Iraq Déjà Vu: Cheney Already Undermining Rice’s Diplomatic Efforts on Iran
Iraq Déjà Vu: Cheney Already Undermining Rice’s Diplomatic Efforts on Iran
Iran will likely soon be referred to the U.N. Security Council. The State Department’s stated hope is that this move will coalesce world opinion leading into a new round of negotiations, which thus far have been undertaken with little to no direct involvement from three central players: Russia, China, and the United States.
In other words, this is a new effort to solve the issue diplomatically — not, as hardliners argue, to move directly to punitive measures like strict sanctions or military action. As Robert Joseph, under secretary of state for arms control and international security, said Wednesday, “We’ve always said that going to the Security Council is not an end in itself and did not signal an end to negotiations.”
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice went even further:
“Nobody is saying that there have to be immediate sanctions in the Security Council,” Rice said in an interview with CBS News.
“Everybody wants to give the Iranians a chance to show us — to reconsider their position,” she said. …
“And then, we’re going to have consultations about what to do next,” she said. “I don’t think anyone is talking about sanctions today. We’re talking now about the referral and then we’ll see what’s necessary.”
Actually, someone is talking about sanctions today, describing them as the “number one item on the agenda.” Here’s Vice President Cheney, asked about Iran on Wednesday by Fox News’ Tony Snow:
Well, I think the next step will be probably to go before the U.N. Security Council. What would be probably the number one item on the agenda would be the resolution that could be enforced by sanctions, were they (the Iranians) to fail to comply with it.
So how long before we learn of a newly-formed White House Iran Group?
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The fact that John Bolton, the belligerent, war-mongering neoconservative who serves as U.S. ambassador to the U.N., takes over as president of the Security Council in February doesn’t help.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:20 pmHalliburton does business in Iran, it’s no surprise Dickie would be a Dickie.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:22 pmSo we are left with persistent reports that both the United States and Israel are planning to strike Iran, and soon. Not only would such an attack result in a vastly wider conflict in Iran, Iraq and the Gulf, but it would also probably push oil prices well over $100 a barrel, making $5-a-gallon gas a reality. Perhaps, because the international community wants to avoid such a catastrophe, and because the United States is exerting enormous pressure on Russia, China and other world powers, first the IAEA and then the UNSC might vote to sanction Iran. If so, Iran will certainly not back down. And as a result, the United States will have the pretext it seeks to go to war once again.
Some Democrats—and even a fair number of moderate and libertarian Republicans—expect the November 2006 elections to take place against the backdrop of a failed occupation of Iraq. Instead, those same elections might take place in the midst of yet another crisis manufactured by the Bush administration.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:23 pmSmedley,
It might be a blessing in disguise. Until oil costs too much, companies and people won’t feel enough pain to get off their lazy butts and do something about our dependency on the stuff. Look for the silver lining – every risk and failure is an opportunity!
January 14th, 2006 at 6:46 pmWe don’t need no Iran, let the m– f–er burn. Burn, m– f—r, burn!
January 14th, 2006 at 6:52 pmNot just war that could impact oil prices:
January 14th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
Russia and China have huge Oil deals with Iran, I doubt they will allow any UN Security Council action. Europe doesn’t look to do anything but lip service right now. But more than just US and Israel believe a nuclear Iran is a bad option.
this could be a very tense year.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:56 pmIraq Déjà Vu: Cheney Already Undermining State Department Efforts on Iran…
Iraq Déjà Vu: Cheney Already Undermining State Department Efforts on Iran – As debate over Iran’s nuclear program swells, it appears that Vice President Cheney is already trying to undermine diplomatic efforts being led by his admin…
January 14th, 2006 at 7:04 pmIf the Bushies invade Iran – China and Russia will clean up the political mess in Washington DC in about thirty minutes. Consider our response to 9/11 – we are sitting ducks. Why are intellectual inferiors to the Keystone Kops directing our nation?
January 14th, 2006 at 7:10 pm#4 RightPunch:
That’s a good thought. But I think at that point we’ll have much bigger problems than $5 gasoline — like, say, a 20-cent dollar, an OPEC embargo and possibly a live, nuclear shooting-war with a bunch of countries who can actually defend themselves.
Conservation is good…but “Beyond Thunderdome” is a more likely scenario.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:13 pmRunningDogLackey,
That’s always possible – lets hope more sane voices prevail.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:38 pmThe lasting infections of the Bush presidency will be the fascistic tilt to the Supreme Court and unchecked nuclear proliferation abroad.
Oh, and all that other stuff too. . .
January 14th, 2006 at 7:53 pm#10 “Beyond Thunderdome†is a more likely scenario.”
Some radical post-nuclear mutations and THEN let’s see the righties challenge evolution.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:55 pmVP Dick Cheney is insane and mentally unbalanced! He is a notorious pathological liar who needs to be institutionalized! He is dangerous to America!
January 14th, 2006 at 8:12 pmCome on. You know the bloodthirsty bastards are already planning to bomb/invade Iran/Syria/Paristan. Impeach them while we have the chance. Soon it will be too late and the military will be patroling the streets here. Wait and see.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:35 pmI have never understood why this administration, and Cheney especially, has had such a hard-on for going into Iran. Oil just can’t be a good enough reason: nearly three years since we’ve gone into Iraq, oil output is still below pre-war levels. It’s got to be ideology, but it’s the ideology of the insane, because militarily, we can’t do it. Financially, we’re broke. Mentally, this country and our soldiers are tired. But insanely, the drums of war have a good chance of beating again.
We’ve got three more years of this administration. The end can’t come soon enough.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:55 pmPersonally, if your leaders are stupid or arrogant enough to go after a nation which probably has WMDs and the capability of using them on you or one of your allies, you are in trouble.
I’m just hoping South Africa doesn’t get caught in the nuclear crossfire.
January 14th, 2006 at 9:04 pm“Presently I heard a voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn,’ while at the same time my visitor extended her arm eastwardly. I now beheld a heavy white vapor at some distance rising fold upon fold. This gradually dissipated, and I looked upon a strange scene. Before me lay spread out in one vast plain all the countries of the world — Europe, Asia, Africa, and America. I saw rolling and tossing between Europe and America the billows of the Atlantic, and between Asia and America lay the Pacific. ‘Son of the Republic,’ said the same mysterious voice as before, ‘look and learn.’
“At that moment I beheld a dark, shadowy being, like an angel floating in mid-air, between Europe and America, dipping water out of the ocean in the hollow of each hand. He sprinkled some upon America with his right hand, while with his left hand he cast some on Europe. Immediately a dark cloud raised from these countries and joined in mid-ocean. For a while it remained stationary, and then moved slowly westward, until it enveloped America in its murky folds. Sharp flashes of lightning passed through it at intervals, and I heard the smothered groans and cries of the American people.
“A second time the angel dipped water from the ocean, and sprinkled it out as before. The dark cloud was then drawn back to the ocean, in whose heaving billows it sank from view. A third time I heard the mysterious voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’ I cast my eyes upon America and beheld villages and towns and cities springing up one after another until the whole land from the Atlantic to the Pacific was dotted with them. Again I heard the mysterious voice say, ‘Son of the Republic, the end of the century cometh, look and learn.’
“At this the dark, shadowy angel turned his face southward, and from Africa I saw an ill-omened spectre approach our land. It flitted slowly over every town and city. The inhabitants presently set themselves in battle array against each other. As I continued looking, I saw a bright angel, on whose brow rested a crown of light, on which was traced the word “Union,” bearing the American flag, which he placed between the divided nation, and said, ‘Remember ye are brethren.’ Instantly the inhabitants, casting from them their weapons, became friends once more and united around the National Standard.
“And again I heard the mysterious voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’ At this the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth and blew three distinct blasts; and taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia, and Africa. Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene: from each of these countries arose thick, black clouds that were joined into one. And throughout this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men, who, moving with the cloud, marched by land and sailed by sea to America, which country was enveloped in the volume of the cloud. And I dimly saw these vast armies devastate the whole country and burn the villages, towns, and cities that I beheld were springing up. As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of swords, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat, I heard again the mysterious voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’ When the voice had ceased, the dark, shadowy angel placed his trumpet once more to his mouth and blew a long and fearful blast.
“Instantly a light as of a thousand suns shone down from above me, and pierced and broke into fragments the dark cloud which enveloped America. At the same moment the angel, upon whose head still shone the word “Union,” and who bore our national flag in one hand and a sword in the other, descended from the heavens, attended by legions of white spirits. These immediately joined the inhabitants of America, who I perceived were well-nigh overcome, but who immediately taking courage again, closed up their broken ranks and renewed the battle. Again, amid the fearful noise of the conflict, I heard the mysterious voice saying, ‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’ As the voice ceased, the shadowy angel for the last time dipped water from the ocean and sprinkled it upon America. Instantly the dark cloud rolled back, together with the armies it had brought, leaving the inhabitants of the land victorious.
“Then once more I beheld the villages, towns, and cities springing up where I had seen them before, while the bright angel, planting the azure standard he had brought in the midst of them, cried with a loud voice, ‘While the stars remain, and the heavens send down dew upon the earth, so long shall the Union last.’ And taking from his brow the crown on which was blazoned the word “Union,” he placed it upon the Standard, while the people, kneeling down, said, ‘Amen.’
“The scene instantly began to fade and dissolve, and I at last saw nothing but the rising, curling vapor I at first beheld. This also disappearing, I found myself once more gazing upon the mysterious visitor, who, in the same voice I had heard before, said, ‘Son of the Republic, what you have seen is thus interpreted: Three great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, passing which the whole world united shall not prevail against her. Let every child of the Republic learn to live for his God, his land, and the Union.’ With these words the vision vanished, and I started from my seat, and felt that I had seen a vision wherein had been shown me the birth, progress, and destiny of the United States.”
January 14th, 2006 at 9:18 pmThree great perils will come upon the Republic. The most fearful is the third, passing which the whole world united shall not prevail against her.
Three Great Wars
January 14th, 2006 at 9:21 pmAnd no Im, not smoking anything, you just insulted George Washington, that was HIS words, not mine.
Would you care to try again shaddup?, this time read first. Thanks.
Now will I laugh at YOU?
January 14th, 2006 at 9:22 pmI shant.
Creating more warfare abroad to hold onto power at home: it is an oft-told historical tale of tyrants and tyranny.
That is why IMPEACHMENT is so critical.
January 14th, 2006 at 9:23 pmActually, someone is talking about sanctions today, describing them as the “number one item on the agenda.†Here’s Vice President Cheney, asked about Iran on Wednesday by Fox News’ Tony Snow:
What? Have you losers never seen the “good guy, bad guy” routine? Hey, here’s a thought….get on board with the program and save some lives. Iran will be dealt with and believe it or not the Filthy Left could possibly by denouncing their atomic jihad, stop a war that will kill millions of really good people.
George Bush has vowed that Iran’s freak mullah’s will not have atomic weapons. Believe it or not you losers could actually make a difference.
January 14th, 2006 at 9:30 pmReply to post 17 Shaddup: Only fools or paid toadies defend Dick Cheney? So which are you Shaddup?
Are you an Israeli or an American Sharon lover?
(Shaddup sounds Zionist to me >lol.)
I will repeat > Cheney is certified insane!!!
January 14th, 2006 at 9:38 pmI am telling you somebody has got to give this four eyed bastard a whack in the chest where he wears that gizmo beating that black heart. The sooner he is sent to that netherworld where other black hearts exist the better off the universe will be.
January 14th, 2006 at 9:40 pmGeorge Bush has vowed that Iran’s freak mullah’s will not have atomic weapons. Believe it or not you losers could actually make a difference.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 9:30 pm
Ya know IRI, you talk as if you Know alot, in these words you just wrote, you have enforced my suspicions.
I guess your still reading Standard Weekly, STILL.
Al-Libi’s information, Wilkerson said, “led Colin Powell to say at the U.N. on 5 February 2003 that there were some pretty substantive contacts between al Qaeda and Baghdad.”
It now appears, Wilkerson said, that al-Libi’s statement “were obtained through interrogation techniques other than those authorized by Geneva (Conventions).”
“More important than that, we know that there was a Defense Intelligence Agency dissent on that testimony even before Colin Powell made his presentation,” Wilkerson said. “We never heard about that.”
January 14th, 2006 at 9:48 pmIf conservatives don’t want Iran to get Nuclear Weapons, then Rumsfeld shouldn’t have sold them Plutomium breeder reactors under President Ford, and the CIA shouldn’t have given them doctored Nuclear Documents that turned out to be instrumental in their efforts.
Republicans keep saying they don’t want Iran to get Nuclear, but their actions don’t prove this premise.
Unlike the partisan republican hacks, I don’t believe most americans of any political persuasion is evil – but I do believe that republicans tend to have poor judgement because of their extremist elements.
Unlike the left that had a great purging of extremists during the 40s and 50s, America’s right has never been purged, and has grown progressively unhinged. Nazi propaganda is mild compared to anything Ann Coulter or from what I can see I-RIGHT-I or Smedley write.
Poor things, they’re so detached from reality, they’ve lost their judgement. I feel pity for the poor little scared boys – because clearly that’s what they are. They tremble at the thought of Terrorism, Iran, etc. Guys, you’re more likely to die of obesity – get over it.
January 14th, 2006 at 9:49 pmAEI will host an unprecedented Iranian-American town hall meeting with leaders of the opposition inside Iran. A panel of experts and activists at AEI will join a panel of opposition leaders in Iran to discuss the future of Iranian leadership, possible paths of reform, and the potential American role in this process. Audience members at AEI will have the rare opportunity to ask opposition leaders direct questions. This meeting will be live and simultaneously broadcast via KRSI radio (Los Angeles) into Iran. (Please note that this event will take place entirely in Farsi, with simultaneous translation available for our Washington audience.)
January 14th, 2006 at 9:52 pmYou need More IRI? I will give it to you.
January 14th, 2006 at 9:53 pmHow about you shaddap?
That’s interesting. I wonder if Bush will let Cheney stomp Condi, like he did to Powell.
In the end, though, Bush just doesn’t have the Army to invade Iran. (Of course, one could say the same thing about Iraq. But there, he had the army, he just didn’t use enough of it.)
What’s he done about North Korea’s nukes besides throw childish tantrums?
January 14th, 2006 at 9:55 pmI think YOU do;
LIKUD=NEO-CONS;
As Russia moves to reign in Likud Party domination
of its economics and media (Mikhail Khodorovsky, MTV etc) (its
economy destabilization engineered by Jeffrey Sachs of Harvard,
Robert Rubin, secretary of the treasury, George Soros etc.)
the people of the US are still in chains. Likud Party promoters in
the US control media, military, money, and the government.
Those promoting Ariel Sharon’s violence in Israel and
January 14th, 2006 at 9:55 pmWolfowitz Cheney Lieberman US military aggression in Iraq, Afghanistan, Colombia etc.
include Rupert Murdoch of Fox, Michael Eisner of Disney ABC,
(which is owned by the Israeli holding company Shamrock)
Clear Channel, war profiteer General Electric’s NBC, and
underreported Mel Karmazin (Viacom CBS MTV Westwood One which censors peace callers etc.) who
violated the law in acquiring 39% of the US market, who
sits on the board of the New York Stock Exchange
with Madeline Albright and Goldman Sachs exec.
DO YOU NEED MORE IRI?
January 14th, 2006 at 9:57 pmSHADDAP?
Kudos Rightpunch and Bush Bites =)
January 14th, 2006 at 10:01 pmIRI WTFU.
Was thinking about Cheney wanting to attack attack attack…should anyone here or anywhere be surprised. This nazi has attacked his own heart four times!!!!!
January 14th, 2006 at 10:39 pmI see Shaddup spins away that Gore was the one who cheated in 2000, but not his lover Bushie > lol.
Only enemy of Democracy is Dubya!!!
January 14th, 2006 at 10:49 pmShaddup,
Are you from the US, because I keep reading english words, but no coherent sentences or points. Is your intent to simply distract, whine and annoy, or do you just believe that anything wrong that’s repeated becomes right?
I mean what kind of person blames liberals for being anti-semitic, considering all of the republicans who blocked the US fighting germany because of their anti semitism? I guess you’ve never heard of the Henry Ford books slamming jews, or that Prescott Bush hated jews so much he funded hitler?
Many americans have a long history of bigotry (frankly of both parties), but since the bigoted democrats like strom thurmond left the Democrats for the Republicans, this has largely become a republican issue.
January 14th, 2006 at 11:34 pmShaddup,
David Duke, like you, and the rest of the american Nazis are republicans. You may not like them, and you may wish they weren’t republicans – but they are. And I notice you don’t turn down their money or votes when given.
January 14th, 2006 at 11:36 pmLet me divert for a second there. I was here when Israel attacked the nuclear facility in Baghdad during the 1980s. In all candor, when President Bush, on October 7, 2002, said, after all that buildup by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and everybody else, that facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait until the smoking gun is a mushroom cloud, I thought we were attacking for Israel. I thought that they knew about some kind of nuclear development there. And rather than getting them in further trouble with the United Nations and the Arab world, that its best friend, the United States, would knock it out for them. That is why I voted for it. I got misled. Our attack on Iraq, the invasion of Iraq is a bad mistake. I will get into that later. But let me read even further:
….. With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The answer: President Bush’s policy to secure Israel. Led by Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Charles Krauthammer, for years there had been a domino school of thought that the way to guarantee Israel’s security is to spread democracy in the area. Wolfowitz wrote: “The United States may not be able to lead countries through the door of democracy, but where that door is locked shut by a totalitarian deadbolt, American power may be the only way to open it up.”
Same mushroom cloud Scare as condi repeated. 10 years later.
January 15th, 2006 at 12:41 amPretty much sums up what Duhbya thinks of America
January 15th, 2006 at 12:43 amI-ran?!?
Heh-heh
We’re takin’ them out.
Heh-heh
[winkee-winkee]
January 15th, 2006 at 1:09 amShaddup thinks Al Gore is Jewish > lol. If he was then Shaddup would support Gore and NOT the German heritage Bush!
Real spelling of Bush name is Busch like the beer company!
Dubya’s grandfather Prescott was a Hitler lover and business associate of him too! And Junior takes after his gramps and loves fascism as well!
January 15th, 2006 at 1:10 amDeja vu is right.
I remember this crap.
What’s that old texass saying?
Oh yea, fool me once…shame on you…
fool me twice…..er…uh…
can’t git fooled again.
January 15th, 2006 at 1:28 amI am just wondering when they are announcing the reinstatement of the draft?
I mean, if were going to fight armies with over a million men, we got to get going, right?
January 15th, 2006 at 1:39 amWEll WORFEUS after Bush attacks Iran with nukes, the whole region will ignite like a bee hive so everyone 16 to 50 will be needed to hold off the Chinese hordes! Bush will send his daughters to Switzerland so they can avoid emergency draft! Bush lovers will be screaming when their sons and daughters are yanked into the army too!
January 15th, 2006 at 1:57 am“Actually, someone is talking about sanctions today, describing them as the “number one item on the agenda.”
Nico omits what Cheney continued to say. What he really said is sanctions are speculative at this point. The first step is diplomacy, as described by Condi. Completely consistent. Why did Nico hide Cheney’s full response? You can always count on Nico to carefully select and truncate statements to support his argument.
Q: Should the world be considering a serious economic embargo of Iran?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, I think the next step will be probably to go before the U.N. Security Council. And that would be probably the number one item on the agenda would be the resolution that could be enforced by sanctions, were they to fail to comply with it.
Now, that’s speculative at this point. No decision has been made on that, but that will be next step if the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency meets and concludes that the diplomatic track they’ve been on isn’t going to work, then the next step would be for the Board of Governors to vote to refer the entire matter to the Security Council.
Nope, Cheney wasn’t talking about sanctions today. Try again, Nico.
January 15th, 2006 at 2:14 amJay Randal,
You mean this guy:
Associated Press via Common Dreams
January 15th, 2006 at 2:21 amOctober 18, 2003
Newly Unclassified US Documents: Bush Ancestor’s Bank Seized by Gov’t
The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort.
That’s compelling evidence? No, it doesn’t exist. Therefore, not a Nazi.
Bush owned one share [of Union Banking]. Bush didn’t own or control the bank. Therefore, not a Nazi.
Union Banking Corp., a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family…
Fritz Thyssen was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. Bush didn’t own or control the bank. Not a Nazi.
Fritz Thyssen broke with the Nazis in 1938 over their persecution of Catholics and Jews, and fled to Switzerland. He later was arrested and spent 1941 to 1945 in a Nazi prison. Thyssen was against the persecution of Catholics and Jews. Nope, not a Nazi.
That was weak. Easily debunked. Try again.
January 15th, 2006 at 3:25 amSteed, you didn’t debunk anything, other than you don’t have an attention to detail:
http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2
After the war, a total of 18 additional Brown Brothers Harriman and UBC-related client assets were seized under The Trading with the Enemy Act, including several that showed the continuation of a relationship with the Thyssen family after the initial 1942 seizures.
The records also show that Bush and the Harrimans conducted business after the war with related concerns doing business in or moving assets into Switzerland, Panama, Argentina and Brazil – all critical outposts for the flight of Nazi capital after Germany’s surrender in 1945. Fritz Thyssen died in Argentina in 1951.
One of the final seizures, in October 1950, concerned the U.S. assets of a Nazi baroness named Theresia Maria Ida Beneditka Huberta Stanislava Martina von Schwarzenberg, who also used two shorter aliases. Brown Brothers Harriman, where Prescott Bush and the Harrimans were partners, attempted to convince government investigators that the baroness had been a victim of Nazi persecution and therefore should be allowed to maintain her assets.
January 15th, 2006 at 3:35 am“It appears, rather, that the subject was a member of the Nazi party,” government investigators concluded.
At the same time the last Brown Brothers Harriman client assets were seized, Prescott Bush announced his Senate campaign that led to his election in 1952.
And if anyone wonders why the CIA acts like the Nazis, the same investigations that uncovered the Bush/Nazi links, also discovered this:
January 15th, 2006 at 3:41 am
And one last item Steed,
Yes he was not only one of 7 directors, but it his job to manage UBC. Are you saying the ‘manager’ of the bank didn’t realize they were a Nazi front company? Sounds like the Enron/Katrina excuses. You can do better, and you should better, and hold your politicians responsible for their Nazi legacy. Until you do, the Nazi values will never become balanced within the republican party.
And here’s something from John Loftus a former US attorney who prosecuted Nazi war criminals in the 70s. Now living in St Petersburg, Florida and earning his living as a security commentator for Fox News and ABC radio. He’s hardly a ‘liberal’, and I hope you can open your mind to what he has to say.
“This was the mechanism by which Hitler was funded to come to power, this was the mechanism by which the Third Reich’s defence industry was re-armed, this was the mechanism by which Nazi profits were repatriated back to the American owners, this was the mechanism by which investigations into the financial laundering of the Third Reich were blunted,” said Loftus, who is vice-chairman of the Holocaust Museum in St Petersburg.
“The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the Nazis, for Fritz Thyssen,” said Loftus. “At various times, the Bush family has tried to spin it, saying they were owned by a Dutch bank and it wasn’t until the Nazis took over Holland that they realised that now the Nazis controlled the apparent company and that is why the Bush supporters claim when the war was over they got their money back. Both the American treasury investigations and the intelligence investigations in Europe completely bely that, it’s absolute horseshit. They always knew who the ultimate beneficiaries were.”
January 15th, 2006 at 3:56 amNow we know why they call him RightPunch.
Bam!
January 15th, 2006 at 4:08 amNH Gasette. Now I understand where your sources come from. It’s extreme left talking point editorials that are passed off as reporting. No wonder you rarely provide unbiased sources. You don’t have any. Who knows where you’re cutting this shit from.
Get this reponse to the question on why only Conservatives are listed on their chicken hawk database:
Why Are Only Conservatives Listed? It’s true, the CHDB is slanted toward reactionaries, but only because they’re running the country and started two wars. Trust us, if a Democrat were in office and sending our children overseas to die, we’d squawk. You can too…
Oh, no bias there. Shameful.
January 15th, 2006 at 5:11 amThe George Washington story is bull.
http://www.snopes.com/language/document/vision.htm
Al Gore would have been President if the Florida Supreme court didn’t illegally “select” Bush in a one time only decision to stop counting votes.
January 15th, 2006 at 7:34 am52% of Americans (polled by bi-partisan Zogby) believe Bush should be investigated and Impeached for wiretapping U.S. citizens without a warrant… We’re getting momentum!!!
http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2
January 15th, 2006 at 9:22 amChina and Russia will back Iran’s acquisition of nuclear weapons…
If Iran is attacked militarily by either Israel or Bushiva the Chinese, N. Koreans, Russians, and a worldwide network of smaller anti-Bushite nations will begin to wage economic, terrorist, and- starting with Taiwan- outright military confrontation testing of American resolve…
In oother words, America and Israel will finally be recognized as what they are (under Bushiva and the right wing zionist traitors in both countries) “rogue states”…
January 15th, 2006 at 9:51 amThere already have been some sanctions against companies doing business with Iran, as late as last month, barring them from doing business in the U.S.:
Several Chinese companies involved in selling missile goods and chemical-arms materials to Iran have been hit with U.S. sanctions, Bush administration officials said yesterday.
The sanctions cover six Chinese government-run companies, two Indian firms and one Austrian company, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
The penalties have been under consideration since April and were approved by Deputy Secretary of State Robert B. Zoellick within the past several weeks.
An announcement will be published in the U.S. government’s Federal Register in the next several days — and perhaps as early as today, the officials said.
The sanctions were imposed under the Iran Nonproliferation Act, which Congress passed in 2000 to deter international support for Iran’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and missile-delivery systems.
The penalties, which will last until December 2007, bar the companies from doing business with the U.S. government and prohibit U.S. firms from obtaining export licenses to sell sensitive products to these companies. The details of the transfers to Iran were not disclosed.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20051227-124948-5253r.htm
January 15th, 2006 at 10:21 amThat’s weird… I refreshed the screen and it went from 66 comments to 57… What happened?
January 15th, 2006 at 10:27 amThe sanctions were imposed under the Iran Nonproliferation Act, which Congress passed in 2000 to deter international support for Iran’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and missile-delivery systems.
The penalties, which will last until December 2007, bar the companies from doing business with the U.S. government and prohibit U.S. firms from obtaining export licenses to sell sensitive products to these companies. The details of the transfers to Iran were not disclosed.
Comment by Don #57
Don,
Given the economic position China has placed itself in vis-a-vis trade and ownership of American bonds I’m sure the Chinese are “crying in their beers”…
from laughter…
January 15th, 2006 at 10:40 amread the book Behimd The war On Terror its has the classic time line and how the bush cabal is going to take control of the Middle East and South American oil/natural gas .
bushcabal is going for all the marbles.
It is going to take an honest Republican or Republicans who does love our counry enough to make a stand on War Crimes, Profiteering, Crimes against humanity, Crimes against the Consitution of The United States and The E.U. and Arab Countries to end the cabal of bush/cheney/haliburton,exxo/shell/unicol/bp/chervon/england/aussies/poland/israel cabal.
January 15th, 2006 at 10:45 amThe scoop on bush’s family’s and the Nazi’s is factual .
January 15th, 2006 at 10:58 amThe other scoop is the ties between bush family and the owner of the Washington Times.
big papa,
I was just bringing evidence that sanctions already exist. Now, whether they have any worthwhile effect or not, particularly on the great tiger of asia, is a different story. I suspect that any corporate executive worth his salary, in any country, isn’t much troubled at all by an American bitch slap. And these sanctions don’t (and can’t) stop companies from doing business with Iran. As you indicate, and has been proven forcefully in Iraq, we tend to think that mighty America is more powerful than we actually are. In our brashness with China we come off as an upstart dealing with a wisened veteran. Two hundred years versus five thousand years of history. As you may know, in Chinese, the characters for “China” mean “central kingdom,” and the idea that the rest of the world is peripheral to Chinese interests. This is one factor we’re up against in the China/Iran relationship. Their fried rice isn’t bad, either.
January 15th, 2006 at 11:03 amIts a double-eged sword.
Literally everyone in America agrees that Iran really is producing nuclear weapons–they even threatned to take Isreal off the map. So if Iran does become hostile, we will have to resort to military action. If we don’t, we will be seriously screwed–Cold War all over again.
However, if we DO use military action against Iran, we will also be screwed. Bush, our commander-in-chief doesn’t know how to fight wars–example, Iraq. He is no FDR.
January 15th, 2006 at 11:28 amone big evil place America
January 15th, 2006 at 12:01 pmWar is a racket!
In the United States a relatively small number of corporate puppets, which some call a cult, control our national military policy.
This policy is to finance and maintain a large, expensive military force and to use it whenever fancy strikes in foreign lands we barely knew existed.
The principal purpose of this predatory serial warfare is to increase corporate profits to obscene levels.
However, this same policy exacts a cruel burden on those who carry it out and are otherwise subject to it. Many are murdered and injured in the name of some dubious cause. Our lives are impoverished.
A small group of people operating in secret to promote an enterprise which benefits the few at the expense of the many constitutes a racket.
And war is the most profitable racket in the world!
January 15th, 2006 at 12:03 pmYou don’t think the latest drone/F-16 missle attack on some Al-Qualude folks isn’t anything but a warning shot at ole Machmood Ireallyneedajob? Think about it. If we just offed Machmmod with a couple of missles, what would Iran really do? You know this strategy has been discused. it’s what should have been done to Saddam. It is so practical it’s scary. We don’t have inclination to treat them as sovereign nation so why not do their people a favor right? Excuse my ice cold sarcasm but it is year five for The President and soon he becomes impotent and time is wastin. We need a specfic commitment from Iraq regarding repartions. Give me my Oil stipend right now.
January 15th, 2006 at 12:17 pmHey dumbshit Steed. I never called him a Nazi. Prescott Bush was a Nazi sympathizer. Or is it that you are too stupid to know the difference. Here let me help you.
When Iraq was fighting Iran, Ronald Reagan sold weapons to Al Qiada. Making him an Al Qaida sympathizer, not an Al Qaida operative.
There is a difference dumbass.
January 15th, 2006 at 12:19 pmBREAKING NEWS:
AL Qaida’s number two man Al Zawahiri killed…again!
BREAKING NEWS:
Oops! Faulty U.S. intelligence strikes again: Al Zawahiri cheats death…again
BREAKING NEWS:
Republican House managers rumored to be preparing Articles of impeachment against Bill Clinton for Bush’s recently botched Pakistan missile attack, claiming the missiles and Predator drone used were manufactured during the Clinton era…
January 15th, 2006 at 12:34 pmYeah, what happened to threads having one to two hundred comments, I noticed this about a week or 2 ago, I know some threads have this many, but not much. Maybe the trolls are running out of gas, or something else is going on?
January 15th, 2006 at 12:58 pmKeep up the exposure of the Bush Clan Nazi lovers!
January 15th, 2006 at 1:07 pmIt is the reason why Georgie-Boy is so weird and fascistic!
Smedley,
January 15th, 2006 at 2:27 pmWhere did you get that Smedley Butler stuff? Did you click on my name? (a shameless plug for warisaracket.org)
To say we wouldn’t attack Iran would be crazy
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Republican and Democratic senators said on Sunday the United States may ultimately have to undertake a military strike to deter Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, but that should be the last resort.
“That is the last option. Everything else has to be exhausted. But to say under no circumstances would we exercise a military option, that would be crazy,” Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”
Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh of Illinois, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said there are sensitive elements of Iran’s nuclear program, which, if attacked, “would dramatically delay its development.”
January 15th, 2006 at 2:39 pmI can’t wait for our UN representative to get hold of this issue. I’m sure he will do us all proud. Don’t you?
January 15th, 2006 at 4:31 pmI can’t wait for our UN representative to get hold of this issue. I’m sure he will do us all proud. Don’t you?
Comment by california_reality_check
He’ll have to convince the Iranians against their better judgment that the pacifists don’t make foreign policy. If he can’t do that and they don’t stand down and give up their nuclear program we should draft your ass and put you on the front line for helping make it all possible.
January 15th, 2006 at 5:04 pmYeah, what happened to threads having one to two hundred comments, I noticed this about a week or 2 ago, I know some threads have this many, but not much. Maybe the trolls are running out of gas, or something else is going on?
Comment by For Truth
I’m not out of gas but let’s face it, there are only a few sane people that post here compared to you and your dozens. But I have a theory…I think some of the Walking Dead Losers have been reading what that crazy bastard in Iran has been saying and agree with me. That’s what I think. What do you think? Should we allow Iran to have a nuclear tip to go along with their intermediate range missiles?
January 15th, 2006 at 5:09 pmShould we allow Iran to have a nuclear tip to go along with their intermediate range missiles?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 15, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
Should we allow? We aren’t Iran’s parents… They are an independent nation. We don’t have jurisdiction to decide for them. It’s what keeps getting us in trouble – refusing to mind our own business out of some paranoid delusions that everyone is after us.
There are all kinds of countries in Europe that have higher standards of living than we do, as much money and freedoms, and yet no is flying planes into their buildings because they aren’t playing school yard bully like the Bush Regime has.
When are you going to understand that you have a greater chance of dying from a stroke than a terrorist attack?
January 15th, 2006 at 7:15 pmShould we allow Iran to have a nuclear tip to go along with their intermediate range missiles?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 15, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
Should we allow? We aren’t Iran’s parents…
Comment by unbelievable #77
unbelievable,
Proof positive that Bushites like IRI need “permission” to wipe the sh*t from their faces after removing their inbred heads from Bushiva’s a*shole…
January 15th, 2006 at 7:33 pmunbelievable,
Proof positive that Bushites like IRI need “permission†to wipe the sh*t from their faces after removing their inbred heads from Bushiva’s a*shole…
Comment by big papa — January 15, 2006 @ 7:33 pm
Clearly… This drives me nuts about these people. It’s what’s wrong with their religion, their children, and their politics. They are so engrained following in a hierachical system that no one is thinking for themselves… and as a result they elect an idiot who they serve with blind faith when what the man should be served is a straight jacket at Leavenworth…
January 15th, 2006 at 8:13 pmShould we allow Iran to have a nuclear tip to go along with their intermediate range missiles?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 15, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
Well, we only have 5 years until they can build ONE BOMB.
Theres an urgent reason to invade a foriegn nation if I ever heard of one.
Better hurry though.
I think I hear China coming. :|
January 15th, 2006 at 8:38 pmThis could start to be a problem for the Administration. south American Leftists. The PNAC fellas sure know how to inspire the dead. Or is it what goes around comes around… with a vengance. AP WORLDWIDE: http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-sa/2006/jan/15/011508429.html
January 15th, 2006 at 9:16 pmDick Cheney is the meanest vice-president this nation has ever had to endure! Nixon’s VP Agnew was nice compared to Cheney! Maybe like Ozzie Ozborne, old Dick bites the head off a bat each morning > lol.
January 15th, 2006 at 10:34 pmunbelievable,
January 15th, 2006 at 10:50 pmThese are the same people that always sat up front in high school and had the ‘right’ (approved) answers, and they’ve been conforming ever since, like sheep.
Naw the Republicans arent biased in their choice of a judge…im mean they wouldnt steal,,wait, that was done, i mean they wouldnt lie, done also…hmmm. Naw they couldnt possibly be favoring certain judges..not after the WMD thing, the billions gone missing in Iraq,,
Justice Sunday III” was held in the state where Alito, generally supported by conservatives, sits on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the No. 3 Senate Republican, told the gathering that liberal judges are “destroying traditional morality, creating a new moral code and prohibiting any dissent.”
“The only way to restore this republic our founders envisioned is to elevate honorable jurists like Samuel Alito,” Santorum said. “Unfortunately, the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee seem poised to drag these hearings into the gutter, so they can continue their far left judicial activism on the Supreme Court.”
January 16th, 2006 at 1:44 amSome liberals fear Alito is too conservative and could undermine abortion rights, a pivotal issue before the high court.
can you believe he said “New Moral code”
Yer looking pretty dumb Rick, at least thats what giacumo sez.
Maire;
http://www.nci.org/03NCI/11/WP-11.htm
or klik here
U.N.: Iran Has Used Plutonium for Years
Wednesday, June 15, 2005
IAEA: N. Korea Could Make Five or Six Nukes
VIENNA, Austria — Iran (search) has acknowledged it worked with small amounts of plutonium, a possible nuclear arms component, years longer than it previously admitted, according to a confidential U.N. report made available Wednesday to The Associated Press.
The report, which could be delivered as early as Thursday to a board meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (search), also said Tehran received sensitive technology that can be used as part of a weapons program earlier than it originally said.Marked “highly confidential,” the report to the IAEA was made available by a diplomat accredited to the agency who demanded anonymity because he is not authorized to release such information to the media.
Buschco is amping up the rhetoric. again.
January 16th, 2006 at 1:50 amnotice the part i pasted was from FOX news..Haha IRI
neogoner
the link is to a much more accurate accounting marie.
January 16th, 2006 at 1:53 amJustice Sunday III†was held in the state where Alito, generally supported by conservatives, sits on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the No. 3 Senate Republican, told the gathering that liberal judges are “destroying traditional morality, creating a new moral code and prohibiting any dissent.â€
how snuggly wuggly cozy wozy huggy wuggy gurlie wurlie can ya get?
January 16th, 2006 at 2:00 am“Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the No. 3 Senate Republican, told the gathering that liberal judges are “destroying traditional morality, creating a new moral code and prohibiting any dissent.â€
how snuggly wuggly cozy wozy huggy wuggy gurlie wurlie can ya get?
Comment by neo-gones
Sounds about right to me and not snuggly at all.
January 16th, 2006 at 8:50 amThese are the same people that always sat up front in high school and had the ‘right’ (approved) answers, and they’ve been conforming ever since, like sheep.
Comment by Don — January 15, 2006 @ 10:50 pm
Don,
It’s funny you say that because I recently switched careers and now teach at a high school level. And I’ve come to notice certain behaviors in different groups of children are most always tied into their stand on politics.
The freethinkers who are generally anti-religion, anti-authority and despite being teh smartest kids in the school are routinely labled as trouble makers and are often failing subjects out of a sheer refusal to be homogenized. They’re usually the ones who have an opinion on something that is their own and they frequently teach me something new. I think it’s partly because they are ahead of their peers due to their parents having a sense of reality that their job it to prepare these kids for life, and not over protect them to their detriment.
On the other hand, there are those that you mentioned who sit up front, always do their homework, and never make trouble. Most teachers love these kids and they are always making derogatory and judgmental comments about the less fortunate students from broken homes. The arrogance can be blinding sometimes so I usually pull them back to reality with some casual remark about how appreciative they should be that they have parents who care…
January 16th, 2006 at 8:52 amunbelievable,
Thanks for your comments. You’re now out there on the ‘front lines’ trying to make a difference in a society that is intolerant of difference. And the intolerance comes to the ‘different’ from both their peers as well as the administration.
An illustration we sometimes use in our house, because we’re bluegrass fans, is the Cherryholmes Family. After a family tragedy about five years ago, as a release they started playing around with instruments, then came jamming at the local hangouts, then up on stages, then touring, and just recently they were named Bluegrass Entertainers of the year!! We’ve watched the kids grow, and get more proficient, and gain awards for song-writing and picking, and can’t help but wonder, even with their on-the-road home-schooling, how well they might do on standardized algebra and English tests prescribed by Washington. Probably about as well as Bush would, I imagine. And they’d be classified as ‘losers’ if they didn’t do well, even though they are musical geniuses.
Well, maybe it’s a poor example, I don’t know.
I just received something that intrigued me, from someone I hardly know, in a ‘broadcast’ email. — “. . .i doubt it and in any case i do not choose my beliefs
according to the most consistent interpretation of the
evidence; rather, i choose the worldview which best
permits me to empower the people around me (including
myself), and then work backwards to bring the evidence
in line. either way is open to error, but the
fundamental question is, do you prefer to react to
reality, or to generate it? if you ask me, that’s a
no-brainer. …anyway you either get me or you don’t,
but this tangent is over. if you are bored with
letting your life tell you who you are and interested
in becoming the kind ruler of your world then hit me
back. it doesn’t matter who they are. it matters who
*you* are. ’nuff said.” — Interesting, no? Do we react to reality, or do we generate it?
Many posters on this site, and other posters on conservative sites that I visit, often seem to be stifled by conformity. If the President says the sky is red, then the sky is red. What color is the sky, Johnny? It’s red. You get an “A.” How boring to live your life like that, to miss the beauty of a blue sky. How boring to think that someone else is better able to tell me what is best than I am to tell myelf. What a waste to live according to someone else’s rules rather than my own, because, quite frankly, my rules are better and more considerate of others than theirs are. More often then not, their rules for me are based on their self-interest, with financial gain a common motivation.
January 16th, 2006 at 2:34 pmunbelievable ;
You remind me a of a lady I used to date.
She was a High School Spanish teacher.
January 16th, 2006 at 3:10 pmDon,
I like your illustration – because it is very applicable to the modern ‘education’ system. We put way too much emphasis on the ability to take tests rather than function in reality, get along with other human beings – especially those we don’t agree with, think for ourselves, and be responsible citizens. It’s so much about homogenization and ‘discipline’ that what matters is getting lost – the kids…
I was hiking through the Green River area of Utah and encountered a family. While the mother was reading from the National Park brochure to her four kids as they scurried over the rocks looking at plants, minerals and the amazing view, the father said to me “This is the best classroom there is.” And I agreed. Said that in Germany, the students are required to travel and take trips as part of tehi education. Here, they’ve cut all trips from the budget because of ‘gas prices’. It’s nonsense. Parents are always willing to volunteer to carpool or pitch in a few bucks to help out. The School District is just making excuses.
And it really is about conformity for many of the people in the system, especially the higher you go – all about having minions repeat what they think to somehow validate themselves. I believe positions of authority tend to attract people with neurosis who are generally huge control freaks with soe inferiority issues that they pass off on to others by forcing them to conform to their way. And what easier a target than impressionable young minds… We don’t seem to understand that hierarchy only works for those at the top of the pyramid, and never those at the bottom. When we instead work as a team, with team leaders who are experience meant to guide rather than demand, and encourage rather than instruct, we don’t crush the spirit and the hope of the future under the burden of carrying the weight of the past.
Will it change? Not in our lifetime… But maybe, if we can atleast start the system on a new course, it will be possible for future generations… So, I guess we just do the best we can and hope that amid all the turmoil we can make a difference in at least one life…
I enjoyed your post on the subject. Was nice to have some intelligent dialog rather than troll battling… thanks.
January 17th, 2006 at 7:26 amYou remind me a of a lady I used to date.
She was a High School Spanish teacher.
Comment by WORFEUS — January 16, 2006 @ 3:10 pm
How so?
WORFEUS you remind me of the kind of guys I should have dated… (my dad wasn’t the ideal role model for that).
January 17th, 2006 at 7:29 amThe freethinkers who are generally anti-religion, anti-authority and despite being teh smartest kids in the school are routinely labled as trouble makers and are often failing subjects out of a sheer refusal to be homogenized.
Comment by unbelievable
One word;Columbine. I bet Harris and Kliebold had a teacher just like you.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:01 am#92 And your CI.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:19 amOne word;Columbine. I bet Harris and Kliebold had a teacher just like you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 17, 2006 @ 11:01 am
Never matters with wingnut parents like you (which they had).
January 17th, 2006 at 1:57 pmEric Harris
Harris was born April 9, 1981 in Wichita, Kansas. His parents, Wayne and Kathy, were both born in Colorado. However, the family moved around quite a bit, as Wayne was a U.S. Air Force transport pilot.
Earlier in childhood, Eric was in the Little League and was a Boy Scout. Eric wanted to be in the United States Marine Corps, but was rejected from the Corps several days before the shooting due to the fact that he was taking Luvox (Fluvoxamine maleate), an SSRI antidepressant, and had a birth defect affecting his sternum. Eric was on Luvox at the time of the shooting and had recently come off Zoloft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold
His dad was in the military and he was a religious racist boy scout who wanted to play with bombs and guns when he grew up… uh, hello, that’s conservative. He’s one of yours.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:52 pmHe’s one of yours.
Comment by unbelievable
Nope, definitely one of yours. With any luck he shot one of the teachers who recommended he be on those drugs. This is another reason why women shouldn’t be teaching boys. You don’t like them being boys so you drug them.
taking Luvox (Fluvoxamine maleate), an SSRI antidepressant, and had a birth defect affecting his sternum. Eric was on Luvox at the time of the shooting and had recently come off Zoloft.
January 18th, 2006 at 1:48 pmtaking Luvox (Fluvoxamine maleate), an SSRI antidepressant, and had a birth defect affecting his sternum. Eric was on Luvox at the time of the shooting and had recently come off Zoloft.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 18, 2006 @ 1:48 pm
Yes, I read that… what’s your point? That the drugs made them do it? And why were they on anti-depressants at such a young age when most kids are supposed to be happy and carefree? Screwball parents who expect unrealistic perfection from their progeny because their religion demands it.
The United States has the highest teenage suicide rate in the world. And when you ask the kids why they consider it as an option, they say that it’s because they can’t take the pressure put upon them all the time. Their parents want role model, super-acheiving, straight A, angelic little cherubs who are sports stars and never do wrong. Who go to an Ivy League college and bear them lots of grandchildren. Who win at everything and live fairytale existences happily ever after. No one is like that. And the sensitive ones think it’s their fault that they aren’t good enough.
We refuse to accept human behavior and instead try to force people to fit some unrealistic ideal that leaves many teenagers thinking that death will at least allow them some rest… It’s pathetic.
January 19th, 2006 at 9:32 amNope, definitely one of yours. With any luck he shot one of the teachers who recommended he be on those drugs. This is another reason why women shouldn’t be teaching boys. You don’t like them being boys so you drug them.
Stop sterotyping. I am against anti-depressants because I believe they are a lazy solution to a serious problem. I also think they are tied to the greedy Big Business that I abhor. I would never recommend them. I would recommend the parents give up their materialistic pursuits to keep up with the Joneses so they can spent time with their kids. Both parents – not just mom. It’s why the men of our generation (I get the feeling we are of similar age) are such mama’s boys…
I raised my brothers, so I actually do better with the boys. I guess I make up for all of the passive female role models they have who are disappointed that their baby boy isn’t the next NBA star. I don’t like most women. I think they are too submissive and willfully ignorant. My few female friends are all strong, independent and intelligent.
Do you have kids?
January 19th, 2006 at 9:41 am