you in coming to that conclusion. Why they stiil support him is as irrelevant as the fact that they do.


  22. Armando Gomez says:

    No Vacation, no 9/11

    December 23, 2005

    In “Two views on the domestic spying controversy” David Brooks’ “TOUGH SPOT” reveals that the true threat to national security is an opinioned right-wing columnist. After reading Brooks’ viewpoints on President Bush deliberated spying on American citizens, whom he supports, I came away with commenting on his question of national security Brooks posed to the public (that’s me): What you would have done if you were Bush? Answer, quick and dirty: I would have paid extreme attention to an August 2001 PDB entitled “Bin laden Determined to Attack in U.S;” I wouldn’t have ignore terrorists plot to use aircraft before 9/11; wouldn’t have taken an extended vacation and ignored the clear and present danger about terrorism or al Qaeda before 9/11; wouldn’t have cut an FBI request for counterterrorism by two-thirds after 9/11; would given UN weapon inspectors enough time to certify the non-existence of WMDs in Iraq; and would have rebuked the fabricated “intelligence” gathered by Vice President Cheney’s and Secretary Rumsfeld’s “Office of Special Plans.” These actions would have prevented 9/11 and the Iraq war, and prevent a president’s attempt to destroy our civil rights.


  23. WORFEUS says:

    NYT: NSA Spying Broader Than Bush Admitted
    19 minutes ago

    NEW YORK – The National Security Agency has conducted much broader surveillance of e-mails and phone calls — without court orders — than the Bush administration has acknowledged, The New York Times reported on its Web site.

    The NSA, with help from American telecommunications companies, obtained access to streams of domestic and international communications, said the Times in the report late Friday, citing unidentified current and former government officials.


  24. WORFEUS says:

    My Freedom to them I will not give,

    My life is mine and mine to live;

    For if to them my rights I gave,

    In chains I’d dwell and be their slave

    SONG OF WORFEUS 5:12


  25. The Truth says:

    Can we as American citizens sue George Bush over this? Pehaps a massive class action suit. We could get the ACLU to sue George Bush on all our behalfs. The harm would be the violaton of the right to privacy established in Griswald and the FISA law. The remedy would be they would have to tell what Americans they have a file on and if any of those files were a result of warrentless searches or taps, they would have to pay and destroy the files. What do you think?


  26. the Fly-man says:

    Well if the spying thing is going to cool down for a while I would suspect to hear from Congress soon with some new immigration legislation. If you can’t peep on people what do you do next? You make it more difficult for people to spend or transfer cash out of the country. These hawala systems are the main pipeline. Terror has to be funded and obviuosly the govt. has had a hard time with the Sami Al-Arian case so what’s a congress to do? So i’d go with restricting cash flow. Why do think we switched to new $100 & $20 bills? Also read the Usn&w report especially the part about the collection is done by machines, no culpability for machines? Where is that one going?


  27. the Fly-man says:

    #27 SG thanks for the link. Is it any suprise? Think about it , what if Bush hadn’t nominated Harriet Meirs and Alito was seated before the NY Times released the story. The GOP has got to be hating life. Don’t count on recusal either, Scalia had no problem Hunting with Cheney, as his guest, before the executive candor ruling.Isn’t OPEC a supporter of Terrorism?


  28. G says:

    It’s also ironic that Real Clear Politics now wants to employ the power of the law to round up and prosecute leakers — unless of course the leaker is the deputy White House chief of staff and the substance of the leak involves an undercover CIA agent’s identity.

    The fact that this hypocrisy is so blatant and transparent is why only 15% of the absolutely lunatic fringe of the radical right still support this buffoon.

    Do you believe President Bush’s actions justify impeachment? * 142960 responses

    Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
    85%

    No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching “high crimes and misdemeanors.”
    5%

    No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
    8%

    I don’t know.
    2%


  29. G says:

    You know the shit has hit the fan when the left has to use the second amendment to protect the country from these racist, fascist bigots and nazis want to eliminate the first fourth, fifth, sixth, amendments, basically all ten of the bill of rights.

    Newsweek: Bush’s illegal domestic spying has echoes of “apartheid”

    Hey, cool, we’re now being compared to one of the most loathed, oppressive, vile governments in the history of mankind. You gotta admit, it takes a real special gift to take us from a shining city on the hill to apartheid in only 5 years.

    Tell me again that Osama hasn’t already won?

    From Newsweek:

    For anyone who has lived under an authoritarian regime, phone tapping—or at least the threat of it—is always a given. But U.S. citizens have always been lucky enough to believe themselves protected from such government intrusion. So why have they reacted so insipidly to yet another post-9/11 erosion of U.S. civil liberties?

    I’m sure there are many well-meaning Americans who agree with their president’s explanation that it’s all a necessary evil (and that patriotic citizens will not be spied on unless they dial up Osama bin Laden). But the nasty echoes of apartheid South Africa should at least give them pause.

    Then there’s this from Desmond Tutu:

    Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the South African Anglican leader who won a Nobel Peace Prize for his principled fight for justice in his native country. “It’s unbelievable,” he told me in an interview, “that a country that many of us have looked to as the bastion of true freedom could now have eroded so many of the liberties we believed were upheld almost religiously.”

    Tutu recalled teaching in Jacksonville, Fla., when Bush won re-election in 2004. “I was shocked,” he said, “because I had naively believed all these many years that Americans genuinely believed in freedom of speech. [But I] discovered there that when you made an utterance that was remotely contrary to what the White House was saying, then they attacked you. For a South African the déjà vu was frightening. They behaved exactly the same way that used to happen here—vilifying those who are putting forward a slightly different view.” Tutu made these comments to me exactly a year ago next week.

    Communist.


  30. Blue says:

    From Atrios:

    Impeachment

    Some communist rag called Barron’s says it’s time to consider impeachment. (via barry)
    AS THE YEAR WAS DRAWING TO A CLOSE, we picked up our New York Times and learned that the Bush administration has been fighting terrorism by intercepting communications in America without warrants. It was worrisome on its face, but in justifying their actions, officials have made a bad situation much worse: Administration lawyers and the president himself have tortured the Constitution and extracted a suspension of the separation of powers.

    (…)

    Surely the “strict constructionists” on the Supreme Court and the federal judiciary eventually will point out what a stretch this is. The most important presidential responsibility under Article II is that he must “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” That includes following the requirements of laws that limit executive power. There’s not much fidelity in an executive who debates and lobbies Congress to shape a law to his liking and then goes beyond its writ.

    Willful disregard of a law is potentially an impeachable offense. It is at least as impeachable as having a sexual escapade under the Oval Office desk and lying about it later. The members of the House Judiciary Committee who staged the impeachment of President Clinton ought to be as outraged at this situation. They ought to investigate it, consider it carefully and report either a bill that would change the wiretap laws to suit the president or a bill of impeachment.

    It is important to be clear that an impeachment case, if it comes to that, would not be about wiretapping, or about a possible Constitutional right not to be wiretapped. It would be about the power of Congress to set wiretapping rules by law, and it is about the obligation of the president to follow the rules in the Acts that he and his predecessors signed into law.

    Some ancillary responsibility, however, must be attached to those members of the House and Senate who were informed, inadequately, about the wiretapping and did nothing to regulate it. Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV, Democrat of West Virginia, told Vice President Dick Cheney in 2003 that he was “unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse these activities.” But the senator was so respectful of the administration’s injunction of secrecy that he wrote it out in longhand rather than give it to someone to type. Only last week, after the cat was out of the bag, did he do what he should have done in 2003 — make his misgivings public and demand more information.

    Published reports quote sources saying that 14 members of Congress were notified of the wiretapping. If some had misgivings, apparently they were scared of being called names, as the president did last week when he said: “It was a shameful act for someone to disclose this very important program in a time of war. The fact that we’re discussing this program is helping the enemy.”

    Wrong. If we don’t discuss the program and the lack of authority for it, we are meeting the enemy — in the mirror.


  31. I-RIGHT-I says:

    Wrong. If we don’t discuss the program and the lack of authority for it, we are meeting the enemy — in the mirror.

    Comment by Blue

    It was discussed at a higher level than the cub reporter’s and traitor’s and given the go. That’s all losers like you need to know.


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  34. WORFEUS says:

    That’s all losers like you need to know.
    Comment by I-DORK-I — December 24, 2005 @ 1:27 pm

    It’s really unpleasent to see how some persons display their blind obedience to a totalitarian power while admonishing their peers to do the same.

    The difference between I-SHEEP-I, and so real Americans, is that he thinks the best way to honor ones government, is to blindy follow it and ask few or no questions.

    Patriots on the other hand think the best way to honor their country, is to ensure that their government does not corrupt itself.

    Some parents think it’s good to support their children no matter what they do.

    And some parents will ride their kids to do the right thing, regardless of whether they like it or not.

    The good german citizens living in towns outside of the death camps, when the Americans rolled in and found the horrors waiting there, told the GI’s, we didn’t know. We thought they were burning rubbish.

    And I think a lot of Americans are going to be saying, we didn’t know, we thought they were liberating the Iraqi people at the upcoming Nuremburg 2 trials.

    I want my country to be good. Not evil.

    And that is why I speak up.

    A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.

    Edward Abbey


  35. WORFEUS says:

    The executive (President) has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war

    James Madison


  36. WORFEUS says:

    History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.

    Justice Thurgood Marshall


  37. Marie says:

    Knight Ridder Newspapers
    12/24/2005
    WASHINGTON – The White House decision to order surveillance of international phone calls by U.S. citizens without a warrant violated longstanding practices and could undermine a key U.S. intelligence agency that’s critical in the struggle against terrorists, former senior intelligence officials and other experts said this week.

    The super-secret National Security Agency, which eavesdropped on the Soviet Union’s leaders and scored other intelligence coups during the Cold War, has spent three decades recovering from domestic spying scandals in the 1970s.


  38. cleaner says:

    This Great Nation deserves a big apology for the Bush Administration’s secret illegal spying. A Special Prosecutor should be appointed to investigate the illegalities. Consequently, I would have liked some Moral Republicans to stand up and apologize in response to my post on a “neutral territory” Yahoo board yesterday:

    “Just when you thought it couldn’t get any worse . . . and now for covered up, illegal spying! Moral Republicans must be even more depressed to see another major issue in which their President has been caught lying and breaking the law. Even the Republican pandering show Hardball has an expose of the President’s lies to the American public about his illegal spying. See: Domestic Spying-Hardball at http://www.crooksandliars.com/. So unsurprising for Democrats yet so depressing for Republicans to watch our President sell us all and everything we stand for down the river.”

    But I guess not surprisingly the Republican posters on that board appear to have the same mentality as the Bush Administration they support. Deny they did anything wrong. Then blame everyone else for their secret illegal spying — blame the terrorists for causing the problem and the Democrats for questioning their approach. Here are the facts about what Bush did:

    1. Bush himself lied to and misled the American public about the Patriot Act and his Administration’s tactics for addressing terrorism (see video clip linked above).

    2. Bush and his Administration broke the law. By Bush’s own admission in the above clips court permission is required to spy on people. We also learned from Nixon that secretly using the government to spy on people is illegal. There are rumors that John Yoo, the infamous inexperienced White House counsel that wrote the now-debunked memos justifying flagrant violations of the Geneva Convention, wrote another memo in support of the Administration’s secret illegal spying.

    3. Bush and his Administration acted immorally. Once again Nixon showed that secret spying on Americans without judicial approval in a covered up operation is wrong.

    4. Bush overreacted to the terrorist threat in yet another non-productive manner. Secret illegal spying to combat terrorism is about as effective as our occupation of Iraq, now a terrorist breeding ground and cause celeb. We didn’t need secret illegal spying to stop 9/11 – in fact our government had all the pieces but just didn’t put them together. The secret illegal spying has not resulted in the capture of OBL and has not stopped the insurgency in Iraq. We need competence in law enforcement and our military.

    5. Bush’s focus is wrong again. While our government continues to execute a desperate program of secret illegal spying, Nick Kristoff has written about how the terrorists are running circles around us on the Internet, how we don’t intercept most of their communications and don’t have enough translators to interpret those that we do, and how we have not fixed silly rules that make it very hard for US agents to pose as Jihadists and infiltrate terrorist cells. And the 9/11 Commission found so many other failures, including that we still don’t share information within our government.

    Incompetence, corruption, greed, and denial of reality are the unfortunate recurring themes of the Bush Administration and Republican Leadership.


  39. A REAL FATHER! says:

    Has any one other than myself, actually took a long hard look at this Act?

    Under the 1998 International Religious Freedom Act, countries whose governments engage in serious violations of religious freedom can be named countries of particular concern for religious freedom.

    The law offers the president a menu of options for dealing with such countries, ranging from limiting certain kinds of assistance to full sanctions


  40. bill says:

    Remember the technology to even hear conversations in your house with your phone not even picked up was available in the 1960 by the diaphram in your phone that vibrates all they do is amplify this diaphram to be able to hear what your saying in your house ……..bear in mind that computers pick up on words in your conversation to automatically record if the word bomb comes up anyway …….you are all being bugged all the time illefal or legal…..does anyone really care ….saying this I am against bush just on moral grounds and cannot wait for that Ba__ard to die … the day he does i will personally buy a bottle of dom perinion and drink it up …even though i dont drink i just smoke dope


  41. unbelievable says:

    you are all being bugged all the time illefal or legal…..does anyone really care

    uh… yeah. Maybe the more important question is ‘ why don’t you’? Maybe, in itself it seems relatively harmless because you’re not suffering any consequences of it – yet. But this is exactly how they get us to capitulate to further erosions of our Constitutional Rights… If it ever comes to bite you, you’ll understand, unfortunately the hard way, why our Founding Fathers penned out Bill of Rights to begin with…


  42. unbelievable says:

    countries whose governments engage in serious violations of religious freedom can be named countries of particular concern for religious freedom.

    Does it denfine what those violations are, or is it up to the discretion of the Commander in Chief?

    I hope Georgie Boy and his Henchmen don’t get to make any more interpretations of anything else concerned with attacking or judging the behavior of other countries. As they clearly fail to recognize that what some people find acceptable cultural behavior, others don’t. He should have understood that culturally, democracy is a foreign concept to the Middle East, and bestowing it on them overnight was not only simple-minded and ignorant, but as we are finding out the hard way – dangerous. Just like the Crusades forcing their religious culture on pagan peoples who did not have a cultural capacity for fear-mongering worship.


  43. bill says:

    you need to group together as americans and have a public enquiry into 9/11 as i smell a fish after reading The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11 – David Ray Griffin;

    really


  44. turk fowler says:

    Of course…Valerie Plame, the undercover donuts and coffee paper pusher who’s husband and herself “outed” her before any leaks, is the same as the patriotic reporting of the NY Times tipping off our enemies that we’re listening in on their communications. I can’t wait for the 9/11 sequel when the NY Times leaks the “Why didn’t Bush do more!” article. There’s a reason the left keeps losing elections….they’re going to get us killed….and that’ll ruin everybody’s day.


  45. unbelievable says:

    There’s a reason the left keeps losing elections….they’re going to get us killed….and that’ll ruin everybody’s day.

    Comment by turk fowler — December 27, 2005 @ 4:04 pm

    Were you born in 2004? Because Clinton, a Democrat won both of his campaigns in 1992 and 1996. Then Al Gore won his election in 2000, even if the Supreme Court acted irresponsibly and annointed King George before the recount validated Gore (who also won the popular vote – which means that more people voted for him). Peeping George barely won the 2004 election with 51% (probably lost by the time you factor in the Diebold problems). Hardly room to declare a landslide. So, when you talk about how the left ‘keep losing elections’ what fairytale nonsense are you referencing exactly?


  46. Femi Akinlotan says:

    My one wish for 2006 is: Not one mention of Bill O’Reilly who feeds fat on the inordinate attention he gets from liberals. THE GUY IS AN OBVIOUS RETARD SO GET OVER IT!!!

    And also Ann Coulter who is just too stupid for words. PLEASE GOOD LIBERALS MAKE MY WISHES COME TRUE!!!!!!!


  47. I-RIGHT-I says:

    And also Ann Coulter who is just too stupid for words. PLEASE GOOD LIBERALS MAKE MY WISHES COME TRUE!!!!!!!

    Comment by Femi Akinlotan

    2006 is going to be a lousy year for you when we cut out the USAID to your shit hole of a country…where ever the hell it is.


  48. unbelievable says:

    2006 is going to be a lousy year for you when we cut out the USAID to your shit hole of a country…where ever the hell it is.

    Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 29, 2005 @ 3:18 pm

    I’d heard that 11% of American college graduates couldn’t located the United States on an unmarked map. I’ve been wondering who those mentally challenged folks were… Thanks for identifying yourself IRI.


  49. turk fowler says:

    unbelievable- “….couldn’t located? the United States…” You tell’em senor syntax!


  50. unbelievable says:

    unbelievable- “….couldn’t located? the United States…” You tell’em senor syntax!

    Comment by turk fowler — January 2, 2006 @ 3:04 pm

    I took Calculus and Physics in high school instead of typing. Get over the typo. It’s just a diversion for the fact that you can’t locate the United States on an unmarked map either.


  51. I-RIGHT-I says:

    I took Calculus and Physics in high school instead of typing. Get over the typo.
    Comment by unbelievable

    Just think if you’d not wasted time on math you could have taken some home economics and actually made yourself into a productive citizen. You might have kept your man too.


  52. unbelievable says:

    Just think if you’d not wasted time on math you could have taken some home economics and actually made yourself into a productive citizen. You might have kept your man too.

    Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 3, 2006 @ 2:19 pm

    You don’t consider architects or teachers productive??? Hmmm… that’s news to society because year after year the most respected professions always include both of those in the top ten (architect is usually #2 and since I teach architecture, well… double bonus).

    Kept Men? I thought only you were interested in kept men…

    Sorry, but you’re the only one divorced in this conversation… deal with it.


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