Comments on: 60. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:54:40 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Antonio http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-1949867 Antonio Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:29:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-1949867 Very nice site! Good work. Very nice site! Good work.

]]> By: links for 2006-01-06 - Brokekid.net http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-381586 links for 2006-01-06 - Brokekid.net Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:30:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-381586 [...] Mr. Abramoff says he has information that could implicate 60 lawmakers (tags: Abramoff Delay Politics Politiburo Bush GOP Scandal Scandalous RNC) [...] [...] Mr. Abramoff says he has information that could implicate 60 lawmakers (tags: Abramoff Delay Politics Politiburo Bush GOP Scandal Scandalous RNC) [...]

]]> By: super390 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-371491 super390 Thu, 05 Jan 2006 06:15:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-371491 The corporations have rigged the world so that a factory worker building cars in China now makes a fraction as much in real money as one of Henry Ford's factory workers in 1913. Yet those Ford workers still tried to organize and create a decent life for their families, because they could see the obscene wealth of their masters, especially the senile, anti-Semitic one. We, on the other hand, are unable to keep up with our own appetites on our Wal-Mart pay, but we know in our bones that the corporations and the Pentagon are all that keep billions of hard-working poor around the world from coming to take our (credit-card bought) stuff. Globalization was a brilliant scheme because it made ordinary workers the middle of a global pyramid instead of the bottom of an American one. But it's really nothing more than reconstructing the Old Slave South, with the GOP and corporations living in the manor house, and us as the redneck overseers carrying whips and guns to scare non-whites in the slave quarters here and abroad, prisons, ghettoes, Mexico, Iraq. We love our plantation owners, because they tell us we're better than the n******s. Now we will let Bush take the last of the freedoms to preserve this nightmare a few pitiful more years. The corporations have rigged the world so that a factory worker building cars in China now makes a fraction as much in real money as one of Henry Ford’s factory workers in 1913. Yet those Ford workers still tried to organize and create a decent life for their families, because they could see the obscene wealth of their masters, especially the senile, anti-Semitic one. We, on the other hand, are unable to keep up with our own appetites on our Wal-Mart pay, but we know in our bones that the corporations and the Pentagon are all that keep billions of hard-working poor around the world from coming to take our (credit-card bought) stuff. Globalization was a brilliant scheme because it made ordinary workers the middle of a global pyramid instead of the bottom of an American one. But it’s really nothing more than reconstructing the Old Slave South, with the GOP and corporations living in the manor house, and us as the redneck overseers carrying whips and guns to scare non-whites in the slave quarters here and abroad, prisons, ghettoes, Mexico, Iraq. We love our plantation owners, because they tell us we’re better than the n******s. Now we will let Bush take the last of the freedoms to preserve this nightmare a few pitiful more years.

]]> By: Chris in AZ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370885 Chris in AZ Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:38:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370885 #38 Word #38

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]]> By: Duckman GR http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370822 Duckman GR Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:58:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370822 <em>The reality is that we the people (most of us) don’t hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes. cynicon implant </em> I dunno CI, I work for one, oops, two of them, and I find them soulless and in some ways utterly contemptible. Like the way they treat their employees, spying on us, assuming we steal, expecting loyalty but giving nothing for that loyalty but some cash on the nightstand and the occassional greasy cheese pizza. While the CEO's live high and free, big perks, big accounts, big salaries, big parachutes. No, CI, I think people pretty much hate working for the "man" but don't have a whole lotta choices in the matter. The reality is that we the people (most of us) don’t hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes.

cynicon implant

I dunno CI, I work for one, oops, two of them, and I find them soulless and in some ways utterly contemptible.

Like the way they treat their employees, spying on us, assuming we steal, expecting loyalty but giving nothing for that loyalty but some cash on the nightstand and the occassional greasy cheese pizza. While the CEO’s live high and free, big perks, big accounts, big salaries, big parachutes.

No, CI, I think people pretty much hate working for the “man” but don’t have a whole lotta choices in the matter.

]]> By: David http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370707 David Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:04:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370707 Plain and simple, there is simply too much money, and the influence it buys/brings, in politics. In any other setting, what is seen as business/politics as usual, would be seen for what it is, bribery. It does make it hard to rail on the nature of other countries and their governments, when ours appears to be just as corrupt. The Saipan/Mariannas issue is definitely an interesting one. It would appear that the lobbyists for the manufacturers were able, through elected represetatives, to quash and prevent any further investigation that would appear to dovetail with the current Abramoff scandal. Hopefully, that too will out. Plain and simple, there is simply too much money, and the influence it buys/brings, in politics. In any other setting, what is seen as business/politics as usual, would be seen for what it is, bribery. It does make it hard to rail on the nature of other countries and their governments, when ours appears to be just as corrupt.

The Saipan/Mariannas issue is definitely an interesting one. It would appear that the lobbyists for the manufacturers were able, through elected represetatives, to quash and prevent any further investigation that would appear to dovetail with the current Abramoff scandal. Hopefully, that too will out.

]]> By: progressive and proud http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370613 progressive and proud Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:27:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370613 #31 I agree. Corporations look only to profits and THAT IS ALL. We aren't like that as individuals. When we started putting the dollar in front of the man, we lost. CEOs do not need $5.6M and their contribution is by no means worthy of such. Greed will be our undoing. I see it in kids every single day. I don't expect much from them as adults. It is very very scary to me how much people will do for a buck. Living simply is exactly what Jesus would do, right? Than I should see NO SUVs in the parking lot of churches. It is disgraceful to want more than you need. #31 I agree. Corporations look only to profits and THAT IS ALL. We aren’t like that as individuals. When we started putting the dollar in front of the man, we lost. CEOs do not need $5.6M and their contribution is by no means worthy of such.

Greed will be our undoing. I see it in kids every single day. I don’t expect much from them as adults. It is very very scary to me how much people will do for a buck. Living simply is exactly what Jesus would do, right? Than I should see NO SUVs in the parking lot of churches. It is disgraceful to want more than you need.

]]> By: panicearly http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370561 panicearly Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:02:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370561 notice the bulging trench coat, he had kevlar underneath. notice the bulging trench coat, he had kevlar underneath.

]]> By: COLORADO BOB http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370497 COLORADO BOB Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:25:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370497 ALICE FISHER... THE DEP. ATT. GEN. IS PART OF THE FIX... HERE'S HER SKINNY, LET'S STOP THE FIX....E-MAIL THE MSM AND START WITH: IS SHE BUDDIES WITH DELAY'S LAWYERS ? http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Alice_S._Fisher COLORADO BOB ALICE FISHER… THE DEP. ATT. GEN. IS PART OF THE FIX… HERE’S HER SKINNY, LET’S STOP THE FIX….E-MAIL THE MSM AND START WITH: IS SHE BUDDIES WITH DELAY’S LAWYERS ?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Alice_S._Fisher

COLORADO BOB

]]> By: Jay http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370479 Jay Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:13:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370479 The majority of large corporations (I'm referring to the biggies with vastly overpaid CEO's that have consumed slews of smaller competitiors) are actively working to weaken attempts by the government to tax them, regulate them, impose laws that temper the consolidation-mania that they're monopolizing markets with. The GOP (and once again they're not alone here as many Dems are playing this game too) openly does their bidding, be it taking bribes from power lobbyists, killing the ability to file bankruptcy or creating an energy policy with the Big Oil CEO's AT THE TABLE! In short, when those that govern enable the greedy, bottom-line mentality that defines megacorporations...we all lose. Only the fattest of the fat cats (I dunno top 3-5% maybe) are reaping the benefits of this type of governance and it's disgusting. This administration and the Congressional majority are changing the rules so that they can all feed at the trough. They're getting away with murder and our "elected" officials are helping them....at our expense. If you're ok with that, well, that's your choice. The majority of large corporations (I’m referring to the biggies with vastly overpaid CEO’s that have consumed slews of smaller competitiors) are actively working to weaken attempts by the government to tax them, regulate them, impose laws that temper the consolidation-mania that they’re monopolizing markets with. The GOP (and once again they’re not alone here as many Dems are playing this game too) openly does their bidding, be it taking bribes from power lobbyists, killing the ability to file bankruptcy or creating an energy policy with the Big Oil CEO’s AT THE TABLE!

In short, when those that govern enable the greedy, bottom-line mentality that defines megacorporations…we all lose. Only the fattest of the fat cats (I dunno top 3-5% maybe) are reaping the benefits of this type of governance and it’s disgusting. This administration and the Congressional majority are changing the rules so that they can all feed at the trough. They’re getting away with murder and our “elected” officials are helping them….at our expense. If you’re ok with that, well, that’s your choice.

]]> By: catalyst http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370444 catalyst Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:46:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370444 hmm...lets hope he doesn't die mysteriously by a piano falling oh his head. how many people do you think want to keep Abramoff quiet? hmm…lets hope he doesn’t die mysteriously by a piano falling oh his head. how many people do you think want to keep Abramoff quiet?

]]> By: Chris in AZ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370423 Chris in AZ Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:27:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370423 #28, it's not black or white, all or nothing, but I feel a majority of corporations, in some way or another, have acted unethical or immoral while chasing the almighty dollar...the interests of stockholders are not the same interests of employees or consumers, so I feel it is safe to say that a lot of decisions made to benefit the stockholders, burns everyone else...which, moved to the national political arena casuses many more burns....GREED IS EVIL AND CORPORATIONS SOLE FOCUS IS GREED #28, it’s not black or white, all or nothing, but I feel a majority of corporations, in some way or another, have acted unethical or immoral while chasing the almighty dollar…the interests of stockholders are not the same interests of employees or consumers, so I feel it is safe to say that a lot of decisions made to benefit the stockholders, burns everyone else…which, moved to the national political arena casuses many more burns….GREED IS EVIL AND CORPORATIONS SOLE FOCUS IS GREED

]]> By: Spudge_Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370420 Spudge_Boy Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:26:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370420 #22 <blockquote> "#20 Yes. Exactly. Only a political version of Hurricane Katrina will shock us back into the correct perspective. Let the flooding begin!"</blockquote> Problem is that the average citizen of America has already forgotten Katrina happened. You know, there was the whole Global War on Christmas to fight. The American public is so concerned with Katrina that they trampled their fellow citizens to donate money for relief. Oh wait, that was to buy crappy goods made in China. NVM. #22

“#20 Yes. Exactly.

Only a political version of Hurricane Katrina will shock us back into the correct perspective. Let the flooding begin!”

Problem is that the average citizen of America has already forgotten Katrina happened. You know, there was the whole Global War on Christmas to fight.

The American public is so concerned with Katrina that they trampled their fellow citizens to donate money for relief. Oh wait, that was to buy crappy goods made in China. NVM.

]]> By: progressive and proud http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370414 progressive and proud Wed, 04 Jan 2006 18:22:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370414 #25 I'm definately not okay with the corruption. My point is secrecy, no matter where it comes from, is wrong in government. We really need to teach our children that others are just as important as oneself. The selfishness that I see from young people is outrageous. When I was a kid, I often thought about what I did and how it affected others. I don't see that so much anymore. Starting from the bottom up is the only way to prevent the greed. Corporations are not evil, per se, it is the level of corruption on the top that is systematic of the greed of the shareholders, which is all of us. #25 I’m definately not okay with the corruption. My point is secrecy, no matter where it comes from, is wrong in government. We really need to teach our children that others are just as important as oneself. The selfishness that I see from young people is outrageous. When I was a kid, I often thought about what I did and how it affected others. I don’t see that so much anymore. Starting from the bottom up is the only way to prevent the greed.

Corporations are not evil, per se, it is the level of corruption on the top that is systematic of the greed of the shareholders, which is all of us.

]]> By: cynicon implant http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370360 cynicon implant Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:47:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370360 #26 -- I am serious. Most people simply don't think corporations as a whole are evil. Sure there are bad apples (Enron, Tyco) but to generalize those cases to all corporations is delusional (to use your word). #26 — I am serious.

Most people simply don’t think corporations as a whole are evil. Sure there are bad apples (Enron, Tyco) but to generalize those cases to all corporations is delusional (to use your word).

]]> By: dano347 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370347 dano347 Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:37:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370347 "The reality is that we the people (most of us) don’t hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes." Like Enron? Tyco? Get real! "We the people elected these lawmakers so we must be OK with it." Comment by cynicon implant — January 4, 2006 As Duke Cunningham's constituents if they were ok with his actions. “The reality is that we the people (most of us) don’t hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes.”

Like Enron? Tyco? Get real!

“We the people elected these lawmakers so we must be OK with it.”

Comment by cynicon implant — January 4, 2006

As Duke Cunningham’s constituents if they were ok with his actions.

]]> By: Jay http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370201 Jay Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:48:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370201 "We the people elected these lawmakers so we must be OK with it." Was this comment intentionally delusional or were you being serious? “We the people elected these lawmakers so we must be OK with it.”

Was this comment intentionally delusional or were you being serious?

]]> By: cynicon implant http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370197 cynicon implant Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:44:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370197 Jay, read P&P's post #23. If we the people are the government, then we have ourselves to blame for allowing "the corporations to tip the scales in their favor on every front" (hyperbole, but I'll let it pass). The reality is that we the people (most of us) don't hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes. "If BIG pharma/oil/banking/military are protected by the lawmakers…who protects the people?" We the people elected these lawmakers so we must be OK with it. Jay, read P&P’s post #23. If we the people are the government, then we have ourselves to blame for allowing “the corporations to tip the scales in their favor on every front” (hyperbole, but I’ll let it pass). The reality is that we the people (most of us) don’t hate corporations because most of us work for them and benefit from their successes.

“If BIG pharma/oil/banking/military are protected by the lawmakers…who protects the people?” We the people elected these lawmakers so we must be OK with it.

]]> By: Jay http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370167 Jay Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:28:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370167 cynicon, I need to clue you in to something that the right is deeply confused and or dishonest about. Democrats/progressives don't want the government to "take care of them", they want to be protected from the predatory nature of corporations that don't play by the rules. That shelter their revenue from taxes offshore, pay billions to lobbyists to subvert protections that are in place to keep them from doing whatever the hell they please including protecting workers, the environment, jobs. It's one thing to promote a healthy capitalist economy but its entirely different to allow the corporations to tip the scales in their favor on every front. Our people and the environment MUST be protected not just from foreign threats but domestic threats as well. If BIG pharma/oil/banking/military are protected by the lawmakers...who protects the people? cynicon,

I need to clue you in to something that the right is deeply confused and or dishonest about. Democrats/progressives don’t want the government to “take care of them”, they want to be protected from the predatory nature of corporations that don’t play by the rules. That shelter their revenue from taxes offshore, pay billions to lobbyists to subvert protections that are in place to keep them from doing whatever the hell they please including protecting workers, the environment, jobs. It’s one thing to promote a healthy capitalist economy but its entirely different to allow the corporations to tip the scales in their favor on every front. Our people and the environment MUST be protected not just from foreign threats but domestic threats as well. If BIG pharma/oil/banking/military are protected by the lawmakers…who protects the people?

]]> By: progressive and proud http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/comment-page-1/#comment-370163 progressive and proud Wed, 04 Jan 2006 16:22:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/60/#comment-370163 The government should take of us as we are the government. Our government is we the people. Now, we just need to hire those with intelligence, compassion (the real stuff, not the phony crap from the neocons) and transparency - NOT SECRETS. It is our fault that OUR government is the way it is. We, as the government, should indeed take care of one another. Otherwise, we are a selfish, exclusive nation. This is not what was intended at our founding. When money is what gets someone elected, we will only be governed by rich. That is what made Clinton so popular - he knew what our everyday problems were. Whether you like him or not, he got through and there is no denying that. I'm in TN and Lamar Alexander only had to not know the price of a gallon of milk to make him an instant ass. Now I tell you, we should be asking the right questions of our candidates. The government should take of us as we are the government. Our government is we the people. Now, we just need to hire those with intelligence, compassion (the real stuff, not the phony crap from the neocons) and transparency – NOT SECRETS.

It is our fault that OUR government is the way it is. We, as the government, should indeed take care of one another. Otherwise, we are a selfish, exclusive nation. This is not what was intended at our founding.

When money is what gets someone elected, we will only be governed by rich. That is what made Clinton so popular – he knew what our everyday problems were. Whether you like him or not, he got through and there is no denying that.

I’m in TN and Lamar Alexander only had to not know the price of a gallon of milk to make him an instant ass. Now I tell you, we should be asking the right questions of our candidates.

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