Stop sterotyping. I am against anti-depressants because I believe they are a lazy solution to a serious problem. I also think they are tied to the greedy Big Business that I abhor. I would never recommend them. I would recommend the parents give up their materialistic pursuits to keep up with the Joneses so they can spent time with their kids. Both parents – not just mom. It’s why the men of our generation (I get the feeling we are of similar age) are such mama’s boys…

I raised my brothers, so I actually do better with the boys. I guess I make up for all of the passive female role models they have who are disappointed that their baby boy isn’t the next NBA star. I don’t like most women. I think they are too submissive and willfully ignorant. My few female friends are all strong, independent and intelligent.

Do you have kids?

Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 18, 2006 @ 1:48 pm

Yes, I read that… what’s your point? That the drugs made them do it? And why were they on anti-depressants at such a young age when most kids are supposed to be happy and carefree? Screwball parents who expect unrealistic perfection from their progeny because their religion demands it.

The United States has the highest teenage suicide rate in the world. And when you ask the kids why they consider it as an option, they say that it’s because they can’t take the pressure put upon them all the time. Their parents want role model, super-acheiving, straight A, angelic little cherubs who are sports stars and never do wrong. Who go to an Ivy League college and bear them lots of grandchildren. Who win at everything and live fairytale existences happily ever after. No one is like that. And the sensitive ones think it’s their fault that they aren’t good enough.

We refuse to accept human behavior and instead try to force people to fit some unrealistic ideal that leaves many teenagers thinking that death will at least allow them some rest… It’s pathetic.

Comment by unbelievable

Nope, definitely one of yours. With any luck he shot one of the teachers who recommended he be on those drugs. This is another reason why women shouldn’t be teaching boys. You don’t like them being boys so you drug them.

taking Luvox (Fluvoxamine maleate), an SSRI antidepressant, and had a birth defect affecting his sternum. Eric was on Luvox at the time of the shooting and had recently come off Zoloft.

Harris was born April 9, 1981 in Wichita, Kansas. His parents, Wayne and Kathy, were both born in Colorado. However, the family moved around quite a bit, as Wayne was a U.S. Air Force transport pilot.

Earlier in childhood, Eric was in the Little League and was a Boy Scout. Eric wanted to be in the United States Marine Corps, but was rejected from the Corps several days before the shooting due to the fact that he was taking Luvox (Fluvoxamine maleate), an SSRI antidepressant, and had a birth defect affecting his sternum. Eric was on Luvox at the time of the shooting and had recently come off Zoloft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold

His dad was in the military and he was a religious racist boy scout who wanted to play with bombs and guns when he grew up… uh, hello, that’s conservative. He’s one of yours.

Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 17, 2006 @ 11:01 am

Never matters with wingnut parents like you (which they had).

Comment by unbelievable

One word;Columbine. I bet Harris and Kliebold had a teacher just like you.

Comment by WORFEUS — January 16, 2006 @ 3:10 pm

How so?

WORFEUS you remind me of the kind of guys I should have dated… (my dad wasn’t the ideal role model for that).

I like your illustration – because it is very applicable to the modern ‘education’ system. We put way too much emphasis on the ability to take tests rather than function in reality, get along with other human beings – especially those we don’t agree with, think for ourselves, and be responsible citizens. It’s so much about homogenization and ‘discipline’ that what matters is getting lost – the kids…

I was hiking through the Green River area of Utah and encountered a family. While the mother was reading from the National Park brochure to her four kids as they scurried over the rocks looking at plants, minerals and the amazing view, the father said to me “This is the best classroom there is.” And I agreed. Said that in Germany, the students are required to travel and take trips as part of tehi education. Here, they’ve cut all trips from the budget because of ‘gas prices’. It’s nonsense. Parents are always willing to volunteer to carpool or pitch in a few bucks to help out. The School District is just making excuses.

And it really is about conformity for many of the people in the system, especially the higher you go – all about having minions repeat what they think to somehow validate themselves. I believe positions of authority tend to attract people with neurosis who are generally huge control freaks with soe inferiority issues that they pass off on to others by forcing them to conform to their way. And what easier a target than impressionable young minds… We don’t seem to understand that hierarchy only works for those at the top of the pyramid, and never those at the bottom. When we instead work as a team, with team leaders who are experience meant to guide rather than demand, and encourage rather than instruct, we don’t crush the spirit and the hope of the future under the burden of carrying the weight of the past.

Will it change? Not in our lifetime… But maybe, if we can atleast start the system on a new course, it will be possible for future generations… So, I guess we just do the best we can and hope that amid all the turmoil we can make a difference in at least one life…

I enjoyed your post on the subject. Was nice to have some intelligent dialog rather than troll battling… thanks.

You remind me a of a lady I used to date.

She was a High School Spanish teacher.

Thanks for your comments. You’re now out there on the ‘front lines’ trying to make a difference in a society that is intolerant of difference. And the intolerance comes to the ‘different’ from both their peers as well as the administration.

An illustration we sometimes use in our house, because we’re bluegrass fans, is the Cherryholmes Family. After a family tragedy about five years ago, as a release they started playing around with instruments, then came jamming at the local hangouts, then up on stages, then touring, and just recently they were named Bluegrass Entertainers of the year!! We’ve watched the kids grow, and get more proficient, and gain awards for song-writing and picking, and can’t help but wonder, even with their on-the-road home-schooling, how well they might do on standardized algebra and English tests prescribed by Washington. Probably about as well as Bush would, I imagine. And they’d be classified as ‘losers’ if they didn’t do well, even though they are musical geniuses.

Well, maybe it’s a poor example, I don’t know.

I just received something that intrigued me, from someone I hardly know, in a ‘broadcast’ email. — “. . .i doubt it and in any case i do not choose my beliefs
according to the most consistent interpretation of the
evidence; rather, i choose the worldview which best
permits me to empower the people around me (including
myself), and then work backwards to bring the evidence
in line. either way is open to error, but the
fundamental question is, do you prefer to react to
reality, or to generate it? if you ask me, that’s a
no-brainer. …anyway you either get me or you don’t,
but this tangent is over. if you are bored with
letting your life tell you who you are and interested
in becoming the kind ruler of your world then hit me
back. it doesn’t matter who they are. it matters who
*you* are. ’nuff said.” — Interesting, no? Do we react to reality, or do we generate it?

Many posters on this site, and other posters on conservative sites that I visit, often seem to be stifled by conformity. If the President says the sky is red, then the sky is red. What color is the sky, Johnny? It’s red. You get an “A.” How boring to live your life like that, to miss the beauty of a blue sky. How boring to think that someone else is better able to tell me what is best than I am to tell myelf. What a waste to live according to someone else’s rules rather than my own, because, quite frankly, my rules are better and more considerate of others than theirs are. More often then not, their rules for me are based on their self-interest, with financial gain a common motivation.

Comment by Don — January 15, 2006 @ 10:50 pm

Don,

It’s funny you say that because I recently switched careers and now teach at a high school level. And I’ve come to notice certain behaviors in different groups of children are most always tied into their stand on politics.

The freethinkers who are generally anti-religion, anti-authority and despite being teh smartest kids in the school are routinely labled as trouble makers and are often failing subjects out of a sheer refusal to be homogenized. They’re usually the ones who have an opinion on something that is their own and they frequently teach me something new. I think it’s partly because they are ahead of their peers due to their parents having a sense of reality that their job it to prepare these kids for life, and not over protect them to their detriment.

On the other hand, there are those that you mentioned who sit up front, always do their homework, and never make trouble. Most teachers love these kids and they are always making derogatory and judgmental comments about the less fortunate students from broken homes. The arrogance can be blinding sometimes so I usually pull them back to reality with some casual remark about how appreciative they should be that they have parents who care…

how snuggly wuggly cozy wozy huggy wuggy gurlie wurlie can ya get?

Comment by neo-gones

Sounds about right to me and not snuggly at all.

Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the No. 3 Senate Republican, told the gathering that liberal judges are “destroying traditional morality, creating a new moral code and prohibiting any dissent.”

how snuggly wuggly cozy wozy huggy wuggy gurlie wurlie can ya get?

the link is to a much more accurate accounting marie.

Yer looking pretty dumb Rick, at least thats what giacumo sez.

Maire;
http://www.nci.org/03NCI/11/WP-11.htm
or klik here
U.N.: Iran Has Used Plutonium for Years
Wednesday, June 15, 2005
IAEA: N. Korea Could Make Five or Six Nukes
VIENNA, Austria — Iran (search) has acknowledged it worked with small amounts of plutonium, a possible nuclear arms component, years longer than it previously admitted, according to a confidential U.N. report made available Wednesday to The Associated Press.
The report, which could be delivered as early as Thursday to a board meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (search), also said Tehran received sensitive technology that can be used as part of a weapons program earlier than it originally said.Marked “highly confidential,” the report to the IAEA was made available by a diplomat accredited to the agency who demanded anonymity because he is not authorized to release such information to the media.

Buschco is amping up the rhetoric. again.

Justice Sunday III” was held in the state where Alito, generally supported by conservatives, sits on the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, the No. 3 Senate Republican, told the gathering that liberal judges are “destroying traditional morality, creating a new moral code and prohibiting any dissent.”

“The only way to restore this republic our founders envisioned is to elevate honorable jurists like Samuel Alito,” Santorum said. “Unfortunately, the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee seem poised to drag these hearings into the gutter, so they can continue their far left judicial activism on the Supreme Court.”
Some liberals fear Alito is too conservative and could undermine abortion rights, a pivotal issue before the high court.