Milestone: Bush Has Gone Two Years Without Majority Support on Iraq
Milestone: Bush Has Gone Two Years Without Majority Support on Iraq
As President Bush continues his desperate campaign to sell his flawed Iraq strategy to the American public, a new CBS News poll finds that most Americans aren’t buying what President Bush is selling.
The trends over time tell an important story of President Bush’s failed efforts to shift the basic structure of American public opinion on Iraq:
– President Bush has lacked support and approval from a majority of Americans on Iraq for TWO YEARS. The last time a clear majority of Americans said that they approved President Bush’s handling of Iraq was December 2003, just after the capture of Saddam Hussein.
– Fully 58 percent disapprove of President Bush’s handling of the situation with Iraq – unchanged since he began his public relations offensive in late November.
– A majority of Americans (54 percent) support a timetable for withdrawal.
There have been some slight shifts on some certain questions – 49 percent say United States troops should stay in Iraq as long as it takes to make sure Iraq is a stable democracy, up 6 points since early November.
But overall, President Bush’s efforts to shift Americans’ opinions on Iraq, just as he failed to make the case for his Social Security plan last year.
A bipartisan majority of 79 senators in November supported a vote of no confidence in President Bush’s Iraq policy, calling on him to put forward a real strategy for success.
President Bush has failed to make his case. It is time for a new course.
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Bush doesn’t care anything about opinion polls. Why should he? He’s not running for re-election. What he does care about is trying to preserve his own self image as something other than the miserable (albeit privileged) failure that he’s been all his life. After all, God told him to invade Iraq and how could God possibly be wrong?
January 11th, 2006 at 12:26 pmheckuva job georgie
January 11th, 2006 at 12:27 pmAnd yet, we’re still over there….
January 11th, 2006 at 12:28 pmhow could God possibly be wrong?
Comment by purvis ames — January 11, 2006 @ 12:26 pm
Yeah, good pint… You know, we’ve gotta fix all these science books too… They say that the earth is round when the Bible (Revelations) so clearly indicates that it is flat when referencing the “Four corners of the world”…
January 11th, 2006 at 12:31 pmGeorge W. Bush and his co-conspirator L’il Dick Cheney no longer care about polls. Neither is interested in being President ever again, all they want to do is what they’ve been doing since 9/11…
Using the people’s fear in order to reap HUGE profits now (and in the future) on defense contracts (Halliburton, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, and all other defense contractors will make money as long as there is war) and there will be war in the Middle east long after bushiva and L’il Dick ride off into the sunset…
The question is, are the REAL American patriots (Progressives) going to let them ride off without any accountability for the crimes they’ve committed here at home (neglect, division, decay) and abroad (mass murder, profiteering and fraud)…
If the people don’t rise up against the racist, bigoted, greedy, intellectually inferior, psuedo-conservative Bushite minority then there will never be unity, peace and justice in this country, hemisphere or world…
Bushiva, L’il Dick and all of the Bushites must be brought to justice!
January 11th, 2006 at 12:36 pmRemember back in 2002 when reporters couldn’t write or say the word “President” without referring to him as being “popular” somewhere in the same paragraph? Funny how the same thing doesn’t work for “unpopular”. Durn Librul Media.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:43 pmThe definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. The horrifying thing is, it’s not just Georgie’s sanity at stake, it’s the lives of our troops in Iraq.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:46 pmIt doesn’t matter about majority support because they found a way to stay in power forever. Just rig the elections to get Republicans in office every election year, and allow all these idiot Americans to continue to either not care, so as to allow more corruption, or let the idiot Americans support the corruption forwhatever idiot reason.
I’m not saying Americans as a whole are idiots. But a WHOLE LOT really are.
January 11th, 2006 at 1:02 pmQ: “Mr. President before you started the war in Iraq, you said those American soldiers you sent into harm’s way would be greeted as liberators. Mr. President, who told you that?â€
January 11th, 2006 at 1:03 pmA: “When I say flowers, I mean sacrifice. Don’t get me wrong, this is no game. Sacrifice. As in, you don’t know which one of you will be sacrificed. Heh heh heh. And I kill the terrorist’s dogs too…I bomb them. Then ya see, once the terrorists, or whoever’s down there, eats all their babies, no dogs, they starve. Heh heh. That’s my plan. Turns the office girls on too, when I make a plan. Heh heh I just wish I learned that earlier.â€
Bush has no need of public support if he can accuse anyone who objects to his failed Iraq policies of “aiding the enemy”, which is a crime. With someone like Alio in place he can and will defy all law. Most police states have little in the way of public support that’s not forced from them.
It only takes an accusation in Bush’s America to make a person a terrorist. No lawyer, no trial, No judge or jury. No evidence. George’s word or someone elses who has been proven Loyal to the King. Just rendition and torture in a Shrub DE-education camp.
January 11th, 2006 at 1:10 pmI don’t know how it is possible for the opposition to the war still be only 58%, when reports that the bloody mess in Iraq is the US’ own making. From Tom Hayden at The Nation:
Is the de facto dismemberment of Iraq a deliberate American strategy or a blowback based on ignorance, or both? The most reasoned answer may lie in Robert Dreyfuss’s new book, Devil’s Game, which documents how the United States has flirted with and funded a generation of Islamic extremists as an alternative to secular Arab nationalism, either as a divide-and-conquer strategy or a means to impose privatization of state-run economies.
Pacifying Iraq: Insurgent Scenarios
The US has long followed a policy on interventionism in the region. As long as the US does not allow the peoples of the Middle East to decide their own destiny, the costs -both financial and human- can only increase.
On the other hand, signs are clear that, to offset some of its own human toll, the US is relying more and more on air strikes. These strikes will, in turn, increase the casualties on the Iraqi side -the lates example being the bombing of a house in Baiji that killed eight, including two children though no insurgents.
A US withdrawal from Iraq must be complete, should include base closure, and a halt to all bombing campaigns. From Knight Ridder:
A key fear is that Iraq’s mostly Shiite Muslim and Kurdish army will use American and allied bombing missions for revenge attacks on the Sunni Muslim Arab minority, which provides most of the insurgency’s fighters.
“If we allow that to happen, then in essence we’ll be doing the same thing we accused Saddam Hussein of doing,” said Larry C. Johnson, a former CIA and State Department official. “We’ll just be substituting one tyranny for another.”
U.S. airstrikes in Iraq could intensify
How can withdrawal be supported by only 54% of Americans? How is it possible for a full 42% of the people of the US still approve Bush’s “handling” of Iraq?
Are they living in the Twilight Zone?
January 11th, 2006 at 1:12 pmh’s “handling†of Iraq?
Simple. A worthless, toadying corporate media and an apathetic public.
“Gee, another nine soldiers dead. Whatchoo gonna do? {shrug} At least it wasn’t one of my kids that got killed.”
January 11th, 2006 at 1:58 pm60% of all Americans dislike and oppose Bush, so what is new about that?
About 1/3 of Americans love Bush no matter he does, and 5 to 10% have no opinion about anything > lol.
January 11th, 2006 at 2:05 pmThe president has declared that we are in a state of war, a War on Terror. This is not a war in traditional sense, as it involves both an enemy that is not exclusively a nation and tactics that are not exclusively military. In fact, the War on Terror is a conflict more akin to the War on Drugs or the War on Poverty than to World War I, World War II or Viet Nam. It is a struggle against a concept or, more precisely, a tactic by a loosely connected faction of people who rabidly dislike our culture, our morals, our worldview and our way of life.
Like the other so-called “warsâ€, this is a war for which there can be no real victory and no known end. There will always be poverty, there will always be drugs and there will always be enemies that wish to do us harm. In the fact, the president once candidly admitted in an interview that, in regard to the war on terror, “”I don’t think you can win it, but I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world.†He also said in a speech to the American Legion, “In this different kind of war, we may never sit down at a peace table.”
The president, having declared we are at war, further states in essence that in wartime the powers of the executive branch are expanded, and he has the right granted him by the Constitution not only to uphold the law, but also to interpret and create law, as necessary. Thus, he conveys “enemy combatant†status as a means to get around due process statutes. He engages in “warrantless wiretapping†in circumvention of FISA laws. He uses “rendering†as a means of avoiding bans on torture. And, most egregiously, he vigorously uses “signing statements†to simply opt out of any law passed by Congress with which he chooses not to comply.
The only way President Bush can maintain this power is to maintain that we are in a state of war. Ending the war means eliminating his power. He will not likely take that step unilaterally. And, as long as there is no check on this kind of presidential power, the basic freedoms granted to all Americans in the Constitution and Bill of Rights simply no longer exist.
Congress must take bold steps now by doing one of two things. They must either remove the president from office through the constitutionally mandated process of impeachment on the grounds of high crimes and misdemeanors, or exert their responsibilities under the War Powers Act, which prescribes the balance of power between the president and Congress in declaring war. Under the Act, forces must be removed within sixty to ninety days unless Congress approves of the action or declares war.
Since we cannot remove forces from the War on Terror, it is up to Congress to take the bold step and declare that we are not actually at war, at least not the kind of war that grants the president the type and scope of which he seems so prone to exploit. Their failure to take one of these two steps amounts to nothing less than an abdication of Constitutional responsibility and a serious threat to the checks and balances inherent in a representative democracy.
Congress must act now to end this executive branch tyranny.
January 11th, 2006 at 2:25 pmI can guarantee you that if people knew the truth about the bush crime family he wouldnt have been elected or even been in the running..this republican aganda is deep and thousands need to be arrested immediately or we will have another “controlled demolition” of another US landmark, in order to justify another war in Syria or Iran..Get them out now–the military should think.. Mutiny
January 11th, 2006 at 2:42 pm#
It doesn’t matter about majority support because they found a way to stay in power forever. Just rig the elections to get Republicans in office every election year, and allow all these idiot Americans to continue to either not care, so as to allow more corruption, or let the idiot Americans support the corruption forwhatever idiot reason.
I’m not saying Americans as a whole are idiots. But a WHOLE LOT really are.
Comment by MagnumDB — January 11, 2006 @ 1:02 pm
I have no Idea from what country you come, but if you think that for one instance that the same powers that be, that are behind Bushco, do not exist and have made many similiar laws, such as to give up your weapons, etc., in your country, or that your country hasnt made agreements with Bushco, on behalf of the Global Elite, you would be very very wrong.
January 11th, 2006 at 2:49 pmLook how many Countries had secret Jails for the rendition program, for one.
How can withdrawal be supported by only 54% of Americans? How is it possible for a full 42% of the people of the US still approve Bush’s “handling†of Iraq?
Are they living in the Twilight Zone?
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 11, 2006 @ 1:12 pm
The Bermuda Triangle aka the Sparkle Box.
January 11th, 2006 at 2:53 pm#15, nice summary, Mark.
January 11th, 2006 at 2:55 pmBush uses his “war on terror” to excuse all manner of abuse of power on his part, the latest being domestic spying on Americans. See, he has repeatedly said that if we criticize, we are aiding the enemy and demoralizing the troops – so the next logical step is that he will use his “executive” power in a time of war to declare any of us “traitors” and punish us accordingly, with little or no recourse in the courts, which he has stacked with his friends.
Many of the Falwellians depend on Bushes Radio Address, for “Insite”, which of course isnt insiteful at all. Here what I mean;
Television evangelist Jerry Falwell couldn’t resist bragging and finally admitting the truth: he and former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin “Bibi†Netanyahu did conspire—at a critical time—to trip up President Bill Clinton and specifically use the pressure of the Monica Lewinsky sex scandal to force Clinton to abandon pressure on Israel to withdraw from the occupied West Bank.
Falwell’s confession didn’t make national news—as it should have. Instead, the preacher’s confession came buried in a lengthy story in the December 2005 issue of Vanity Fair. Entitled “American Rapture†the article (by Craig Unger) described the long-standing and still-flourishing love affair between American dispensationalist evangelicals such as Falwell and the hardline Jewish extremist forces in Israel then under the leadership of Binyamin “Bibi†Netanyahu.
January 11th, 2006 at 2:55 pmI didn’t realize it has been two years since he had the majority of the country on his side in this pile of shit he created in Iraq. While we know he “doesn’t pay attention to polls” it’s amazing that he can retain so much control. Goes to how much the Government is in his service rather than the other way around.
January 11th, 2006 at 2:59 pmMake things a bit clearer Gregor?
Bushco, Falwell, Robertson, AIPAC, AEI, Shalem (Federalist Isarel Branch) Franklin, Rosen, Weissman, Alexander Strategy group, Delay Inc., Pioneers, ABramoff, Dead billionaire, Ohio, Diebold, and of course The RAND institute, Brookings, Ideologues INC
#I didn’t realize it has been two years since he had the majority of the country on his side in this pile of shit he created in Iraq. While we know he “doesn’t pay attention to polls†it’s amazing that he can retain so much control. **Goes to how much the Government is in his service rather than the other way around**.
Comment by Marie — January 11, 2006 @ 2:59 pm
POLITYIV
January 11th, 2006 at 3:05 pm
January 11th, 2006 at 3:08 pmWar on the Liberals, More or less.In My opinion. Notice the start of the Split of Regimes, date wise to events.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:10 pmFor five to ten minutes at the start of each class, I try to discuss current events with my high school students who are soon to be entering the real world. I have an existing rule that gives the kids bonus points for correcting anything I say incorrectly… to keep me and them alert. So, when one of them asked me the inception year of the War on Iraq, I told them 2003.
Today one of the students came to correct me. He says “My dad says that the War on Iraq started in 2001 after they flew planes into the World Trade Towers.”
Needless to say, today was 30 minutes of current events… and a couple aspirin for me…
January 11th, 2006 at 4:24 pmUnbelievable,
Thanks for your actual, real life example… with such a stark reminder of people’s short memory span, all my questions about the support for the invasion of Iraq (and Bush’s “handling” of it) have been answered -once and for all.
That is truly unbelievable….
January 11th, 2006 at 4:46 pmYea, but where were they when we needed some reason and Judgement in this country.Does’nt anyone on the right get it yet?
Bush is barely qualified to change the oil on the pick up he’s always driving around on the dustbowl he calls a ranch and now he’s the leader of the free world.
Him, and his entire group were voted in not with reason and sound judgement, but on a gut feeling.
Even his appointments are a joke, and an insult to America.
Obviously he didn’t learn anything from the Brown fiasco.
Now he appoints little Julie Myers Julie Myers to head the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, part of the Department of Homeland Security.
She is overnight going from managing 170 personnel, to over 20,000! Of course her daddy’s General Richard Myers, but for some reason, that just does’nt seem to make me feel any better. Wonder why?
January 11th, 2006 at 4:52 pmWar Without Support…
And I thought it just SEEMED like a long time – since Americans thought the war was okay….
January 11th, 2006 at 5:45 pm#25, Unbelievable,
January 11th, 2006 at 5:50 pmI hope there are 10,000 more teachers as yourself who are able to set the historical facts straight. Thanks for being there for your students.
Watch it though, your truth telling may be a hindrance to employment.
Here are some old and recent reasons why Bush is having problems selling this Big Fat Lie known as the Iraq war:
The Wicked Bitch is Gone
November 14, 2005
Well, it appeared that the Wicked Bitch of the New York Times, Judy Miller, has melted out of sight from a bucket full marked “resignation.†But is she out of mind? No so. In her exit, Miller left a trail of her duplicitous and over-hyped of non-existent WMDs. But the clutter doesn’t end there: the one-sided pitch and exaggeration of the “oil-for-food†slander against Kofi Annan and the United Nations. And the NY Times leadership has yet to come to terms about the process and values that allowed Miller to compromised her own newsroom to operate with impunity. Still, with her departure the NY Times may finally stop pitching for political favors and take some steps in honest-to-God journalism and not accommodate to power. This is the only way for journalists to distinguish themselves once again and to bring out the best in their profession.
Sniveling at Elmendorf Air Base
November 15, 2005
Again, behind real men in real uniforms President Bush lashes out at the Democrats. In “Bush lashes out at war critics†by Terence Hunt, Bush sought the Alaskan’s Elmendorf Air Base to hide from his critics, pouting at the accusations of misleading America into war. Well, if Clinton had to take his sauce with his medicine than the Midland Cowboy has to take his as well, starting with: the American people deserve to know and an investigate if Congress feel pre-war intelligence was exaggerated, manipulated or misused; the right to know what Congress’s strategy for success in Iraq is; and given all the pre-war intelligence that we now supposedly know regarding Iraq, the American people deserve to know if Congress still would have authorized the war. Bush’s biggest lie and this isn’t confronted by the general media is that Congress had access to all the pre-intelligence regarding the threat that Iraq pose back then and thus supporting President Bush’s decision to invade Iraq. Now that the president is sniveling uncontrollably will this brush aside his pretense as an upstanding and ethical president?
Quick and Dirty
November 16, 2005
Today’s news teetered between the Senate backing for a quicker transition in Iraq to the 173 detainees discovered in the basement of an Interior Ministry building had provide me with the inspiration in how to resolve the U.S.-Iraq conflict. Quick and dirty: first, the Bush administration must bring back the international community involvement; that means for the UN to establish a multinational interim security force in Iraq. Secondly, the U.S. must use diplomatic means as oppose to the present role as military occupier. In other words, give Iraq back to the Iraqis, working with them, assisting them in rebuilding their economy and infrastructure, and create real jobs; therefore, acing out Halliburton and the other parasites that the Bush administration and the Pentagon had infested Iraq with. And also involve the U.N. in overseeing the economic needs while renouncing the U.S. control of Iraqi oil and the maintaining of those “permanent†military bases. Thirdly, establish an international peace commission to help peace building and conflict resolution. Finally, the withdrawal of the U.S. military. This will end the war, no longer fueling the insurgency with our presence in Iraq as our generals on the field have ascertained.
The Bright White Lie
November 17, 2005
On November 16, 2005, after months of denials, the Pentagon finally came clean: it has acknowledged the use of incendiary white-phosphorus explosives in the 2004 attack on Fallujah. Quickly, the Pentagon categorized phosphorous as an incendiary weapon as oppose to a chemical one. In short, what the Pentagon claim it did wasn’t illegal or a war crime. Regardless of the effects such as skin burns and burn damage to organs and bones, how could white-phosphorus be any different from a chemical weapon? The 1980 Convention on Conventional Weapons forbids using incendiary weapons against civilians or any battlefields where civilians resides. Again, the Pentagon denied using this weapon on civilians; until an Italian documentary film exposed this assertion as a lie. From its use to illuminate enemy positions at night, not at the enemy, the Pentagon admitted yesterday it had dumped the phosphorus on the fighters; albeit still in denial of the charred civilian bodies. Along with the bad press brought about by Abu Ghraib this phosphorus incident reduced what little of “The Battle for the Hearts and Minds†capital into ashes.
This is for you, Congressman Murtha
November 18, 2005
I have not shown favor on you Congressman Murtha. You voted for that Big Fat Lie known as the Iraq war. I never join any of the armed forces of America because of a bigger lie known as the Vietnam War. So it didn’t surprise me that a committed soldier as yourself went along willingly with this current lie with the cost of hundred of lives and wounded in the first year of this current war. It’s what you lifers live for: blowing people up, regardless who they are; and you got that wish from President Bush, a born coward you didn’t have a problem kissing up to. But recently you began to see the light that wasn’t there, became aware of the true cost of this war: the pointlessness of the conflict and the extra cost to our soldiers in degradation and in their mindless deaths. It was Vietnam all over again. I believe this touched you, especially when this administration refused to give a wound soldier a purple heart; you weren’t surprise but then again it hurt you nonetheless as you offer your metal instead. This is a very good start. I don’t know if you or I believe that you can make up for the crime in supporting that lie in Iraq but I’ll support you all the way if you stay on the course in getting our troops out of Iraq. Glad you are on board.
Chicken Hawks Rule
November 19, 2005
“House in furor over removing troops†by Liz Sidoti had me boiling over. The Republican Representatives demonstrated a most appalling conduct ever made. Even scumbags would have a tremendous problem in lowering themselves to that level. But not these Republicans: to fake out an attempt to immediately withdraw our troops only to shut it down, proclaiming their patriotic duty to our troops and to our nation that “staying the course†is the right direction. First, to make my position clear, I do not look favor upon Rep. John Murtha. He push for this war in Iraq. He knew it was a lie. How? Because I knew it, and I’m not in “The Know†as he is. Still, he managed to see the light that wasn’t there and is man enough to admit a mistake is a mistake and that our troops shouldn’t pay the consequences; unlike those deferment-happy Republicans. You can squeeze all the testicular fortitude out of these Republicans and wouldn’t get a ball between them. And as for that pencil pushing Marine colonel who degraded Murtha as a coward, well he knows what he can do with that pencil.
That Spinning Sensation
November 21, 2005
It’s safe to say that damage control in Washington is in full trotted. “Flap over U.S. use of chemical in Iraq†by Scott Shane had unintentionally demonstrate that the Pentagon bungled its story. First, that Italian film is an exaggeration. Second, the foreign news outlets are straying misinformation that U.S. forces used banned weapon. Back in November 8, reports by the U.S. and Britain stated that phosphorous was used “sparingly for illumination purposes†in Fallujah. But out of nowhere, new reports by American military journalists contradicted those earlier accounts. Quickly the Pentagon switched into spin, stating that phosphorus was used on the enemies but not on civilians and its use was legal, abiding international and U.S. military laws. But Mr. Shane left one thing out: the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, which polices the 1993 convention, stated that phosphorus was neither illegal nor a chemical weapon. But phosphorus was considered illegal by the 1980 Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons; although partly ratified, the Convention failed to enact Protocol III which bans its use against the enemies or civilians. That means the U.S. is in trouble, regardless of the anti-war crowd’s winning streak.
Cowboy Diplomacy
November 25, 2005
As they say, the hits keep coming. “Britain tries to suppress leaked Iraq memo†by the Chicago Tribune offers something more focal than the usual bill de fare of George W. Bush: the Downing Street Memos, the highly 2001 classified intel by the National Journal, the debacle white phosphorous use in Fallujah, the exposé of “Curveball†impact of the Iraq war, etc. But this tidbit of President Bush’s personal and impulsive brush stroke of trying to bomb the headquarters of Al-Jazeera speaks volumes of his cowboy diplomacy. Two days ago on Nov. 23, the front page of the London’s Daily Mirror slashed an article stating President Bush wanted to eliminate Al-Jazeera and that Prime Minister Tony Blair had talked him out of it. As juicy as it sounds I believe the British government will effectively clammed down any further classified memos being leaked. Still, the cat is out of the bag: President Bush is a loose cannon with his finger on the button. Yesterday it could have been an Arab news station. Today it’s Iraq and tomorrow, the world.
There’s much more but that’s enough for now. I’ll be back.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:58 pmwell we got 114 now to impeach Blair we need 200 gonna be here soon …the link in the chain is gonna break …How you americans getting on with bush impeached …can i track progress anywhere like this link
http://edmi.parliament.uk/EDMi/EDMDetails.aspx?EDMID=29437&SESSION=875
January 11th, 2006 at 6:08 pmNeedless to say, today was 30 minutes of current events… and a couple aspirin for me…
Comment by unbelievable
So, what did you tell him?
January 11th, 2006 at 6:25 pmI’m shaking hands with strangers now,
January 11th, 2006 at 6:53 pmin case one of them is Armando.
Marie, thanks for the support. You know, I’m just trying to do what I think is right – and teach these kids to think for themselves. Try to balance out the laziness to just accept whatever they are told firstand to actually think about what makes sense. It’s a constant battle… You’re right. Some days I think the only thing going for me is that there’s a teacher shortage :)
Gregor, if you think this is scary, you’d hate to see what other teachers are like. I have been going through the alternative certification program, and am appalled at how equally ignorant some of the teachers are. A history teacher told another student that we invaded Iraq to stop Saddam Hussein from killing all those innocent people. It’s no wonder that we battle the trolls over the same issues over and over and over. They just attach themselves to the first thing that they hear and never question it. I guess it’s why I am always trying to defend the kids who do question the system and get in trouble for it… they remind me of us :)
January 11th, 2006 at 7:00 pmSo, what did you tell him?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 11, 2006 @ 6:25 pm
Just the facts ma’am… Unlike you I’m not interested in converting people to my side (or I’d be in a neocon blog). Although I do know from personal experience that people who learn to think for themselves and have healthy self-esteem are incapable of pillaging and raping the planet or others…
We attacked Iraq because we thought they had WMD. 9/11 was carried out by Al Qaeda headed by Osama bin Laden of Saudi Arabian nationality. There were no Iraqis directly involved in the plane attacks, and no one has been able to demonstrate that they were even involved behind the scenes yet. America and Iraq used to be allies. It changed when Iraq invaded Kuwait under the premise that Kuwait was orginally Iraqi land and they were simply reclaiming it. Even you can’t argue with that. Unless you’re just trying to keep me talking to you… But, really, I’m not your type. I’m over 21, and I use my brain (but not for a foot rest :).
January 11th, 2006 at 7:09 pmWe attacked Iraq because we thought they had WMD. 9/11 was carried out by Al Qaeda headed by Osama bin Laden of Saudi Arabian nationality.
Comment by unbelievable — January 11, 2006 @ 7:09 pm
Not to mention that the invasion started in March 2003, and not in 2001 right after the WTC attacks.
It’s been only three years and people are already forgetting the facts? So sad…
Although, at the same time, it shows you how linked the two events are in people’s minds. The Bush administration made sure of it.
January 11th, 2006 at 7:20 pmAlthough, at the same time, it shows you how linked the two events are in people’s minds. The Bush administration made sure of it.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — January 11, 2006 @ 7:20 pm
A former Air Force veteran who I once worked with called this psychological warfare… repeating a thing over and over and over until it becomes so familiar that people think it must be true (of course she was refering to our office policies at the time, but I think the definition still applies here :)
January 11th, 2006 at 7:44 pmWell, if we count the whole population of the world, or the West, or the G8, or the UN, or the OTAN, Bush never had that “majority”.
January 11th, 2006 at 7:58 pmHey watch it guys. Did’nt you hear Bush today?
He said if we talk like this were traitors. Better watch it before the brown shirts start coming out.
January 11th, 2006 at 11:21 pmI guess in our free society, Mr. Busch thinks it’s fine for us to debate.
As long as he defines and approves the topics.
January 11th, 2006 at 11:25 pmMaybe the idea is to broaden the bar on what constitutes a Democracy.
That way when Iraq ends up as a Religious Theocracy he can say see? Just like us!
January 11th, 2006 at 11:28 pmOur present situation reminds me of the Old Soviet Union, where liberties were restrained at all times, where one could have been arrested and secretly transported to a remote prision with no chance what-so-ever to mount any kind of defense against the charge. George Bush has probed to me by his actions and his false ideology —and I am sure to other millions of people— that he is, indeed, a war criminal, and a violator of REAL Democracy, main issue why our Country has always been so great. Impeachment would be the most, and the only logical solution I personally see to solve this mess he has lead us into. Let this coming Midterm elections be the resolut dimise of this tyrant.
January 12th, 2006 at 12:03 amWhat scares me Tony is the polls coming out, showing that 60 percent of Americans are little more than scared and blind little sheep, saying defending from terrorists trumps our civil liberties.
I got news for that 60 percent of lilly livered cowards and blind sheep.
You may feel like your doing the right thing, trading away your liberties to this little tyrant like the German citizens did for good ole Adolph and his buddies, but you are anything but Patriots.
Instead of the old republican war cry, give me liberty or give me death, the new and improved republican Patriot says “ooohh please Mr. President, please take whatever freedoms or liberties you need, just please keep me safe” :O
That’s what defines a traitor to me.
January 12th, 2006 at 12:18 amPresident Bush has failed to make his case. It is time for a new course.
– Brian Katulis
….and we all know what that is don’t we? Surrender.
January 12th, 2006 at 7:42 amInstead of the old republican war cry, give me liberty or give me death, the new and improved republican Patriot says “ooohh please Mr. President, please take whatever freedoms or liberties you need, just please keep me safe†:O
That’s what defines a traitor to me.
Comment by WORFEUS
Wrong again. You seem to confuse secret traitors and foriegn nationals trying to blow us up with American citizens. I’ll wait until someone who isn’t a secret traitor and terrorist gets spied on then we’ll talkk about it. Your alternative of course is to ignore the problem completely and hope nothing bad happens. When it does you’ll want to run and hide like a good little surrender monkey.
January 12th, 2006 at 7:46 amI-Triflinscumbagbastich-I lives in an alternate universe…
Inbreds like these were placed in OUR universe as a test…
A test to measure the lower boundary of humanity…
They create their own reality, as uplifting Bushiva to godlike status gives them comfort and serenity…
For example, Bushiva lives on a big Texas “ranch”…
Sh*t, that’s a dirt farm if I ever saw one, ever seen any cattle?
Or how about his TANG “service”, nuff said…
They don’t have to “think” because it’s done for them…
They are absolved from all of their wickedness and INHUMANITY because they were motivated (by their sick interpretation of patriotism) to support this criminal regime because Bushiva keeps them “safe”…
They cling to their stubborn allegiance to Bushiva and the plutocratic mob because like baby birds in a nest they’ll be rewarded by receiving the regurgitated left overs, placed directly in their hungry little beaks by their “Fuhrer” bird…the Emperor penguin…
Pity them, right up to the day they become extinct…
January 12th, 2006 at 9:19 amFor it is a well known evolutionary fact (this ain’t your daddy’s “intelligent design”) that appendages that go unused simply disappear…
….and we all know what that is don’t we? Surrender.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 12, 2006 @ 7:42 am
Never…
January 12th, 2006 at 11:07 amYour alternative of course is to ignore the problem completely and hope nothing bad happens. When it does you’ll want to run and hide like a good little surrender monkey.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 12, 2006 @ 7:46 am
Kinda like you guys do with Big Tobacco, Big Oil and Big guns? Actually, that’s what got us into this situation to begin with. Ignoring the problem.
I don’t get why you still can’t comprehend that violence only begets more violence. Paul Bergen (I believe) was a journalist who interviewed Osama in 1997. He’s written a book that talks about just how unsafe the Occupation of Iraq has made us by energizing the Middle East into thinking that we have declared jihad against the Muslim World. Bush is making it worse, not better. Wake up before you find out just how much….
January 12th, 2006 at 11:12 amPity them, right up to the day they become extinct…
For it is a well known evolutionary fact (this ain’t your daddy’s “intelligent designâ€) that appendages that go unused simply disappear…
Comment by big papa — January 12, 2006 @ 9:19 am
Well said!
A friend of mine thinks we should outlaw guard rails and allow Darwinism to remove several of them all on their own accord…
January 12th, 2006 at 11:16 amgreat article on the process of impeaching Bush..
by a Democrat who helped impeach Nixon.
http://www.alternet.org/story/30705/
January 12th, 2006 at 1:43 pmFace it – kindly, yet naive progs, want to share a big group hug and hypnotize aggressors with endless renditions of KumbaYUCK. But there is an evil branch on the prog family tree who would criticize ANYTHING and EVERYTHING a conservative does, considers or does not do. Should we get hit again – they will blame Bush for NOT knowing in advance – should we interrupt a plan of attack they will pull out the A-CLU stops and scream foul.
January 12th, 2006 at 2:11 pmHey watch it guys. Did’nt you hear Bush today?
He said if we talk like this were traitors. Better watch it before the brown shirts start coming out.
Comment by WORFEUS — January 11, 2006 @ 11:21 pm
I’m almost afraid of what he will do next…
January 12th, 2006 at 4:35 pmFace it – kindly, yet naive progs, want to share a big group hug and hypnotize aggressors with endless renditions of KumbaYUCK.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 12, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
You forget that many of us don’t believe in a god, so singing religious songs is ridiculous…
January 12th, 2006 at 4:36 pmDear TP,
As a Man of faith all I can say is it is time for the human race to celebrate the end of the most murderous regime in all of human history.
Amen.
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January 16th, 2006 at 11:22 am