Martin Luther King Jr., Anti-War Activist
Martin Luther King Jr., Anti-War Activist
George W. Bush, 1/16/06:
Martin Luther King lived on that admonition to call our country to a higher calling, and today we celebrate the life of an American who called Americans to account when we didn’t live up to our ideals.
On Martin Luther King Day, it’s important to remember his whole legacy — not just the parts that are politically convenient. MLK Jr. was an anti-war activist. He spoke out against the right-wing using war as a pretext to grab power. He spoke out against Congress for lavishly funding a war while ignoring the nation’s poor.
From Martin Luther King Jr.’s November 1967 speech at the National Labor Leadership Assembly for Peace:
Now what are some of the domestic consequences of the war in Vietnam? It has made the Great Society a myth and replaced it with a troubled and confused society…It has given the extreme right, the anti-labor, anti-Negro, and anti-humanistic forces a weapon of spurious patriotism to galvanize its supporters into reaching for power, right up to the White House. It hopes to use national frustration to take control and restore the America of social insecurity and power for the privileged.
…It is disgraceful that a Congress that can vote upwards of $35 billion a year for a senseless immoral war in Vietnam cannot vote a weak $2 billion dollars to carry on our all too feeble efforts to bind up the wound of our nations 35 million poor. This is nothing short of a Congress engaging in political guerilla warfare against the defenseless poor of our nation.
When I first decided to take a firm stand against the war in Vietnam, I was subjected to the most bitter criticism, by the press, by individuals, and even by some fellow civil rights leaders. There were those who said that I should stay in my place, that these two issues did not mix and I should stick with civil rights. Well I had only one answer for that and it was simply the fact that I have struggled too long and too hard now to get rid of segregation in public accommodations to end up at this point in my life segregating my moral concerns.
These words are as relevant today as the day they were spoken. We shouldn’t segregate our celebration of MLK Jr. from his actual beliefs.
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and concerning the Vietnam War Dr. King said: “This Madness Must Cease.â€
“Somehow this madness must cease. We must stop now. I speak as a child of God and brother to the suffering poor of Vietnam. I speak for those whose land is being laid waste, whose homes are being destroyed, whose culture is being subverted. I speak for the poor of America who are paying the double price of smashed hopes at home and death and corruption in Vietnam. I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as an American to the leaders of my own nation. The great initiative in this war is ours. The initiative to stop it must be ours.â€
January 16th, 2006 at 4:46 pmWhere in God's name are the Martin Luther King voices of today, calling for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq? Even Murtha, laudable as it is that he is speaking out, is emphasizing redeployment not withdrawal. The Iraqis recognize that even if the troops are stationed over the horizon, as Murtha puts it, they can still be called back into Iraq at a moment's notice. As Murtha has stated, only 7 percent of the forces fight against the U.S. and the coalition troops are terrorists. If the occupying force leaves, then the resistance has nothing to resist against. 66 to 80 percent of Iraqis want the U.S. to leave their country, which does not mean above or beyond, over or under the horizon, it means OUT of the region and allow the Iraqis to finally, after almost three years of U.S. rule, to control their own destiny. Despite what the neocons may think, Iraq is not the 51st state of the United States.
January 16th, 2006 at 4:49 pmKing is celebrated for his civil rights work, not for his anti-war views.
Disingenuous spin, Judd.
January 16th, 2006 at 4:51 pmRemember that after the American left succeeded in undermining the Vietnam war, the pullout was followed by mass slaughter. The left has much blood on their hands, and they want to repeat the effort in the Middle East.
January 16th, 2006 at 4:53 pmGore: Bush does 'excessive power grab'
January 16th, 2006 at 4:57 pmActually, NoCensorship, Mr. King is remembered for his anti-war position. It is obvious that you were not around at the time nor did you take your historical studies seriously. That is unfortunate for you.
As far as keeping score as to who has the most blood on their hands the republicans or the democrats, your ignorance shines through in that all AMERICANs have the blood of these two catastrophic blunders, vietnam and iraq, on their hands. If it is beyond you to consider positions from the perspective of the USA and not just those of political parties, then you really need to step back and ask yourself whether you want to live in a democracy or a dictatorship.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:00 pm#3 and 4
No more blood on thier hands then the right for starting and continuing the war. 65,000+ U.S. troops died in Vietnam, and and unkown number of vietnamise.It is disingenuous to claim that the dead are the responsiblity of the left, since they had tried to end involvement in the mid 60's. The left did not undermine support for the war. The end of the war came with Nixon's near impeachment, a country sick of the draft, war dead, and not being sure why the U.S. was involved in the first place. Until you can frame a debate in a fact vs fact, instead of right wing spin vs left wing spin you are not going to get to far.
Martin Luther King is indead more noted for his civil rights work, but he as very anti-war and anti-violence. Try reading about the tactics used to achieve his goals of eliminating jim crowe laws and segregation in this country.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:05 pmI don't believe the post is in any way disingenuous. MLK took much heat for his anti-war views, and had the courage to stand and deliver speeches against veitnam. It looks to me, if you replaced veitnam with Iraq, the speech would sum up much of what many feel today about the Iraq war.
Does anyone believe that GWB has EVERY heard or read a speech by MLK?
January 16th, 2006 at 5:06 pmJudd deleted my posts becasue I disagree with his fabrications. What a weenie.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:07 pm"King is celebrated for his civil rights work, not for his anti-war views.
Disingenuous spin, Judd. NoCensorship"
He's remembered for both. And what he's remembered or celebrated for, doesn't change what he stood for. Surely you can grasp that simple concept?
When many among his peers wished to use violence as a means of obtaining equal rights, it was MLK who preached peace, and peaceful resistence. It was MLK that recognized that a war of ideas was more important than a war of guns. It was MLK that recognized that through peaceful resistence more could be accomplished, and greater results would result.
To deny this legacy to MLK is what's disengenuous but all too common among those who only value war, hatred, oppression and selfishness. I'm not surprised a republican wouldn't understand this.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:09 pmNoCensorship-
Your logic, such as it is, is bizarre. You seem to think that, for some reason, people should only pay attention to Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech and disregard his "Beyond Vietnam" speech, which pointed out the immorality of Vietnam and the imperial nature of the United States, which was aimed at a third-rate country, which the United States thought they could bomb back into the stone age. Iraq,like Vietnam,poses no threat to this country and yet the U.S. persists in attempting to force its will upon the Iraqis, despite the fact that 66 to 80 percent of Iraqis want the United States to stop occupying their country.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:10 pmRightPunchy -- He may be remembered for both, but his birthday is not celebrated for his wrong-headed anti-war views.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:10 pmErroll, Can't you read? I stated the fact that King's birthday is a holiday becasue of his civil rightts legacy, not his wrong-heaqded anti-war views.
I didn't ever say anyone should disregard anything.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:12 pmhear the speech and see the contrast with the war in iraq... my 15 year old daughter wrote an article about this speech and was so inspired on hearing it that she also created an animation of war images with MLK's voice- the passion and credibility of his voice gets me everytime...
-t-
http://www.peacetakescourage.com/standup.html
January 16th, 2006 at 5:13 pm#9,
Mr. Martin Luther King Jr. is a fabrication?
Dude (or dudette), you are out there. Just to bring you up to speed, though, hitler was defeated. Go ahead and renounce your nazi party membership and rejoin the world, it is a much better place. Perhaps you can even help us rid the world of the new hitler wannabe (aka george w bush) so that others won't share your fate of ignorance.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:13 pm"RightPunchy — He may be remembered for both, but his birthday is not celebrated for his wrong-headed anti-war views. N-0-Censorship"
These to items are inseparable, and why we celebrate King and not MalcolmX. If he'd been pro-war, things would have turned out much differently in the 1960s.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:14 pmThere's no 'spin' between civil rights and the opposition to war. Dr. King:
Since I am a preacher by trade, I suppose it is not surprising that I have seven major reasons for bringing Vietnam into the field of my moral vision. There is at the outset a very obvious and almost facile connection between the war in Vietnam and the struggle I, and others, have been waging in America. A few years ago there was a shining moment in that struggle. It seemed as if there was a real promise of hope for the poor -- both black and white -- through the poverty program. There were experiments, hopes, new beginnings. Then came the buildup in Vietnam and I watched the program broken and eviscerated as if it were some idle political plaything of a society gone mad on war, and I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic destructive suction tube. So I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:14 pmDon,
Not only is war an enemy to the poor, it is a mechanism or tool for industry and by extension the affluent.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:24 pmWhy the hell does Bush all of a sudden care about civil rights? I mean give me a fcking break. If he cared that much, he would have changed his lunch date with Prince Charles to dinner and went to Rosa Parks Memorial.
"Hello Prince Charles? I am sorry, because I need to put off our lunch for a few hours, one of the most important people of America's entire history just died.
Thanks for understanding. Goodbye"
It really is that easy.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:29 pmWell, I have a dream, too, and that's to throw about 45% of Washington into jail, Send the other 45% home to unemployment. Ban lobbyists from meeting with any Congressman, aide or interested party, privately one on one. Make such meetings open to the public, national TV would be nice. All lobbyist monies go into a pot, which all of Congress share. Same with election contributions. No longer allowing retired Congressional leaders to go to corporations or businesses that lobby Washington, for at least six years. No more voting raises for themselves, tie it to the deficit. Bigger deficit, less money for them. All Congressional members should have to spend 6-8 months living like their poorest constituents, or living with them. For the presidency, I'd demand an IQ test. Nough, said.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:30 pm"bush doesn't care about black people"
- Kayne West
In a debate about bush's record on race, Mr. West's credibility far outshines bush's rhetoric.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:32 pmN-O-Censorship you fail your moniker when you state as why MLK is celebrated, unless you can state that you have polled the vast majority of americans who celebrate MLK.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:34 pmI for one admire the man for telling truth to power on both fronts during his life.
He illuminated the inequaties in America in the 50-60's. Part of those inequaties involved a goverment that was prosecuting a war that upon investigation was both not justified or winable(as proven by the pentagon papers).
The think that you miss is that the power he was speaking to was mainly a democratic adminstrations ie. Kennedy and Johnson.
Remember he was assasinated while LBJ was still in power.
By ascribing your limited knowledge as to why the people of this nation as well as others arround the world hold MLK in esteem you attempt to "censor" our views, Just thought you might like to know.
Don, you are so very right. All you have to do is ask the simple question of who benefits from war? My brother didn't benefit from VietNam. Nor the boys, I went to school with, who never came home. War profits the establishment, and cleans out the poor population.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:34 pmKing is celebrated for his civil rights work, not for his anti-war views.
Disingenuous spin, Judd.
Comment by NoCensorship
It depends upon whom you talk to. Some celebrate his anti-war stand with evidence that Dr. King was shilling for the communists who without doubt had their dirty fingers in the civil rights pie.
What started out as a non-violent movement that had a majority of white America behind it degenerated into the burning race war that goes on today, all it would seem with King's blessing. At the very least he did not denounce the riots. Some would assume this was so as he had changed from his philosophy of self help for the American Negro, (something he learned from his father), to economic redistribution through legislation. (something he learned from the Soviets) in order to blackmail the government.
Just as Kings brilliant strategy to call for American's to become more American and more Christian was gaining traction around the country he allowed himself to be moved from his roots in fundamentalist Christianity and self reliance to the radical leveling of society through a manufactured and false materialistic equality rather than the equality of moral men under law and under God. In doing so the power he derived from our unique Christian American culture was lost to him when he moved in opposition to that culture.
This failure to communicate to Americans through Americanism is the same act of defiance and cupidity we see in today's Democratic Party. Today is the day America's losers celebrate the man who is arguably America's biggest loser.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:34 pmOptimist, your Nazi references are boring and unoriginal blather.
RightPunchy -- His civil rights legacy and his wrong-headed anti-war views are entirely separate issues.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:35 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek & NOC,
It is interesting that you scholars of history and civilization would this day choose to defame one of the greatest americans in our history. As is the case with you two numbskulls, your accusations are as baseless as they are outrageous.
It is curious to me what comforts you find in the world of hate and deception that you choose to live. If there is anything that I can do to bring you over into the light of the real world, let me know. However, I suspect your fate will be to continue to exist in your hatefull hell. For that I pity you.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:42 pmNoCensorship-
I suggest you read the comments of, among others, Optimist and Krazny, who articulated their positions on MLK quite well. I also think you undermined your invalid criticism of me when you claimed I couldn't read, by claiming MLK's position on the war is wrong by misspelling the word wrong-headed. An apt error, which seems to describe your misguided position regarding Dr. King and the war.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:45 pmCitizen80203,
Oh, I agree wholeheartedly that war is a racket for corporations. Click on my name and you'll see what I've devoted a good part of my time to for the past fifteen months.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:46 pmWrong again N-O-Censorship, because he held them and associated the seperate issues as one, take time to see how Dr King intigrated the views into one coherant message to the american people of the 60's, most of whom must have ended up agreeing with Rev. King because the we finally withdrew from our occupation in vietnam and enacted alot his ideas into the social fabric of this country as well as some of our laws.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:46 pmDeleted
January 16th, 2006 at 5:48 pmNancy L,
Ditto what I said to citizen.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:48 pm"RightPunchy — His civil rights legacy and his wrong-headed anti-war views are entirely separate issues. N-0 Censorship"
I see you didn't read my response - that's typical. What separated MLK from MalcolmX and the other activists was his insistence on an anti-war approach to civil rights.
Your comment is like saying Ghandi's pascifism and his creation of the Indian state are separate issues. They are part of the same person, process, and values that are separated - and they are linked as one defining set of values. They are wholly inseparable.
What's sad is how many 'wrong headed' republicans believe that his activism, peaceful or otherwise, was wrong headed. For instance your buddy I-RIGHT-I's posting is very indicative of how many republicans feel about MLK. Heck, most of the good 'southern republicans' still vote against democrats because of MLK and civil rights.
The values MLK promoted were pascifism, both in his civil rights struggle, and the country as a whole. Just because you do not celebrate those values yourself, don't let that negative and narrow perspective prevent you from realizing that those 'pascifist' values and their contribution are what we do celebrate.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:51 pmIRI,
You're so retro -- godless heathen bastards are much more common than they used to be, so it's not much of an epithet any more.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:52 pm"So save your pity for the poor black folk you godless heathen bastards have kept in chains for all these years. I-RIGHT-I"
Which chains would you be referring to, the ignorance of Christianity and poverty resulting from republicans preventing full funding of education social programs? Sounds like all of the chains are forged in republican values. Where's your 'christian love', you don't sound very christian to me. Unless you believe Christianity is a 'war' religion? Do you?
January 16th, 2006 at 5:53 pmAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
Interesting world in which you live. So, if I understand you correctly, Dr. King was actually working to further enslave "his people"? And the 60's movement was a farce? And the vietnam war was actually winable? And Nixon really wasn't a crook? And bush really did serve honorably in the vietnam war? And Iraq did have WMDs? And Saddam was flying one of the planes that hit the WTC?
I guess if you find some comfort in the "truth" that you believe, then maybe it does provide some benefit for you. However, most of us prefer reality and facts. You may want to try them one day.
January 16th, 2006 at 5:57 pmIf only Bush and co understood these words and of course all the loony republicans too . by changing foreign policy you can get rid of most evils.and start fresh a caring America ........ that would be nice ...thank you
January 16th, 2006 at 6:01 pmI-wrong-I your the one who is attempting to revise history with your brasen attemps to allocate motives to Dr. King, who you probably never met, talked to, or spent much time actually studing about, except from the wingnut media shrill machine .
January 16th, 2006 at 6:03 pmYour final statement about losers decry the an ideological bend.
I doubt that most christians would describe their fellow man as losers, because from what I get from the message of Jesus we were to have mercy and justice on those less fortunate that us.
Funny you decry MLK about your view of his christian failings but both MLK and Jesus spoke truth to power and suffered for it, and their messages have much more in common that yours does.
Thought some of you might enjoy this quote. I've always admired the courage it took for MLK to talk peace in light of the oppression, racism and hate he faced. Little glimmers of the hate and irrational values can be seen in the postings of I-RIGHT-I and similar Stone Aged trolls - but imagine an entire world populated by this level of ignorance and bigotry. The man was a saint!
January 16th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
Optimist - I giggle with the name you gave IRI. It takes a bit to type it in, but oh so worth it!
January 16th, 2006 at 6:07 pmRightPunch,
Appropriate quote of the day.
January 16th, 2006 at 6:09 pmLisa,
January 16th, 2006 at 6:11 pmWith all of the hate and lies that he/she/it spews, I cannot help but see them any other way.
Optimist, glad you like it. That was MLK's quote, I don't I was clear when I posted it. The man was such a brilliant force in that era, we truly lost a guiding light with his death.
January 16th, 2006 at 6:16 pmEnvironment in crisis: 'We are past the point of no return'
Thirty years ago, the scientist James Lovelock worked out that the Earth possessed a planetary-scale control system which kept the environment fit for life. He called it Gaia, and the theory has become widely accepted. Now, he believes mankind's abuse of the environment is making that mechanism work against us. His astonishing conclusion - that climate change is already insoluble, and life on Earth will never be the same again. SHIThttp://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article338878.ece
Bit off subject but hey this is bad news
January 16th, 2006 at 6:17 pmI agree, optimist. I think it was GTL that gave the definition of what IRI's name meant, and now with your rendition, it makes it so appropriate!
January 16th, 2006 at 6:18 pmWhat started out as a non-violent movement that had a majority of white America behind it degenerated into the burning race war that goes on today, all it would seem with King’s blessing.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I #24
I'mbecilic-R'acist-I'nbred,
Perhaps if you would ask someone to read a book to you on Dr. King's life, or even purchase a books on tape copy of any number of autobiographical works (written by white men) you could "learn" something. It's obvious you're such an ignorant, virulent, hateful racist that you would never entertain the thought that you could be mistaken about Dr. King, the civil rights movement and diversity in general. That hatred comes from a place of deep seeded insecurity, you feel inhuman, inferior and inadequate. Therefore, you need scapegoats- people different from yourself on whom you can project your inferiority complex. You are attempting to influence (and divide) the rational, thinking, humans in this society in a desperate attempt to hold on to your racistpast, and historical WASP male privilege. But, you realize that it's not working, your days (and that privilege/dominance) are numbered
I don't feel sorry for you though, because I believe you are an evil demon from deep within hell. You have few redeemable "human" qualities, and I'd just as soon see you (and your right wing, facist, psychotic, white supremacist, inbred ilk) returned to the pit from whence you crawled, ASAP...
In short I'gnorant-R'eprehensible-I'nbred, America and the world will be a FAR better place when your recessive gene pool (demonic DNA) are extinct...
January 16th, 2006 at 6:22 pmRightPunch,
I understood the quote to be from Dr. King, and it is a powerful one. One of the wonders of Dr. King's life is that although his flame was extinguished far too soon, he left behind so much wisdom and clarity to the vast benefit of this and future generations.
We are indeed fortunate and may we live up to the lofty expectations that Dr. King and other great americans have helped to create.
January 16th, 2006 at 6:26 pmnice remembrance there Mayor Nagin.
"It's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans _ the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans," the mayor said.
New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin called on black people to rebuild the city, which was more than 60 percent black before Katrina displaced about three-quarters of its population.
"This city will be a majority African-American city," Nagin told a crowd at City Hall. "It's the way God wants it to be. You can't have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn't be New Orleans."
January 16th, 2006 at 6:46 pmThe sheer DISRESPECT that BUSH has shown is remarkable as we celebrate the day of a man who has helped to define a culture in which equality is a standard and not a slogan. The fact that he attempts to acknowledge Dr. King and supporting Alito is a slap in the face of the black community and MILLIONS have seen his biggoted policies regarding the poor.
But for thos less educated like I-WRONG and NOC, the singular message os hate stems from their inability to express wisdom in a constructive manner. So I will use the words of Dr. King to illustrate my point:
THEIR MANTRA OF HATE IS ELOQUENTLY DESCRIBED IN THIS PASSAGE BY DR. KING:
Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false, and the false with the true.
THEIR LEVEL OF DISCOURSE IS ALSO EXPLAINED:
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and consciencious stupidity."
Yet they seem unwilling to understand that a TRUE person of intelligence can have dissenting opinions that relate to ALL individuals and not just the select few, as stated in this quote:
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly."
There is a difference between the voices of yesterday and the voices of today. In the past, the voices of the majority were listened to and adhered to as the greater directives for the community as a whole. The voices of dissent were not as prevalent, where as, now...
The voice of a single individual in support of a flawwed policy is greater than the millions in dissent. For Cindy Sheehan and others who are opposed to the war, they were discarded for a single parent photo-op of support for Bush's war...
The difference...Dr. King listened to his people and his moral conscience for life and love of his fellow man. Whereas, BUSH will kill thousands just to say he did not make a mistake...
January 16th, 2006 at 6:54 pmRightPunch, bigpapa and Optimist,
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
January 16th, 2006 at 6:56 pmPacifism is unjust and immoral.
January 16th, 2006 at 7:56 pmSpeaking of Activists, anyone hear Al Gore today?
January 16th, 2006 at 8:04 pmPacifism is unjust and immoral.
Comment by JuddHatesAmerica — January 16, 2006 @ 7:56 pm
First I am not a pacifist.
But I am curious. Do you consider yourself a Christian?
Are you part of the so called Christian Right?
Cause Christ not only was a pacifist, he advocated pacifism in most of his discourse.
January 16th, 2006 at 8:09 pmHow about all of those professional athletes who are black, make millions of dollars each year to have plush digs for themselves. Martin Luther King wouldn't have very kind words for them; I'd bet big money on that.
They're too busy voting Republican so they can benefit from the next tax cut.
They all probably voted for Reagan when he promised to cut taxes for the rich from fifty percent down to thirty-nine percent.
More hypocrisy in the Land of the Fee.
January 16th, 2006 at 8:13 pm"Cause Christ not only was a pacifist, he advocated pacifism in most of his discourse."
That's nonsense.
January 16th, 2006 at 8:17 pmRon,
I find it morbidly interesting, like watching a train wreck, that you mention "black" athletes but not "white" ones. When you claim hypocisy you only serve to illustrate your own.
Bigotry is a horrible train, I beg you to get off.
January 16th, 2006 at 8:18 pmWOREUS you are right but to illuminate a bit more MLK had studied Ghandi who used pacifism to overthrough one of the WW2 powers in India.. namely the British Empire, Gandi knew the british and used pacifism because he knew that the british didn't know how to counter, MLK understood that the same strategy would work here, but both admitted the main source for their pacifist views came from Jesus. But we know the modern christian right would rather throw hate speach at those they disagree with and donate to the talking heads of the christian right in order to keep the ball rolling.... but wait didn't jesus call those people in his times theives when he entered the temple.. which was the reason the leaders of the jewish right conspired with the romans to eliminate him
January 16th, 2006 at 8:20 pmok, professional white athletes, too. They are content to let white trailer trash live in squalor while they enjoy 28 foot ceilings in their New York penthouses. The arrogant bustareds never look back to where they came from.
even more hypocrisy. Exploit the masses even more. It's fun on Sunday afternoons.
January 16th, 2006 at 8:23 pmAnd Ron, how much did you give today? Or, how did you reach out to those in need today? Perhaps you should remove the log from your eye before worrying about the splinters in others. (Note: cannot take credit for that line, it comes from one with much more wisdom than I)
January 16th, 2006 at 8:27 pmRon, do you know the deifinition of non sequitur?
January 16th, 2006 at 8:39 pm"Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man."
Mohandas K. Gandhi on nonviolence
"Gandhi was inevitable. If humanity is to progress,
Gandhi is inescapable.
He lived, thought and acted,
inspired by the vision of humanity evolving toward
a world of peace and harmony.
We may ignore Gandhi at our own risk."
A Brief History of Mohandas K. Gandhi
January 16th, 2006 at 8:57 pmhttp://www.engagedpage.com/gan1.html
January 16th, 2006 at 8:59 pmhttp://www.engagedpage.com/gan1.html
January 16th, 2006 at 9:00 pm“Cause Christ not only was a pacifist, he advocated pacifism in most of his discourse.â€
That’s nonsense.
Comment by What — January 16, 2006 @ 8:17 pm
Oh really?
Well as someone who on his worst day, has likely forgotten more about the bible than you will ever know on your best day, why don't you share with us where in the good book Christ war.
And while you're at it, I suggest you stop off at the sermon on the mount, and read all the pacifist remarks by the guy whose name you probably call yourself after.
Schmuck.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:06 pmSorry,
Christ war = Christ advocates war or killing.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:07 pmMartin Luther King proved one thing, that if you are really a good and decent person, and you speak the truth, someones gonna kill you for it.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:09 pmHe was a great man, and they spilled his blood for it.
All the hateful little rightwinged rat bastards.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:10 pmJudd, Instead of using the Term"Antiwar: Try what the Conservaticks do: PROPEACE .
Conservative? Now theres a Definition That needs Scrutinizing.
PRO WAR PRO PEACE
January 16th, 2006 at 9:12 pmANTI PEACE ANTI WAR
Bobby Kennedy wiretapped MLK.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:19 pmWhat —Bush Wiretapped the ENTIRE NATION.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:23 pmMLK espoused colorblind equality under the law. Today, Republicans espouse colorblind equality under the law. Democrats then and now espouse race-based unequal treatment under the law.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:25 pm"Bobby Kennedy wiretapped MLK. What"
Yeah, with a court order and a judicial agreement. Unlike Bush and the rest of the republicans who don't like the Constitution or those that support it.
"MLK espoused colorblind equality under the law. Today, Republicans espouse colorblind equality under the law. Democrats then and now espouse race-based unequal treatment under the law. What"
That's a whole lot of hooey. Republicans didn't do squat for the blacks or the poor because they were too pre-occupied with their own interests. Most didn't care if blacks got treated fairly or not. Thank heavens for a few 'liberal' republicans who were willing to vote for civil rights - too bad they're all gone now and only the rightwing zealots are left in the party leadership.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:34 pm"Today, Republicans espouse colorblind equality under the law. What"
Translation: I'm sick of dealing with the legacy of slavery that makes white schools, jobs and neighborhoods wealthier, so I'll just pretend it never happen and so should you. That way I can have my 'unequal' advantange, not have to feel guilty for it.
You know, you're just as racist as I-RIGHT-I is, but ironically he's more direct. You really should find your better self and ask why you don't care about the legacy of poverty and oppression of slavery enough to help rectify this. If people like you hadn't been meddling with the social assistance and education system since Reagan, most of the poverty and inequity would be gone by now.
January 16th, 2006 at 9:37 pmI see the phrase wrong headed anti war views here wquite a bit. Too bad the writers of those words have failed to realise that history has shown that the war was worngheaded to begin with. We were battling a nationalist movement and we called it battling communisum. Regardless of what we called the enemy, there was no way the war was right. There are 50,000+ names on black granite in the north west corner of the mall who really deserved better.
January 16th, 2006 at 10:06 pmWhat this country needs is a MAXIMUM wage law, not a minimum wage law.
Too many haves are content to let the have nots become that way.
What I have given, pro bono, is a small fortune.
It is interesting that the four children of Martin Luther King are squabbling over MLK's center being in financial trouble, but two of them don't want to sell it to the government.
MLK Center
Where is the heart to give so they can pull the center out of debt? It doesn't seem to be there.
Yes, I know what non sequitur means. Do you know what ad hominem means?
January 16th, 2006 at 10:28 pmI sure do, and it's another non sequitur.
January 16th, 2006 at 11:55 pm10 Things Martin Luther King Would have Done about Iraq
by Juan Cole
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0116-22.htm
January 17th, 2006 at 12:04 amGood speech for Bush, especially where he talked about how MLK Jr would have supported the invasion of Iraq because he was too noble a man to lower the debate to the point of criticizing the president and thus lending aid to our enemies.
Sorry, I don't even listen to Bush's speeches anymore, I pretty much know his twelve word vocabulary by heart.
And yet, I too have a dream.
Happy MLK Day Everyone!
January 17th, 2006 at 12:07 amRev. King knew that war is wrong and that the money spent on our military/wars bankrupted our nation! The building of bombs and weapons have deprived our nation of its potential!
If NOT for "Military Industrial Complex" our nation would have universal health care for everyone! Poverty would be eradicated! Opportunity and jobs would be abundant!
Instead we have endless war and NO future!
January 17th, 2006 at 12:12 amCLICK BELOW TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
A FIST-FULL-O-TRUTH
January 17th, 2006 at 12:22 amFunny that you mentioned the "military industrial complex", is it the same one that President Dwight David Eisenhower (R)warned us about?
January 17th, 2006 at 12:25 amReply to post 80 > yes cliff President Eisenhower tried to warn us too!
January 17th, 2006 at 12:35 amI gave you a link Clif.
Follow this if you want to learn more about it.
CLICK ME CLIF
January 17th, 2006 at 12:53 amWorfeus I don't need the link, I've spend 13+ years in uniform, before the first gulf war, I am now 100% disabled, and read alot from many different sources. the Military industrial complex has been discussed for many years, one of my political science professors spent quite a bit of time on the implications of their impact on both domestic and foriegn policy. That was enlightening. The other was when I spent three years in Germany in the 70's while on active duty. Seeing another country first hand with out the american media filter was also educational.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:03 amClif,
I thought I would share some Eisenhower quotes. He was responsible for some very bad actions himself, including the overthrow of Iran's only liberal democracy in its history, but these are nonetheless marvelous quotes he left behind.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:25 am
Right punch I know of his attitudes about the military and the drain on society, he understood that they were necessary but didn't want them to dominate the culture in washington like they do now. Before WW2 there was basically no Military Industrial Complex hence the need for many major corporations to convert to war producation, ie, Ford made more "jeeps" tham jeep itself, but after the war seeing how PROFITABLE that suppling the pentagon could be many of the industries moved foward to keep the production rolling therefore the money. The fact that the USSR would furfill the role that Germany had worked to their benifit, and after the end of the cold war they hadn't been doing as well. But now with the seemingly endless war on terrorism and the amount of weapons and material used in Afganistan and Iraq well their bottom line has improved. The fact that the war's outcome can't actually be defined allows the powers that be can keep redefining the reasons for war and the mission to be acomplished until the victory is never actually achieved. Sorta like the endless war of George Orwell's novel 1984
January 17th, 2006 at 1:51 amClif
I was just offering you a link to a good movie about the topic you just asked about.
Sorry if that somehow offended you.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:20 amWorfeus, no offence taken but my question was retorical not a request for knowledge, I had a professor in a political science cource who had used the Military Industrial Complex as a good example of how certain groups push for their agenda in washington, the course was enlightening. If may reply came off a bit harsh I didn't mean it that way just direct the way I usually am.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:38 amNo worries.
Now go look at the movie, if you have not already.
This is a great movie.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:56 am#2
There hasn't been anyone near Martin Luthor King Jr.'s integrity and conviction, let alone leadership, since.
38 years, and not a one. The very sad thing is that no one seem's to notice enough to do anything but pay tribute to him once a year.
January 17th, 2006 at 7:47 amClif
I was just offering you a link to a good movie about the topic you just asked about.
Sorry if that somehow offended you.
Ohhh.... poor misunderstood worfeus. Just offering a good link, yes, I am just offering you some good advice, hope you are not offended: string up.
January 17th, 2006 at 7:50 amBobby Kennedy wiretapped MLK.
Comment by What #68
Whatapieceofdogsh*t,
There you go again... misleading
Cross-dressing, hypocritical, faux homophobic, racist Mrs. Clyde Tolefson AKA J.Edgar Hoover wiretapped MLK...
...you inbred pustule...
January 17th, 2006 at 8:52 amHe was a great man, and they spilled his blood for it.
All the hateful little rightwinged rat bastards.
Comment by WORFEUS #66
...probably from IRI's Klan...
January 17th, 2006 at 8:55 amIt is too bad that Martin Luther King's legacy is being used and abused. That is what is the non sequitur.
January 17th, 2006 at 9:23 amAss Cheek-RIGHT-Ass Cheek,
Comment by Optimist
The girls got a kick out of that but just shows to go you how easy that leftist pie really is.
Interesting world in which you live.
It's the same one you live in I just have the advantage of 20/20 insight, foresight, hindsight and eye sight, and probably a lot smarter than you as I'm able to condense vast quantities of information into a precise and coherent world view. You on the other hand have the view of a proctologist.
So, if I understand you correctly, Dr. King was actually working to further enslave “his people�
I didn't say that he was working to enslave his people but that is the necessary outcome of the materialistic and leveling theory of social equality that he began to preach. He gave up the Christian faith of his father and sold his soul to the left wing for short term gain losing in the process the American dream for black Americans.
A man becomes my equal because he's earned it not because some government thug made me poorer and stripped my rights and diminished my opportunities to put that man on a so-called level playing field. Black Americans are defensive because deep down they know it's not right and much of their gains were stolen, not earned.
And the 60’s movement was a farce?
The 60's were the single most destructive decade in American history outside reconstruction after the civil war.
And the vietnam war was actually winable?
We had already won the war prior to Tet and then allowed American communists and the communists sympathizers in media and government to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
And Nixon really wasn’t a crook?
Watergate was nothing.
And bush really did serve honorably in the vietnam war? And Iraq did have WMDs? And Saddam was flying one of the planes that hit the WTC?
I'd say yes to all of the above and you can not prove otherwise.
I guess if you find some comfort in the “truth†that you believe, then maybe it does provide some benefit for you. However, most of us prefer reality and facts. You may want to try them one day.
You've been intentionally trained to be stupid by the liberal education system. You are not interested in truth, only the destruction of our country through ill conceived social schemes .
January 17th, 2006 at 10:31 am#94 Laughable in a scary way
January 17th, 2006 at 11:44 am#94 Laughable in a scary way
Comment by Mark
Laugh it up then. It's the way 60+% of Americans feel about artificial social leveling and entitlements. The only thing scary about it is that eventually the free rider's will have to get off and push for the first time in two generations.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:51 amThe only thing scary about it is that eventually the free rider’s will have to get off and push for the first time in two generations.
Does that include George W Bush?
January 17th, 2006 at 12:19 pmDoes that include George W Bush?
Comment by cynical ex-hippie
Go get yourself a Harvard MBA, learn to fly a fighter and lead the free world and come back, then we'll talk. dumbass
January 17th, 2006 at 12:21 pm#98 I'll do that just as soon as my daddy gets me the right connections. Of course I've already served (Armor - Scout) and I was not born on third base as the president was. But I've got myself the MBA, And do you really think Bush is the leader of the free world? I think not as he is working towards creating an oppressive police state more than workign towards freedom.
BTW I have a question. If Ireland, or Israel thought there was a bomber living in the states and launched a secret bombing mission that levelled a building killing scores (possibly none of them being the guilty party, how would the american public take that? Just asking. I know that more than ever we are a "do as we say not as we do" type of country, but this notion of how we seem to act with impugnity around the world rarely if ever gets discussed. Is it OK to stoop to the level of those we fight? If that is the case then burn the constitution.
January 17th, 2006 at 12:37 pmTo IRI, NOcensorship and the rest of the trolls.
As someone who knows what it likes to be discriminated by political views and skin color, you have no idea or any concept what it's like to be either a minority struggling for respect in what is now becoming a fascist world.
It hurts me to think that you think you know more about civil rights than those for fought for and died to make a stand for their place in this country. As far as his stand
as an anti-war activist, he had a right to cover everything as well as labor unions. As a matter of fact, King was on his way to a meeting with a sanitation union in Memphis when he was killed. King's purpose was for a world where everyone stood on equal ground. A world where someone who came from Beverly Hills could stand and be friends with someone from Compton.
I was born less than a year after King's death, but I'm always reminded that regardless what people thought of him, he was brave enough to risk his life to bring to reality a unifed world. We have yet to fulfill the dream. Learn from him and fulfill that dream.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:42 pm#98 I’ll do that just as soon as my daddy gets me the right connections.
Comment by Mark
You don't need connections to fly or to excel academically all you need is desire and brains. You don't even need brains to become President as evidenced by the last two Democratic contenders for the job.
Of course I’ve already served (Armor - Scout)
Thank you for your service to our country.
and I was not born on third base as the president was.
Who's fault is that?
But I’ve got myself the MBA,
Really? It's a tough program, congratulations. How 'bout putting that well oiled critically thinking brain of yours to work then?
And do you really think Bush is the leader of the free world? I think not as he is working towards creating an oppressive police state more than workign towards freedom.
That's what I'm talk'n 'bout. You can do better.
BTW I have a question. If Ireland, or Israel thought there was a bomber living in the states and launched a secret bombing mission that levelled a building killing scores (possibly none of them being the guilty party, how would the american public take that?
Are you sure you mind has been exercised through the completion of an advanced business program? This is irrational as well as nonsensical. You're Fired!
Just asking. I know that more than ever we are a “do as we say not as we do†type of country, but this notion of how we seem to act with impugnity around the world rarely if ever gets discussed. Is it OK to stoop to the level of those we fight? If that is the case then burn the constitution.
This is high school shit Mark. Give me a call after graduation.
January 17th, 2006 at 1:50 pmTo IRI, NOcensorship and the rest of the trolls.
Comment by JIMBO
Present and accounted for sir.
As someone who knows what it likes to be discriminated by political views and skin color,
So then, that would make you a black conservative?
you have no idea or any concept what it’s like to be either a minority struggling for respect in what is now becoming a fascist world.
It's always been a hard cruel world. Thank whatever god you pray to that you're in the USA where it's better to be a minority than among your own kind in whatever third world shit hole you or your anscestors hail from, especially if you are black.
It hurts me to think that you think you know more about civil rights than those for fought for and died to make a stand for their place in this country.
Do you mean the rioters we shot down like the dogs they were? Or, are you talking about the men who fought for OUR COUNTRY and not their own personal agenda?
As far as his stand
as an anti-war activist, he had a right to cover everything as well as labor unions. As a matter of fact, King was on his way to a meeting with a sanitation union in Memphis when he was killed. King’s purpose was for a world where everyone stood on equal ground. A world where someone who came from Beverly Hills could stand and be friends with someone from Compton.
As I've stated, in my opinion King let his people down. As far as meeting with labor unions, BFD. Every commie in the USA was talking to the unions. As far as standing on equal ground, I've covered that. If you want to stand where I stand then do what I did and earn it don't bitch about Uncle Sugar not doing enough to make you equal. Equality comes from mutual respect. You do not have the right to demand my personal respect. You do have the right to earn it.
I was born less than a year after King’s death, but I’m always reminded that regardless what people thought of him, he was brave enough to risk his life to bring to reality a unifed world. We have yet to fulfill the dream. Learn from him and fulfill that dream.
I have learned from King. I learned that a fundamentalist Baptist preacher can be just as human and just as wrong headed as anyone else even though he should know better. There will never be a unified world. There is no such thing as all men being equal unless all men are made equally low. Regardless of what Tom Jefferson might tell you God did not create all men equal. Just a walk around the mall will tell you as much.
We all have to serve somebody. Be careful whom it is you choose.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:07 pmNice try IRI, since you cant refute, insult. And if all else fails you do know what to do right? Blame Clinton of course.
You know I had several paragraphs here to refute you, but it's not worth it. You are who you are and no amount of common sense and logic will change you.
Nice to see that you believe in social darwinism though. It seems to be the only theory of natural selection that the kool aid drinking loony right believes in. And of course it is entirely in line with their new definition of the religeon they have hijacked. Because we all know that jesus said screw the poor.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:34 pmI-RACIST-I said
that you’re in the USA where it’s better to be a minority than among your own kind in whatever third world shit hole you or your anscestors hail from, especially if you are black.
Your an babbling idiot.
And worse, your a racist, lowbrow inbred NAZI pig.
So was likely your mother, your father and the filthy little vermin offspring you've likely crapped onto our planet.
Your days coming boy, your days coming.
January 17th, 2006 at 2:40 pmAs someone who knows what it likes to be discriminated by political views and skin color, you have no idea or any concept what it’s like to be either a minority struggling for respect in what is now becoming a fascist world.
Comment by JIMBO — January 17, 2006 @ 1:42 pm
JIMBO, then you should be happy to know that IRI's kind is becoming extinct... WASP males are the most declinging of all demographics (because their lily white genes are recessive)... So, at some point, IRI will become the minority. Maybe not in his lifetime, but certainly in the near future. And this current period in our history will then become known as 'The Planet of the Apes".
January 17th, 2006 at 2:48 pmGore/Obama in 2008 > that would please Dr. King if he was still alive and not assassinated by right wing hatemongers!
January 17th, 2006 at 3:04 pmSome time near the middle of this century if not sooner because of all the newly admitted southern brothers, IrI, nocensorship,et all will slip int minority status acording to projected census. That will not make their views any more enlightening just harder to hear because there will be that many more deverse viewpoints to consider
January 17th, 2006 at 3:08 pmAmerica’s biggest loser...I-RIGHT-I.
Thanks. That was easy.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:25 pmNice try IRI, since you cant refute, insult.
comment by Mark
"Yes, I did call you a whore, but you'll notice I did not call you a low born gutter slut."
Judge Roy Bean (Paul Newman)
January 17th, 2006 at 3:27 pmI-RACIST-I said
that you’re in the USA where it’s better to be a minority than among your own kind in whatever third world shit hole you or your anscestors hail from, especially if you are black.
Your an babbling idiot.
And worse, your a racist, lowbrow inbred NAZI pig.
So was likely your mother, your father and the filthy little vermin offspring you’ve likely crapped onto our planet.
Your days coming boy, your days coming.
Comment by WORFEUS
Oh ouch, that hurts Worf. Being shipped off to America was the best thing that ever happened to those people. (those souls who survived the trip that is) Black folk in America are the richest, best educated and luckiest black folk on Earth, and they didn't do a damn thing to earn it themselves. Like me they were born here.
God always saves a remnant and it's my belief that he saved the best basketball and football players and sent them to America where they make millions of dollars and have the opportunity to screw lots of white women with low self esteem. Tell me I'm wrong.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:36 pmMLK was definitely against affirmative action, as well:
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
MLK was also not afraid to mention God:
"I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made straight and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together."
Quotes like the above one uttered today would have earned him nicknames like "fundie", "religious wacko", etc.
January 17th, 2006 at 3:54 pmJudge Roy Bean (Paul Newman)
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 17, 2006 @ 3:27 pm
You're quoting a guy who makes organic cookies???
January 17th, 2006 at 5:21 pmOh ouch, that hurts Worf. Being shipped off to America was the best thing that ever happened to those people. (those souls who survived the trip that is) Black folk in America are the richest, best educated and luckiest black folk on Earth, and they didn’t do a damn thing to earn it themselves. Like me they were born here.
God always saves a remnant and it’s my belief that he saved the best basketball and football players and sent them to America where they make millions of dollars and have the opportunity to screw lots of white women with low self esteem. Tell me I’m wrong.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 17, 2006 @ 3:36 pm
You're wrong.
Most blacks are not NBA players... so your exception does not define 'better off'. And if there were some invisible deity in charge of that inequity, it wouldn't be worthy of your time much less your suffering and blind faith.
To you, being American is better off. But it isn't to everyone. You need to realize that not everyone wants your life. Record numbers of people are expatriating from this country, but we don't hear much about it because the government is in denial and won't keep count...
Studies have shown that tribal peoples had better and healthier lifes than their Industrial counterparts who were abusing them as slaves. If you think that is better off, then by all means, sell yourself to some wealthy Saufi Arabian and find out.
January 17th, 2006 at 5:28 pmAnother thing, IRI, all you offer is speculation, conjecture and supposition. For once, just once, I'd like to hear you offer your own personal experiences. Or do you not have any from hiding from the world that you fear so much?
January 17th, 2006 at 5:29 pmIri your views on the winnability in vietnam flyies in the face of the actual military evidance that I studies as a military officer. Even though the military did not lose the individual battles they fought the basic facts were that we didn't have near enough troops in theater to fully control SVN let alone stop the infiltration from the north thru tailand and cambodia. When we captured land from the viet cong or NVA we had to move off it in order to fight elsewhere. The tet offensive brought to light the facts that were not known in washington until then, before the tet offersive the pentagon even westmorland if you believe him felt that the main power of the cong were broke and we were begining the process of moping up, after tet everyone knew that the viet cong and NVA weren't on their last legs but as robust as anybody had ever seen. In the end the US won every tactical battle arround tet, we took back everything the cong captured but Giap had his stragic victory because he raised the stakes to a level that Johnson and Nixon could not meet, The 500,000 extra troops that westmorland called for could be easily matched and if we raised again the chinese would come to their aid for personnel and the soviets could supplyt that many soldiers for battle. If that happened we would have committed the majority of our military to Vietnam and would have to gut the reforger forces that were slated to reinforce the european theater in case of soviet attack. No responsible leader of this country could risk that in order to supply westmorland with all the troops he needed. Because of this stragically vietnam was not winnable unless we were willing to take a large gamble in europe, less that 6 years after the rise of the berlin wall. Maintaining the Nato alliance was much more important stratagically that overpowering the vietcong. This led to Nixon's policy of giving the fighting responsibility to the south vietnamese army and after watergate Ford did not have the political clout to put troops back after the pardon of Nixon.
January 17th, 2006 at 6:21 pmAnother thing, IRI, all you offer is speculation, conjecture and supposition. For once, just once, I’d like to hear you offer your own personal experiences. Or do you not have any from hiding from the world that you fear so much?
Comment by unbelievable
What experiences would you like to hear about? I get around quite a bit you know.
January 18th, 2006 at 10:01 amYou’re quoting a guy who makes organic cookies???
Comment by unbelievable
Judge Roy Bean didn't make no oraganic anything. (at least not in the movie)
My favorite part of the movie was the Judge shooting Bad Bob in the back. Some thought it wasn't sporting but the judge and I know that Criminal Radical scum don't deserve a chance. I think Sam Alito will do Judge Bean proud.....
Here's the lines:
You done it, Judge. You killed Bad Bob.
You call that sporting?
lt weren't a real standup fight.
Standup? l laid down to steady my aim.
l mean, he never had a chance.
Not at all. Never did, never would have.
l didn't ask him to come here.
l don't abide giving killers a chance.
He wants a chance,
let him go someplace else.
Shame to end so glorious a career
in such a manner.
Says in the Bible, Bobbo...
Psalm .
''The righteous are going to rejoice
and triumph over the wicked...
''whose teeth are blunted like lions...
''and they get carried away
by whirlwinds and such...
''while God judges on this earth
January 18th, 2006 at 11:39 amthrough me.''
What experiences would you like to hear about? I get around quite a bit you know.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 18, 2006 @ 10:01 am
I'm saying, you always have this machismo, hard-ass facade that insults, objectifies and degrades human behavior. It's like you want to crucify anyone and everyone just because they don't make sense to you. And yet you aren't willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt unless they are just like you. Personally, I don't know how you have the time or the energy to judge everyone like that... But, aren't you human too? Don't you have regrets and make mistakes? And don't you have some experiences in life that are positive with others who aren't exactly like you? Those kinds of experiences are what I'm talking about.
I'm not delusional. I know there are crazy people out there. I have a few in my classes. But it doesn't mean you should condemn everyone else for simply being human.
I still maintain that you're not a bad guy. But you play one a little too well...
January 18th, 2006 at 12:41 pm‘’while God judges on this earth
through me.'’
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 18, 2006 @ 11:39 am
And what if you're wrong?
January 18th, 2006 at 12:42 pmHe comes here to throw hes insults so he can get some kind of attention. When he tried insulting the guy in the mirror, for some reason not quite understood by IRI the guy just stared back.
January 18th, 2006 at 12:46 pmClif,
So it seems...
January 18th, 2006 at 1:13 pm’while God judges on this earth
through me.’’
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 18, 2006 @ 11:39 am
And what if you’re wrong?
Comment by unbelievable
Not likely. The judge and I have the same agent.
January 18th, 2006 at 2:30 pmTo bad the agent didnt get you a better deal, this gig must be below your potential or are you doing this when there are no flies around to pull the wings off of.
January 18th, 2006 at 2:34 pmTo bad the agent didnt get you a better deal, this gig must be below your potential or are you doing this when there are no flies around to pull the wings off of.
Comment by Clif
Whadaya talk'n about? There's barking moonbats a plenty around here. That's as good as a fly any day.
January 18th, 2006 at 2:41 pmBad news IRI the chinese hold almost one trillion in US dollars in their foriegn exchange reserves, and since they're getting a little nervous about holding so much money in one currency they probably are going to start converting part of the reserves into another currency, which will cause the value of the dollar to fall which will make the prices of walmart good cost more to buy from china where do you think china got all those dollars from in the first place, bottom line for you is , Its gonna cost you more next time you go shopping in Wallyworld.
January 18th, 2006 at 3:01 pmBut I haven't seen you SUCESSFULLY do any damage to anybody here, stick to flies at least it looks like you are their mental match.
January 18th, 2006 at 3:04 pmBut on second thought they get away most of the time, your not as good as you think( there you go again using the diabled part of you body) you are, just lucky once in a while
January 18th, 2006 at 3:10 pmIts gonna cost you more next time you go shopping in Wallyworld.
Comment by Clif
I don't buy anything produced by Ratbastardcommiemofo Red Chinese slave labor. (If I know) The only shopping I do at Wally's is from Sam's and that is the extra large breaded butterfly shrimp they get from God knows where.
As far as our currency goes, we have something better to hold their feet to the fire. We have you and your insatiable lust for cheap anything. Besides, they could dump a trillion into the Euro and it wouldn't phase us at all. It's a drop in the bucket. But why would they want to invest in a kaput European Union? And when was the last time you heard the word superpower and European Union used in the same sentence? HA!
January 18th, 2006 at 3:19 pmIs that why certain oil producing countries are talking about converting their pricing from dollars to euro's, and BTW I never said the currency would be euro's, but china would like some to buy the oil it needs to keep Wallyworld and Sams social club stocked
January 18th, 2006 at 3:29 pmIs that why certain oil producing countries are talking about converting their pricing from dollars to euro’s, and BTW I never said the currency would be euro’s, but china would like some to buy the oil it needs to keep Wallyworld and Sams social club stocked
Comment by Clif
The Islamists would like us to know they are displeased with our intervention into their affairs, thus the threats. But they know that we are the only game in town.
January 18th, 2006 at 4:06 pmNot likely. The judge and I have the same agent.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 18, 2006 @ 2:30 pm
You should fire your agent. He's lying to you.
But, what if you are wrong?
I have considered what if I am. Just wonder if you have.
January 18th, 2006 at 4:15 pmThe Islamists would like us to know they are displeased with our intervention into their affairs, thus the threats. But they know that we are the only game in town.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 18, 2006 @ 4:06 pm
Say that again after Iran converts to Euros... If you don't get that what goes up much come down by now, you're going to be in for a rude awakening when it does.
I was in St. Petersburg (Russia) just at the time that the ruble fell from roughly 1:1 with the dollar to 1:33. People were becoming homeless faster than they could cash their worthless paychecks. Rows and rows of people living on the streets wearing everything they could put on and sleeping on layers of cardboard. I'd never seen anything like it. And, as you should recall from history, the Russian Empire was once quite strong, mighty and seemingly invincible. If you don't think the same could happen to us if we don't start weening ourselves from foreign money, then you are even more delusional than I previously figured.
Even your playbook says so:
Deuteronomy 15:6
...you will lend to many nations, and borrow from none;
So which is it - is the Bible wrong or the Bush Regime for borrowing money from China? Hmmm?
January 18th, 2006 at 4:25 pm"much" should be "must"
January 18th, 2006 at 4:26 pmEven your playbook says so:
Deuteronomy 15:6
…you will lend to many nations, and borrow from none;
So which is it - is the Bible wrong or the Bush Regime for borrowing money from China? Hmmm?
Comment by unbelieval
So you think this country should be a Jewish theocracy?
January 18th, 2006 at 5:01 pmIRI far from being the only game in town we are living in a slowly decaying section while our neighbors China, Indin, Brazil, are renovating their neighborhoods and therefore soon he moneyed interests will find more than one player to back. Otherwise why does Jim Cramer keep telling people to put their money in offshore investments for a better rate of return.
January 18th, 2006 at 5:12 pmOtherwise why does Jim Cramer keep telling people to put their money in offshore investments for a better rate of return.
Comment by Clif
Because there's money in snakeoil?
January 18th, 2006 at 5:27 pmKeep thinking that but someday your gonna have to drive your foriegn car to work for the foriegn own company.
January 18th, 2006 at 5:42 pmSo you think this country should be a Jewish theocracy?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 18, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
That's not an answer...
The choices were:
Option A Is the Bible right and Bushco wrong?
Option B Is the Bible wrong and Bushco right?
You know I think we should be a self-supportive secular democracy. Not a codependent theocratic empire (per current behavior).
January 18th, 2006 at 6:07 pmBecause there’s money in snakeoil?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 18, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
You'd better hope not or you'll end up finding out what torture it is to be milked 5 times a day (like a dairy cow in this country).
January 18th, 2006 at 6:09 pmUnbelievable don't use such big words, it makes the flies angry and they start buzzing in his head again.
January 18th, 2006 at 6:12 pmClif,
You're right - but it's hard... I teach high school Science and even they can handle my vocabulary :).
January 18th, 2006 at 6:51 pmThere is your problem in trying to understand IRI, your teaching level, next time get a first grade primer, and keep the words on about that level. Remember "his agent" instructed us to have pity on those less fortunate, and he is still struggling to outwit the flies.
January 18th, 2006 at 7:12 pmWon't happen, I don't think, as the flies' brains are evolving more quickly than his thoughts...
January 18th, 2006 at 10:10 pmtouche'
January 19th, 2006 at 8:26 amSo you think this country should be a Jewish theocracy?
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — January 18, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
That’s not an answer…
Comment by unbelievable
Of course it is. You took a verse out of the Old Testament and misapplied it. Imagine that?
The choices were:
Option A Is the Bible right and Bushco wrong?
Option B Is the Bible wrong and Bushco right?
I'll take what's behind door number 3 Monte. The Bible is right when understood by a Child of God. Bush is right when understood in the context of a global economy. I'm not an economist (hated the subject) and neither are you but I do know that a trade deficit isn't as bad as it's cracked up to be. However, I'm willing to entertain the notion that America would be better off if we nuked Red China and bought our cheesy worthless crap from a country that didn't use slave labor and took our money and technology to build a machine to kill us with.
You know I think we should be a self-supportive secular democracy. Not a codependent theocratic empire (per current behavior).
We are a self supportive secular democracy. The fact that George Bush and the majority of the citizens of this country are Christians (or some form of Christian) doesn't change that. What you're saying is that you'd like us to just pull it all in, put up the trade barriers and forget that this little island of comparative peace and freedom isn't all alone and that we have global responsibilities.
There are lions out there that need to be caged.
January 20th, 2006 at 9:29 amChrist Said behold I come quickly and my reward is with me to give unto every man his work.BE blessed boo. martin luther king was a great man. We need more of these kind of leaders.
April 25th, 2006 at 1:33 pm