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]]> By: play_jurist http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/29/moussaoui-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-440811 play_jurist Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:49:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=3021#comment-440811 To get FISA authorization they would only have needed the AG to sign off. Since Moussaoui was not a US person, they would not have needed a FISC order. That is, searching Moussaoui's computer would have been covered under the part of the statute that permits warrantless searches. The only requirement would have been for AG Ashcroft to certify that MS was believed to be an agent of a foreign power. Am I right? The question was raised <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/6/215236/1420" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> in a comment on my post and has me a little confused because everyone is talking like they would have needed a FISC order. But ZM is not a US person. Indeed, the discussion about issuing the authorization centered around the issue of ZM's status as an agent of a foreign power, which was required for AG authorization in the part of the statute that discusses authorization of warrantless searches. I really don't get it. If the requirement was only AG sign off then you've pretty much already got no judicial oversight. They just needed Ashcroft to say that he believes MS to be an agent of foreign power. The FISA statute was too strict even in this regard?!? Also, there are lots of comments that don't pertain to the article. I tried to skim to see if this point had been discussed already but there are loads of posts. Maybe Thinkprogress needs a general discussion forum or open threads. Just a suggestion. To get FISA authorization they would only have needed the AG to sign off. Since Moussaoui was not a US person, they would not have needed a FISC order. That is, searching Moussaoui’s computer would have been covered under the part of the statute that permits warrantless searches. The only requirement would have been for AG Ashcroft to certify that MS was believed to be an agent of a foreign power.

Am I right? The question was raised HERE in a comment on my post and has me a little confused because everyone is talking like they would have needed a FISC order. But ZM is not a US person. Indeed, the discussion about issuing the authorization centered around the issue of ZM’s status as an agent of a foreign power, which was required for AG authorization in the part of the statute that discusses authorization of warrantless searches.

I really don’t get it. If the requirement was only AG sign off then you’ve pretty much already got no judicial oversight. They just needed Ashcroft to say that he believes MS to be an agent of foreign power. The FISA statute was too strict even in this regard?!?

Also, there are lots of comments that don’t pertain to the article. I tried to skim to see if this point had been discussed already but there are loads of posts. Maybe Thinkprogress needs a general discussion forum or open threads. Just a suggestion.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/29/moussaoui-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-368815 unbelievable Wed, 04 Jan 2006 02:23:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=3021#comment-368815 <em>Unbelievable - I gave you too much credit - perhaps you’re reading the Worker’s World talking points (or relying heavily on the philisophical works of Bertrand Russell, Brian Becker, Ramsey Clark…or my favourite…the late, Sam Marcy) - but it doesn’t change the fact - originality isn’t your strong suit. You may want to develope an argument minus the ad hominem (and need I say, superficial) attacks. Antics like these really diminish yourself. Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 3, 2006 @ 11:00 am </em> No, no no... I just typed what came to mind. I don't give you enough thought or validity to do any research. And unlike you neocons, we are not brainwashed. We think for ourselves. Know you don't understand that, but it's a fact - accept it - even with the blind faith you invest in all the unprovable attachments in your life. Diminish? Hardly. This is, after all, anonymous. I'm not actually a recognizable person. What would I be diminishing? My avatar? So what? And in case you didn't catch on yet, it's a liberal blog. Just bashing a neocon would add to my credibility alone in here. Unbelievable – I gave you too much credit – perhaps you’re reading the Worker’s World talking points (or relying heavily on the philisophical works of Bertrand Russell, Brian Becker, Ramsey Clark…or my favourite…the late, Sam Marcy) – but it doesn’t change the fact – originality isn’t your strong suit. You may want to develope an argument minus the ad hominem (and need I say, superficial) attacks. Antics like these really diminish yourself.

Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 3, 2006 @ 11:00 am

No, no no… I just typed what came to mind. I don’t give you enough thought or validity to do any research. And unlike you neocons, we are not brainwashed. We think for ourselves. Know you don’t understand that, but it’s a fact – accept it – even with the blind faith you invest in all the unprovable attachments in your life.

Diminish? Hardly. This is, after all, anonymous. I’m not actually a recognizable person. What would I be diminishing? My avatar? So what? And in case you didn’t catch on yet, it’s a liberal blog. Just bashing a neocon would add to my credibility alone in here.

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/29/moussaoui-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-367948 mighty aphrodite Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:00:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=3021#comment-367948 Unbelievable - I gave you too much credit - perhaps you're reading the Worker's World talking points (or relying heavily on the philisophical works of Bertrand Russell, Brian Becker, Ramsey Clark...or my favourite...the late, Sam Marcy) - but it doesn't change the fact - originality isn't your strong suit. You may want to develope an argument minus the ad hominem (and need I say, superficial) attacks. Antics like these really diminish yourself. Unbelievable – I gave you too much credit – perhaps you’re reading the Worker’s World talking points (or relying heavily on the philisophical works of Bertrand Russell, Brian Becker, Ramsey Clark…or my favourite…the late, Sam Marcy) – but it doesn’t change the fact – originality isn’t your strong suit. You may want to develope an argument minus the ad hominem (and need I say, superficial) attacks. Antics like these really diminish yourself.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/29/moussaoui-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-367632 unbelievable Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:30:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=3021#comment-367632 <em>Dear UNBELIEVBLE - You have such a nasty dispoition today - could it be a NASTY hangover!!!! Your toilet mouth reminds me of your comrades, RyANNe and Susan, the erstwhile capitalist. Good night!! Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 2, 2006 @ 8:39 pm </em> Nasty? Now I know why you neocons don't have any shows on Comedy Central... Wasn't nasty - was humor, but as usual, you have no sense of one. Besides, aren't you the pot calling the kettle black? I've heard far worse from your potty mouth every time you open it. It's like standing next to an open sewer with you around. So, we see that you do not like getting a dose of your own medicine... hmmm.... will remember that. You know, since I can use my brain (and not as a foot rest or for men opening their beer bottles like you use yours). <em> P.SSSS. - Thinking for yourself??? You read the Dem Party notes fairly well, but I hate to break this to you - YOU’RE NOT VERY ORIGINAL. Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 2, 2006 @ 8:42 pm </em> Wrong, yet again. I'm not a Democrat. And when you type in caps, you are SHOUTING... so who does that make the angry bitter one here, hmmm (hint - you). Better than being incoherent, ignorant and ugly like you. And I hate to break it to you, you're just jealous. Dear UNBELIEVBLE – You have such a nasty dispoition today – could it be a NASTY hangover!!!! Your toilet mouth reminds me of your comrades, RyANNe and Susan, the erstwhile capitalist. Good night!!

Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 2, 2006 @ 8:39 pm

Nasty? Now I know why you neocons don’t have any shows on Comedy Central… Wasn’t nasty – was humor, but as usual, you have no sense of one.

Besides, aren’t you the pot calling the kettle black? I’ve heard far worse from your potty mouth every time you open it. It’s like standing next to an open sewer with you around.

So, we see that you do not like getting a dose of your own medicine… hmmm…. will remember that. You know, since I can use my brain (and not as a foot rest or for men opening their beer bottles like you use yours).


P.SSSS. – Thinking for yourself??? You read the Dem Party notes fairly well, but I hate to break this to you – YOU’RE NOT VERY ORIGINAL.

Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 2, 2006 @ 8:42 pm

Wrong, yet again. I’m not a Democrat. And when you type in caps, you are SHOUTING… so who does that make the angry bitter one here, hmmm (hint – you).

Better than being incoherent, ignorant and ugly like you. And I hate to break it to you, you’re just jealous.

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/29/moussaoui-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-366656 mighty aphrodite Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:42:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=3021#comment-366656 P.SSSS. - Thinking for yourself??? You read the Dem Party notes fairly well, but I hate to break this to you - YOU'RE NOT VERY ORIGINAL. P.SSSS. – Thinking for yourself??? You read the Dem Party notes fairly well, but I hate to break this to you – YOU’RE NOT VERY ORIGINAL.

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/29/moussaoui-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-366653 mighty aphrodite Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:39:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=3021#comment-366653 Dear UNBELIEVBLE - You have such a nasty dispoition today - could it be a NASTY hangover!!!! Your toilet mouth reminds me of your comrades, RyANNe and Susan, the erstwhile capitalist. Good night!! Dear UNBELIEVBLE – You have such a nasty dispoition today – could it be a NASTY hangover!!!! Your toilet mouth reminds me of your comrades, RyANNe and Susan, the erstwhile capitalist. Good night!!

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/29/moussaoui-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-366615 unbelievable Tue, 03 Jan 2006 00:44:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=3021#comment-366615 <strong>Mighty Tyrant:</strong> That Falwell gnome is mounding the President’s buttress again! <strong>Translation: </strong> That neocon troll is humping the President’s leg again! Mighty Tyrant: That Falwell gnome is mounding the President’s buttress again!

Translation: That neocon troll is humping the President’s leg again!

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/29/moussaoui-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-366609 unbelievable Tue, 03 Jan 2006 00:36:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=3021#comment-366609 <em>My Dear unbeliever - How sweet of you to take up for your demure little friend, RyANNe. However, dear, your first sentence is so “unbelievably” stupid that I am convinced you need a “large word” translator to assist you in reading. Reading your sophomoric tripe, I have come to a sad conclusion - many progs are unteachable. Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 2, 2006 @ 5:36 pm </em> Was dumbing it down for you - you Ann Coulter Wannabe (you do know that the only men who want sleep with her are chubby Napoleonic bedwetters and Bill O'Reilly - gag!) You mean unbrainwashable. Happens when you start thinking for yourself. Somthing you'll obviously never understand. Why don't you go play "Word Thesaurus" (you know, where you randomly replace words in a sentance with words you don't understand to sound intelligent but actually pick the wrong ones and sound retarded?) with some of your neocon troll-mates now. My Dear unbeliever – How sweet of you to take up for your demure little friend, RyANNe. However, dear, your first sentence is so “unbelievably” stupid that I am convinced you need a “large word” translator to assist you in reading. Reading your sophomoric tripe, I have come to a sad conclusion – many progs are unteachable.

Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 2, 2006 @ 5:36 pm

Was dumbing it down for you – you Ann Coulter Wannabe (you do know that the only men who want sleep with her are chubby Napoleonic bedwetters and Bill O’Reilly – gag!)

You mean unbrainwashable. Happens when you start thinking for yourself. Somthing you’ll obviously never understand.

Why don’t you go play “Word Thesaurus” (you know, where you randomly replace words in a sentance with words you don’t understand to sound intelligent but actually pick the wrong ones and sound retarded?) with some of your neocon troll-mates now.

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/29/moussaoui-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-366460 mighty aphrodite Mon, 02 Jan 2006 22:36:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=3021#comment-366460 My Dear unbeliever - How sweet of you to take up for your demure little friend, RyANNe. However, dear, your first sentence is so "unbelievably" stupid that I am convinced you need a "large word" translator to assist you in reading. Reading your sophomoric tripe, I have come to a sad conclusion - many progs are unteachable. My Dear unbeliever – How sweet of you to take up for your demure little friend, RyANNe. However, dear, your first sentence is so “unbelievably” stupid that I am convinced you need a “large word” translator to assist you in reading. Reading your sophomoric tripe, I have come to a sad conclusion – many progs are unteachable.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/29/moussaoui-myth/comment-page-4/#comment-365438 unbelievable Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:06:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/?p=3021#comment-365438 <em>RyANNe - How clever of you to note the specialties in the engineering field - in your effort to argue with me about EVERYTHING Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 2, 2006 @ 12:58 pm </em> In order for someone to argue with you about EVERYTHING, you'd first have to think you knew EVERYTHING... and then be wrong about it all. Yeah, that's about right. RyANNe – How clever of you to note the specialties in the engineering field – in your effort to argue with me about EVERYTHING

Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 2, 2006 @ 12:58 pm

In order for someone to argue with you about EVERYTHING, you’d first have to think you knew EVERYTHING… and then be wrong about it all. Yeah, that’s about right.

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