Kathleen Parker: If We Don’t Ignore Blogs, We’ll Die
Kathleen Parker: If We Don’t Ignore Blogs, We’ll Die
In today’s Orlando Sentinel, right-wing columnist Kathleen Parker provides a clear headed assessment of the blogosphere:
Each time I wander into blogdom, I’m reminded of the savage children stranded on an island in William Golding’s “Lord of the Flies.” Without adult supervision, they organize themselves into rival tribes, learn to hunt and kill, and eventually become murderous barbarians in the absence of a civilizing structure.
…When a mainstream journalist stumbles, they pile on like so many savages, hoisting his or her head on a bloody stick as Golding’s children did the fly-covered head of a butchered sow.
…Incivility is their weapon and humanity their victim.
…We can’t silence them, but for civilization’s sake – and the integrity of information by which we all live or die – we can and should ignore them.
That’s right. Ignore bloggers and pay attention to Kathleen Parker. For example, here’s a choice paragraph from her October 5 column:
The N-word makes me cringe . . . especially every time I hear Kanye West say it. His spicy songs, including his current hit, “Gold Digger,” are liberally seasoned with the word “nigga,” often couched in violence and obscenity. But when I imagine the immaculate and proper Condi Rice saying it…it makes me laugh.
That, my friends, is what it means to write with integrity. Us bloggers would be well served spending less time hoisting severed heads on bloody sticks and more time reading Kathleen Parker.
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WTF. I managed to ignore her until now, so thanks a helluva lot for bringing her witty literary craftspersonship to my attention. Yawn. Can I go back to ignoring her now?
December 28th, 2005 at 10:50 pmCan I read Dorothy Parker instead?
December 28th, 2005 at 10:57 pmYou know who’s on the winning side of this little war. Thank you for the best tidbit I’ve seen all day.
December 28th, 2005 at 11:00 pmOk, but in her defense, Condi Rice saying “nigga” would be pretty funny. It’d be even funnier if she did it like Colonel Stinkmeaner from the Boondocks TV show.
December 28th, 2005 at 11:00 pm#4
You’re right. Funny is funny.
December 28th, 2005 at 11:01 pmKathleen, we are the voices inside your head.
BLOGS ARE GOOD
BLOGS ARE GOOD
BLOGS ARE GOOD
BLOGS ARE GOOD
BLOGS ARE GOOD
BLOGS ARE GOOD
Just keep listening and maybe just maybe you pay attention, we’ll grant your very wish concerning the subject of death.
December 28th, 2005 at 11:19 pm;)
for enough money transferred to her swiss bank account, I’m sure she would change her mind in a minute and write a pro-blog column.
“For a dollar a day,
you can buy what I say,
as long as you pay me in cash.”
Kathleen “The Price Is Right” Parker.
December 28th, 2005 at 11:21 pmKathleen, we are the voices inside your head.
BLOGS ARE GOOD
BLOGS ARE GOOD
BLOGS ARE GOOD
BLOGS ARE GOOD
BLOGS ARE GOOD
BLOGS ARE GOOD
Just keep listening and maybe just maybe you pay attention, we’ll grant your very wish concerning the subject of death.
;)
Of course, you’ll die of disgust over the fact that we’ll be here FOREVER! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
“I’m gonna tell you something, Mister. You’ll be old and grey fore’ I ever leave this town.” Robert Mitchum from “Cape Fear”
December 28th, 2005 at 11:21 pmLast year, Ms. Parker suggested nuking Fallujah. Hypocrite.
She hates the bloggosphere, because her writing can be reflected back in a way that no LTTE is going to accomplish.
December 28th, 2005 at 11:26 pmMaybe Kathleen has confused herself with Dorothy Parker–she certainly seems to think her feather wit has similar weight. I’m sure she probably has a passing familiarity of Shakespeare, too, “some guy whose read me before, too,” as she would put it.
December 28th, 2005 at 11:27 pmDear Kathleen Parker,
Whatever.
Hugs and smooches, merciless
December 28th, 2005 at 11:33 pmThere’s nothing wrong with this blog that a free Cuban vacation won’t fix.
December 28th, 2005 at 11:55 pmSay What is the Name of the Rival Gang?
Bushco Paid TRolls and Journalists?
Neo-Kooks? I suppose those LIES, and those Weekly Standard
Magazines, and Books By Ex Cia Dude, Gerecht, or that Novak had better intelligence, or what Cheney called Feiths Intelligence “best there is” or to that effect, that Powell stood there and used OLD Sattelite Photos?
And this Lady,whom this soul has never read, tells the people to ignore the bloggers, we’ll Die?
That was one tall tree wasnt it? MsK Parker?
December 29th, 2005 at 12:14 amNow to find some more of your TRASH on the internet, so we the Information Seekers, can clobber you about the Bel.
What has happened in this country?
The Pentagon has a secret court created by the Foreign Intelligence Services Act (FISA). The courtroom is in a windowless room on the top floor of the Department of Justice. There are seven rotating judges. The court meets in secret, with no published opinions or public records. No one, except the FISA judge involved and the Department of Justice, knows what is done. No one, except the government and the FISA judge, knows at whom the warrants are aimed. There is no review by anyone. Over 12,000 search warrants permitting eavesdropping, surveillance and break-ins have been sought by the government. Only once has the FISA court denied a warrant.
The FISA court has issued more warrants than the more than 1,000 district judges in the federal system.
The Pentagon has already expanded its domestic-surveillance activity beyond any previous time in history. It breaks into homes, wiretaps and eavesdrops at will, and builds secret dossiers on citizens while arguing that there can be no judicial review of its activities. President George W. Bush argues that there can be no judicial review of any decision he makes when he decides whether an alien or an American citizen is or is not an enemy combatant. Congress supports this; so does the judiciary.
The expansion of presidential powers and the expansion of police powers is the single most important issue facing this country. It is safe to say the new Supreme Court and a majority of Congress (both Democrats and Republicans) are prepared to give Mr. Bush a blank check. On Nov. 15, Carl Levin, the liberal Democratic Senator from Michigan and an outspoken opponent of the war in Iraq, joined his Republican counterpart from South Carolina, Lindsey Graham, in supporting legislation validating the Bushy’s Alice-in-Wonderland legal system and the expansion of his police powers. The Senate vote was 79 to 16 in favor.
What’s more, the Patriot Act had been extended. For the last three years, the President has justified torture, and Congress will soon give him legal permission to use it.
If or when there’s another terrorist attack, the government will seek more powers, claiming that it shows current laws are inadequate. We will certainly see, as we recently saw in Britain, the head of government ask for 90-day detentions of terror suspects without access to court. The attempt to end habeas corpus started at Guantánamo; it is now spreading to the rest of America.
Five years after we opened the Guantánamo prison, not one person in that prison has been found guilty of anything.
The legal system to treat the new prisoners of the war on terror, created out of thin air, disgraces us. No one ever before suggested such a legal system—not during the Civil War, not during World War I or World War II, and not during the Cold War.
We are better than military commissions, Abu Ghraib, Guantánamo, the Patriot Act and “renditionâ€â€”the sending of prisoners overseas to be tortured at C.I.A.-controlled prisons.
This country is approaching a dangerous turning point. There has long been a desire and a political movement in America for restrictions on democratic rights, for an authoritarian government propelled by a combination of religious and nationalistic fervor. The helplessness caused by the events of Sept. 11 and the domestic and international war against Muslim “terrorists†deepened this desire. Never before was there such a possibility of such long-term constitutional violations, because there has never before been such an open-ended war.
In Weimar Germany, a feeling of helplessness led to Hitler’s rise and the creation of the ultimate police state. There are similarities—and, of course, very significant differences—between America in the 21st century and Germany in the 1920’s.
Bushy has suggested that he was chosen by God to lead the United States in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. The Nazi government, against religion, saw the salvation of the German people in messianic terms.
Many liberals and conservatives are concerned where all of this might lead. Professor Fritz Stern, a professor of German studies at Columbia University, pointed out that Hitler saw himself as “the instrument of providence†who fused his “racial dogma with Germanic Christianity.†Paul Craig Roberts, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a former Wall Street Journal editor, writes of the “brownshirting†of American conservatism—he says the hype about terrorism serves little or “no purpose other than to build a police state that is far more dangerous to Americans than terrorists.â€
The pressure for fascism comes not just from the top. Without the people’s support, the Weimar government would not have been overthrown.
The change here is incremental and harder to see.
How we conduct the faux “war on terror†tells the American people who we are and what this country stands for. America has the oldest and most dynamic democracy in the world. It can right itself if the people want it bad enough.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:15 amOf course, she’s right. If people ignore the bloggers, and the alternative news sites, they’ll continue to believe the garbage spewed by the mainstream media.
Imagine, by ignoring the bloggers, the nation could stay ignorant of “WHAT WENT WRONG IN OHIO,” the DOWNING STREET HEARINGS, and “THE CONSTITUTION IN CRISIS!”
And, then, of course, they public could remain ignorant of the fact that all these were the work of Congressman John Conyers.
And finally, people like Kathleen Parker could dismiss the news that John Conyers is the TVNL Person of the Year!
Just make believe this article was never written, Kathleen:
December 29th, 2005 at 12:40 am
But… But… But I like my bloody stick.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:41 amKathleen Parker: If We Don’t Ignore Blogs, We’ll Die
Ms. Parker isn’t saying anything that is new. When the mainstream media fails the general public of its duty to provide a honest assessment of the day’s events, particularly at the costly consequences to the public for the lack of, we are forced to seek or create other avenues for information. With the likes of FOX News and MSNBC, Ms Parker is comforted in the belief that the status quo must be preserve at all cost—including the demise of the blogosphere.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:43 amParker’s column focuses on social issues related to family, children and gender. Having grown up in Florida with four stepmothers and a variety of siblings — half-, step- and whole — Parker says, “I know of what I speak.” She lives in Camden, South Carolina with her husband, son and a variety of pets.__________
Ms Parker says; “I Know of What I Speak”
December 29th, 2005 at 12:46 amReally?
You Said I, I. Aye Aye, are you a Sailor? perhaps you meant Eye Eye? Or ‘me’ ‘me’? me me is the most likely. Diacritics say theat I can be E Are you Sayin E E? Then you said ‘Speak’ perhaps you mean speak as a Sailor?
Also you said; Know What
Me, Me, Know, What, Speak.
Speak would be sounds, or to Muse, the Nine Muses, So by saying I KNOW OF WHAT I SPEAK, do you Mean; Me Me, Know What Muse.
So you learned a Song? Are you a Parrot?
Me Me Know What Parrot?
Is this What you Mean when you say;
“I Know of What I Speak”
Tell us What you Speak of?
Mrs. ‘Me Me Parrot Know What Muse’ Parker.
Ignore them? Blogs are dangerous?
Sounds like someone feels just a little threatened by Blogs. :|
December 29th, 2005 at 12:50 amNow why on earth would a journalist be afraid of Blogs???
Hmmmm……:\
December 29th, 2005 at 12:50 amOOOOOHHHHHH!!!! That overblown HARPY!!!!! My local paper started carrying her rambling brain farts last spring. OHMYGAWD!!! I have written many, many letters to the editor about her “emissions”. So far they have only printed one of them. Gum-flapping Parker was rhapsodizing over the wonders of the “traditional family”, and the need to steer clear of same sex marriage, because children are much better off with a mom and dad, rather than two parents of the same sex. Leonard Pitts had written a column as well. It was about a three year old boy, Ronnie Paris Jr. It seems that his father was so intent on making certain that his son did not grow up to be gay, that he beat him regularly, to make him “tough”. Dad was pretty nervous. He ended up beating his son to death. No more need to worry! But my point was that at least gay parents would be unlikely to beat their children to death to keep them from being gay. So much for her rose colored “ideal family” scenario. She just can’t stand the thought that people might want to form their own opinions, not just have them handed to them, by those claiming to know what’s best for them. I would really enjoy slapping her till she starts to cry….. Sorry. I should not have said that.I am better than that (I think). Oh well.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:50 amParker’s column focuses on social issues related to family, children and gender. Having grown up in Florida with four stepmothers and a variety of siblings — half-, step- and whole — Parker says, “I know of what I speak.” She lives in Camden, South Carolina with her husband, son and a variety of pets.__________
Mrs Parker is the only Author to ever have Step Brothers Sisters , etc, and stepmothers?
And Now She is an Expert on Political Science, the Internet, Blogoshpere, and Knows more than Oprah.
Whom also Knows what she speaks, but has spoken so much that she doesnt know or care what she said as long as some Idiot entranced in the sparkle box media triangle keeps watching or buying.Further,
______________
How Hillary can win
Dec 10, 2005
by Kathleen Parker ( bio | archive | contact )
Aspiring stateswomen have few role models on American soil. Thus, it’s an invent-as-you-go process for people such as Hillary Clinton, one of only a few women in the U.S. Senate and the most likely Democratic candidate for president in 2008.
Can she become the first female commander in chief?
December 29th, 2005 at 1:01 amA year ago, I would have said “no” simply because she’s not a woman most men – rationally or not – can stand. It’s a primitive reaction on their part, which is shared by enough women to keep her out.
Democratic women alone can’t elect her, and Republican women aren’t likely to cross over in significant enough numbers to make the difference.
________________
You talk about Men and women both being primitive?
Oh Yeah, Your Moving right up the intelligence Ladder, MS Parker, With comments like these…aw well.. Nevermind.
perhaps this soul is too ‘primitive’ and cannot properly interpolate your bloviating higher syndicated intelligence.
I saw her trot out this “lord of the flies” theme last Sunday on a talkshow. Methinks someone’s about to release a book.
December 29th, 2005 at 1:07 amBlogging – A form of exchanging ideas and information, some good some bad. Not always researched and must be examined through multiple sources before accepting its worthiness. But in this effort, the search for the truth is at its root core.
Mainstream Media – A form of brain washing and selective information distribution.
It’s what their not telling you that is important. The quote “Freedom of the Press†is a false reality. Americans believe this rule to be self evident yet every day, across the board, information is manipulated to fit the envelope. Only sound bites tell a story and the story is one sided lacking in any exchange of ideas. This is a cookie cutter formula to program the population. It’s a “what do you need to know†approach.
Beliefs – What one believes is based squarely on a foundation of what one knows from experience and what learns through the media and alternative sources. Reality and delusional views are both formed in this same way. What is your source? Are you delusional or rational?
Those who do not take the time to become informed, who only look to the mainstream because they are lazy and let’s face it, scared, are herded like sheep through the disinformation machine, grinded out like clones with a false sense of history embedded in their brains which they call reality.
The trust in this institution’s freedom is taken for granted. Can you really trust them with this power?
The power to shape the minds of the masses is impressive to watch. But there are a few who have the intelligence to resist and ask the tough questions. Those who sift through the BS, see the unseen, and connect the dots without influence from the mainstream bias press are pateriots speaking out.
It’s a rare thing to question why?
December 29th, 2005 at 1:51 amShouldn’t you all have a new Abramoff thread by now?
December 29th, 2005 at 2:39 amThat’s right people! Don’t think for yourselves, let big brother tell YOU what to think!
December 29th, 2005 at 2:39 amshouldn’t it be “we bloggers” rather than “us bloggers” ?
:)
the lady is nuts and a coward because she doesn’t want her work critiqued obviously , which means she doesn’t want to put the extra effort into accuracy incase someone catches her doing a sloppy job.
December 29th, 2005 at 4:33 am“right-wing columnist Kathleen Parker”
Of course, she’s not telling the conservatives to shut down their blogs!
Rediculous!
December 29th, 2005 at 5:13 amWho the hell is Kathleen Parker and why is she whining at us? Mayber her noggin can be shrunk down to Jack in the Box clown head size and she can be stuck on car antennae all over the country. Better than a bloody stick.
December 29th, 2005 at 5:41 amHas she ever actually listened to Bush speak?
December 29th, 2005 at 6:37 amWe still need to get indivdual congressman on the record about their position on being bypassed in the NSA spy scandal. Use the link if you need. I have already contacted mine and want his opinion in writing!
http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/issues/alert/?alertid=8329176
December 29th, 2005 at 6:47 amKathleen Parker should probably get back to high school and this time around pay attention every once in a while. Funny how she thinks ‘proper’ Condi Rice can say things Kanye West can’t. It’s not what you say, it’s not how you say it, it’s what you mean by saying it. Miss Parker is probably angry with bloggers because they keep tearing down her arguements while the majority of ‘m still hasn’t even reached 18. That must hurt indeed, if you’re too ignorant to see the beauty in this crowd. Thanks to blogging, many in the West now profit from more and better education, better information, better cooperation, better communication, better insight in the matters of the world…. Thanks to blogging the world is closer to a ‘global conscience’ than ever before. I’m saying ‘a’ conscience because I won’t claim there already is one, the West is still way too ignorant of the troubles from the less fortunate ones. Ignoring bloggers will only make matters worse, not for the world, for yourself.
December 29th, 2005 at 7:09 amShe should be grateful for the blogosphere. I never would have heard of such a mediocrity as her otherwise.
Seriously, though, the blogosphere is the only thing keeping the main stream media halfway honest. God knows, the NY Times, Wash. Post and the networks would be in partnership with the Bush Administration even more than they currently are if the blogs weren’t calling them on their duplicity.
I would go so far to say that the blogosphere is saving democracy, while people like Kathleen Parker are trying to kill it.
December 29th, 2005 at 7:51 amlets see some sense here you attacked a weak country Iraq and murdered 100,000 civilians based on a lie ……COWARDS try Iran with 70 million people mostly under 35 years of age a mountainous terrain and a well equipted army .. see my point BLOODY MURDERING COWARDS all you Bush voters should be ashamed of yourself….absolutely pathetic race
December 29th, 2005 at 8:20 amI think this is the same silly bitch who wrote a shameless apologist piece for Bush’s tangerine delivery girl, Kathrine Harris, and then argued why she would make a fine representative in the US Congress.
December 29th, 2005 at 8:31 am.
We’re the new version of the sidewalk. The only thing that has changed is where the sidewalk is, not what is the content that said of the sidewalk. And this new sidewalk is not just confined to one neighboorhood, but to all neighboorhoods across the nation and even globally if we choose to go that far.
In other words,Kathleen Parker is really against the very foundations of a democracy, which proves the point I always say about conservatives – that they are the [b]anti-revolutionaries[/b] of our growing revolutionary democracy for which we liberals represent.
December 29th, 2005 at 9:09 amDammit can’t we get them to ignore us some more so they DIE?
December 29th, 2005 at 9:31 amGood Morning K Parker
So you say the Blogosphere is killing ‘Us’, can you name an instance of say when a blogger, picked up a keyboard, and physically killed anyone? There may be such instance on record, but im a blogger not using lexus nexus, nor research tools, yet cant help but feel that person wielding the keyboard wasnt a Blogger, but perhaps just a ‘Syndicated’ Author?
Then Novak, and others, when they withold information, and when disinformation is used to foment War, Kill thousands, indeed WHOM is killing US?.
You say bloggers, Isnt not the Blogsphere the Public (im not sopeaking of think tank astroturfers, pollstuffers, or chatbots but honest to gosh PEOPLE typing on the Keyboard.
To Bolster MY CASE, I present yet More Government Disinfo;
(not that I have any likes of milosevic, the point is the Misleads)
The attack planned as a “decapitation” attack, intended to kill Milosevic
December 29, 2005
Defense & Foreign Affairs Strategic Policy November-December
Highly-placed NATO sources have confirmed the reason behind the US air strike – with three Tomahawk cruise missiles – against the Embassy of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) in Belgrade, (then) Yugoslavia, on May 7, 1999. The then-Clinton Government of the United States said at the time that the strike was **accidental**, due to **faulty maps and intelligence**, but this has been disproven by the NATO sources.
The NATO sources told Defense & Foreign Affairs that the attack was based on intelligence that then Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic was to have been in the Embassy at the time of the attack. The attack, then, was deliberately planned as a “decapitation” attack, intended to kill Milosevic.
The London Observer, on October 19, 1999, had said that the attack had been deliberate, noting: “… Politiken newspaper in Denmark and Ed Vulliamy cites senior military and intelligence sources in Europe and the US stating that the embassy was bombed after its NATO electronic intelligence (ELINT) discovered it was being used to transmit Yugoslav army communications.
“Supportive evidence is provided by three other NATO officers – a flight controller operating in Naples, an intelligence officer monitoring Yugoslav radio traffic from Macedonia and a senior headquarters officer in Brussels. **by blobber**
December 29th, 2005 at 9:34 amI don’t think she understood the book, if and when she read it. Now put her head on a stick!
December 29th, 2005 at 9:40 amComment by Cat In The Hat — December 29, 2005 @ 1:51 am
What say your name more profound than one first thinks.
December 29th, 2005 at 9:43 am#I don’t think she understood the book, if and when she read it. Now put her head on a stick!
Comment by Jack — December 29, 2005 @ 9:40 am
The Dept of Transportation, has blocked the Sale of Parker Head Dolls citing a study that showed the thickness of the Heads, and the subsequent weight increase was a threat to the safety of other Motorists should one of these ‘talking heads’ fall off during highway travel. Other Motorists became sleepy when watching the Talking Head sway back and forth, again, ana again, monotone after monotone.
An equal number of motorists felt queasy and some physically Nauseous after watching such back and forth vascillations of the talking head.
– Satire –
December 29th, 2005 at 9:49 am“Say what you will about the so-called mainstream media, but no industry agonizes more about how to improve its product, police its own members, and better serve its communities. Newspapers are filled with carpal-tunneled wretches, overworked and underpaid, who suffer near-pathological allegiance to getting it right.”
She’s no right winger. She is rather hot though. But there isn’t a card carrying member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that would ever dream of saying that MSM agonizes over “getting it right”.
December 29th, 2005 at 9:52 amFirst they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, and then you win.
-Ghandi
December 29th, 2005 at 10:00 am#42…huh? troll boy, go take this message to parker, “Frankly my dear….we bloggers don’t give a damn.”
December 29th, 2005 at 10:01 amWhat Kathleen really means is “Ignore the bloggers unless you agree with them.”
December 29th, 2005 at 10:03 amWhere’s that circular file? That’s exactly where her opinion goes.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:08 amI think IRI even proclaimed That weird as hell looking Condi Rice as ‘hot’.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:18 amin that case, please have a read of my blog right away!
December 29th, 2005 at 10:31 am#I don’t think she understood the book, if and when she read it. Now put her head on a stick!
Comment by Jack — December 29, 2005 @ 9:40 am
Fruit Growers in Mexico have however found the Parkerized head on a Stick dolls advantageous to production. Yields on Parkerized groves show that many more FRUITS thrive under the Heads Control. Parkerized ‘Heads on a Stick’ will begin selling at your local Home and Despot outlets in two models, the ‘Head on a Stick’ or the ‘Talking Head’ on a Stick. Hannitized and Colmscated Twin Head sticks will be available soon. The FlushDimbulb ‘talking head on the stick’ has failed production testing as no material has yet been found to support the rather large rotational Mass of this talking head, The Flushdimbulb Talking Head model pounded itself into the ground, due piston effect of Lower Jowls, Gophers however abandoned the area and the head will be sold to Farmers thru feed Stores as a ‘HEAD Only’ ’self-pounding’, (self-pumping, or conjugate) unit.
-Satire-
December 29th, 2005 at 10:31 amShe’s no right winger. She is rather hot though. But there isn’t a card carrying member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that would ever dream of saying that MSM agonizes over “getting it rightâ€.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 29, 2005 @ 9:52 am
So you have a blow up doll named Ms Pahkerr?
December 29th, 2005 at 10:41 amand KondieLisa? do you tie up your dolls IRI? do you let them vote? or do you just ‘POKE FUN’ at them?
The reality of the blogs is that the extremely nutty ones get marinalized – rightfully so – while well-thought-out examples (eg. ThinkProgress) are as close to the American democratic ideal as any medium in history.
Traditional ournalists who recoil from the light have reasons to be afraid of it.
December 29th, 2005 at 10:45 amShe’s no right winger. She is rather hot though. But there isn’t a card carrying member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that would ever dream of saying that MSM agonizes over “getting it rightâ€.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — December 29, 2005 @ 9:52 am
December 29th, 2005 at 10:45 amNot the “hot” part, (yuck) the rest of it…
December 29th, 2005 at 10:46 amplunger, there have been problems posting comments for a couple days. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:21 am#41 – Thanks for that. I laughed so hard that I think I hurt something.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:23 amPlunger, I conclude there might be a limit on the number of links in any one post. But back to the matter of Parker and her pearl-clutching at the lack of accountablity for bloggers, and how “real” journalists get fired for stuff like this, brought to light by Chris Vosberg in the comments at World O’ Crap.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:26 amPlunger
What point are you trying to bring us to? You’ve posted a lot of stuff about the Mossad and Israel (not just today) … maybe you’re just trying to flesh out a new angle, but your dansing a thin line between investigative “journalism” and anti-semitism.
Statements like The Palestinians, for instance, aren’t just the victims of the Israeli occupation, they are rather the victims of 3rd category Jews who decided to transform Palestine into a Jewish national bunker. are disengenuous and historical revisions of reality. Israel is a formally recognized, sovreign (democratic) state … Palestine is a region not a people (or a country). To say the Israelis “occupy” is to ignore the fact that they were invaded and “captured” that land from other nations in the ensuing battles/war (not to mention the current withdrawals and concessions by Israel). The USA’s interest in Israel’s success is very much linked to it’s democratic nature and basis.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:50 amHere’e what is written along with the title:
The N-word makes me cringe . . . especially every time I hear Kanye West say it. His spicy songs, including his current hit, “Gold Digger,†are liberally seasoned with the word “nigga,†often couched in violence and obscenity. But when I imagine the immaculate and proper Condi Rice saying it…it makes me laugh.
Here is what is written in Parker’s column:
The N-word makes me cringe . . . especially every time I hear Kanye West say it. His spicy songs, including his current hit, “Gold Digger,” are liberally seasoned with the word “nigga,” often couched in violence and obscenity. But when I imagine the immaculate and proper Condi Rice saying it, especially to a “brotha”‘ who has made a fortune playing the bad boy, it makes me laugh.
Just curious why not write the whole paragraph rather than leave out one little piece.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:06 pmMSM media?
Who outside of Orlando knows who Kathleen Parker is? On the other hand, popular blogs such as this one, Eschaton, and Kos are frequented by people from every walk of life, in every part of the world.
It is TP which is “mainstream”, not a hack writer for a minor daily newspaper.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:09 pmI guess Miss Parker thinks that Condi, who was learning to play piano and ice skate, while hundreds of thousands of people were risking and sacrificing their lives for racial equality, is a perfect example of being African-American. I guess she’s still pissed at Kanye for eviserating Bush live on TV.
God, if only she was in Harlem right now.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:17 pmWho outside of Orlando knows who Kathleen Parker is?
She’s widely syndicated. Unfortunately.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:22 pmOh … ok.
If there’s no OBL, is there an Al Qaeda? Are you saying that the Mossad has influenced world opinion on Arabs and that terorist attacks are perpetrated by Mossad agents who then blame Arabs … so that we (the USA) will then attack Arabs. Is the US complicit in this, or just radical Israelis?
Interesting theory … I’m sure Israel has an interest in removing radical Arabs from their midst, but if you say OBL doesn’t exist then you’re going to have to explain other attacks (WTC I, USS Cole, Embassy, etc.) that are attributed to OBL … I guess you’re not saying this is the Bush Administration since Al Qaeda predates Bush.
The Mossad is a highly competent version of our own CIA … why all the Arabs on the planes on 9/11 if it was Israelis … why all the Arab arrests since (those who actively engaged in terrorist plots)? Why would Israel pull out of Gaza?
There seem to be far more questions than answers if one is to entertain your theory.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:24 pmGiacamo, Israel is at best a democracy, the same way apartheid South Africa was a democracy or pre-Civil war US (or even pre-civil rights US) was a democracy.
Firstly, what are the borders of the State of Israel? The pre-1967 borders or the ‘facts on the ground’ of 1967, plus Golan and the West Bank? If the latter, then you have several million persons, inside ‘Greater Israel’ who are being denied basic human and civil rights: namely the Palestinians. Greater Israel is not a democracy – QED.
Slightly harder to argue is if Israel is simply the 1967 borders (which are the 1948 cease-fire line, I think – another example of how borders arise from seemingly random events), then you need to examine Israel closer. There is this issue where Israeli Arabs have a political party banned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_League & here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2616307.stm
And in USA Today (buried on Christmas Day) we have this: http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-12-25-jerusalemvoting_x.htm
So even within the borders of pre-1967 Israel, Israel suppresses the Israeli-Arabs politically. So arguably Israel itself is not a democracy, but an apartheid democracy.
“Palestine is a region not a people (or a country)” would you care to further justify your broad dismissal of the human rights of millions of people, simply because they have been muderously oppressed by one empire after another for 2000 years? Let me try this angle:
“The American Colonies are a region, not a people (or a country)” said King Giacomo the Third.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:35 pmI guess Miss Parker thinks that Condi, who was learning to play piano and ice skate, while hundreds of thousands of people were risking and sacrificing their lives for racial equality, is a perfect example of being African-American.
So … because she’s from an afluent family, she hasn’t experienced any racial inequality. And because she’s wealthy, this translates to you as a lack of “equality fighting” credentials. If racism exists, then it exists in all wealth levels (some would postulate that racism is far more insidious at “upper class” levels).
Your statement sounds like you think Condi isn’t “black” because to be “black” is to be poor (you infer as much with your “ice skate or play piano” comments … both activities enjoyed by those with the means to provide them).
Condi is a “perfect example” of an African-American. A black woman who is the most prominent black female in our nation’s history … as good an example as any “population” could ask for. Sorry that she isn’t poor enough to fit YOUR model of those that are victims of racism … your statement is one of the most retarded comments I’ve ever heard, let alone read.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:39 pmWould you care to further justify your broad dismissal of the human rights of millions of people, simply because they have been muderously oppressed by one empire after another for 2000 years
I’m not dismissing the rights of Palestinians … Israel is a nation … Palestine is not. People equate the two. To say Israel is occupying is to negate the historical relevance of their move into that region. I fully support their withdrawal from Gaza and think the Palestinians should have a nation in that region.
The problem is the Arab call for Israel to be “wiped from the map”. A call echoed by many Arab states. Israel is trying to protect themselves.
The American Colonies are a region, not a people (or a country
The colonies were a people though (not a country) that had been planted by a sovreign nation and then squeezed of any and all representation and privileges due to every other citizen that lived on the mainland. The Isralis were given that region by the UN … they took over other regions when they were attacked … not the same thing. The Palestinians have hurt their own cause by trying to 1) destroy Israel instead of trying to live in peace 2) terrorize Israel into submission.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:48 pmActually, I think the Germans had a name for Palestine and the Palestinians: ‘lebensraum’ and ‘untermensch’.
December 29th, 2005 at 12:49 pmCouple of rebuttals: putting Gaza aside (which historical Israel knew as Philistine and has no historical claim anyway), what about the millions of non-Jews in the West Bank? Do nations have more rights than people? Are the West Bank Palestinians part of Israel or not? If so, then how do you state that Israel is democratic, why then do the Palestinians not participate in Israel democracy? You can’t make blanket statements about nationhood without talkikng about boundaries, national demographics and polictical frameworks.
1967 – Israel started the Six-day War and then held on to the Occupied Territories in violation of UN resolution 242 by refusing to negotiate with Eqypt subsequently http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_un_242.php (note I have posted a link to an objective assessment of 242, not a pro-Arab one).
I agree with you that the Iranian position on Israel is outrageous, but I beleive it is not supported by the moderate Arab position. Unfortunately, the moderates in the ME are in retreat thanks mostly to the US disingenuous position on Israel-Palestine and George Bush’s ‘Crusade’ on ‘Terra’.
And should two wrongs (the Holocaust and the Palestinian oppression) be pursued to try and make a right?
December 29th, 2005 at 1:03 pmOh come off it, did you get David McCulloch books for Christmas? “The colonies were a people though (not a country) that had been planted by a sovreign nation and then squeezed of any and all representation and privileges due to every other citizen that lived on the mainland.” The Revolution was stirred up more by a rebellion against rampant Corporatism by the English – its causes were economic self-interest and not about plurality. If it were to start today, we’d all be smashing the windows of Walmart dressed in ballcaps and blue jeans.
December 29th, 2005 at 1:13 pmFunny how Gaza is starting to resemble the Warsaw Ghetto, these days?
December 29th, 2005 at 1:14 pmWell, Giaco, would love to stay here all day and watch you dodge the question about what and where Israel’s borders are and what makes a democracy, but I have stuff I need to do and a road trip to take and besides we’re off track here – still I think we did a decent job of proving why blogs are worth reading. Happy New Year.
December 29th, 2005 at 1:24 pmCan Agitprop get on her enemies list?
December 29th, 2005 at 1:33 pmWe’re having no luck getting on O’Reillys …
Gia you are masterfully naive. Must be nice.
December 29th, 2005 at 2:59 pmNOTE: Zionist leaders in the foreign state of Israel,
in other words, can and do determine U.S. Foreign Policy.Comment by plunger
Actually, we determine their foreign policy. That’s why there is still such a thing as a Palestinian.
Sharansky’s motive is obviously not democracy for the Arab people.
So? Neither is yours. What’s your point?
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Stumbles?
Selling “Fluff pieces”?
Selling “Fake pieces”?
Selling Bush Feces…
December 29th, 2005 at 3:39 pmWhen a mainstream journalist stumbles
If no one hears, does it really happen? How about when they just take dictation? What about when they outright lie? Hypocritical stooge. Do as I say, but don’t you dare fact check my work.
December 29th, 2005 at 3:54 pm“Control of the United States Government has been lost. Our destiny is presently in the hands of a foreign power (Israel)” – Plugger
****Anti-semites from all over the board have been attributing 9/11 to “dark and sinister” Jewish/Zionist forces. Let’s suppose for a nano-second your premise has a scintilla of truth – would you rather be in the hands of Israel or the bloodthirsty hands of Al Qaeda? I guess it all depends which side of the sword you’re on.
But you remind me of another famous “party-line”:
December 29th, 2005 at 4:13 pm“Control of the German economy has been lost – we are now at the mercy of filthy Jewish bankers and manufacturers.”
Will you have your sheet bleached and pressed for the big cross-burning??
A black woman who is the most prominent black female in our nation’s history
Rosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, Zora Neale Hurston, and countless others to choose from, and you make that claim? I don’t consider you to be a troll, but that statement is dubious, at best, and IMO appear to have a tinge of partisanship to it.
December 29th, 2005 at 4:26 pmDavid – You forgot Oprah and Michael Jackson.
December 29th, 2005 at 4:35 pmKathleen Parker is a regular contributor to one of my daily papers. She writes nothing but drivel and propaganda. Her opinions are baseless. I skim read her columns now, I don’t even waste my time.
December 29th, 2005 at 4:58 pmSo, the only people that should allowed to say the word “nigga” are people, who according to Kathleen Parker’s mistaken idea, are “immaculate and proper.”
Hilariously, I have to state that Condi Rice qualifies for neither! The same goes for Kathleen Poser Parker!
December 29th, 2005 at 5:34 pm“Kathleen Parker is a regular contributor to one of my daily papers. She writes nothing but drivel and propaganda. Her opinions are baseless. I skim read her columns now, I don’t even waste my time.”
Comment by Marie — December 29, 2005 @ 4:58 pm
*****Well, Marie, your coment explains ALOT!! I pore over every word of my ideological opposite, Paul Krugman and the self-impressed Maureen Dowd. (Ever notice how she has tremendous difficulty moving her stiff upper lip – too much Botox maybe??) Knowing the opposition is “interesting” AND alot of fun! Theeeen, I line my vultures’ cage with their insight and wit.
December 29th, 2005 at 5:52 pmKathleen Parker is trite at best and offers not one orignal thought, her columns are retreds of what has already been covered on Fox. The sad part is she is very aware of her limitations. The space for her coulm could be better used for advertisment.
December 29th, 2005 at 7:55 pmRosa Parks, Harriet Tubman, Zora Neale Hurston, and countless others to choose from, and you make that claim? I don’t consider you to be a troll, but that statement is dubious, at best, and IMO appear to have a tinge of partisanship to it.
Of course there are others that have made their mark … in my haste to type a quick post, I omitted the word “political” from the sentence. She has risen to the highest level of political power of any black woman in our nation’s history (Easily the most influential cabinent position in the world’s lone super power and, arguably, one of the most successful nations in world history). I think a case can be made for my original sentence as is, but I did intend to qualify which arena.
December 29th, 2005 at 8:54 pmIf MA reads K. Parker for enlightenment of her own perspective she has chosen an extremely poor example. When I read the politically polar opposite, I prefer to read someone that might help me hone my own thoughts. There are many readable, conservative columnists, with whom I disagree of course, but they are worth reading. K. Parker offers no new perspective, no new ideas, nothing but retreads of old lines she must have picked up from Limbaugh.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:44 pmThe republicans have taken over television and only WHAT THEY WANT is usually aired. The republicans have taken over mostly all NEWSPAPERS and only what they want is published. The only true rebuttal to the bush administration is found on the internet in blogs. Why do you think people like this are so upset about blogs. THEY TELL THE TRUTH AND INFORM THE PUBLIC OF INFORMATION SUPRESSED BY THE REPUBLICAN PRESS AND MEDIA.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:53 pmSTEP 1: Progressives wildly dominate the blogosphere, overwhelming the hillbilly blogs in hits and influence many times over.
December 29th, 2005 at 11:54 pmSTEP 2: The hillbilly crowd goes bonkers over this. Can’t let this stand.
STEP 3: In the best hillbilly fashion, Swiftboat ‘em! If hillbillies can’t beat progressives on the Net — and they never will since Rush’s Dittoheads comprehend personal computers about as much as they understand nuclear reactors — then the obvious next step is to smear. “We can’t silence them, but for civilization’s sake…we can and should ignore them.”
STEP 4: After being roundly criticized, Parker will pull a Pat Robertson and claim she never said any such things.
#95 Margie
December 30th, 2005 at 12:01 amThat’s exactly why there is movement afoot to monitor, censor, limit or otherwise restrict the blogs. The have gained control of all the media, including the FCC that monitors some of them, and only the blogs are out there to provide the other side of the issues.
#84 – The first thing wrong with this story is where is says, “Fox Reports”… You cannot believe anything Fox News Network puts out as being non biased or even truthful.
I do not doubt the Israelis were in some way involved, but the truth lies at the steps of the Whitehouse. This administration has its hands all over 9/11, from the lack of response to the failure to preserve a crime scene.
This is the reality that one must be willing to except… that our own government was behind this tragedy.
December 30th, 2005 at 1:14 amIs it just me, or, can you not see the little logical error this women is performing here? How can you ignore something and then write about it? I say we should thank her for bringing atention to us humble bloguers.
December 30th, 2005 at 7:27 amAn elder Cherokee Native American was teaching his grandchildren about life. He said to them, “A fight is going on inside me…It is a terrible fight, and it is between two wolves. One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, pride and superiority. The other wolf stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. This same fight is going on inside of you and every other person too.â€
They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?†The old Cherokee simply replied…â€The one I feed.â€
Thanxx Plunger
December 30th, 2005 at 10:28 am_____________________
Perhaps the current Wolfs in charge are self serving, allowing the public to be the feast. These, The crafty, sneaky, planning, Ceo, Politico, Owner Wolfs say “It is far easier to sit, enjoy festivities, fatten thy Buttocks whilst the others fight, when they tire take thy food”
That’s exactly why there is movement afoot to monitor, censor, limit or otherwise restrict the blogs. The have gained control of all the media, including the FCC that monitors some of them, and only the blogs are out there to provide the other side of the issues.
Comment by Marie — December 30, 2005 @ 12:01 am
Correct. there are a Few twists. The Plame case, as mentioned before is quite important to bloggers freedom of speech or type as the case references other cases (not a lawyer)
December 30th, 2005 at 10:38 amAnother more recent Twist, that this old dog didnt see coming, was from a 2005 threat report From Mueller III. SO the Battle for Bloggers is two sided, as they also act as information sources as well, Public Whistleblowers if you will. So you see How Bloggers coild upset the Neo-Con ‘Reality-Machine’ as well.
Once again the people are in the Middle.
What to do?
can the people create their own reality, based on the real reality?
Start an Echo?
Sapere Aude!
Why is Parker scared of us? She sounds terrified.
The whole integrity bit … too funny!
December 30th, 2005 at 11:02 amMind if I take this in the same spirit Clinton took Gingrich telling him they were gonna ride him out of town on a rail?
December 30th, 2005 at 12:56 pmMarie – too bad you haven’t been able to hone your arguments more cogently – you might want to re-start your learning process with von Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom” – may I recommend the chapter entitled “The End of Truth”?
Happy New Year!!
December 30th, 2005 at 1:56 pm#Marie – too bad you haven’t been able to hone your arguments more cogently – you might want to re-start your learning process with von Hayek’s “Road to Serfdom†– may I recommend the chapter entitled “The End of Truthâ€?
Happy New Year!!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 30, 2005 @ 1:56 pm
I think perhaps you need to unlearn some things Aphrodite, that are manifestly wrong. You see yourself as an intellectual, correct? Tell us, the Herd O’great Demi God of Zeusdom, what is an Intellectual? How man Books does it take Aphrodite to speak as one dimensionally as yourself? One Book, a Hundred books? A college course of 50 drachmas? A professor whom Speaks much about the past, yet is confused by the present?
December 30th, 2005 at 3:41 pmthose that spend their time hiding from the public, in fear of themselves mostly, are they Intellectual? Movie Stars talk a great deal about things, if one makes a Movie are they Intellectual? I think perhaps you speak of the Size of your checking Account Aphrodite, and not of Human Quality.
Isnt the Roman thing top Improve ones self? Should you not them be a Warrior, to go and fight War, first Hand, like the Senators of Yore?
#109 – Dear Mr. Ricardo – I do not profess to be an intellectual – I am a student of life – and from what I’ve seen of the envy and irresponsibility fostered by those with your mindset, YOU might want to study a bit more. “Unlearn” – hhmmmmm… is that the left’s “new speak” term for “re-education”.
You seem to be the sort of character who adores listening to himself – and with your “ability” to ‘wax so eloquently’ – is it any wonder????
December 30th, 2005 at 4:20 pmYou seem to be the sort of character who adores listening to himself – and with your “ability†to ‘wax so eloquently’ – is it any wonder????
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 30, 2005 @ 4:20 pm
tis funny that you speak of one whom adores listening to ones self, can you admit, that you, do not speak for the people nor do I, but that my opinion more closely matches the universal mindset?
You speak of waxing words, nay, wipe on wipe off, you and your ilk wish to spin old into new,I wish to UN-wax your turd polishing.
December 31st, 2005 at 9:29 pmIndeed ask yourself Aphrodite how many actions are there?
is not a Word a Symbol Aphrodite o name dropper of greelk intellect?
December 31st, 2005 at 9:32 pmWhat, I ask you, and you alone, does Socrates refer to when he says of the Letter ‘T’? Riddle me this o’wise name dropper.
There seem to be far more questions than answers if one is to entertain your theory.
Comment by Giacomo — December 29, 2005 @ 12:24 pm
most all stories come thru the api, that is those whom watch or listen to MSM. If you however read the congress reports and debates transcripts paints a far different picture. It has gotten to the point that spin has negated itself, nullified.
December 31st, 2005 at 9:38 pm#111 – “you admit, that you, do not speak for the people nor do I, but that my opinion more closely matches the universal mindset?” Comment by BoB
***** Once upon a time, Boob, the “universal mindset” was the ringing endorsement of slavery. Once upon a time, drawing and quartering were the norms in civilized Europe. Once upon a time, sending the Japanese to internment camps was legal AND permissible. So you’ll excuse me if I don’t give a $h*t about the “Universal Mindset” you refer to. Can you spell “conformist”, lemming?
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February 17th, 2006 at 9:24 pmWow, that seems questionalbe that Parker would make such a point using the Secretary of State as an example, although her intent was probably to mean no harm
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