VIDEO: Kennedy Calls Specter’s Bluff
VIDEO: Kennedy Calls Specter’s Bluff
This morning, Sens. Arlen Specter and Ted Kennedy sparred over Kennedy’s request to subpoena documents related to the Concerned Alumni of Princeton.
Specter insisted, on multiple occassions, that he had never received a letter from Kennedy, and used that point to disregard the request. “If it’s really a matter of importance — you and I see each other all the time — you’ve never mentioned it to me, and I do not ascribe a great deal of weight [to it],” Specter said.
Except Kennedy had sent a letter, and Specter’s office not only received it, but issued a response to Kennedy’s office. Watch Kennedy call Specter’s bluff:
UPDATE: Specter admits he discussed Kennedy’s letter in a phone call with his Chief-of-Staff. He rejected the request then but said if it was really important Kennedy should have mentioned it to him at the gym. (Kennedy explained he hasn’t been to the gym since before Christmas.) Specter has now agreed to get the records.
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Just once I’d love to hear, “My Esteemed colleague, the honorable Senator from the Great State of Pennsylvania, is full of SH*T”
January 11th, 2006 at 3:00 pmThe text of Kennedy’s letter is at DailyKos.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:01 pmspecter…hmmm…a james bond bad guy. Now resign because you FAKED YOUR MEMORY…repub scum.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:07 pmGOP Talking point #1 for this thread…Ted is huge of course he didn’t go to the gym, if you support Kennedy, you support laziness, and not being physically fit!
January 11th, 2006 at 3:10 pmI can’t wait for the trolls to weigh in on this.
If it was a D blocking a R’s request for a subpoena, I’m sure it would be hailed as a major issue.
Since it was an R blocking a D’s request, lets hear them tell us about how minor and ineffectual this issue is to everything.
Interesting how R’s get all up in a huff when they’re blocked, but when it’s a D: “Move along, nothing to see here.”
January 11th, 2006 at 3:10 pmMeanwhile, the BBC reports (haven’t seen it in US papers) that Israel has punished radical fundamentalist cleric Pat Robertson where it hurts… in his pocket book.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:13 pmA REAL AMERICAN: A lone vessel, bearing truth in an angry, ugly sea of liberal lies and spin. Look here, people. Specter is the chairman of that commitee, and a devout liberal. Being the devout liberal that he is, he is Ted Kennedy’s best friend. They go to the gym all the time, remember? By dropping dimes on Specter in the middle of a Senate hearing, all Kennedy did is make himself look like the blithering ass that he truly is. Let us face the inevitable truth: ALITO IS GOING TO BE CONFIRMED. All this posturing and lying by the morons (i.e. Dem Senators) on the Judicial Committee isn’t going to amount to jack shit. All they are doing is trying to pander to their lobbyist, and their base, so that they can raise some more money for their election funds. They should really stop wasting Alito’s time.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:14 pmWhoops… let’s try that link again…
Meanwhile, the BBC reports (haven’t seen it in US papers) that Israel has punished radical fundamentalist cleric Pat Robertson where it hurts… in his pocket book.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:16 pmHow do they get any work done while their pants are in flames???
January 11th, 2006 at 3:17 pmGOP Talking point #1 for this thread…Ted is huge of course he didn’t go to the gym, if you support Kennedy, you support laziness, and not being physically fit!
Comment by Chris in AZ — January 11, 2006 @ 3:10 pm
Exactly what part of Dennis Hastert’s ample ass are you unaware of?
January 11th, 2006 at 3:18 pm#7: Can we make a rule that when you accuse someone of lying that you back it up with evidence? Is it especially difficult to see here that Specter is the one doing the lying?
January 11th, 2006 at 3:21 pmWhy are all the trolls trying to hammer in the idea that Alito is a sure thing and we should all just forget about it?
January 11th, 2006 at 3:23 pm#11-
January 11th, 2006 at 3:25 pmObviously, Specter considered the source of the letter, and then discounted the request. I mean, would you respond to someone’s letter, request, correspondence, etc., if you knew that the sender was a FAT, LIBERAL, BIASED, MURDERING, POLITICAL HACK like Ted Kennedy? The man isn’t worth considering.
#12-
January 11th, 2006 at 3:26 pmBecause he IS a sure thing. A lock. The man’s credentials are impeccable. All this spin, false accusations, and lies by liberals like you will not stop the Senate from confirming him.
I can’t wait for the trolls to weigh in on this.
Comment by Democrat Soldier —
Weigh in! Get it? Especially right after Chris’ comment on what trolls would say!
You didn’t know you were funny, did you? :)
January 11th, 2006 at 3:27 pmEverybody keep in mind that the trolls said that Harriet Miers would be a shoe in.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:28 pmTrolls,
January 11th, 2006 at 3:30 pmAll you have are fat jokes on Kennedy.
Alito is not a done deal.
Most REAL AMERICANS like me are actually praying that the Dems try to filibuster Alito. Then, we can finally put that issue to rest once and for all by eliminating it altogether. You best believe we have the votes for THAT.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:30 pm#16-
Harriet Miers would have been confirmed eventually, if the Prez hadn’t forced her to step aside. Truthfully, she made all us REAL AMERICANS a little nervous. We don’t want another Suter.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:32 pmA real American? Real Americans do not start wars and lie to the American public. They do not spy without a warrant. If you consider Bush “presidential” you still have a lot to learn.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:35 pmREAL AMERICAN
January 11th, 2006 at 3:35 pmThe problem with you is that you are in the minority of Real Americans who support anything that Bush does. In other words a stupid, clueless moron. As for the filibuster, if you can’t use it, it’s dead already.
Most REAL AMERICANS like me are actually praying that the Dems try to filibuster Alito. Then, we can finally put that issue to rest once and for all by eliminating it altogether. You best believe we have the votes for THAT.
Let me translate this for you, RA, to make your point clearer: Most REAL AMERICANS want to eliminate the democratic process altogether and appoint Bush the new king and the republican party his surrounding plutocracy. And – lacking any understanding of history – they also want to see the gradual eradication of individual rights and government that benefits any but the very wealthy.
Let me know if I can help out any more.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:36 pm#19 – But, didn’t Pres. Bush say that Harriet was eminently qualified to be a Justice? Sorta what he said abou Alito?
Interesting how you can ignore the excesses of the current administration when they don’t dove-tail with your preconcieved notions of what a “real American” would do.
I served in the US Army to support the Constitution and the right to free speech. Even for numb-skulls that have sick & twisted political beliefs, like yours.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:37 pm#16-
That being said, I think it is interesting who REALLY has the power in this country. Miers would have been confirmed. The only reason why she wasn’t was because REAL AMERICANS put enough pressure on the Prez that he axed her. The Dems were powerless to stop her. Just like they are powerless and impotent now to stop Alito.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:37 pmOnly a republican would consider a racist bigot as being a ‘lock’ with impeccable credentials. Poor things, republicans seem to hate so easily, and think so rarely.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:38 pm#22 – Wouldn’t it be interesting if the R’s got rid of the filibuster, and then when the D’s take back the majority, they’d have to live with their actions?
Oh, sorry. My fault. The “party of personal responsibility” doesn’t believe in taking responsibility for their actions.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:39 pm#20-
Are you actually still spewing the “Bush lied” bullshit? Get with the times, dude. He went with what he had, just like the Congress.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:39 pmSURREAL AMERIKAN: Thank God that real americans believe in freedom, democracy, and open and honest debate. Lest we fall into the state that you feel comfortable in, where lies are acceptible, corruption is expected, and dissent is forbidden. I suggest that you build yourself a time machine so that you can go back to the 1930’s. I understand there was a country then that would LOVE to have “loyal” citizens like you.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:40 pmMiers was a crony, and after Katrina cons knew if Miers went through they’d lose by even bigger margins in November, ’cause Real Americans know incompetance and cronyism when it bites them on the ass, (as it did during Katrina)
January 11th, 2006 at 3:42 pmHasn’t the New York Times already done a story about CAP back in November? Didn’t the reporter look at the same materials Kennedy is now wanting? Why is it the NYT can get a hold of this material but Sen. Kennedy cannot? Is this request for a subpeona just grandstanding by Kennedy, or is he really serious?
Just wondering.
Later,
January 11th, 2006 at 3:43 pmBush’s lies are proven, only the unwilligness of a republican congress stands in the way of his impeachment.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:43 pm#26
Thanks for serving. REAL AMERICANS appreciate your service, unlike the rest of the anti-military, John Kerry and Jane Fonda fans who usually troll these blogs. As for “when the Dems take back the majority”, it will never happen. As long as you have Dean, Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, and the like as the mouth-pieces for your party, all your “soldiering” will be in vain. Go independent. It is your best hope.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:44 pm“Are you actually still spewing the “Bush lied†bullshit? Get with the times, dude. He went with what he had, just like the Congress.”
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11,
He cooked what intel he had to make the case, simpleton.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:44 pmA Real American:
January 11th, 2006 at 3:44 pmSo are you arab, asian, black, hispanic, european, gay, straitght, liberal, conservative all at once. A real american are all these things, not those who share your twisted, ego filled, hate spreading ideals and hypocracy…enough said to the troll…regarding the Alito nominations: prepare for Bush’s third term
Can we IMPEACH lying Spector?
At least he needs to RESIGN!
January 11th, 2006 at 3:45 pm#30-
Good call, Cicero. That is probably why Specter blew him off, the dolt.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:45 pmSpecter is like most republican spectacles, he lies so easily and without remorse that it makes you wonder if it’s compulsive, or maybe the result of all of those years of brainwashing from the book of fairy tales that most religious people in this country read from. Maybe the talking donkey in the bible told him it was okay to lie.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:45 pmMy God these wingnuts are breathtakingly ignorant. Impeach them AND sterilize them.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:45 pmTime to start ignoring REAL AMERICAN. He’s just on the troll shift for the RNC.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:46 pmKENNEDY: CAP publishes a magazine called Prospect. There was an article way back in 1983 that says
bLacks, hispanics and asians are demanding jobs…hickup
FEINSTEIN: Finish the last line.
KENNEDY: Hickup…the last line…and homosexuals demand the right to bear children…hickup
FEINSTEIN: Finish the last line!
KENNEDY: What? Oh, the last line.
FEINSTEIN: Here comes the good part. The last line. About the women.
KENNEDY: Oh yes. The women. Judge Alito. Does Princeton have hot women.
Senator Biden says they do and he would be very concerned if his son didn’t take interest in them.
FEINSTEIN. The last line!!!!
KENNEDY: If the senator will let me just…
FEINSTEIN: Yes, I will…
(LAUGHTER)
FEINSTEIN: No, And now here come women.
KENNEDY: Where?
KENNEDY: Can I get two more minutes from my friend from…
(LAUGHTER)
Just to continue along. I apologize, Judge. Did you read this article?
ALITO: Senator, I’ve never read that maga…
KENNEDY: Well, could you think of any context that they could be…
ALITO: Hard to imagine. If that’s what anybody was endorsing, I disagree with all of that. I would
never endorse it. I never have endorsed it. Had I thought that that’s what this organization stood
for I would never associate myself with it in any way.
KENNEDY: We need a soopeener into these magazines articles that you haven’t read!!! Now Senator
Feinstein, where are the…hickup…women?
January 11th, 2006 at 3:47 pmSpecter is the chairman of that commitee, and a devout liberal. Being the devout liberal that he is, he is Ted Kennedy’s best friend. They go to the gym all the time, remember?
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 3:14 pm
Obviously, Specter considered the source of the letter, and then discounted the request. I mean, would you respond to someone’s letter, request, correspondence, etc., if you knew that the sender was a FAT, LIBERAL, BIASED, MURDERING, POLITICAL HACK like Ted Kennedy? The man isn’t worth considering.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 3:25 pm
A “REAL” AMERICAN: You should at least try to keep your stories straight. Your hysterical rants and discombobulations make no sense, not to mention they contradict each other.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:48 pmcalifornia_reality_check,
Well the wingnuts are raised on fairy tales and propaganda, how can we expect them to live in the real world as adults? It’s just way too much to ask of them. That’s why you get crooks like Abramoff being able to sell out america, and republican delusion artists just going right along. It’s so sad to see that they could be so controlled by their fear and fantasies – but there you are. Anything to defeat abortion – something that isn’t even illegal by their own religion, yet they’re too stupid to realize.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:48 pmAre there any other physically distinguishing factors than the a__hole in this evoulutionary improved spiecies “Real american”
January 11th, 2006 at 3:48 pmCicero,
The answer to your question is: Rules of evidence.
If any government was STUPID enough to allow printed heresay as evidence then, let’s say, a newspaper could print a story based upon bogus information and then the government would use that as a basis to go to war. Oh yeah, that’s right, there are government officials that are that incompetent.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:49 pm“As long as you have Dean, Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, and the like as the mouth-pieces for your party, all your “soldiering†will be in vain. Go independent. It is your best hope. ”
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11,
Abramoff and Rove. The death of your “majority” – but have a nice day.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:49 pm#34-
Actually, I am a middle-class, conservative, christian. In other words, I am representative of the vast majority of the people in this country. I am tolerant of every race, gender, color, and creed. The only thing I am intolerant of is elitist liberal democrats like you, who are trying to undermine the morals and ethics of this great nation.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:49 pmGregor, great point.
Yeah, how is it specter is according to the doctor killing rightwingers simultaneously a liberal, and yet discounts liberal sources because they’re liberal again? Isn’t that a little contradictory?
January 11th, 2006 at 3:50 pm#32 – Yeah, and the D’s thought the R’s would never regain the majority. That was when they did.
Go ahead and believe the lies that you have a choke-hold on tha majority. I’m sure you won’t be too offended when the pendulum swings back, and the R’s are in the minority.
That’s what this country is all about: clearing out the majority when they get fat & lazy and become more corrupt then the people they swept out of office.
The R’s & D’s each go through the same pattern: get majority by portraying the prior majority as “corrupt and entrenched”. Start on making reforms, but get caught up in power for the sake of power. Slide into corruption and entrenched power, until you get kicked out of the majority.
Read your history, without the rose-colored glasses. No party is above corruption, and no party in power remains in power forever. Learn it, believe it, or get swept into the trash bin of history as trying to hold back an avalanche with a water-hose.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:51 pm#45-
No doubt, the Abramoff situation is a black eye to ALL the Congressmen involved, both Democrat and Republican. As for the impact on mid-term elections, don’t hold your breath.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:52 pmHasn’t the New York Times already done a story about CAP back in November? Didn’t the reporter look at the same materials Kennedy is now wanting? Why is it the NYT can get a hold of this material but Sen. Kennedy cannot?
Comment by Cicero — January 11, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
Links, evidence, sources….
January 11th, 2006 at 3:52 pmStop feeding the troll.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:52 pmI think I have to agree with Ed over at Captain’s Quarters here:
“Senator Arlen Spector just announced that the William Rusher papers will now be made available to the committee voluntarily by Rusher himself, removing the need for the subpoena that Ted Kennedy demanded. Word around the Capitol has it that the New York Times did an extensive research project on the Rusher papers — and found absolutely nothing. Kennedy is about to come up with major egg on his face when Rusher’s papers turn into Al Capone’s vault.”
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006137.php
Later,
January 11th, 2006 at 3:52 pm“I am tolerant of every race, gender, color, and creed. The only thing I am intolerant of is elitist liberal democrats like you, who are trying to undermine the morals and ethics of this great nation.”
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11,
And since “liberalism” could be considered a creed, you’re actually not tolerant of race, gender, color, and creed, are you?
January 11th, 2006 at 3:53 pm#46 – You mean like the morals and ethics (or lack thereof) of the current administration> Rove, did you hear that? The money you took from Abramoff is now “ethical” money! DeLey, did you hear that? The money you took from Abramoff is ethical money!!
I hope and pray the morals and ethics of this administration eventually get replaced by ones that Americans can be proud of.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:54 pm“Actually, I am a middle-class, conservative, christian. In other words, I am representative of the vast majority of the people in this country. A REAL AMERICAN”
The majority of americans are middle class moderate secularists according to all of the polls. You do realize that you can be a secularist and christian at the same time don’t you? That’s why almost 70% say don’t overturn abortion, and be tolerant of others, something Alito (and apparently you) don’t share view wise?
“I am tolerant of every race, gender, color, and creed. A REAL AMERICAN”
Creed? How tolerant are you of conservative islamists? How tolerant are you of secularists, or agnostics? How about of pagans? What about poor people, and women who demand equal rights? How about gay people?
Republicans who always say they’re tolerant, really mean they’re tolerant of the people they like, and the rest of the world can go to hell. I’m guessing that’s the kind of intolerant bigot group you belong to? Please prove me wrong, I’d love it.
“The only thing I am intolerant of is elitist liberal democrats like you, who are trying to undermine the morals and ethics of this great nation. A REAL AMERICAN”
You sound very elitist wanna-be, how funny. By elite, do you mean educated, rational, savvy and intellectual? I can understand how that could be threatening to someone who still believes in fairy tales ‘literally’, and doesn’t realize that abortion isn’t illegal in their own bible.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:54 pmSee Alito is a done deal. Whether or not the Dems filibuster or stall a vote, he’s in. The Republicans simply have the numbers to vote the filibuster use out and then vote him in anyway.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:55 pmSURREAL AMERIKAN: Your demographic information is false. Which is not surprising considering the rest of the hyperbolic falsehoods that you spew consistently. Thank God real americans do not share your morals and ethics.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:55 pmDon’t forget, no Democrats took Abramoff money!
Don’t believe the lies the R’s are telling you that they did. Research it for yourself!
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=Abramoff&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2006=Y&txt2004=Y&txt2002=Y&Order=N
January 11th, 2006 at 3:56 pmThe only thing I am intolerant of is elitist liberal democrats like you,
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 3:49 pm
You just demonstrated your ignorance. Not everyone in this blog is a Democrat.
who are trying to undermine the morals and ethics of this great nation.
I guess DeLay, Abramoff, Scanlon, the illegal invasion of Iraq, the torture of prisoners under US custody, the illegal “renditions”, the secret prisons, etc. are all to be blamed on the “elitist liberals”.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:57 pmLibertarian,
If the republicans do away with the filibuster, then democrats have the options of effectively halting all work in the Senate, and I’d say that’s appropriate. Nothing is a done deal at this point.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:57 pmI just don’t see the democrats as stalling all work in the Senate. The Republicans did it in the 90s and it backfired on them. I think the Dems are smarter than that.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:59 pmIf you don’t think abortion is a fundamental issue, you don’t understand the purpose of Roe.
Roe’s underpinnings are privacy over government intrusion, and has very little to do with what’s a human. It’s a certainty that there’s despute over what is human, therefore the goverment should not get involved in that despute.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:59 pmWhy don’t you go out and get a job realamericanidiot.
guy – alioto is toast. put a fork in him, he’s done.
btw – you really need to work on your dissing. Jr high kids do a better job than you. I’d be embarrassed if I was you. My daughter makes you look like Barbara Bush(41).
January 11th, 2006 at 3:59 pmI have mixed feelings about the Democratic filibuster…
If the Democrats do use it but then the Republican majority issues a “nuclear option” which elimiates the use of a filibuster, how will the MAJORITY of Americans see that?
Will they see it as a reason to not support the “power-hungry, intolerable conservatives”? Or will they simply see it as “a reason Democrats are so weak and we shouldn’t bother voting for them in this year’s election”?
January 11th, 2006 at 3:59 pm#55-
I don’t know what demographics you are referencing, but secularist do not outnumber christians in this country. As for tolerance, I respect all religions. Unlike the secular left in this country, like yourself, who are trying to destroy every last vestige of organized religion in this country.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:00 pm#18…Careful what you wish for! Your party is NOT (regardless of the underhanded and dirty tricks your side of the aisle repeatedly pulls) always going to be in the majority. If you “nuke” the filibuster, it may come back to bite you in the ass. The American people’s view of Congress is at a long-time low at the moment and the people are sick and tired of the corruption, underhanded double-dealing, and politics as usual that your side of the aisle has made their bread and butter over the last 9 years or so.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:01 pm#63,
January 11th, 2006 at 4:01 pmThe same things was said about Roberts when he came up with his secret Republican cabal, but he’s now in charge of the SCOTUS.
WASHINGTON, D.C. — The conservative alumni group Concerned Alumni of Princeton (CAP) has been the subject of criticism in recent weeks, but yesterday the University itself also came under scrutiny.
Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.), who grilled Samuel Alito ‘72 about his CAP membership, also said that he “wasn’t a big Princeton fan.”
“I didn’t even like Princeton,” he said, to laughter from the gallery. “I mean, I really didn’t like Princeton. I was an Irish Catholic kid who thought it had not changed like you concluded it had,” referring to Alito’s earlier statement that Princeton had changed its traditional ways before he enrolled.
But Biden had nothing but praise for the University in a 2004 speech at the Wilson School.
“It’s an honor to be here,” he told the audience. “It would have been an even greater honor to have come here.”
Biden also said yesterday: “One of my real dilemmas is I have two kids who went to Ivy League schools. I’m not sure my Grandfather Finnegan will ever forgive me for allowing that to happen.”
But in his speech at Princeton, he said, “I have three children who have mercifully all finally completed undergraduate and graduate school. And I tried to get all three of them to apply here.”
He went on to recall how he tried to convince them to attend Princeton, but because they didn’t, he’s “counting on his grandchildren.”
January 11th, 2006 at 4:02 pm#64-
Your denial of reality is alarming. I SAY AGAIN: ALITO WILL BE CONFIRMED. HE IS IN. Just accept it and get on with your life.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:03 pm#69-
More positive proof that Biden is a total idiot.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:05 pmCicero,
You posted: “Hasn’t the New York Times already done a story about CAP back in November? Didn’t the reporter look at the same materials Kennedy is now wanting?”
When I asked for links and evidence, your replied with a quote from Captain’s Quarters: “Word around the Capitol has it that the New York Times did an extensive research project on the Rusher papers — and found absolutely nothing.”
“Word around” -sounds like gossip.
Besides, this is not what you said in your first comment. You said there was a story. Where is the link to the story by the NYT?
Don’t move the goal posts.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:05 pmReal American? Are you joking. Bushs’s bullshit started before he got “elected”. Doesn’t it bother you with what is happening in this country? He has subverted Congress and the constitution. You need to get with the times. The corruption is all around. This country is not safer than it was 4 years ago. The “conservatives” are imploding. It is all over for them. Just look to ‘06.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:05 pm“A Real American”–You didn’t answer my question,
I know that eventually a conservative whether it is Altio or someone else is going to get confirmed.
But if the Democrats issue a filibuster then there is going to be a pretty good chance the Republicans will issue the “nuclear option.”
I just want to know how the majority of Americans will react to it, because that is what really counts.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:07 pmLickspittle-
I AM looking forward to this November’s elections. We should pick up a few more seats.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:07 pmSURREAL AMERIKAN: So besides spewing out falsehoods and displaying an amazing lack of awareness as to how our government structure functions, you also have a considerable vacuum where one would normally expect to find even the most basic intelligence set. I suspect that you are either not yet in high school or just the product of substandard genetics. It is so sad when cousins marry.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:09 pm#74-
If we get rid of the filibuster, so be it. This a Democracy. Majority rules. That is the way it should be. REAL AMERICANS are sick of the obstructionist tactics that BOTH sides use when they are in the minority. We need to get rid of the filibuster once and for all.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:11 pm#76-
Back on my block, you would recieve a severe ass-whipping for talking some crap like that, dude. Of course, in this medium, you can hide behind your computer. I bet you wouldn’t say it to me, man-to-man.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:13 pmAnyone who must call him or herself a “real american” is probably neither. It’s kind of like how Fox News must continually insist they are fair and balanced or George Bush insisting he is honest.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:17 pmSURREAL AMERIKAN: Only the weak offer up violence in response to criticism and only cowards make threats that they know they can never follow through on. On the bright side, though, your responses only continue to bolster my assertions while simultaneously exposing your monumental lack of credibility.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:18 pm#76-
January 11th, 2006 at 4:18 pmContinuing on, to what “amazing lack of awareness” of our government structure are you referring?
stop collecting welfare & get a job realamericanidiot.
Damn, go somewhere else and be an asshole.
Scalioto is gonna be borked. & we don’t care if it’s an up or down vote, or filibuster.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:18 pmOptimist-
Sometimes violence is the only, and final, option. You are obviously way past the point where you can be reasoned with, so a staunch butt-kicking my be the only way to get you back in the REAL world with us REAL AMERICANS. And who is the real coward here? You don’t see me hurling personal insults around here. Why? Because I’m not a punk-ass bitch like you.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:22 pm#82-
Funny thing is, I’m at work. I love this job!
January 11th, 2006 at 4:23 pmReal American: I will bet dollars to donuts that the Repugs will lose seats. How many will depend on how much more shit comes out about the “culture of corruption” that was started by Bush 1 and taken to new lows from this “president”.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:23 pm81,
January 11th, 2006 at 4:24 pmKindness may not be the best handle for you. But I still think Alito will get confirmed despite the wishes of everyone who doesn’t want it. Take a look around you. Has anyone been able to stop the government’s actions since election 2000?
Even after repeated attempts a education, Repugs and Trolls still act like their sainted leaders can do no wrong.
In the bell curve of American intellegence, only Repugs and Trolls are seen on the bottom “lack of intelligence” toe of the curve.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:25 pmSURREAL AMERIKAN: Let’s see, your comment about the fillibuster displays substantial ignorance about how vital it is to a true DEMOCRACY for the minority to have a voice. You have also shown a complete lack of awareness as to the rules of evidence in regard to legal proceedings and hearings. Then, of course, you prove yourself as not having a clue as to how our rule of seperating church and state is what guarantees that no one can “destroy” organized religion. Are you still with me, or did I lose you at “Let’s see”?
January 11th, 2006 at 4:26 pmUnlike the secular left in this country, like yourself, who are trying to destroy every last vestige of organized religion in this country.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 4:00 pm
More apocalyptic ravings… please enlighten us: Where or what would that “last vestige” be?
And let’s file this one under “lack of self-awareness”, along with the other ones from A REAL AMERICAN:
And who is the real coward here? You don’t see me hurling personal insults around here. Why? Because I’m not a punk-ass bitch like you.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 4:22 pm
How can anyone be so glaringly self-contradictory and not notice? I agree with Optimist: It’s got to be genetic…
January 11th, 2006 at 4:26 pm#85 and #86-
Everyone thought we would lose seats in 2004, but we ended up gaining. Despite the war. Despite the lies by the Dems about the economy and everything else. A small scandel like the Abramoff thing won’t bring us down.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:26 pmthe more you respond to the trolls, the more they think they have a voice on this progressive site
January 11th, 2006 at 4:27 pmAnd who is the real coward here? You don’t see me hurling personal insults around here. Why? Because I’m not a punk-ass bitch like you.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 4:22 pm
I-RIGHT-I, only you say that. We know it is you. You’re too transparent. And we’re not that naive.
I just cannot believe the self-proclaimed bastion of morality and self-righteousness would lie…
January 11th, 2006 at 4:30 pmSURREAL AMERIKAN: Why do you hate America? No one who has even a remote grasp of liberty or freedom would even suggest that they see it as their right, or an “option”, to threaten physical violence as a means of convincing someone to see things their way. You, sir, are not a patriot and your cowardice seems limitless.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:32 pm#92-
January 11th, 2006 at 4:33 pmWho the hell is I-RIGHT-I? You spend WAY TOO MUCH TIME on this site, dude.
RA: I don’t agree with your politics, but would sure like to blog at work. What do you think about Robertson? Or Falwell? Are you of that ilk or are you a real Christian? People throw that word around. Bush said he is one, but I believe he is a Satanist.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:33 pmEveryone thought we would lose seats in 2004, but we ended up gaining. Despite the war. Despite the lies by the Dems about the economy and everything else. A small scandel like the Abramoff thing won’t bring us down.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
Fear is a powerful manipulator. Didn’t you see the Wizard of Oz? Remember how the quartet did as the powerful and mighty Oz commanded, because they were afraid of him? And how the minute the Professor was exposed as the human behind the curtain, there was nothing left to fear? And Dorotht actually scolded him?
In 2004, you guys were were still hiding behind the smoke and mirror fear mongering lies. In 2006, you’ve been outted…
January 11th, 2006 at 4:34 pmI agree with 85, Libertarian, he will get seated and THEN we can see how the President’s assumption of “Enumerated” power can be defended in court, even with Alito as SCOTUS.It ain’t pretty but not a losing ordeal. This is all another great reminder for the reasons one votes for their candidate for President. No one knows when another justice will retire or come to room temp. so let’s move on past this and get to the point: Did the President have the constitutional authority or not?
January 11th, 2006 at 4:34 pm#93-
I’m not using violence to get people to see my point of view, idiot. I’d like to use violence on you, and you only, because you decided to personnally insult me. And what the hell do you know about being a patriot? You ever been in harms way? You ever been in a combat unit? Probably not. You were most likely too busy burning flags on whatever college campus you attended, while guys like me had their asses on the line.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:37 pm#92-
Who the hell is I-RIGHT-I? You spend WAY TOO MUCH TIME on this site, dude.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
Stop it, really… you sound like the kids I watch doing something like throwing something sharp at another student and then have the audacity to cry “What? I didn’t do nothin’. I don’t know what you’re talking about.”
I spend no more time than you do IRI, I just don’t have more than one pseudonym to deflect how much…
Calling me ‘dude’ was really pathetic, by the way…
January 11th, 2006 at 4:37 pmthe trolls are acting like infants.
WAAAAAAA!!!No one listens to me.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:37 pmoptomist: you are right. viloence should always be a last resort. Re: King and Ghandi.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:39 pmSo, Real American, when did you serve? I can only assume that it was during a war, with your use of “guys like me had their asses on the line”.
So, I take it that the “freedom of speech” you supported was only for anyone who agrees with you. . . .. . .
January 11th, 2006 at 4:40 pm#95-
Robertson is WAY too out there for me. I don’t pay much attention to him, or Falwell for that matter. I am Catholic, and I go to church regularly. I thyth, and the whole bit. I believe. As for Bush, he strikes me as a particularly pious and spiritual man. If everyone in this country was as religious as him, the country would be much better off.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:41 pmFunny thing is, I’m at work. I love this job!
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
Using company time for personal profit? Isn’t that STEALING???? Ooooh, I think you guys go to Hell for that one, don’t you?
January 11th, 2006 at 4:42 pm#102, REALAME-RICAN, If everyone was as religious as Bush I don’t think it would be America.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:44 pmI am Catholic, … I thyth, and the whole bit.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 4:41 pm
IRI, Catholics aren’t into the tithing thing like you Protestants. If you’re gonna lie, at least make sure you know what you’re talking about first…
January 11th, 2006 at 4:44 pm#102-
I worked for Halliburton last year as a contractor in Iraq. I had my ass on the line everyday, hoping I wouldn’t get I.E.D.’d. It was pretty scary, but I made so much money, it was well worth it.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:45 pmSURREAL AMERIKAN: All I have done is to expose your lies, your hate, and your cowardice.
And not that its relevant at all, but I have served in the army (infantry), I have attended college, and I would defend with all means necessary the right to burn the flag (aka free speech and dissent). I know this concept may seem foriegn to you, but being a soldier does NOT mean that you have to be a moron. There is time, you can still change your ways.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:45 pm#106-
Moron. Seriously, I don’t know who I-R-I, or I-Right-I, or whoever, is. Get off the dope. And I am Catholic, and I do tyth (or tith, if that is the way you want to spell it). I don’t know what Catholic church you went to, but our pastor was pretty clear about the whole thing.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:48 pmReal American. I did serve in the 25th Infantry Division at Cu Chi in Vietnam(1968-69). I agree with Democrat Soldier. It’s easy to send sons and daughters to war, but when you are a chickenhawk like Bush, Cheney. et al. it is extremely hard to find anything significant in what they say. This bastard “president” couldn’t even complete his stint in the National Guard.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:49 pm#106 – Ahh, yes. Good ‘ole Halliburton. I wasn’t aware that they were a new branch of the military. Guess with the current administration, outsourcing the miliitary will be next.
By the way, I’m being offerred the opportunity to work for the military as a computer tech. Seems they don’t have enough people with the skills to keep their computers running successfully in the green zone. I would go over as an independant contractor if I choose to do so.
The person who made me the offer said he just got back, and is being asked to go back because there are too many people taking the quick money and leaving without getting the job done successfully. (NO, I’m not saying you didn’t. i don’t know you, you don’t know me.)
By the way, did you work on any of these contracts?
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/audits.html
January 11th, 2006 at 4:50 pm#108-
Anyone who burns an American flag should be summarily beaten, and then made to dig graves with a shovel by hand for a year for every soldier who comes back from Iraq in a box.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:51 pmbut our pastor was pretty clear about the whole thing.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
Catholic priests are not “pastors” -that’s a Protestant thing.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:51 pm54% of “Real Americans” DISAPPROVE of George W. Bush.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:51 pm#111-
Nah, I drove a forklift.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:52 pm#113-
No, in fact we catholics do call our priests “pastors” if they are in charge of running a particular parish. Get off the dope, seriously.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:54 pmAhh yes, Right Wing talking point number 12, “We are in charge right now, we are in charge right now, we are in charge right now” The tides always turn, be nice when you are in charge, because someday you won’t be.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:54 pmRA: Glad to see that you are not affiliated with the religious wackos on the far right. I personally have nothing against religion, although I probably am agnostic. People have to believe in something. A “real” christian does not go to war as an “option”. Bush is killing innocent women and children, doesn’t that bother you? He could have let the inspectors stay. Sadam was not going anywhere.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:56 pmOT: IMHO Real-lame-rican is not IRI but Carl levin for president. IRI always uses BOLD type and always has a tru Texan zinger at the end of his comments. IRI is authentic beyond why would he need an alias?This is Military guys just screwing with us. Argue substance and they will flatter you and then make some statement to ink the waters.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:58 pmI don’t know of any Pastor who wants all the killing to continue.
Anyway, let Alito get in, let the Repubs control everything. It’s like saying “screw it, cut down the entire forest and then you will have to stop the logging”
January 11th, 2006 at 4:58 pm#111 Though I don’t agree with the burning of the flag, I also believe in the RIGHT to free speach. If this includes the burning of the flag to make that point, then this is fine by me because this is what our country was built on.
And before you go saying I’m Un-American, I served my country in the military so I have EVERY RIGHT to say what I want.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:00 pm#118-
I have mixed feelings about the war, really. It is a good idea, really. Much like Ron Reagan had a vision to topple the Soviet Union, and spread Democracy to Eastern Europe and Russia, I think W had a vision to spread democracy to the middle east by toppling Saddam. If democracy can flourish, I think that will go a long way to reducing terrorism. But now, because of mistakes by the administration, the war has not gone exactly as planned. It is costly yes, but I think it will be worth it in the end if everything goes as envisioned. We won’t see the results for 10 years or more, but I think it will be worth it in the end.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:01 pmRA: You bring up an interesting point. One that Hillary agrees with. I don’t. I went to Vietnam so people could have the RIGHT to burn the flag. I am more interested in personal liberties. The same ones the Bush “administration” are trying their best to take away. He will not be happy until there is martial law.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:03 pm#121 – I hate to tell you, but it wasn’t Pres. Reagan who toppled the Soviet Union. It was the Soviet union that toppled the Soviet Union. Pres. Reagan just happened to be in office when it happened.
Based on that logic, Pres. Clinton was responsible for the 1 trillion surplus that dissappeared when Pres. ‘W’ Bush was in office.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:04 pm#121 This is a pipe dream. First, have you heard of PNAC? This whole conflict was the plan from day one of the presidency. The events, that were allowed or planned, on 9/11 only set the plan in motion.
Don’t count on any positive results out of Iraq for decades. These people have been fighting each other for over a 1000 years, and we think that they are going to stop because we try to introduce democracy?
This was all about the OIL and the money that would come from the conflict.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:05 pm#121-
You sound like you were a squid or a zoomie. Which one was it? If you believe in the burning of the flag for any reason, then you are no patriot, my friend. There are plenty of other ways to exercise your freedom of speech.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:05 pmSURREAL AMERIKAN: You claim to be christian and then voice your support for a non-defensive “war” that has killed countless people. How would you justify the war to christ if he were standing right in front of you now?
January 11th, 2006 at 5:05 pmHey Real American,
January 11th, 2006 at 5:06 pmYou do know that the proper way to retire a flag is to tear away the field from the strips and then burn the whole flag, right?
SURREAL AMERIKAN: “Freedom of Speech” cannot be limited, that is a contradiction. (by the way, am I using words that are too “big” for you?) Sir, with every word you speak you achieve new heights of idiocy.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:08 pmHow much of an education do you need to operate a forklift?
January 11th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#125 I assume you were posting to my comment.
Just because I allow someone to have their freedoms and express themm the way they feel, does in fact make me patriotic. More so than trying to place my opinions or views on someone. This is why so many soldiers have died over the years so that people can do this. To say otherwise is not being patriotic, my friend.
I am not sure what you mean by a squid or a zoomie. I was in the Army and I repaired radios for the helicopters. 35 Lima (Original) changed to 68 Lima before discharge.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#121- How do you think a people that are used to a theocracy will embrace our form of “democracy”? The Soviet Union disentegrated because of their policies, not ours. How many hundreds of thousands must die for this “vision”? We have caused more terrorism, not less. Yes this administration screwed up everything that they attempted. Why couldn’t we use that money for education, New Orleans, or making American lives better? I just don’t understand your thinking and I am a veteran.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:11 pmIf you were to ask Real American what culture he is of, he would answer “American” while holding his Pabst Blue Ribbon, with the wife-beater on, sporting the mullet.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:11 pm#132
January 11th, 2006 at 5:13 pmNot that there’s anything wrong with that. You have to be tolerant of all people, including the intolerant. That’s what a democracy is.
I prefer more details and budgets when it comes to executing a War. Just because we are deemed targets for an infestation of Islamofascistcockroaches doesn’t mean we need to squeeze questionable enumerated powers from the Constitution without seriuos debate and REAL consultation with our elected officals. If none did anything wrong during Iran-Contra, why did Cap Weinberger have to be pardoned?You have good feelings, are you sure your a republican, feelings really, I thought emotion was a albatros to hang around Liberals’ necks. I remeber W just saying we need a REGIME change. I don’t think you can have a several hundred BILLION dollar adventure and change the goal post along the way to accomodate your sucesses or lack there of. Going exactly as planned , do YOU have the plans for this adventure? If so could you pleases hare them?
January 11th, 2006 at 5:13 pmREAL AMERICAN is neither a soldier nor a Catholic, nor is the fool even working, as he/she claims to be. I was raised Catholic, and your alleged Catholic terminology is way off, nor is your general hateful behavior related in any way to being a good Christian.
What part of a Mass is this “tithing” (as you call it) performed? What precedes and follows this part of Mass? What self-respecting Catholic (much less Christian) goes around threatening people or spreading lies? When was the last time you went to Confession? Where is the Eucharist housed? How dare you give Catholicism a bad name, you charlatan.
I own my own company, and if you worked for me, your lazy, ignorant butt would be fired in an instant. I actually employ a couple of Republican contractors from time to time, and guess what? They don’t spew the ignorance and bile you consider a post here. Get over yourself, you lying sack of crap.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:13 pmRemoveBush:
Squid = Navy
January 11th, 2006 at 5:13 pmZoomie = Air Force
Coward = SURREAL AMERIKAN
No, in fact we catholics do call our priests “pastors†if they are in charge of running a particular parish. Get off the dope, seriously.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 4:54 pm
No – you don’t. They are called Rectors or Parish-Priests in that capacity…
IRI, you told me you worked with the Military on projects in Texas. Should have known it was Halliburton.
Dude, seriously, you’re busted.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:14 pm#130-
Not much. I have a GED, but I am well-read. Thus, you can see the source of my outstanding grammar and english.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:15 pm135,
January 11th, 2006 at 5:15 pmIn defense of ARA, my wife is Catholic from South Jersey and they do refer to the priest as both father and pastor. They also have tithing (an offering) where they’re supposed to give 10% of their earnings to the church.
OT: IMHO Real-lame-rican is not IRI but Carl levin for president. IRI always uses BOLD type and always has a tru Texan zinger at the end of his comments. IRI is authentic beyond why would he need an alias?
Comment by the fly-man — January 11, 2006 @ 4:58 pm
I disagree… too many similarities to what IRI has said and told me over the last three months. And unfortunately for him, I remember trivial details… And IRI showed up immediately after I accused him of this last time. It’s IRI. I’m certain.
Why an alias? To make it look like there are more on his side than there really are…
January 11th, 2006 at 5:18 pm136#-
Okay. I guess it is trivia time. Tything is not part of mass, fool. Tything is giving 10% of your income, and it is done during the collection, between the Liturgy of the Word, and the Liturgy of the Eucharist. I actually haven’t been to confession for awhile. Have you? And, last but not least, the Eucharist is housed in the tabernacle, which is located on the false alter, usually located behind the actually alter. Anything else?
January 11th, 2006 at 5:19 pmStop feeding this preposterous troll.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:19 pmWhat exactly is the “last Vestige” of religion in this country anyhow? Whatever you happen to agree with, right?
Ah, I’m glad you’re so accepting and not threatening violence on people like a narcissist troll.
Oh wait…
SURREAL AMERIKAN: Actually, I believe what you meant to say was “outstanding usage of grammar and grasp of the english language”. How you phrased it would be akin to saying “my senses are acute because I have outstanding hear and see”.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:20 pm#138-
Rector is just another name for a pastor, dumb-ass. And a parish priest is NOT a pastor. They are simply priests who work for and with the actual pastor. Again, get off the dope.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:21 pmOkay. I guess it is trivia time. Tything is not part of mass, fool. Tything is giving 10% of your income, and it is done during the collection, between the Liturgy of the Word, and the Liturgy of the Eucharist. I actually haven’t been to confession for awhile. Have you? And, last but not least, the Eucharist is housed in the tabernacle, which is located on the false alter, usually located behind the actually alter. Anything else?
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
Hey, you can read a Catholic Encyclopedia… No one talks like this except someone who just read information he’d googled off a fact sheet and is regurgitating it… B-U-S-T-E-D
January 11th, 2006 at 5:22 pm#141-
Seriously, I’m not I-R-I, although he sounds like a hell of a guy.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:23 pmRe: #71
Gregor,
You posted:
“Cicero,
You posted: “Hasn’t the New York Times already done a story about CAP back in November? Didn’t the reporter look at the same materials Kennedy is now wanting?â€
When I asked for links and evidence, your replied with a quote from Captain’s Quarters: “Word around the Capitol has it that the New York Times did an extensive research project on the Rusher papers — and found absolutely nothing.â€
“Word around†-sounds like gossip.
Besides, this is not what you said in your first comment. You said there was a story. Where is the link to the story by the NYT?
Don’t move the goal posts. ”
Ah, sorry about that, I skimmed your post and missed that bit. My next post was a general statement about the Rusher papers.
If it’s links you want, links you get!
http://bench.nationalreview.com/archives/086800.asp
David Kirkpatrick wrote about them in November in the NYTimes (November 27, 2005, “From Alito’s Past, a Window On Conservatives at Princeton”) and concluded: “Those records and others at Mudd Library at Princeton give no indication that Judge Alito, who sits on the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, was among the group’s major donors. He was not an active leader of the group, and two of his classmates who were involved and Mr. Rusher said they did not remember his playing a role.”
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F40B11F63C550C748EDDA80994DD404482
And here’s the link to the article at NYTimes Select. Here’s the excerpt they give:
DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 1372 WORDS -In the fall of 1985, Concerned Alumni of Princeton was entering a crisis. The group’s members at the time included Samuel A. Alito Jr., now President Bush’s nominee to the Supreme Court, although there is no evidence that he played an active or prominent role. The group had been…
Later,
January 11th, 2006 at 5:25 pm#146-
January 11th, 2006 at 5:25 pmWhat-the-hell-ever, man. I went to Catholic school for 12 years, guy. I was an alter-boy for 5 years. That is how I know all this. I am a Catholic Encyclopedia. GET OFF THE DOPE.
Rector is just another name for a pastor, dumb-ass. They are simply priests who work for and with the actual pastor. Again, get off the dope.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 5:21 pm
Yes, the one that Catholic use. Pastor is the term you Protestants use…
And a parish priest is NOT a pastor.
You just said it was… “No, in fact we catholics do call our priests “pastors†if they are in charge of running a particular parish.” (Rector and Parish-Priest are the same).
Dope? Hardly. It’s called brain power. You should try it. Then you’d understand how pathetically transparent you are…
January 11th, 2006 at 5:26 pm#141-
Seriously, I’m not I-R-I, although he sounds like a hell of a guy.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 5:23 pm
Funny IRI, you said that same exact thing about REAL AMERICAN the last time I caught you….
January 11th, 2006 at 5:27 pm#145
Yep. A REAL AMERICAN is a REAL LIAR — so many obvious contradictions. I wonder what day REAL AMERICAN would go to Confession, if he/she really was a Catholic.
#146
January 11th, 2006 at 5:28 pmSo, now you went to Catholic school, even though you said that you have a GED? You are so busted. Just quit lying. If indeed you are Catholic, go talk with your priest… you need serious help.
#141-
And another thing, dude. I’ve been pimping this blog for a LONG time, way before this I-R-I person. Get your history right.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:28 pm#151
January 11th, 2006 at 5:31 pmYou can attend Catholic school and not graduate and then earn a GED.
#153
January 11th, 2006 at 5:35 pmSo you’re just stupid? What a waste of money for your parents to put you through private school for 12 years only for you to fail in the end. Then you pull this elitist crap, yet private Catholic school is pretty darn elite. You are such a liar. Just stop already. You have no crediblity. Threatening people and lying is not Christian behavior. You are seriously messed up.
Libertarian,
I’m not being in-tolerant, I am pointing out a lack of sophistication. And anyway, I wonder if you are here to show Progressives that “even Libertarians oppose this site”. And are really hired by Repubs.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:40 pm#150-154-
True, I got kicked out my senior year after I developed a drug habit. I had to go back and get my G.E.D. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am actually a human being, and I went through some pretty tough times. Which is why I had to go to Iraq and drive a fork lift to support my family. But the Lord has seen me through. Now get down from that Ivory Tower.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:41 pmI am glad I started a new sub-thread about how Real American is dense, and has a low fund of knowledge.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:41 pmWhat say we talk about politics. You guys are losing me with all this religious stuff. I’m worried about the idiot we have as president in the here and now. He claimed to be a Christian too, but he sure doesn’t act or talk like one. Anyone can attend church, but how do you feel in your heart?
January 11th, 2006 at 5:42 pm#155-
Back when I went to school, the Catholic high school I attended was targeted toward middle-class families. The tuition was relatively inexpensive. It has sky-rocketed recently, but my parents were able to afford it. I did let them down when I got expelled, but I got through my troubled times, and have come through okay.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:44 pmGetting clean is just the tip of the iceburg, once you get clean, you are still at the developmental level you were at when you started using. Also, being able to feel your feelings, cope with stress, take personal responsibility, grow up, get over yourself, stop being a victim, is the real challenge for recovering alcoholics and addicts. I bet Real American is in his twenties, still needs a lot of personal growth. As you grow up and mature, you will find your earler dense views were stupid.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:45 pmRA: I understand overcoming a drug habit. What I can’t understand is the faith you put in the right-wing. They have been proven to be liars, and were out of power for so long that they will do anything to retain it.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:46 pmAnd another thing, dude. I’ve been pimping this blog for a LONG time, way before this I-R-I person. Get your history right.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 5:28 pm
If that’s true then you would know who IRI is…
Stop calling me dude, you know I’m a woman…
January 11th, 2006 at 5:46 pm#158-
January 11th, 2006 at 5:46 pmHere we go again with the personal insults. I’ll tell you, it ain’t nothing for me to wup a man’s ass. If I could, I’d jump through this screen and stomp a mudhole in your ass. Be man, and quit with the insults.
#156
January 11th, 2006 at 5:46 pmI’m not the one making all these claims, threatening people or launching personal attacks– that’s all you, guy. Work on yourself and quit pulling people into your self-made hell.
For truth: well said. RA does sound young. He would have supported Nixon if he were around then.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:48 pmAhh yes Real American, if you can’t articulate what your needs are, then just use violence. Your just proving the points of the progressives. Your the best representation the Right has today? You are being eaten and crapped out and you don’t even know it. I bet you are still a rager, even though your “clean”.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:50 pmTrue, I got kicked out my senior year after I developed a drug habit. I had to go back and get my G.E.D. Sorry to disappoint you, but I am actually a human being, and I went through some pretty tough times. Which is why I had to go to Iraq and drive a fork lift to support my family. But the Lord has seen me through. Now get down from that Ivory Tower.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 5:41 pm
You are so making this up… If you went to school for 12 years, you’d have graduated. Otherwise, you’d have said 11 yaers since you didn’t complete the 12th year…
Most Catholics are Democrats (catholic is a synonum for liberal), are not anti-gay, and do not support war. Especially former alter boys who aspire to be the Pope… You really have no idea what you’re talking about…
January 11th, 2006 at 5:51 pm#163
January 11th, 2006 at 5:52 pmI still think you’re lying- you do not speak like someone who has been through counseling. The first thing a recovering addict learns it to quit blaming other people for their own problems. You have zero credibility here. You’re just a hateful person, and that is the only thing that is evident from your posting.
#162-
I put faith in the right wing, because they put faith in the individual man, and the ability of the individual man to take responsiblility in himself. I believe in smaller government, lower taxes (and a flat tax), and little or no income re-distribution. What I earn, I want to keep. I don’t believe in giving my money away to welfare duds, and all others on dependant on social programs, and have no incentive to get off. This is America. You succeed or fail based on your efforts, not on how much money you can suck out of the government. I believe in basic rights wrongs, good and evil. I am a Christian. I despise abortion and homosexuality. For all these reasons, I embrace the conservative, right-wing agenda.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:52 pmReal American: I am beginning to think you couldn’t find your ass with both hands, never mind wupping some man’s ass. You need a change of attitude. Either you are bullshitting or you need psychological help. You don’t sound like much of a “Christian” now. Lets forget the insults and talk politics, if you can.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:54 pmReal American still has to work on all that anger he has suppressed from that abusive childhood.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:54 pm#169
January 11th, 2006 at 5:56 pmYou are no Christian, your behavior here proves as much, quit hiding behind that label.
“Being a Christian” has been hijacked by the Right Wingers, it has no meaning anymore.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:57 pmI feel confident that SURREAL AMERIKAN has been exposed for the fraud that they are, their ignorance and lies have been addressed and rebuked, and their lack of character and courage has been abundantly clear in the tone and attitude of their posts.
Now back to the task at hand, saving the country from racist and incompetent nincompoops and the like minds that they nominate for the supreme court.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:58 pm#169-
Who have I blamed for any of my problems? Like I just said, I am a firm believer in personal responsibility. If I had been a good left-winger like you, I would have blamed the government for my addiction, got on and stayed on some social program for my “disease”, gone through a roller-coaster of addiction and recovery, failed in my attempts, and probably died. Instead, I took responsibility for my condition, recieved help from my pastor and family, re-affirmed my faith, and got through the bad times.
January 11th, 2006 at 6:02 pmCan’t get sound on the video, and haven’t been able to get sound with TP video for a couple of weeks now. Any suggestions?
January 11th, 2006 at 6:02 pm#169 Right-wing idealogues wanted smaller government also, so what did they do? They made it larger. There is a segment of people that are also American who need help just like you did. Your taxes would help them. Not anymore. It is going to fund this crap war of yours. People like Delay and Cunningham -I don’t think they would listen to you. They all have been sucking the money off the government. You see things in black and white, like Bush, but things are shades of grey. Abortion is a woman’s right and who cares if gays are doing their own thing? I am more concerned about what Bush is doing to this country.
January 11th, 2006 at 6:03 pmwell we got 114 now to impeach Blair we need 200 gonna be here soon …the link in the chain is gonna break …How you americans getting on with bush impeached …can i track progress anywhere like this link
http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=29437&SESSION=875
January 11th, 2006 at 6:07 pmI just wanted to add that I am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Bush put the double pox on me.
January 11th, 2006 at 6:08 pm#176 Miles, Mac or PC?
January 11th, 2006 at 6:08 pm#169
It’s people like you who use God and religion to do some of the worst things on earth. Like Father Coughlin, you have a tendency to be hypocritical by discriminating based on either religion, race, religion or sexual preference.
This is the 21st century, not the 19th. Go out and go pump
January 11th, 2006 at 6:11 pmyour girlfriend, Mighty Aphrodite.
Fly-man,
Thanks for replying. PC.
January 11th, 2006 at 6:11 pmflying scotsman: The world would be better off with the warmongers Bush and Blair impeached. They are both war criminals.
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January 11th, 2006 at 6:12 pmClean install worked, flyman. Thanks!
January 11th, 2006 at 6:21 pmBahahaha – oh yeah that is what the GOP is doing. SPying on you because you cannot be trusted and expanding your government.
Oh because I never had a problem with drugs or alcohol or anythign and I care for my fellow humans by serving those in need. Oh, but I have more education and money than you and that just makes me laugh.
PS. Way to “work” – online trolling and spewing. Way to cheat your boss.
January 11th, 2006 at 7:11 pmAck – dam edits!
January 11th, 2006 at 7:13 pmthose were list of reasons that I AM elite and better than you Fake Amerikkkan
it’s taken this long to catch up…rivetting…
hours ago, at #65, real american said: “… secularist do not outnumber christians in this country…”
keep up with your education, son – check in with a dictionary occasionally (real simple too, at dictionary.com):
secularist – n : an advocate of secularism; someone who believes that religion should be excluded from government and education
understand? ANY religious person of any religious persuasion can be a secularist, even a christian…
you’re welcome
January 11th, 2006 at 7:14 pmwell…see me blush…correction: riveting (one “t”) …”to engross or hold (the attention, for example)”…
January 11th, 2006 at 7:20 pm“Here we go again with the personal insults. I’ll tell you, it ain’t nothing for me to wup a man’s ass. If I could, I’d jump through this screen and stomp a mudhole in your ass. Be man, and quit with the insults”
Sounds like you are still on the drugs. Drugs tends to make make you angry and cause you to believe that you can beat up the world.
January 11th, 2006 at 7:38 pmThen, we can finally put that issue to rest once and for all by eliminating it altogether. You best believe we have the votes for THAT.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN #18
T”REAsonous AMERIscum,
Then maybe we can take it to the streets, like we should have when you Al-Cracka sombiches were blocking the recount in Florida in 2000…
I’d love to get to meet you…
January 11th, 2006 at 7:40 pmI’ll tell you, it ain’t nothing for me to wup a man’s ass.
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN #163
T’REAsonous AMERIscum,
You’re as much of a beeotch as your inbred mother was…
Anonymity sure makes some bada*s mofos…
January 11th, 2006 at 7:42 pmI think Arlen should be known as ‘SPECTRE’, and should be stroking a large white cat. It’s more appropriate to his role in government at the moment.
January 11th, 2006 at 7:57 pmReal American: I don’t agree with you, but I’m glad you’re back online. That is the way, is it not, to inform and become smarter through dialogue. I can give you many reasons that I despise Bush and his cronies. Does he make you feel safer? It was this government that was complicit in 9/11. Buah did not want his daddy bad-mouthed by Saddam. What a reason to go to war. It should end now. Not one more life on either side. If you are a Christian, as you profess, you must agree with this statement. Bush has done irreparable damage to this country. We cannot tolerate another three years of his rule. After all, he is above the law, is he not? It doesn’t bother you about domestic spying? That he continually lies to the American public? What has this administration accomplished?
January 11th, 2006 at 7:58 pmKennedy is a class act. If that were me I would have asked, “You just lied to my face about not receiving that letter. Do you care to explain?”
January 11th, 2006 at 9:15 pm#77. You just threatened yourself with an ass-whooping!!! Wow, you really are stupid. Or masochistic?
January 11th, 2006 at 9:21 pmPeople like Faux American really disturb me. These are the people who were the first to raise their arms and shout “Heil Hitler”.
January 11th, 2006 at 9:22 pmHearings Highlight Reel…
This was about as good as it got today at the Alito hearings….
January 11th, 2006 at 9:31 pmPeople like Faux American really disturb me. These are the people who were the first to raise their arms and shout “Heil Hitlerâ€.
Comment by JPark — January 11, 2006 @ 9:22 pm
Yep. And they’re still doing it…
We’re quickly becoming a fascist theocratic police state.
January 12th, 2006 at 11:06 amGet lives everyone. “You’re Hitler!” “No, you’re Hitler!” “No, you’re a fascist!” “Am not! You troll!”
I’d like to see how you whining self-righteous crybabies would hold up if you ever had to live under the oppression of a truly fascist state or came face to face with a REAL Hitler. Those of you making these inane comparison insults of calling people fascists and Hitlers have both no grasp of history and no idea of what true evil is.
Grow up, be a good person. Live the kind of life you think others should live. Stop whining about everyone else.
January 12th, 2006 at 11:54 amThose of you making these inane comparison insults of calling people fascists and Hitlers have both no grasp of history and no idea of what true evil is.
Comment by Mleko #200
Where the he*l have you been these past four hundred years in general, and the past FIVE YEARS especially…
January 12th, 2006 at 12:07 pmThose of you making these inane comparison insults of calling people fascists and Hitlers have both no grasp of history and no idea of what true evil is.
Your comment is insane… Wake up and take a look at our government. It doesn’t get much more ‘evil’ than this. Hitler’s ‘evilness’ grew over the course of time. This is the very same path he started out on with theocratic decrees and police state erosions of liberty. Clearly you haven’t read a history book since third grade, or been awake since then either. Why don’t you catch up rather than hang out in here whining about us exercizing our right of free speech.
Grow up, be a good person. Live the kind of life you think others should live. Stop whining about everyone else.
Comment by Mleko — January 12, 2006 @ 11:54 am
Yes, because you’re setting such a morally high standard by bitching like a crabby six year old about something not including you…
January 12th, 2006 at 12:26 pmWhat disturbs me about this communication between Specter and Kennedy was not so much that Specter lied. After all, its what we’ve come to expect. The real problem is two fold. First, they are willing to lie to each other thinking that they won’t be called on it because of some professional courtesy. Secondly, I wonder how much of the crucial business of running our nation is conducted in the gym between sets or curls or a steam bath?
For once Ted Kennedy showed some balls.
January 12th, 2006 at 12:37 pmDo you have any examples of Hitler’s “theocratic” decrees?
January 12th, 2006 at 1:03 pm“Where the he*l have you been these past four hundred years in general, and the past FIVE YEARS especially…” typed big papa, scowling but well-pleased with his own cleverness. He leaned back in his chair, clicked on the POST button, and hit the refresh button. “We’ll see what he has to say about that!”
January 12th, 2006 at 1:18 pmDo you have any examples of Hitler’s “theocratic†decrees?
Comment by Mleko — January 12, 2006 @ 1:03 pm
Of course, I don’t just make stuff up…
“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”
-Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936
“Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people.”
-Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933
“I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it.”
-Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40
“What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.”
-Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 125
“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief.”
-Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp.152
Want more?
January 12th, 2006 at 4:29 pmDo you have any examples of Bush’s theocratic decrees?
January 12th, 2006 at 4:58 pmIn no way is Bush as artiulate as Hitler, so it makes him seem less deadly. But bear in mind that because Hitler came first, modernity requires a Political temperence of Bush… But it doesn’t erode the fact that the spirit of his intentions are still just as dangerous as Hitler’s. To be gracious, I pulled these from a pro-Bush, anti-abortion, conservative Christian website. These are the tame ones they advocate…
“The cause we serve is right, because it is the cause of all mankind. The momentum of freedom in our world is unmistakable–and it is not carried forward by our power alone. We can trust in that greater power who guides the unfolding of the years. And in all that is to come, we can know that His purposes are just and true.”
–State of the Union Address, January 20, 2004
“We need common-sense judges who understand our rights were derived from God,”
–”Understanding the President and his God”
“Religion is an important part. I never want to impose my religion on anybody else. But when I make decisions I stand on principle. And the principles are derived from who I am. I believe we ought to love our neighbor like we love ourself. That’s manifested in public policy through the faith-based initiative where we’ve unleashed the armies of compassion to help heal people who hurt. I believe that God wants everybody to be free. That’s what I believe. And that’s one part of my foreign policy. In Afghanistan I believe that the freedom there is a gift from the Almighty. And I can’t tell you how encouraged how I am to see freedom on the march. And so my principles that I make decisions on are a part of me. And religion is a part of me.”
–Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, AZ, October 13, 2004
“It is the government’s strong desire to empower this fabric, this social fabric of our society where faith-based programs large and small feel empowered, encouraged, and welcomed into changing lives.”
–Speech in Washington D.C., June 1, 2004
“I wouldn’t pick a judge who said that the Pledge of Allegiance couldn’t be said in a school because it had the words ‘under God” in it. I think that’s an example of a judge allowing personal opinion to enter into the decision-making process, as opposed to strict interpretation of the Constitution.”
–Second Presidential Debate, St. Louis, October 8, 2004
“I believe that God wants me to be president.”
–”Understanding the President and his God”
If that last one doesn’t catch you up with us, maybe seeing the photos of the innocent Iraqi people he’s killed thus far will…
January 12th, 2006 at 5:41 pmI forgot one…
“It’s also important to strengthen our communities by unleashing the compassion of America’s religious institutions. Religious charities of every creed are doing some of the most vital work in our country–mentoring children, feeding the hungry, taking the hand of the lonely. Yet government has often denied social service grants and contracts to these groups, just because they have a cross or a Star of David or a crescent on the wall. By executive order, I have opened billions of dollars in grant money to competition that includes faith-based charities. Tonight I ask you to codify this into law, so people of faith can know that the law will never discriminate against them again.”
January 12th, 2006 at 5:42 pm–State of the Union Address, January 20, 2004
Okay. I guess it is trivia time. Tything is not part of mass, fool. Tything is giving 10% of your income, and it is done during the collection, between the Liturgy of the Word, and the Liturgy of the Eucharist. I actually haven’t been to confession for awhile. Have you? And, last but not least, the Eucharist is housed in the tabernacle, which is located on the false alter, usually located behind the actually alter. Anything else?
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
Ok, I’m not Catholic so maybe I’m wrong, but isn’t the Offering and the Eucharist part of the mass? It is in the Episcopal Church.
January 12th, 2006 at 9:36 pmSo, is it the contention of some posters here that Sen. Kennedy has his nerve for asking for papers on an organization that recall-plagued Alito has no memory of, because he is fat, and there is scandal in his past? Those are some standards!!! Well, our very own First Lady killed an old boyfriend of hers. Ran him over with her car. Of course, THEY say it was an accident. So what? But if Alito’s champions are saying that he was not sullied by his involvement in the CAP org., then prove it! Shouldn’t be a problem, right? Ok then… whip it out! Waiting……
January 13th, 2006 at 4:35 amOkay. I guess it is trivia time. Tything is not part of mass, fool. Tything is giving 10% of your income, and it is done during the collection, between the Liturgy of the Word, and the Liturgy of the Eucharist. I actually haven’t been to confession for awhile. Have you? And, last but not least, the Eucharist is housed in the tabernacle, which is located on the false alter, usually located behind the actually alter. Anything else?
Comment by A REAL AMERICAN — January 11, 2006 @ 5:19 pm
You can’t even spell it correctly. It’s “tithing”. From tithe.
Part of our problem is that so many Americans are just like yo, just about as advanced as a peaseant or serf from the dark ages. Amazing that 1000 years can go by and a majority of the world’s population hasn’t advanced at all. You are the “useful idiots.”
“I put faith in the right wing, because they put faith in the individual man, and the ability of the individual man to take responsiblility in himself. I believe in smaller government, lower taxes (and a flat tax), and little or no income re-distribution. What I earn, I want to keep. I don’t believe in giving my money away to welfare duds, and all others on dependant on social programs, and have no incentive to get off. This is America. You succeed or fail based on your efforts, not on how much money you can suck out of the government. I believe in basic rights wrongs, good and evil. I am a Christian. I despise abortion and homosexuality. For all these reasons, I embrace the conservative, right-wing agenda. A REAL AMERICANâ€
You are a brave fellow, tho. It takes real balls to be against the poor. The rich and powerful might hurt you. They may even toss you a crumb or a scrap of food. Better not be mean to them. Craven Coward.
Here’s some nice pictures of Hitler and his pals at Church. Hitler succeeded because “the church” did nothing.
January 13th, 2006 at 8:20 amhttp://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
January 13th, 2006 at 5:36 pmMore dangerous theocratic statements from the mouth of Peeping George…
“We are defending the nobility of normal lives, lived in obedience to God and conscience, not to government.”
“From the day of our Founding, we have proclaimed that every man and woman on this earth has rights, and dignity, and matchless value, because they bear the image of the Maker of Heaven and earth.”
“Dealing with Congress is a matter of give and take. The president doesn’t get everything he wants, the Congress doesn’t get everything they want. But we’re finding good common ground. A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there’s no question about it.”
“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we’re really talking about peace.”
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee, I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says ‘Fool me once . . . shame on . . . shame on you . . . Imafoola…I can’t get fooled again.’”
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