NYT’s spying whistleblower revealed.
By on Jan 10th, 2006 at 11:12 pm
NYT’s spying whistleblower revealed.
Says he is “prepared to tell Congress all he knows about the alleged wrongdoing in these programs”; believes “the number of Americans subject to eavesdropping by the NSA could be in the millions.”
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Impeach now!
January 10th, 2006 at 11:22 pmJust as the article says, they will try to say that this guy is crazy and it will all be pushed under the rug. I hope it does not happen, but I can see it comming.
Hopefully though, this may allow others who feel that this is wrong to step up. Let’s hope anyway.
January 10th, 2006 at 11:48 pmI think the Republicans are just really good at “reframing” issues to their advantage. You know, if I ask you to “don’t think of a red stop sign,” what do you have to do to understand my statement? Think of a red stop sign of course. Now, they will try to frame this guy as a crazy and psychologically imbalanced, and I hope someone comes up with a good reframe.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:08 amWouldn’t it be great to see all those NSA guys outside their offices with protest signs? They’d have to spy on themselves.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:15 amHe’ll be framed as a traitor, because, after all, the Plamegate leakers are supposed to be traitors: “double standard, liberals let traitors get away with treachery” that’s what will happen.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:15 amSo, he’s come clean. When will W? When will Karl? When will Dick? When will Condi? When will Rummy?
January 11th, 2006 at 12:28 amNSAgate 2: Tice> as Nice
January 11th, 2006 at 12:39 amThe NSA Scandal Document Center features:
January 11th, 2006 at 12:55 am- latest Bush spying scandal news
- important DOJ memos
- FISA, War Powers Resolution and other key laws
- Supreme Court cases
- relevant Constitutional provisions
The NSA whistleblower, Russell Tice, gave a long on-air interview with Democracy Now last week. Listen/Watch here.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:56 amYou make a call, criticize the government, say a key word, get a visit the next day from your friendly neighborhood stormtrooper wanting to ask you a few questions about who you associate with. Maybe they’ll let you go with a warning. Maybe they’ll take you somewhere to be further interrogated. Maybe they’ll just hold you indefinitely because they can.
Welcome to the new America. Land of the free and home of the brave. Not any more!
January 11th, 2006 at 1:41 amWe haven’t lost yet Mr. Evil. Impeachment is just around the corner. Notice how Bubble boy is on the defensive about everything these days? He knows his days in the White House are numbered.
I give him 6 months max.
January 11th, 2006 at 1:53 amFortunately, it’s impossible to commit treason against an illegitimate ruler.
Go, Whistleblowers, go!
January 11th, 2006 at 3:09 amAll that I have to say, and it is most heartfelt is, Holy F’ing Shit! And I mean that with the most emphasis that you can imagine, Holy F’ing Shit!
January 11th, 2006 at 4:33 amWhere are those who said that only were spyed the terrorists? So there are milions of terrorists in the USA? Isn’t that a failure of the “fight there to not fight here” policy? What need of hidding have the terrorists? They can even create their own city or state, let’s call it New Mecca. Maybe the next President would be a shiite one, if gets enough votes, and if we trust NSA, they have. Welcome to the USA, everybody can thrive if works hard enough!
January 11th, 2006 at 6:07 amAdd the 4th Amendment violation to these:
Violation of 18 U.S. Code 371: Conspiracy to Defraud the United States
Violation of Public Law No. 93-148: The War Powers Resolution
Violation of 31 U.S. Code 1301: The Misuse of Government Funds
Violation of 18 U.S. Code 2339: The Anti-Torture Statute
Violation of 18 U.S. Code 2441: The War Crimes Act
Violation of the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and 1977 (Conventions III and IV)
Violation of the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict
Violation of the UN Convention Against Torture, Cruel, Inhuman, and Degrading Treatment
Violation of the legal principle of Command Responsibility
Violation of 5 U.S. Code 2302: The Whistleblowers Protection Act
Violation of 5 U.S. Code 7211: The Lloyd-La Follette Act (protecting government employees who whistleblow to Congress)
Violation of 18 U.S.C. 1513: Retaliating Against Witnesses
Obstructing Congress
Failure to comply with Executive Order 12958 (protecting classified intel)
The documentation is now on the table, contained within Rep. John Conyers’ 173 page report on Bush administration crimes. And it’s not a complete list!
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/5769
The people who get off on the defeatism may have to find a new emotional dodge. Bush is on his way DOWN.
January 11th, 2006 at 6:15 amHELP!!!!!
January 11th, 2006 at 6:40 amHi everyone!
Off topic, but I need your help – you guys are really good with finding all kind of links.
I’m having an argument with someone on another blog regarding “casualties of war”.
I want her/him to check out photos of REAL victims of war and I know there has been a blog by, I believe, an Iraqi reporter but I cannot find that anymore.
Does any of you have any good links that I could direct him/her to?
Thanks in advance.
rgds
Sylvia
I’m hoping the Dems shield this guy with all the power they can muster. The public must also make it clear to the criminal bushite junta that trying to vilify and personally destroy this guy will only have a blowback effect. He*l somebody in congress ought to give him a medal!
January 11th, 2006 at 7:59 am#17 Here (beware, VERY graphic!)
True casualties of Iraq.
January 11th, 2006 at 8:01 amYou make a call, criticize the government, say a key word, get a visit the next day from your friendly neighborhood stormtrooper wanting to ask you a few questions about who you associate with.
Comment by Mr. Evil #10
Not so, not yet anyway. I’ve sent some doozies to Bushiva at president@whitehouse.gov and L’il Dick too, and haven’t had anyone come to ??? me directly. Although I have had a flurry of “cable guys” visit to “install” new filtering on my pole outside.
Are we being watched, he*l yeah!
January 11th, 2006 at 8:11 amHopefully this traitor can be arrested and brought to justice for aiding and comforting our enemies.
January 11th, 2006 at 8:19 amFunny you should say that, Gary (#21), because I was just hoping I could get a name so I could send the guy a note of thanks. You’re the one who needs comforting, my mis-guided friend!
January 11th, 2006 at 8:25 amSo Gary,
January 11th, 2006 at 8:31 amDo you think Zawahiri is comfortable and “aided”? Or what about the one in Iraq? It’s incompetent people like you who can’t catch the bad guys. The ultimate in “aiding the enemy”, I’d say.
Hopefully this traitor can be arrested and brought to justice for aiding and comforting our enemies.
Comment by Gary Ruppert #21
Scary Pookbutt,
That patriotic american to whom you are referring is ten times the man I am (can’t compare him to you because you’re a scum sucking, Bushite, parasite)…
I pray we (progressives) take back the house and senate with the Patriot Act in full force so that we can use it to find traitors like you Pookbutt…
I’d like to personally throw your unevolved, dumb a*s into the Atlantic (twenty miles out) and watch you swim towards England (where your King and Queen await)…
January 11th, 2006 at 9:00 amHopefully this traitor can be arrested and brought to justice for aiding and comforting our enemies.
Comment by Gary Ruppert
My fellow conservative, Gary, has every right to be pissed.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Gary you should be more concerned that the government knows about all the calls to the sexcall lines you have been making over the years.
Silly boy.
January 11th, 2006 at 9:15 amThis will be a slightly off-topic post, but also kind of on-topic with the whole they’ll say this or that to discredit him.
We all know Rush and Hannity and all the other freaks are going to paint him and everyone else coming out as anti-american. I was wondering if anyone knows of a blog/website around that follows the crazy cons (if they can shorten liberals to libs, i’m sure as hell gonna call conservatives cons) shows?
I’m looking, hopefully, for something that may update as the show goes along and just start pointing out their fallacies as it happens. I listen to Rush on my lunch break (during commercials on ESPN Radio) and always flip out at the crap he spews from his “formerly drug-addicted mouth.”
Thanks
January 11th, 2006 at 9:24 amHeh. What’s it take to be a shill for the liberty-usurping right wing mammon machine? I managed to wake up and get out of the republican party a few decades back when I realized where it was headed. Sadly, my worst nightmares came true anyway as we sit & watch the American dream come to an end, while the shills & corporate media cheerlead its death.
At one time, I held some optimism that the American people would be able to see the end coming and fight back, but any hope I had has been extinguished by the slide into fascism (yes, FASCISM) that we’ve been witnessing over the past number of years.
Thanks Gary, for doing the bidding of the corporatists. Even that last great Republican Dwight Eisenhower knew the “military industrial complex” was something to distrust & resist. Today’s “conservatives” are nothing more than tools. Hopefully they’ll realize it before they’re discarded and thrown into the ditch.
January 11th, 2006 at 9:28 am#27 Also that first Republican president had a warning both beautiful and frightening about how the only thing that could defeat our country would be an “evil that would spring up amongst us”.
“At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth . . . in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years. At what point, then, is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”
Vote As If It Matters, This Time It Really Does
January 11th, 2006 at 9:52 amhttp://www.maconareaonline.com/news.asp?id=8612
Hopefully this traitor can be arrested and brought to justice for aiding and comforting our enemies.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — January 11, 2006 @ 8:19 am
Gary Gary Gary,
You’re making it hard for me. I have republican friends that I have always been able to have open and honest debate with. We may differ on a few things, but they’ve always been willing to listen and consider the other viewpoint. It’s been hard for them to come to grips with the incompetence and corruption of our current administration in part because their belief in Dubya as the right man for the job was all knotted up in their faith. They never wanted to be perceived as being “against God”. Imagine that. A politician (liar and hoodwinker by trade) put up on a pedastal with God. Sad really.
Even so, my friends are coming out of the fog. Reality has set in for them. They finally realize that the Bush doctrine is a bunch of smoke and mirrors…bait and switch if you will. For years they have felt that they were a part of Bush’s base. They thought that they mattered to the conservative cause. What they have now realized is that Bush’s true base is wealthy americans. That is who benefits from this administration’s policies.
I asked my friends if they would be willing to support a democrat in office who made the exact same decisions as Bush has since 2000. It was a hard question for them to grapple with because they didn’t want to face the fact that they were guilty of putting party loyalty above love of country. That is what it boils down to.
Look around you Gary. Do you realize that the decisions being made by this administration will have consequences for generations to come? These won’t be democratic or republican consequences because we are all stuck in it together. The consequences of Bush’s environmental decisions will affect us all. The consequences of his economic policies are being felt right now (job loss, poverty, outsourcing, program cuts, refusal to negotiate prices with drug companies). The consequences of his foreign policy decisions will continue to cost us lives and money that we don’t have to throw away.
I could go on and on Gary. What concerns me is that you, and others like you, continue to cheerlead as if there is something to celebrate. What have we won Gary? What is going right? After 9-11 we had the majority of the world’s sympathy, compassion and support. That’s all gone too. When are you going to wake up and smell the corruption Gary? Are you really safer just because Bush says so. Ask yourself, which of these is most important:
Preventing this country from sliding further down the slippery slope to hell.
OR
Sticking it to those leftist liberals (who are your fellow americans).
January 11th, 2006 at 9:59 am#26 – a good start will be http://mediamatters.org/
January 11th, 2006 at 10:01 amscroll down some and find a whole list of cons…
Seems as if your hysterical panting and wailing about this places you “outside the mainstream” of the public’s opinion….
Did you see this WaPo – ABC poll?
“What do you think is more important right now – (for the federal government to investigate possible terrorist threats, even if that intrudes on personal privacy); or (for the federal government not to intrude on personal privacy, even if that limits its ability to investigate possible terrorist threats)?”
Investigate Respect No
threats privacy opin.
1/8/06 65 32 3
………………………………………..
A plurality is worried that GWB will NOT GO FAR ENOUGH because of concerns about rights…a majority believe that these warrantless intercepts are acceptable…
Your cartoonish portrayal of those who are NOT all in a lather as frightened widdle wabbits who are too ignorant to posess the intellect, the acumen of the enlightened left….now revealed as being even more marginal!
But please…keep up the shrillness and the angry calls for impeachment…I’m sure us “sheeple” will be won over by your bitter condescension if you only shriek a bit LOUDER.
January 11th, 2006 at 10:08 amIt’s become apparent that what the NSA did at the behest of bushco was to do a data mining expidition.
They didn’t want to go for warrants to the secret FICO Court because they were tapping ALL THE PHONE & E-MAIL that bounces off satellites (even those totally within the US).
If that doesn’t define tyranny or totalitarianism to some of you, you should go re-read Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World or even Animal Farm (oops). Then read up on why our founding fathers put the mechanisms in place to save us from tyranny.
gary – you don’t love america. You love some hitlerian version of it that my father, uncles & grandparents fought against in WWII. Go back to Saudi Arabia where you will be happy living with fundamentalist tyrants.
January 11th, 2006 at 10:13 amOnce again tomaig is keeping his head stuffed up his arse.
Guy, the polls we’ve seen have ALL said that the public (including republicans) is against the usertion of our rights by bushco. So why don’t you start your own blog so we can ignore you from afar. Then you can make up whatever crap you want to.
January 11th, 2006 at 10:16 am#9,that was a good link to the NSA whistleblower, Russell Tice interview. I missed Democracy Now that day. Thanks.
January 11th, 2006 at 10:42 am#5, TtT,
That’s sure what I see happening here. Another redux of the Swift Boat Veterans will find something Risen did in highschool that they will inflate and extrapolate to suit their smearing of another whistleblower. This is what they do — time and time again — to detractors from this administration — no-holds-barred, truth-be-damned, character assassination.
January 11th, 2006 at 10:43 amAnother Eisenhower quote. I’m starting to think he was more progressive than Kennedy.
January 11th, 2006 at 10:47 am
#31: Tomaig
What do you think is more important right now – (for the federal government to investigate possible terrorist threats, even if that intrudes on personal privacy); or (for the federal government not to intrude on personal privacy, even if that limits its ability to investigate possible terrorist threats)?â€
This is a strawman argument Tomaig considering that the President has the ability to investigate possible terrorist threats legally. Maybe you can give us a reason that the POTUS wants to bypass the courts. Maybe you can explain why he doesn’t want to get a warrant even 72 hours after the wiretapping has begun. The choices you have listed aren’t the only options available.
Of course I want the POTUS to do everything possible to protect this country. Let’s start with things like securing loose nuclear material, protecting chemical plants, heightened security at our harbors and borders, and stifling the cash flow of Bin Ladin’s minions. Those are genuinely effective ways of securing our safety. Our current POTUS hasn’t done any of those things, yet you believe that he’s keeping us safe by listening in on phone calls. Alrighty then.
A plurality is worried that GWB will NOT GO FAR ENOUGH because of concerns about rights…a majority believe that these warrantless intercepts are acceptable…
Please explain why the american people should be so cavalier about the rights that are granted to us? Kindly explain why we should erode our democracy in order to feel a false sense of security. I am not convinced that you aren’t simply towing the party line. If a democrat was currently in office, would you be just as supportive of him wiretapping americans without a warrant?
Your cartoonish portrayal of those who are NOT all in a lather as frightened widdle wabbits who are too ignorant to posess the intellect, the acumen of the enlightened left….now revealed as being even more marginal!
Can you not understand how cartoonish people appear when they blindly follow someone regardless of the idiocy of doing so? The POTUS hasn’t done anything to “keep us safe” except send troops to Iraq and illegally wiretap americans. If the erosion of your rights isn’t important to you, then that’s fine. However, I live in America not Russia and I will not stand by and allow any elected official (democrat or republican) to use fear to take away the basic rights guaranteed us in this country.
But please…keep up the shrillness and the angry calls for impeachment…I’m sure us “sheeple†will be won over by your bitter condescension if you only shriek a bit LOUDER.
Comment by tomaig — January 11, 2006 @ 10:08 am
Democrats aren’t the only ones angry about this Tomaig. Several prominent republicans are upset as well. They too are demanding accountability. Maybe you don’t recognize it, but Dubya and Cheney feel that the POTUS should be all powerful. He shouldn’t have to answer to the legislative or judicial branches of government. That’s called a monarchy, not a democracy. Please explain to me Tomaig why our founding father’s would flee one king, in order to create one here? You should be angry too. The fact thaat you aren’t speaks volumes.
January 11th, 2006 at 10:47 am#29, Str8Up,
Good stuff, I think your Republican friends coming out of the fog has become typical and I only hope it’s not too late.
The people that still cling to this ignorance of supporting Bush at all costs and “it’s just the liberals trying to hurt my country” are dangerous. As I’ve said before, they are no different than the Good Germans that didn’t realize what was happening to their country until it was too late. Lucky for those of us opposed to the Bush regime, we are in the majority and the grass roots aren’t going to sit idly by and allow these neo-fascists to drive us off the cliff. Much damage has already been done, but a revolution will start before things gets much worse.
January 11th, 2006 at 11:00 amStr8UpNoChaser, don’t burst poor tommy-boy-aig’s bubble! He’s got to believe that anyone who doesn’t agree with him MUST be wrong, or else all his “ditto” senses will begin to show him his hypocrisy.
Leak the name of an active CIA agent: Pres. Bush thinks it’s OK.
Leak the illegal actions by the President: Pres. Bush thinks you’re ‘aiding the enemy’.
January 11th, 2006 at 11:02 amWhat has to be done to get this matter into the courts, you know, citizen Joe vs Bush, et.al., is for someone in the NSA to leak some of the many of thousands who were wiretapped and then one or more of those to sue Bush in court.
Then the whole thing could come tumbling down on Bushlandia, otherwise, forget it. Bushlandia is not going to release any names of persons wiretapped, so it must be a leaker.
So people, make appeals to anyone you know at NSA to provide some names of people wiretapped where nothing was found. There are bound to be thousands and thousands of them.
January 11th, 2006 at 11:16 amDon’t get on any airplanes, Mr. Tice.
January 11th, 2006 at 11:21 amI think it’s safe to assume that BushCo and Abu Gonzalez (as he’s affectionately known at FDL) can find justification for anything if they leverage 9/11 and cry that tired old “we’re at war so dissent endangers our soldiers” bullshit. If there’s no evidence, they’ll create it, if they don’t have the legal authority they’ll ignore the law or change it.
Cliche’s are cliche’s because they’re true: absolute power corrupts absolutely.
January 11th, 2006 at 11:29 amI’m sure us “sheeple†will be won over by your bitter condescension if you only shriek a bit LOUDER.
Comment by tomaig #31
no one wants to “win you over”,
we want to “rub you out”, Bushite pig fu*ker…
January 11th, 2006 at 11:37 amHe gave $100 to John Kerry!!!!!!
January 11th, 2006 at 11:43 am“He gave $100 to John Kerry!!!!!!”
Which can only mean one thing: he’s sane. Attempts by the Bushies to paint him as unstable be damned!
January 11th, 2006 at 11:46 amImpeach the bastards!
January 11th, 2006 at 11:53 amYour cartoonish portrayal of those who are NOT all in a lather as frightened widdle wabbits who are too ignorant to posess the intellect, the acumen of the enlightened left….
Wrong. You support illegal wiretapping precisely because you are fwightened widdle wabbits. I’m sick of people in Podunk, Missouri talking about how scared they are of terrorism. Shut up. Let those of us who actually live in and around targets decide the policy.
These dumb hicks elected Bush, and in nine months we had the worst attack ever. And now they think this same guy is going to protect us?
January 11th, 2006 at 11:58 amHey Bush, where’s yer ol’ pal Usama? Oh, I guess he’s not important anymore. They just trot out some supposed video of him from time to time to give us the “booga booga” treatment. Sadly, it seems to work.
Looks like Bush hit the trifecta with 9/11. The gift that just keeps on giving.
Personally, it makes me physically ill to realize that these b@st@rds continue to use that tragedy to further their political agenda.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:06 pm‘Data mining’. Do any of you trust that the NSA is capable of interpreting ‘data mining’ results any better than comprehending intelligence leading up to the war in Iraq? Data mining results can be very dangerous in the wrong hands. The old saying ‘correlation is not causation’ really applies here. As someone in IT for over 30 years I’m am very frightened by this whole NSA project as should everyone on in the country.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:14 pmConforting the enemies – what a weak line. Nobody is buying the one liners anymore, Mr. Youngman.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:18 pmGave $100? Really stupid line – I work for a staunch Dem and he gives to repubs all the time. It is business.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:20 pmHopefully this traitor can be arrested and brought to justice for aiding and comforting our enemies.
Comment by Gary Ruppert — January 11, 2006 @ 8:19 am
When you refer to This Traitor, I am assuming that you are referring to yourself. Why? Because you seem to endorse violating the consitution and the laws of our land. What could give the enemy more comfort than knowing that America as it once was is being torn apart from the inside by the ruling party. That must truely make Osama and company smile with delight. What sort of punishment do you envision for your self and the rest of your kind?
January 11th, 2006 at 1:26 pmI’m sure us “sheeple†will be won over by your bitter condescension if you only shriek a bit LOUDER.
Comment by tomaig #31
no one wants to “win you overâ€,
we want to “rub you outâ€, Bushite pig fu*ker…
Comment by big papa — January 11, 2006 @ 11:37 am
>>>Thanks for giving a shining example of “bitter condescension”!
January 11th, 2006 at 1:39 pmJihad
Jihad
jihad
Jihad
Enjoy, NSA
January 11th, 2006 at 3:34 pmPS: How many times did the 9/11 planners use the word “jihad?”
They said “the match is on tomorrow” etc
Just one more way the Bush administration is THROWING AWAY YOUR TAX DOLLARS.
Trillions. That’s thousands of millions of dollars. Wasted.
I can’t believe what’s happening to America. We are LOST.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:37 pmElectric Bass Player,
They’ll be at your door tomorrow you keep that up.
Heck, that post alone probably got you put on the no-fly list.
(but it was funny…)
January 11th, 2006 at 4:13 pmIf there isn’t already, there should a corollary to Godmin’s law about denigrating the patriotism of the person you are debating.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:43 pmOoops, meant Godwin.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:43 pmwell we got 114 now to impeach Blair we need 200 gonna be here soon …the link in the chain is gonna break …How you americans getting on with bush impeached …can i track progress anywhere like this link
http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=29437&SESSION=875
January 11th, 2006 at 6:08 pm