Democracy Now just ran a Brian Ross from ABC news story from 1998 about Tom and Jack’s excellent adventure in Saipan, now the Marianis Islands and apparently Tom fought off legislation that would have put US labor laws into effect there at the factories. my point to scream about is the Chineese officials at the plant made it policy for pregnant workers, who had to sign a nefarious contract before being employed, to be fired if they did not have an abortion. Tie that one in with Sugarland and their representative to congress. Sugarland Texas, Anglo Christian beyond. Blame them they elected him. I guess that’s what they stand for, child abuse, abortion, extortion. Where is the principle. I guess the market forces are taking over now aren’t they?
Excuse me I went off on Sugarland and forgot a part of the story; Apparently after this legislation was blocked someone at the Dept. of Interior tried an end around to generate some compliance, Delay tried to cut off funding for that particular division. I think the commitee structure needs to be out in the open more companioned with a vote record. His tactics just intimdate alternative thoughts and punish decension. Very disease like, and Delay is a Pathogen.
The mafia that is bushco will see to it that Mr. Abramoff does limited damage. They are the largest, most powerful criminal conspiracy on the planet and have seen this coming for a while. They’re prepared, for sure.
Punchy at 9–Why do you assume the GOP couldn’t have Abramoff killed INSIDE the prison, which will after all be Federal? A few well-placed bribes and Jacko’s a sitting duck. “We never realized Mr Abramoff would need special protection, certainly not under current guidelines.”
60 lawmakers may be implicated in this case and some poll on CNN.com today says only ‘half’ the country thinks lawmakers in Washington are corrupt.
What kind of tidal wave needs to happen before a significant majority realizes the widespread corruption poisoning all the branches of our government? Sheesh! Talk about people burying their heads in the sand.
#17 - Abramoff needs to sit with Dr Phil…personally I won’t watch it…but many who shy away from the news channels and internet news sources may….then Mad TV or SNL can make a skit about it and then it’s in the public’s eye
#16–Really, I don’t think he’d even get that far. It does them no good, aside from sending a message to the next canary, to wax him after the fact. He’ll “die” in custody pre-trial, but just how exactly is something only the Admin knows for sure.
I think it would be great if he took down even half that number with him. Think of how that would erode public confidence in Washington. Maybe then the American people would wake up and stop trusting the government to take care of them.
Washington has long been about taking care of themselves first — Repubs and Dems alike.
The government should take of us as we are the government. Our government is we the people. Now, we just need to hire those with intelligence, compassion (the real stuff, not the phony crap from the neocons) and transparency - NOT SECRETS.
It is our fault that OUR government is the way it is. We, as the government, should indeed take care of one another. Otherwise, we are a selfish, exclusive nation. This is not what was intended at our founding.
When money is what gets someone elected, we will only be governed by rich. That is what made Clinton so popular - he knew what our everyday problems were. Whether you like him or not, he got through and there is no denying that.
I’m in TN and Lamar Alexander only had to not know the price of a gallon of milk to make him an instant ass. Now I tell you, we should be asking the right questions of our candidates.
I need to clue you in to something that the right is deeply confused and or dishonest about. Democrats/progressives don’t want the government to “take care of them”, they want to be protected from the predatory nature of corporations that don’t play by the rules. That shelter their revenue from taxes offshore, pay billions to lobbyists to subvert protections that are in place to keep them from doing whatever the hell they please including protecting workers, the environment, jobs. It’s one thing to promote a healthy capitalist economy but its entirely different to allow the corporations to tip the scales in their favor on every front. Our people and the environment MUST be protected not just from foreign threats but domestic threats as well. If BIG pharma/oil/banking/military are protected by the lawmakers…who protects the people?
Jay, read P&P’s post #23. If we the people are the government, then we have ourselves to blame for allowing “the corporations to tip the scales in their favor on every front” (hyperbole, but I’ll let it pass). The reality is that we the people (most of us) don’t hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes.
“If BIG pharma/oil/banking/military are protected by the lawmakers…who protects the people?” We the people elected these lawmakers so we must be OK with it.
Most people simply don’t think corporations as a whole are evil. Sure there are bad apples (Enron, Tyco) but to generalize those cases to all corporations is delusional (to use your word).
#25 I’m definately not okay with the corruption. My point is secrecy, no matter where it comes from, is wrong in government. We really need to teach our children that others are just as important as oneself. The selfishness that I see from young people is outrageous. When I was a kid, I often thought about what I did and how it affected others. I don’t see that so much anymore. Starting from the bottom up is the only way to prevent the greed.
Corporations are not evil, per se, it is the level of corruption on the top that is systematic of the greed of the shareholders, which is all of us.
Only a political version of Hurricane Katrina will shock us back into the correct perspective. Let the flooding begin!”
Problem is that the average citizen of America has already forgotten Katrina happened. You know, there was the whole Global War on Christmas to fight.
The American public is so concerned with Katrina that they trampled their fellow citizens to donate money for relief. Oh wait, that was to buy crappy goods made in China. NVM.
#28, it’s not black or white, all or nothing, but I feel a majority of corporations, in some way or another, have acted unethical or immoral while chasing the almighty dollar…the interests of stockholders are not the same interests of employees or consumers, so I feel it is safe to say that a lot of decisions made to benefit the stockholders, burns everyone else…which, moved to the national political arena casuses many more burns….GREED IS EVIL AND CORPORATIONS SOLE FOCUS IS GREED
The majority of large corporations (I’m referring to the biggies with vastly overpaid CEO’s that have consumed slews of smaller competitiors) are actively working to weaken attempts by the government to tax them, regulate them, impose laws that temper the consolidation-mania that they’re monopolizing markets with. The GOP (and once again they’re not alone here as many Dems are playing this game too) openly does their bidding, be it taking bribes from power lobbyists, killing the ability to file bankruptcy or creating an energy policy with the Big Oil CEO’s AT THE TABLE!
In short, when those that govern enable the greedy, bottom-line mentality that defines megacorporations…we all lose. Only the fattest of the fat cats (I dunno top 3-5% maybe) are reaping the benefits of this type of governance and it’s disgusting. This administration and the Congressional majority are changing the rules so that they can all feed at the trough. They’re getting away with murder and our “elected” officials are helping them….at our expense. If you’re ok with that, well, that’s your choice.
ALICE FISHER… THE DEP. ATT. GEN. IS PART OF THE FIX… HERE’S HER SKINNY, LET’S STOP THE FIX….E-MAIL THE MSM AND START WITH: IS SHE BUDDIES WITH DELAY’S LAWYERS ?
#31 I agree. Corporations look only to profits and THAT IS ALL. We aren’t like that as individuals. When we started putting the dollar in front of the man, we lost. CEOs do not need $5.6M and their contribution is by no means worthy of such.
Greed will be our undoing. I see it in kids every single day. I don’t expect much from them as adults. It is very very scary to me how much people will do for a buck. Living simply is exactly what Jesus would do, right? Than I should see NO SUVs in the parking lot of churches. It is disgraceful to want more than you need.
Plain and simple, there is simply too much money, and the influence it buys/brings, in politics. In any other setting, what is seen as business/politics as usual, would be seen for what it is, bribery. It does make it hard to rail on the nature of other countries and their governments, when ours appears to be just as corrupt.
The Saipan/Mariannas issue is definitely an interesting one. It would appear that the lobbyists for the manufacturers were able, through elected represetatives, to quash and prevent any further investigation that would appear to dovetail with the current Abramoff scandal. Hopefully, that too will out.
The reality is that we the people (most of us) don’t hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes.
cynicon implant
I dunno CI, I work for one, oops, two of them, and I find them soulless and in some ways utterly contemptible.
Like the way they treat their employees, spying on us, assuming we steal, expecting loyalty but giving nothing for that loyalty but some cash on the nightstand and the occassional greasy cheese pizza. While the CEO’s live high and free, big perks, big accounts, big salaries, big parachutes.
No, CI, I think people pretty much hate working for the “man” but don’t have a whole lotta choices in the matter.
The corporations have rigged the world so that a factory worker building cars in China now makes a fraction as much in real money as one of Henry Ford’s factory workers in 1913. Yet those Ford workers still tried to organize and create a decent life for their families, because they could see the obscene wealth of their masters, especially the senile, anti-Semitic one. We, on the other hand, are unable to keep up with our own appetites on our Wal-Mart pay, but we know in our bones that the corporations and the Pentagon are all that keep billions of hard-working poor around the world from coming to take our (credit-card bought) stuff. Globalization was a brilliant scheme because it made ordinary workers the middle of a global pyramid instead of the bottom of an American one. But it’s really nothing more than reconstructing the Old Slave South, with the GOP and corporations living in the manor house, and us as the redneck overseers carrying whips and guns to scare non-whites in the slave quarters here and abroad, prisons, ghettoes, Mexico, Iraq. We love our plantation owners, because they tell us we’re better than the n******s. Now we will let Bush take the last of the freedoms to preserve this nightmare a few pitiful more years.
[…] Mr. Abramoff says he has information that could implicate 60 lawmakers (tags: Abramoff Delay Politics Politiburo Bush GOP Scandal Scandalous RNC) […]
Sounds like a good start. There are likely
January 4th, 2006 at 8:56 amanother 60 that wouldn’t be missed either.
60…..that’s all?
January 4th, 2006 at 8:58 amPlease cut and past if possible this article to your blog so that readers without access to the WSJ can read it.
January 4th, 2006 at 9:04 amTom Delay:
“National Endowment for the Arts is pornography”
“Deregulation of bug sprays is a good thing”
“Christians are wackos”
Is there any question that the only way Delay could hold power was through illegal behavior and money laundering?
January 4th, 2006 at 9:07 amJeesh.
P-U-B-L-I-C-S-U-I-C-D-E
Hey man, nice shot.
January 4th, 2006 at 9:10 amsuicide
January 4th, 2006 at 9:11 amDemocracy Now just ran a Brian Ross from ABC news story from 1998 about Tom and Jack’s excellent adventure in Saipan, now the Marianis Islands and apparently Tom fought off legislation that would have put US labor laws into effect there at the factories. my point to scream about is the Chineese officials at the plant made it policy for pregnant workers, who had to sign a nefarious contract before being employed, to be fired if they did not have an abortion. Tie that one in with Sugarland and their representative to congress. Sugarland Texas, Anglo Christian beyond. Blame them they elected him. I guess that’s what they stand for, child abuse, abortion, extortion. Where is the principle. I guess the market forces are taking over now aren’t they?
January 4th, 2006 at 9:20 amExcuse me I went off on Sugarland and forgot a part of the story; Apparently after this legislation was blocked someone at the Dept. of Interior tried an end around to generate some compliance, Delay tried to cut off funding for that particular division. I think the commitee structure needs to be out in the open more companioned with a vote record. His tactics just intimdate alternative thoughts and punish decension. Very disease like, and Delay is a Pathogen.
January 4th, 2006 at 9:30 amOne man taking down SIXTY congressman? I wonder which lawmaker just inquired into the prices of a professional bagman.
Seriously, how wanted-dead is this guy? Before he gets in or after he gets out of the pokey, he’s as good as gone.
January 4th, 2006 at 9:50 amThe mafia that is bushco will see to it that Mr. Abramoff does limited damage. They are the largest, most powerful criminal conspiracy on the planet and have seen this coming for a while. They’re prepared, for sure.
January 4th, 2006 at 9:55 amI have to suspect that Jack might end up sleeping with the fishes if he has that much info. Hope they have nim under watch and in kevlar.
January 4th, 2006 at 9:57 amAttennnnnn - hut.
Fighting Dems, take point.
Your Country needs you more then ever and this is a very real battle for our Democracy.
Be true to the Constitution in the spirit of the Founders. Speak Truth to power and the people and you will not lose.
January 4th, 2006 at 10:08 am“60″ is now officially my favorite number… it’s the new “69!”
January 4th, 2006 at 10:08 amI hope they all rot in hell. Every last one of them.
January 4th, 2006 at 10:10 amHmmmm. 5 GOP Senators + 55 GOP Congresscritters = Democratic control of Congress by this time next year.
January 4th, 2006 at 10:11 amPunchy at 9–Why do you assume the GOP couldn’t have Abramoff killed INSIDE the prison, which will after all be Federal? A few well-placed bribes and Jacko’s a sitting duck. “We never realized Mr Abramoff would need special protection, certainly not under current guidelines.”
January 4th, 2006 at 10:12 am60 lawmakers may be implicated in this case and some poll on CNN.com today says only ‘half’ the country thinks lawmakers in Washington are corrupt.
What kind of tidal wave needs to happen before a significant majority realizes the widespread corruption poisoning all the branches of our government? Sheesh! Talk about people burying their heads in the sand.
January 4th, 2006 at 10:13 am#17 - Abramoff needs to sit with Dr Phil…personally I won’t watch it…but many who shy away from the news channels and internet news sources may….then Mad TV or SNL can make a skit about it and then it’s in the public’s eye
January 4th, 2006 at 10:29 am#16–Really, I don’t think he’d even get that far. It does them no good, aside from sending a message to the next canary, to wax him after the fact. He’ll “die” in custody pre-trial, but just how exactly is something only the Admin knows for sure.
January 4th, 2006 at 10:42 amI think it would be great if he took down even half that number with him. Think of how that would erode public confidence in Washington. Maybe then the American people would wake up and stop trusting the government to take care of them.
Washington has long been about taking care of themselves first — Repubs and Dems alike.
January 4th, 2006 at 10:44 amAmbramoff may also commit suicide, though that explanation would surely be questioned… he’d become the GOP’s Vince Foster…
January 4th, 2006 at 10:52 am#20 Yes. Exactly.
Only a political version of Hurricane Katrina will shock us back into the correct perspective. Let the flooding begin!
January 4th, 2006 at 11:00 amThe government should take of us as we are the government. Our government is we the people. Now, we just need to hire those with intelligence, compassion (the real stuff, not the phony crap from the neocons) and transparency - NOT SECRETS.
It is our fault that OUR government is the way it is. We, as the government, should indeed take care of one another. Otherwise, we are a selfish, exclusive nation. This is not what was intended at our founding.
When money is what gets someone elected, we will only be governed by rich. That is what made Clinton so popular - he knew what our everyday problems were. Whether you like him or not, he got through and there is no denying that.
I’m in TN and Lamar Alexander only had to not know the price of a gallon of milk to make him an instant ass. Now I tell you, we should be asking the right questions of our candidates.
January 4th, 2006 at 11:22 amcynicon,
I need to clue you in to something that the right is deeply confused and or dishonest about. Democrats/progressives don’t want the government to “take care of them”, they want to be protected from the predatory nature of corporations that don’t play by the rules. That shelter their revenue from taxes offshore, pay billions to lobbyists to subvert protections that are in place to keep them from doing whatever the hell they please including protecting workers, the environment, jobs. It’s one thing to promote a healthy capitalist economy but its entirely different to allow the corporations to tip the scales in their favor on every front. Our people and the environment MUST be protected not just from foreign threats but domestic threats as well. If BIG pharma/oil/banking/military are protected by the lawmakers…who protects the people?
January 4th, 2006 at 11:28 amJay, read P&P’s post #23. If we the people are the government, then we have ourselves to blame for allowing “the corporations to tip the scales in their favor on every front” (hyperbole, but I’ll let it pass). The reality is that we the people (most of us) don’t hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes.
“If BIG pharma/oil/banking/military are protected by the lawmakers…who protects the people?” We the people elected these lawmakers so we must be OK with it.
January 4th, 2006 at 11:44 am“We the people elected these lawmakers so we must be OK with it.”
Was this comment intentionally delusional or were you being serious?
January 4th, 2006 at 11:48 am“The reality is that we the people (most of us) don’t hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes.”
Like Enron? Tyco? Get real!
“We the people elected these lawmakers so we must be OK with it.”
Comment by cynicon implant — January 4, 2006
As Duke Cunningham’s constituents if they were ok with his actions.
January 4th, 2006 at 12:37 pm#26 — I am serious.
Most people simply don’t think corporations as a whole are evil. Sure there are bad apples (Enron, Tyco) but to generalize those cases to all corporations is delusional (to use your word).
January 4th, 2006 at 12:47 pm#25 I’m definately not okay with the corruption. My point is secrecy, no matter where it comes from, is wrong in government. We really need to teach our children that others are just as important as oneself. The selfishness that I see from young people is outrageous. When I was a kid, I often thought about what I did and how it affected others. I don’t see that so much anymore. Starting from the bottom up is the only way to prevent the greed.
Corporations are not evil, per se, it is the level of corruption on the top that is systematic of the greed of the shareholders, which is all of us.
January 4th, 2006 at 1:22 pm#22
Problem is that the average citizen of America has already forgotten Katrina happened. You know, there was the whole Global War on Christmas to fight.
The American public is so concerned with Katrina that they trampled their fellow citizens to donate money for relief. Oh wait, that was to buy crappy goods made in China. NVM.
January 4th, 2006 at 1:26 pm#28, it’s not black or white, all or nothing, but I feel a majority of corporations, in some way or another, have acted unethical or immoral while chasing the almighty dollar…the interests of stockholders are not the same interests of employees or consumers, so I feel it is safe to say that a lot of decisions made to benefit the stockholders, burns everyone else…which, moved to the national political arena casuses many more burns….GREED IS EVIL AND CORPORATIONS SOLE FOCUS IS GREED
January 4th, 2006 at 1:27 pmhmm…lets hope he doesn’t die mysteriously by a piano falling oh his head. how many people do you think want to keep Abramoff quiet?
January 4th, 2006 at 1:46 pmThe majority of large corporations (I’m referring to the biggies with vastly overpaid CEO’s that have consumed slews of smaller competitiors) are actively working to weaken attempts by the government to tax them, regulate them, impose laws that temper the consolidation-mania that they’re monopolizing markets with. The GOP (and once again they’re not alone here as many Dems are playing this game too) openly does their bidding, be it taking bribes from power lobbyists, killing the ability to file bankruptcy or creating an energy policy with the Big Oil CEO’s AT THE TABLE!
In short, when those that govern enable the greedy, bottom-line mentality that defines megacorporations…we all lose. Only the fattest of the fat cats (I dunno top 3-5% maybe) are reaping the benefits of this type of governance and it’s disgusting. This administration and the Congressional majority are changing the rules so that they can all feed at the trough. They’re getting away with murder and our “elected” officials are helping them….at our expense. If you’re ok with that, well, that’s your choice.
January 4th, 2006 at 2:13 pmALICE FISHER… THE DEP. ATT. GEN. IS PART OF THE FIX… HERE’S HER SKINNY, LET’S STOP THE FIX….E-MAIL THE MSM AND START WITH: IS SHE BUDDIES WITH DELAY’S LAWYERS ?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ index.php?title=Alice_S._Fisher
COLORADO BOB
January 4th, 2006 at 2:25 pmnotice the bulging trench coat, he had kevlar underneath.
January 4th, 2006 at 3:02 pm#31 I agree. Corporations look only to profits and THAT IS ALL. We aren’t like that as individuals. When we started putting the dollar in front of the man, we lost. CEOs do not need $5.6M and their contribution is by no means worthy of such.
Greed will be our undoing. I see it in kids every single day. I don’t expect much from them as adults. It is very very scary to me how much people will do for a buck. Living simply is exactly what Jesus would do, right? Than I should see NO SUVs in the parking lot of churches. It is disgraceful to want more than you need.
January 4th, 2006 at 3:27 pmPlain and simple, there is simply too much money, and the influence it buys/brings, in politics. In any other setting, what is seen as business/politics as usual, would be seen for what it is, bribery. It does make it hard to rail on the nature of other countries and their governments, when ours appears to be just as corrupt.
The Saipan/Mariannas issue is definitely an interesting one. It would appear that the lobbyists for the manufacturers were able, through elected represetatives, to quash and prevent any further investigation that would appear to dovetail with the current Abramoff scandal. Hopefully, that too will out.
January 4th, 2006 at 4:04 pmThe reality is that we the people (most of us) don’t hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes.
cynicon implant
I dunno CI, I work for one, oops, two of them, and I find them soulless and in some ways utterly contemptible.
Like the way they treat their employees, spying on us, assuming we steal, expecting loyalty but giving nothing for that loyalty but some cash on the nightstand and the occassional greasy cheese pizza. While the CEO’s live high and free, big perks, big accounts, big salaries, big parachutes.
No, CI, I think people pretty much hate working for the “man” but don’t have a whole lotta choices in the matter.
January 4th, 2006 at 4:58 pm#38
Word
January 4th, 2006 at 5:38 pmThe corporations have rigged the world so that a factory worker building cars in China now makes a fraction as much in real money as one of Henry Ford’s factory workers in 1913. Yet those Ford workers still tried to organize and create a decent life for their families, because they could see the obscene wealth of their masters, especially the senile, anti-Semitic one. We, on the other hand, are unable to keep up with our own appetites on our Wal-Mart pay, but we know in our bones that the corporations and the Pentagon are all that keep billions of hard-working poor around the world from coming to take our (credit-card bought) stuff. Globalization was a brilliant scheme because it made ordinary workers the middle of a global pyramid instead of the bottom of an American one. But it’s really nothing more than reconstructing the Old Slave South, with the GOP and corporations living in the manor house, and us as the redneck overseers carrying whips and guns to scare non-whites in the slave quarters here and abroad, prisons, ghettoes, Mexico, Iraq. We love our plantation owners, because they tell us we’re better than the n******s. Now we will let Bush take the last of the freedoms to preserve this nightmare a few pitiful more years.
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