Iran Is The New Iraq
By on Jan 14th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
Iran Is The New Iraq
President Bush, 1/13/06:
Iran, armed with a nuclear weapon, poses a grave threat to the security of the world.
President Bush 10/7/02:
Tonight I want to take a few minutes to discuss a grave threat to peace…The threat comes from Iraq…It is seeking nuclear weapons.
UPDATE: More deja vu. An annotated satellite image of Iran.
(Via Powerline)
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January 14th, 2006 at 1:59 pmGood. Maybe he'll send his private army there where they'll be smashed like wet turds.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:02 pmAnd here's the real reason why Iran is on the list:
http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/?NewsCode=28176&NewsKind=Business+%26+Economy
And here is why it is important:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html
January 14th, 2006 at 2:05 pmIran seems to be wanting nuclear power for energy and even if they want to build a N-bomb so what ..the world has to realise all nuclear bombs should be banned then i accept going into Iran..There was a certain amount of scaling down nuclear weapons until madman Bush got into power ..since then there has been a reversal on scaling down ...America ban the bomb too and stop using it for bullying everyone ...
January 14th, 2006 at 2:06 pm"It's not about oil,it's about terrrrus"...sure george.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:08 pmand even on fast track to make a bomb will takr five years where as north Korea has benn using uranium gas certifuges since 1997 ...go for them first ...But America only picks on weaker countries like Iraq that was NO THREAT ...BLOODY COWARDS YOU AMERICANS REALLY ARE
January 14th, 2006 at 2:10 pmEasy Scotman
They real cowards here are about 30%, so tone it down here or f**k off somewhere else.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:14 pmUnfortunarely this tiome Bush is right However because he lied about Iraq no one believes him. Also Iran knows that we cannot do anything to deter their nuclear program, because our troops are stuck in Iraq.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:16 pmTerry,
January 14th, 2006 at 2:16 pmThanks for the links. Will all the things America wanted kill them? Big China? Fair EU oil prices? Microsoft censoring to protect foreign governments? All this time we could have been perfecting the perfect energy efficient society?
The freaks better believe in their own evolution because the Rapture ain't comin' for these quacks.
I appreciate the Scotsman's comments for helping us Americans realize how much of the world sees us.
Thanks George Bush for making most of the world hate us and fear us more than the communist Chinese.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:17 pmWhy is it that all the people with the oil, or who want the oil, are always the crazy men who want to kill everyone too? Who will buy the oil if everyone is dead?
January 14th, 2006 at 2:18 pmYes Jeff,
Pu**yboy Bush has waisted two and a half years and all the resources for oil, while Iran and N. Korea have been busy bees. What else from the worst preident ever.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:19 pmIran's current leader is there because spooked Iranians, who don't even care for this guy, are afraid-
January 14th, 2006 at 2:19 pmIran was turning the corner and Condi and the criminals called them "Evil". No shame. Only racism and hypocrisy.
Iran is going to be just like China. A capitalistic dictatorship. These are the monsters America created.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:22 pmIf he attacks them, I'm moving to Europe. And I'm not kidding.
How stupid does this man think we all are? I grew up in a family with decorated war heros who loved this country enough to give their lives to fight for it. But this is no longer that country. George Bush has assure that.
I'm a pacifist who is tired of signing Impeachment petitions... we need another Revolution.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:24 pmAgain Bubble boy is putting our troops at risk. Our troops are spent and weary and now they have to defend themselves against a couple of million more people that hate America.
Bush hates the troops.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:27 pmMy Canadian point of view...
Bush lied about Iraq, no doubt about it.
But this time it's a little bit different.
We have a wacko who talks about destroying a neighbour country and perusing a nuclear program.
This time Europe is on the same page...
That's the whole problem with Iraq, now that the threat is serious, Bush no longer have the credibility to address it.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:32 pmJudd took Bush's words out of context, making it look like Iran HAS a nuclear weapon.
"Iran, armed with a nuclear weapon, poses a grave threat to the security of the world."
This is what Bush actually said:
The U.N. Security Council is part of the diplomatic process, started by Germany, France, and Great Britain representing the interests of a lot of countries like ourself, which made it abundantly clear to the Iranians that the development of the know-how and our -- a nuclear weapon was unacceptable. And the reason it's unacceptable is because Iran, armed with a nuclear weapon, poses a grave threat to the security of the world.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:37 pmHello $100.00 barrels of oil.
Goodbye to the saggy Bush recovery in the economy.
-GSD
January 14th, 2006 at 2:40 pmHere we go again. Rhetoric redux.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:40 pmSoon, we will attack Iran (or Israel will and we will back them).
Another war for oil because the Texas oil boys have one-track minds. Money=oil -- Oil=money.
Alternative energy? Certainly not in the Bush agenda.
(Underdeveloped nations are eager for solar, wind and renewable sources of energy but have no $$ to begin any program.)
If we had spent a fraction of the time and resources on renewable fuel instead of keeping us dependent on oil, and starting wars to preserve that dependency we might have a few friends in the world.
You know, I think it is important to point out here that it will take 5 YEARS for Iran to build a functional bomb.
5 YEARS.
So before everyone get's wrapped up in the right winged "we gotta protect ourselves from them" crapola, we might want to consider the fact that 5 years is a LONG TIME to work out a solution.
They ain't gonna blow us up tomorrow folks.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:46 pmThis has and remains about oil. The neo-cons realize the time is short to establish a permanant foothold in Iraq. If Iran comes into play, it will reduce the focus on Iraq. A few bombs will be dropped on Iran to destroy the "nuclear bomb making facilities" and then the prez will say, that we have to stay in Iraq (why do you think we are building all those bases?) to keep an eye on the dangerous and terrorizing nuclear bomb interested Iran. So, he gets to blast the crap out of Iran, keep troops in Iraq and look likes he's protecting the oil interestes ops, the world from N Bomb making terrorists.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:46 pmWe got FIVE YEARS righties.
FIVE YEARS
If you can't think of something other than immediate invasion, then you guys are the bloodthirsty chumpettes I think you are.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:48 pmI'll believe in the US diplomatic efforts with tespect to Iran when the administration insists on Israel,India and Pakistan signing the NNPT.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:48 pmWhen that happens,all of them being regional neighbors of Iran,then telling Iran not to restart their program makes no sense.
Bad news, troops. You know how you guys been defending freedom and all that in Iraq? Well, now you have to defend us against Iran.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:50 pmThis time Europe is on the same page…
That’s the whole problem with Iraq, now that the threat is serious, Bush no longer have the credibility to address it.
Comment by David Gagnon — January 14, 2006 @ 2:32 pm
If this is so, then this time, let's let Germany or France or Sweden take the lead why we sit this one out. Why are we supposed to be Sheriff every time? Let someone else take a turn while Bush has a time out and keeps his mouth shut.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:53 pmJudd took Bush’s words out of context, making it look like Iran HAS a nuclear weapon.
Comment by Don — January 14, 2006 @ 2:37 pm
No he didn't Don. That's what he said. The words around it did nothing to take away from the fact that Bush is using the idea of Iran having the bomb, the same way he used the idea of a Mushroom cloud coming to an American city if we didn't attack Iraq.
What a stupid, stupid thing to say.
Of course, Bush is a stupid, stupid man.
And those who follow him?
Dumb and Dumber.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:55 pmIt's like the line in CRASH.
You embarass the rest of us. You embarass yourselves.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:56 pm"A political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief."
-Pres. George W. Bush, 10/24/2004 Campaign Speech
He's his own best weapon in why we shouldn't trust him.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:58 pm"I made it very plain: We will not have an all-volunteer army. [Crowd boos] Let me restate that. We will not have a draft. [Crowd Cheers]"
-Bush speaking at the Daytona International Speedway with his brother, Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, October 16, 2004 [69]
January 14th, 2006 at 2:59 pmLook out Blue States. Bushie will have to attack us again to convince us that Iran did it.
January 14th, 2006 at 2:59 pmI think it is vitally important for a President to know when to use military force.
I think it is also very important for him to know when not to commit U.S. military force.
And it’s my view that the President got it right both times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the quagmire inside Iraq.â€
Tricky Dick Cheney, April 29, 1991
January 14th, 2006 at 3:00 pm"I'm a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with war on my mind."
George Bush on NBC's "Meet the Press", Feb. 8, 2004
January 14th, 2006 at 3:01 pmAnother 2,300 dead and 16,000 wounded are on the way home from another war of choice.
Tom Delay could redeem himself and join the Army. His daughter could join, too; Republican family values, patriotic duty and all of that nonchalant jazz.
Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter could join the Marines.
You know how they can point with pride and view with alarm. They're Republicans; that's all they really know how to do.
If you're a gun totin' Republican, you shouldn't waste anymore time, and just join your armed service branch of your choice.
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
"Conformity is the enemy of truth and the jailer of freedom." - John F. Kennedy
Hot diggitey Dog diggitey
"We's don't wants dem thar Iranians having a new-clee-ar baumb, we'll baumb the bejesus out of them if theys do, by golly"
January 14th, 2006 at 3:02 pmMy question (and concern) is will Bush use his "authority" under the force resolution (that was supposed to be against Al-Quada and those shown to have ties) to invade Iran?
Will Congress finally stop him if he claims it was an open invitation for him to invade any country he chooses?
January 14th, 2006 at 3:02 pm"Just remember it's the birds that's supposed to suffer, not the hunter."
George Bush advising quail hunter and New Mexico Sen. Pete Domenici, Roswell, N.M., Jan. 22, 2004
January 14th, 2006 at 3:02 pm"So what's the difference?"
Geoge Bush Dec 16, 2003 to Diane Sawyer, as she presses about the administration's verbiage about Iraqi WMD vs. the fact none were used or found
January 14th, 2006 at 3:04 pmIf you’re a gun totin’ Republican, you shouldn’t waste anymore time, and just join your armed service branch of your choice.
Comment by Ron — January 14, 2006 @ 3:02 pm
That about sums it up there Ron.
Right now, I could not imagine being a person in here supporting a war, that I was not willing to go fight in.
I tried to enlist in Desert Storm (the recruiters are still laughing) because I believed in it.
Why don't these chickenhawks do likewise.
GO SIGN UP. I'll BET THEY'LL TAKE YOU.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:05 pm"Free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction."
George Bush, Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003
(He does know that we have thousands of them, doesn't he?)
January 14th, 2006 at 3:06 pmIt's about oil, and the proposed euro-based Irani oil bourse, and Iran as the principal oil supplier for China. China is one of our official 'enemies' (along with Iran, Syria, North Korea and Venezuela) and was probably #1 in Bush's sights before 9/11, even though China holds $400 billion of our debt (#2 behind Japan).
January 14th, 2006 at 3:07 pm"We won't be proven wrong […] I believe that we will find the truth. And the truth is, he was developing a program for weapons of mass destruction."
-George Bush responding to a question about the importance of finding WMD in Iraq, The Cross Hall, Jul. 17, 2003
January 14th, 2006 at 3:07 pmAxis of evil eh? George Bush is shitting in his pants right now with empty words and empty rhetoric along with a whole lot of incredibility. He has none nada! Sooner or later wise guy Cowboys have to stroll out in the Noonday Sun for a showdown. I believe that Bush and Company will run for the hills sooner or later.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:09 pmFor the Righties in this country get ready. 10 buck a gallon gas exhorbitant heating gas prices will bring all of you to your slobbering knees. If that was not enoug momma nature has some rude surprises in store for you as well. I love watching those houses burn in red texas and Oklahoma. Hurricanes battering the slovenly racist bigots who inhabit the South along the Panhandle right on up through Mississippi and Arkansas including Louisiana. I say it is time for a showdown alright but regret that some of us Progressives have to be victimized as well.
The real problem with Iran, is that China is not going to sit idly by and watch the world tamper with one of it's primary suppliers of Oil.
This is where my old posts on the new Chinese-Russo alliance come into play.
We played our trump cards too early with Iraq, and now we are standing here with spoooge on our trousers, looking dumb with an empty peashooter and a real woman who is hot to trot.
I bet dubya's has that premature release problem in other areas of his life as well.
Guys like him always do.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:09 pm"There's an old saying in Tennessee, I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee, that says 'Fool me once . . . shame on . . . shame on you . . . Imafoola...I can't get fooled again.'"
— President George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
I guess we'll see....
January 14th, 2006 at 3:09 pmunbelievable you are on a roll today.
You are cracking me up! LOL.
That stuff's priceless. :D
January 14th, 2006 at 3:11 pmI guess it's easy when you've got good material, huh? ;)
January 14th, 2006 at 3:11 pmSo long Mom!
January 14th, 2006 at 3:12 pmI'm off to bomb Iran!
So don't wait up for me.
"If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road."
-George Bush, October 3, 2000
January 14th, 2006 at 3:12 pmwas probably #1 in Bush’s sights before 9/11, even though China holds $400 billion of our debt (#2 behind Japan).
Comment by Don — January 14, 2006 @ 3:07 pm
Don, I can safely state that China is not even on the horizon for Bush.
Bush does not pick fights with guys his own size.
He picks fights he thinks he can win.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:13 pmI have written both my Senators, my House Rep, and the Chair of the House Judiciary. I have signed petitions.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:18 pmHave you done your part??
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/
^^^ Write a letter and send it to your House Rep and both your Senators
http://www.house.gov/sensenbrenner/contact.htm
Send a copy to this guy ^^ Chair of the House Judiciary
http://fusioner.proboards60.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1131129004
^^^ Grassroots Petition Drive ^^^
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904#survey
^^ MSNBC Impeachment Poll ^^
Will _YOU_ help? Are you American?
WORFEUS,
I am frequently amazed at how George Bush is such treasure trove for so many great reasons to distrust him...
I found a list of his quotes and it's hysterical how many of them apply against him rather than for him... It's like he's his own poster child for Impeachment. Plus, I figured you'd guys would like to hear what George himself has to say (since the trolls always accuse us otherwise :)
Here's the link if you find you want to amuse yourself further: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
And one for the road...
"We cannot rely exclusively on military power to assure our long-term security. Lasting peace is gained as justice and democracy advance."
-Whitehall Palace, London, November 2003
January 14th, 2006 at 3:19 pmThe Peoples Liberation Army is about 2 and a half Million Men Strong.
That does not include auxillary divisions which estimate at least double that amount, with some estimates higher.
Combine that with their new partnership with Russia, bringing more nukes, armour, air support, and equipment to the table, we are talking at about 3 million boots on the ground ready troops, that could be deployed into the Gulf anytime now.
With the highly trained (and rested) Iranian army supporting them, and the nation of Iran providing a base of operations, I shudder to think of the consequences.
Why do you think Bushco is talking about bringing the troops home?
Cause if we don't, there won't be any more troops.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:21 pmPaula,
I spent the moring signing more Impeachment and censure petitions. I write my elected neocons regularly, and they seem to still be ignoring me... I think a lot of us do (or we wouldn't be in here)... it's just whether or not we have enough pens to stop that sword that Bush swinging...
January 14th, 2006 at 3:22 pmInteresting viewpoint on where a attack on Iran will take the US.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:23 pmStop Unbelievable, you're killin me LOL.....
That's a great collection.
It should be an album.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:24 pmJudd thinks this is a new problem since he was probably riding his tricycle in the 90's.
1996 Iran and Libya Sanctions Act
Purpose: The Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996 imposes new sanctions on foreign companies that engage in specified economic transactions with Iran or Libya. It is intended to:
-- Help deny Iran and Libya revenues that could be used to finance international terrorism;
-- Limit the flow of resources necessary to obtain weapons of mass destruction; and,
-- Put pressure on Libya to comply with U.N. resolutions that, among other things, call for Libya to extradite for trial the accused perpetrators of the Pan Am 103 bombing.
But when Clinton chose to not enforce them (and once again passing another problem onto the next administration. We all new Clinton governed by popularity polls and never took a risk, even when the nations security was at risk), Congress was concerned:
"This proliferation cannot and must not be ignored. It is a direct threat to peace in the Middle East," said Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-California "This carefully crafted legislation will strengthen the president's hand in dealing with proliferators."
January 14th, 2006 at 3:24 pmOkay WORFEUS, last one for today...
"I don't blame the President, I blame the American people. I mean, y'all knew he was slow when you voted him in. You can't blame the blind man for wrecking your car when you're the one who gave him the keys."
-Wanda Sykes on The Tonight Show, 14 September 2005, discussing President Bush's response to Hurricane Katrina
January 14th, 2006 at 3:25 pmSteed, I'm pretty sure they have drugs to help with your paranoia. You should go get some.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:28 pmPaula, like unbelievable I write and protest constantly. I do have a favor to ask everyone. This is so important.
I want my movie Primal America to be seen all over the world. Chicagoans protested Bushies visit on Jan. 6th and the Chicago Tribune reported "the protesters barely noticed Bush's motorcade passing by"...A complete lie. I have the audio to the protest and made an impeachment movie out of it. I cant find a place to host it because its large, 40 minutes long. The only way I can get it to the people is via email as an attachment. All I ask folks to do is spread it around.
I've sent out about 30 so far but I need everyone to help put this movie all over the internet.
Please help. email me at DOBLC@aim.com, I will send a copy a.s.a.p.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:29 pmJust know this all ye of the right.
CHINA WILL NOT PERMIT AN INVASION OF IRAN.
PERIOD.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:31 pmBush has changed his policy toward China since 9/11, and is no longer directly confrontational, but he wouldn't mind tweaking the tiger's tail by affecting China's energy supplies. China's rapid economic growth jeopardizes American economic hegemony in the world. And recall the Carter Doctrine designed to keep other countries out of the Middle East, which impacts on China's relationship with Iran. Russia's directly involved in Iran's nuclear program, but Russia's no longer on our national enemies list, so that get a bye for now.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:38 pmWow, the period was figurative folks.
Feel free to talk amongst yourselves. :|
January 14th, 2006 at 3:38 pmthey get a bye.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:39 pmLots of interesting details Don.
Dosent change anything though.
CHINA WILL NOT PERMIT AN INVASION OF IRAN.
PERIOD.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:40 pmWe had all we could do to scrape together 150,000 troops for Iraq. We even had to tap our own National Guard, an entity NEVER chartered for foreign invasions.
When the Chinese-Russo alliance drops 1 Million men onto the battlefield without breaking a sweat, then we will be looking for all you tough, good ole boys to man up.
Cause that's when we will be at war.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:42 pmUnbelievable,
I have facts and you have nothing but name calling.
Clinton Vetoes Iran Sanction Bill
January 14th, 2006 at 3:43 pmhttp://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/24/iran.sanctions/
Steed Lankershim, she just posted VOLUMES of BUSH QUOTES.
That's not name calling. That's posting facts.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:45 pmBush has changed his policy toward China since 9/11, and is no longer directly confrontational
Comment by Don — January 14, 2006 @ 3:38 pm
You bet your ass he's not.
He's only confrontational with little countries he feels that we can whoop.
Like all republican cowards and bullies, he only picks on the little guys.
Bunch of punks, every last tough talking right winged bullies. Too afraid of a real fight, but always ready to beat up the little guy.
Punks.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:48 pmIran would have been a better target than Iraq. And North Korea. Both actually have nuclear reactors and enrichment plants! (with the latter supposedly having nuclear bombs)
And in better target I would mean a non-invasion target.
Iran shouldn't have a nuclear capability - as in nuclear weapons.
That said I have no problem with the Iranians using Nuclear Energy. There's a really good reason for them to want to use npower: oil.
Iran massively subsidizes gasoline and other oil products within its country. The same goes for oil fired power. It would make more sense to eliminate the subsidy through nuclear energy (although that energy is expensive in the medium term) and export the newly freed oil.
That's the rationale as to why Iran would want a civilian nuclear program. Simply put, iran should export as much oil via the market as possible. It's desirabe to cut domestic subsidizes that zap export earnings (look at Nigeria for example).
Iran, however, isn't interested in a civilian program. If they were they would have accepted the Russian enrichment deal. The russians are already building their reactors and supplying a lot of their expertise. The only reason Iran would want to maintain that sort of capability is to build a bomb.
That said, Japan does the same thing. It is widely known that if Japan wanted to it could build a bomb in months. The same goes for South Korea.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:53 pmSteed,
What WORFEUS said in #69...
See if you can guess who said this...
"For the greatest revolutionary changes on this earth would not have been thinkable if their motive force, instead of fanatical, yes, hysterical passion, had been merely the bourgeois virtues of law and order."
January 14th, 2006 at 3:53 pmMy point is once again .. America is only a super power when it comes to weapons of mass destruction. apart from that you attack Iraq based on lies and invade a country that has had its true strength as an army dimminised by 22.000 sorties flown before the start of the war destroying its army and airforce making way easy progress to baghdad in the weeks ...Very clever and very cowardise ...Try Iran with 70 million people all whom hate Americans , 60% of the population under 35 years of age and formiddable army and airforce and a very mountainous terrain ....Beleive me you cannot handle that war ...Its gonna be a nuclear strike by America. On top of this your gonna create more terrorists ?? And an attack on Iran would be strongly opposed by Russia, China, India and most of Europe and the Arab world.
This war will start before the mid term elections in the USA as to make people vote for Bush because hes half way though a war AGAIN
January 14th, 2006 at 3:54 pmYOU HAVE FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEY HAVE A BOMB DONT LET BUSH COMMIT THESES ACTS AGAIN
There would be no invasion of Iran. Just a lot of 'targeted' air strikes. Bush is not such a huge idiot - he realizes that the public would turn on him if he tried to actually invade Iran. That and Iran would be worse than Iraq. A lot worse.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:54 pmWORFEUS,
January 14th, 2006 at 3:55 pmI guess you missed the part where she called me paranoid for my opinion that I supported with evidence. Maybe she should address my evidence rather than call me names. Pay attention. Where were you in the 90's? I shouldn't have to post the volumes of material of the Clinton Administration making similar claims of terrorism (Kobar Towers, remember?) and WMD. Once again, libs are trying to pin and issue on Bush when it has been there for decades. Were you an adult when Carter was president? Remember the Carter Doctrine? Libs make a mess, we vote in Rebublicans to clean it up.
If we had pulled out the diplomacy, instead of playing the trump card with Iraq, we might still have some cards up our sleeves to play with Iran.
Now we got nothing. And our efforts for diplomancy that before would have been seen as genuine, and benevolant, now will be seen as cowardice, because they know we can't mount another offensive.
They know our troops are busy fighting off a handfull of guys wearing rags and sporting Viet Nam era weapons and Homemade bombs, and that we could not support an offensive against a Russo-Chinese backed Iranian campaign.
Time to get out those draft cards kiddies, cause your dream is coming.
I can see it, just around the corner.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:56 pmSteed - Give up?
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“For the greatest revolutionary changes on this earth would not have been thinkable if their motive force, instead of fanatical, yes, hysterical passion, had been merely the bourgeois virtues of law and order.â€
-Adolph Hitler
January 14th, 2006 at 3:56 pmWith control of the Middle-East;eventually the plan is to have China (over a barrel, so to speak)come to "us" for oil.....being they will be the main manufacturing sector of the "NO World Order".
January 14th, 2006 at 3:57 pmI guess you missed the part where she called me paranoid for my opinion that I supported with evidence
Comment by Steed Lankershim — January 14, 2006 @ 3:55 pm
Attributing your words to paranoia is not name calling.
Quit your crying.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:58 pmTry Iran with 70 million people all whom hate Americans , 60% of the population under 35 years of age and formiddable army and airforce and a very mountainous terrain ….Beleive me you cannot handle that war …Its gonna be a nuclear strike by America. On top of this your gonna create more terrorists ?? And an attack on Iran would be strongly opposed by Russia, China, India and most of Europe and the Arab world.
This war will start before the mid term elections in the USA as to make people vote for Bush because hes half way though a war AGAIN
YOU HAVE FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEY HAVE A BOMB DONT LET BUSH COMMIT THESES ACTS AGAIN
January 14th, 2006 at 3:58 pmUnbelievable, got facts? I didn't think so. If you did you wouldn't have to pull the Hitler reference. You're done.
January 14th, 2006 at 3:59 pmPay attention. Where were you in the 90’s? I shouldn’t have to post the volumes of material of the Clinton Administration making similar claims of terrorism (Kobar Towers, remember?) and WMD.
Comment by Steed Lankershim — January 14, 2006 @ 3:55 pm
Clinton didn't start a war in Iraq, getting over 2000 Americans killed, getting another 15,000 bloodied and cleaved, and killing between 30,000 and 100,000 innocent people.
Get a clue, I ain't no democrat, and what happened in the past, while debateable, is not my concern.
My concern is what's going to happen tomorrow. And with your group of slobbering chuckleheads in control of all 3 branches of government, I think I will focus on YOU.
Not Clinton.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:01 pm#67. Steed, you can talk about Clinton all you want. But the point you omit is that, in Bush's own words, "everything changed after 9/11."
Why am I supposed to give Bush a pass when it was George W. Bush HIMSELF who proclaimed a galactic super-duper state of hyper-vigilant emergency after 9/11?
I'm not calling you a name when I say you are either dumb or purposely lying.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:01 pmSteed,
You are paranoid. It's not name calling. It's a fact.
Iran is not going to attack us in five years with their one nuke when we have 3,000! I don't care what Bill Clinton said. I don't worship him as you do Bush. When politicians lips are moving, they are usually lying to get something that they want from it.
If the Russians didn't attack us in the 1980's, when it was a viable option for them, then I am not inclined to believe that Iran will now. What is their motve? Seriously - why would they?
I think anyone who thinks otherwise is buying into the fear mongering. So, I've asked it before and will ask again. Who are you more likely to attack - your friends or the playground bully beating your friends up? (hint: We should make friends with them.)
January 14th, 2006 at 4:02 pmClear it up any?
January 14th, 2006 at 4:02 pmMeanwhile, Moscow will go ahead with a $1.3 billion deal to sell short-range missiles to Iran, despite the crisis over Tehran's resumption of nuclear research.
The planned sale of Tor-M1 tactical surface-to-air missiles to Iran has been criticised in the West.
But Russian Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov says Russia is not in talks with Iran to sell it more powerful S300 surface-to-air missiles.
THIS WAR WILL BE STARTED BEFORE MID TERM ELECTIONS __ IMPEACH BUSH A.S.A.P
January 14th, 2006 at 4:03 pmYou are right Scotsman.
Just like we want a presence in the middle east, I think we will soon now see a Chinese-Russian precense in the middle east.
Guys like Bush never stop to think about the precedents they are setting for the rest of the superpowers to follow.
Do you really want a Russian Chinese presence permantly in Iran?
Cause you're gonna get it, want it or not.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:06 pmIsrael believes they have short 'window' to launch an attack precisely because of the imminent Russian SAM deal.
Israel is more threatened than America. Israel has nukes, Iran could get nukes. It would negate Israel's deterent - every Arab (and Iran - not Arabs) realizes that an actual invasion of Israel would get a nuclear response if Israeli defeat was forseeable. Israeli likes that deterrent.
America likes Israel. So...
January 14th, 2006 at 4:07 pmUnbelievable, got facts? I didn’t think so. If you did you wouldn’t have to pull the Hitler reference. You’re done.
Comment by Steed Lankershim — January 14, 2006 @ 3:59 pm
You don't have facts. Those aren't facts. They are a variation of the little boy crying wolf for the third time, and the villagers having had enough of the false cries.
‘Today, at the dawn of the twenty-first century, the global village is finally complete. At last it has its own global village idiot.’
January 14th, 2006 at 4:07 pm-John O'Farrell Global Village Idiot (2000)
What do you call the Clinton bombing the shit out of Iraq in the late 90's. Diplomacy? HAHA!
January 14th, 2006 at 4:08 pmthink about this
everyday in the uk 5 tonnes of cannabis gets smoked and imported from abroad, it would be so easy to import say 5 kilos of anthrax or nerve gas as a retaliation for an attack on Iran ???
start getting diplomatic or its goodbye from me and its goodbye from him.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:09 pmWhat do you call the Clinton bombing the shit out of Iraq in the late 90’s. Diplomacy? HAHA!
Comment by Steed Lankershim — January 14, 2006 @ 4:08 pm
Those were UN SANCTIONED strikes dimwit.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:09 pmWhat do you call the Clinton bombing the shit out of Iraq in the late 90’s. Diplomacy? HAHA!
Comment by Steed Lankershim — January 14, 2006 @ 4:08 pm
Nobody here said that... and nobody is praising Clinton either.
So, now you're seeing things? Definitely time for a head exam.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:10 pmAnd they were retalitory.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:10 pmI should not have to tell an intelligent person that there is a differnce between UN sanctioned retalitory strikes and an all out INVASION AND OCCUPATION NOT SANCTIONED by the UN.
I should not have to tell an intelligent person this.
Only a dimwit. ( or a right winged troll who already knows better)
January 14th, 2006 at 4:12 pmScotman, do you honestly think we're just sitting on our asses here? What do you think this blog is all about? We're doing our best to make change here, and you're not exactly being fair, it's an uphill battle with a republican controlled congress and we're trying as hard as we can to make change so back off ok?
January 14th, 2006 at 4:15 pmWORFEUS,
I think he's taken his toys and gone home crying...
Guess you know we bombed Pakistan... was probably another wedding.
I'm wondering how much longer before someone will start an invasion of the U.S. to liberate the American people from the theocratic and paranoid dictator who has taken over the country and is now sporatically bombing other countries against the will of the people...
January 14th, 2006 at 4:16 pmIf there was any justice on this planet (trust me, there isn't) we'd be looking at a photo of an Israeli nuclear facility and talking about how to neutralize them! The most absurd aspect of all of this is nuclear powers insisting that non-nuclear powers can't themselves.......become nuclear powers. How can any international organization ascribe to something so manifestly idiotic?
Let's get real about all of this: If the U.S. takes it upon itself to nuke Iran to keep them from having nukes- we'll be smack in the middle of WWIII, every economy on the planet will be smashed to bits and the rest of our lives (and our children's) will be a horrible struggle, the likes of which will be a living nightmare.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:16 pmWhy is Crystal yelling at Scotsman?
WORFEUS is CONFUSED :|
January 14th, 2006 at 4:17 pmWORFEUS - Scotsman gets a bit carried away and has confused the Bush junta with the American people...
January 14th, 2006 at 4:19 pmReports are out the decision has been make. A joint U.S. Israeli attack, possibly with nuclear tipped bunker busters in late March. Anyone who thinks the psychopath in the White House will base anything on facts or consequences is mistaken. Psychopaths are most dangerous when they are cornered and reality is catching up to W. WWWIII is a definite possibility.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:20 pmWWWIII is a definite possibility.
Comment by Bill R. — January 14, 2006 @ 4:20 pm
Peeping George prefers to call it "The Rapture"
January 14th, 2006 at 4:21 pmPeeping george? LOL.
What's he peeping at?
January 14th, 2006 at 4:34 pmWW3? Try the end of the world. Bush has said he will use nuclear weapons and I believe the sick freak
January 14th, 2006 at 4:34 pmBut you're right about the rapture, and scary too.
The scriptures that these men believe in tell them that the US will one day be at war against all the world, and it's only ally will be Israel.
If you believe that, all you have to do is figure out a way to make it come to pass.
They are working on that now apparently.
We need to impeach now, and show the world we do posses reason here in the states.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:35 pm"Were you an adult when Carter was president? Remember the Carter Doctrine? Libs make a mess, we vote in Rebublicans to clean it up."
Comment by Steed Lankershim — January 14, 2006
No, we vote them in to make it worse by selling weapons to known terrorists - ironic, isn't it?
Perhaps your memory has dimmed with age - cause I remember how Reagan sold tow missiles to the same bunch you're going on about. Refute that with your "facts".
Still waiting for an apology from you for that boneheaded republican move!
January 14th, 2006 at 4:40 pmThe scary thing is that he would do this without Congressional approval claiming it is part of the "war on terra". And the wingnuts will continue to march in lockstep.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:47 pmThat feeling of deja vu indicates we're headed for a nuagmire in Iran.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:56 pm“Were you an adult when Carter was president? Remember the Carter Doctrine? Libs make a mess, we vote in Rebublicans to clean it up.â€
Comment by Steed Lankershim — January 14, 2006
I believe I was getting stoned.
Or maybe I was getting laid.
I believe I was either getting stoned or getting laid.
Or maybe I was getting stoned and getting laid.
Something like that.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:58 pmIt was kind of a confusing time for all of us....:|
January 14th, 2006 at 4:59 pmScrew Bush. Screw his private army. Screw his secret police.
January 14th, 2006 at 4:59 pmWait Ann has the answer. Again. Coulter - "I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo." Seems simple to me.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:01 pmPeeping george? LOL.
What’s he peeping at?
Comment by WORFEUS — January 14, 2006 @ 4:34 pm
Considering the topic, I imagine us...
January 14th, 2006 at 5:05 pmAnn Coulter just says that stuff because otherwise no one would pay attention to her.
She is a double-wide hugging off the porch shooting inbred.
And a transvestite to boot.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:05 pmAnn Coulter isn't even human...
January 14th, 2006 at 5:07 pm#23 - "This has and remains about oil." -
January 14th, 2006 at 5:09 pm-- Comment by "Brilliant" Bob of the Southwest
******(Applause...appplause...applause....) Gosh, Bob did you think of that ALL by YOURSELF????? Of course it's about oil - but unlike the folks who wish to return to the days of peat or dung-burning, MOST people realize the immediate and essential importance of oil. (The majority of the world's economy currently runs on oil, right Bob??) I am for alternative energy sources - if only to rid ourselves of the corrupt barbarians in the Middle East. But with your brilliant insight, you should be nominated by fellow travellers for the Nobel Prize for "Intelligence"
WW3? Try the end of the world. Bush has said he will use nuclear weapons and I believe the sick freak
Comment by erik weinberger — January 14, 2006 @ 4:34 pm
Dontcha mean nuc-u-lar weapons???
January 14th, 2006 at 5:09 pmNow you losers know why we went into Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm pleased to see that even a nuclear tipped jihad isn't enough to get you people on board with the program. That will make it that much easier to do what for years we knew must be done. All your ass are belong to us girls. Trust me, that's a true statement.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:10 pm
January 14th, 2006 at 5:11 pm******(Applause…appplause…applause….)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 14, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
Uh-oh, we invoked the demon Ann Coulter by saying her name three times in a row...
January 14th, 2006 at 5:12 pmIsn't she looovvely......isn't she beeeaauuutiful...???
January 14th, 2006 at 5:13 pmBUSH: "If this were a spending contest, I’d come in second. I readily admit, I’m not going to grow the size of the federal government like he is. [There was a question about] deployment. It must be in the national interests. It must be in our vital interest whether we ever send troops. The mission must be clear. Soldiers must understand why we’re going. The force must be strong enough so that the mission can be accomplished. And the exit strategy needs to be well-defined. I’m concerned that we’re overdeployed around the world. You see, I think the mission has somewhat become fuzzy. Should I be fortunate enough to earn your confidence, the mission of the United States military will be to be prepared and ready to fight and win war, and therefore prevent war from happening in the first place. There may be some moments when we use our troops as peacekeepers, but not often."
Source: St. Louis debate Oct 17, 2000
January 14th, 2006 at 5:13 pmNow I'm no bettin man, but I got a Grant that says that's a vinyl sided doublewide attached to that porch her scrawny butt's sittin on.
And I'm givin odds.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:14 pmmighty,
January 14th, 2006 at 5:15 pmLooks like you missed Zawahiri and killed a bunch of innocent women and children. Everything you people touch turns to sh*t.
All your ass are belong to us girls. Trust me, that’s a true statement.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 5:10 pm
First the head demon shows up, and now the Devil himself... sun down already in Tex-ass, IRI?
We know you like sodomy, IRI, you can stop saying it now.
How about adding to the conversation this time with some facts?? Hmmm...
January 14th, 2006 at 5:15 pmMy only question is that a bb gun in Coulter's hand, or is she just real glad to see me?
January 14th, 2006 at 5:16 pmAnd I’m givin odds.
Comment by WORFEUS — January 14, 2006 @ 5:14 pm
Unless you're just givin' away the money, I'm out... :)
January 14th, 2006 at 5:18 pmWHEW WHAT A BUNCHA JUGHEADS HERE.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:19 pmYea, add one more to the list ay?
January 14th, 2006 at 5:20 pm"I want to rebuild our military to keep the peace. I want to have a strong hand when it comes to the US and world affairs. I don’t want to try to put our troops in all places at all times. I don’t want to be the world’s policeman. I want to be the world’s peacemaker by having a military of high morale and a military that’s well-equipped. I want to have antiballistic missile systems to protect ourselves and our allies from a rogue nation that may try to hold us hostage or blackmail a friend."
George W. Bush, Presidential debate, Boston MA Oct 3, 2000
Okay, IRI, there are some garlic, I mean facts for you...
January 14th, 2006 at 5:22 pmDrive a stake thru his heart why don't you?
January 14th, 2006 at 5:23 pmDrive a stake thru his heart why don’t you?
Comment by WORFEUS — January 14, 2006 @ 5:23 pm
I'm pretty certain he doesn't have one... :)
January 14th, 2006 at 5:26 pmLook, we have all digressed. But the fact here is that China will never sit by for any US or even UN sanctioned meddling in Iran.
That is the real problem is, and watching the press touch on it, but lightly tip toe around it for the most part, is hilarious. Well, at least if it wasn't so serious.
China is the real world threat, and their alliance with Russia.
We needed to show a soft hand with Iraq, so we would be taken seriously when we went to the table with these countries. Now we have shot our wad prematurely, and have nothing but the nukes to trump with.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:26 pm"Of course it’s about oil - but unlike the folks who wish to return to the days of peat or dung-burning, MOST people realize the immediate and essential importance of oil. mighty aphrodite"
Wow, a republican who can make at least one honest statement without their head exploding - I commend you old woman!
" (The majority of the world’s economy currently runs on oil, right Bob??) "
Actually much of the world's economy is fueled on Coal (over 50% of power generation comes from coal), but close enough. Fossil fuels are important, especially in a car dependent culture that refuses to build infrastructure around public transportation like our european friends have.
"I am for alternative energy sources - if only to rid ourselves of the corrupt barbarians in the Middle East. mighty aphrodite"
And yet oil companies and the CIA have consistently chosen 'barbarians' as leaders of those countries, over democratic regimes. Heck, Iran's democracy was overthrown and replaced by the Shah and his dictatorship by Eisenhower.
Alternative energy is already practical and affordable, brazil runs 20% of their cars from ethanol, and the fuel is cheaper than gasoline.
"But with your brilliant insight, you should be nominated by fellow travellers for the Nobel Prize for “Intelligence†might aphrodite"
Wow, why must you be so spiteful - is it your arthritis and old age, or were you always so unsociable?
But I agree that the 'barbarians' that conservatives continually pick for leadership in the middle east is the biggest problem. It's created an entire generation of radicals that are as hard to reach and reason with as a republican troll. I'm sure you understand what I mean.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:28 pmRepublicans and war supporters thought the war in Iraq would make us look tough to the world.
But the truth is it showed the world our weaknesses, and depleted our forces so that now EVERYONE knows our actual troop strength, which is less than we had asserted in the past, and everyone knows our tactics, methods and battle strategies. Hell we're even giving the guys we were fighting onsite personal training on our tactics.
And in the process we created millions of new enemies.
Iraq has made us look like a monkey fu##$king a football.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:31 pmWORFEUS,
FACT: The no-fly zones were imposed by the US, Britain and France in the Kurdish north of Iraq in 1991 and the Shiite south the following year. They were never sanctioned by UN resolutions.
Sactioned bombing? Diplomacy? My ass. We've been at war with Iraq since 1991. Where were you?
Total civilians dead 1998-2000: 311
Total civilians wounded: 927.
Pay attention.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:33 pmTotal civilians dead 1998-2000: 311
Total civilians wounded: 927.
Pay attention.
Comment by Steed Lankershim — January 14, 2006 @ 5:33 pm
I am paying attention slappy.
And 30,000 to 100,000 dead, compared to 311, is not even in the same hemisphere.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:37 pmSteed,
I didn't realize you had ceded american sovereignty to the UN, because it was the UN that had authorized and was responsible for managing the sanctions and no-fly zones with Iraq. The end of hostilities agreement the Iraqis signed permitted the UN Coalition to manage the no-fly zone.
I'm intrigued to see a conservative consider an UN action an 'american' war, it's certainly shocking considering how anti-UN you cats can be. Maybe you're 'evolving' despite your disbelief in Darwin. I hold out hope for you Steed, no matter how small it is.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:39 pmSee genius, we are not concerned with your pesky little right winged talking points, comparing Bush to Clinton or other democratic leaders.
We are concerned with stopping the madman you fools helped to seize power, and who is running over the world like a snot nosed kid with a tonka truck.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:39 pmYou lied WORFEUS. You lied. Big time. Bombings were not santioned WORFEUS. You lied. Explain the difference between sanctioned bombings and unsanctioned bombings again? Be specific.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:42 pmMonkey fu##$king a football.
Thats who we all are now.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:42 pmIt was kind of a confusing time for all of us
January 14th, 2006 at 5:42 pmLOL
What you all missing is the other weapons available to Iran there a chemical agents that any monkey can create in a bath tub these days, I beleive even Thailand has a stockpile of 20 tonnes of nerve gas ??
January 14th, 2006 at 5:46 pmDiplomacy is the only way to handle Iran they will NOT have one bomb for 5 years and they aint gonna do a lot with one bomb (( provided their lying in the first place when they say the nuclear research is only for peacefull purposes )) but Im sure they have chemical weapons already, And there in place, in America already. you know the Russians had 300 minuture nuclear bombs in america of which they only took one hundred back out "FACT" Iran will have flown coco cola tins filled with chemical agents (nerve gas)to America already ..when the shit hits the fans its goodbye ..you need to get rid of Bush hes a maniac that knows he finished when mid term elections come up ..unless he strikes soon
The middle east conflict always lands on two points.
Israel
Oil
And in both cases the arab populations always get screwed by the hand of american military might, and CIA interventions. It's why the hate us. Our policies drive many otherwise sane people (not that they don't have insane ones like any group) into supporting policies and groups that are threatening and dangerous.
When you back anyone into a corner, and oppress them long enough, a revolt and violent opposition is bound to arise. Lebanon went from being the 'Paris' of the Mediterranean to being a worn torn unstable country because of the Israeli conflict. Now Iraq has gone from one of the few secular countries with relatively high education and options for opportunities, to a war torn country in the midst of a civil war because of oil and Israel. Iraq is a bigger threat to its neighbors, itself and the region now than ever before. And if we did invade Iran, an ever bigger mess would result. The iranians must bring about their own new government, and that's the only way stability will result.
These to factors are destablizing, and until they are resolved there will be no peace in the middle east, and no security from terrorism. And this is why the republicans have, and will continue to fail. Because they're incapable of realizing this simple fact.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:46 pmviolence only breeds violence, change your foreign policy and all troubles will be finished as easy as that
January 14th, 2006 at 5:47 pmSteed, read my lips.
I don't give a crap about whether the UN sanctioned the bombings or not. Your a fool.
I will have to examine one day when I give a sh#$t how many were sanctioned and how many were not, but comparing the few justified strategic strikes that were retaliation for incursions, to GENOCIDE, is HUBRIS.
But no more than I would expect out of a right winged monkeyspankin slug like you. :D
January 14th, 2006 at 5:51 pmread the book :Behind The war On Terror ,it tells the story of how bushco plans to take over the Middle East then divide it up for big oil. It has nothing whatever toi do with Nukes its about total control of oil and natural gas and England is in partnership on all this.
This is why our troops are really being rerouted from Iraq .At first it will be bombs dropped by planes just like in Iraq then troops will be sent in to displaced the Citizens of Iran just like Iraq ,then comes the privatizing of oil and natural gas among the Big Oil People.Then the final draw down begins on American Cirizens say good bye to what little Freedoms we have now.
I want to look bush in the face and say Fu** You!
Bush also is planning on Rice being our next Leader notice I didn't say President.....He will pass the mantle tto the next Vulcan in line.....All his chess pieces are in place and America hasn't any left.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:51 pmSteed, Republicans claimed that UN Resolution 688 gave the united states the right to enforce the no fly zones, and bomb Iraq to 'protect its citizens', as per that resolution.
Unless you'd like to say GHBush is a liar, then your attack on Worfeus is disenguous. You did know about that resolution, and Bush's invoking of it didn't you?
January 14th, 2006 at 5:52 pmPart of PNAC/AEI policy.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:55 pmRepublicans have a long history of creating the problems in the middle east that all americans must deal with. Lets look at a brief history of Iran, and how Republicans destroyed it's democracy in favor of dictatorships.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:55 pm
Then lets look at Iraq - although unfortunately the 'conservatives' in the Democrats had as much of a hand in this failure as did the Republicans did. Thank heavens most of those rightwing democrats left the party - they had no place among the democrats.
January 14th, 2006 at 5:58 pm
Yes, Resolution 688. Very good, grasshopper, but I can't seem to find the part about bombing the shit out of Iraq because they had WMD. That's weird. And I didn't know a Republican was commander in chief between 1998 and 2000. It was a very confusing time wasn't it RP. Oh, I bet your were still riding your tricycle at the time. Liar.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:00 pmviolence only breeds violence ...think about it or ill kick you head in
January 14th, 2006 at 6:01 pmTHE ONLY WAY THE DEMOCRATES CAN WIN IN 2008 (IF WE'RE STILL KICKING) IS TO RUN YOSEMITE SAM FOR PRESIDENT ANOTHER WELL KNOWN TUFF GUY/ CHARETER
January 14th, 2006 at 6:07 pmSteed Lankershim, READ MY LIPS.
Or at least my typing. :|
No one gives a crap about 311 deaths in 1998.
We can't even do anything about the 30,000 + deaths you have caused thus far.
All we care about is the next 30,000 you psychopathic bloodthirsty lunatics want to waste.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:08 pm"Yes, Resolution 688. Very good, grasshopper, but I can’t seem to find the part about bombing the shit out of Iraq because they had WMD. Steed Lankershim"
Just use the part of your brain that you use to read the bible, it's all there. That resolution was in 1991 under GHBush, and it was he who established the no fly zone, and the subsequent 'bombing' also justified to enforce the zone and the 'security' of the people. I guess you missed that part.
"That’s weird. And I didn’t know a Republican was commander in chief between 1998 and 2000. It was a very confusing time wasn’t it RP. Oh, I bet your were still riding your tricycle at the time. Liar. Steed Lankershim"
Now why must you always get so rude and ill mannered when I point out that you've lied, or incorrectly stated the facts. I gave you the reason, the one that the republicans gave, and yet you go acting all childish. We both know that we want a safe and secure country, so notch it up level there 'junior' and introduce some civility into your 'lies', it'll just make the medicine go down smoother.
Now as for the bombing campaign, that was justified under the same resolution which permitted the US to protect the Iraqi citizens from the central government. Since Saddam had used weapons on his own people, this was considered to be a reasonable justification and inline with the UN doctrine.
You can ignore it all you want, but it's a rational argument that GHBush who argued the meaning and extent this resolution gave permission wise to the coalition, not the democrats. I'm sorry you don't agree with your fellow republicans, but it is they who you call a liar.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:08 pmFunny how RP's history of Iran leaves out the failures of the Carter Doctrine. RP's been known to omit information that show's Democrats' role in our Mideast policies. My wifes family is from Iran. Trust me, you wouldn't want to live there. You're arm might get amputated or you would be hung in public for expressing your views. But who cares when you can spew hatred and anti-american propaganda about this awful country, the US of A. F.U. I'm outta here. PLH, go Bears.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:08 pmWORFEUS is not feeling overtly lyrical today. :|
January 14th, 2006 at 6:08 pmSteed Lankershim, the hospital called.
They said your momma's still cryin....
January 14th, 2006 at 6:10 pm"THE ONLY WAY THE DEMOCRATES CAN WIN IN 2008 (IF WE’RE STILL KICKING) IS TO RUN YOSEMITE SAM FOR PRESIDENT ANOTHER WELL KNOWN TUFF GUY/ CHARETER TWEEDY"
That's better than bugs bunny in a dress, which is what the republicans 'appointed' as 'king george'.
Me thinks the girlie republican chickenhawks protesteth too much.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:10 pmThat resolution was in 1991 under GHBush, and it was he who established the no fly zone...
Oh, you left out Britain and France. More omissions dumbass? F.U.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:11 pm"Funny how RP’s history of Iran leaves out the failures of the Carter Doctrine. RP’s been known to omit information that show’s Democrats’ role in our Mideast policies. Steed Lankershim"
1) I already admitted that the role of Democrats, especially in Iraq during the 60s was too 'republican'.
2) The Carter doctrine? You mean where we avoided a full scale war with a country outfitted with a huge arsenal of OUR arms? Please, who's omitting now?
"My wifes family is from Iran. Trust me, you wouldn’t want to live there. You’re arm might get amputated or you would be hung in public for expressing your views. Steed Lankershim"
Ah, that explains why you know very little about it. Most ex-pat Iranians were tied to the rightwing shah (no wonder why she was drawn to you) and the corrupt rightwing regime. You just traded one set of rightwingers for another in Iran, it sucked before the revolution and it sucks now. Iran is certainly a bad place for dissent - but have you read I-RIGHT-I lately? He proposes the same thing for OUR dissent. How are you rightwingers different again? Oh right, you haven't had your way long enough.
"But who cares when you can spew hatred and anti-american propaganda about this awful country, the US of A. F.U. I’m outta here. PLH, go Bears. Steed Lankershim"
You sound just like the Iranian thought police, your wife has taught you well. Why must you treat dissent with a 'hanging' sentence, and call others anti-american who disagree with your beliefs? Hypocrisy is an ugly thing, it's time for you to look in the mirror junior.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:16 pmDude, you are talking about Jimmy Freakin Carter!
Holy Crap! I was getting laid when Carter was president, (which was a long time ago :), get over it!
This is the great RED HERRING of the right.
Were talking about changing the future, not what the Dems or Repubs did in the past.
Wanna talk about the past? How about how Hitler, another nobody who lulled a nation to sleep while he waged war on small little foriegn nations. He too was a Christian leader, and he too promoted pre-emptive war, torture, racial profiling, etc.....
While we can learn from the past, trying to downplay your own Presidents and parties CURRENT actions do nothing to correct the situation.
It is just a distraction to keep the left engaged, while your tyrannical dictator seizes power and wages bloody war for money, and control.
You are a sheep. Baaaaaaa
January 14th, 2006 at 6:17 pm"That resolution was in 1991 under GHBush, and it was he who established the no fly zone…
Oh, you left out Britain and France. More omissions dumbass? F.U. Steed Lankershim"
Why must you so intentionally lie and misrepresent what I say? Is it because I embarrassed you, and showed that you weren't prepared to debate the topic. How could Bush single handedly (or even Britain/France) create a UN Resolution? The UN security counsel does that - so why did you omit this fact, and resort to name calling? And besides, it was GHBush who created the DOCTRINE on how to read Resolution 688, and that's what I said.
Why are you so rude when you're proven wrong? You really should work on your manners junior, it doesn't look well for you or your side. It makes you look like sore losers and little lost boys.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:19 pmWorfeus,
Wasn't hitler funded by GWBush's grandfather? I remember reading something about how grandpa was fined for his involvement in financing the Hitler war machine. I wonder if he knew he was killing all of those innocent people, or even if he cared. Republicans don't seem to care much for the 'innocent', unless they supposedly haven't been born yet.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:21 pmI know, I know, WORFEUS is guilty too....before he says it....
WORFEUS BAD.....
January 14th, 2006 at 6:22 pmThat's true right.In October of 1942 the Feds seized the assets of Prescott Bush, dubya's granddad, under the Trading with the Enemy Act.
But it gets a lot juicier than that.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:28 pmThere are ties to the actual construction of the Nazi death camps, like Buchenwald. The German company, and I will have to look this up, was called E G Faber, or Farber, or something like that, and it funded the construction of the death camps.
Now if he were a Dem, they'd have hung him by now.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:30 pmWorfeus,
And these republicans call liberals 'anti-american'. That's like the fact that Halliburton has been trading with Iran despite international sanctions that are supposed to ban american companies from doing business with them.
The problem: Federal sanctions have banned U.S. companies from dealing directly with Iran. To operate in Iran legally, U.S. companies have been required to set up independent subsidiaries registered abroad. Halliburton thus set up a new entity, Halliburton Products and Services Ltd., to do business in Iran, but while the subsidiary was registered in the Cayman Islands, it may not have had operations totally independent of the parent company.
The outcome: Unresolved. The Treasury Department has referred the case to the U.S. attorney in Houston, who convened a grand jury in July 2004.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:31 pmAnd this was while Cheney was CEO. Republican corruption, greed and hypocrisy is really sad. I do believe most of these people both mean well, and rationalize their acts through some magic slight of hand without believing they're doing wrong. But it doesn't change the fact that so many of them act criminally without remorse or concern. It's really sad how common both the acts and their justification by the masses of republican minions occurs.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:34 pmAlso I think it's important to point out, the George Walker, father in law to Prescott, and who Dubya's named after, founded the UBC, the company that Prescott was the director of, and that was seized under the trading with the enemy act.
This is why it's so funny that any liberals compare certain traits to the nazi's. Hell, his family got some of their wealth from the nazi's.
It's unbelievable that they were not locked up then. Someone greased someones pocket there, of this I am sure.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:34 pmWow RIGHTPUNCH,
I feel so uninformed next to you. I did not know that about Haliburton trading with Iran. That is, wow, holy crap...that's huge.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:38 pmHoly crap....
January 14th, 2006 at 6:39 pmMaking money off of war. It's in their blood.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:39 pmWorfeus,
I was always told that we feared the communists more than the fascists, because we had defeated the fascists. They were perceived as not having power, and therefore to not be a threat. In an effort to move on, they forgave many of the americans who had fascist activities. That's why you get a republican/fascist like Joseph McCarthy being able to target the 'commies', while he was allowed to walk free.
Extremists are dangerous, but america has never dealt with rightwing extremists - only left wing extremists. It's a real shame, because now we have an entire generation of rightwing extremists, just like the middle east does.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:40 pmWorfeus,
I found the Halliburton story on Salon, they're the well informed folks. I just found it archived on truthout as well.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/011905D.shtml
It's full of scandalous and illegal Halliburton acts. It's easy to see why their Brown & Root division was referred to in Texas as 'Burn and Loot'.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:44 pmExtremists are dangerous, but america has never dealt with rightwing extremists - only left wing extremists. It’s a real shame, because now we have an entire generation of rightwing extremists, just like the middle east does.
Comment by RightPunch — January 14, 2006 @ 6:40 pm
That's one of the most coherent things I have ever heard.
January 14th, 2006 at 6:49 pmExtremists are dangerous, but america has never dealt with rightwing extremists - only left wing extremists. It’s a real shame, because now we have an entire generation of rightwing extremists, just like the middle east does.
Comment by RightPunch — January 14, 2006 @ 6:40 pm
That’s one of the most coherent things I have ever heard.
Comment by WORFEUS
Hey dumbass, American IS right wing and always has been. "Extremists" is your perception. Hitler was thinking the same thing as he was listening to the bombs dropping on Berlin....just before he pulled the trigger.
Hey Woofius....that was the most coherent thing you've ever heard....until my next dew drow of wisdon.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:22 pmHey Woofius….that was the most coherent thing you’ve ever heard….until my next dew drow of wisdon.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 7:22 pm
What is a dew drow of wisdon?
In fact, what is a wisdon?
January 14th, 2006 at 7:25 pmWorfeus,
Wasn’t hitler funded by GWBush’s grandfather?
Comment by RightPunch
Nope, that was Kennedy.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:25 pmIs that like a turd?
January 14th, 2006 at 7:25 pm"Nope, that was Kennedy. I-RIGHT-I"
Do you work part time for the Swiftboaters, because you seem to lie without effort or conscience. Kennedy backed FDR who fought Hitler, it was Bush and the other republicans like Henry Ford who were anti-semitic and pro-nazi.
You must have a lot of insecurity to resort to lies so easily. You have my sympathy - I forgive you for your hatred.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:31 pm"Hey dumbass, American IS right wing and always has been. “Extremists†is your perception. Hitler was thinking the same thing as he was listening to the bombs dropping on Berlin….just before he pulled the trigger. I-RIGHT-I"
Right wing is pro-aristocracy - american has always been anti class and anti right wing. Rightwingers have been here since the beginning (like Hamilton and the rest of the federalist freaks), but you guys have always been a discredited and unstable minority - just like you are today.
Your political parties and movement always implodes from ineptitude - I can wait until you destroy yourselves - but you will always live in fear of me and people like me. I pity you.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:34 pmI think it is very clear that the Bubble boy wants to be impeached. I doubt he wants to do jail time but thats what he'll get for sure.
Impeach Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld now. The world can't wait.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:35 pmThe article below (linked from Juan Cole's Informed Comment website) is a good read and quite relative to this post:
Iran and Israel will be kings of the Middle East jungle.
"The US occupation of Iraq has turned its neighbour into a new regional power. But the contagion is likely to spread far wider..."
January 14th, 2006 at 7:36 pmI think Thinkprogress should post an article about Halliburtons business ties to Iran. Really piss off Cheney.
thanks for that info RightPunch, I had no idea. Lets make it front page news.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:38 pmI think it is very clear that the Bubble boy wants to be impeached. I doubt he wants to do jail time but thats what he’ll get for sure.
Impeach Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld now. The world can’t wait.
Comment by Susan
I think you should just concentrate on your new ass-tat and leave the thinking to men. When we want your opinion we'll give it to you.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:38 pmWhen we want your opinion we’ll give it to you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 7:38 pm
No thanks... We're all doing much better with our female brains than you are with your pig brain.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:42 pm"I think you should just concentrate on your new ass-tat and leave the thinking to men. When we want your opinion we’ll give it to you. I-RIGHT-I "
I feel your pain buddy, clearly you don't trust or like women. Have you spoken to your momma lately? How does she feel about your fine values? I bet she'd wash out your mouth with soap if she heard you speak so rudely to a woman.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:45 pm"Actually, I this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I like it. When I'm talking about when I'm talking about myself, and when he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me."
Sound familiar? Nope, not IRI, but his Daddy - Curious George. See, the nut truly does not fall far from the tree...
January 14th, 2006 at 7:45 pmunbelievable,
Women are known to correlate complex information more quickly and more efficiently than men. It explains why you tend to be more statistically liberal than women - you're clearly the smarters sex :)
January 14th, 2006 at 7:47 pmunbelievable I meant to say more liberal than men - you get the point - right?
I just always strive to not be one of the dumb jackass men that all too often embarrass our gender (no need to name the obvious men here). I always see those guys screwing up their lives, and blaming everyone else. I feel sorry for them, but I don't want to be one of them!
January 14th, 2006 at 7:50 pmWomen are known to correlate complex information more quickly and more efficiently than men. It explains why you tend to be more statistically liberal than women - you’re clearly the smarters sex :)
Comment by RightPunch — January 14, 2006 @ 7:47 pm
Clearly you get more sex than IRI... :)
Those of us who refuse to live in the shadow of any man tend to scare the hell out of pansies like IRI, because as you've noticed all he can do throw some misogynistic barb rather than attempt to have an actual debate...
January 14th, 2006 at 7:51 pmSo what does the anti-American, terrorist sympathizers on the left suggest we do?
Susan - I am sure Cheney is scared what you think. I am sorry - I think it's a little funny. I hear Mary is looking around though.
January 14th, 2006 at 7:55 pmunbelievable I meant to say more liberal than men - you get the point - right?
I just always strive to not be one of the dumb jackass men that all too often embarrass our gender (no need to name the obvious men here). I always see those guys screwing up their lives, and blaming everyone else. I feel sorry for them, but I don’t want to be one of them!
Comment by RightPunch — January 14, 2006 @ 7:50 pm
Right...
And it is much appreciated RightPunch... I'm sure your wife tells you this often too :).
I grew up in a very male dominanted family, with a weird caveat that my father didn't want me to be like the women in his family who were dependent upon men, so he encouraged me to become educated and independent. So, having seen both sides of the equation, I can say that IRI has no clue as to what he's missing out on by being a macho jerk...
January 14th, 2006 at 7:56 pmWhen we want your opinion we’ll give it to you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 7:38 pm
Quoting from one of your favorite war movies, I see.
G.I JANE LOL....
January 14th, 2006 at 7:58 pmRight wing is pro-aristocracy - american has always been anti class and anti right wing.
Comment by RightPunch
Not true. Washington, Adams, and even Jefferson knew they were aristocracy. But Adams said it best and defined the word for future American conservatives; "An aristocrat is someone that can command two votes, his own and another's". The aristocracy you are thinking of died in the Revolution.
What we have now are not aristocrats but elitists. Men who are better and smarter, far above the average but have no willingness to use their power for good and not evil, they think only of themselves. They are the chosen without the obligation of "nobles oblige". My guess is and equal number of them voted for Bush and Kerry. The big picture is obscured by the "coming attractions". It's always been that way.
Rightwingers have been here since the beginning (like Hamilton and the rest of the federalist freaks), but you guys have always been a discredited and unstable minority - just like you are today.
Hamilton was strictly a utilitarian. He wasn't a conservative.
Your political parties and movement always implodes from ineptitude - I can wait until you destroy yourselves - but you will always live in fear of me and people like me. I pity you.
All political parties implode from ineptitude. There is no greater example of that than the Democrats of today. Look at your base...freaks of every description. My mother is a Democrat by the way. She hates Bush. But what she doesn't know because it's very hard to become informed is....the Democratic Party no longer exists. The Radical Sophists now control things. Kennedy is dead.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:04 pmgrew up in a very male dominanted family, with a weird caveat that my father didn’t want me to be like the women in his family who were dependent upon men, so he encouraged me to become educated and independent. So, having seen both sides of the equation, I can say that IRI has no clue as to what he’s missing out on by being a macho jerk…
Comment by unbelievable
You have a smart daddy. He recognized that the majority of men this country was cultivating would not honor their sacred commitment to their betrothed. In a way you with you anti-Christian stance helped him in his opinion. He probably knew (because we KNOW) that you would not attract the kind of man that he is. Thus, "Baby, you've got to learn to take care of yourself".
I'm sorry.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:08 pmAnti-Christian?
LOL, I hope thou are not professing to be a Christian, I-SATAN-I, LOL
January 14th, 2006 at 8:17 pmIran is the new Iraq except it isn't. Iran could deliver us a lethal blow if we attack it.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:17 pmYou have a smart daddy. He recognized that the majority of men this country was cultivating would not honor their sacred commitment to their betrothed.
He was 29 when he married my mom. 30 years later when he was dying of cancer he began to tell me very personal things (for some reason dying people like to tell secrets...). One of those things was that he never had an affair. That wasn't his motivation. But thanks for the admission that you cannot control yourself.
In a way you with you anti-Christian stance helped him in his opinion.
He died 12 years ago. I've only been an Atheist for a couple of years. So, unless he was clairvoyant, I don't think so. 0 for 2
He probably knew (because we KNOW) that you would not attract the kind of man that he is. Thus, “Baby, you’ve got to learn to take care of yourselfâ€.
Whew, that's a relief... because he was an alcoholic with a bad temper and a Mafia past. I'm better off with sensitive, supportive liberal men who like smart women.
I’m sorry.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 8:08 pm
For what? I'm happy with my life. I like who I am, what I do with my life and most of the people in it. I've lived more in my four decades of life than some families combined. I have few regrets. And depending on the context, people think I'm 10 to 15 years younger than my age. What's there to be sorry for?
January 14th, 2006 at 8:20 pmQuoting from one of your favorite war movies, I see.
G.I JANE LOL….
Comment by WORFEUS
T-he. There's no way I'd ever watch a movie called GI Jane even though I know the broad that stared in it is (was) one of my favorite girls...(she should have stuck with Bruce and she'll regret she didn't) But thanks for the word. I don't know where I got it but admit, it's a good one.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:20 pmI am sure Judd did not mean on every point Maezeppa , but that is good point to make.
That is, that Iran, with a well rested well trained well equipped army, ranked with battle hardened officers and troops, will be quite a bit more formidable than the war ravaged military of Iraq.
And not even to mention the fact that China and Russia would most likely provide boots on the ground support for any such invasion.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:22 pmYea I-RIGHT-I, you're a real he man.....
January 14th, 2006 at 8:24 pmcro magnon that is
January 14th, 2006 at 8:24 pmThat is, that Iran, with a well rested well trained well equipped army, ranked with battle hardened officers and troops, will be quite a bit more formidable than the war ravaged military of Iraq.
And not even to mention the fact that China and Russia would most likely provide boots on the ground support for any such invasion.
Comment by WORFEUS
Iran is a third world shithole thanks to the Islamists. They do not have a military that compares or can compete with a troop of our Girl Scouts. USA! USA! USA!
China and Russia are in no shape to take us on. If they were China would have Taiwan and Russia would not have capitulated in the Cold War AKA WWIII. We rule the roost, that's why the world hates us...some of the world.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:26 pmT-he. There’s no way I’d ever watch a movie called GI Jane even though I know the broad that stared in it is (was) one of my favorite girls…
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 8:20 pm
hahahahahaha! This is rich... Oh, IRI, guess who people tell me that I look like... That's right! Hahahahaha!
So, who do you get? George from Seinfeld's father? Or, I know - Verne Troyer!
January 14th, 2006 at 8:26 pmWaaaaayyy OT- sorry to all, SEAHAWKS WON!!!!! OMG!!!!! They are the home team. It's been 21 looooong years. And Shawn Alexander got a concussion in the first qtr! Hoopla! Ok, back OT. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results? I will be expecting to see Congress bust a collective foot off in Boy George's ass, when he goes whining to them, about how he's only doing it for us. Spare me! We need to be protected from HIM!!
January 14th, 2006 at 8:28 pmBush and Cheney want to ignite nuclear WWIII, so expect the worst folks! America will be nuked too, which means George is trying to beat Hitler's record on killing people!
January 14th, 2006 at 8:29 pm#83 - "If the Russians didn’t attack us in the 1980’s, when it was a viable option for them, then I am not inclined to believe that Iran will now. What is their motve? Seriously - why would they?
January 14th, 2006 at 8:33 pmI think anyone who thinks otherwise is buying into the fear mongering." - "Comment" by unbelievable
****** I am relieved to note, as a teacher, your sphere of influence is relatively small. Your demonstrated lack of understanding of the comprehensive differences between the former Soviet Union and Iran is startling. As rabidly power-hungry as Soviet communists were, the mullahs, who propel the political stance are a dimension and factor you do not appear to consider. You don't teach "Social Studies" do you? (An aside - ask Chechyan Russians - ordinary teachers, parents and the like their views of radical Islamists. Ask Israel how they enjoy having Iran as a "neighbor".))
China and Russia are in no shape to take us on. If they were China would have Taiwan and Russia would not have capitulated in the Cold War AKA WWIII. We rule the roost, that’s why the world hates us…some of the world.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 8:26 pm
Are you drunk already?
China has more people... than in and of itself should be enough of a deterent. There's a reason we had an arms race with Russia. If we weren't intimidated by their capacity to be a tough competitor we wouldn't have been in an arms race with them. No one notices the people that they don't consider intimidating - especially testosterone laden dictators. You clearly are delusional. And it's that delusion that is going to get us in trouble.
Please, someone come liberate the United States...
January 14th, 2006 at 8:34 pmHe was 29 when he married my mom. 30 years later when he was dying of cancer he began to tell me very personal things (for some reason dying people like to tell secrets…). One of those things was that he never had an affair. That wasn’t his motivation. But thanks for the admission that you cannot control yourself.
He wasn't telling a secret. He was reminding you of the kind of man you should have. I certainly didn't admit to not being able to control myself. This weirdness of yours is one of the reasons I don't think women should be allowed to vote. You are in a different world.
In a way you with you anti-Christian stance helped him in his opinion.
He died 12 years ago. I’ve only been an Atheist for a couple of years. So, unless he was clairvoyant, I don’t think so. 0 for 2
He knew you were a loser but loved you anyway. Me too.
He probably knew (because we KNOW) that you would not attract the kind of man that he is. Thus, “Baby, you’ve got to learn to take care of yourselfâ€.
Whew, that’s a relief… because he was an alcoholic with a bad temper and a Mafia past. I’m better off with sensitive, supportive liberal men who like smart women.
That aside, he knew to take care of first things first and he knew the difference between right and wrong. It's unfortunate that he wasn't able to pass along the good in him. Oh, just a hint. There's no man worth having, worth keeping that's a Liberal who like smart women. Liberal pussy men and strong smart women are incompatible. You need someone like me to kick your ass and keep you honest. (How's that for a pickup line?)
January 14th, 2006 at 8:37 pm****** I am relieved
Wet yourself again? I hear that's a problem for older women... Might wanna pick up some Depends.
Your demonstrated lack of understanding of the comprehensive differences between the former Soviet Union and Iran is startling. As rabidly power-hungry as Soviet communists were, the mullahs, who propel the political stance are a dimension and factor you do not appear to consider.
Is that supposed to mean something? Because once again, you fail to answer my question or say anything that isn't condescending, broad and obscure. Give me a MOTIVE.
You don’t teach “Social Studies†do you? (An aside - ask Chechyan Russians - ordinary teachers, parents and the like their views of radical Islamists. Ask Israel how they enjoy having Iran as a “neighborâ€.))
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 14, 2006 @ 8:33 pm
I'm sure as much as your neighbors hate having you next door. But surely, you must not think it gives them authority to come over and set your house on fire while you're at home, does it? Because it's no different. And if anything, you're probably a bigger threat to your neighbors as 95% of all victims personally know thie attacker...
January 14th, 2006 at 8:40 pmI bet she’d wash out your mouth with soap if she heard you speak so rudely to a woman.
Comment by RightPunch
Nope. My mom is very critical of women in general. Ass tats and duck skirts and all that make her nervous. I like the duck skirts myself.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:43 pmChina and Russia are in no shape to take us on. If they were China would have Taiwan and Russia would not have capitulated in the Cold War AKA WWIII. We rule the roost, that’s why the world hates us…some of the world.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 8:26 pm
Keep on believing that. China alone has a 2 million man army. Add 500,000 battle trained troops, the current massive build up of the Chinese navy and air force, Russias air force and navy and half a million Iranian troops and you think the 150,000 we have scraped together from national guard units and such are going to fare well?
Your a fool.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:48 pmAre you drunk already?
Nope. But I did visit one of our military installations today. USA! USA! Baby, America Rocks!
China has more people… than in and of itself should be enough of a deterent.
Only to a caterer. WTF? There will be NO convention war with Red China. We learned our lesson in Korea.
There’s a reason we had an arms race with Russia. If we weren’t intimidated by their capacity to be a tough competitor we wouldn’t have been in an arms race with them. No one notices the people that they don’t consider intimidating - especially testosterone laden dictators. You clearly are delusional. And it’s that delusion that is going to get us in trouble.
Please, someone come liberate the United States…
Comment by unbelievable
I hope your social skills exceed that of your geopolitical.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:50 pmUnfortunarely this tiome Bush is right However because he lied about Iraq no one believes him. Also Iran knows that we cannot do anything to deter their nuclear program, because our troops are stuck in Iraq.
Comment by Jeff
Hey Jeff...he didn't lie about Iraq. Once more he knew Iran was on the horizon. That's called leadership. "Stupid George" has seen to it that America will survive the 21st century. That's the way our history books will read and the fact that your grandchildren will read them will be the proof. You read it here first.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:53 pmHe wasn’t telling a secret.
Semantics again? Spare me.
He was reminding you of the kind of man you should have.
He wanted me to marry my conservative Navy pilot boyfriend I was dating at the time. HAd I listened, I'd now be just as divorced as you are.
I certainly didn’t admit to not being able to control myself. This weirdness of yours is one of the reasons I don’t think women should be allowed to vote. You are in a different world.
Weirdness? You think it's weird that I don't rattle upstairs? Well, you would. Kind of women you date... I gotta imagine that I and the other women in here are culture shock for a guy like you who dates living blow up dolls.
He knew you were a loser but loved you anyway. Me too.
You wish I were a loser - then you might stand a chance...
That aside, he knew to take care of first things first and he knew the difference between right and wrong.
So do most people. It's innate that most people know the difference. It's where your religion took it's morality from.
Oh, just a hint. There’s no man worth having, worth keeping that’s a Liberal who like smart women. Liberal pussy men and strong smart women are incompatible.
Oh yeah, how you figure? I gotta hear this...
You need someone like me to kick your ass and keep you honest. (How’s that for a pickup line?)
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 8:37 pm
You aren't honest... so how's that supposed to work? And, by the way, that ass kicking comment, that was my father's motivation for teaching me to be strong. He watched his mother get beaten by one of her husbands... and didn't want me to have to tolerate the same.
I had a friend in college who used to go into bars and tell women he would give them a dollar if they would... well, imagine something obvious and crude... and he got slapped across the face for it every time. Your pick up line is pretty much on par with his... (Of course he's now a religious freak living in Tex-ass with a wife and kids...)
January 14th, 2006 at 8:54 pm#209-"rabidly power hungry" Hello Pot, meet Kettle! Just substitute "soviet communists" with current Bush Administration, and voila! It's like they were cloned or something. Bush & Co. don't even try to hide it anymore. They know that no one anywhere is able to stop them. Because those who would stop them lack the power to do so. And you revel in that knowledge, just unable to keep from taunting others about it. And "the mullahs"? PUHLEEZE!!! Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham. Reverend Phelps, and all those psychos who try to shove their beliefs down your throat, and heap condemnation upon you if you don't fall in line. Get crucial. "Reality is a crutch for those who cannot handle drugs." Try some, you'll feel much better.
January 14th, 2006 at 8:55 pmOnly to a caterer. WTF? There will be NO convention war with Red China. We learned our lesson in Korea.
And, so, what? We decided not to use that in Iraq? Decided to slaughter thousands of innocent people and allow insurgents kill our soldiers instead? Decided to let the conflict escalate for nearly 3 years and turn into a civil war? That makes no sense... Are you reading from your Halliburton manual again? Because, honestly IRI, if we can't handle Osama and his is lemmings, we can't handle a real adversary...
January 14th, 2006 at 9:03 pmYour a fool.
Comment by WORFEUS
Hey baby! This ones for you and the Red Chinese...
Whatever happens, we have got
The Maxim gun, and they have not.
Hillaire Belloc
Bill Clinton didn't know so was unable to give them everything we've got. Red China isn't a problem as long as they do something bad enough to warrant their total destruction. For example, we may have to give up Los Angles and Seattle but the end of the thing is assured.
January 14th, 2006 at 9:04 pmWe decided not to use that in Iraq? Decided to slaughter thousands of innocent people and allow insurgents kill our soldiers instead?
Comment by unbelievable
Yes.
January 14th, 2006 at 9:06 pmB-b-b-b-but we HAFTA invade Iran! We do ! We really, really do!
How else are we ever going to get the pipeline fulla freshly-stolen Iraqi dinosaur goop to our major investors in China?
IRAQ --> IRAN --> AFGHANISTAN --> CHINA!
--> PAKISTAN (?)
--> INDIA (?)
Matt Damon's character in "Syriana" sums it up MUCH better, though. Check it out.
January 14th, 2006 at 9:08 pmMatt Damon’s character in “Syriana†sums it up MUCH better, though. Check it out.
Comment by Adirondack Bruce
"Syriana" is a ploy to keep your mind from the strategic objective of the Islamists. In short it's Leftist propaganda. It's no coincidence that the Eurolosers have aligned themselves with the very people who hate them the most and the opening of this picture is proof positive.Ditto, "Munich".
Self hating Europeans and Americans have a death with that Islam is more than eager to make reality. You may thank the luck of your birth that your American fellows on the Right will not allow that to happen. But you're making it harder to keep the death toll down. If you persist we will be forced to kill tens of millions of the Islamist enemy instead of allowing them the time to become citizens of the world and friends of America.
January 14th, 2006 at 9:21 pmtypical...IRI thinks demi should've stayed with bruce...
January 14th, 2006 at 9:32 pmum, i've seen ashton in his underwear - she will NOT regret that choice!
whew!...see demi smile!
I-RIGHT-I,
Apparently I'm the only reason you haven't been banned yet. Because I complained about Judd's lack of management of the blog, he won't ban you out of spite for me. Apparently Judd's a lot more like you, than he is like me. Just goes to show you that power corrupts even those that say they believe in 'liberal' values.
You better hope I don't comply with Judd's rules, he might just ban you if agreed to be the ONLY person who has to post under such an enforcement policy.
How funny he doesn't make you comply. Especially since you've posted work from the 'brothersjudd' website. Are you to brothers? It would explain why he would let a hatemonger like you post racist epitaths purely out of his own egomania, and in direct conflict with the Terms of Use agreement.
Just curious?
January 14th, 2006 at 9:44 pm#255 - Ry_a_n_N_e_at,
January 14th, 2006 at 10:05 pmIRI exists only as a horrible example of the bigots in this nation. When all ASPs recognize the fact that all humans are sapient beings, the world will be a better place. Ry_a_n_N_e_at is obviously a throwback.
#208 Jay Randal, I had the same thought. Bushie isn't going to go down in history as someone who killed less people than Hitler. The reichwingers would never approve.
I'm waiting for the "we will use airstrikes, troops on the ground won't be necessary therefore we don't expect much loss of life on our side".
Hey Ryan, I hope its not true that Judd is a neocon lover. If he is then I'll be bloggin elsewhere. I wonder why thinkprogress allows the neocons to post under several different names.
January 14th, 2006 at 10:10 pmSusan,
I think judd just has an 'ego' and 'insecurity' problem, but considering the fact he would ban me and not I-RIGHT-I, and then send a snotty email to me telling he isn't banning I-RIGHT-I soley and entirely because I want him banned - it makes you wonder who's politics Judd represents.
I think Judd is a great researcher, but his blog management skills warrant him hiring a competent blogmaster. So far there is NO management here, and that's the biggest issue. My suspicion is that Judd's ego prevents him from ceding control to a competent person to manage things.
And his email was snotty and completely childish - I have to say I was shocked. His email was like a cross between Giacomo, I-RIGHT-I and mighty aphrodite. It makes me wonder whether maybe he might be the source of the trolls himself to 'spice' up the blog. That sort of threat tampering is not unheard of - and it would explain a lot about why their stories don't add up, and clearly they're fake personnas.
And Susan, I know Podesta is not a neo-con, so I believe a campaign to american progress for the hiring of responsible management of the blog is a more effective response than leaving the blog. I don't encourage anyone to leave this blog, other than the hate trolls.
January 14th, 2006 at 10:35 pmReply to post 227 Susan: Thanks for your agreement! I truely hope I am wrong and WWIII is NOT ignited by Bush, but he is trying hard to make it happen! If he hits Iran with nukes, then nuclear war begins worldwide and yes we get nuked too, by China or Russia or both!
As for Bush Zombie troll bloggers like I-R-I > I think they abuse ThinkProgress, but by the time their screenname is blocked, they come in here under another name!
January 14th, 2006 at 10:41 pmRed China isn’t a problem as long as they do something bad enough to warrant their total destruction. For example, we may have to give up Los Angles and Seattle but the end of the thing is assured.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 9:04 pm
Thank you Doctor Strangelove.
January 14th, 2006 at 11:07 pmReaders, go way up thread and read the terryturtle links. I's about oil, and retaining petrodollars as the monoply currency. Gawd help our economy once China, Russa and Iran coalesce with Europe to establish a petroeuro. Texass oilmen don't want coal-based gasoline but that is our ace in the hole. Oh, and a Mussolini end, after trial and conviction, for Bushco neocons.
January 14th, 2006 at 11:19 pmEvery REAL reason for attacking Iraqis is repeated in this current attempt to wreak havoc. Scare the masses, or the remaining Bush supporters, that is, steal all they can, and just maybe, raise enough doubt to hang on to the House and Senate in November. Excluding all the "rigged" elections already secured, that is. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. Ignorance is NOT bliss!! Although it does explain ignorant Trolls. The truth burns them like acid, and that is why their screams of denial are so loud....
January 14th, 2006 at 11:59 pmIt makes me wonder whether maybe he might be the source of the trolls himself to ’spice’ up the blog.
I've considered this too. I see a trolls username and know they are here but I don't read anything they write. Once in awhile they catch me because they come up with a new name. Once I know they are neocons who refuse to fight for their causes I dismiss them as sissies, pansies. To me they are nothing but a waste of skin.
January 15th, 2006 at 12:23 amRyan, I also notice that Thinkprogress rarely posts anything about the monetary damage Bushie has done to this country.
The screw up of the Medicare Prescription Plan is very newsworthy and affects many Americans.
Bushie has wiped out so many families bank accounts and their lives are forever changed.
Yesterday I ran into an old friend who reported that both his daughter and son in law lost their jobs. These are young people who have had the same job for years. It's going to take a long time for them to recover.
They are not alone, I've been unemployed since the fall of 2004. I'm broke. Nobody's talking about that though.
January 15th, 2006 at 12:29 amWell, you have to remember Susan, when the right wing trolls in here tell you how the Bush administration has created jobs, I would remind them we are not talking about Haliburton. :|
January 15th, 2006 at 12:34 amThe only jobs Bubble boy has created are military jobs. If you have a death wish, Bubble boy will pay you to die or become an invalid.
I'd be interested in knowing how many halliburton employees have been killed in Iraq. You have any stats WORFEUS?
January 15th, 2006 at 12:37 amI don't have current numbers at my disposal, but the place to find them is the US Dept. Of Labor, who records these deaths.
Last year, around March, they released a report that showed some numbers.
As of March 2005, the most deaths sufferend by any of the 119 US firms operating in Iraq were suffered by a firm called Titan Corporation. Titan lost 163 employees which was well more than Haliburton, who up to that point had only lost 26, however there were 35 from one subsidiary alone, so I am not sure how accurate these reports are.
Big firms like Haliburton don't like releasing these numbers. Not exactly good for recruiting purposes.
January 15th, 2006 at 1:00 amAnother smoke screen. These guys are good at manipulating the media with their propaganda, much the same way that fascism rose to power with lies and deception that created the unreasonable fear of a non-existent enemy and the inevitable scapegoat.
January 15th, 2006 at 1:04 amYou know, I don't really see what the problem is.
It is unthinkable that a sitting President would wage a war, and give a no bid multi-BILLION dollar contract to the Vice Presidents former company.
It's a terrible thing to do.
At the very least, it sends a terrible message to the American people.
At the very worst, it reeks of corruption, scandal, and felonious greed.
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, but whatever it is, it is UNTHINKABLE that a sitting President would do this.
Unthinkable.
January 15th, 2006 at 1:11 amThis should have been grounds for impeachment, this and this alone.
January 15th, 2006 at 1:12 amIran is surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons. (Iraq,** Isreal, China, Pakistan, India). This doesn't excuse its actions, but it explains it to a degree.
Also, there is incredible hypocrisy in you not putting your own or Isreal's nuclear weapons on the negotiating table and expecting everyone else to give it up. The US's biasness and one-sided support for Isreal is the main reason for your lack of support in the Arab world. Outside the US, everyone and his mother knows that.
If you hadn't ovethrown a democratically elected and oriented government in the 1950s and installed the murderous Shah of Iran for the purposes of greater control over the oil, the US wouldn't be in such a situation. In other words, the Iranian Revolution was more or less created by your support for the Shah. (The word used by historians is "blowback")
Given that you have a record of FAILED interventions in the Middle East (including Saddam), there is no room for optimism about your chances of success this time around.
**(Iraq, under US occupation and a puppet government, should be taken as an arm of America - i.e. a nuclear-weapon operating power)
January 15th, 2006 at 1:24 amReply to post 240 > Dick Cheney is greedy and he could care less how obvious it is about Halliburton getting billions, because he gets kickbacks to an offshore account! Probably 10% of the profits for each government contract! Every thug does this kind of crap! Where do you think Cheney got a few million to buy his mansion? The government house that he is given as VP is too puny for him > lol.
Impeach Bush and Cheney for corruption!!!
January 15th, 2006 at 1:24 am[...] I’m sick and tired of the bullshit. These schmucks bungled the war in Iraq from start to finish, and now they’re beating the drum for war with Iran. To me, everyone’s missed the point when they accuse the President of starting a war for oil, becuase it’s not about that. It’s about chili-macaroni served on trays in the desert, fat defense contracts for everything from missiles to private security to porta-pottys, yet not for adequate body armor or IED friendly vehicles or the VA’s budget. The amount of life-long entitlements that have to get paid by you and I for the wounded coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq is growing by the day, yet in 2005 the Republican controlled congress underfunded the VA in spite of the gap having been pointed out to them by Democrats several times. Bush’s staff eventually acknowledged the gap and provided the funding. [...]
January 15th, 2006 at 2:00 amIt’s about chili-macaroni served on trays in the desert, fat defense contracts for everything from missiles to private security to porta-pottys, yet not for adequate body armor or IED friendly vehicles or the VA’s budget
Eureka! We've struck GOLD!
WORFEUS has been saying this for years now. This is EXACTLY what it's about. This is the truth.
This is a truth-O-cution.
January 15th, 2006 at 4:18 amand now they’re beating the drum for war with Iran.
Yea, well someone better remind them that it will take Iran 5 YEARS to build a bomb. And then are they going to be able to test it? Launch it? Navigation and delivery?
5 YEARS does not sound like we need to rush off to war tomorrow. Does it?
January 15th, 2006 at 4:20 amSometime, somehow, someway the Middle East conflict will blow up.
January 15th, 2006 at 6:00 amThere will be at least tactical nukes employed in response to
some kind of "nuclear" provocation from "extremeists"
There will be a military draft in the USA.
There will be a wartime economic policy implemented.
There will be rationing.
There will be martial law.
There will be war bonds and a huge increase in the military.
There will be a vast invasion of the middle east, making
the invasion of Europe in 1944 look like a training exersize.
Good points every one on the left. Welcome back Ryan, you were missed. I don't remember seeing any coment made about the terrible debt this bunch of radicals has buried us in. The continued war threats by mr.crazy in power are a tip of the iceberg. China and Japan are holding 8+ trillion of our debt last I read and our country could fall in a N.Y minute with a nod or tap of a gavel. All it will take is one more dumb comment by the nutbag in charge or calling in for the markers. Sign all the patitions to impeach, rally together and march in masses do what ever we need to do to get these crazies out...Blessings
January 15th, 2006 at 6:11 amOne reason that Iran wants a bomb that hasn't been fully illuminated, 1954 US sponsored coup installing the Shah, who was basically a puppet for washington, revolution in 1979 overthrowing the shah, followed by war with Iraq backed by washington 1980-1988, with our invasion of Iraq in 2003 Iran might believe that Iraq was to be used as a staging ground for another attempt to subject them to another puppet government. They are the only Shia nation in the world (until now possibily we have inadvertinatly helped creat another in Iraq) Good going Bubble-boy! Most of the sunni dominated nations backed or supported the Iraqi was on Iran. An old american indian proverb Never judge another unless you have walked a mile in their mochasans... Wonder what the wingnuts would be spouting if they had to have lived the Iranian's history instead of ours.
January 15th, 2006 at 6:26 amDumbest thing I ever heard of is Bush's desire to attack Iran.
January 15th, 2006 at 6:56 am$5 oil
opposition by China and Russia
the destabilization of Pakistan and all the middle east
Huge disunity in the USA
weakness on the Mexican border
no guard around for national disasters
the scorn of the rational world
a hiatus for drug lords
a hell of a permanent guerilla war
the possibility of attacks on americans in Iraq
more death in Israel
danger to the clumsy fleet in the gulf
opposition to the draft
At the very least, it sends a terrible message to the American people.
At the very worst, it reeks of corruption, scandal, and felonious greed.
Comment by WORFEUS — January 15, 2006 @ 1:11 am
Nail on the head, WORFEUS. I had run into a high school clsssmate who had become a Crime Scene Investigator for the county. He told me "You know, when we were in high school, we didn't get into trouble, not really... But these days, these kids, I don't know what happened... Just arrested a 15 year old boy for making a pipe bomb." When I asked him what he thought had changed in teh last 20 years he just said "People don't have morals anymore..."
If a child's greatest role model is their parent of the same sex, then the President has to be a close second for the young boys who grow up under his Administration. Look at the example Bush is setting. No wonder the youth of today is so violent. It's not their video games - it's their President using violence and fear to solve all problems....
The saddest part is what the long term effects of this Administration of Death and Destruction who assumes guilty until proven innocent (see Iraq WMD) will be on our culture...
January 15th, 2006 at 7:49 amPet G W is doing it again with the initiatives of his new world order regime...
January 15th, 2006 at 8:21 amIran is a threat if they have a nuclear weapon like we have..
The United STates will eventually be the only stand alone nation with nuclear weapons.. next to CHINA ..
52% of Americans (polled by bi-partisan Zogby) believe Bush should be investigated and Impeached for wiretapping U.S. citizens without a warrant... We're getting momentum!!!
http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2
January 15th, 2006 at 9:22 amAnd finally!! Someone with some political celebrity to champion the cause - our real President...
The Nation -- It sounds as if Al Gore is about to deliver what could be not just one of the more significant speeches of his political career but an essential challenge to the embattled presidency of George W. Bush.
In a major address slated for delivery Monday in Washington, the former Vice President is expected to argue that the Bush administration has created a "Constitutional crisis" by acting without the authorization of the Congress and the courts to spy on Americans and otherwise abuse basic liberties.
Aides who are familiar with the preparations for the address say that Gore will frame his remarks in Constitutional language. The Democrat who beat Bush by more than 500,000 votes in the 2000 presidential election has agreed to deliver his remarks in a symbolically powerful location: the historic Constitution Hall of the Daughters of the American Revolution. But this will not be the sort of cautious, bureacratic speech for which Gore was frequently criticized during his years in the Senate and the White House.
continued at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20060113/cm_thenation/149140_1
January 15th, 2006 at 9:27 amAnd for the trolls, before they comment...
Former U.S. Representative Bob Barr, the Georgia Republican who served as one of the most conservative members of the House, plans to introduce Gore. Barr, an outspoken critic of the abuses of civil liberties contained in the USA Patriot Act critic who has devoted his post-Congressional years to defending the Bill of Rights, refers to the president's secret authorization of domestic wiretapping as "an egregious violation of the electronic surveillance laws."
January 15th, 2006 at 9:31 am“Vladimir Zhirinovsky (Russia) has made no secret of his insanity in the past. Besides praising Hitler and encouraging the use of nuclear weapons, he has advocated Russia’s invasion and “reacquisition†of Alaska.â€
Sounds more threatening than Iran to me…. Is Bush gonna go after Russa now?
January 15th, 2006 at 9:45 amyes americans are cowerds,we have an adminisrtation that is whiping thier ass with constitution and bill of rights,we have congress men who are cowerds and not comeing forward to tell the truth about the war and 911,anyone that thinks 911 was pulled off by 19 cavedwellers is mentaly ill,our government pulled off 911 and congres knows it,most americans know it,but all the cowerds of this once proud nation have thier hesd in the sand while a dictatorship is being installed in so-called america,time for the real men in this country to start making arrest or we the people will have too do it.p.s any real men left or just traitors we should be ashamed of ourself i know i am
January 15th, 2006 at 10:12 amI really can't blame Iran for flipping Bush the bird, so to speak. What choice has he given them? It is only the nuclear weapon idea that causes the Bushies to hesitate. That is why they are in such a rage to whack them. It only works (well...) if there is no "real" threat. Yeah, because if they had really believed that Saddam was going to use his Chemical, or Biological weapons on our troops, wouldn't they have given them ALL hazmat gear? But no, the big concern was to secure the oil ministries, before all else. And George even warned them not to destroy the oil fields, or there would be trouble for them. Yuppers they were REALLY worried. Snort. Pudendum Heads.
January 15th, 2006 at 10:20 amIran is surrounded by countries with nuclear weapons. (Iraq,** Isreal, China, Pakistan, India). This doesn’t excuse its actions, but it explains it to a degree.
Comment by realist67 #241
realist,
"EXCUSE"? Since when does a sovereign nation need to be "EXCUSED" for attempting to put itself in a position to deter naked aggression by imperialist powers...
That line in your otherwise spot on post sounds more in line with something a white supremacist, right wing Bushite Al Cracka traitor would say...
I am sure you will agree that all of us patriotic progressive American "realists" need to avoid using such paternalistic pronouncements...
Iranians (nor any other sovereign nations) need no such "pardons" for exercising what is their God given right (to self defense)...
January 15th, 2006 at 10:33 amAmerica in a depression or deep recession is prime recruiting grounds for Fascism.
January 15th, 2006 at 10:39 amThe curse on I-Rightscumsucker-I is working...
He's currently in the delusional stage, and will soon experience tragedy within his household that will drive him to open fire in his neighborhood Walmart- his daughters will be arrested at the local mall for prostitution...
January 15th, 2006 at 11:01 amIf Iran ever attacks Isreal or continues to produce nuclear weapons (which nobody can disagree with--all Democrats agree with that), then we will eventually have to use the military.
However, since we have an idiot in office who doesn't know how to fight wars--its a double-eged sword. If we don't use military action against Iran if it becomes hostile, we will be screwed. If we do use military action against Iran if it becomes hostile, we will also be screwed since our commander-in-chief doesn't know how to fight wars. This is no FDR.
January 15th, 2006 at 11:23 amThis is no FDR.
Comment by MiamiFla #261
He*l this ain't even an FDA!
January 15th, 2006 at 12:37 pm" If you persist we will be forced to kill tens of millions of the Islamist enemy instead of allowing them the time to become citizens of the world and friends of America.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 14, 2006 @ 9:21 pm
And there you have the republican ethos in a nutshell.
Standing amid the burning corpes is IRI, uttering Oliver Hardy's immortal words: "Now look what you made me do"!
January 15th, 2006 at 12:45 pmIf Bush attacks Iran with nukes, then WWIII will begin and millions would be killed! It is the End Times for us all unless Bush is stopped NOW!
January 15th, 2006 at 1:13 pm#218 - Unbelievable - I gave you too much credit. I thought you were capable of reading and digesting complete sentences. ("I am relieved"...pitiful - unless you're 8 years old.) I apologize. Due to your inability to connect the dots in my argument re: Russia vs. Iran, I will e-x-p-l-a-i-n it s-l-o-w-l-y to you.
a.) Communist fanatics in the former Soviet Union (and their "useful idiots" here and in other Western capitalist countries) were not utopians. They were power hungry communist atheists who worshipped at the altar of POWER. (Untwist your panties - this is not to say that all atheists are communists - though many are) The importance of this note, however, is to demonstrate the lack of fanatical religious zealotry in discussions with Russians from Stalin to Gorbachev. Their goal was not to kill us - their goal was to enslave us - more little worker beesfor the Soviet hive.
b.) Iran, on the the other hand has had a it's government in the tenacles of the extremists religious mullahs. This is not to say that all Muslims are extremists. Many of the younger generation are bravely keeping up with the outside world and taking to the streets when numbers afford them a measure of protection. The mullahs do not want to enslave us; they do not fear us (as Russia did). This was demonstrated back in 1979 when our hostages were captured. (I know you'll find THIS hard to believe, but George Bush the Elder and Younger had NOTHING to do with the hostage taking incident.) These barbarians HATE us with an intensity that cannot be resolved, short of a bullet or blow torch.
Your immature responses might be amusing if they were witty. Contact cynical hippie, JC War god, SpudgeMAN, or Worfeus. They are sharp, quick witted and alot of fun!I agree with them perhaps 10% of the time but their repartee is clever and intelligent. Wit wise, stay away from Susan, Marie, Mr. Susan, RyANNE - they seem sooo bitter and resentful they should be pitied.
January 15th, 2006 at 3:55 pmwe should be ashamed of ourself i know i am
Comment by ron hornback
If it helps I'm ashamed of you and I don't even know you.
January 15th, 2006 at 4:14 pmI think judd just has an ‘ego’ and ‘insecurity’ problem, but considering the fact he would ban me and not I-RIGHT-I, and then send a snotty email to me telling he isn’t banning I-RIGHT-I soley and entirely because I want him banned - it makes you wonder who’s politics Judd represents.
Comment by R_y_a_n_Crybaby_N_e_at
That's as funny as all getout. You're the one still crying and making as issue out of the fact that Judd slapped you upside the head. (something only you and he knew about until you showed back up calling him names like a little girl)I'd say it's you that has the ego problems and unhealthy insecurity issues. Now you're charging him with treason against Liberal Losers everywhere.
So...I have you to thank for my unexpected longevity? Well then, thank you. How's it feel to be a tool?
January 15th, 2006 at 4:21 pm(something only you and he knew about until you showed back up calling him names like a little girl)
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 15, 2006 @ 4:21 pm
No, remember you told me, specifically, that he'd been banned during that week after Christmas when I thought he was on vacation...
January 15th, 2006 at 4:32 pmI’ve considered this too. I see a trolls username and know they are here but I don’t read anything they write.
Comment by Susan
Nonsense. Whenever you get a little brave you reply to me though your favorite trick is to do it indirectly. From now on I'll try and be gentle with you.
January 15th, 2006 at 5:00 pm**Correction** - My post #265 is directed to #212.
For #218 - My dear Cyra - your rant was so illogically conceived that I'll only waste two sentences refuting your "argument". If your comparison of the Soviet Union to the US was correct, you would likely be penning your protests in the hazy candlelight of suburban Nome, Alaska. If Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and the rest of the Evangelical Protestants had the kind of power you ascribe, Presidente Chavez would be swinging from a lampost.
January 15th, 2006 at 5:03 pmNo, remember you told me, specifically, that he’d been banned during that week after Christmas when I thought he was on vacation…
Comment by unbelievable
I know you'd like to believe I'm a plant but, it's not so. I read one of the other people talking about the poor little guy's trouble. Then, later I saw a post by the poor little guy himself. Honest.
There is a reason I'm allowed to stay here but it's not what you think.
January 15th, 2006 at 5:12 pmJerry Falwell and the rest of the Evangelical Protestants had the kind of power you ascribe, Presidente Chavez would be swinging from a lampost.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
You mean we don't! !!!Sob!!!
January 15th, 2006 at 5:14 pm#268 & #271, While I generally ignore I-R-I, for the sake of clarity, it was I that posted that I believed both Ryan and Wally were banned... for when I tried to type either of their names into a post, that post was omitted. When I posted my suspicions, Ryan replied.
At least Ryan, generally had something useful to add to the discussion thread. Wally, on the otherhand, adds nothing but noise and nincompoopery.
I-R-I, well, his venom speaks for itself.
January 15th, 2006 at 5:28 pmDear Progressives - While many of you claim that you hate trolls - you muust admit that we do spice up this sight. You get to practice, if not perfect, your arguments. For those who cherished RyANNe's reflexive, childish and vulgar name-calling, remember that debate is what makes this such a wonderful country (this is especially meant for those of you politically correct types who brook no argument). For those of you ashamed to be called Americans, remember there was a time when your countrymen were rounded up, had their land confiscated, were put on trains and sent to back water outposts called Manzanar, etc. And I know you will try, but that despicable time in our history was not the fault of GWB. Mercifully, through the perfect lens of 20/20 hindsight, we have not resorted to such backwards tactics.
January 15th, 2006 at 5:32 pmThen there's Mrs. Flighty Aphrodite, here once again to dispense here daily dose of condescension. Thanks for your thoughtful insight and superior intellect Aphrodite, I really do enjoy the caricatures you draw here. You should get a job at Myrtle Beach drawing cartoons of tourists.
January 15th, 2006 at 5:37 pmAll anyone has to do in order to understand the reason for this war is to ask him/herself why, for a country the size of Texas, are we spending hundreds of billions of dollars? Is it WMDs? No, that case was shot full of holes. Is it because we(sorry,the powers that be)love the Iraqi people and want them to taste liberty? No, we didn't give two ___s about them when Saddam was in our back pocket and was killing his own people. Is it because we were attacked on 9/11? If you still believe that one a response is unwarranted due to willful ignorance or limited mental capabilities on your part. Of all the problems here in the U.S., we are spending hundreds of billions on a war in which we are increasing the number of terrorists,not reducing them.If we want somewhere to spend hundreds of billions do it here in the U.S., do it fighting world hunger, do it by getting the best minds together and combating AIDS, bird flu and other diseases. Destroy poverty, hunger and illiteracy and you destroy the foundation of terrorism
January 15th, 2006 at 6:46 pmFor #218 - My dear Cyra - your rant was so illogically conceived that I’ll only waste two sentences refuting your “argumentâ€.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 15, 2006 @ 5:03 pm
Hey jealousy... see me, Susan, Marie and now Cyra... MAgda's attacking the other women 'cause they aren't as senile or decrepit as she is...
January 15th, 2006 at 7:18 pmI know you’d like to believe I’m a plant but, it’s not so. I read one of the other people talking about the poor little guy’s trouble. Then, later I saw a post by the poor little guy himself. Honest.
There is a reason I’m allowed to stay here but it’s not what you think.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 15, 2006 @ 5:12 pm
No opinion, just seeing if you'd tell the same story when asked a few times... Your REAL AMERICAN character isn't very good at keeping his story straight, so I was just trying to see if your I-RIGHT-I character could...
Honest? I think we've covered that topic already...
You know what I think? You clairvoyant or something?
January 15th, 2006 at 7:23 pmJerry Falwell and the rest of the Evangelical Protestants had the kind of power you ascribe, Presidente Chavez would be swinging from a lampost.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
You mean we don’t! !!!Sob!!!
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 15, 2006 @ 5:14 pm
You should be nice to old Madga, she might have some Republican airheaded girlfriends who wanna make babies and meatloaf while watching Desperate Housewives that she could introduce to you...
January 15th, 2006 at 7:26 pmYou should be nice to old Madga, she might have some Republican airheaded girlfriends who wanna make babies and meatloaf while watching Desperate Housewives that she could introduce to you…
Comment by unbelievable #279
unbelievable,
Do they oink and squeal, or bleat?
Cuz if they don't IRI won't...
January 15th, 2006 at 7:37 pmUmm, with righties screaming for blood, it is only appropriate to point out that the chances of us invading Iran are slim to none. the chances of Israel jumping Iran are remote.
This doesn't mean that stupidity and and arrogant auto-de-fe hubris will not win out with jingoes and war whoopers, but paractical military reasoning rules out a US or Israeli invasion of Iran.
Get to Juan Cole's place, and look around at the Sunday story he posted up.
January 15th, 2006 at 7:40 pmWhenever you get a little brave you reply to me though your favorite trick is to do it indirectly. From now on I’ll try and be gentle with you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #269
I-Triflinpedophilebushba*licker-I,
Sort of like what you do when I confront your redneck inbred a*s?
I'd love to do you personally...hand to hand...mano-a-pig fu*ker...
January 15th, 2006 at 7:42 pm#267 - Face it - more than a few progs and most trolls were sick of the back biting anger. You were NEVER funny, you never acknowledge ONE good thing an opposition leader has EVER done - I take that back - you MAY have supported Abe Lincoln during the Emancipation but I doubt you would have picked up arms to keep the South in the Union - afterall, who are WE to impose our views on others???
January 15th, 2006 at 7:59 pmDo they oink and squeal, or bleat?
Cuz if they don’t IRI won’t…
Comment by big papa — January 15, 2006 @ 7:37 pm
Don't all neocons??? :)
January 15th, 2006 at 8:14 pmWell let me help you out, George Bush 41 did the right think by not invading And Occupying Iraq, I know because I was there, and the reasonning was discussed , if we had taken out Sadam in 91 We would have had this disaster back then. Seems like daddy is smarter than junior.
January 15th, 2006 at 8:25 pmSeems like daddy is smarter than junior.
Comment by Clif — January 15, 2006 @ 8:25 pm
Yeah, Senior actually got into Yale and Harvard on his own. And he's now hanging out with Bill Clinton...
January 15th, 2006 at 8:27 pmLooks like he's trying to move UP in the would
January 15th, 2006 at 8:31 pmI thought he finally, at 82, grew a conscience :)
January 15th, 2006 at 8:36 pmOHMYGAW!!!!! I swear I felt my inner thighs tremble when I saw that the Mighty Uptightie ITSELF had directed one those really weak attempts at witty reparte' in my general direction!!! I get the same feeling when.... well, NEVER I suppose! I await the next "pearl O' wisdom" with what can only be described as "breathless anticipation". Or sheer boredom, whichever comes first. Ty to MA! Big Hollywood Kiss!
January 15th, 2006 at 9:55 pmDear Progressives - While many of you claim that you hate trolls - you muust admit that we do spice up this sight.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 15, 2006 @ 5:32 pm
Yea Ms. Coulter?
Well I got news for you and your doublewide dwelling chickenhawk compadres. We aren't all pacifists.
Get too far out of line, and I will be happy to flip the lever that assists your neck in streching the rope to which it is attached for the crimes against humanity that you and your lot are well on your way to being tried for at Nuremburg 2.
I have no problem helping bad people, particularly those professing to be Christians, who are guilty of committing attrocities in the name of Good and Democracy, to meet Jesus a little early.
And the best place to start is always right in your own back yard.
January 15th, 2006 at 10:08 pmBTW, POST 290 was responding to this statement.
For those of you ashamed to be called Americans, remember there was a time when your countrymen were rounded up, had their land confiscated, were put on trains and sent to back water outposts called Manzanar, etc.
Mercifully, through the perfect lens of 20/20 hindsight, we have not resorted to such backwards tactics.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — January 15, 2006 @ 5:32 pm
January 15th, 2006 at 10:10 pmBy the time this thread ends Bush will have invaded Iran > lol kidding! Good posts everyone!
January 15th, 2006 at 10:41 pmYea, better get going on that Iran thing right away.
I mean, we only have 5 YEARS.
:|
January 15th, 2006 at 10:47 pmthe thing with you americans is all the while you look over seas your beds are burning...im loving seeing you lot get what you deserve ..all the crap we have to put up with from you dick heads..mc shits to name one..im going to enjoy watching you all burn
January 15th, 2006 at 11:33 pm281# boilerman10
"This doesn’t mean that stupidity and and arrogant auto-de-fe hubris will not win out with jingoes and war whoopers, but paractical military reasoning rules out a US or Israeli invasion of Iran." The scary thing is, "stupidity and and arrogant auto-de-fe hubris" didn't rule out an US invasion of Iraq, much less a botched post-invasion nation building operation.
"Get to Juan Cole’s place, and look around at the Sunday story he posted up." Here, here. Juan Cole's Informed Comment is worth visiting on a daily basis.
January 15th, 2006 at 11:44 pm#295 speaking of botched, here's the proper link to Juan Cole's Informed Comment site (provided for anyone who has yet to pay it a visit).
January 15th, 2006 at 11:47 pmthe thing with you americans is all the while you look over seas your beds are burning…im loving seeing you lot get what you deserve ..all the crap we have to put up with from you dick heads..mc shits to name one..im going to enjoy watching you all burn
Comment by stan — January 15, 2006 @ 11:33 pm
I don't know which side claims you, if either, but whatever side you're on, I on the opposite.
Watching you all burn?
Screw U.
January 16th, 2006 at 2:43 amI don’t know which side claims you, if either, but whatever side you’re on, I on the opposite.
Watching you all burn?
Screw U.
Comment by WORFEUS
He's one of yours. It kinda makes you all warm and fuzzy inside don't it?
January 16th, 2006 at 8:43 amFor those of you ashamed to be called Americans,
Comment by mighty aphrodite #274
Puny hermaphrodite,
We progressive american patriots are in no way ashamed to be called americans...
For we recognize that we are the ONLY REAL Americans...
The shame comes in when we have to share precious American oxygen, and proximity to inbred, imbecilic, scumsh*t eating Bushites like you (and your cousins)...
YOU and your kind (Bushiva/ L'il dick cheney disciples) are the source of our shame...
Please stop referring to yourselves as Americans, you're vegetation...
January 16th, 2006 at 8:48 amI-Triflinpedophilebushba*licker-I,
Sort of like what you do when I confront your redneck inbred a*s?
I’d love to do you personally…hand to hand…mano-a-pig fu*ker…
Comment by big papa
I'm well aware of the mindless violent tendencies of your breed. My guess is you prefer knives too. I'm always tickled when dumbasses like you bring a knife to a gunfight. MLK would be so proud of you.
January 16th, 2006 at 8:48 amI know you’d like to believe I’m a plant...
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #271
I-'dsaysomthingintelligentbutplantscanttalk-I,
Based on the overwhelming body of evidence provided in your posts we'd be stupid not to come to such an obvious conclusion...
...you ARE in fact vegetation...
January 16th, 2006 at 8:55 amI’m well aware of the mindless violent tendencies of your breed. My guess is you prefer knives too. I’m always tickled when dumbasses like you bring a knife to a gunfight. MLK would be so proud of you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #301
you'd be wrong...
I'm from the H. Rap Brown, Eldridge Cleaver wing...
I'd dearly love to ratatattat your redneck a*s...
See we got second amendment rights now too...boss
January 16th, 2006 at 8:58 amthe thing with you americans
Comment by stan — January 15, 2006 @ 11:33 pm
While a friend and I were backpacking across Europe for a few months, we routinely heard this same introductory line from people of either British or Australian nationality. As if they somehow knew all of us and had the omnipotence to to impart some one-size-fits-all wisdom that would make us more like them.
He doesn't know what he's talking about. People like this who generalize about 300 million people never do.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:05 amI’m well aware of the mindless violent tendencies of your breed. My guess is you prefer knives too. I’m always tickled when dumbasses like you bring a knife to a gunfight. MLK would be so proud of you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 16, 2006 @ 8:48 am
While driving cross country for a few weeks, I routinely heard this same introductory line from people of Texan heritage. As if they somehow knew all of us and had the omnipotence to to impart some one-size-fits-all wisdom that would make us more like them.
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. People like this who generalize about 300 million people never do.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:07 amWhile a friend and I were backpacking across Europe for a few months, we routinely heard this same introductory line from people of either British or Australian nationality...
Comment by unbelievable #303
unbelievable,
You're talking about "limeys" (some of the lowest in pwt) and those australians who were England's criminal exiles...
Wha' ya' wastin' time fookin' rowin' w' em' foor?
January 16th, 2006 at 9:10 amI routinely heard this same introductory line from people of Texan heritage.
Comment by unbelievable #304
unbelievable,
You gatta feel for Texican inbreds like IRI, he sees himself being marginalized by the Blacks and mexican hordes w/in ten years time...
His only hope is that his trailer park won't be overrun by savages, and (because he's long been a eunuch) that his white women remain unsoiled at the hands of dirty, virile Black and greasy Mexican thugs...
Other than that, he's a harmless, di*kless, coward...
January 16th, 2006 at 9:15 amRun IRI run...
January 16th, 2006 at 9:25 amBig Papa,
I'm pretty sure that in person, IRI is completely harmless. This format gives him a John Wayne complex... for all the reasons you mentioned above (the WASP male is the fastest declining demographic in our country).
January 16th, 2006 at 9:41 amI’m well aware of the mindless violent tendencies of your breed. My guess is you prefer knives too. I’m always tickled when dumbasses like you bring a knife to a gunfight. MLK would be so proud of you.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 16, 2006 @ 8:48 am
its pretty apparent IRIs view of history only extends back Bohemia and the arianist RudolphII view. Such as if you have read my words IRI, you should have by now forgotten your prejudices. from Oetzi Aetzi thy both come, quite dark skinned, from Egypt around 75,000 years ago. Oetzi ended up frozen in ice, in the alps. As such IRI you shall find your minds equilibrium
unstables you for you know of what I speak and that your Bias based upon color or hair or breed adds you no value;
Think about the words I say
for they are written a certain way
Thoht is but motion
and yours has gone astray
deep within each man burns that same light
be still lay quietly and loosen they grip
shake thy mind of bias and material
for then and only then
shall the path be initiated
see the number of man three
three unfolding souls
and three unfolding spirits
and thy unfolding self
forget your parties your money
for if you dont you shall never see
what is known and what isnt
do not meditate but lay quietly
resonate reflect faster thus
for the inbalanced cross expands in your mind
thought for function
January 16th, 2006 at 11:20 ammakes it to be
follow thy words listen to me
As such IRI you shall find your minds equilibrium
unstables you for you know of what I speak and that your Bias based upon color or hair or breed adds you no value;
Comment by Neo-Out-to-lunch
My biases are based solely on performance, my prejudices upon truths my culture has proven over generations. I judge no man in harsher light than I judge myself and can therefore state without fear of contradiction that you're a numbnuts.
January 16th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI’m pretty sure that in person, IRI is completely harmless. Comment by unbelievable
Not completely but pretty close. On the other hand I wouldn't hesitate to shoot the crack-head if he darkened my doorway....hehehehe...."darkened", get it?
January 16th, 2006 at 12:41 pmMy biases are based solely on performance, my prejudices upon truths my culture has proven over generations. I judge no man in harsher light than I judge myself and can therefore state without fear of contradiction that you’re a numbnuts.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 16, 2006 @ 12:38 pm
Translation: Because it takes one to know one?
January 16th, 2006 at 1:10 pmOn the other hand I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot the crack-head if he darkened my doorway….hehehehe….â€darkenedâ€, get it?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #311
I'gnorant-R'acist-I'nbred,
So THAT's how your REAL daddy died?
Is your momma out of rehab yet?
Stories swirled around the neighborhood- but we resisted believin' 'em- 'bout how many "darkies" she was doin' a day to feed her habit, and that a little bast*rd was born when the rubber broke from one of 'em (that'd be you I guess)...
After a series of stepdads did you finally find one who accepted you for the "breed" you were?
January 16th, 2006 at 1:13 pmNot completely but pretty close. On the other hand I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot the crack-head if he darkened my doorway….hehehehe….â€darkenedâ€, get it?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 16, 2006 @ 12:41 pm
Actually, I try very hard not to...
The reality is that 95% of victims know their attackers. So what you're infering is that you hang out with drug addicts...
January 16th, 2006 at 1:14 pmOn topic again:
"Independant media": CNN banned in Iran for translation gaffe
Fair coverage? Ha ha ha.
January 16th, 2006 at 1:17 pm#315 - "Fair coverage? Ha ha ha." - Evil Spaniard
January 16th, 2006 at 1:24 pm****Dear Evil - Wasn't CNN in some sort of journalistic hot water over "positive Saddam stories for access"????
The reality is that 95% of victims know their attackers. So what you’re infering is that you hang out with drug addicts…
Comment by unbelievable #314
unbelievable,
Either you didn't read my post (#313), or you didn't believe it...
Either way, I'm very disappointed...
But, I forgive you because you at least recognize a "player" (IRI) when you read one...
hahahahaha!!!!
January 16th, 2006 at 1:42 pmwhen the cycle of 5000 years has spun and the drama play is ended all souls will return to the supreme abode "god shiva" brahma kumaris world spiritual university.
January 16th, 2006 at 1:45 pm#315 Generally, USA media has no clue when talking geopolitically:
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Trust me, those countries are not there. Do some researching before bombing. If not, maybe you will end bombing some USA facility in the neighbour country.
January 16th, 2006 at 1:48 pmBig Papa,
I think we were typing at the same time, so yours posted before I read it.
IRI said that his mom is a liberal... but he never says much about his father... Wonder why?
January 16th, 2006 at 1:50 pm#319 Links repaired:
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January 16th, 2006 at 1:51 pm#315 Generally, USA media has no clue when talking geopolitically:
Comment by Evil Spaniard — January 16, 2006 @ 1:48 pm
Generally, the USA media has no clue when talking... :)
January 16th, 2006 at 1:52 pmEvil Spaniard.... Holy crap! That would be funny if it weren't so frightening that CNN doesn't know that Iraq isn't in Europe, northwest of The Czech Republic, or that Switzerland is due South of Germany...
January 16th, 2006 at 1:56 pm[...] Esta noche quisiera dedicar unos minutos a abordar una grave amenaza para la paz... La amenaza viene de Irak... Está buscando armas nucleares George Bush, 10 de Julio de 2002 Vía Think Progress [...]
January 16th, 2006 at 2:08 pm#323 Some IRIs and MAs in action:
Rednecks at helm
The report is for fun, but the people interviewed are really stating "what to bomb next"
January 16th, 2006 at 2:30 pmThe reality is that 95% of victims know their attackers.
Comment by unbelievable
I believe that but it's no comfort as I've always been in the top 5% even when it's not necessarily a good thing. Besides, anyone who "knows" me knows that I will pop a cap in the ass of anyone who looks like MC Big Daddy Poppa that comes around too early in the morning, during meals, after dark and when the "Archie Bunker" re-runs are on.
January 16th, 2006 at 2:57 pmIRI said that his mom is a liberal… but he never says much about his father… Wonder why?
Comment by unbelievable
Two reasons. He was a Liberterian and he's dead.
January 16th, 2006 at 2:58 pmEvil Spaniard…. Holy crap! That would be funny if it weren’t so frightening that CNN doesn’t know that Iraq isn’t in Europe, northwest of The Czech Republic, or that Switzerland is due South of Germany…
Comment by unbelievable
It's not funny but those are the kind of students you and your handlers at the NEA are putting out.
January 16th, 2006 at 3:43 pm#328 You mean those who believe in Intelligent Design?
January 16th, 2006 at 3:54 pm#329 Ear-Wrong_Ear proves there is no Intelligent Design.
January 16th, 2006 at 3:59 pm#328 You mean those who believe in Intelligent Design?
Comment by Evil Spaniard
Yep. That would be home schooled kids. You know, the ones that test the highest and can find your shit-hole country on a map.
January 16th, 2006 at 4:15 pm#332 So you mean you're bitter because you were one of the lowest in the tests, and too because you were lowest in the tests you vote repub? That explains the whole mess between your ears (I don't dare to say in your brains, their existance is a "theory", if not a mirage).
And, in the other hand, I bet Texas is a bigger shit hole than my country. You know, all that cattle and oil, oil who is the result of milions of years of rotting dino crap. All that ends in the brains of the majority of the repubs down there, througt the earth, water and air, and they turn all they touch in the same matter, look DeLay. He has the "texan" touch at the tip of her greasy fingers...
January 16th, 2006 at 4:33 pmBig Daddy and Worfeus - I've noticed that the most repugnant liberals are the ones who can't wait to "stretch the necks" of those who disagree with them - you are both EXCELLENT examples that the Founding Fathers not AT ALL liberal in the contemporary sense of the word....whew ...I was worried everytime one of you "open-minded intellectuals" try to hijack the Founders.
January 16th, 2006 at 6:51 pmYep. That would be home schooled kids. You know, the ones that test the highest and can find your shit-hole country on a map.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #331
IRI,
One would have thought you'd at least leave this forum long enough to be with your inbred sons during their arraignments for the murder and assaults of those homeless people in Florida...
...it's too bad you didn't teach 'em to look out for the closed sircuit cameras , huh?
January 16th, 2006 at 7:27 pmBig Daddy and Worfeus - I’ve noticed that the most repugnant liberals are the ones who can’t wait to “stretch the necks†of those who disagree with them - you are both EXCELLENT examples that the Founding Fathers not AT ALL liberal in the contemporary sense of the word….whew …I was worried everytime one of you “open-minded intellectuals†try to hijack the Founders.
Comment by mighty aphrodite #333
beeotch, what the he*l are you talking about?
Write in English...
January 16th, 2006 at 7:32 pm#334
oops, that'd be CIRCUIT!
January 16th, 2006 at 7:33 pmI believe that but it’s no comfort as I’ve always been in the top 5% even when it’s not necessarily a good thing. Besides, anyone who “knows†me knows that I will pop a cap in the ass of anyone who looks like MC Big Daddy Poppa that comes around too early in the morning, during meals, after dark and when the “Archie Bunker†re-runs are on.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 16, 2006 @ 2:57 pm
Probably the only thing we agree on is the right to bear arms - though for entirely different reasons and with entirely different attitudes about it.
As long as the government has guns, so should the people bear arms to prevent the government from becoming threatening. I think the anti-gun sentiment is a ploy. After all guns don't kill poeple, paranoid nuts like you do (though I think even you wouldn't pull the trigger at a whim). Though, these days, not that it stops our current government (see Waco), they just make bigger guns...
January 16th, 2006 at 9:32 pmTwo reasons. He was a Liberterian and he’s dead.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 16, 2006 @ 2:58 pm
Sorry to hear about your father.
Two things in common in a row... I imagine that's the last of that... Glad we got it out of the way so we can go back to me showing you how insane you are otherwise...
January 16th, 2006 at 9:37 pmIt’s not funny but those are the kind of students you and your handlers at the NEA are putting out.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 16, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
I assure you - not me. It's why I changed careers. You might not like my politics, but you can't disagree with teaching kids valuable information such as how to locate their own country on a map...
January 16th, 2006 at 9:41 pmYou know, the ones that test the highest and can find your shit-hole country on a map.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 16, 2006 @ 4:15 pm
I've seen most of your state and a good bit of his country, and Tex-ass don't come close to the beauty of Spain... not by a long shot.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:45 pmbeeotch, what the he*l are you talking about?
Write in English…
Comment by big papa — January 16, 2006 @ 7:32 pm
Thanks for the laugh big papa....
January 16th, 2006 at 9:48 pmThis can't be true. If Iran is a threat, then it is only a very small threat, unlike the grave menace Saddam posed.
To whit, President Bush told us in 2002:
"By its past and present actions, by its technological capabilities, by the merciless nature of its regime, Iraq is unique."
January 17th, 2006 at 12:05 amIt's Deja Vu All Over Again...
the second verse is the same as the first....
January 17th, 2006 at 12:16 amBob ....unique was his word for the day back then, but as usual he couldn't understand it even when can't pronounce it
January 17th, 2006 at 12:18 amUnbeleiveable....I sure hope your gun can stop a cruise misile or tank. How about a smart bomb?
January 17th, 2006 at 1:26 amClif...not much intelligence is required to press a button to launch nucular warheads. On 60 Minutes, the North Korean Military Commander said as long as the Neocons coninue down their path for world domination and current foreign policy, war is inevitable. Remove Bush now or look forward to another war. Question will be the United States vs. Who?
January 17th, 2006 at 1:32 amWell dick cheny thru his spokesperson george bush is trying to nominate Iran for that dubious dishonor
January 17th, 2006 at 1:57 amyou yanks are getting what you deserve ..anyone who votes for a moron like bush deserves to suffer..do you guys r ealise how hated you lot are for your bullying..you think your the greatest country?the biggest bunch of ego driven maniacs ..your gonna burn and the world is watching and clapping
January 17th, 2006 at 3:34 amHey stan everyone here didn't vote for bush, he only got 51% of the vote and not everyone voted, to put it another way more people either voted for someone else or refused to vote for anyone, than voted for bush, the situation is not as set in stone as the bushites would have everyone around the world believe, More than 50% of americans oppose the war, the foriegn policy being pushed by a small group of people we call neocons who are the advisers that bush listens to.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:59 am#348 Sorry, but without saying that all USA people is bushite, or pro-Iraq war, sadly a great majority in the USA is too comfortable reaching objectives with war. Not all wars, by far, are so "sanctified" as the WWII was, with Hitler and Hiro Hito invading peaceful countries and creating concentration camps. And even in WWII, the USA committed some "sins", as entering only when was directly attacked in Pearl Harbour... All the "partnership" with Great Britain was ignored 2 whole years...
January 17th, 2006 at 4:21 amEvil Spaniard Most of those here are not that confortable with what Bushco, inc. is doing.
January 17th, 2006 at 4:35 amThey only came to power in an election that the supreme court gave to them on a vote of 5 to 4.
After 911 they began their march to invade Iraq while denying that they had made that decision.
The fact that they cooked the intell is pretty apparant to those who approach the issue with an open mind, but this time they might have overstepped thier ability to BS the american public with the relevation that they are wiretapping US citizens without a court order.
That is one of the crimes that brought Nixon down and we will have to wait and see if it resonates here but given the increasing levels of protest from people who are usually seen as not wacked out both on the left and right there is hope.
Americans prize their liberty and privacy and do not like the idea of the government snooping around with no oversight by the courts
please give me hope that there are people in america who actually give a damn and are making efforts to change the political landscape .ive come out with the gloves off though im not so nieve as it would seem i know there are good people who really do care though you lot seem to be powerless against these neocons its a self profilling prophecy thats being played out here its sad that the lesson of sept 11 hasnt been learnt .what are you doing to impeach this bush {new hitler}?
January 17th, 2006 at 5:38 amImpeaching bush is not the only route to reining in his power, given the scandles that are surrounding his party in Washington, their is a good chance he will lose the rubberstamp that the US congress has become. That would make his foriegn design much harder to achieve, and the american public just doesn't trust him or the neocons he fronts for.
January 17th, 2006 at 6:19 amUnbeleiveable….I sure hope your gun can stop a cruise misile or tank. How about a smart bomb?
Comment by moonsha — January 17, 2006 @ 1:26 am
moonsha, I don't own a gun...
Apparently the smart bombs aren't - have you seen the hundreds of thousands of casualities from Iraq?
January 17th, 2006 at 7:31 amyou yanks are getting what you deserve ..anyone who votes for a moron like bush deserves to suffer..do you guys r ealise how hated you lot are for your bullying..you think your the greatest country?the biggest bunch of ego driven maniacs ..your gonna burn and the world is watching and clapping
Comment by stan — January 17, 2006 @ 3:34 am
Stan,
You do know that 60 million of us DIDN'T vote for Chimp, right? And how this is a forum for those people, right? And how, you should go find a conservative, Bush-worshipping blog where you can rant at people who disagree with you...
Your uniform commentary is about the same as me saying to you (except that I'd use better grammar and English in general):
"you limeys are getting what you deserve.. anyone who votes for a moron like blair deserves to suffer.. do you guys realise how hated you lot are for your cowtowing to the americans.. you think you're the smartest country? you're actually the biggest bunch of sniveling maniacs with bad teeth around ..your gonna burn and the world is watching and clapping."
Does this apply to you? Well, it's an opinion. And it's about as valid as yours. Try RedState.org
January 17th, 2006 at 7:39 amFrom the CIA World Factbook pages--
Iraq Population: 26,074,906 (July 2005 est.)
Iran Population: 68,017,860 (July 2005 est.)
We haven't the military resources to control Iraq.
What fool would imagine we could control Iran?
January 17th, 2006 at 9:53 amWhat fool would imagine we could control Iran?
Comment by Kinnison — January 17, 2006 @ 9:53 am
Only a blind one... (by definition - the Republican Party)
January 17th, 2006 at 10:04 amFrom the CIA World Factbook pages–
Iraq Population: 26,074,906 (July 2005 est.)
Iran Population: 68,017,860 (July 2005 est.)
We haven’t the military resources to control Iraq.
What fool would imagine we could control Iran?
Comment by Kinnison
What fool equates regime change or destroying their nuclear capability with controlling the country?
January 17th, 2006 at 10:50 amApparently the smart bombs aren’t - have you seen the hundreds of thousands of casualities from Iraq?
Comment by unbeliev
No, and neither has anyone else.
January 17th, 2006 at 10:50 am#357 And if you bomb Iran, what makes you think they will not invade Iraq to shot at USA troops, or simply begin to harbor insurgents from Afghanistan and Iraq, making an axis of resistance who USA troops can't resist? Your quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan would be tripled at least.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:12 am#358 Well, IRI has his part of the truth: Normal "Intelligent" bombs have the average CI of a neocon, so calling them "intelligent" isn't fair.
And IRI: see some casualties.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:17 amAfghanistan and Iraq, making an axis of resistance who USA troops can’t resist? Your quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan would be tripled at least.
Comment by Evil Spaniard
There is no "axis of anything" the US Military can not resist especially coming from the middle east. The "quagmire" you speak of has never existed except in the demented and treasonous minds of losers like John Murtha and Ted Kennedy.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:48 amMr. Bushy and gang are going to lose all support of the military and the American people. It's just a matter of time.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:22 pm..........and maybe some more lives.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:25 pm#361 Yeah, yeah, it's because this that Bush is "phasing out" the troops on Iraq. It's no retreat, he isn't doing what Murtha suggested, because Bush don't do retreats, and Iraq is fully pacified. Yeah, right. And choppers aren't being targeted (two down this week) because USA is winning the war. And Pakistan is fully commited to his alliance to the USA after the civilian bombing. Yeah, rigth. And all the troops deployed have adequate armor. Yeah, right. Maybe you believe in fairy tales, but I'm a grown up.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:23 pmI appolagise for coming across as angry and ruthless as i have ..its sad to see so many great people in america become so powerless.in fact im australian not british.when will america be humbled and realise that there are other great people in other great countries that have just as much right to live peacefully.you guys are the ones with the w.m.d .just mind your own business man.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:49 pmNo, and neither has anyone else.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 17, 2006 @ 10:50 am
Yes, the Iraqis have, and that's how we are hearing about it. Why don't you fly over there now and see for yourself.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:59 pmyou guys are the ones with the w.m.d .just mind your own business man.
Comment by stan — January 17, 2006 @ 1:49 pm
The problem is our military leaders and government. They want to rule the world. And they make it clear that they have big weapons to keep the American people oppressed from even considering a physical Revolution. See Waco, Texas, when the government used military force against civilians (against the Constitution) and then Timothy McVeigh, a decorated Army hero who believed the government had just declared war on We the People, retaliated by blowing up the Murrah Building from where the order was issued against the civilians in Waco - where more civilians were killed. McVeigh was later executed for this offense. And the violence just continues to escalate...
See how they keep us oppressed?
As Gandhi said "An eye for an eyes make the whole world blind."
January 17th, 2006 at 2:24 pmAs Gandhi said “An eye for an eyes make the whole world blind.â€
Comment by unbelievable
Gandhi also told the Jews just to die and teach Hitler a moral lesson. This is what happens when you drink your own piss.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:58 pmGandhi also told the Jews just to die and teach Hitler a moral lesson.
What? That's not exactly what he said, or meant. And you know it. I didn't say to take everything Gandhi had ever said and live your life by it to the letter - just that one piece of wisdom was worth acknowledging in this case. Stop with the absolutes already... it's puerile.
This is what happens when you drink your own piss.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 17, 2006 @ 2:58 pm
Then quit doing it.
January 17th, 2006 at 6:01 pmIRI can't because bthat is his version of recycling, but in his case he keeps trying to recycle the Kool-aid
January 18th, 2006 at 1:20 amstan is dead ..he no longer has an opinion and what you do good luck speak to you in 5000 years
January 18th, 2006 at 5:27 amMaybe when Hillary is president we will bomb iran??
February 3rd, 2006 at 4:31 amWhenever a war breaks out nobody is going to be in favor of it. Most Americans did not want to go to ww 2. Wars will happen and there is nothing you can do about it, especially if our country comes under atack.
i think plan of unclear in iran is peacefull anyway if some countries are worry they must worry about nuclear program in all country such as israel and egept and usor indea
February 4th, 2007 at 5:29 ami think it is not true us and UE have diffrent conduct with other countries