BREAKING: Duke Cunningham Wore A Wire
Just out from Time Magazine:
Washington’s power players have always bragged about being well-wired, but for disgraced former congressman Duke Cunningham, “wired” wasn’t just a figure of speech. In a week when legislators are focused on the question of who else might be brought down by ex-lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s cooperation with prosecutors as he seeks lenient sentencing over his two federal guilty pleas this week, sources tell TIME that ex-Rep. Cunningham wore a wire to help investigators gather evidence against others just before copping his own plea.
As we noted on ThinkProgress yesterday, before this story broke: “The Department of Justice made a plea deal with Jack Abramoff to get incriminating information on members of Congress. Why did they make a deal with a member of Congress, Duke Cunningham? It’s likely that there are bigger fish to fry.”
More on Cunningscam in this morning’s Progress Report.
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January 6th, 2006 at 2:52 pmOh, I love it.
January 6th, 2006 at 2:54 pmOh Wow! This is great.
January 6th, 2006 at 2:55 pmCan we listen to the tapes online (kidding).
I’m sure the targets will say that they were
taped “out of context”.
Even better is if they claim the tapes are
not allowed because of a technicality.
Even even better is if they complain that the
warrant is invalid due to suspect probable
cause.
This is like a Columbo episode where the clever,
but not clever enough crook gets caught in his
own web.
Wonderful.
Looks like a rat, smells like a rat, then its probably a rat.
January 6th, 2006 at 2:57 pmare repub apologists gonna betray their love of eavesdropping?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:00 pmI can’t wait for the wing-nuts to have to
January 6th, 2006 at 3:01 pmchange their fundamental legal beliefs
AGAIN to argue that their favorite
congress-critter crook should get away
with it. Maybe they can use that famous
3.1415927th amendment where it says “It’s okay
if you’re a republican”.
Popcorn?
I’m sure you all will condemn this “spying” too, right?
Oh, wait, no you won’t. Hypocrites.
I doubt there’s much evidence that anybody other than Cunningham broke the law
January 6th, 2006 at 3:04 pmit’s a little hard to deny saying it when its been recorded. pure genius.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:06 pmPoor Gary. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. Do you think they got a warrant to put a wire on Cunningham? Well, it wasn’t Bush and company so I supposed they DID. Back to your hole you go.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:06 pmHey look, here’s one right on cue.
I’m sure you all will condemn this “spying†too, right?
Oh, wait, no you won’t. Hypocrites.
You think they might have a legal warrant?
Just maybe? Or maybe like for sure they had
a legal warrant, unlike say Chimpy.
I doubt there’s much evidence that anybody other than Cunningham broke the law
Keep hoping, cause that’s all you got.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:08 pmI bet Pepto Bismal set a record setting sale of its products in the Washington DC area after that information came out…
January 6th, 2006 at 3:12 pmJust when you thought Christmas was over!
2006 should be a bad for the wicked….
January 6th, 2006 at 3:12 pmGee, isn’t that wiretapping. AND the GOP aren’t even terrorists.
You people are such fascist hypocrites it’s not even funny.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:12 pmI was wondering how the bushco apologists were going to play this.
tsk, tsk, tsk. Gary, you have no character, honor or integrity. That means, other than your bank account, you are a bankrupt (morally) individual. And why you feel compelled to shout to all the world on ThinkProgress’s stage such things makes me think you are more Jerry Springer than Walter Cronchite(?). You sir are a CAD.
Please sir, look up the definition of HYPOCRITE and use it properly in the future.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:13 pmFile this under “HUGE.” This shit is getting nutso. Anybody got a record of Cunningham’s movements those last days?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:13 pmI’m sure you all will condemn this “spying†too, right?
Oh, wait, no you won’t. Hypocrites.
I doubt there’s much evidence that anybody other than Cunningham broke the law
Comment by Gary Ruppert — January 6, 2006 @ 3:04 pm
We won’t condemn it if they had the proper warrants, which they were probably did… unlike arrogant Peeping George and his side Dick.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:14 pmoh, golly, gosh… the whole damn house of cards just may come tumbling down… no wonder cunningham was so broken up when he read his statement after his guilty plea… he was probably thinking about how incredibly pissed his fellow sleazeballs are going to be when they find out their you-know-what’s are in a wringer right along with the duke…
January 6th, 2006 at 3:14 pmAnd, yes, I DO take it personally
put down that crack pipe tetking. asshole.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:14 pmHoly crap what moron trolls!
January 6th, 2006 at 3:14 pmYou can wiretap with a valid warrant.
Are you people really that dense or
do you just pretent to be for fun?
Wow. Can’t wait to see all the Repubs start to defend. Why don’t wingnuts require their elected officials to abide by the law? Why do wingnuts hate America? Why do they advocate law breaking?
Such a terrible party.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:15 pmDuncan Hunter, do you hear footsteps?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:16 pm[…] More folks are going down. Washington’s power players have always bragged about being well-wired, but for disgraced former congressman Duke Cunningham, “wired†wasn’t just a figure of speech. In a week when legislators are focused on the question of who else might be brought down by ex-lobbyist Jack Abramoff’s cooperation with prosecutors as he seeks lenient sentencing over his two federal guilty pleas this week, sources tell TIME that ex-Rep. Cunningham wore a wire to help investigators gather evidence against others just before copping his own plea. […]
January 6th, 2006 at 3:17 pmGotta Love it………
Act like a common criminal Expect to get treated like one……
January 6th, 2006 at 3:19 pmThinkProgress Values:
Wiretapping terrorists or those who contact terrorist BAD for America and civil rights.
Wiretapping ideological opponents GOOD for America.
I’ll remember this if it becomes clear that Bush did, in fact, wiretap his opponents. Why should I care? I’ll be as partisan as the left is. Turn the other cheek on civil rights when it suits you.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:22 pmSorry for posting off topic, but this just showed up on cspan:
BREAKING NEWS: HOUSE GOPERS CALL FOR ELECTIONS
The Hotline has learned from three House sources that at least two-dozen House GOPers spanning the ideological spectrum have agreed to sign a letter to House Conference Chair Deborah Pryce (R-OH) requesting new leadership elections in an effort to block Rep. Tom DeLay from reclaiming his post as Maj Leader. A group of members and staffers held a conference call earlier today and plan to hold a second one later in the afternoon as they seek to obtain the required 50 signatures to force the vote.
The sources confirm that the effort to build the list is being led by conservative Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) and moderate Rep. Charles Bass (R-NH). Flake has been tasked with lobbying his fellow conservative colleagues, while Bass is in charge of corralling other Tuesday Group moderates.
This is the first sign of what has been, since the Abramoff plea, a quickly-growing, behind-the-scenes effort to ensure that DeLay does not return to the top of the House GOP.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:22 pm#23 - unless that common criminal is a terrorist. You people are idiots.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:22 pmare repub apologists gonna betray their love of eavesdropping?
BINGO! Talk about dramatic irony. Wiretapping (with the court order, TYVM) is going to be their undoing, the piggy little pugs!
January 6th, 2006 at 3:22 pmHey TK, you are not getting the point bozo. The point is warrantless (illegal) wire taps versus (legal) wire taps.
Try thinking for once instead of repeating what the republicans tell you.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:23 pmWiretapping terrorists or those who contact terrorist BAD for America and civil rights.
Wiretapping ideological opponents GOOD for America.
How about wiretapping with a court order good, wiretapping without a court order bad? Or is that too complicated for you?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:24 pmHow far up is Gonzales ready to let this invinstigation go . Time to clamour for independent investigation . Bet our sweet beepees congress wo’nt do it , the creeps.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:24 pm#29 - it’s ok to wiretap Republicans suspected of fraud, not terrorists suspected of the desire and plan to kill hundreds of Americans.
ThinkProgress = HYPOCRISY.
Don’t worry folks. Whatever you dig up on Bush, we will use our majority status to turn the other cheek. Thanks for lowering the standard.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:26 pmLet’s make this simple for the simple trolls:
1) Wiretaps with a warrant are legal. This
includes FISA warrants.
2) Nobody said all wiretaps are illegal (you
made this up)
3) If a high profile case like this the probability
that there was not a vaild warrant is slim.
Why are you trolls pretending not to understand
the difference between a legal wiretap which is
used all the time, and the illegal wiretaps that
Chimpy has admitted to using?
Are you actually THAT ignorant to NOT see the difference?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:28 pm#31 You still don’t get it…..
It’s not about wire tapping. Its about doing it leagally or illeagally. This is the point. They can wire tap everyone in the US as long as they have a warrant. This you non-thinking bozo, it the point.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:28 pmDon’t worry folks. Whatever you dig up on Bush, we will use our majority status to turn the other cheek.
As opposed to using your majority status to, say, erm, do the right thing? I don’t give a crap what happens to Bush. I care what happens to the law.
Can I get you to talk to me on e-mail? You are a delicious little troll. I’ll feed you billy goats gruff every day and post excerpts on the Last Midnight. it’s thewitchnextdoor at gmail, drop me a line, toots! ;-)
January 6th, 2006 at 3:29 pmTetKing,
Do you read or are you too stupid to do so. As has been stated here many times:
“How about wiretapping with a court order good, wiretapping without a court order bad?”
Do you get that? It is very simple. I will put it in another context for you. It is easy.
Taking morphine without a perscription bad, taking morphine with a perscription good.
Or do you not care when people break the law?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:29 pm#24 - Tetracycline King:
Correction: using FISA and proper warrants to wiretap terrorists, encouraged and expected, breaking the law by bypassing FISA and not obtaining said warrants, not so much….
Using a wiretap to investigate a domestic crime, with a warrant, that’s fine as well….and within the law…
You’re rather dumb.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:29 pm#35 - no, the left is claiming Bush is spying on Americans. Bottom line. He is spying on terrorists without a warrant and four courts have said that is legal.
But, it just goes to show where the left’s priorities are - spy on Americans you don’t like is fine. Spy on terrorists (without a warrant) is a violation of civil rights.
You will make it very easy for the GOP majority to put a nix on whatever witch hunt you were hoping for. Better luck next time.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#36,
I’m think astoundingly obtuse, but it
January 6th, 2006 at 3:33 pmmay be intentional, not that it matters.
#36 - Disingenous hypocrisy is a defining value of the left.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:33 pmtetracycline,
Name the four courts and the cases to which you refer. I think that you are lying.
Oh, and methinks that the only GOP majority that will exist after this year is that the majority of them are going to be in prison, where they belong.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:34 pmmore shaking and quaking from the right… what was that great taped scandal from the Reagan Era, ABSCAM???
January 6th, 2006 at 3:36 pmThe lack of understanding of these trolls
January 6th, 2006 at 3:37 pmis amazing.
No wonder they follow the boy-king.
They don’t get basic logic if it
contradicts neo-con ideology (which is
whatever is good for the neo-cons must
be right, to hell with the law and constitution).
It’s not that I’m unpatriotic. The founders of our country did not trust any government — either that of George III or an uncontrolled democracy. That’s why we have the Bill of Rights to protect American citizens from their own government — by demanding, for example, that “Congress shall make no law abridging the right of free speech.’’
This applies to “human rights also” and the abolition of Death Penalties in Europe
To protect us from evil goverments
January 6th, 2006 at 3:37 pmSo Quakers are terrorists, TK?
I find it interesting how you defended the Admin’s illegal action against big bad Quakers, but get in a snit when a perfectly legal investigative tool is used to bag sleazebags.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:40 pmI doubt there’s much evidence that anybody other than Cunningham broke the law
Now I get. You are without a doubt the greatest purveyor of satire on the site. Here all this time I thought you were just a troll spouting ridiculousness, when you’ve been putting one over on us the whole time. Props to Gary.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:41 pm#43,
You are just right. The founding fathers
January 6th, 2006 at 3:42 pmwere deathly afraid of too much power in
any part of government. The evil part just
comes with power… always.
That is why we are supposed to be under
the “rule of law”. That the trolls don’t
get this is discouraging since this is
what allowed the U.S. to be a beacon of
hope to the world. That they would throw
that all away for the boy-king makes them
the true traitors to the United States.
# 36 - “Rather dumb”??? How about dismally stupid and kool-aid sodden?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:44 pmLet’s do ourselves a favor and let the current trolls spout without giving in to the desire to blow them out of the water (not sexually directed certainly).
In fact, if only we could pay absolutely no attention to them at all, we’d all be better off.
High five everyone. The King and his cronies are GOIN’ DOWN!!!!
January 6th, 2006 at 3:45 pm24- What part of warrant, criminal investigation, and illegality are you having trouble understanding? Geez, no wonder you guys voted for Bush.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:45 pmIn the end it is very simple:
1) Just follow the law
2) If there is a problem with the
law, go through the proper procedures
to change the law.
Is that really so hard for Chimpy and the Trolls
January 6th, 2006 at 3:46 pm(great name for a rock band) to understand?
#36 - Disingenous hypocrisy is a defining value of the left.
Comment by Tetracycline King — January 6, 2006 @
You might consider something stonger for your syphlis, the tetracycline doesn’t seem to be working - and you know how that stuff affects your brain if gone untreated. Just look at what it did to Capone.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:46 pm#35 - no, the left is claiming Bush is spying on Americans. Bottom line.
Um, you think we on the left would know what WE are claiming.
From the horse’s mouth right here, TetKing, we’re claiming he’s doing it illegally.
Now go to your right-wing news sources and ask them what they say we’re claiming.
Who’s lying to you?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:48 pmI would LOVE to know where Cunningham went, and who he talked to while “wired”.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:49 pmAny thoughts? Guesses?
Didn’t Capone rant on about “Bolshevic bastards” as the disease took hold?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:50 pmTetracycline King sounds similar; perhaps he’s contracted a tetracyline-resistant strain.
#24: Wiretapping terrorists or those who contact terrorist BAD for America and civil rights.
Wiretapping ideological opponents GOOD for America.
———————————————
You don’t get it. If Bush was only wiretapping terrorists, why did he feel he couldn’t get a warrant? The problem with the wiretapping is the government wants us to trust them when they say they’re only using their expanded powers to spy on terrorists. I don’t trust them to only spy on terrorists or even correctly identify terrorists. These are idiots who belive liberals want to hurt America and need to be wiretapped. They can’t be trusted to make these important decisions in secrecy.
As for Duke Cunningham, it’s not Harry Reid or Howard Dean wiretapping anyone, it was the Justice Department. They are motivated by fact-finding while Bush is motivated by fact-hiding and character assasination.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:50 pmit’s ok to wiretap Republicans suspected of fraud, not terrorists suspected of the desire and plan to kill hundreds of Americans.
Without a court order, yes. You can’t prove that “terrorists” were the targets of the illegal wiretapping any more than I can prove it was the DNC, Move On, the ACLU, or Christiane Amanpour. But we should get a good idea of whom the Cunningham wire was. Ain’t accountability wonderful?
Thanks for lowering the standard.
Coming from a defender corrupt politicians such as yourself, thank you very much. Couldn’t have done it without the GOP.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:53 pmWhy is it that the right doesn’t tell their government employees to follow the law. Is that so hard. I haven’t even got a speeding ticket in 13 years. Is it so hard to not break the law? It just seems so simple to me.
Don’t break the law and nothing happens. You go to work, you go home, you eat, drink and be merry, without a care in the world.
My friends think it is funny that I will approach policemen and talk to them. They are like “OMG I can’t believe you just went up to that cop.” And I say why. I am clean as a whistle and don’t have anything to fear.
When I was moving, a cop pulled over my brother because he had a crack in his windshield. I went over to the cop and told him to hurry up because I needed his help moving. Everybody was like “OMG I can’t believe you did that.” and I said “Why, that cop works for me.”
January 6th, 2006 at 3:53 pmBefore I ever looked at the comments I knew there would be some irrational statements by neocons about spying. Pretty funny stuff.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:53 pmYou repugs are like Japanese military at the end of WW2, or Saddam’s press secretary. You just never know when to crawl back into your holes. Just face the truth, you support corrupt individuals, criminals.
The NSA spied illegally on americans, Cunningham spied legally on his cronies. See, if Bush had just followed the law, you turds wouldn’t be in this position.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:54 pmIt’s not that I’m unpatriotic. The founders of our country did not trust any government — either that of George III or an uncontrolled democracy. That’s why we have the Bill of Rights to protect American citizens from their own government — by demanding, for example, that “Congress shall make no law abridging the right of free speech.’’
In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries in Europe several philosophers proposed the concept of “natural rights,” rights belonging to a person by nature and because he was a human being, not by virtue of his citizenship in a particular country or membership in a particular religious or ethnic group. This concept was vigorously debated and rejected by some philosophers as baseless. Others saw it as a formulation of the underlying principle on which all ideas of citizens’ rights and political and religious liberty were based.
In the late 1700s two revolutions occurred which drew heavily on this concept. In 1776 most of the British colonies in North America proclaimed their independence from the British Empire in a document which still stirs feelings, and debate, the U.S. Declaration of Independence.
We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
and the basis for abolition of Death Penalties in Europe
To protect us from evil goverments
January 6th, 2006 at 3:56 pm#59 - and you are like the Nazis. You would gas Americans if thought you could get back Congress.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:56 pmDisingenous hypocrisy is a defining value of the left.
Want to talk about Projection?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:57 pmSo true Morgan,
but the poetic justice is simply beautiful!
January 6th, 2006 at 3:57 pmThe GOP is eating itself, this is fuc*ing excellent. I hate to be excessively cynical (hey, it’s an instinct) but the thicker this mess gets the more I fear a dramatic “terrorist” attack that the administration will claim warrants the advent of martial law.
Buckle your chinstraps folks, it’s gonna get bumpy!
January 6th, 2006 at 3:57 pmOnce and for all, the Nazis were Right Wingers, they were not liberals. They were conservatives.
January 6th, 2006 at 3:57 pmTetracycline,
January 6th, 2006 at 3:59 pmYour baseless and sensational accusations are beneath contempt. If you want to debate an issue, debate it. If all you want to do is throw out false and libelous accusations, then you need to go away. There is no room for your vitriol in intelligent and fact based conversations.
Ahhh, what’s the matter, TK?
January 6th, 2006 at 3:59 pmLose your binky?
Poor baby….
I think the right is suffering from
January 6th, 2006 at 3:59 pm“over-spin”, i.e., have to spin so
many things, in ways that contradict
their other spin that they are becoming
completely irrational.
Gee, I feel so BAD for them.
Well we know where Tetracycline King falls in the ignorant 20% of people who still think that the earth is flat, the sun revolves around it, and Iraqis were involved in 9/11…
January 6th, 2006 at 4:00 pm#70,
Ghosts, don’t forget the ghosts.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:01 pmWhat a long, strange Tripp it’s been, Linda!
January 6th, 2006 at 4:01 pmthe republican implosion is nigh……can’t wait to see the fallout!
January 6th, 2006 at 4:01 pmOk…let the public HEAR thoes tapes…deal? *I don’t respond to PAID trolls…yes folks the are PAID to try..ha ha to undermind ANYONE but rightwingnuts rule.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:02 pmno, the left is claiming Bush is spying on Americans.
Comment by Tetracycline King — January 6, 2006 @ 3:32 pm
Many bloggers now have told you what the difference is between this and the secret wiretapping, yet you keep holding on to your strawman. You sound a tad paranoid by now, clinging on to your delusions of persecution.
Bottom line. He is spying on terrorists without a warrant and four courts have said that is legal.
What four courts? Please provide links, sources, evidence to support your assertion.
But, it just goes to show where the left’s priorities are - spy on Americans you don’t like is fine. Spy on terrorists (without a warrant) is a violation of civil rights.
This proves what your priorities are: Trolling a progressive blog to fill it with your paranoid rants, and strawman arguments instead of demanding accountability from your government & representatives.
You will make it very easy for the GOP majority to put a nix on whatever witch hunt you were hoping for.
“Witch hunt”? How can you characterise the prosecution of corrupt politicians as a “witch hunt”?
This news must have really rattled you since you are spending so much energy, time, and emotions defending the indefensible.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:03 pm#74,
Whoever pays THESE trolls should get a
January 6th, 2006 at 4:03 pmrefund.
It’s not that I’m unpatriotic. The founders of our country did not trust any government — either that of George III or an uncontrolled democracy. That’s why we have the Bill of Rights to protect American citizens from their own government — by demanding, for example, that “Congress shall make no law abridging the right of free speech.’’
In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries in Europe several philosophers proposed the concept of “natural rights,” rights belonging to a person by nature and because he was a human being, not by virtue of his citizenship in a particular country or membership in a particular religious or ethnic group. This concept was vigorously debated and rejected by some philosophers as baseless. Others saw it as a formulation of the underlying principle on which all ideas of citizens’ rights and political and religious liberty were based.
In the late 1700s two revolutions occurred which drew heavily on this concept. In 1776 most of the British colonies in North America proclaimed their independence from the British Empire in a document which still stirs feelings, and debate, the U.S. Declaration of Independence.
We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
and the basis for abolition of Death Penalties in Europe
To protect us from evil goverments Like Bush
January 6th, 2006 at 4:04 pmCan even the right wingers understand what they are argueing over ???
What a long, strange Tripp it’s been, Linda!
That may be the funniest one today. Thanks.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:04 pm#71,
Ghosts, don’t forget the ghosts.
Comment by afterthought — January 6, 2006 @ 4:01 pm
You mean like in ‘Caspar the Friendly’, and dead Grandma telling John Edwards where she hid the treasure map to the family fortune?
January 6th, 2006 at 4:05 pm#79,
I read something about 20% of Americans believing
January 6th, 2006 at 4:09 pmin ghosts. I’m not sure if it was Caspar or just
run of the mill old house ghosts.
I wonder if the same bunch believes in all
paranormal or if different people believe
in ghosts and others in spoon-benders.
GOP party implosion.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:16 pm#80,
I read something about 20% of Americans believing
in ghosts. I’m not sure if it was Caspar or just
run of the mill old house ghosts.
I wonder if the same bunch believes in all
paranormal or if different people believe
in ghosts and others in spoon-benders.
Comment by afterthought — January 6, 2006 @ 4:09 pm
I have to wonder if it even matters… if just believing in ghosts is enough in itself? :)
Funny how it’s usually around that 20% mark, huh?
January 6th, 2006 at 4:18 pmHeres why I love Think Progress:
I check it thoughout the day and the news stories are very relevant. I hear the same topics being discussed on NPR and other news sources. Then I go to Right wing sites when I need a good laugh, such as Free Republic and they are all getting worked up over two dudes kissing in Mexico. Its hilarious how mad they get too.Right wingers have completely detached themselves from current events, you out of sight out of mind.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:23 pmI wonder what number of the population marries their own sisters. Do you think it is 20%?
I wonder what number of the population thinks they have been abducted by aliens. 20%?
I wonder how many of the people in the US believe in Big Foot. Maybe 20%?
We really need to create a place for all those people to hang out together. We could call it Bushlandia and George Bush could be their king. They could all rob and steal from each other and nobody would have to go to jail, because they all do it.
Ahhh, the republican utopian.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:24 pm#7 Are you so ignorant that you can’t tell the difference? You have listening to Rush. Isn’t that fat cow hard to listen to? He has that gasp every once in a while from the smoking and has trouble coming up with words. He isn’t very articulate and uses childlike names for those he doesn’t like. You should listen to NPR and get actual fair and balanced reports. And, the journalists are MUCH more articulate.
I know, you don’t care how smart someone is as long as they say what you like, but really, spread out a bit. Hell, I listened to Rush today. It was some crazy stuff. For about 3 minutes, he had one of those pain pill hazes. I know of which I speak, I have seen it many many times, he is still on the dope. So, listen with a grain of salt. You do know he is high, right? Just lettin ya know.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:24 pmHow many ways can NeD say the left is bad and immoral? Dunno, keeps trying though.
You know trolls, when you come here to try to convince us all that we are just great, your attitude drives us away. If you want to sway people to the dark side, do what your heros do and pay us. Give us some of that good ole backscratchin’ buddy.
Or, like we say down here in the South, you catch more flys with honey than with vinegar. Think about it. If you are here as a missionary of the right wing to recruit subjects, play it a little better. Geez, can’t you guys do anything right?
January 6th, 2006 at 4:33 pmThe same Republicans who are saying that Bush’s warrantless domestic wiretaps are okay, will be the first ones if they are implicated by the Cunningham wiretaps to scream foul and assert every constitutional challenge they can make to throw the wiretap evidence out.
Republicans generally believe in selective use of the protections of the Constitution.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:39 pmWe really need to create a place for all those people to hang out together. We could call it Bushlandia and George Bush could be their king. They could all rob and steal from each other and nobody would have to go to jail, because they all do it.
Ahhh, the republican utopian.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — January 6, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
I think they’d all be blind by the end of the first week - because you know how much they love their eye for an eye capital punishment…
Scary, I just did the math and that 20% is like 60 million people!
January 6th, 2006 at 4:39 pmMaybe somewhere somehow people will realize pay to play is dead. It cannot withstand the power of internet connectivity and interactive news.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:45 pm
January 6th, 2006 at 4:47 pmWASHINGTON (Reuters) - About two dozen Republicans have promised to sign a petition calling for elections to permanently replace Rep. Tom DeLay as majority leader in the U.S. House of Representatives, aides said on Friday.
The trolls! lol
January 6th, 2006 at 4:55 pmMan they are so worried …this would be funnier if it wasn’t MY country that is being destroyed by a fascist regime.
By the way wasn’t it “Garden variety ghosts”
Anyway, glad to see there are some people who still walk this earth whose heads are not up their butts.
Great news… Can’t wait to see how many slimebags are consumed by this Cunningham thing…
Trolls get a clue you are are an embarrasment to human kind….You are proof we evovlved from apes…at least some of us evolved anyway.
I read something about 20% of Americans believing
in ghosts. I’m not sure if it was Caspar or just
run of the mill old house ghosts.
I wonder if the same bunch believes in all
paranormal or if different people believe
in ghosts and others in spoon-benders.
Comment by afterthought — January 6, 2006 @ 4:09 pm
I have to wonder if it even matters… if just believing in ghosts is enough in itself? :)
Funny how it’s usually around that 20% mark, huh?
Comment by unbelievable — January 6, 2006 @ 4:18 pm
Wondering how this got on the subject of ghosts, but i’ll bite LOL
I have done “paranormal investigations” for years. It is like a side hobby of mine. I am the skeptic of the little group I work with. Professionally, I am
currently a computer geek, engineering and physics background as well. I usually debunk most sites that we go to, but there is that small percentage that I have caught things on tape, video, that I could not debunk, orbs of light moving through a room, objects moving by themselves, mist forming in a closed room then moving across the room. Weird stuff like that. I have a collection of 45 tapes , taken over the last 8 years with stuff I or no expert that has looked at can explain away.
Do I believe it is ghosts? No,im still a skeptic. I still think alot of it is natural phenominon that has not been explained yet.
My point here is that there is alot to this world that science has not explained yet.
Note: One of my colleges sic’d Fox network on me a few years ago, telling them of the video I have, which has never been released publicly. They wanted to use my video for one of their ghost shows, I refused because of their questionable statements on such show in cases I personally knew about. Dare I say lies, to exagerate the facts?
I will probably release a dvd myself at some point, on my own terms, including some debunked cases along with ones I couldn’t debubk. iMovie and idvd rule=)
Do I believe it is ghosts? No, im still a skeptic. I still think alot of it is natural phenominon that has not been explained yet.
January 6th, 2006 at 4:59 pmMy point again,there is lot to this ol world science still cannot explain, yet…..
The modern day Republican Party. The Party of rats and snitches.
It is starting to look like the scene in Goodfellaz when the Lufthansa heist crew started cutting their losses.
Cue the soundtrack to Eric Clapton’s Leila.
-GSD
January 6th, 2006 at 5:24 pmDo I believe it is ghosts? No, im still a skeptic. I still think alot of it is natural phenominon that has not been explained yet.
My point again,there is lot to this ol world science still cannot explain, yet…..
Comment by Wayne — January 6, 2006 @ 4:59 pm
Yeah, that’s a problem with the death thing of our existences… we won’t be around when they do. And I do believe that if we manage not to blow the planet to shreds, they will eventually figure it out.
January 6th, 2006 at 5:24 pmFish Fry, I like that. Sounds like a good old boy get together, just the sort that’s needed to take down all of the sweetheart deals, no bid contracts and backroom scamming that seems to rule DC at the moment. I just hope they don’t take the fish out of the pan, till they’re well done, and flake off one bit at a time.
January 6th, 2006 at 5:40 pmDictatorships always wiretap and snoop on their so-called friends first, so do not act surprised that Republicans spy on each other, and that President Bush wiretaps Sen. McCain and Sen. Lieberman to make sure they are loyal, so NOT bad-mouthing him in private! Hitler wiretapped all his buddies, so did Stalin in Soviet Union, so did Pinochet in Chile!
January 6th, 2006 at 6:19 pmHe wore a wire as part of his plea-deal! These guys really are mafioso. Look back to the thread of January 3 on TP where Delay and Abramoff are hugging (checking each other for wires?)
January 6th, 2006 at 6:31 pm#7 Gary, if they didn’t get a warrant (and a reason is needed to obtain one), it would be thrown out of court. Of course they got a warrant!
January 6th, 2006 at 6:34 pmI hate to tell all you mis-informed trolls this, but you are so stupid, someone has to.
No court order or warrant of any kind is needed by the FBI or the justice department to put a wire on a willing participant involved in a criminal case. It is not illegal and the tapes can be used in court.
Of course the pukes who believe it is allright to tap everyones phone will scream to high heavan and try every manuever known to man to keep the wiretap evidence out of court.
Cunningham is not the only one out there with a wire, bet you ten to one that Abramoff has agreed to wear one also. It could get him a big reduction in sentence, say from 10 years down to 2 years.
January 6th, 2006 at 7:02 pmwore a wire to help investigators gather evidence against others just before copping his own plea.
Ha! What goes around comes around.
A lot of canabalism going on in the GOP…
Did you hear? The GOP ate Tom Delay.
Impeach Bush and Cheney for being gluttens.
January 6th, 2006 at 10:09 pmIs it possible that Rep. Bob Ney is wearing a wire as we speak ? Or maybe DeLay ? I can see it now, Congressman all around the Capitol building asking other Congessman to open both sides of their coat before speaking.
January 6th, 2006 at 10:53 pmTetracycline king,
Nice name, sounds like you have a chronic problem with those hookers you visit.
January 7th, 2006 at 12:39 amThe Right are now resorting to defenses such as, “We are in charge anyway”.
Seen it in a few recent blogs here. Thats like saying “I’m gonna take my ball and go home, because you won’t let me cheat”.
Pretty pathetic.
Right wingers are lucky that when tides turn, as they always do, we won’t be such assholes to them as they are being currently.
January 7th, 2006 at 12:43 amTetracycline King,
New name, same old crap, what was your previous name again?
Breakin’ out the Nazi talking point, the “we are in charge” talking point. You sound really familiar. Do you have the ability to think on your own and come up with a real talking point? You decided to change your name, looked at that bottle of antibiotics your taking, and presto! new name. Try Cipro for that infection, Tetracycline isn’t working.
January 7th, 2006 at 12:49 amAt least there are a handful of Wingers that have the intelligence to take on talking points on this blog, most are REALLY dumb. Have you read right wing blogs, the IQ is kicked down a few standard deviations, with stupid advertisements and garbage.
January 7th, 2006 at 12:52 amworld wide anti war rally on march 18&19 send the kids to college not combat george
January 7th, 2006 at 9:17 amI doubt there’s much evidence that anybody other than Cunningham broke the law
Comment by Gary Ruppert
Fairy Pookbut #7
Creating his own reality since the day he was born…
January 7th, 2006 at 1:04 pmATTENTION: Bushite Repugliscum,
Keep your shorts and skirts on. It appears word of Cunningham’s impending cooperation w/investigators reached the repugliscum legislators in congress and their rogue arms dealers…’er defense contractors in time. They all from that moment on used the super secret inbred hand signals to communicate…
No video surveillance was used…
January 7th, 2006 at 1:11 pmme like!
January 7th, 2006 at 10:13 pmAre you kidding me? you doubt if any one els has there hand in the cookie jar? if you believe that I have ocean view property in Arizona to sell you. Do you talk to parking meters also? I bet they answer.What a crock of crap this is the most corupt administration since Harding was in office.
January 8th, 2006 at 2:50 pm