Another conservative opposed
By on Jan 1st, 2006 at 5:16 pm
Another conservative opposed
to Bush’s domestic spying program: New York Times columnist William Safire.
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Er, you mean Safire, not Kristol.
January 1st, 2006 at 5:23 pmThanks djangone, I thought I was cracking up when reading the article.
I didn’t think Kristol would cut and run just yet.
January 1st, 2006 at 5:25 pmYep, it’s Safire. Thanks.
January 1st, 2006 at 5:29 pmYou’ve got Kristol, you mean Safire…
January 1st, 2006 at 5:33 pmThe fact is that the terrorist monitoring is 100% legal. I look forward to finding out which liberal leaked confidential information about the terrorist monitoring program.
January 1st, 2006 at 5:35 pmAnd Jeebus, you folks are having issues with the website server… Have you ever gone to a puter outside and checked what it’s like accessing the site from a puter running MSIE and even Firefox? Or are you getting DOS attacks?
January 1st, 2006 at 5:36 pmRuppert and the FReepers now….
The fact is that the terrorist monitoring is 100% legal. I look forward to finding out which liberal leaked confidential information about the terrorist monitoring program.
Comment by Gary Ruppert —
Ruppert and the FReepers in 1998… “not just some angry kooks”:
EO 13083 — Hitler’s ID
By Forest Glen Durland
Executive Order 13083 became law June 13 or 14. It became law automatically while Congress sat on its fat salary and perks. Congress sat around while Clinton quietly attempted to become as powerful as Hitler was. Your own good sense can decide if Clinton can be trusted with that power.
An accumulation of power since FDR, which placed us under continual NES (National Emergency Status), gives our President power our Founding Fathers sought diligently to suppress.
The EO (Executive Order) 13083 starts out nicely enough, rephrasing old hat Constitutional ideals. But in Section 3 the ax falls. The exceptions, “if’s” and “unless’s” open almost limitless doors for the president, and close them for the American people out here in the States. It continues with a process that thoroughly trashes our Constitution and its inherent Bill of Rights.
Readers are still having trouble with my summary. Many just cannot believe that any President would do such mean things to us. Well, folks, I like to be a nice guy, too, but living 70 years has opened my eyes. I remember Hitler. I remember all those senseless wars in Asia. I can see and I know what the PresidentS Clinton are up to. And in about three years, if you don’t do something, you may get you eyes opened very wide, but by then it will probably be too late.
Executive Order 13083 gives federal regulatory agencies authority OVER State and local governments. In a nutshell that gives Clinton complete control. His goal is that of the international banking families — to own the world.
They already own OUR monetary system, the Federal Reserve System, lock, stock and barrel. That’s right. “Our” Fed is owned by about 13 banking families, mostly from Europe.
Let’s see what Clinton is already doing. For starters, it has become known that most U.S. businesses are already Y2K compliant. They found it easy to fix their systems and are ready for the new Century. But, come to find out, OUR government does NOT want their computers fixed. They are most probably planning on the Y2K confusion as an excuse to initiate martial law. That’s right — martial law– right here in America in times of peace.
A senator is documented as talking about it. So there is Hitler 1. Hitler 2 is in the form of ICBMs. Those are the missiles that shoot across the ocean. China always liked fireworks, so OUR President Clinton fixed them up with some — 18 to be exact. Nice guy, Slick Willie. To show their appreciation, 13 of them are pointed back at us. Thanks a lot, you guys over there. Frankly, that makes Clinton a traitor if there ever was one. There is Hitler 2.
So, while Clinton is giving America’s weapons away, he is also decreasing our military force. And under cover, he is designing weapons and means to control civilians.
There are over 100 prison camps here in America already. Clinton is trying his best to give the UN final authority over our Armed Forces, plus a court over our top courts. There is Hitler 3, 4 and 5.
There is more — much more.
So, you see, folks, all this means, to be practical and honest, that we must read Executive Order 13083 through the eyes of a traitor with questionable morals, married to woman no better than he is, running this country from the back room of the White House. That includes completely controlling the mainstream media.
Now, what do you think of the Executive Order 13083 entitled Federalism? We are in for a heap of trouble, folks. The way I see it, if we don’t make some marks on Congress this summer, we won’t even have an open election in November, at which time we MUST replace about half of Congress.
To support us people out here on the ground, candidates must SIGN a contract with us that states that they will:
1. Vote with us people in mind, NOT the bank owners.
2. Force Congress to create needed money, but no more, and cease borrowing.
3. Tell us people the whole truth from an honest viewpoint.
4. Penalty must net loss of office and years in prison. We MUST put teeth in it.
If they won’t sign, they do not want to be elected.
These are not the words of some angry kook. This stuff is documented. This is a grandfather desperately trying to save this country for his kids. I do hope you will agree, before we lose it all.
Forest Glen Durland
Please direct email to EOHitler@uhuh.com
Copyright 1998 by Forest Glen Durland. Permission granted to Beaver Cole and The American Observer to publish. This article may not be altered. It may be copied intact for reasonable use.
January 1st, 2006 at 5:46 pmThe fact is that the terrorist monitoring is 100% legal. I look forward to finding out which liberal leaked confidential information about the terrorist monitoring program.
Comment by Gary Ruppert
So it’s “terrorist monitoring”?
Gee, I thought the scandal was his DOMESTIC SPYING PROGRAM!
What spin. Too bad that sh** don’t fly anymore.
January 1st, 2006 at 5:47 pmLink for above:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/hitlerid.html
Forest Glen Durland wants to warn you about Flouride in the water, too. That’s a commie plot, don’t you know…
I’m a little confused about something though… if 9/11 changed everything, then Clinton was or wasn’t remiss in his efforts to combat terrorism?
Who will rid us of these meddlesome angry kooks?
January 1st, 2006 at 5:52 pmA little googling debunks these spurious claims we so often hear from wingnuts about Clinton and technology exports to the Chinese. Jeezus, these people are batshit insane. Some of them are in our government.
Let’s see what Clinton is already doing. For starters, it has become known that most U.S. businesses are already Y2K compliant. They found it easy to fix their systems and are ready for the new Century. But, come to find out, OUR government does NOT want their computers fixed. They are most probably planning on the Y2K confusion as an excuse to initiate martial law. That’s right — martial law– right here in America in times of peace.
A senator is documented as talking about it. So there is Hitler 1. Hitler 2 is in the form of ICBMs. Those are the missiles that shoot across the ocean. China always liked fireworks, so OUR President Clinton fixed them up with some — 18 to be exact. Nice guy, Slick Willie. To show their appreciation, 13 of them are pointed back at us. Thanks a lot, you guys over there. Frankly, that makes Clinton a traitor if there ever was one. There is Hitler 2.
So, while Clinton is giving America’s weapons away, he is also decreasing our military force. And under cover, he is designing weapons and means to control civilians.
There are over 100 prison camps here in America already. Clinton is trying his best to give the UN final authority over our Armed Forces, plus a court over our top courts. There is Hitler 3, 4 and 5.
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/China/
http://www.nti.org/db/china/sec4.htm
By 2015, Beijing could have “about two dozen shorter range DF-31 and DF-4 ICBMs that could reach parts of the United States,†according to the NIE, although the DF-4’s 5,500-kilometer range would only allow it to target remote parts of Alaska. At present, China deploys approximately 20 single-warhead DF-5A ICBMs, which have a range of 13,000 kilometers and are the only Chinese missiles currently capable of reaching the United States.
January 1st, 2006 at 6:13 pmtrolls: Double time pay on sundays????? Inquiring minds want to know.
January 1st, 2006 at 6:33 pmGary Ruppert says that the monitoring of terrorists is 100% legal.
Lets say I agree (which I don’t), you morons (neocons) still can’t catch Osama Bin Laden.
Legal or not, the neocons are failures.
They let the criminal regime use any and all methods to capture other criminals, offer a 50 million dollar bounty on Bin Ladens head and still they fail.
Losers.
January 1st, 2006 at 6:36 pmThe fact is that Bin Laden is a very elusive figure, and unfortunately, our best shots at capturing him were blown by Bill Clinton.
You provide the spin.
The program monitors terrorists and prevents terrorism.
Domestic spying is just a negative nickname for terrorist monitoring.
Spying occurs en mass, while terrorist monitoring is very refined and swift, because it has to prevent terrorism.
January 1st, 2006 at 6:43 pmLater that day, Gary Ruppert volunteers to have himself measured for a jackboot-on-the-neck.
January 1st, 2006 at 6:50 pmGet a life already Gary Ruppert. Bin laden was cornered in Afghanistan and Bubble boy let him go to go steal oil. Bubble boy also admits he could care less where Bin Laden is.
There’s a 50 million dollar bounty on Bin Ladens head. If anyone in this country knows where he is they would turn him in and collect payment.
With the exception of the religious right of course, they will protect him with the same intesity the freaks who believe they are getting 72 virgins upon death do.
You’re a nazi and a crazy christian Gary, as is your Brutal Dictator.
January 1st, 2006 at 6:52 pmI guess the biggest problem is that many Americans don’t want to believe their president is doing things that so blatantly undermine our freedoms. Sadly Bush seems to be centralizing power at the expense of the rule of law. He has to be called to account for his crimes.
January 1st, 2006 at 7:06 pmBoy, Gary #13 but you sure do live in a niave, simple little world and a fellow republican. I would call you a conservative, but a real conservative would be outraged that the government has its ear in on the private conversations and computer contents of its citizens.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but throwing up Bill Clinton is really lame, asshole. In case you haven’t been paying attention, Clinton has been out of office for over five years. I mean, isn’t it time for junior to step up, be a man, and shoulder a little responsibilty for not finding bin Laden?
Junior can’t find his ass with both hands, pal. Hell, he can’t even the source of the CIA Plame leak, and that’s right in his own house. Instead of spying on American citizens, maybe he ought to be tapping that sneaky-assed Dick Cheney and Karl Rove’s phones, right dipstick?
January 1st, 2006 at 7:06 pmHey Joe, you notice how Gary calls Bin Laden a “figure”?
Last I heard he was the mastermind of the 9-11 terrorist attacks. Doesn’t that make him a terrorist?
January 1st, 2006 at 7:27 pmElusive figure.
I guess a person who requires dialysis to survive is some how equated to being elusive these days.
January 1st, 2006 at 7:38 pmOne thing I will say about Safire is that
January 1st, 2006 at 7:41 pmhe never drank the cool-aid like the
rest of the wing-nuttery.
I didn’t agree with him much (almost never?),
but it did seem like he had some integrity
WRT fundamental conservative beliefs as
opposed to the the current nut-jobs that
believe that whatever “commander codpiece” says
is the gospel.
What mindless suck-ups.
Nobody has confirmed the dialysis claim. It’s probably a figment of the liberal media.
Once again, you all are crazy.
If terrorist monitoring captures Bin Laden, would you still be against it?
January 1st, 2006 at 7:46 pmGary, so called terrorist monitoring will never capture Bin Laden.
Bubble boy already told the American People that he doesn’t care where Bin Laden is.
And you call us crazy, you’re psychotic.
January 1st, 2006 at 7:54 pmJust to get back on topic, how did Safire find out he was being tapped? He certainly wouldn’t care if he weren’t a target himself.
January 1st, 2006 at 9:38 pmI wonder if BenLauden is hiding on a Crawford pig farm, behind a bush.
January 1st, 2006 at 9:41 pmSorry I was off topic. How many people knew Bush was doing this and only coming forward now.? Guess it was not in their political intrests to mention our constitution was being distroyed untill they are up for vote or fear the public would find out before they could hide behind excuses. What a mess this bunch has put our country and the world in…Blessings
January 1st, 2006 at 9:45 pmJoeSix:
Nice to hear from you again, although you’re a conservative and all…
I love how we keep lettin “Gary Rupee” call it terrorist monitoring and not domestic spying.
Cause I don’t think those Quakers in Fl. would like to be called that.
January 1st, 2006 at 10:37 pmNeither would all of us on these blogs. We’re AMERICANS. And spying on us would be in violation of the 4th AMENDMENT, GARY!
Herr Bush is spying on AMERICANS! Not just international contacts. He’s got all our “addresses”. So stop trying to deflect what’s really going on. We have a crazed, power hungry, IQ hovering around room temperature zealot bent on TOTAL control.
That is indefensible.
He needs to be stopped.
Period.
If terrorist monitoring captures Bin Laden, would you still be against it?
Hmmm… I didn’t realize that William Safire and whatever Reporter he was communicating with qualified as “terrorists” in need of being wiretapped.
Sigh.
January 1st, 2006 at 11:05 pmDomestic spying is just a negative nickname for terrorist monitoring.
Comment by Gary Ruppert
Gary Ruppert is just a euphemism for psychotic moron.
January 1st, 2006 at 11:05 pm“The fact is that the terrorist monitoring is 100% legal.”
Gary, do you realize how stupid your comment is? I’ll give you a second to think about why it’s so dumb-headed. Ok, time’s up. What you are suggesting is that we have known terrorists within the borders of the U.S., and they are being monitored. Don’t you think a better approach would be to just go pick up these “terrorists” instead of monitoring them? Terrorists were not being monitored, U.S. citizens were being monitored without a court order, which is 100% illegal. Where in the hell did you come up with this moniker — “terrorist monitoring”? Did you make it up, or did you read it on a right site?
January 1st, 2006 at 11:15 pmRuppert knows it’s ridiculous. When he grows up he wants to be a presidential press secretary. Like Scotty McClellan. Or even Baghdad Bob. It’s a job.
January 2nd, 2006 at 6:41 amHe made it up. He wants a job and to get “jumped in” to the GOP gagng he’s gotta make his “bones”.
January 2nd, 2006 at 6:43 am“Terrorist Monitoring” – yeah right, we aren’t buying the spin.
This is just more fuel for the fire that is Bush. He will be a joke historically. Maybe though, we will use this as an example of what can happen when one group is given too much power. It will be a testiment to what can happen when we vote for one agenda to the exclusion of our nation as a whole. This is what occurs when we are selfish and vote thinking only of how we will be bettered.
We now can know how awful we can have it when we vote for someone without intellectual skills. When we put mediocre in, mediocre comes out.
January 2nd, 2006 at 10:17 amGary,
If there should be any listening it should be Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld’s phones and e-mails. These asshats are more a treat to society than the terrrorists.
Try, impeach, Prison.
January 2nd, 2006 at 10:21 amP and P,
January 2nd, 2006 at 10:28 amI couldn’t agree more. We don’t need no stinking moderates nor centrists as they are luke-warm, without compassion or conviction to take a stand on issues so they ride the wave of what got me here and what keeps me here. Hilary has swallowed the Kool-Aid in her move to the middle. Many on the left are leaving her camp as we feel betrayed. Senator Russ Feingold is our best hope for a progressive goverment.
The problem is that Bush skirted the law and the FISA courts (who very rarely refuse an application) because he was not limiting his spying to terrorists. He wants to spy on Americans. One may not think that is a bad thing because one has nothing to hide — a simplistic notion. Americans have guaranteed personal and civil liberties which must not be trampled, safeguarded by the Constitution. Today you are in government compliance — tomorrow the same activity or non-activity may not be in government compliance. When Bush takes the law into his own hands as interpreter and enforcer he has defiled the Constitution. He has in effect eliminated the work of Congress, who represents the people, and he has acted as final arbiter of juris prudence.
January 2nd, 2006 at 11:05 amBush is sworn to uphold the Constitution. The Congress represents the people. Bush is responsible to the Congress, and by that fact, to the people. We, the people, are in charge of the nation.
Safire’s politics are in opposition to my own, but I always read his columns because he is knowledgeable and I have to respect that. So while it’s a rare occasion when I agree with Wm. Safire, this is one where we are in agreement.
January 2nd, 2006 at 11:09 amIf it turns out, like it did with the ilegal black prisons, that it was a repulican will you guys drop the investigation again?
January 2nd, 2006 at 11:51 amSo, when our generals in the field told Bush that Osama was in Pakistan and Bush didn’t do anything was Clinton’s fault? Interesting.
January 2nd, 2006 at 11:54 am#21
Here you go, from Al Jazeera. You know, the news organization that Buah wanted to bomb.
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/people_full_story.asp?service_id=10319
See how they are pointing to the US Military. Gary, you aren’t saying our own military would lie are you?
January 2nd, 2006 at 12:06 pmThanks for the dialysis link SpudgeBoy.
I wasn’t willing to search it just to prove a point with a stupid neocon.
I know what we can do Gary. Capture bin Laden, don’t let him anywhere near a dialysis machine and we’ll see if he survives.
January 2nd, 2006 at 9:13 pmSOme of these supporter of illegal monitoring need to actually read Safires column.
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January 3rd, 2006 at 5:16 pm